Julie Rowe, a former confidant of Chad and Tammy Daybell, talks about their relationship (from 2020)

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Julie Rowe, a former confidant of Chad and Tammy Daybell, spoke with EastIdahoNews.com on June 5, 2020. Three days later, the bodies of JJ Vallow and Tylee Ryan were found buried on Daybell's property.
We never posted this interview but are now sharing it, unedited, for the public to see. You can watch the entire conversation in the video player above.
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[@JenJean1234]

At the end of the interview, she said don't believe me, take it to the Lord and ask Him. So I did. He said she's off her rocker.

[@angelapyle7301]

Yes !!!😂😂😂

[@Peel420]

Brilliant 😂😂👏🏻

[@justkhloevlogging]

😂😂😂😂

[@Sandra_HereToSeeTheDuctTape]

😂

[@Charlene_SoCalGal]

Yes, that's the message I got after she told us she was premortal! 😂😂😂😂

[@kauaiwithanne3134]

This is the lady who when this began said that Chad was innocent and that Lori's last husband was abusive...neither are true.

[@LaVidaLocaHomie]

A narcissist nut, not a good combo.

[@robinsaxophone232]

And she said her angels told her the kids were alive playing on a beach. She has also ripped people off with her silly BS.

[@lisapope1462]

She is a danger to society!

[@lisapope1462]

Chad is a death row murderer, why are you letting her go on about Chad being a visionary. This is disgusting Nathan! This is disrespectful to those murdered!

[@Katie-cs2hn]

@@lisapope1462this interview was 4 years ago. Children were found 4 days after this interview

[@sherrieneidigh2764]

She is just as scary as Chad.

[@alexperkins8433]

idk about scary but definitely bananas

[@DonnaLena1]

Thousands of people listen to Julie Rowe. She is dangerous. She believes what she is saying.

[@river8760]

She sure is!

[@justine7083]

Her view of the world and God is so convoluted and depressing.

[@LisaFerguson-lw8il]

@@justine7083 This is what happens when a religion needs investigation. Far too many LDS members delve into craziness. Julie mentioned Eric Smith. I was horrified but fascinated by this frightening fiasco for a long time. Eric Smith is as disturbed as Julie. Listening to this woman speak about her experiences, visions, energy, etc., tells me she is in urgent need of psychiatric assessment and treatment. Here in Europe the LDS church is slowly dying out, as it is in so many parts of the world. I've met some great "Mormins". They quietly get on with their lives and don't need all the nonsence Julie and her mob almost vie with one another to portray how enlightened they are.

[@yertletheturtle5843]

Julie Rowe's next book should be "How to monetize mental health issues".

[@JEdwarrd]

Isn't this what Mormon leadership does? Currently the leadership in Utah is attempting to sue a town in Texas b/c Utah leadership wants a massive-industrial temple to be built in a rural community. Local residents are fine with a temple being built, don't want the temple to overtake the town. Utah Mormon leadership doesn't care about the community & have made it apparent. All they see is $$$$

[@sarahmonney9816]

So so true

[@charleslaughton8092]

...and the winner of the 2020 Emmy Award for keeping a straight face for one hour and eight minutes goes to Nate Eaton of East Idaho News!

[@m00nk1n]

🏆🏆🏆

[@linseyskelly9524]

I second that! Dude is a LEGEND!

[@jsbach9848]

YEAH!!!!!

[@Floridagirl62]

@@charleslaughton8092 I totally agree!!! I could not have done it at all!! My facial expressions would have been very apparent no matter how hard I tried!!

[@tomthompson4557]

I second that

[@TrueCrimeDoula]

Julie, everyone around Chad and Lori knew they were having an affair. Thats not being psychic, that's common sense.

[@Jessica-wo6px]

Even Charles knew. It was THAT obvious

[@eimyA0419]

Nate you deserve an Emmy not only for this entire case but for keeping a straight face and maintaining so professional through this. I would have been trying not to laugh..😂

[@victorialinnd]

Literally her first sentence, I was howling. 🤦🏼‍♀️😂

[@Aleka1943]

Here too. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@eimyA0419]

@@victorialinnd HAHAHAHAHAAHA I'm at work trying to keep it together 😩

[@Stephanie-hl8jo]

Hats off to Nate. I am rolling!!!

[@eimyA0419]

​@@Stephanie-hl8jo His face 🤣🤣

[@valentinat3250]

Her talking about Tammy, JJ, Tylee, Alex and Charles…and describing what they are thinking and feeling after they were murdered… is just sickening and shameful.

[@KatKPatterson]

It is beyond disrespectful to their memories! Also to the families!

[@twink1212]

That felt so weird hearing her talking about their feelings...🙈🤯

[@kimmoore0427]

Also her saying Charles is in the dark, and that he treated Lori bad! How DARE SHE VICTIM BLAME CHARLES!

[@Jessica-wo6px]

And then wanting to promote her "book"🙄 She seriously needs some help

[@valentinat3250]

@@kimmoore0427 I think she is referring to him being in outer darkness, the Mormon concept of “hell”. Disrespecting his memory even in death💔

[@cmadd498]

Dear Julie, Chad had no gifts period. He is a con.

[@vickiedutton6829]

Absolutely.

[@merricat3025]

Just like her

[@Troe76]

So is she so she wants ppl to believe in the scam.

[@carliehumphrey1236]

AMEN to that!

[@user-uj7in4lo2x]

Neither does she!!😂😂😂

[@savannahhargis]

The minute she said “refer people to my new book” I knew exactly why she came.

[@caseyconatser7926]

I missed that part there's so much word vomit. This was about attention I believe that for sure. She had to add on Chad violated her she can't just say yes we had an affair. I just don't believe the woman.

[@Penny_Laine]

I agree 💯

[@sharimeline3077]

@@caseyconatser7926 It was right at the beginning, right after Nate asked her name and basic information.

[@caseyconatser7926]

@@sharimeline3077 o.k thank

[@zetrei80]

😂 not even 5 min had passed of the interview and her book is already brought up

[@DebbyDoodles]

One thing I appreciate about you, Nate, is your interviews are about the guest, not yourself. You allow your guests all the freedom to speak as long as they need to. You don't interrupt with talk of yourself. You don't act. You are real. I appreciate you and your family. As always, great interview.

[@Jessica-wo6px]

I don't know how he sits through listening to this crazy woman. I would have a headache😅🙄 Kudos to him for being such a good reporter!

[@elayneblystone7889]

Yes u are kind

[@campngirl2u875]

Nate is a wonderful reporter, bit this is one nutjob that he shouldn't have given time for. She's spreading all the same shit that Chad did.

[@montanalilac]

I was so excited to see this video come up, but I only made it about 20 minutes in. She makes my stomach churn. Literally. I can’t watch without feeling physically ill. Nate is fantastic as usual and I give him high praise for sitting through this interview with a straight face.

[@m.almodovar798]

💯 agree

[@nicholamc2629]

Not an “Extreme Prepper”? Julie why were you walking around Heather Daybell’s property with Chad (along with poor Tammy and the kids, lagging behind like the leg manacles they were to him) planning a tent city for the 144,000 post- apocalyptic survivors?

[@lianehihath3439]

No way. F easy crazy.

[@lianehihath3439]

Super nutter😮😮😮😮😮😮

[@lianehihath3439]

Damn stupid mormans. Gives a bad reflection to all Mormans. Shame on you.

[@lianehihath3439]

You should consider yourself evil, demented f Crazy B

[@lianehihath3439]

Body language says it all. Dig yourself a hole to get away from your attacks. Disappear I beg you.

[@elljay700]

If you believe any sentence this woman spouted in this interview, seek immediate help

[@vihmake]

This woman believes she is telling the truth, in my opinion. She is dealing with mental health issues, clearly, it is different from Chad. I totally understand the frustration, but she deserves some understanding, as she is clearly and deeply unhappy.

[@raphaelhythloday1932]

I feel like I need help after listening to it even though I don’t believe this woman. It was a train wreck that somehow I could not look away from.

[@joank.0421]

Yes, nothing this woman has predicted ever came to light. 😵‍💫🙄 Imagine her telling people they have traumas they've never had... and the danger of that

[@user-wc9ug1hl9v]

Two minutes in and I can’t listen any further. How does anyone believe this? Brainwashing and indoctrination is real.

[@Bowdy_Up]

@@vihmakeno she doesn’t. It’s clear that she is seeking financial gains. She doesn’t believe a word of it herself.

[@erikas1962]

I don't like nor trust this woman

[@ShraddaNiche]

Yep you would think this obvious..........OMG

[@Katiegirlluv]

She should be charged!

[@jcny11]

She is seriously ill. Not kidding

[@tianagray]

Right? I was disappointed Nate even talked to her

[@Bug-Tussle]

​@@tianagraynews people have a responsibility to the public.

[@tallgirlhappyme]

*Julie Rowe clearly thought this interview was all about Julie Rowe.* 🤢

[@crystalship9900]

Why didn’t she see the deaths of those children and where they were buried?? What a flake and a fraud.

[@LaVidaLocaHomie]

Why didn't she see the Lotto numbers and retire wealthy beyond imagination rather than write a book to make a couple thousand if lucky?

[@donnawv]

Great points!!

[@Katiegirlluv]

She knows so much....but eerily not *that*

[@PrinceCharmingsMom2930]

Fraud, perfect description

[@mel720]

Coo-coo for Cocoa puffs. She doesn't conduct herself honorably in this mortal coil. I've seen some videos of her acting out. It's not nice. When she starts talking about her visions she's telling it like a narrative, a story she's concocted and told, not a memory. I can't believe anyone invested in her visions.

[@AnniePierce-c5e]

As an actual counselor (with an undergraduate degree in psychology and a master’s degree in counseling) I find it alarming that she alleges to work with her ‘clients’ to help them process past trauma, etc. with no formal education or training relating to mental health. This really scares me. Among a lot of other things she says in this interview!

[@mariadewey4369]

How can this be legal? She charges for THIS!!!😮😮😮

[@brendacole5915]

Psychiatric nurse of 30+ years, I agree with @AnniePierce-c5e

[@Georgie3463]

It's common in Utah. Mormons looking fo woo-woo spiritualism and energy healing is the norm. Connexions was another grifting operation that used unlicensed people to give "life coaching" services, led by Jodi Hildebrandt.

[@LisaFerguson-lw8il]

@@Georgie3463 Yes. The LDS church insisted that members seeking therapy should only see those who include the LDS teachings in their treatment. Jodi Hildebrand sent invoices to the LDS every month. She was on the church approved therapist list, and made her fortune from that. Not even one word from the church to explain their behaviour. I'm waiting to hear when the church will be charged.

[@jenya723]

Its a massive problem in Utah..very scary that for strange reasons the government has weird laws only in Utah to protect shady high up mormon people doing very shady things and banking from that..probably paying off the Government involved in all the shady mormon crap

[@Laura-ch7fl]

The fact that she said that if they want to know what happened in her NDE…then they should buy her book…is kind of another red flag.

[@LaVidaLocaHomie]

Why use a nut for your publisher when anyone can self publish on Kindle for free and without the 50% publishers cut.

[@AmFlora]

Like seriously. Ma'am, this is an interview. Tell the story or gtfo.

[@ajordan1976]

She charges hundreds to hear her speak. People actually pay her and attend.

[@shanl5132]

She has the audacity to laugh but claim she is here to reveal darkness.....she's dark in my mind

[@juliapearce4380]

@@shanl5132 She is a devil spirit!

[@abeachgump]

For an empath and energy conduit, she surely didn’t pick up on the interviewer rolling his eyes into the back of his head for 90 minutes. 😂

[@jackki6869]

😂😂😂😂

[@barbaramiller2279]

Yikes. Was there nobody in this poor woman's life that would be honest with her? As disturbing as that is, how could there be people who actually believed this? She's as equally mentally ill as Lori Vallow has shown herself to be.

[@LaVidaLocaHomie]

I would have loved to be a fly on the wall for the weekly Denny's roundtable talk with this cast of misfits.

[@PrinceCharmingsMom2930]

Well, her TikToks are so scary and sad. She blocked me. I’m ok with that.

[@privacyplease23]

People probably cut ties with her out of fear.

[@kat8canary77]

Her 1st and now 2nd husband did not believe her. This is not even as odd as I have heard her speak. This was recorded before her second husband said he did not believe her and she went off the deep end.

[@cathyweisner2683]

She sees the kids in paradise while they are buried in the ground. This chick is a total fraud.

[@EllieGrant1]

This is what happens when delusions are allowed to go unchecked.

[@LaVidaLocaHomie]

This is what happens when state psychiatric hospitals are shut down.

[@rachelb315]

It is concerning

[@river8760]

She’s not mentally ill , she’s a con artist. Preying on those who believe this religious 🗑️

[@pattyg6705]

I'd like to add....that this is what happens when delusional thinking goes unchecked and unmedicated And when they intertwine delusional thinking with twisted religious beliefs it becomes extremely dangerous for the person and those around them. As this whole sad story proves. Those poor kiddos & spouses. Just sickening.

[@EE33339]

The entire mainstream mormon church talks this way and beliefs in itself is a delusional religion. Don’t believe me? Attend a sacrament meeting…

[@North_West1]

She’s good at playing the victim. She will never accept she is part of the problem.

[@andie-rl6id]

omg i heard her lie and ramble on several podcasts, and now she has another nutty platform to whine and fake cry and grab attention for herself. why waste time on her? Nate, yuck… she lies

[@KateGoldauthoress]

Exactly. 1 hour of her saying don't look at me

[@darkallegiance666]

Fake crying, lying - very, very little truth. Sad.

[@bewitched3912]

Agreed, I think she was a homewrecker.

[@EricaShankle-tf6em]

It’s SCARY that this person has children. Those kids are going to be sooooooo impacted by her undeniable craziness.

[@kathleenwilkins4294]

This woman is a con artist, who taught Chad, then that began all the trash that led up to murder. She is a liar, for money.

[@neilcampbell4931]

She is running a total con.

[@LaVidaLocaHomie]

Rumors are she is Jim Jones Guyana lovechild.

[@RobinaDunstan]

Chad wasn't taught,...he copied

[@vernareed2692]

​@@RobinaDunstanalong with a chance to put the make on another woman as well as get money!!

[@ItsMeCheryl1231]

She is more of a Grifter than a certain presidential candidate!

[@dphilnok]

She’s every bit as nuts as Chad and Lori! 🤨😳

[@LaVidaLocaHomie]

Now that's saying something !!!

[@tarakoschnitzke4730]

1,000 %

[@angelapyle7301]

Yes& both Melina’s. Funny she said Charles was dark like Alxe.. beech r u serious⁉️Alex helped. Lorie out Tylee & dismembered Tylee ‼️Charles is no where Alex is. Rip Charles,Tammy,Tylee&TJ🪽🙏

[@freedom24-2x]

Delusional. Some people will do anything to make themselves feel relevant. She’s a drama queen trying to make a living off of it. And helped Chad see another way to make a living off gullible people.

[@NurseChapel_NCC1701]

Film flam artist through and through.

[@Dingle1234]

Histrionic - she's using THIS forum to spew this stuff? To the man who became a hero to the memory of those dead children? He's got real fortitude, my goodness.

[@bethyann562]

Nate, you did a great job here!!

[@freedom24-2x]

Nate, you’re such an amazing reporter. Thanks for all you’ve done the past few years to bring this all to light.

[@krysaliyah]

Can she now just shut up? Blah blah blah! Right?

[@honeybunch5765]

This woman needs serious mental health treatment. 💔

[@JEdwarrd]

Joseph Smith needed it too, but created a religious community instead.

[@EphraimLDS]

Give my man Nate the Emmy for best actor.. how you could keep a straight face during an hour of this is beyond masterful. 10/10

[@vashtimatthews6220]

True talent!

[@angelanorton5975]

My thoughts exactly! Nate is a wonderful respectful interviewer.

[@LisanneJezekIker]

Nate is so incredibly respectful. You rock Nate!

[@mackcappel844]

I pray she reads all these comments! What’s fascinating is she believes people believe her.

[@EE33339]

@@EphraimLDS because Nate is Mormon and this kind of delusional behavior and beliefs is normal in his cult

[@tolowreading6807]

Her entire premise is self serving, her so called "calling" and "spirituality" are just excuses to do whatever she wants, and make money.

[@kc-lp6wg]

This is like when Melanie said "Can l share the scripture with you?" and then shit talked Lori on the phone, dialed up to 1,000,000,000.

[@andie-rl6id]

agree. she is a total liar. there are several podcasts she is on and it’s just easy to sense she makes up “trauma” as she goes on.

[@crystaldawn9255]

Her entire premis is attention

[@gaiagreen2690]

As a mental health professional from Europe, I find this entire interview absolutely horrifying. The ward I work on here in Zürich is full of people who have almost identical visions. They also all behave and talk in this same hyper-religious, grandiose, surreal manner. They speak of communicating with god, of flying around in their dreams, being shown all kinds of secret knowledge, being special and chosen, having a mission etc. The only difference is that here, we call a psychiatrist who can diagnose the disorder and give a proper treatment, while in America people believe these visions are true, they follow the patients as their leader and even indoctrinate their children with these surreal stories. Absolutely terrifying.

[@JillKelly-yu5vm]

LDS sets this up in the Book of Mormon. Why are so many LDS convicted child molesters, child abusers and murderers? Also bombers, murderers of women who dont adhere to the patriarchy? So many veins of disaster within LDS doctrine. The entire religion is a cult and they all fight for power and authority within this untaxed "church." And to think USA was founded on separation of church and state. We need to reclaim our foundation and to adhere to science otherwise....

[@juliapearce4380]

Yes this is such a mental illness and is so disturbing. What kind of man could stand to be married to her…

[@JennKambourian]

There are some who fall for the nonsense of women like Chad Daybell and Julie Rowe, but the vast majority of Americans see both of them (and others like them) as troubled, dangerous and delusional.

[@dodiebondwood]

It is so scary that there are so many people that think and believe this. It's so wack!

[@fighttheevilrobots3417]

@@gaiagreen2690 This is why the United States is becoming a Christian fascist state. Because there are millions of people like Julie. They may have different Christian beliefs, but they are just like her in their smug certainty and desire to make everyone else look and think how they want. They have shown they will take away anyone's rights if they think their god demands it. They are trying to shut down all public education. They teach their children hate towards anyone that isn't Christian or straight. It's bigotry. And the right wing uses it for votes. There are thousands of towns in the USA filled with people who hate critical thinking and call it fake news, like Julie here. It's really really scary. The grandiosity, the conservative talking points woven into every day speech, the casual homophobia, it's an every day occurrence. This is the country who voted for George Bush twice. This is the country that voted for Trump. Is Julie Rowe the country's true avatar?

[@vellahillery7889]

This woman LOVES the sound of her own voice. She talks and talks, yet says nothing of relevance. According to her, she’s had 6 near death experiences, she has the gift of discernment, the gift of “hearing”, the gift of seeing the past, the gift of seeing the future, and the gift of “energy healing”. I believe her “gifts” may be part of her self reported mental illnesses. Chad’s own family members said they never heard him say anything about having near death experiences until he started publishing Julie’s books. He saw how lucrative her books were and jumped on the bandwagon. All of these people are full of baloney!

[@lynneserman6054]

@bella hillery7889, exactly!

[@mohawkmom4119]

This is the same woman who TRIED to SNEAK into the Courtroom of Chad's TRIAL............

[@emilyflotilla931]

And danced outside the courthouse with a sports bra as her top. Don't recall if she had jeans, or sweats on her bottom.

[@angelapyle7301]

@@emilyflotilla931what ⁉️Haven’t heard or seen anything about that 😮‼️

[@AmandaBabyyyyy]

Yep lurking around in a baseball cap like she was in disguise 😵‍💫

[@xanthippe_2695]

​@@emilyflotilla931Her accompanying TikTok post that day was really off the rails, too! Growling and hissing. Bizarre! Her kids and ex need to get her some help!

[@dianakennedy5200]

Oh yeah. Prior knew she was coo coo for coco puffs.😂

[@gratefulB.Y.4406]

Nate, I have no idea how you convinced this unwell woman to appear on your show. All I know is that you deserve a medal for the way you handled this interview.

[@cl94501]

He didn’t purposely have her on his show. She showed up at the new station and demanded to be interviewed.

[@The_Crow-]

@@cl94501someone needs to get her place in a mental hospital to get her stable:

[@HapticFrequencies]

@gratefulB.Y.4406 She asked to be interviewed. This interview took place June 5, 2020, before the children had been located. It was only 3 days later Tylee and JJ were located on the Daybell property. So, at this point, everyone was still looking for any nugget of info from anyone in the Lori/Chad inner circle. Chad hadn't even been arrested at this point...

[@crystaldawn9255]

She asked him. He did not seek her out in any way

[@whoopsydaisy6389]

People said they wanted to see it. They wanted a close up look at the insanity. You dont have any right to degrade and shame him for giving his viewers what they asked for. ​@optimisticlook

[@roguerake]

"What would you say Chad's gifts...are?" The delivery on this, Nate. Impeccable.

[@tammytom8927]

Nate is the GOAT! Absolutely priceless! I can’t imagine what he had to do to shake off this interview! God Bless Nate!

[@patriciafoster3347]

Nate asks THE BEST questions

[@Dominique_99]

I imagine Nate had disinfectant himself after this interview and then go home and kiss wife tell her he loved her so much and have a normal conversation about normal things and he was so grateful. He probably also played with his kids and thought of how wonderful normal is.

[@patriciafoster3347]

@@Dominique_99 He also needed shock therapy! To snap him out of shock. 😃

[@suediesen]

Her visions change as she learns more about what's happening in the real world. What a fraud.

[@Purplepuddles0810]

This woman should be in a mental institution

[@EE33339]

@@Purplepuddles0810 most Mormons should be then cause this delusion is normalized in the Mormon cult.

[@Luluisraging.86]

I know a good one, in Provo. I heard she lives in Springville??!

[@LaVidaLocaHomie]

It appears the state of Idaho is suffering from a severe lack of state psychiatric hospitals.

[@kellyewers5692]

And Utah too

[@KrystleVoss2013]

They both ran by lds

[@jo.randall]

Nailed it ​@@KrystleVoss2013

[@zanpsimer7685]

@@LaVidaLocaHomie because LDS doesn’t believe in psychiatry or mental health.

[@CJAmara]

Truly

[@T.Rex33]

Keep in mind, this woman made a lot of money spewing this nonsense to thousands who ate it up.

[@DonnaLena1]

@@T.Rex33 She has many followers and there are several others who are selling the same kind of spiritual new age religion that Chad was “gifted” to know and share. This is easy to laugh at but it is dangerous.

[@kellykearney5163]

Those thousands terrify me.

[@stephanied9629]

Its mind blowing to me how naive the general public is. Society seriously lacking in critical thinking skills.

[@kellykearney5163]

@stephanied9629 this is what happens when you convince people to ignore reality for faith in old-time magic. Once you abandon reality for fables and mysticism, any old crazy can creep on in.

[@caseycox10]

And inspired Chad (to be fair inadvertently)

[@michellespence6789]

How clumsy would you have to be to have 6 near death experiences

[@lauragrier9374]

Lol😂

[@furmisl203]

Hahahahahahaha

[@jenniferstevenson1618]

This is not about gifts. It's actually about DRAMA AND AN EXCUSE FOR MURDER.

[@erikas1962]

You have affected millions of people with your darkness.

[@committed_to_sparkle_motion]

Can you explain how your knowledge of peoples ' "darkness" differs from Chad's?

[@gaiagreen2690]

​@@committed_to_sparkle_motion Even if your religious feelings are hurt by a critical comment, equating a manipulative child murderer with someone who is criticizing an author of harmful, cultic, dangerously fanatical books is highly inappropriate.

[@crystaldawn9255]

She'll be happy to hear you say that

[@jeannemarie5908]

2:33 This is very, very sad. As a former Medical Intensive Care RN, I am so, so sad that this woman believes the hallucinations she experienced while chemically sedated because she was so ill. When people are so ill that they require being ‘comatose’ to allow their body to heal, we give them very potent medication to keep them ‘comatose’. These medications are known to cause hallucinations, they are MIND ALTERING drugs. She was already vulnerable because of her baseline mental status .. then she got bombarded with these drugs .. and she believes the dreams .. same for Visions of Glory’s ‘Spencer’ he was under the effect of mind altering drugs in the hospital also. So darned sad .. and especially because people take their ‘visions’ seriously.

[@juliapearce4380]

She is leading so many people to the pits of H--.

[@jeannemarie5908]

@@TravelingTrainWreck Wow … wtf!! Dude, you don’t even know anything thing about me. Go crawl back under the rock from which you slithered.

[@Stephy0814]

Hey Julie

[@T.Socorso]

I completely agree! I had a fever of 103.5 for 3 days and was having extreme hallucinations, until I was treated/admitted to the hospital. As soon as I begin to feel better I knew instantly that the hallucinations were caused by the fever. I will add that I don't ever want to experience that again though 😁

[@victoriousgavi7736]

The anesthesiologists who have treated me in the past have always explained the effects I could potentially experience. They also gave me tips how to handle them. The doctors really need to explain this to patients-especially those who are mentally fragile.

[@just.joolie]

LOL at her saying that unlike her, the Daybells were “socially awkward.” This is awkward af.

[@NoDetourAhead]

This woman is an opportunist and on the dark side of that. I don’t think she cares about anyone but her pocket book.

[@spindp]

That’s what I said. She’s doing this to promote herself,her book her podcast. Bet she was disappointed it didn’t get aired until now😂😂

[@Katiegirlluv]

Yes and for s3xy time w Chad

[@ajordan1976]

Indeed

[@angelakadlec3437]

She has the biggest cherry tree ever…

[@committed_to_sparkle_motion]

It's actually really sad to see someone who doesn't understand the reality of say, panic attacks, explain them as evil spirits physically attacking them. It's like being in a time machine to the dark ages when "the humors" were used to explain illnesses.

[@RuthZeeck]

Precisely.

[@rachelb315]

Yes, she should Google panic attack

[@lynnegackstetter2779]

Maybe she needs some "leach"work done 😂😂

[@user-du4uv9nn2p]

Or dreams are dreams

[@T.Socorso]

Exactly! I startled my Dogs by yelling at my phone. Saying that everyone gets nervous prior to a big interview/anything important, you insensible weirdo 😒

[@Jerseybaby19]

I almost died a few years ago. I had a small procedure but an artery was nicked and i almost bled to death. While i was being rushed to surgery i knew i was dying. Everything become dark and i felt myself leave my body. I was then put in a coma medically after the operation and given such strong drugs that i can remember caused so many hallucinations whilst i was comatose. The difference between myself and Julie is that im aware that the drugs caused my hallucinations and not because i was on the edge of death seeing spirits. What 😂😂 coming from someone who actually experienced some things she discussed, Julie needs to sit down with the medical experts and they could help explain what drugs she was given and what effect they had. Some of my hallucinations were terrifying. And whilst in a coma too its hard because you can hear everything going on aeound you and having visions on top

[@NurseKat-3893]

This is why we were taught in nursing school to ALWAYS be aware of what we say in front of a comatose or dying patient. They can hear you!!! I always talked to them and explained every touch or move I made the same as I would an awake and alert patient!

[@barbiekat6352]

@Jerseybaby19 I just finished writing something in the comments that is so similar to yours that at first it confused me because it wasn’t exactly the same! 🤔🤔🤔 It’s very validating! Hope you’ve recovered!

[@Jerseybaby19]

@barbiekat6352 I'm so sorry you went through something too... I'm fully recovered now thankyou and hope you are too. I have spoken to another guy who had a very similar experience and I agree it does validate it because it almost feels like a dream now a few years later

[@Jerseybaby19]

@NurseKat-3893 Absolutely 💯. Sadly some nurses didn't heed that advice and I heard allsorts but they gossiped even when I was just sleeping.... however I cant thank them same nurses enough because they noticed something and acted and saved my life so I do forgive the gossiping 🤣

[@NurseChapel_NCC1701]

I was also in a coma for six weeks with a vent and ECMO. I had Covid pneumonia, and wasn’t expected to live. I had what the nurses called delusions, but I found the ones I had to be extremely comforting and assuring. I believe God surrounded me and kept me still and safe. I was not able to hear anything until they woke me up. When I hear stories of people touring heaven, and then they come back only to proclaim their own gifts, I know it’s garbage. All credit goes to God. This woman’s ego is out of control.

[@MormonTrueCrime]

Her audacity to talk about Charles like this. 🤬

[@michellemonet4358]

😢

[@taraellis4345]

Man. Anyone else want the behavior panel to analyze this besides me?

[@anneredmoon]

yesss

[@wilhelminabeckman2930]

Yeeesssss

[@cathylloyd9225]

Yes!!!

[@duckthecuckoo]

Omg yes

[@dash324]

Oh, PLEASE. Send the request to them!!! 🎉

[@Beana10]

This kind of delusional people start cults. How people believe this crazy talk is beyond me.

[@xhaltsalute]

They have no idea that they are delusional. None. Very very sad.

[@julieherbst4445]

There are people who follow this woman

[@julieherbst4445]

Frightening

[@CMpuffin]

@Beana10. I was just thinking the exact same thing.

[@debbieryan6260]

she came from one of the biggest cults-the LDS

[@UpintheairSD]

How Nate kept a straight face throughout this insane interview is commendable!

[@moniqueratelle-babin2155]

I had to laughter at Nate's expression. He nods his head yes but the look in his eyes were saying " this woman is nuts"..good job Nate😅

[@TripleAwave]

Great interview! Nate kudos to you for deciding to release this at this time and not before the trials. You sir are one amazing human being!! Thank you for being you.

[@cellison9414]

She's full of it. She's delusional and self-serving.

[@honeybunch5765]

She is sick, very sick. I feel sad that she has not received the treatment she dearly needs.

[@Njh1963]

How do you keep a straight face listening to this crap! I honestly don’t know how you can keep from bursting out in laughter! She is CRAZY!

[@LaVidaLocaHomie]

It's not a crime to be bat s*** crazy, ask San Francisco, Seattle and Portland residents.

[@billyjewett5006]

Never trust someone who says they “can see” the other side but can’t pick powerball numbers or even the world ends. Thank God she’s been excommunicated.

[@donotrobme9295]

Are u kidding me. She did predict the world’s end. She’s probably right, just said the wrong year. I’m sure there’s an explanation. Just donate to her and I’m sure she’d have an excuse and new date ha ha

[@LaVidaLocaHomie]

@@donotrobme9295 The crystal ball gets a little fogged up at times. My new book along with Chad's new book "Letters From Prison" explains everything. 10% discount bundle on Kindle.

[@Notmep]

Once a momo, always a momo no matter what the cult record keepers say

[@INAGUAPLACE]

😂😂😂👍

[@ajordan1976]

Well she was very vocal about two of your points. She's a fraud and a grifter.

[@kristinm2668]

I can see why this interview wasn’t released…but it sure does shed some light on this cozy little group that included Chad and Lori.

[@TinaBUTCHER-ph1ph]

'The chosen'. I mean, really? This is the best God can do? Either He's losing his touch or these under achieving, bland nobodies are desperate to elevate themselves in each others eyes. My money is on the latter.

[@robinputnam2569]

Nate you are truly a great reporter to interview her with a straight face, must have been hard

[@natalielo32]

The look on Nates face is saying 'delusional' 😂

[@kristy137]

Lmao!! 😂😂 I know right. I'm sitting here saying to myself this woman is crazy like what the actual crap is she saying!?

[@Katie-cs2hn]

Nate deserves a Big raise just listening to this🥜

[@juliapearce4380]

@@Katie-cs2hn When did he do this interview? I know during the trial, he’d say he interviewed her and would share, so I’m assuming this is what he was talking about.. she just said you can have false visions… well everything you’re saying is a false vision!!!!!

[@JenJean1234]

​@@juliapearce4380the interview was 4 or 5 days before the children were found buried on Daybell's property

[@sophiesimonesolomon6427]

Time stamp please.

[@danae1326]

I love how Nate is keeping a complete calm straight neutral face, but too neutral. You can almost see his brain thinking "this woman is a fruitcake." 😂

[@andie-rl6id]

this feels like nate doing an interview to say “hey public, two of them are behind bars and uh some of them are still at large. just watch this”. 😂😂😂😂

[@danae1326]

@@andie-rl6id yes! 🤣🤣😅

[@millie210]

I swear at one point he looked like he was holding back laughing 😂

[@EE33339]

@@danae1326 he’s thinking…ie that really what I sound like when I speak in church? Is this really how the world see’s us Mormons?? answer: YES

[@savannahhargis]

He’s use to this kind of speaking.

[@swaneespeedramsey6080]

The crazy thing that Mormons don’t realize is they sound exactly like her explaining Joseph Smith’s story about the Book Of Mormon or the polygamy doctrine or the Book Of Abraham.

[@EE33339]

@@swaneespeedramsey6080 🎯

[@carolynnowak3823]

How convenient that she was told about all these things but wasn’t told about Chad and Lori going to jail. 😖

[@yvonnemoujalli6904]

BINGO .

[@yvetterodriguez102]

Yes!

[@OneBadAssMoMo]

Or that either of her exes would divorce her…. Both stating they do not believe her!

[@craftsandcrime14]

The look on your face Nate is PRICELESS 😂😂😂

[@rachelb315]

Agree!

[@Gianna646]

@@rachelb315Nate is TRYING to not give away the disbelief he’s thinking 🧐

[@lorrainelaneres-zh1ut]

@@Gianna646I knooooooow 🤦🏻‍♀️😫😂😂😂😂I could see him trying to keep a non judgmental look type of face but struggling 😂😂😂thank you so much Nate for doing this interview as it’s allowed us all to get some insight into how nuts JR is 😳 she’s as nuts as Chubbychad Dumbdaybell and loony Lori Vallow Dumbdaybell 😳 Nate you truly deserve an award for your performance and dedication in this case as well as the world of journalism 🙌❤️🙌 see some comments of disappointment of Nate giving JR a platform 😳we need to see JR for the con woman she is and him having to sit through this interview and put a poker face on so as not to show his true feelings of seeing that she’s disturbingly nuts must have been torturous but he did it for the right reasons so that we got an insight into how seriously disturbed and dangerous JR is😳Nate truly is an incredibly gifted journalist! 🙌❤️🙌

[@eurikia1961]

😂

[@Realdreamscape]

Next time I have an anxiety attack. I’m going tell everybody “I am being psychically attacked by demons.”

[@hellsbells8689]

I wouldn't, if I were you. Unless you're in America. It seems you will be ignored and allowed to carry on with it, if you live there. That, for me, was the saddest part of this. I don't give two figs about Rowe herself but those who have mental issues are not getting helped like they should and some are turning to people like Rowe for help. It's sad and very dangerous.

[@mizcarolyn]

@@hellsbells8689 I feel like the level of “freedom of religion” supported in the US is way beyond what I would consider normal in many many ways. It has become the religious Wild West where all you have to do is claim religious beliefs and suddenly you can be a racist, a bigot, a book burner or force kids to pray in school and you are SET. Compared to that, Julie Rowe is the least of our problems.

[@hellsbells8689]

@@mizcarolyn I can't argue with any of that. When seeing those MegaPastors driving around in their luxury cars or their planes. Their homes as big as a University campus, yet they still ask for more money from followers. Heaven forbid the followers needing to use the church building for shelter though. I feel it's "All 'bout the money".

[@xanthippe_2695]

​@@hellsbells8689yes, and their raz exempt status needs to be revoked!

[@m.lefaye]

😂

[@Bookreviews_taylorsversion]

If she was TRULY an empath, she’d realize that everyone listening thinks she’s crazy.

[@shan3910]

I've never heard a bigger load of rubbish in my life...other than what Chad says.

[@BackrowErnie]

It’s fascinating to me that people like this are 100% incapable of answering yes-or-no questions… Nate: “is that when you met Chad?” JR: “dreams…visions…lime disease…my brother in law’s homeroom teacher…food storage…etc”

[@xanthippe_2695]

😂😂😂

[@caseyconatser7926]

Agreed

[@SteamPoweredSmurfette]

@@BackrowErnieHOMEROOM TEACHER 😂😂😂 I'm almost certain this is either autocorrect, that you aren't familiar with the LDS church, or a hilarious joke. I'm choosing to believe hilarious joke. In the church they're called "family home teachers" and they're someone who has been assigned to a family that they have to check on periodically. I don't really know how to explain it so I copied this from the LDS website. "Two home teachers are assigned to each person or family in the congregation; these two priesthood holders visit their assigned individuals and families each month to help and support them in their efforts to live the principles taught by Jesus Christ." That part of her story was so damn stupid, because that's not even a connection. They're in different locations, and her BIL would not have anything to do with introducing Julie to them, too many degrees of separation. Also idk how it is now or how it is/was in other locations but when I grew up it was a running joke how much everyone hates doing family home teaching. They'd say hi in the hallway and then go tell the bishop they can be checked off for doing their assigned home teaching for the month lmao. Everyone hated both parts of having to do it and having it done. It was so awkward every time that the bishop forced them to schedule a day and time that they could come to our house and lead a "family home evening" (like a mini church lesson but make it way too intimate and uncomfortable). Anyways I laughed so hard at homeroom teacher because it caught me off guard and reminded me of how some of the Mormon mumbo jumbo jargon is so confusing and sounds so stupid when you try to think about how to explain it to anyone else 🤣

[@julietchristensen3957]

It would not have worked to put her on the stand.

[@chanda8669]

​@@julietchristensen3957 Oh yeah that would have been a disaster. But it would have been interesting that's for sure!! 😂

[@cathybenadaro]

Now I know why she wasn't called to testify in either trial.

[@missylee3022]

😂

[@PrinceCharmingsMom2930]

Oh for sure, but you have to admit she’s got her schtick down pat. She’s explaining the unexplainable and there is no proof that she’s factual or bull shitting because the unexplainable cannot be proven as fact. She’s a spin doctor and I can see how weak, insecure, fearful people get sucked into this BS. I believe she’s very manipulative and extremely dangerous.

[@BobbiGail]

Right? Bingo.

[@Suzee6040]

But she did try to sneak in. I just wonder what she had planned to do

[@lsmilek]

Actually, her comment about being groomed by Chad could have been helpful…but she would be too easy to discredit by the defence.

[@Emily-Flowers]

Narcissists are always the hero or the victim... never the perpetrator. Also, why is her mouth hanging open the whole time? This woman needs to be held accountable for all the money she has stolen and the lives she has destroyed.

[@victoriataylor3357]

Antipsychotic meds

[@KatKPatterson]

YES!!

[@kimmoore0427]

IKR! Her bottom lip hanging looks gross!

[@melanielynnkeyes6075]

What money did she steal?

[@Bookreviews_taylorsversion]

Well-said!

[@iffyangel3380]

2 minutes in and she's completely off her rocker!

[@tahp7503]

No! She was off her rocker in the beginning.

[@eimyA0419]

@@iffyangel3380 literally lol

[@b3x427]

2 minutes? I got to 44 seconds... 😆

[@patriciatabak5649]

I realized that right after she said her name

[@zanpsimer7685]

Crazy what the human mind comes up with when faced with death.

[@carrow1057]

Julie, you are the darkness. You are still grifting from vulnerable religious seekers. So tragic. You lie.

[@nsxpetes]

What’s scarier is that people listened to her and believed what she says.

[@sigridbuck5032]

SADLY SHE IS WHO STARTED CHAD ON HIS TRIP THAT ENDED WITH SO MANY DEATHS !!

[@crystaldawn9255]

You say that in past tense but there are still people who do and many many who may not follow her as closely but still do strange weird spiritual or something healing something

[@yankeecitygirl]

She still has a following and charges big money for her services

[@justkiddin84]

@@sigridbuck5032no, Chad did that, he just stole some of her nonsense.

[@justkiddin84]

She is advertising a cruise right now.😂

[@freedomandcoffee]

ok lemme get this straight... she hears directly from the "lord" and angels and god and jesus, yet she heard from them "through the veil" regarding chad AND the missing children... all of those things she heard were (disastrously) wrong... and now she expects anyone to believe anything out of her mouth?

[@us4damons]

How in the world can anybody listen to her for 1 minute and not know that she's absolutely crazy

[@ajordan1976]

Much less pay to read her books and attend her conferences!?!

[@garthg.6150]

You can hear more if you buy and read her book.

[@ajordan1976]

@@garthg.6150 hard pass. I wouldn't contribute to her bank account.

[@Katie-cs2hn]

@@garthg.6150😂😂😂😂

[@andie-rl6id]

crazy dishonest liar manipulative attention grabbing

[@lizmatthei3424]

This woman is not harmless. She’s still collecting money from people, some their life savings. Who knows how her road ends?

[@LaVidaLocaHomie]

It's not hard to predict.

[@tonyahanks7863]

It's awfull nate gave her a platform to scam more people and there are some that are suing her because she isn't building anything she is stealing people's money and living off of it it's disgusting

[@hellsbells8689]

@@tonyahanks7863 It's not "awfull (sic) nate gave her a platform ...", this was done in 2020, days before the children's bodies were found. The interview gives insight into the background of how it started. Maybe we can look signs in future cases. Hopefully this might help some people to wake up and see them all for what they are. I agree with you that she is scamming people. She's also in great need of help for her mental health.

[@deanabraden9871]

I can't believe that anyone who knows about the Chad & Lori case would pay this woman to scam them! She was very much a part of everything Chad was doing, defended him when the story first broke, and only distanced herself when the children were found. Why is AVOW and people like Julie allowed to continue their craziness?

[@michellemonet4358]

What IS this woman doing now?

[@amykru]

You did the right thing to wait to publish this mumbo jumbo. Thanks, Nate! You took one for the team when you sat there with a straight face through this. I have the luxury of turning it off after a few minutes.

[@michellemonet4358]

I gave it 12 mins

[@JosephineB63]

I would really love to hear Nate's take on this interview

[@justkiddin84]

I think we can see it in his face.

[@britmturner843]

This is the type of woman that’s laying tarot cards on the table for $275 an hour.

[@Trustbutdocument]

Well said

[@crystaldawn9255]

She's admitted this. There's interviews out there from people who were close to her. Saying, I need money, I'll book a spiritual healing

[@leslieboyce2455]

She sounds seriously unbalanced.

[@ilovepotatoesforever9818]

Yeah. She needs treatment.

[@hopeg8031]

I wish Nate would’ve asked her, “You believe that Chad was imprinted with false visions by the dark side. How are you so sure that your visions aren’t also falsely implanted and you’ve been misled by darkness?” I would have loved to hear this Charlatan’s answer. The only thing I feel emanating from her is darkness and evil.

[@emilyflotilla931]

It may have put her into overload mode...

[@Troe76]

Well I’d bet she’d say that YOU’RE getting visions from the dark side 😂 cause ppl like this absolutely know they’re lying through their teeth!

[@angelapyle7301]

Agree

[@EE33339]

Because Nate is mormon and has the same delusional Mormon beliefs…Most Mormons just don’t want to admit it in public since this case broke out.

[@JR-dt9ie]

13:10 she rolls her eyes, then i opened my pocketbook....i mean my heart, "ok lord if you want me to do another one 😂😂😂😂😂

[@iamhelenwheels408]

She should not be able to provide "services" such as counseling or anything for money or for free. Very disturbing.

[@zanpsimer7685]

Anyone who says they are Christian and know Christ will return this time or that time or within their lifetime- “Of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only” (Matthew 24:36)

[@weezybfree]

Amen🙏

[@Calverts399]

Exactly!

[@AuzzieRix]

Well said... thank you

[@JenJean1234]

Amen!

[@trishwilson7972]

This!!!!!!!

[@isitrealgood]

I'm tired of these weirdos. I'm not saying anything new, but because of these people's apocryphal beliefs, people are dead.

[@pille9371]

Thank you for being an excellent interviewer Nate. You meet her on her terms, you challenge the perceptions and you show empathy when needed. Great human skills

[@christiemoore232]

Wish I was half as good a person as Nate.

[@EmilyHirsch]

For real.

[@katherinekhan6892]

I hear a voice in MY head. It’s Dana Carvey’s Church Lady saying “Isn’t that conveeeeenient?🥴

[@jackki6869]

😂😂😂😂😂,

[@LadyGenerationX]

Yup! What you said For Sure!

[@whetstone-h4c]

Is she going to cry at the end?

[@ishbelharris1857]

Poor Julie. She just wasn't 'fit, loaded and blonde' enough for Chad to lead the 144k together. However she is perhaps even more bonkers. No wonder she was escorted from the courtroom.

[@susanschroeder8021]

I didn’t know she was escorted from the courtroom!!! Which trial? Lori’s or Chads?

[@L00eez777]

@@susanschroeder8021Chads

[@Mojogoblue]

“Does that make sense?” Nate: “Yeah, sure, next question … .”

[@Katiegirlluv]

He's a pro

[@CMpuffin]

Yeah, every time she'd ask that, I'd be thinking, "No, that doesn't make sense, not at all!" It actually sounds like severe mental illness and/or a pathetic attempt at manipulation...for profit and attention. I cannot believe anyone believes her or Chad or Lori. That is scary. People died over this craziness. 😪

[@theweirdmom]

Your poker face is next level, Nate. You’d be invincible at the table.

[@CMpuffin]

His eyes are his tell. No doubt he is great at staying professional and straight-faced with this nut job, but, I'd play poker with him. Watch his eyes. 😂

[@carolyndymond4065]

Thank you, Nate, for putting this up.

[@campngirl2u875]

I think this is one interview he shouldn't have posted. Even if only one person listens and believes in her evilness, we could very possibly have another Chad and Lori case all over again.

[@judithmccaskill6614]

This woman needs watching by the authorities! For fraud at the very least!

[@patriciamaynard6119]

Exactly

[@sherielowe4256]

Like tax evasion.

[@judithmccaskill6614]

And manipulating ppl who are vulnerable/ going through difficult times with her nonsense!!!

[@fighttheevilrobots3417]

This kind of religious extremism is what is causing so much discrimination and prejudice in the United States.

[@jimbobsconscience5159]

Yeah I noticed she used a few anti-Semitic dog whistles too.

[@fighttheevilrobots3417]

@@jimbobsconscience5159 I'm Jewish and I didn't notice that. What did you notice?

[@JamminGram]

"I was told," whenever someone uses this phrase repeatedly, they are attempting to communicate that they have "special" information that cannot be refuted. Huge red flag. How convenient that she never told anyone some of the things she was "shown" now, after the fact, she is "shedding light" on the circumstances. Unbelievable...literally!!

[@MsFitz134]

Yes. And when you ask who told her... She doesn't even pretend it was some recognized authority, it was the voices in her head which she has named Jesus and guardian angels.

[@tracyafig]

Nate: "yeah, yup." Nate's not believing the bs, however respectful of his guest.

[@EE33339]

@@tracyafig except for the fact that he is member of the exact same cult and served a mission to teach and convert people to this nonsense…

[@NoDetourAhead]

It’s not a near death experience if you’re just ‘asleep’ in a coma.

[@Troe76]

Exactly!! She’s a fraud

[@HapticFrequencies]

No, however there are documented experiences in medical journals/independent medical observers around the world from 1500's to current day, that specifically recount & document what a patient may experience while in an organic coma from a head injury/Stroke/brain tumour, or, in a medically induced-sedated sleep/coma after injury/surgery. And they include visions of all kinds. We DO know, through hospice work, that many ppl see their loved ones or pets, who, have passed on, right before theu die. Some extraordinary statements are made & in my opinion, should never be discounted, b/c we JUST. DON'T.KNOW ...

[@Troe76]

@@HapticFrequencies imo this lady is full of crap just as Chad and Lori are!! I do believe in the things you wrote about BUT I firmly believe that ppl that god blessed with such gifts would NEVER EVER profit off of them by writing books or anything else.

[@HapticFrequencies]

@@Troe76 Yes, I do agree 💯

[@OneBadAssMoMo]

She was never in a coma, she was in a mental institution suffering from psychosis!

[@amyjanefrater1447]

Nate, you were right to withhold this interview until now. Julie is deeply disturbed in her mind. Having watched Chad's trial, we can now see her destructive influence on other people with skewed moral compasses. It really exposes the evil of Chad & Lori, Gibb, Pastenes, etc.

[@EE33339]

This is how all mormons talk LOL this is mainstream and “normal” in lds cult.

[@capenlopen1]

Nate and his family deserve a paid 6 month vacation away from this stuff.

[@LaVidaLocaHomie]

Not sure 6 months would be enough.

[@carolinelvsewe]

So true, very necessary to cleanse your mind and heart

[@msmarlisan6683]

So glad you uploaded this interview. Completely understand why you didn't at the time. It's much more interesting now after the fact. I'm not sure what I was expecting, but I definitely thought we would get more insight into Chad and his beliefs or mindset anyway. But sadly it was the Julie Rowe hour. What I have a hard time understanding is this: I notice anyone who is close to any of the players in this story firmly believes that Chad and Lori really believe what they are saying. That they are delusional. I can't convince myself of that. What I think is that Chad made all this stuff up to get into Lori's pants. And Lori believed he could do this stuff, and just pretended she could and played along with it because it made her feel special. But in reality I think they both knew they were full of bs. I mean we can all agree they didn't have actual portals in there closets where they could have sexual trysts correct? I've never once heard someone testify any facts that either Lori or Chad had any inexplicable abilities. Like Padre Pio, or Edgar Cayce Nothing miraculous about these 2. Just a lot of plotting for money. If you had an insurance policy on your life that they could benefit from then they would call the authorities for the death certificate. But if they wanted to collect your social security check they would bury their victims to keep that money flowing in. And 1 other thing... this thing about Lori always being such a good person and a good mom. I don't see it. I think people saw what she wanted them to see, and what they wanted to see. I think she's been rotten on the inside for a long time.

[@DaniB19819]

All I hear out of this woman's mouth is " I , I ,I ". This is somehow ALL about her , and how I felt this , and I saw that and WOW !! I actually feel sorry for this woman . She BELIEVES every word she says. Very sad.

[@d.jensen5153]

"This is somehow ALL about her..." 💯 As a very wise man said, "Don't think less about yourself, think about yourself less."

[@victorialinnd]

This woman is really something, and not in a good way. I cannot believe the way some people justify their terrible behaviour.

[@Aussietari]

Nate, Thank🙏🏼You from 🇦🇺Australia. You Deserve every Journalism Award in the 🇺🇸 USA, for your Dedication to this Tragic case.😌

[@brookeswapp5871]

That was hard to finish...even with it sped up. Totally crazy.