MECHANICAL BROADHEAD FAILURES! - Why Did We Switch???

We're talking about our experiences with mechanical broadheads and why we switched to fixed!
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[@jasonhumphreys261]

This series is outstanding. Just as entertaining as the regular content and arguably more useful.

[@creesh7728]

I’m a new hunter and this is great information. The analysis and proof through film was fantastic. Keep up the great work.

[@thomasjohnson7282]

Fixed on performance, did a great video of fixed broadheads and I recommend that video

[@sasquatchrosefarts]

Go read an anatomy book. I'm stunned any of these guys are thinking there is a problem with a double lung chest pass through, even if it doesn't hit the heart . It cuases double.pneumothorax, I cant.imagine they are running far. If you think it will pass through, get slightly bigger blades. Blasting a big hole through ribs isn't a bad thing. Expandable broadheads are for like people who wanna drink soda pop. Its water with fake flavor. Also, when you wanna break bones, you don't want a flimsy mechanism supporting the blades. I don't even know how they.make a long video about this

[@andrew63345]

watch all ranch fairy's videos!

[@benshingledecker5742]

@@sasquatchrosefarts I’m confused on the point you are trying to make

[@blacksrfm]

@@sasquatchrosefarts obviously you didn’t watch the video these guys are not saying that a double lung shot is bad not once did they say that in this video in this video they talk about and show proof of why they switched from expandable to fixed blade heads that’s it they literally say in the video they don’t care what you use this is them talking about their experience and why they shoot fixed blades now

[@joehorton01]

I was missing THP content. I think it was like 15 days without a video. Finally some consistent uploads again. Thanks guys you all are great

[@ANuts223]

Thank you guys for an honest, open, unbiased and educated discussion. Have shot fixed blades for 15 years and will never change.

[@davidelin89]

Thanks for pumping out the summer content boys! I find it super interesting and its a much needed break from summer chaos. Keep up the hard work and awesome content! By far the best channel on the tube!

[@dan24bids]

Thanks for covering this fellas! I've put together a new setup for this coming season, largely based on the data you guys have been providing over the last couple of seasons, and these recent videos are excellent theory reinforcement. I'm looking forward to the arrow video drop that you mentioned here. Thanks again!

[@mechanichandz8087]

thank you all! for what you do. i and so many other hunters and maybe even non hunters appreciate the thought process and effort you guys put in to make yourselves and others more successful and more importantly more ethical! huge appreciation here from california!

[@richardbritt3611]

Guys... EXTREMELY well done. BEST PODCAST EVER!

[@LifedomofaG]

Ha ha get it EXTREME (rage)

[@jonesboyshunting8673]

Great job guys. I have had some issues with the arrow passing through, broadhead going through but full length of arrow not. This had mainly been on two deer that were big bodied deer. One at 27 yards quartering away and the other at 8 yards (1 1/2 body fat on this one) and the point of the broadhead just came out. At that point it's was when I told myself I don't want that to happen anymore. I have been in touch with Troy and he had been a huge help to me to get the arrow flight perfect for broadhead. Keep up the great work guys.

[@ericwiitala5407]

Always good to see you guys and look forward to your videos w/Troy. I have never used mechanicals. Not that I wasn't tempted, but my first few experiences w/them were helping family or buddies track deer and had bad experiences. A couple never opened, one hit a rib and reflected through the guts and one bounced right off the shoulder. All shots under 25 yards. 2 deer we recovered and a couple lost. Meanwhile as I was hunting w/my G5 Montecs, I was sharpening them (cuz an older hunter showed me). I got a pass through on a deer and it went right through a rib. Then I noted the older hunter that showed me how to sharpen broadheads wasn't losing deer and getting mostly pass throughs. As I was looking into coming out west I noted that some western states don't allow mechanicals. So I took that as a hint and stuck w/ fixed blades.

[@TheLeisureLife2]

Lost 2 deer in one after hitting the middle of the killzone, went to G5 Montecs and will NEVER look back. Love this content

[@stephenshultz8173]

it is so nice when people give you actual information you can really use..thanks guys

[@droptine_4465]

I like how Zach mentioned realizing you need to make a change. I kept replaying a hunt I had roughly 7yrs ago, 10yards broadside and I remember instantly being shocked on how much arrow was sticking out of the deer. Successful hunt and went 50yds, but that was that got me questioning things. Great stuff guys.

[@montuckyman4982]

It's all about getting perfect arrow flight. Wayyyy more important than the weight or broadhead. Bare shaft and /or paper tune. Should be able to group bareshafts with fletched at 40 yards in zero wind.

[@keithqueen352]

@@montuckyman4982 not more important, JUST as important.

[@chasedickes7708]

This is literally killer content!!!! You guys always offer the best of the best!

[@OscarPerez-mn3po]

Bow Hunting WI winters can be tough, especially with expandable blades. Years back, a couple of hunting buddies using expandable blades lost nice bucks due to the blades freezing in place and not opening. Condensation, warm to freezing cold, not good on expandables. For that reason, I continue to use fixed blades, 100 grains. Works for me. Thanks for the interesting blog!

[@michaelpcooksey5096]

Love the discussion and honest talk. Love the round table, No king chair ... team everything... great!

[@lcjjr.6714]

Shot a nice buck with a 65# compound bow and mechanical broadhead 10 years ago and only got 6” of penetration. Thank God I gave him 2 hours cause it only punctured one lung. That was the last time I ever used a compound or mechanical. Went back to my 59# Fred Bear Kodiac Takedown recurve with Bear Razorheads or Muzzy Phantoms with a total arrow weight of 590 grains. Total pass thru irregardless of where I hit. Dead on their feet! Great video! .

[@puregameplay7916]

IF you hit them. Fixed blades like to do their own thing and hit 3 different spots with 3 different shots. Ill stick with my field point accuracy swhackers.

[@Kp-vq5vf]

Many years ago ( in the mid 1970's ) I shot with a broadhead called RAZORBACK 5, it was the best I have ever shot with. I hunted with Viking archery bow and with AMF VOIT Wingmaster bow and 2117 arrows and killed many dozen whitetails, hogs and exotics with these combinations and always shot Apache draw and never tried a mechanical release. Times have changed over the years I really enjoy watching your channels, keep up the great work and hunting.

[@Ufishinfeathiesp]

My first deer were shot with the razer back 5 too. I loved them! They made a hole

[@jeffnstephanieelder6620]

I use to shoot the razorback 4 and they was awesome they shot so good no issues.

[@Ca21431]

Dam I remember those when I was kid!!

[@singlestringstruggler1988]

I switched my set up when I started shooting tradbow. I haven’t gotten a deer yet with my latest set up 700 grains with like 340 up front 200 grain tuffhead evo on a grizzlystik tapered shaft with ethics insert outset system. Even if I do ever go back to compound I don’t see myself switching back to anything but the highest quality heads and components. Thank you guys for trying to help others understand lethality better. Troy has helped tons.

[@BackwoodspaOutdoors]

Good job on this one guys. Not a debate but a bunch of guys kicking around ideas and knowledge to improve. Not a rushed feeling like some of the podcasts troys been on. Best one yet on the topic

[@ifn30]

I dipped into the mechanical world for a couple years but found myself back to fixed very quickly. Never had a bad experience with mechanicals but am a firm believer in target shooting with the broadheads you will be using which is easier with fixed. The "flies like field points" on the packaging and the mechanical practice tip never made me feel confident. I've been using G5 fixed and love them. Cutting diameter is large and they are incredibly strong and durable. Each to their own but I'm a lifetime fixed hunter now.

[@h-minus2212]

Aaron makes an essential point early on - discipline requires experience. The inexperienced has not undergone the difficulties associated with a lack of discipline in shot selection and has the "out of body" experience when facing a high-pressure event. Great point. Also, Aaron's point about discussing topics that tend to cause disagreements among people is important and enlightening. Lastly, Greg still seems upset over losing that particular buck - a sign of deep respect for the animals he hunts and a desire to cleanly kill them. Much respect and admiration.

[@davemeise2192]

H-minus, great comments and I completely agree with you. Great guys and excellent topics.

[@lymanclark5537]

Total fan of the proper built arrow. Thanks for keeping the right information flowing!

[@402bonecollector]

I made the switch to a fixed blade last year and had great success! I was hooting a 300 spine fmj at 67lbs. This year I’m shooting a 200 spine storm element with a 150 grain Crimsontalon clever single bevel. My total arrow weight is over 600 grains this year and I’m shooting 76lbs

[@bowman8316]

Ive had 0 failures with my 614 grain arrows & Muzzy 3 blade 125gr 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 Great information guys ! Thanks

[@johnmcmorris1170]

I have been bowhunting since 1970. I used fixed blades exclusively until about 7-8 years ago. Dabbled with expanding broadheads and had the exact same experience. They would not pass through. I am back to fixed blades to stay. After watching videos on THP with Troy, I upped my game with extra weight forward of center. I sharpen my blades to the best of my ability. Much better performance.

[@mikeguy9668]

I got sucked into the expandable craze for a couple seasons to. Huge mistake, but I'm back to my single bevels

[@rudygeorgiamulesandcountry1594]

I'm shooting G5 Montecs out of my Excalibur Matrix 380. N0 problem with pass through. These are very easy to sharpen/reshzrpen.

[@jonahmosher3024]

Mike Guy Its interesting to hear so many people say this. I’ve used mechanicals since the vortex came out over three decades ago. Never had a penetration problem. Always complete pass through, and doing so out west where shots tend to be further. I believe the furthest a deer traveled after the hit was about 25 yards. Usually they pile up after about 12-15 yards.

[@mikeguy9668]

@@jonahmosher3024 then you've only hit perfect shots or you're lying

[@MrFsr1986]

@@mikeguy9668 why would he lie ? Accusing someone one of lying because they are a better shot than you doesn’t mean you should accuse them of lying. Geez .

[@paulhenry4865]

Great discussion guys, my son asked me the other day if he should switch to fixed blades and the first thing I said is to watch this video. I’ve been using the G5’s for a while now with success, but it’s nice to have him hear it from someone else. 🦌

[@johnstancato8785]

I love your guys's knowledge I love listening to you and learning from your mistakes and from the things you have figured out and have corrected and sharing that with us is so valuable thank you so much and God bless you all

[@ethan....]

I haven't started the video yet. But I've tracked alot of deer with my tracking dog for strangers just helping other people. Probably upward of 200 tracks in recent years. My stats I recorded over the years were 90% of unrecovered/wounded deer were mechanical broad heads and 75% were crossbow users. Thought the statistics I found here in Oklahoma deer country might lend a helpful viewpoint. For these reasons I don't use mechanicals. Most of the crossbow problems came from hunters thinking they could shoot 40-50 yards before the deer moved, but in most cases, the deer's reactionary movement before arrow impact caused the bad shots.

[@stephenballard3759]

Wow! People should listen to you. That's amazing stats.

[@robertwhite3752]

Thank you for bringing this up and thanks for that information. People should definitely be listening to you. You bring up a huge point here. I’m a crossbow hunter. Many young crossbow hunters, especially ones new to the game, think that just because the newer crossbows can shoot 400, 450, 500+ fps and can accurately deliver an arrow at 60, 70, 80, 100 yards into a “TARGET” think that those types of shots are okay on an animal, and they are not okay. I’m not saying that there’s never a situation that will arise where you can’t take a deer at 60, 70+ yards successfully with a capable crossbow, but I am saying that those situations are very very rare in all reality. Extremely rare! There’s far too many variables that come in to play when taking shots at those kind of distances on a live animal. Too many! I personally ran into the same young man several times just this last season who had shot three deer, 1 buck and two does in an area I hunt in. None of which he recovered (0). Then come to find out that he had shot the buck at 64 yards and the two does right around 70. The first thing out of his mouth was that his crossbow could shoot 100 yards no problem and he was using Swacker broad-heads because they leave heavy blood trails and do immense damage. That they deploy and open up to a 3” inch cutting diameter into the animal so even if it wasn’t a kill shot he would successfully be able to track the deer to wherever it died. I blame many of the manufactures of these mechanicals as well as many of the crossbow manufacturers for much of this BS. But, just like everything else in this world it’s all about profit and how much of their product they can quickly push out into the market for maximum greenbacks. Much of their marketing is highly irresponsible. Thanks again for your comment.

[@jrvane11]

Wow, a 60+ yard shot is just unthinkable to me. I'm new to crossbow hunting and consider myself to be an ethical hunter. I'm thinking 35 yards max.

[@robertwhite3752]

@@jrvane11 I have a Ten-Point RS440 Havoc. My arrows chronograph at 456 fps. I took a really nice doe last year at 64 yards. The only reason I took a chance on the shot was because she was bedded down. After that shot, I really kept going over and over in my mind of all the things that could’ve went wrong even with her bedded down at that distance. So I have sworn off anything more than 45. I just won’t take that kind of long shot on a live animal ever again. There’s just far too many variables for something to go wrong. Then you have a severely injured animal that may take days or even weeks to succumb to its injuries, more than likely by way of infection. A very agonizing and slow way to go. Not that I haven’t made bad shots on a deer before because I have, and if you hurt long enough, you eventually will also. But we want to avoid that at all cost. Like you said “ETHICAL!” good luck to you this season.

[@Mjones8383]

I've shot every fixed and mechanical on the market as of 2021 and I feel most comfortable with a 100gr muzzy 3 blade fixed. They are laser sharp and consistent in flight for me. Mechanical have always let me down, also I've started experimenting with aluminum arrows again and adding weight to the front of my carbon

[@rorynelson7548]

How about grim reapers?

[@Mjones8383]

@@rorynelson7548 yep, and they are ok broadside but are terrible at angles, actually had 2 skip of the same deer 20 minutes apart and didn't get a 3rd shot

[@woodsy3495]

There ya go. That's time tested arrow setup wisdom you're utilizing with the weight up front. Glad to hear it.

[@jakeyots1626]

Great news I’ve never had a problem with them and that’s what I use and what I’m going to keep using for a while

[@waynelavaley6479]

thank you, guys, loved it keep up the great work

[@pamelapelech3249]

Excellent footage on soo many hits. Looking forward to my next hit. Thanks guys.

[@whitetailhunter7202]

I was a hard-core expandable bowhunter. After watching this and see the big deer we have running around here now. I don't want to experience a "Greg Tragedy". I've got time, I'm switching to fixed blades and heavy arrows.

[@kenruppel85]

Same here but switched 3 years ago. Once you start experimenting you'll be surprised that it's not as bad as you may have thought or at least what others think.

[@YouTuber1g]

I really like my Magnus Black Hornet setup. I switched to them this summer and they group as well as my field points. Cant wait to use them this fall!

[@yourmomma2995]

fixed head i agree, but you dont need real heavy arrows for deer. i shoot 370gr arrows and i cant remember the last time i didnt get a pass-thru. i think never since i switched to fixed heads, high foc will make your arrows shoot a rainbow trajectory. i prefer a faster, more balanced, flatter shooting arrow.

[@jonhamilton2796]

Last season I used rage for the first time after using fixed blades and lost what would have been my biggest deer to date and maybe ever. 10 yards slightly quartering too and unfortunately hit shoulder and the arrow fell out. I'm shooting magnus stingers this year and never going back.

[@whitetailhunter7202]

@@yourmomma2995 I went all in. I went from 420 grain before to 825. Very minimal "rainbow" even at 50 yds. Now my bow is EXTREMELY quiet. Never going back to light arrows. Arrows make no sound either, until impact. I set up a camera at the target to make sure.

[@fulldrawfanatic]

Thank you all for discussing the things that should be obvious but we often overlook or don't think deeply enough about.

[@brycehiigel235]

After I watched an arrow practically bounce off a shoulder area never recovered the deer. I had shoulder surgery had a lot of time on my hands and found the Ranch Fairy. Still green on archery hunting but he answered a lot questions I had been thinking and not knowing where to go to or ask. Thank you for your real life experiences

[@bigblock67camaro]

Been there, done that. I was on the Grim Reaper train for a long time and after loosing a 140+ 8 point (Monster 8) that was the end of mechanicals for me!! back to the cut on contacts, yes there's more time in tuning, but it's worth it! Edit, Hunting shows will never be this honest due to the money involved in Sponsors, this is why this channel is always my first choice to watch.

[@davidkanalos6710]

Spitfire and you will have no problem 😊

[@btlietz]

I shot my first buck with a bow three years ago and lost him. He was about 130-140 inch ten pointer and I hit the scapula with a hypodermic. Got about 2.5 inches of penetration and he ran into the neighbors property about 400 yards later and then the rain came and we lost blood. Shortly after that I started watching your videos with Troy and haven't looked back. Thanks for the great content.

[@wolfyrupe4031]

Last year was my first. Got a large 9 pointer. Your shows have helped me tremendously! Thank you!

[@curtisj.pacejr.579]

Thanks guys for all the awesome view points. I was shooting the spitfire for a couple of years, really liked them but never got a pass through, then one season on an angle shot I saw the arrow hit and the back end kicked forward. Hardly any penetration, never found the buck. Last year started shooting the HMR at 580 with Magnus. 3 pass thru and watched them fall. Never going back.

[@brettwelch8368]

started bow hunting with a rage, last year I had a deer take a step as the arrow released (super slightly quarting to). I hit the scapula and it just bounced off. This year im trying a fixed 3 blade for the first time and looking at the ironwill 2 blade. if this year goes well, plan on trying those out!

[@edwardbird6030]

Something that wasn't talked about is, for me, the importance of an exit hole. I hunt from a tree stand so the exit hole is always much lower and now there are two holes pumping blood. WAY too often, the expandables just don't penetrate that far. No bueno!

[@jonahmosher3024]

Interesting. What is your setup? I have never had a problem with penetration. Always a complete pass through with mechanicals.

[@buck16]

I get complete pass throughs on all whitetails, big Canadian Moose, Woodland Caribou, and Bison with a 2 blade Rage.

[@bigblock67camaro]

@@buck16 That's anecdotal evidence.

[@bigblock67camaro]

@@jonahmosher3024 That's anecdotal evidence.

[@arthurdirindinjr1792]

Only my first hand personal experience but about half my friends shoot rage mechanicals and undoubtedly less than half get complete pass throughs most of the time And yes the shoot properly spined arrows and all shoot a bow with at least a 65lb DW most 70DW or above. I feel this is the norm with MBH's because back when I still watched hunting shows I use to be utterly amazed and shocked at how the vast majority of shots I saw using Mechanical BH's has such poor arrow penitration

[@davidschlabach79]

I learned a tough lesson on the very first bull I shot in 2012 using a mechanical broadhead. 10 yds quartering away, shot placement look perfect but deflected off a rib & stopped at the shoulder blade. Had 1 drop of blood where the bull should have been laying dead. I switched to fixed blade in 2013, shot 3 bulls in 3 consecutive years with fixed blades, 2 out 3 died in less then a minute, 15 yds from the shot. Fixed blade all the way for me. Keep up the good work guys, I love your authenticity!!

[@jcmxs4]

Just had this same conversation at archery shop a few weeks ago. Went back to fix blade last year and much happier with results

[@marcdianeruble5820]

It's good to hear the truth and you guys are telling it. I shot a doe in January at 20 yards exactly where I wanted . I shoot a crossbow which has a 175 lbs. pull. The arrow penetrated about 4 inches. I waited awhile before I tried to trace her. I never saw that deer again. I am a seasoned hunter, been at it for over 40 years. When I started bow hunting I was using a 45 lb. recurve and all the deer I shot with it penetrated better than the one in January. You guys keep up the good work. Marc Ruble

[@puregameplay7916]

so you hit a shoulder blade and THOUGHT you had a good shot, and you werent using something with a chisel tip. 300+ fps crossbow with 150gr 3" swhackers will pass through a fucking elephant, facts.

[@marcruble4613]

@@puregameplay7916 Nope might have hit the shoulder on the opposite side. Number one I was there you was not, number two I don't have to use vulgar language to make my point,,

[@puregameplay7916]

@@marcruble4613 man, you can literally get passthroughs with the practice point ffs, still has a 1" cutting diameter. You had a different experience than literally 99% of swhacker users lol. Cant even be your bow being too weak cause I shoot passthroughs with a 50# longbow on deer with a swhacker.

[@GloriousPPT]

You shoot a crossbow? Are you a woman or disabled or just gay?

[@WMBCS]

@@GloriousPPTfound the poor guy. One in every group.

[@corbensquirrel8245]

Ive been waiting for this

[@roneddins8395]

Thanks guys you helped me make up my mind to go back to fixed broad heads. You answered a lot of questions.

[@thebigbuckslayerr579]

I'm glad talk are informing people. I personally learned a lot from yall and the fairy about sharpening broadheads . I have more confidence now sharpening them right out of the package then I ever have . I shoot montecs g5 and I can usually use them multiple times and shoot multiple deer just sharpen and reuse . But the arrow setup stuff you all have talked about was very helpful too. I'm a seasoned hunter and these are the videos I like ... learning things ... not just a kill . So thanks guys

[@hunteremery236]

Ever since expandables came out Ive had my criticism on durability. After 4 or 5 years of hype and seeing ridiculous blood trails I had to try them out. It's like you guys said, they're pretty much one and done. Bent blades, screws falling out, rubberbands getting hung up in my quiver, etc. I shot an 9 pointer that was slightly quartering towards me at 11 yards with one and I went back to my Muzzy fixed blades that night. My arrow went in right behind the scapula, got about 5 inches of penetration, and then fell back out. I'm guessing it was a rib that did me in, but it should've been a single lung/liver shot as I had harvested many deer from identical shot placement previously. Instead my target buck was harvested two properties over two days later and the guy said he didn't even seem effected. Save your money and get a sharp/durable fixed blade broadhead. Happy hunting everyone!! 🦌🦌🦌

[@kencleg7721]

Good point ol man here fixed hunted w a guy from Michigan he used zwakkies 145 s he sharpen and used the same blade over 50 times I’d loose or retire the head before I went thru all that. But just him tough fixed blade. Lots of game to include pigs

[@buckimmel3159]

I tracked deer commercialy with a hound for ten years. I had two other trackers I worked with recovering deer, bear, turkey. 2005-2015. Seventy percent of our tracks came from rage broadheads.

[@ethan....]

Same here man.

[@JimBowSlice]

I've had rage work for me on a couple of occasions, but I've had them work against me enough times to never hunt deer with em again

[@mrdrenalin69]

It’s all about blade sharpness and shot placement. I’ve tried several brands of expandable broadheads over the years, and most of them, brand new out of the box, won’t shave hair.

[@pizzahunter808]

On the Indian Head Navy Base they did a study and they had a much higher recovery rate with mechanicals over fixed blade broadheads. fixed blade heads aren't as lethal.

[@coreystoner4129]

I have been using rage for the last several years and have done quite well with them. Placement is always key but I’m going to design a arrow for single bevel shots under 20 yards for those oh shit shots on game. Going to work with my local archery shop to get a half dozen arrows ready and get the correct broadhead set up. Probably going to run iron wills with a bleeder

[@tinfoiltim7593]

I truly appreciate all your opinions on the broadheads! We shoot both compound and crossbows, learning a lot. We were shooting the Rage NC for the crossbows with good results but they are much faster then our reg bows. Still we saw some were they veered after hitting the deer! Rather from bone or whatever. Anyways thanks for everything

[@jeremyjames249]

Great video, Been shooting G5 montecs for the last 17yrs, complete pass throughs every time!

[@frankgulla8782]

I love you guys and agree.....but I've had insane success with the 100gr 2" cut swhacker. Over 13 deer all pass through (70lb bow) 28" dra, tiger arrow weight. It's crazy, most run 25 yds, stop and look around like what happened? Then tip over, very effective, I think with a heavy arrow, and the blade not opening on the entrance makes this possible. With that said I have 2 packs of 175gr tooth of the arrow XL sitting on the shelf begging to be shot! Keep up the great work boys, thank you .

[@turbidplayer1019]

Almost same set up every deer I've shot with them died literally 50 yards away even the ones I've hit in the shoulder. With that being said I would change to a fixed if I shot at a pig or anything bigger than a deer just because I'm not gonna get that pass through I would with a deer

[@tray22]

I 100% lost a deer because of an expandable. I shot at an angle and the arrow appeared to deflect and go down the hide. I switched to the G5 Montec and stuck with them for most hunts. I have tried a few other fixed blades but I always come back to the Montec.

[@fishingjoe683]

Montecs are what I have shot for years after a 2 complete failures with a spitfire and a rage hypodermic. I even use them crossbow hunting now. Just a great all around broadhead

[@tray22]

@@fishingjoe683 the ventless montec heads didn't flyby well out of my cousins xbow but the standards were within 1" of his field heads and consistent. I have complete confidence in montecs even though I moved to cutthroats. Only reason I switched was for better steel and ease of resharpening.

[@erichester9076]

Thanks so much for all the great information, I'm 56 years old and like a lot of others have killed a lot of deer with fixed and mechanical heads. The great thing about good fixed broadheads are they don't fail like a mechanical head does sometime when striking bone and at sharp angles. I switched back to a fixed head a couple of years ago and now shoot the QAD Exodus 125 gr. and I can say that one of my biggest archery bucks I killed with the QAD Exodus made it a whole 28 yards with a complete passthrough with a great blood trail if you actually needed one. The stronger and sharper fixed blade broadheads really do make a difference for me. The QAD Exodus is very sharp and extremely tough and this is what I'll be sticking with as long as I can keep getting them.

[@triggergriffin]

Awesome material guys keep up the good work. I’m definitely a believer from experience also. My son and I have switched he’s a freshly new bow hunter and I want him starting out right and this is definitely the ticket.

[@christopherkrog6367]

Really appreciate all the content guy's really great stuff!!!!! I was just like you started out shooting Muzzy fixed and went to expendables and now back to heavier arrow and fixed again? All because I was having same problems as you were. Thanks again for all that you do to enlighten us with the information you bring to us all keep it coming and a million thanks!!!!! Chris

[@codysimon1505]

Awesome honest content guys keep it up! Can't wait to send a Tuffhead through one this fall!

[@WhatwedointodayOutdoors]

Awesome video, facts, real life moments. I started bow hunting in 2000 at 12. These videos hit home for me after going through exactly what you guys did. 40+ harvests on deer and one black bear 125 gr thunderheads+aluminum super slams. Not one wounded animal. Sharp kills and does it very effectively. My question to myself from looking back is why did I switch anything? Carbon and mechanical(3blade rage) was my biggest mistake. Lost 2 does 10 ringed at 15 yds. 3rd doe was at 25 yds 10 ringed went 20 yds painting the landscape red. 33% doesn’t cut it and is unexceptionable. Compromised and went to a 100 gr thunderhead and Easton fmj. I’ve been tweaking and getting back to what I used to shoot. Shoot a gold tip kinetic kaos with a 125 gr slick trick now. Total weight of 650. It’s been doing as good as old days. I think I broke because of my feeling that well this is supposed to be better, unfortunately it wasn’t. I bought some 125 gr iron wills and will be using them this year. Might update to 150 wides. You guys try any of the wides? These videos help me switch to new and better things+ save me money. Carbon and 3blade rage has made me have some trust issues lol. 👍keep up the good work guys!

[@jennaflattery298]

These boys are super awesome! Great part of our community!

[@jasongobbell3578]

The Ranch Fairy and you guys changed my mind long ago and are also responsible for Bringing most of the Bowhunting community out of the Expandable Fog!

[@wiseguysoutdoors2954]

I went to the G - 5 montecs 5 years ago and it's performance has been flawless!! Easy to re sharpen and re use. We have 3 blades that have killed 2 deer and one that has killed 3. Never one failure and 3 animals have been shot through both shoulder blades, both lungs and exited the far side. 2 of the 3 dropped in their tracks

[@jessemiller4844]

I love the montecs. I shot three pigs with them and the last one went down within sight

[@samboozer4099]

I started using Schwakker 252 fixed blades 3 yrs ago . I have 3 left , all 3 have 3 harvest each on them . Just sharpen and reuse . Wish i could find these broadheads again .

[@woodsy3495]

That's some pretty good performance with those g-5s. I tend to stick with broad heads that approach the traditional 3-1 ratio. Nothing to fail.

[@joeysanchez7318]

I had bad luck with deflections with the Montecs and the blood trails were below average at best

[@nazahwillis1349]

I’ve shot two deer with the g5 montecs, both left no blood trail and got almost no penetration, of course I shot them right out the box and didn’t do any sharpening myself but I personally won’t use them again

[@russellwatters5891]

Alot of useful information, I can relate to the failures, unfortunately I don't hunt bow often enough anymore but I appreciate the info. Love what you're doing ❤️

[@darrelbarnette3216]

Such an enjoyable video to watch. Experience trumps marketing, and you guys have it in spades. Thanks for sharing!

[@FullDrawOutdoors]

Yeah, I'm with you guys. I shot rage for many years. I was able to recover all my deer that I hit with them except one. What I noticed with a 30.5 draw 70# mathews bow. That deer within 20 yards I wasn't getting a pass through. An it made no sense. I shot deer at 5 steps and it would get stuck in their shoulder. I loved the blood trails, but if it didn't at least poke out the other side the blood was no better then a small fixed blade. Since I switched to a heavier arrow and a good fix blade I was able to smoke my biggest buck to date. Right at 20 yards clean pass though and I had to look in the dirt under the leaves to find it. No more mechanical for me. Ranch Fairy has given me the confidence to take those quartering too shots again.

[@montuckyman4982]

The close shots not penetrating is most likely due to poor arrow flight as the arrow is still kicking. And the fletching hasn't gotten control yet. Bare shaft tune and/or paper tune no matter what broadhead you choose

[@FullDrawOutdoors]

@@montuckyman4982 nah same thing at my doe at 35 yards….. I do bare shaft tune, to much expansion not enough power to pull it through. Shoot what you want though I don’t judge.

[@dualthreatoutdoors]

Very much respect for the 3 stories you guys told. I’ve found every buck I’ve hit with ease, with grim reaper whitetail specials including a mature 7.5 year old buck on public land here in PA; I just can’t justify switching when I haven’t had a failure in the 6 years I used them

[@sawyerwilliams2174]

It will eventually happen…these guys just gave you video evidence showing proof. My good friend lost a stud on public in Illinois this past year. Die hard rage guy. I smoked a giant that evening shooting 640 with an iron will. Watched him fall 60 yards from my tree. He shoots single bevel now.

[@dualthreatoutdoors]

@@sawyerwilliams2174 actually most of their failures were with rage and some off brand Zach was shooting. I think it was Aaron who had shot spitfires for years with no issues

[@shadyroids]

While I was bow hunting I used the whitetail specials all pass throughs on every deer i shot. But i shot heavy arrows wanting penetration thats it didnt care about speed. lBut I agree its a bunch of off brand/ new styles with failures is what it seems.

[@dualthreatoutdoors]

@@shadyroids yep same here I use the heaviest Easton axis arrows. My bow is down from 350 obo to 291 but for the damage it does I’m good with that

[@sawyerwilliams2174]

@@dualthreatoutdoors mechanical devises fail. Regardless of they brand they fail. Period. Shoot what you like but I’m not shooting that garbage. Iron Wills all day.

[@randytanyahermann2268]

Glad you guys are talking about this.

[@thecaptainonline]

Awesome content guys!

[@connorrisenhoover1380]

I've had the same experience with mechanical's. Started off shooting 3 blade muzzy's on an aluminum arrow up until probably 2011 or 12, then switched to light arrows and mechanical's and killed quite a few deer with em but also lost several that were good quality broadside shots, so I switched to hybrids same story shot several found most but lost a couple. The real kicker for me though was when I shot my first really good bow buck he came in directly behind me chasing a doe I had to get stood up and make a 360 degree turn and sit on my gun rest bar of my climber with this buck and doe inside 10 yards! The buck actually caught my movement and we had an intense stare down for what seemed like several minutes while I was shaking uncontrollably, lol...l finally I got turned around and drawn he was quartered away I aimed for the opposite leg and let it fly hit right where I wanted and got what I thought was decent penetration long story short didn't find blood for 80 yards and found the last drop over 3/4 of a mile from the shot looked for 3 days and never found him. So needless to say i started doing research and actually found Dr Ashy's study! I instantly switched to a heavy 500 grain micro diamer arrow and a 175 grain fixed blade and have gotten nothing but pass through s ever since and my recovery rate is perfect to date that being said I try to take ethical shots only and only shoot 30 yards max! but that's just me have plenty of buddies who still shoot mechanical's and we get along just fine they give me crap about my heavy setup and I give them crap about there flappers lmao.

[@nevrslo1556]

When you practice with a mechanical broad head and it penetrates the target maybe 10 in and then shoot a Magnus into the same target and it completely blows through the target and out the back , you know what the choice is

[@bigblock67camaro]

Which Magnus you shooting? I'm thinking of moving over to those over the old school thunderheads I am shooting.

[@nevrslo1556]

@@bigblock67camaro I like the reg stingers , 125 grain , they are extremely sharp and extremely accurate

[@ehhh11]

@@bigblock67camaro Stingers and black hornets are very good broadheads. I like the bleeder vanes. Very effective on moose and elk as well as deer. Great choice for broadheads. NOTASPONSOR.

[@cwpres]

I've been bowhunting for 14 years now, and I haven't had the same expierience. I've hunted moose, bear, and whitetails with mechanicals. I'm sure you guys have shot many more animals than me, but every time I've shot an animal with mechanicals, it has been a complete passthrough and a quick kill. I like mechanicals for the accuracy. I shoot 70+ lbs draw weight, and fairly heavy arrows (500+ grains), so maybe that makes a difference.

[@african7498]

Just watch youtube videos - see plenty poor penetration with mechanicals - PLENTY

[@stevearttus8164]

Great discussion. This type of information is better than a target test or sales pitch.

[@jacobmclean3261]

I’ve shot nothing but mechanical broadheads ever since I started bow hunting. I have noticed on quite a few that the blades are absolutely eat up with chips and bends. And on one occasion I had an experience like ranch fairy where I shot the same deer twice. I never really questioned why that happened I just told myself it must’ve been a bad shot but hearing this conversation is making me think very hard. Watching you guys has really been eye opening and I’m definitely switching over to shooting fixed blades. Also I’m very intrigued about the heavy arrow setup and I’m definitely going to be experimenting with that too. Great topic, great conversation. Love the content keep it up!

[@adamg5800]

Unfortunately I had to learn all of this on my own when I first started bow hunting, first deer I lost, show placement was great but no penetration, had great blood for about 40 yards then a drop every 10-20 yards and then nothing and I tracked the prints in the dirt for ever and never found it, second one I shot with the same type of broad head, 30-06 blood bath, aimed slightly high sense I was in a tree, arrow deflected off the rib and went up so came out even higher than the entrance even though I had to shoot on a downward angle, luckily it didn’t deflect too much and I was able to recover the buck, however I said right then and there I wasn’t using a mechanical ever again, I figured the first one was a fluke and maybe I hit the shoulder or something but then I got the second one and seen it not only deflected but also closed up on the exit hole, I knew it was just unethical for me to shoot mechanical broadheads and I wanted fixed blades, I can’t afford to go spend it all at once and just jump into a set up like y’all are using but I am using the magnus stingers and have 500grain total weight arrows, when I get better arrows I’ll add inserts and get to that 600 grain, I know ranch fairy absolutely hates carbon express, but I’m using carbon express pile drivers and with the magnus stinger 150 grain they’re flying great so far, I went from getting about 4-5 inches of penetration on my target to shooting through my target and having to dig my arrow out of the dirt behind the target, needless to say I had to get a better target lol and I am very happy with the results so far

[@IntuitiveUniversity]

I'm Totally agreeing with you guys through personal experience. I'm Making the leap to Single Bevel this year. I've Shot Mostly G5 Montec and Rage expandables. I've had good and bad with both. The G5 have Been bone crushing but have had small blood trails. This year I'm hoping to keep improving the ethics.

[@pizzahunter808]

If you were having trouble before with blood trails why would you go to a single bevel you should go to a rear deploying mechanical instead.

[@jcarry5214]

Have you picked a single bevel blade yet? I've got some Grizzly stiks that shoot unbelievably well and they're really, really tough. Harder to sharpen because it's high grade tool metal if you get the black ones, but they are horrifying when you get them all the way sharp. They are not cheap but I've got eight and none spin crooked even the 2 practice heads with chips out of them. They don't look that rugged but they are. Don't give them away but they have great sales on their site pretty often. Folks have lots good to say about cutthroats too, but I got some used and they didn't spin as well as the used grizz. Probably not the fault of cutthroat though. The only thing with single bevels if that you're better off going with a decent cheap double bevel like magnus than a cheap single. The thin edge just rolls over like a trained dog if its discount steel. First bad word I've heard about g5s, interesting.

[@IntuitiveUniversity]

@@pizzahunter808 I'm considering it as well. Good thing we have a lot of hunting on front.

[@IntuitiveUniversity]

@@jcarry5214 no bad word on G5 I just haven't had mega hols with the montec. Don't get it twisted. They zip through deer and are killer.

[@jcarry5214]

@@IntuitiveUniversity no harm intended, I’m never going to buy any, just surprised, they’re really well liked. No skin in the game for me it’s just learning pluses and minuses.

[@austinbowen9331]

Great content THP and RF. After watching a buck my buddy shot last year not die with 3 rage in it, 2 stopping at bone I went away from mechanicals. As a western hunter I'm not shooting 600grs plus but 504grs. You guys do what it takes to hunt and put animals on the ground.

[@TruthAboutHeaven]

Really great - informative video. Best I've seen in a long time. From years of experience hunting with rifles and bows ... no matter what species of animal you harvest ... you WANT pass through! Case in point: I shoot whitetail deer with a .30-06. I used 180 grain bullets for years but because of shoulder pain a few years back, I dropped down to 150 grain bullets for lighter recoil. I shot 3 bucks broadside with the 150's, and in each case, the bullets expanded before exiting the other side. All three deer were very hard to find because of a minimum amount of blood to follow, OR ... blood trail stopped completely. Shooting 180 grains -- always get passthrough and a GREAT bloodtrail to follow when shooting the deer broadside. (AND a lot less meat destroyed due to bullet expansion inside the deer with the 150 grains). I've never hunted deer with anything but a fixed broadhead, so wouldn't know what a mechanical broadhead might do. The "principal" of a big exit hole sounds HUGELY WISE ... but if the thing isn't allowing pass through, I say it's a DETRIMENT. Again - thanks for your video. I think VERY helpful to bow hunters.

[@papajohnsy6659]

Let me guess, 150 core lokts or power points? Maybe a blue box federal? If you do not understand the physics at play to make a proper bullet selection then that is on you. I can load an 80gr in a 243 and get pass throughs on any shot within 60 degrees of broadside. That's just down to knowing how to select a bullet with proper construction.

[@bpwhitetails]

One thing I’ve found that massively effects performance with mechanical broadheads is proper arrow tuning. I’ve had great pass through shots with a tuned arrow shooting expandables and horrible penetration when not tuned well. They fly like field tips..You really can’t tell if your not tuned well without looking at flight with a slow mo video or something. I keep broadheads and expandables in my quiver now. Broadheads for ground and pound public land stuff.. and exapandles for small parcel hunting where I’ll wait for perfect placement because I need the deer to die inside the property lines. If I hunted a different state with larger farms and parcels sizes I wouldnt hesitate to completely switch to broadheads. In my opinion it’s so cool having so many to choose from for everyone’s unique hunting situations. Great video guys! Real life footage is the proof 👍🏻

[@OvertimeGamers218]

After 3 years of hunting with mechanicals to give them an honest chance im going back to fixed . Mostly because I hardly ever get a pass through and im heading mid west after elk and If it won't pass through a whitetail it surely won't an elk

[@jcarry5214]

I live in Elk country, people kill elk every year with other people's mechanicals in them. You made a good choice. Looking at a deer in the woods is like seeing a medium-large farm goat. A bull elk is like a crossbred sport horse or a small steer. 100 percent different ballgame.

[@bdewyer]

Nice job guys! Thanks!

[@michaelkidwell570]

I’m a die hard mechanical guy but started with fixed you guys are making me won’t to go back!!

[@neightcast]

I hate to hear this for you guys. I’ve been shooting mechanicals ever since I started bowhunting and I’ve never had any issues with them. I use vortex 2 3/4” cut broadheads and have had enormous success. I’m glad you guys have found broadheads that you feel confident with though!

[@chrisruzsa2798]

@@greghunt876if you have a penetration problem your setup is too light. Passthrough is a passthrough.

[@realdeal1512]

Shot vortex years always dead deer but now but looking at fixed since no more vortex

[@rykerpuckett2883]

@Greg Hunt fixed blades will fly just as good with tuning, and the penetration is much better.

[@WMBCS]

@@rykerpuckett2883you aren’t hunting grizzly bears. Deer are super thin skinned

[@patrickhenry236]

​@@WMBCSdead is dead. There is no such thing as arrow overkill. For as thin skinned as deer are, and how easy, it is amazing so many are lost every year to arrow and broadhead failure.

[@jasonbrotzman4229]

I was curious if you guys ever shot the Sevr mechanical broadheads. If you haven’t I was wondering if one of you would would be willing to try them and give your thoughts.

[@TheSpeyfisher]

I agree! I shoot 125 grain 1.5 SEVR and it's killed every thing for me. That is from deer, turkey and Elk! I love the rear deployment of this broadheads as well as the blades lock! Stainless steel very strong versus aluminum!!! Anyway, great discussion..... thanks

[@mr.happyfunguy3772]

Stuff like this puts how blessed I am into perspective, as I haven’t had an issue with mechanicals… if I do I know where to come and complain! Happy Hunting, Grant H. H.

[@lancecantrell9847]

I changed my arrow setup a couple of years ago to the heavier arrow and heavy up front after hitting a doe with a mechanical that should have been a lethal hit. It wasn't and I never found her. I think what happened is when the arrow hit and the blades deployed they hit the shoulder blade and the arrow stood straight up instead of containing through the chest. Shot was taken at 18 yds, slight quarter to from a treestand. After that day I switched to fixed blade broadheads. After watching videos from THP and Ranch Fairy, I went with the Magnus Black Hornet. Since then I have taken 5 deer and watched all but one fall. It was my first mule deer and I messed up the shot. No equipment failure, just operator error. I did get him though. The others were shot anywhere from 12 to 25 yards and the farthest recovery distance was 35 yards. Thanks for the great videos guys. Waiting for the next one.

[@gehlforce1226]

Rage hypodermic, never lost an animal with them. Deer and Bear. Excellent accuracy with them.

[@aaronchastain4668]

They had to change broadleafs because Rage already pays too many content producers. If they want feed the family they need sponsors. Rage has harvested 1000’s and 1000’s of deer. No problem with fixed blade except the age old battle with accuracy.

[@StealthTRD]

Yea thats what i use an only issue ive had is when i make a bad shot

[@duanehensley5353]

I’ve used Rage Hypos for years. Have been lucky that my shots have mostly passed through. Massive hole. But, last 2 years my son and uncle both hit deer that had horrible results from same broadhead. One literally bounced off of the deer. Barely went in. Time for a switch. Cut on contact is ideal

[@michaelcancilla9539]

Welcome to the good side

[@sdichampion]

Absolutely happens. Mine went into the garbage.

[@bpwhitetails]

I’ve had the same issues but I found out it was due to a poorly tuned arrow.

[@dylansluis7684]

I shoot the QAD Exodus... its a great penetrating head with plenty of cutting diameter

[@bpwhitetails]

@@dylansluis7684 I've had good luck with those

[@harryharrison6496]

Love the content and the interest in broad heads. Great teaching and learning.

[@dougr2279]

That was awesome thank you guys ❤.

[@alexsmith4853]

What Zack said about the cross bow broadhead not opening, last season I had a 8 point in front of me and I watched it for 4 an half hours before it came across the feild to me and I took the broad side shot at 45 yards and I had a pass through but I wasn't sure if I actually hit it cuz I didn't hear that smack you hear. It just ran 100mph into the woods 😂 but I was disappointed cuz it was my biggest buck so far with the bow and I thought I messed it up because there was 0 blood like not even hair or anything and I backed out after looking around for my arrow and blood for 45 mins and it was getting dark. So next day I had 2 of my buddy's come out and it ran over 150 yards with a double lung it and my bolt was gone I had another with me and I knew right away when I saw the whole it didn't open it was like you took your 2 fingers and poked a whole straight through it.

[@jakef1977]

I've never had a good feeling about mechanical broadheads. The first time I picked one up a buddy had it felt cheep and flimsy. I shot Wasp back in the day then I switched to Muzzy fixed 3 Blade and I'm still using them 20 years later. It's not broke and I'm not fixing it.

[@bowman8316]

Same here brother... bad to the bone ! 🏹🦌👍🏼

[@barkingspider2007]

26:30 minutes in and, the topic of aiming forward above the leg is discussed... BINGO! Glad I hung around till the end. : )

[@ChasingGreen]

You guys are changing the game, i love it 👍🏻

[@chuck8586]

I really need the THP crew to talk about hybrid broadheads now. Some of them really are the best of the both worlds

[@billcrites7423]

This video was 100% spot on. Can't beat cut on contact broadheads. I don't care what all the " expandable guys " think.

[@shadowdawg04]

Your not caring, is that suppose to impress us...?

[@cray-z7404]

Coc mechanical like SWAT X-MAG BROADHEADS are the ticket !

[@woalmann6288]

Awesome show fellas! Heavy arrow with fixed broadhead is the way to go for me. 530 grain total arrow weight: 125 grain QAD exodus swept blade with 75 grain brass insert out of a 70 pound bow hits like a train. I got hung up on arrow speed years ago but lost 2 deer and I went heavy.

[@BnDahas]

Great talk, learned a lot thnx lads

[@danielbrinkmann4901]

This video is a year to late. I lost two bucks last year in the beginning of the bow season. ALL I HUNT IS PUBLIC. THESE WERE GIANTS. Smacked one of the shoulder blade blade first night of season, no penatration, and then 2 days later. A different big buck and mechanical didn't open I think, center of body(I was scared to hug the shoulder). Looked all night and next day for both.. both would've been biggest bow bucks of my life. I quit bow hunting for the rest of year and have switched to fixed. PAINFUL LESSON. Learn from them and me.

[@jongoodhue]

Same thing happened to me

[@romeolima5339]

Vortex mechanicals never fail, cant fail, impossible to fail. Fly like darts massive wounds. Best broad head ever made.

[@marshallgiroux5828]

Slick trick 100s. Tried and true do yourself a favor and get those

[@aww221b]

Sounds like you need a gun

[@rorynelson7548]

That happened to me this year

[@jonahmosher3024]

After reading most of the comments, I’m really interested in what setup everyone is using to not experience complete pass through a with mechanicals. I used to pull 75 pounds, but I’m down to 65 pounds now. But have never had a bad experience with mechanicals. Always complete pass through and always complete devastation. To be honest, I have much better luck with archery than with rifle.

[@bowhunter4893]

Im wondering myself ! i shoot 315 fps with a 390g arrow and always pass throughs. Did clean a deer with a fixed blade stuck in the shoulder bone. A mechanical would not have passed through either .It all depends your shooting abilities and some luck when bowhunting.

[@woalmann6288]

@@bowhunter4893 absolutely I agree! I started going with heavy arrows because I started to hunt hogs alot at night with a red light on my bow and it’s not very often that a perfect angle presents itself when you put the light on them and it’s go time. Once the light hits them Big solitary boars around my are give about 2 seconds before they get spooked and roll out.

[@tannerharris1483]

Classic case of user error and ignorance and they’d rather blame the broadhead instead of their lack of knowledge about their setup.

[@mattkruger5712]

Glad to see someone else calling this somewhat nonsense. My experiences are the exact opposite of the message in this video. I have seen 10 ring fixed blade shots with absolutely no blood, 4-8 hrs to find deer. I have seen behind center line shots with a large cut expandable where the deer died in sight. No broadhead is perfect for every situation. I will send my 425-440 grain arrows with a rage trypan on the end at any animal in north america at any resonable shot angle. I have put over 1200 inches of antler(not trying to brag) on the ground in North Dakota in the last ten years of dakota-sas subspecies(giant bodied whitetails) probably 70% of them with rage. I experience all kinds of shots, angles, situations hunting in the open prairie and have made some poor and questionable shots, a couple of which I would not have recovered the deer without a 2.5 inch hole in the deer. We have alot harder time finding my good friends bucks he shoots with montecs, then the deer I shoot with rage and shwackers. I have killed a couple deer with expensive fixed blades that I used for elk hunting that season and watched those deer die as well. I have alot of respect and love the hunting public channel but this was alot of blowing in this video, so I guess this is me blowing back.

[@preacherbeeman3437]

Great conversation. Useful. Thanks.

[@boomerrangerron]

Great video and with Troy, the Ranch Ferry along with The Hunting Public team, these guys have a ton of real world experience. For me this season, I"m sticking with my fixed MAGNUS Black Hornets. My RAGE tips will stay in the drawer.