Julia Hartley Brewer clashes with the RMT's Eddie Dempsey

Train services are disrupted across Britain as thousands of railway workers stage their second strike of the week.
Members of the Rail, Maritime and Transport (RMT) union at Network Rail and 13 train operators walked out after talks failed to resolve a bitter row over pay, jobs and conditions.
Just one in five trains are running on Thursday and these are mostly restricted to main lines, with around half of the network closed.
Services started later than normal at 7.30am and will shut down early at 6.30pm.
The Government announced plans to change the law to enable businesses to supply skilled agency workers to plug staffing gaps during industrial action.
Ministers pointed out that, under current trade union laws, employment businesses are restricted from supplying temporary agency workers to cover for strikers, saying it can have a “disproportionate impact”.
The Government said the legislation will repeal the “burdensome” legal restrictions, giving companies affected by strike action the freedom to tap into the services of employment businesses which can provide skilled, temporary agency staff at short notice.
Network Rail welcomed the move but Labour and unions condemned it as a “recipe for disaster”.
#talktv #talkradio #juliahartleybrewer

[@talktv]

How much sympathy do you have with the rail unions?

[@andrewwhite3467]

Zero

[@TG-ts3xn]

Zero. Bring on driverless trains with a zero-hour bouncer on board.

[@mrbubbles8743]

Zero. They are paid an insane wage as is.

[@ycymrobach9012]

0

[@jeffelliott6390]

100%

[@kb9072]

Not one CEO has been on TV to explain why profits are up 73% while telling their workers they must have another pay cut.

[@oneoflokis]

Exactly!!

[@andyb4864]

Train companies paid out nearly £800m to shareholders last year before telling rail unions that employees must take a real-terms pay cut for them to stay afloat. Says it all!

[@pam14321]

Exactly! 👍🏻

[@mrdubplate9601]

Correct.

[@reasonerenlightened2456]

it is everywhere like that. we need new laws, not unions.

[@Jeff-tr2vp]

@@reasonerenlightened2456 laws get bent, just depends how rich you are. That's why we need unions and collective bargaining

[@fatwalletboy2]

Yes lies just so they can carry on milking their emoyees......no money in the pot they are told.....need to improve productivity they are told......yet......they still get plenty of cash left around for bonuses and huge dividends......how is that possible....they cpuldnt possibly be lying surely???

[@trevaudio]

Love them or hate them….Dempsey and lynch are handling the media brilliantly and running rings around every mp they come up against….and schapps is terrified of them !

[@talktv]

Mick Lynch has got a lot of support after his appearances :)

[@MrTeaTwoSugars]

@@talktv Straight talking working class blokes, don't get enough of it on tv or radio

[@sandormccann2546]

And so he effing should be, the useless, lying toerag.

[@jacquelinebailey3637]

Julie needs to stop talking so much and let her guests answer Her questions.

[@davidpryle3935]

Yeah, and the fact that they and their Trade Union are Brexit supporters seems to have completely “thrown” the middle class liberal left.

[@steveaustin1011]

The more i hear these fellas the more I agree with them.

[@01parmy]

if you were looking for the worst way to run a rail system , you dont have to look much further than the UK , losses socialized , profits privatised

[@nicheman3612]

The RMT has always consistently advocated for nationalized ownership.

[@tinasheroy]

Brilliant comment

[@helicoptergunship]

Nice Chomsky reference

[@garrymcfadden4105]

We are being robbed by the rich, the corporations and the politicians who work for them. I support all workers

[@lordflashheart8153]

It's a shame not all workers support each other, seems there's a "I'm alright jack" attitude with some people. It would be great if we all had a general strike, obviously emergency workers exempt, one would hope.

[@margaret3606]

I support the workers and RMT

[@garrymcfadden4105]

@@lordflashheart8153 yes. Good sentiments. It could be what is required. We are being led back into feudal serfdom

[@garrymcfadden4105]

@@margaret3606 love to you xxx

[@MrRailjunkie]

It's call disaster capitalism & It's fully supported by Julia & Talk T.V in general. Remember Talk T.V is owned by Rupert Murdoch who is opposed to equality & workers rights e.t.c

[@aaronnolan1653]

She hardly clashes with him. Rather, he is a charming individual who puts his case forward very astutely

[@mattexe27]

Tell me you vote labour without telling me you vote labour. Idiot.

[@DaveTheTrain]

@@petersmith2522 who does? The RMT contains everyone from cleaners , platform staff to signallers. They don't negotiate for drivers that's a different Union

[@DaveTheTrain]

@@petersmith2522 they're wrong unless they meant drivers which aren't in the RMT and then that means they purposely lied to create division .

[@hudson7354]

Looking after his members as a good union man should. Well done to the young man. The Daily mail and BBC hate it when the workers fight back at last

[@kevinkevin-ug9po]

Peter Utter Rubbish, who makes £60,000? Stop reading the daily fail

[@scottmcmahon86]

The Tories tell workers they need to "be realistic" in pay demands, but I don't see them telling landlords, oil companies or the energy firms to "be realistic".

[@oneoflokis]

Nope!!

[@RBTVN]

Up the RMT, up Eddie, up the Workers! Working Britain, take note!

[@donny4855]

Top class work from the RMT, Mick & Eddie! Up the workers ✊🏾 ✊🏼✊🏻🔥

[@fenbops]

MP’s got a pay rise no problem when they’re one of the most undeserving. That’s all I’m gonna say.

[@andrewmayo608]

Totally agree no mention of their pay rises forces up inflation was there. About time we moved politicians to Performance Related Pay. Set them firm measurable performance goals/indicators/measures and this should dictate what pay they get.

[@ogcpw4746]

If we paid them more then maybe they'd work for us and not the banks.

[@garrymcfadden4105]

Yes

[@sircxx8621]

They should all be in Prison

[@joycegibbs5267]

some MP's do, ie: Sir Desmond Swain, but the majority of the ones we know of don't.

[@johnrobertbainbridge7667]

MPs have no problem getting pay rises? Good pay rises

[@hetrodoxly1203]

A demand for pay rises will cause hyper inflation as it did in the 1970s, and bring the country to it's knees, it's not as if they're not on bad money.

[@martynblackburn9632]

Render unto Caesar.

[@tonycarter8884]

They get £3000 pay rises every so often When the treasury has to much taxpayers money

[@Twmpa]

Since privatisation, the UK has one of the worst run rail systems in the world which is essentially a cash cow for the directors and shareholders of the private companies involved. Ticket prices for the public are extortionate whilst the government also has to pile vast amounts of subsidy money into the industry as well.

[@audreymcgready4329]

Anyone saying they don't support the workers. I hope you remember that when it comes to your profession and wages. We are not the slaves of the rich. 100% support.

[@paulslater9061]

You can't beat them jullia They're too smart for you

[@earlcollins9310]

He answered her questions brilliantly,, never once got animated cool calm and collected,, he will be the top man one day .

[@johnholmes8178]

Julia Hartley-Brewer suddenly worried about people travelling to Glastonbury. Yeah, right 😆

[@0ccam5Raz0r]

Prices won't come down regardless of what people are paid do I say fight for the best deal you can get. This "hold the line" rubbish is about other people's interests, mostly big business and government. Don't let them think you shouldn't keep up with cost of living whilst the divide between rich and poor grows.

[@rageagainstmyhatchet]

Honestly - if Strikes do NOT cause disruption then they're pointless. They're meant to cause disruption. From the 19th century onwards that was the point. We won't work until you pay us more. The problem is that our main remaining unions are all public services. When the workers of a factory went on strike, the factory owners lost money; the bosses were harmed. When teachers or nurses go on strike, no one with the authority to pay them are harmed; only the public. THAT is why the public no longer support strikes as a concept.

[@andrewelliott4436]

And THAT is why strikes harm ordinary people. Thank you for explaining it to us.

[@karenyoung8341]

Spot on. The rest of us who don’t provide a public service don’t get a pay rise. We’re already footing the bill for immigrants, Ukraine and empty aeroplanes not going to Rwanda, and now the airlines are threatening action, beggars belief, and the public being held to ransom

[@trytellingthetruth.2068]

It's so much easier to go on strike when the people that pay your wages number in the millions.

[@foppo100]

What are you on about striking raiway workers are the public.The problem with you is THAT you are brainwashed in your way of thinking.

[@klebyell]

This overlooks the issue though. Putting the blame on the unions for causing the harm is too shortsighted. These public workers are very much the ordinary people. They feel the brunt of their own strikes too. The government grandstanding against these average people are what's harming them. People knew who their friends were last century these days the government have managed to make poor people think other poor people are the enemy

[@MrTeaTwoSugars]

He's right, public footing the bill for in work benefits because companies making record profits won't pay a decent wage

[@davepike7546]

@@petersmith2522 That's specialist drivers, they aren't part of this dispute, it's a red herring.

[@Gibbo1]

I know of some people who love in work benefits. They deliberately work less hours so their money gets topped up by the tax payer

[@stuartscriven2567]

I actually agree with him for to long the worker has been dumped on

[@trytellingthetruth.2068]

Well, at least since 2019, when the RMT workforce received their last inflation busting pay rise.

[@DavidJames-rz9lt]

Can i just show respect to Julia Hartley Brewer for having a fair, educated and friendly conversation with Eddie Dempsey. There are too many presenters, journalist who are full of hate and do not offer an unbiased debate. Piers Morgan and Dan Wootton come to mind.

[@markwinter54]

You can't really call Morgan and Wootton journalist's I'm afraid, they are just hacks ......

[@mike-xt7qi]

She must have been having a bad day!

[@harrier5154]

He made some valid points and see let the man speak, very refreshing

[@kuzsolanki4028]

you musn't know her. Her whole premise is being a hateful dusty old scumbag who gaslights any progressive issue going. Let's not forget she also propped up Boris and Brexit, testament to how much of an imbecile she is.

[@michaeladgo]

She’s useless, how much does she earn?

[@juenothing5432]

The department of Transport should have responsibility for the negotiations. If they can pay dividends of millions of pounds, then it is unfair to cut jobs, cut safety, cut drivers, work in keeping our railways safe.

[@kayleighdhillon1385]

Costs go up because they don't want their profit to come down....it has nothing to do with fair wages

[@michaelogrady1002]

The guy she should be griling is the CEO of Rail Network who earns £585,000 per year .A Maintainance worker earns £35,000 per year who Eddie Dempsey represents

[@pablocortando1]

What about the Billions we the tax payer payed them?

[@trytellingthetruth.2068]

Envy is a terrible thing.

[@therealrobertbirchall]

@@trytellingthetruth.2068 and poverty is a national disgrace

[@garrymcfadden4105]

Yes. Well said

[@garrymcfadden4105]

@@trytellingthetruth.2068 stealing from workers is a terrible things

[@whatsreallyhappening5669]

Workers fighting for their rights and a decent wage. The only people that could be gains that are rich people or dumb people.

[@mattexe27]

Aka greedy self interested scum using bullying tactics to try to demand yet more money at the expense of workers who pay tax. ‘ could be gains that’ that sentence attempt puts you firmly in the ‘dumb people’ camp. Lefty.

[@nearlysteviedan1275]

Love this guy !

[@philadams1495]

Eddie dempsey handled that very well

[@SaxoEnergy]

We love Mick and Eddie

[@user-sf7kl9uh7k]

Keir Starmer's going to have a terrible time of it, dealing with these people.

[@liamponsonby1862]

Ediie Dempsey is an absolute ledged. 🚆🚆🚄🚋

[@MrPetebuster1]

I think clash is the wrong description

[@dlowrie4573]

Why dont the press support hard working people? Usual, people with money asking the questions, they dont know the business end of a shovel. Poor show Julia. Keep up the good work Eddie!

[@longlivetheboleyn1917]

Whats wrong with having money.

[@derekupson4489]

What on earth has a private sector bank got to do with the British taxpayers. We could mention that Eddies education was a waste of taxpayers money.

[@janelowe524]

100% everyone deserves and should have enough money to live on,

[@kevinpeat3721]

'Modernisation' What was really modern was when all jobs had sick pay, annual leave and pensions. What is old fashioned is queue-at-the-factory-gate for work Uberisation ! That kind of contract existed even before the industrial revolution.

[@trevellyanblack4101]

The truth is that the UK is currently experiencing skyrocketing inflation amidst stagnating wages, so inflation matching pay rises aren’t the problem. As in the 70s, wages have to go up in line with inflation in order to stop an economic disaster for ordinary working people.

[@chezzykk1]

Where did she clash with Eddie Dempsey, please tell me

[@WestfaliaStuff]

That should be "Clashing on behalf of her employers with ED".

[@JohnSmith-wl8cv]

Why is it tha private Rail companies gets tax payers money thrown at them when they can't run a bath renationalise the Railways

[@j33prang]

I'm surprised that the challenge comes from the railway as they do better than most. However, i firmly agree with their reasoning. we can afford to pay NGO's with citizens wages (forced by government policy... like pfizer). and yet our finances, and real product or service providers have to foot the bill for companies that provide little to nothing (and sometime a deficit to everyday people eg. paying for hotels for illegal immigrants). Bang on and about time someone thought about the right way to build back better.

[@stuartwood5448]

It’s easier to ask for pay rise, than ask what needs to be done to bring down inflation

[@1inchPunchBowl]

Correct considering they would have nothing to do with coming up with the solution. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's the elected governments job not rail workers. What an odd thing to say. I bet sounded better in your head.

[@markwelch3564]

They did provide the answer,even though the question wasn't asked. Inflation is being driven by external costs on essentials. If you ask people to not eat there will be riots. Wages have to keep pace with the cost of essentials However, we do need to take money out of the system to counter inflation. Therefore, we need less dividends and bonuses paid out This counters inflation without causing painful hardship for average people

[@chrishubert4377]

Well done Eddie , brilliant, you are well prepared to stand in for Mick when he retires,which I hope is a long time off.

[@paulmartin9194]

Is this 'Bricktop's' son??

[@kevinpeat3721]

The private banks were bailed out by the taxpayer, Julia !!!! Banker's pay is of concern to them. All the same. Good interview and nice to see the mutual respect between you two.

[@jacquelinebailey3637]

The Tory party and Boris shut this country and it's people down for two years, people died. I support Mick Lynch and the rail unions.

[@FeedsNoSliesMusic]

I wonder how the people who fret about wages pushing prices up explain how prices have been going up the past however many years without wages going up.

[@johnrandle8365]

Have you noticed the ones spouting against striking R M T workers, Are well off not really affected by these increases in fuel food or Energy on salaries what Reach to the stratosphere Ms brewer tories rich comes to mind .

[@gordonhamilton727]

She is wrong. Inflation is not the rise in the cost of living. Inflation is the increase in the M2 money supply. The rise in prices of goods and services is a consequence of years of money printing. In order to bring Inflation under control, the Bank of England would have to put interest rates above the CPI, at around 10 to 12%. They can't ever do this as the would collapse the Financial system, every bank on the High Street would fail, the stock market would implode and the housing market completely collapse. Putting up interest rates by a quarter or half a percent is like your house going up in flames, and when the fire brigade arrives they have a bucket of water to throw on the fire. Inflation will continue to rise until people are calling for 20 and 40% pay rises. The paper or fiat money system is collapsing, we are in the foothills of hyperinflation, and there's nothing the goverment or central bank can do about it.

[@tekay44]

simple. no "union" should hold the people up to get a raise.

[@frankdunne2401]

Former member of eetu bless you

[@hudson7354]

How do the rail Workers get such brilliant union leaders ?

[@thecornedbeefcouncil9792]

Long history of strong unions, high union membership and a willingness of members to fight for workers rights.

[@sallywright8065]

Where’s the clash??

[@garyrobertshaw2202]

Loved that from the rmt

[@Maelstromaku]

Julie is being very disingenuous here,she knows he is right and I'm actually gobsmacked by her attempts to try de rail this very fair argument,childishly at points! 'We can't afford it' is absolutely bullshit and she knows that,I'm actually shocked she came out with that after some things she's said in past,very silly and disappointing conduct.

[@paulwright9106]

It is a well known fact that this government does NOT care about the low payed workers , and the shareholder get bonus , something stinks .

[@joycegibbs5267]

what perks to they get as well. Don't the tube workers get "free" travel for themselves and their families?

[@BobSmith_Liverpool]

joyce gibbs NO

[@DaveTheTrain]

Why does that matter? What perks do MPs get? Free apartments, bonuses etc. Same with CEOs and MDs. They have those perks and they want to keep them...why begrudge that?

[@joycegibbs5267]

​@@DaveTheTrain it matters because we have to pay for them, don't we? And we're not talking about MP's, CEO's etc.. If we were, I would begrudge just as much.

[@DaveTheTrain]

@@joycegibbs5267 think you'll find we pay for the rail CEOs and MDs too. Actual toc rail staff get free travel on their own toc but does that really cost you?

[@joycegibbs5267]

@@DaveTheTrain I don't know, that's the question I originally asked !!!!

[@robynbaptiste2956]

Very telling to see journalists siding with the fat cats and not the people. I stand with the unions and the people!!! Lynch for PM!

[@MrTudwud]

If the "1% to give up their terms and conditions" is true, then I'm not surprised they have not reached a settlement. Agreeing to this would probably mean a new Contract and, believe me, that would be a massive step backwards for everyone affected and would only benefit the Operating Company. That said, I will never agree with strike action that holds the People to ransom.

[@ccolemanification]

So, a ' massive step backwards for everyone affected' and you would not strike! That'll frighten the bosses!

[@MrTudwud]

@@ccolemanification Are you an MM fan? Just quote half a sentence out of context. It won't wash.

[@maureengreenin3003]

Because she works for Talk TV, and that’s what they do. They like to say they are putting the questions on behalf of the public, which is a load of cobblers, most people understand exactly why the rail workers are striking. Workers have had enough of the total inequality in this country. I agree with Eddie Dempsey, and as a volunteer of an advice bureau, I could never understand why WTC and CTC, as it was then, was paid to some employees of our largest companies who were making huge profits, but not paying their workers a living wage, so Tax Credits were given as benefits, and who paid for them, us the Tax payers of course. Now we have Universal Credit so nothing has change, and the Tax payer boosts the profits of companies and the share holder benefits. Boy is it time for a change.

[@charliesloan3485]

The crooks in suit's (government) won't talk about the money that went missing on the useless PPE 😂

[@shellovski]

I think that Julia struggled to get her point across there. At least she didn't dig herself deeper and deeper!

[@keithgoodrick-meech3921]

The public sector hasn't had a pay rise for over 10 years.

[@smsm-xb1lt]

Strange how a few fellows such as Eddie Dempsey and Mick Lynch are exactly what the Labour Party was set up for and yet the Labour Party is so far removed from what it’s supposed to represent it’s sad. I’d really like to see both of them go into politics.

[@longlivetheboleyn1917]

The labour party are not what they used to be. Same aa conservatives, they are not real conservatives.

[@davidwhittingham8617]

if your doing so much flexible work how come the UKs rail is probably the worst in, dare i say it the world.

[@marknugent7716]

Greater pay for rail services and a poor service with prices going up again get real

[@Lazarus-zf2sw]

Thought Julia was quite sympathetic to Eddie and the RMT....

[@cobbler40]

They speak the words the Labour Party should be using.

[@martindimmock4820]

THEY ALREADY GET PAID ENOUGH

[@markwilson2561]

Eddie you let me down with your stance on Europe

[@alisonthurston7989]

100 percent

[@davidwilliams5124]

Julia recognises that the rail companys have been pocketing billions in our tax money ,so she also must recognise that the railworkers demands are just and fair ,

[@garrygibson389]

Power to the people it's the people that holds this country up its people that keeps this country moving and it's the people who fight for this country that keeps all that super rich people safe in their big homes and all the friends of this rich people oh let me think 🤔🤔 oh the media and you can see what they are trying to do to people just trying to get a fair deal so they can get by oh so sad keep fighting power to people 💪

[@MrPatch25]

IF ANY COMPANY HAS TO BE BAILED OUT THEY SHOULD'NT SPEND IT ON BONUS PAYMENTS AND SHAREHOLDER PAYMENTS IT IMMORAL and should stop, any future profits should go back to the taxpayer

[@susangrant6154]

Support the workers

[@FF-so3su]

Good work Julia. 👍😊👍

[@richardbanker3910]

Eddie Dempsey played a blinder in this one and rolled back Julia Hartley Brewers propoganda very well. Nice touches of humour about Brexit

[@joinmeonthedarkside2]

Why is she keeping on about the money money money It isn't just about that First and foremost.. Compulsory redundancies no Stealing terms and conditions no Pushing safety to its limit no

[@resort41]

Zero

[@edwardhudson9851]

If Eddie asked her out for a drink she would definitely say yes

[@garyroey4445]

Sack the lot . Re hire at Market rates There products are not yoused ,too expensive for daily use, London maybe but the rest of the country do not use them to expensive and inconvent.

[@Hoscitt]

Market rates are higher than net rail pays. Salaries for comparable roles in private companies are higher

[@MrTeaTwoSugars]

Market rates? What are you talking about? All the other railways we have in this country

[@andrewoliver8930]

Yoused?

[@garrymcfadden4105]

@@guyverjay1289 in convents apparently. Just wanna hire nuns

[@cobbler40]

Julia doesn’t like workers going on strike but no problem with CEO’s bonuses.

[@longlivetheboleyn1917]

Says who

[@garrymcfadden4105]

Disgusted actually with talk tv.

[@stopitnow7762]

You cannot fight the righteous fighter.

[@marks6357]

Julia's done some fine work on the woke stuff but she's way off here, record profits and they're not even talking to these people. Mick lynch the only one coming out of this with any credibility. Get round the table you clowns.

[@issachunt3418]

My wife works for Northern rail and earns 30k plus on a clerical grade. She's in the RMT and did NOT vote to strike as she feel its wrong. She got full pay during the pandemic. And feels very lucky to have the salary she earns.

[@rossblack9559]

That is decent for clerical, however i bet she has better conditions than most. Ppl r missing the point with the rmt union, they are there to help the workers, have better contracts etc. Every industry should have one. When threats of redundancy and more profits going to those its harsh on the workers, but this happens in all industries.

[@MrTeaTwoSugars]

Don't feel lucky, stand up for your rights

[@andrewoliver8930]

The government locked us down si they should pay up if they stop us working.

[@issachunt3418]

Get a job scrubber

[@trytellingthetruth.2068]

@@rossblack9559 When the people that pay your wages number in the millions, it's so much easier to withhold your labour. Try doing that working for a small family owned business with very small profit margins.

[@annenunney9907]

Glastonbury is more important that peoples livings really

[@tiziocaio6236]

A very articulate and calm RMT official. Much like Lynch. The interviewer is rather crude and rough with a poor line of questioning

[@pdales2257]

British news is so much better than American media With the exception of the BBC, 😆. Julia is a real journalist asking, challenging the narrative. Thank you 😊

[@nburton01]

Inflation busting pay rises are all very well but it will inevitably fuel inflation effecting everyone, especially those who can’t hold the country to ransom and get high pay rises. If we want pay rises without inflation and without making this country and everyone in it poorer we have to work more efficiently and modernise. If we don’t want to do that, while other countries are, then we just go backwards. We should have learnt this from the 70s.

[@trytellingthetruth.2068]

Unions and their members are still stuck in the 70's.

[@nickwignall9788]

"Corporate Profits in the United Kingdom increased to [an all time high of ] 139210 GBP Million in the first quarter of 2022 from 128935 GBP Million in the fourth quarter of 2021" Source ONS The wealth driven through corporate profits should be redistributed to working people. Explain again how pay rises in line with current inflation will harm this further?

[@susangrant6154]

NO it's excessive profits thats the problem

[@syriacchristianity9007]

He smashed it! Go home Julia, Murdoch stooge 👉🏻

[@colmdevlin5340]

100%

[@OldGreyMulletTest]

Eddie wins again - by speaking the BS-free truth.

[@getsid25]

Keir Starmer will soon have competition for his job from Eddie!

[@mikeleighton9891]

Back 100%.

[@mercomania]

"the NUJ is a socialist organisation", it is a Union Julie, there to protect it´s members who maybe aren't coining it in like like you.

[@audreyhall8644]

Unions are pathetic. Progress is hard work when these people are against progress. 2022 and they still want someone to blow a whistle on the platform.

[@klebyell]

What's progressing? the wallets of millionaires and billionaires?

[@paulslater9061]

There's no however Julia