JUMPING THE STRING! - Can Fast Arrows BEAT a DEER or PIG? 🏹 🦌

[@wisconsinwildman7049]

Ranch Fairy’s laugh should be a ringtone for sale on your website lol

[@zeroedinwithzeke4059]

That followed by a pig squealing. I would buy it in seconds.

[@judefuselier]

Text message notification 😐

[@connorklevesahl7846]

Lol

[@dr_geraldm2115]

Add Aaron`s owl hoot and that’s a hat trick !

[@stick__shooter]

Yes!

[@TheIowaXperience]

That Ranch Fairy dudes t-shirt game is incredible.

[@kaidenpiper3909]

I love how the ranch fairy talk and gives tips. I'm from Appleton wi. And I could watch him for hours

[@tomkarrow8208]

SO glad THP and RF are working together to share facts based on testing (science). Outstanding last few videos on this subject, I am hopeful there will be many more.

[@chadwoodward2402]

Heavy arrows make your bow quiet. Unless you get over the speed of sound you're never going to beat them. Quiet kills period! I'm testing some Sirius Apollo arrows in 250 and 300 spines right now. Bare shafts are flying wonky so it's time to get the bow tuned up. It's not the arrows.

[@donaldsheppard5612]

I am loving this series, soaking it up like a sponge!

[@racerdaveracerdave]

Regardless of arrow weight, this was incredibly instructive on what happens after the bow goes off. Thanks for showing these

[@radimS0505]

I have been following you for over a year and I really enjoy learning from y’all and have learned from this video too. It’s always better to watch y’all than the people that are making big money off of trophy hunts. Don’t learn anything from them. Thanks for being real.

[@noahschoenike2412]

I love the Ranch Fairy! Exposing the lies of the past 20 years of the Archery 🏹 market🤣! Definitely, taking his advice and keeping it close to me. I don't know about yall. Lol

[@_jurist]

He isn’t exposing any lies he’s promoting them. The title of the video is can a fast arrow beat a pig. But they’re shooting slow arrows. Because they’re shooting 550 grain arrows. Teds arrow in the best of all worlds in the most favorable conditions is moving at 234 feet a second. When it’s very easy to have a bow that shoots an arrow at 324 feet a second. 1/3 faster just look at the videos the arrow would already be through the pig before he moves. He’s doing a bait and switch On you.

[@gsnicholas8522]

Jurist not true at all

[@_jurist]

greg nicholas no it is true. If you need to find out you can look up when Ted bought that bow last year. Then you can put in Ted’s drawl length, which is 28 1/2 inches. And then I gave him the benefit of the doubt saying he’s shooting 70 pounds. It’s only 1 foot a second per pound. And with a 550 pound arrow and the IPO speed of his bowl at best to zero is moving it 234 feet a second. When it’s very easy to have a bow that shoots 324 feet a second. And the aero would already be through the pig before the pig had a chance to move. Because it takes .05 seconds for the sound from the shot to make it 60 feet. And when it takes .28 seconds for your arrow to get there. That means .23 seconds the animal has to react. A human being can react in 2/10 of a second. But if your Arrow gets there in .18 seconds then the animal only has a .13 of a second to react from the time he hears the sound to the point of impact. 1/3 faster and looking at the arrows in the video footage they’re showing the arrow is 3/4 of the way to 7/8 of the way to the pig before the pig moves. And with the fast arrow it already been through the pig. So he’s playing a bait and switch, because he wants to prove his conclusion that he’s already set his mind on. The point being they’re not using fast arrows.

[@tompeplinski]

@@_jurist you are correct. I don't know about the bait and switch but showing video of a slow arrow to prove the point that you can't beat a deer is not a good test. Even a slow arrow at very close distances will beat a deer and they can't drop. The faster the arrow the farther you can be from a deer before they can react. Simple science and physics. But if your whole youtube channel is based on promoting heavy arrows, then you prove your point by showing heavy arrows not beating a deer. Then all the viewers who want to also believe that heavy is better jump on the band wagon.

[@timothylove8839]

@@_jurist That's a very fast bowl he has then.... But in all seriousness I believe you are missing the big picture of what hes trying to say. I believe he means that a fast arrow might get there sooner but it wont penetrate far enough to actually kill it, while a heavy arrow may get there .18 seconds slower it will drive its way through whatever is in its way (being that it has the right broad head for the job)

[@MrJjfriz8]

You guys are hands down my favorite channel on here. Shoot'em straight this season fellas 🤙

[@wolfpack4128]

Glad to see you guys talking about this. I did research with Dr. Grant Woods and actually created a device to simulate drop. Speed is important for range. The rule of thumb I found is your bows speed in FPS/10 = max range. This will get you in the range of 3-4" of drop from the animal which I consider acceptable. We had a 430 fps crossbow that was able to hit a water filled balloon at 40 yards that was simulating a deer dropping while aiming at the middle of it. I'm an engineer so probably in the minority but I love to see the lab work as much as the anecdotal (though a large amount of field experience is certainly considered good data). This topic is very interesting.

[@troydebruin1651]

Ii watched that video. Very cool. My question is do deer move because of bow noise or because of arrow noise. Deer hear all kinds of noises that should make them drop and they don't move. Send that arrow down th we y go. Maybe ranch fairy could test by shooting a way from pigs to see reactions from them. Bow or arrow noise

[@wolfpack4128]

@@troydebruin1651 our theory is the thunk is what causes them to start to drop but the whizzing sound is what causes them to keep dropping (sometimes until their chest nearly hits the ground) and what makes them turn away. I was looking at doing a video with them looking at different fletchings and recording the sounds but it never materialized. The skinnier vanes seemed to produce the least noise. Would be a cool topic for them to cover.

[@stephenballard3759]

This debate about quiet bows vs fast bows was a big deal 20 years ago. I'm positive that quiet bows (and heavy arrows help quiet bows down) cause animals to jump the string LESS, and less severely, but there is no bow/arrow they can't hear. So, nothing prevents it entirely, not even a heavy arrow out of a super-stable longbow or whatever. And, I'm more and more convinced that the ARROW noise is just as bad as the bow.

[@jowho9992]

@@wolfpack4128 Mathews Chill x 30 "DL 63 lbs DW 415 gr. arrow at 285 fps. I placed a voice recorder at my bag and shot out to 60 yards the arrow sound during flight is not the problem. Shooting at animals that are alerted/aware something is wrong is the problem. Uncle Ted has proven accuracy and STEALTH are the ingredients for success year after year, deer after deer. Yes, yes he has.

[@agi6521]

When I started bowhunting, back in the mid 90's, we weren't worried about speed, we shot heavy aluminum arrows and COC broadheads. I was shooting a 2317 with 125gr head with feathers.

[@aaronhall765]

James Green.... Oh but the 90's had the overdraw bracket and superlite arrows and the need for speed was born....

[@agi6521]

@@aaronhall765 yea I never messed with those overdraws!!! Dangerous!!!

[@rondell130]

I started with Easton XX75 2117 broomhandles. LOL They didn't go far.

[@aaronhall765]

@@agi6521 oh my Ben Pearson Spoiler, came with one.. It was awesome for that time.

[@curtissheffield4485]

Ranch is a dang hoot looks like u guys are having fun and learning a lot enjoying watching

[@feralgrandad4429]

My two favourite archery channels in one place. Win-win.

[@Talonthir]

So I can only say that after watching this, taking a light super fast setup into the woods is like taking a knife to a gun fight. As ranch fairy puts it take an "adult arrow" with you. I can only liken this to taking "a gun with you as your arrow" during bow season. There's no better way to put it! Love it THP & Ranch Fairy. #THP&ranchfairy4life!

[@christophergalemore1644]

I started changing things up with my arrows last year and you guys have supported my thought process. Looking forward to opening day of bow season this year. I thought I was the only hunter with this issue. Close and heavy shots is the way to go. Aim and send the train! Good luck guys!

[@michaelmcelhinney691]

15yds and in the frontal shot is the most devastating. Prime example is from the guys at Whitetail Adrenaline. They have had crazy results.

[@michaelwinans6351]

Good info. I was a 125gr hunter for years. Wasn't till I started messing around with a recurve and having long track jobs or losing deer that I was told about the benefits of heavy arrows. Made a world of difference. Wouldn't use anything else with my compound or recurve now.

[@richardwhitfield6202]

I heard a PSE rep at a hunting expo one time say a deer has a reaction time so fast a bow would have to shoot in excess of 800 FPS for the arrow to beat a deer at i think he said 25 yards - the trick is a quiet setup - string can not twang away and accessories can not rattle

[@dozierlester3971]

Speed of Sound verse Speed of Arrow. Sound Always Wins. Good video guys

[@zachshefelbine2299]

Love the videos with ranch fairy! Just make him a part of the hunting public already lol so after watching the videos I'm curious to see what your guys setups are gonna look like in the fall. In my opinion you should have a heavier arrow for the close up shots but keep a lighter arrow ready for the further out shots. Also let's see some more mushroom hunting videos. Once fall comes and you're scouting area you'll have plenty of opportunities at some edible mushrooms. Deer like oaks, well so do chicken of the woods, chanterelles, and hen of the woods lol and watching you guys pick some mushrooms to go with shooting some fresh veni would be cool. Idk just a thought I've had for a while. I know jake likes his morels, well there's more goodies out there just as good if not better than morels bud! Back strap with some sauteed hen of the woods is a pretty tasty meal! Love the content, keep up the good work guys!!

[@patrickstewart3255]

not sure of the channel Brandon so and so...with the Ranch Fairy they shoot a Axis deer at 110 yards with a 600 plus grn arrow...give it a search, The guy smokes a cigar and sips some good whiskey during the talks...Brandon Mcdonald

[@fredsalay720]

This is great information. I bare shaft shot my arrows and have gone up in weight but not as much as some of you. And will be going to fix blade this season. In the past I've taken deer in the suburbs of Pittsburgh with mechanical blades in them . Love both your channels. Some recurve action this year too for me!!!

[@oldgrumpyhunter]

Hi Guys. The information in this video is priceless. I have trying to get the same info out, but I don't have the videos of the animals dropping like you do. I can't believe how many times I've been told that if you have XXX fps you don't need good shot placement. As Troy said you need a "Plan B" arrow.

[@brycehiigel235]

Love seeing the actual live examples. Not just pictures. Gives a better perspective.

[@rondell130]

Great video. The slow-motion review is awesome. I do not believe that many hunters would expect an animal to react that quickly from inside 20 yards. On Earth, the speed of sound at sea level - assuming an air temperature of 59 degrees Fahrenheit (15 degrees Celsius) - is 761.2 mph (1,225 km/h) (Information from livescience.com). We will never beat that. Keep the vids coming fellas.

[@joehorton01]

Thanks for the content. It was a blast to watch. Would love to see ranch fairy get a buck on the next deer tour with you guys. Still waiting for an Oklahoma series.

[@neotoxo54]

“Any stick do for bow-good arrow dam heap work-ugh!” Tommy the Indian, “Witchery of Archery” by Maurice Thompson

[@stlbluesfan20061]

2019 was shooting 426 grain 7% FOC rage 2 blade. After watching that video when Aaron shot that deer and the arrow buried in the creek bank and along with all the ranch fairy videos changing my whole set up. When i get done with my new arrows next week. i will be at 628 grains with 15% FOC and running the magnus broad heads from the sharpening video.

[@vpjohnston]

Educational TV at its finest. Keep em coming fellas

[@houndjr40]

Watching you both last fall before you collaborated convinced me to get above 500 grains for my arrow setup. I'm only hunting whitetails so I don't plan on going crazy with $40 broadheads. I bought Magnus ser razor 125 grains and man these are phenomenal for the price! Lifetime replacement, thick blades and good width, and really sharp out of the package in my opinion. So far I'm loving the new setup!

[@drivenbyarchery8676]

Another great video. Found THP watching bill winke and iv been a fan ever since. You guys open my eyes to getting shot opportunities from the ground. Just started watching troy, but im a huge fan. Love the fact that he calls it like he sees it instead of just trying to sell a product. Iv always tried to keep my bow speed at close to 295 because thats been my sweet soot for accuracy with broad heads and that usually puts me around 420 grains with 100 grain head. I was shooting rage hypodermics but switched to sever because they seem indestructible to me and fly great. So from all the RFs videos im going to try the heavier set up this year. Still not going to the 600-700 stuff but i want to try and add the 75 grain inserts plus an inch to my arrows. Should add around 84.5 grains putting me at around 500 total grains and i hope around 285 on speed. Im a 30 inch draw shooting 70 lbs. Thanks for all the great info and cant wait for 2020 deer tour. Fyi Teds kicking yall ass on killing big bucks lol. Just poking the bear a little. And yes take the RF hinting with yall ( maybe on the public land challenge ).

[@lukecrumrine7517]

Maybe a list of some really good single bevel two blade broadheads so we can shop around alittle

[@bradbishop1893]

Rockin it with solid useful info we’ve come to expect. Thanks guys !

[@Rougar00u]

Pretty sure it's Ted hat that leads to his kill ratio.

[@EA.71]

Lol Ted is in the wildlife Matrix. He's a stone cold killer

[@Predatorbybow]

WF, you and I talked about arrow noise and string jumping. In my 52 years of bowhunting, I feel this is an important consideration. I've done video testing and there is no doubt about the sound and sight of an incoming arrow. Animals are 'prey' and always wound up and ready to get out of dodge. I'd like to see you guys do some testing with arrows and various color fletches, wraps (which I will never use) and bh's. There is no mistake on that 'hiss of death' :)

[@billmcconnell1737]

Great flick, you guys mesh together well. Having good sharp broadheads an a tuned bow is very important. But also shooting your set up enough to have the confidence you need to make the shot . When ya practice enough with your equipment it just makes ya feel calm in your mind to control emotions to pick the spot . Animals are so unpredictable, are they going jump it or dunk it. Turn away from it,that's all out of our hands. Great info in this flick. Season will be here before ya know it.

[@lastbreathtv4332]

Great analysis of this guys. Well done! Thanks Ranch Fairy!!

[@AlexM-so2vl]

Thanks for sharing guys. I’m liking the Ranch Fairy Tour 2020!!!

[@delculbertson2369]

Another great informative video! Thanks for sharing knowledge with us all. Goes to show you that we are never too old to learn. Stay safe, Cubby

[@bobbystevens4087]

Great video thanks Troy. You've convinced me I'm going to make the switch this year. I have a fantastic once in a lifetime Bluetooth hound Bluetooth count that I use on nothing but blood tracking. So really all I've got to do is slow it down lol.

[@timothyknutsen5212]

Love this stuff, give us more. Your set ups are awesome Ranch Fairy. Historically I can only remember a name when it comes to cut on contact and that's Fred Bear. p.s. I just bought some 150 grain wasps. Can't wait for opening day.

[@gregstabryla9945]

Agreed, never can tell how an animal is going to move. The only constant is that they will. Good stuff.

[@1up_olli]

Hey guys, loved the Ranch Fairy content! Great stuff and awesome information!

[@Bowsonthebrain]

Keep preaching !! Another great video thanks guys !!

[@unclemoe5733]

As an older hunter with 2 rebuilt shoulders, I'm stuck with a crossbow. But i still can hunt. These vedios are addictive and full of proven knowledge. My question is, with a crossbow, should i add more weight to my bolt with a heavier broadhead? Or just stay with the recommended 125gr the manufacturer suggests? Nothings broke here, my setup works well getting pass throughs. But i am using 3 blade mechanicals. Just wanting to be optimal in future hunt situations.

[@brianhebert2438]

You guys got me so fired up for deer season!! Gonna get to work on a heavy setup!!

[@haraldholmgang9810]

Longbow hunters typically use heavy grain arrows and broadheads. The English longbowmen used super heavy arrows. For my homemade longbow, I use a 160 or 190 grain broadhead.

[@danbuell492]

Nothing beats experience, and I know from mine that your absolutely right, and you explained it well. Thank you great video

[@adriankingston4338]

Im about to start getting into bow hunting this information is priceless for a beginner like me seeing how thoes animals reacted to your shots.

[@dennisknepp1616]

Made it to the bow shop yesterday to get my bow fixed. After it's all fixed I'm going to have to do a full tune. Asked about single bevel broadheads and double bevel. They had Magnus and grizzly broadheads. Looks like it might be time to do some weight testing. And decide on one.

[@donniewillis2926]

Dennis Knepp just order TuffHeads....you won’t be disappointed!!

[@jordanpowell228]

I have somewhat joined the heavy arrow club at 490 grains with the option to go up to 515 grain but i am still getting decent arrow trajectory. I am switching to magnus stinger buzzcut 150 grain as well. Good stuff boys

[@pab40sc]

Last year I went from 436 grains to 536 grains by adding heavy inserts. My FOC is around 15% and the best is the bow is quieter with this mass. Just saying and was satisfied with 3 deer with exit holes and short blood trails. As Aaron said shot placement and sharp heads are key.

[@hiitingthedream]

How Fairy said he doesn’t want to test at range, obviously everyone would agree the movement is only amplified but a point to be made is Momentum and KE. Your buddy the DIY sportsman did a video that proved that a heavier arrow maintained these features down range substantially better then a light arrow so even though you are slower, IF. You wanted to take longer shots you would still have substantially better penetrating power even at range. Something maybe to watch and be able to reference in other videos! Keep it up guys!!

[@scotthowell1356]

being saying same thing for years. xx78 fan love the channel!

[@michaelbruns3870]

After all these videos I'm now thinking about starting completely anew. Upgrade my bow, new arrows, new broadheads, and beefing it all up. Lost a public land Giant after taking a frontal shot at 12 yards last November. I never want to have that same feeling again.

[@TheK2008]

Hey Mike, if the bow shoots straight, no need to replace it. Unless you need an excuse for a new one.

[@GrizzAxxemann]

You guys have SERIOUSLY forced me to rethink my setup. First thing to go are the mechanicals, but I have a shit-ton of 350 spine arrows, with more on the way (bought and paid for before I stumbled across these videos) and no local/Canadian source for these really stiff arrows and inserts. Maintaining the 350s as my arrows, how heavy can I go with a fixed broadhead/insert/extra weight combo on a 30" arrow on a 65-70lb draw weight? Edit to add: Biggest critter I'll be shooting this fall is an Alberta Whitetail. Not super huge, but we have a couple of bucks cruising through our plot of land that are easy 250+lbs. Odds are good I'm not even going to see those, but a smaller buck or a doe are sure things.

[@donniewillis2926]

Go to Ethicsarchery.com and order a Ranch Fairy test kit. Also visit TuffHead.com and start looking at Broadheads. Watch the RanchFairy videos on heavy arrow and high FOC setups. Lastly go to Ashbybowhunting.org and read EVERYTHING!

[@theguyinmaine]

The slo mo was great. Had no idea they were so quick and could drop so far or turn so quick. Like a house fly, most think they fly 20 to 30 mph, their top speed is 5, but 0 to 5 is instantaneous.

[@flounderwetspot8524]

To be noted : Ted Miller, Troy Fowler, Dan Infault, combined with the THP boys, could get together and absolutely demolish today’s regurgitated societal hunting methods within any aspect of hunting. Seriously what a powerhouse team. And the sad truth, none of the previously mentioned get the recognition they deserve. Growing up watching all of those vhs hunting tapes ( you know the ones Aaron )and now here we are. You are the tapes. Epic!

[@lifebreadbakeryandminifarm2834]

Love the way you guys address exactly what the bow shop guys are going to use as arguments. And the experiences that you have to tell you that the heavy arrow/high foc build is enough gun to take out any animal in any situation. If you are shooting under 20 yards it shouldn't matter whether that's 220 fps or 170 fps (my actual fps when the bow shop guy argued against me going to high foc with 42 lb draw). Would you shoot an elephant with a .243 or a 45-70? Same concept as with bow hunting.

[@jonahclarke2885]

I am really happy about this vid I needed it thanks guys

[@michaelhill4301]

Great video! done that been there. Also had them duck the shot. It's amazing.

[@manvsdeer]

Frontal shots are something that I encounter slot, haven’t had the courage to act on it but with a setup like this it’s for sure possible

[@brookiesandbackstraps4244]

Great video, especially interesting to me as I lost a dandy 10 pt last year, 22 yards, calm, standing still. I have had jumpers before, but usually still a good vital hit. This one was so bad he almost laid down on the ground while he spun. I'm shooting 74 lbs, 30" draw and 560 grain 300 spine, and have blown through elk and deer like nothing was even there. The hit on this one was perfect front to back but hit high, went through both shoulder blades I believe, sticking out both sides. I waited overnight and trailed in the morning, 400 yards and never bedded, was back to checking scrapes at the end of the track. I always go for a low shot, and usually even if they jump I'll get something good, that one still haunts me. I think I would have had to shoot for the dirt underneath him to hit the sweet spot, who has the nerve to try that.

[@rox6385]

Excellent knowledge, great presentation!

[@TheHuntingPublic]

Glad you liked it!

[@joshuamarch2505]

Hi one way to get your bow to be quieter is by some yarn to your string. Just go to a craft store buy some yarn and take it and wrap it around two of your fingers around 12 times and and make two cuts that will make equal length of strands. The zip tie the yarn to your string you will be amazed how much quieter it makes your bow specially with your heavy set ups. It will help with the animals jumping the string.

[@Glaciershark]

This is great. I don't believe most hunters have grasped the concept.

[@corymattson6350]

Guys - I have shot over 140 wild hogs and ZERO jumped the string. I use a longbow with heavy arrows. Less than 10 of those hogs were anywhere near a feeder. Even with Whitetails they usually move AFTER the arrow hits. When I shot recurves mid 70s thru 1992 I did need to aim bottom low because the whitetails did duck most of the time. So slow - quiet - bows are deadly and have their place. Great shows though Thanks

[@monsterhog1118]

Good stuff 👍

[@noride11]

It's the freakin' Ranch Fairy man!!!!!! Hunting Adultery Encouraged!!!

[@baddazzriderturner3321]

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[@thatdude8344]

Im going from 425g to 550g this year. Super pumped!

[@rabbit5717]

I use Adult Arrows. Telephone poles. It’s not the bow shot that makes the animals dump, it’s the hissing sound coming towards them.

[@chrismuhlbeier6948]

@thehuntingpublic @ranchfairy - we really need to revisit this. Animal movement being unpredictable is avoiding the entire point. It's not is the animal going to stand there and take it like a 3d target - it's can a faster arrow minimize animal movement?

[@Pricecorey]

You guys should do a contest or giveaway, where you allow one of us to come on hunt with you, in the winner's home state

[@RustyShakleford01]

Gotta have ranch fairy on again in deer season.

[@yondertv3675]

freakin love this channel

[@dr_geraldm2115]

Absolutely gold. 👍👍

[@MrBowNaxe]

Love this! I can't wait to see more.

[@cosmic_parallax]

this video would have very different results if a fast bow with sound suppression was used. Those broad heads are extremely noisy and that arrow is not traveling fast at all. Not busting anyones balls but that bow has one string stop and no sound suppression. (limb silencers, string silencers.) This is the whole reason behind spending money and buying quality products to hunt with. If youre shooting a noisy arrow with fletchings and blades whistling through the air in slow motion out of a noisy bow what do you expect to happen? Its like racing a dirtbike from a pawn shop vs a name brand in the same class... Its the combination of speed, silence and the animal not seeing you release the arrow that keep animals from ducking a string. anyways.. just sitting here in quarantine giving out my 2 cents. Happy hunting everyone

[@pensnut08]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@DarxusC]

This is a very interesting argument. But I feel like it would be a lot more useful with more numbers. Like, how far can a deer drop at 30 yards, vs. various arrow speeds. One of the articles I find interesting on the subject says at 30 yards "Now if you speed up the arrow to 300 fps, the deer will drop roughly 8.8 inches by the time the arrow gets there." Which they say is within the diameter of the vitals, and therefore worth attempting to aim at a spot that will be in the vitals, whether they drop or not. Honestly, I think you might have a more valuable set of data, that effectively shows that if a deer jumps, a fast arrow won't save you. But the lack of numbers makes it less convincing. Edit: The deer numbers you gave us: 0:42 450 grains, 29 yards 5:05 420 grains, 25 yards What were the arrow speeds? What were the draw weights? Some people recommend 350 grain arrows for white tails, to get maximum speed out of your bow. These arrows are 1.29 and 1.20 times that weight. Would an arrow roughly 1.29 or 1.20 times faster have been fast enough, if you aimed at the bottom of the vitals? It seems to me, we're right on the edge.

[@TheHuntingPublic]

Thanks! We don't use numbers because we don't believe one can accurately predict how far the deer will move. Nobody knows the exact point the deer begins to drop on a 30 yard shot. In fact, some of them may drop quickly after the arrow is released, some may not drop until the arrow is almost there. There's no question a faster arrow will get there sooner but our argument is that there is no way to accurately predict how far or how fast a deer will move at the shot. It's possible to do this with a object like a water balloon or weight of some kind. However, every situation when shooting at a deer with bow and arrow is dynamic and changing by the second. Making it impossible to predict.

[@DarxusC]

@@TheHuntingPublic I feel like the answer would come from shooting at some deer right around 30 yards, with 350 grain arrows, and 60 or 70 pound draw weight, and aiming as far down on the vitals as you could reliably hit if they don't jump. And reporting how often that's successful. If that doesn't reliably kill, I think it would authoritatively establish that a fast arrow won't beat a jumping deer at 30 yards. Which I think would be incredibly valuable information.

[@HillTrekkerSarge]

Hunting feral hogs off a feeder is about the only way you can consistently hunt them and control them to any degree with a bow. They are very smart and learn not to make the same mistake twice. I am always amazed when an animal ducks so quickly when you release an arrow at it. That prey-flight response is instantaneous. I've had whitetail does do it twice on me and my arrow passed right over their back.

[@kygunner7579]

Heavy for calibur always hits harder and kills better even if slower speeds. I load my own rifle ammo and always lean heavier on bullet weights. Ive never used the wimpy 100 grain heads with my bow setups and have no plan to ever use them. Currently run 125 cut on contact heads with good success. Will be going even heavier in the future. 150's anyway.

[@justincowley84]

I shot a spotted pig one time, bout 90lbs at 72 yds. I was shooting 450 grains (including broadhead) at 248fps. That hog was broadside facing right. I shot and the hog jumped and spun 180° and i ended up with a perfect double lung shot facing left... after that i never took another shot over 20 yds on a hog.

[@judefuselier]

6mm FMJ with 50 grain brass inserts and 100 grain fixed broadhead for 520 grains, makes for quite a quite setup.

[@seanbalch7563]

Very well done video guys!

[@EdWolfram]

I know you guys are all about heavy set ups. I get to a hair over 77 ftlbs out of a 407g arrow at 292fps. If I remember you all are 700g ish and.... 220 fps? so 75 ftlbs. Is the kinetic energy not what puts them down?

[@jessemiller4844]

I agree that speed is not the answer. I shot a doe a few years ago at around 30 yards. She spun at the shot and I double lunged her on the OPPOSITE side I was shooting at.

[@jacksteele13]

Holy smokes that’s insane! 😂

[@richiecaelwarts7873]

I REMEMBER I USE TO SHOOT 2219 S EASTEN ARROWS WITH 142 GR RAZOR BACK 5S WITH MY OLD BEAR WHITE TAIL HUNTER SET ON 55LBS SHOT THREW A LOT OF DEER . I AM GOING BACK TO THE HEVER SET UP THIS YEAR THANKS FOR ADVISE I DONT KNOW WHY I EVER SWITCHED THANKS MUCH GUYS GOOD LUCK THIS YEAR!!!!!

[@Talonthir]

Why all the caps? We can read it just fine without it.

[@deardeer5215]

Awesome video guys, I did the math on this and even if someone shoots a speed bow that shoots 330 fps (actual) at 30 yards it takes .28 seconds. Even with a heavy set up that only shoots 200 fps at 15 yards .23 seconds, as you showed in this video they can move a lot in a 1/4 of a second, as you guys said you can't beat them

[@daltonfoley641]

I'm sold

[@brandongodfrey5920]

After watching so many videos and reading so many articles, I have no idea what set up is best. I have seen all kinds of evidence both ways. I think I've decided on a 450-ish gr total weight arrow including a 125gr Grim Reaper Pro Series 1 3/8" cut with 70# bow. No idea if that's a good idea, but it's what I've decided on.

[@peterweikel7123]

Keep em coming

[@SuperCharcoalangel]

Wish we had pigs around here (they are apparently here but no one I know has seen them). All I get to shoot at is pigeons, gophers, and coyotes.

[@southernvibes6533]

Been watching the show for 6 years never gets old but try to hunt hogs in Louisiana it’s more challenging I tell you something about those Louisiana hogs

[@Gumshara]

THANKS FOR SHARING LATER ✌OUT

[@rebelwolf72]

I agree with some of this as there are times a heavier arrow is needed for more penetration.However , making up for a bad hit is not one of them.If I were hunting bear , elk , or something like that , I would go heavy.Just like you said about the comments.......shot placement is most important.That being said , a faster arrow will usually hit a deer in the vitals more often than a heavier , slower arrow because the time for the deer to react to the shot is less.A miss that is 6" off the mark with a heavy setup may still be in the vitals with a faster , lighter setup.It's true you can't predict what the animal will do , but giving the deer more time to react by using a slower setup just doesn't make sense to me.This is the same dumb theory that some rifle hunters use when hunting deer with overpowered guns thinking they can make up for a bad shot & get the animal anyway.

[@RedBrow-96]

You cant beat the speed of sound!

[@keonfrey5560]

Guns can

[@steventanner1428]

I watched a friend shoot a mule deer doe at a little over 30 yards. She was nervous. She knew something was not right. By the time the arrow got there she swapped directions. He was shooting 400 grain arrows. He said his old Martin bow was shooting right at 300 fps. We followed her for about a mile and a half before we found her. We were talking about leaving and not pushing her anymore and coming back later when we spotted her. The arrow hit her high and well back and on the opposite side.

[@cdp50359]

Awesome video! #THP #RANCHFAIRY

[@stevenhackley92]

Love yall and i learn alot from yall