June 2017 Webinar - Hegel's Master-Slave Dialectic

[@ninja234panda]

could you expand a bit on why Hegel believes that the two self-conciousnesses have to fight each other in a life or death struggle. Thank you very much

[@GregoryBSadler]

You'll find much fuller discussion in my Half Hour Hegel series. Here's the site for that - halfhourhegel.blogspot.com/p/the-video-series.html

[@vinayseth1114]

Thanks for this. A few doubts this side: 1) Is recognition=validity? 2) Is the Thirst for recognition=Ego? 3) Is Reciprocal recognition=Love?

[@GregoryBSadler]

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[@vinayseth1114]

@@GregoryBSadler Thanks. Is reading 'Phenomenology of Spirit' enough for this or are there more of his works where he talks about the issues of recognition and master-slave dialectic??

[@GregoryBSadler]

@@vinayseth1114 Recognition is a major theme of Hegel's work. The Master-Slave dialectic is not

[@vinayseth1114]

@@GregoryBSadler Oh okay. I'm a visual artist slowly making my way into music, so I think it would be a good idea for me read Hegel's book on aesthetics. Shall complement that reading with Phenomenology of Spirit. Thanks a lot for the prompt replies!

[@myName-dg2qm]

Curious if you've given thought to how classical philosophy might relate to proclivity of different personality types. Something that jumps out at me is there there were so many schools of thought, and that different personality types might have been drawn to one school or another. Or if there might be some interesting relationships (given enough consideration) between different schools of classical thinking and models in psychology? If nothing else, throwing that out there as food for thought. Thanks for the great lectures! :-)

[@GregoryBSadler]

There are quite a few people throughout the history of philosophy who make correlations like that.

[@myName-dg2qm]

Anything that you find compelling?

[@myName-dg2qm]

Really, my intention is to put the idea out there. That this might be something interesting to think about, maybe even a focal point as an excuse to "reach across the isle" and have conversations with and consider, over the long haul, possibly working with psychologists.

[@GregoryBSadler]

It's not really a new idea. People bring it up pretty often. I'd start reading around - just start with a literature search - to get a sense of what others have already said on the topic.

[@myName-dg2qm]

"People bring it up pretty often." That's interesting. "I'd start reading around - just start with a literature search - to get a sense of what others have already said on the topic." I guess I just decided to check in with you first. Anywho, thanks again for your great content, and be well. :-)

[@anorderedhole2197]

My interpretation makes me believe Hegel had the idea of Stoicism and the immediate self first. He needs slavery to fill in the gap between the two because otherwise the stoic doesn't liberate himself from anything but liberates for the heck of it. He seems to spend less time on slavery and I don't think there are schools of thought that focus on the worker learning through doing. I actually don't know that for a fact though.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Well, you're certainly entitled to your interpretation

[@anorderedhole2197]

Well, I guess I have trouble taking Hegel at his word here that slavery is necessary for the development of consciousness. The only way I can take on this argument is taking a step WAY back and saying that slavery is this negative movement where the 'other' is imparted on us whether we like it or not. The unhappy consciousness as a positive movement where the 'other' is more or less part of our imagination. I think if I were to have Hegel's ear I would tell him to replace slavery with childhood where we are dependent on our parents and truly do not understand why. I guess my misgivings are from hearing Hegel quotes that where full throated praise of enslaving Africans.

[@GregoryBSadler]

Yep. Hegel had misguided views about Africa. The Master-Slave dialectic has zero to do with that

[@stuarthicks2696]

Just curious if Hegel uses the term dialectic or has it been called the Master/Slave dialectic by interpreters? Though Hegel and Kant’s ideas have differences do you believe Hegel got his idea of dialectics from Kant’s Critique of Pure Reason and specifically the section the Transcendental Dialectic? The way can’t used his antimonies possible Hegel using same idea in different way? Also why is the term sublation often mentioned as a substitute or as a corollary when explaining this phenomena of the two consciousness interaction in this lord/bondsman master/slave dialectic. I never hear real explanations for the use of the sublation term, just mentions of it.

[@GregoryBSadler]

As always, you should find answers by reading the actual text