JURASSIC PARK: Does the classic blockbuster hold up after 30 years? - Four Play Ep 37 (Money Shot)

[@eyemjp1991]

This movie would've been better with a werewolf break

[@aaronjohnson1922]

Monte, 100% on your side with this episode. Jurassic Park holds up and some of the critiques are very nitpicky. Such a shame the sequels and Jurassic World have mostly been mediocre to dreadful.

[@klklkl427586]

+1, i'm usually Thorin or Richard guy but here Monte. Looks like Thorin and Richard are suffering from watched too many movies sindrome, a but snobbish which is unusual.

[@Bartleby1892]

@@klklkl427586 they played it up for entertainment. dennis nedry did nothing wrong, that was hilarious.

[@AnakinTheWeird]

I'm 90% on Monte's side. #justicefordennisnedry

[@Blacktimus]

Richard dying while trying to keep the episode on track was a vibe

[@toonsoffun5733]

Jurrasic Park and divisive didn't think I would here these combination of words.

[@MoneyMakerD0g]

I’m with Monte on this one. Richard and Thorin have slain my sacred cow.

[@MoneyMakerD0g]

Also, Thorin really soys out whenever his ideology is challenged. At least Monte and Richard are patient enough to have an actual conversation.

[@eoghan375]

​@@MoneyMakerD0gtypical Ayn Rand fanboy bullshit. Would anyone ever really want to live in a world where the ideals of some angry ugly spotty ginger are realised? I dunno why I even watch this mans content anymore, he can't even participate in a normal conversation without interrupting someone twenty times a minute.

[@youri6371]

@@MoneyMakerD0g around the 1 hour mark it actually got a bit painful to listen to lol

[@aceguy1234]

@@MoneyMakerD0g For real, he starts wandering into some sorrta adrenochrome fever dream rant. And every woman or girl doing something well, saying something that's obviously a joke (women inherit the earth) is annoying or a slight to him like he's a 13 y/o boy. His take about how someone who believes in evolution saying "life finds a way" actually is believing in a higher being is one of the dumbest logical fallacies I've heard in a while from someone who constantly harps on logic. He was wack on this one.

[@milkman2266]

They’re not making bad points by any means but it’s still all subjective. I can agree with their thoughts on the movie while still adoring it myself. That’s the beauty of art

[@astar2394]

Thorins meltdown towards Monte is absolutely hilarious. Iconic film. Sure, not as good as the other 3 in the arc but still a great friday night popcorn flick.

[@astar2394]

Coming back to this a bit later - monte is 100% objectively correct with everything he says in this episode but at the same time i can see why this is just unappealing in every way for thorin and richard.

[@moze_-]

@@astar2394 That's the real issue. Thorin and Rich veeeerryyy often push the "entertainment value" with movies they like, but do not apply that to movies they don't have a particular affinity for and only analyze it from a good/bad perspective in terms of filmmaking, acting, etc.

[@uhmmmFU]

@@moze_- fun to watch tho. kind of the point lol.

[@saltifate]

imho the first one is the best, closely followed by the 2nd and... funnily enough the first reborn one

[@markoperic2346]

"How is John Williams not a go to name?" Hahahhahah

[@Shreddasaurus]

Dude believes in intelligent design, he's a moron. I have never heard or seen anyone not name John Williams, as the best/most iconic movie composer of all time.

[@CruxWTF]

this really was a spitroast vibe, yall should just let it out , i can feel the sexual tension, just tell monte to stop blabbering. I'm ready for the banter. edit: oh we did let it out. edit again: this episode was hilarious.

[@adamvalencik9683]

While I do agree that Monte could have picked something else for this arc considering what the other three films are (this should not have been the "divisive" movie but somehow it became just that), the way Thorin snaps at Monte is just wild to see. Sometimes he just gets so unhinged almost without a reason. It seems he has no problem with you... as long as you agree with him.

[@grandarchon6969]

He's great. The rants are why it's an enjoyable podcast. Triggered Thorin is why we watch. He's doing it for the show to be more interesting and entertaining. Would you really prefer his entire commentary to be, "the kids are annoying, the deeper themes were barely scratched, and not effectively. Ultimately, the film is for kids instead of adults, and I just don't enjoy it much. The special effects are pretty good though."? What would you like to do for the other 90+ minutes of the podcast?

[@PixelKatana]

If you really think Thorin the persona snapped at Monte on a personal level you haven’t been consuming their content for long. Thorin’s rants are hilarious once you get his style and let yourself be entertained.

[@CountCocofang]

It's just his way of talking when he is irritated. You interpret it as really mean but in his mind he is just making his point. It seems like he is aggressively attacking Monte but you have to consider he has Aspergers and his way of expressing himself cannot be fully judged through the lens of what's considered customary. Especially when something ticks him off.

[@IncomprehensibleFool]

We're all team monte here right

[@CatnamedMittens]

Nah, this movie sucks.

[@revesbystation8630]

Nope this movie was garbage

[@Mizzraim]

It's an ok fun flick, but not really something that special.

[@zacharyalan4977]

Mostly I think. The absolute grilling from Thorin probably helps.

[@Fillegubben]

I'm neither, enjoyed it as a kid/teenager and not planning to watch it again. And curious why it looks better than modern special effects.

[@Tlcampbelljr1]

I stand with monte on this one lol

[@RileyBruce_]

Thorin just railing on Monte's childlike wonder is so hilarious I love it.

[@kiwi5265]

My God does Thoring have some sort of Trauma watching this movie? Just full on screaming at monte for picking the movie lol

[@g1tno]

the concept of this arch is supposed to be films THEY ALL ENJOY. I think this film should have been a part of a different arch, it didnt fit the criteria that Monte himself proposed.

[@kiwi5265]

@@g1tno I know. It is still wild to me how mentel u can go 3-4 times in one Video about it and behaving like that. I mean if they can handle that good for them. But u can feel it gets akward after the 2nd rant

[@ruminate5866]

​@@g1tno wasn't the goal to pick huge box office success movies that each one of tbem liked respectively, not collectively?

[@Selendeki]

@@ruminate5866 I assume Monte told them what he would like to watch before they announced it, so presumably Thorin agreed to have that movie in here. That's why I don't get why he blows up like this, unless my assumption is completely incorrect.

[@webb2800]

Screaming at him? Did we watch the same video? Get a grip

[@PentOfLight]

Keep fighting the good fight Monte, this movie is gold.

[@Spirit47373]

I do hope monte and thoorin are okay he seemed actully upset. I have heard Thorin get this mad before tho and its normally because he is tired / something going on IRL. Really enjoyed the episode though, best film review show on the whole of youtube guys please keep making it! (was really funny to see Richard start shitting on the film then Thooorin lost his shit competely and Richard dialed it back)

[@Selendeki]

They're grown ups they will be fine

[@milkman2266]

@@Selendekithis

[@CountCocofang]

I think one thing with Thorin is that he really insists on people sticking to the rules and if they don't then it irritates him greatly. So in his mind Monte didn't stick to the rule of picking a great movie that everyone (i.e. adults) can enjoy. Also, since he has Aspergers I think his way of talking and addressing someone when he is a bit heated can come off as more aggressive and blunt than what you'd normally expect in that social setting. Since they have all been friends for years they are aware.

[@disturbed1734]

@@CountCocofang So he tarded out because things didn't go his way.

[@CountCocofang]

@@disturbed1734 Not his way. The way he thought the rules were set for everyone. If you watch the next episode, he says pretty much bang on what I described. He was annoyed because he understood that the rule was to pick a successful movie that all of them were going to like. Whereas Monte picked a movie that had no chance of all of them liking it.

[@ricardoosegueda9286]

"Fuck dinosours, they're for kids!" is a line that really sums up this episode. I think your outlook on Jurassic Park will vary drastically based on how old you were when you first watched it. I don't think it can be overstated the impact that this movie had on kids growing up in the 90s and even early 2000s. I respect the hell out of Monte for picking it and making an argument for why it still holds up. It also makes sense where he's coming from now that he's a father and is looking forward to showing it to his kids. This is Steven Spielberg showing us how cinema can be something magical and of course John Williams is the one taking us there.

[@darkmanap]

I was 9 when this movie came out and I didn’t like it at all, though I find dinosaurs boring personally that had a lot to do with it.

[@kiwi5265]

Dear Thorin 120:00 the whole point of the Dinos Gender Swapping has nothing to do with evolution but the fact Amphibia can change genders in a few days. Its just Cringe af if u start talk about Evolution. stop it pls.

[@CryoCare]

That is a mad take that each rollercoaster has an acceptable expected death rate of anything but zero.

[@saltifate]

When are we reviewing the Starship Troopers?

[@2Cows]

TeamMonte

[@NoradNoxtus]

thorin had a major soy out in this episode lol more than usual

[@CxerRy96]

To answer Richards question at the end, I'm generation 96, I vaguely remember watching this as a child, though I do remember being quite scared of it...watching it now, I think it holds up amazingly well, the choice of animatronics over raw CGI or stop-motion definitely helped a lot in actually making the dinosaurs look alive...they sometimes have dead eyes but it's not distracting

[@Rvbeus]

Jurassic Park slaps watched it a month ago and enjoyed it thoroughly!

[@The56thEmpire]

I first ever watched Jurassic Park at uni at the age of 18, so not the target demographic at all, and I was still blown away by it. Obvs had had the "They're moving in herds" bit spoiled because of the fame of the movie, but I actually started tearing up slightly when I saw it

[@bicknell1258]

RIP my man Richard, he was not prepared for that cannoli joke

[@mongolidp]

I used to spend a lot of time at my grandparents place as a kid. This was the only kid friendly movie they had that I got to watch on vhs. I saw this movie about 20 times that summer and I'll still put it on any day. Really fun movie.

[@printprint7559]

The girl being able to bring the park back online at the end of the movie was foreshadowed when her brother was making fun of her for being a computer nerd / hacker during the scene when they are walking together with Grant just before he discovers the eggs. The real problem with the computer scene is that Hammond who doesn't know much about computers says "shutting down the system" will erase everything that Dennis did. It doesn't make sense that Arnold who knows computers would agree with this because a complete reset of the system wouldn't support the scene of finding a file at the end that can magically reboot the entire system. If it was a true reset then everything down to its last byte would have been completely wiped including all systems both good and bad. On the other hand if it works the way the movie showed, then the bad stuff Dennis did should also come back as it was directly part of the system they are trying to restore. The supporting evidence is when the system was rebooted it even brought back his useless wallpaper for crying out loud. Dennis being underpaid was a problem, but the movie only shows that he is underpaid from his perspective. The real issue is that Hammond implied that Dennis had caused a costly mistake and wants him to pay for it. This is shown when they have their "financial debate", but no numbers are stated nor do they discuss what mistake he caused. The only thing we get from this is he made a mistake and now he owes Hammond a lot of money for it because he expects people to "pay for their mistakes". Thorin and Richard are right about the kids. Can't defend kids doing dumb stuff in movies because that's just going to happen. Mentioning the "Lysine Contingency Plan" and not immediately putting it into effect knowing peoples lives are at risk has got to be the worst thing ever in this movie. Even if it takes time to work or doesn't work as expected, Hammond should have done it considering the severity of the situation. I don't care if he has been there for the birth of every dinosaur on the island, his own grand kids are in mortal danger and he won't even pull the trigger to give them a fighting chance. Also his grand kids tackle him when they first meet and he falls down and doesn't sustain any injuries as an old man. 🤣

[@JustADerpfisk]

One of my favorite movies to this day. It still captures the magic for me after having watched this one dozens of times.

[@nhuxtable4019]

Subtitle: The Monte Spitroast

[@BornoftheSun89]

Awesome episode guys. I think one important theme that Monte tried to hit but I feel Richard and Thorin undervalued was the contrast between Ian and Hammond. Thorin and Richard suggested Hammond was inadequately vilified since he was portrayed as the jovial grandfather, while Ian was the eccentric, kinda gross sleazy scientist. I believe this was actually one of the better motifs in the film. John was the unrealistic, Icarus, corporate entrepreneur who looked great on the outside, checked all the boxes, literally wore white, but who actually ended up causing numerous deaths and tanked a groundbreaking scientific discovery due to his own hubris and greed. While Ian, dressed in black, gross, nerdy, obnoxious, doesn’t say the right things and is outwardly unlikeable, is the one who actually is accurate/right about the dangers of the project. The movie made me think of Billy Budd some in terms of placing the actual good guy as the objectionable appearing one to contrast the actual bad guy who looks like the angel, and making the audience mistrust their own intuitive views of morality. Their contrast also reminded me of some of the literature on corporate deception like on PT Barnum, into corporate advertising starting post-World War II. Appearances can fool you. That’s what a good capitalist entrepreneur does-they know what sells and they put themselves squarely in that mold. But Ian, the rogue scientist, is not concerned with the surface, with appearances, but only with the truth. So he’s seen poorly, condemned, like Socrates, because he’s objectionable, albeit right, in favor of the salesman. But in the end, the truth prevails over the facade. It’s a strong trope that has a foundation in critical theory literature on consumer/corporate capitalist society. Granted the delivery wasn’t great, and there wasn’t depth that explored the concepts to any great length, but the mere fact that a blockbuster movie introduced these concepts to a mass audience is impressive alone. It’s no masterpiece, but I agree with Monte that there’s more to this movie than meets the eye.

[@CatnamedMittens]

I look forward to these for my 12 hour shifts at the steel mill.

[@impulsive1252]

I think Monte makes a lot of valid points and defends the film quite well, but ultimately my experience with it is closer to Richard's. I just didn't enjoy this flick, probably because I didn't grow up watching it, as I saw it for the first time couple of years ago when I was already in my twenties. One of the biggest sticking points for me certainly were the children. They made the film somewhat agonizing to watch.

[@fluid1712]

Ah Brits don't like dinosaurs

[@NightsOfKyte]

I didn't know there was an extension to the roast arc. 😁

[@JawaPenguin16]

Its okay to fight back Monte...

[@soerenheriksen]

Dear Richard, when will the farming simulator host, analyst or caster gigs come your way? It’s what the world needs most in these dark times 😜

[@aardee175]

Even though I think Thorin went too far in attacking Monte. I'm totally with Thorin and Richard on this one. I was convinced this would be good but I hadn't watched in more than 15 odd years. It wasn't as excruciating to sit through as Magnolia for me but it wasn't worth a watch and I'll think twice before revisiting a childhood favourite again

[@TomSaysStuff]

Thanks for the gym background noise lads, gets me through every time! Unrelated but the Audiobook narrated by Scott Brick is excellent.

[@TDansVids]

Haven't seen a 2v1 this bad since the debate!

[@grandarchon6969]

Temple of Doom is greatly underrated. It's my favorite of the Indiana Jones trilogy (there's only 3). It is dark, weird, horrific, over-the-top insane, and I'm here for every second of it. Ripping hearts out, freaking out from all the insects and traps, flayed flesh, human torture, voodoo (in India).. it goes on and on. But at the end, the hero still defeats the bad guys, saves the child slaves, gets the artifact back to the people it belongs to, and doesn't quite kiss the girl at the end. Sure, you have to fast forward the raft scene. After that the movie is fire.

[@Eli-pw7dt]

What interesting podcast: just found this channel. How do these gentlemen know each other? They seem like professionals

[@FMD-FullMetalDragon]

I think that as good as this movie is for being a block buster spectacle and for a movie it's a lot of fun, it doesn't hold a candle to how much better the novel is.

[@TheDopoqob]

Best show on youtube back with another banger!

[@lazyraccoon1526]

Elon Musk needs to hurry up with the Mars colonization so Monte can live there with his clone family and teleporters

[@Affenpeter]

Thorin and Richard are too cynical for a movie like Jurassic Park

[@techdude210]

Loved the tension, really made the episode. Even if it was just the end of the work day for Thorin or something. Can’t wait for the next episode.

[@Krideezy]

Normally I’ve been disagreeing with Monte’s takes. But this time he’s right 😅

[@tingeyable]

Fuck me Thorin went hard on Monte in this one

[@Moonmoonpies]

Richard and Thorin really missing how character flaws manifest in a narrative huh

[@michaelyang4416]

The arguments in this video are so fucking funny

[@paul_bellini]

monte 100% correct

[@caiothomas]

Unofficial episode 5 of Spitroast right here 🤣

[@Cr3at1vem1nd]

Agree with some of Rich and Duncans points but mostly on Montys side. But the episodes were there is strong disagreements are the best!

[@Maddestmartigan]

"Hold on to your Butts"

[@RohitKumar-dq8fb]

Love this movie !!

[@marcelfunke7261]

Great conversation, looking forward to the next one. Love Jurassic Park.

[@suide3275]

Richard and thorin are just missing a little childlikewonder But good episode

[@karasunono9322]

Thorin was especially awful this episode, cant keep his ideology and politics out of anything, actually cringed irl

[@kiwi5265]

its so funny how moronic he is sometime. Exp. if he starts talking about evolition lol

[@adamvalencik9683]

Also the fact he even lashed out on Monte who dared to oppose him when he said that John Williams is not generally considered one of the most popular and lauded composers of all time is crazy. The guy who composed the themes for SW, Indiana Jones, Harry Potter, Superman that literally anyone knows.

[@Shreddasaurus]

​@@adamvalencik9683Actual mental illness from him

[@lewj0]

@@adamvalencik9683 he is not though, most people have heard of hans zimmer, most havent heard of john williams.

[@Newtypexz]

@@lewj0 they absolutely have, that's a household name

[@osiris-h3p]

One thing I'll say about the Gollum/Sméagol effects in LOTR and them not holding up. I recently watched LOTR in it's original 35mm format for the first time and it's the best the movies ever looked, the CGI effects blend in much better when you're watching it in it's intended format. Watching crazy high def upscaled versions of them in which they were never meant to be seen isn't really favourable. I'd imagine Jurassic Park would be the same

[@PKgazaPK]

Holy shit ive just seen the artwork between you 3, that is absolutely fucking amazing!

[@appleinator8065]

I watched it for the first time at 25 and still thought it held up. Im right with monte

[@Polyvalent]

The psychoanalysis of Thorin in the comments is golden. Very entertaining episode boys

[@ultraslowrunner]

Really enjoyed the first half as Monte came prepared for the trial. Thorin suddenly went on a misogynistic rant which promptly killed the discussion. Damn shame.

[@BadgerUKvideo]

Classic meme.

[@josephadcock7449]

Delightful to be back

[@moma026able]

I love how you guys must've had a discussion before announcing the arc about which movies you're going to pick for the "some of the best movies of all time" theme, and Monte saw you guys pick The Godfather and Goodfellas and went "I know what will go well with that: Jurassic Park" Great episode, but wrong arc lmao

[@walterlotte4215]

Haven't seen the movie since my childhood. I thought the movie starts with the helicopter flying to the island. xD Didn't know there was anything before, but I'm sure there is a reason why I don't remember.

[@infected89]

Thorin not understanding the Nedry situation, Hammond's character and the irony behind "spared no expense" makes his opinion as a critic just... painful.

[@jealius4340]

Next arc should be little known spin-offs of your "Money shot" pics, like the warcrime that is Jurassic Attack.

[@RohitKumar-dq8fb]

Hope they do Nolan discography sometime

[@2failepic]

39:09 Thorin starting to Roast Monte instead of the movie😂

[@moze_-]

He does regularly. Was funny the first couple times, but not so much after 37 episodes. Plus the, "If you're not specifically me or like me, you can't possibly know or understand anything on an intelligent level." every time he speaks about something and proceeds to make the same insult he's made towards whoever for the past 15 years lmao.

[@bamse5930]

Great episode as always. You should try to fix the mics cutting eachother off. Its really jarring and makes it difficult to hear, and turn thorins sensitivity down as well. Looking forward to the next one

[@stockbegone9671]

finally, I've been minging for a new episode ♥

[@fireelemen6]

Obviously it holds up, they spared no expense

[@smokerg4l762]

Holy fk this pick tilted Thorin so hard he couldn't hold back with the predictive programming angle lmfao. Fair play

[@M.L.official]

I love how the t Rex just sneaks up on the entire fuckin cast and nobody hears it come in and tear through the raptors lmao

[@sodaron]

I've not watch Four Play. I remember seeing Jurassic Park in the movie theaters in 1993 so I'll have to watch this episode.

[@supermightyllama]

"The idea of" 😂

[@garthmiller9716]

I am surprised Thorin isn't defending the franchise since he plays one of the security guards in Fallen Kingdom.

[@2905sid]

Would be cool if you reviewed Season 1 of Westworld. Great philosophical themes to discuss for hours at end.

[@V1sby]

As a Zoomer having loved this film since childhood and having read both of Michael Crichton's Jurassic park books, I think I actually prefer the lost world compared to this one. The books though are way better in exploring the scientific and philosophical themes which I found more intriguing as an adult.

[@NaZtRdAmUs]

Jurassic Park goes hard easily one of my top 10 films.

[@evolvedHE]

Amazing episode

[@Bscybfan1996]

poor monte just gets roasted 24/7 in this show😂

[@beatsbygadfly]

The spitroast continues of course solely on Monte 😂😂

[@Bleda412]

I'd like to hear more about critics the Horseman vibe with and enjoy. The criticism of Roger Ebert has been hilarious, but I'd like to find good critics in order to find good movies.

[@Alderr101]

This movie doesn't age that well in terms of acting and plot but I think the characters and special affects actually do, which is very surprising if you ask me before hand.

[@Selendeki]

Thorin had some hilarious rants this episode, but toward the end why is he catching feelings? You're gonna "get back" on Monte with Infinity War? What? Whatever, enjoyed the movie, enjoyed the podcast. Best podcast on youtube, btw.

[@JHAG94]

I watched the movie and its sequel a few months back and I really do not understand why this movie is still well regarded by people who have rewatched it as adults. Although the premise of the movie is intriguing and the cinematography and world building are great, the characters in this movie act consistently illogically and stupidly up to a point that it becomes frustrating to watch. In combination with the fact that most tense situations are predominantly caused or exacerbated by either the characters themselves or random dinosaurs that pop up in locations which make no sense at all, it made it impossible for me to suspend my disbelief. I absolutely despised the way the women and especially the girl acted in scary scenes, especially with the girl (and sometimes Laura Durn, or Ellie) screaming all the time at the top of her lungs, often in situations that didn't really make any sense. I don't think I've ever seen a movie before where there's this much excessively loud screaming. I also thought the woman was badly written in general, from how they acted to the things they said. The way the female characters were written annoyed my girlfriend as well. The scene where the girl is hiding in a jeep from a t rex with her brother and she grabs a torch light and starts waving it around while screaming, after being told that a t rex can't see you if you remain still (and quiet), was the especially frustrating to watch. The sequel is a much worse movie, so I recommend not checking that out if you didn't enjoy this one. Its even an even more nonsensical movie, but then without all the elements of part 1 that were good: the island, varying dinosaurs and world building.

[@ryderthibault8893]

Thorins argument about the big game hunter not shooting the raptor instantly could be taken as his respect for one of natures ultimate beasts researched later told us there not as apex as the movie shows but the big game hunter has accepted his fate out of respect of his enemy.

[@CountCocofang]

That's some anime shit.

[@dr80008]

Monte essentially made Thorin watch Gaules stream featuring washed Fallen on Furia, and tried to defend it as unironically good CS experience just because he feels sentimental towards this player... Justifying the choice for this theme with viewership numbers. All the while the other two picked all time banger matches casted by Anders & Semmler or Sadokist & HenryG. Spitroast theme is only fun once in a while. Frankly, I don't want to listen to Monte making a case for a kids movie.

[@fuar]

1:00:50 was outrageous LOOOOOOL

[@distantlights3510]

Was my first time watching the film, didn't have a lot of money growing up so never went to the cinema, family/kids films slipped by me unless i caught them on the tele, never had a reason to watch children's media now i have access to it. Full agreement with Thorin and Richard on this one, film annoyed me too much to find it to be truly good. It of course wasn't awful and it's insane that the effects work is so good but just far too many of those elements mentioned brought it down. A 6/10, to 7/10 is a fair rating, around what I gave Time Bandits. An aside is just that it would be super good if Thorin could record his audio separately so when he interrupts to start spewwwwing fire he doesn't get cut off by shitty discord audio :).

[@arcofokker]

love this

[@ziggle5000]

15:20 What deaths have happened on "big roller coasters" in the last 20 years? I'd love to know because I honestly don't have a clue what thorin is talking about here

[@jubjub6330]

Source: he made it up

[@CountCocofang]

All you have to do is look up "roller coaster fatalities" and you get many results. Average 4 per year in the US.

[@ziggle5000]

​​@@CountCocofangI looked that up. The stat is from 20 years ago and it doesn't list any instances, the same search brought up a different number saying it was 2-3 per year GLOBALLY. Thorin makes it sound like it's a common modern thing happening at big theme parks. In reality these stats are probably from roller coasters being setup in shitty carnivals going town to town. Feel free to list me 5 actual incidents since 2000 on any roller coasters at large parks like Disney or the like as thorin implies they just happen constantly. Should be easy to google right?

[@CountCocofang]

@@ziggle5000 Yes, as a matter of fact it is. 2023 Gröna Lund, fatality and nine injured in by partially derailed train. 2003 Disneyland, one fatality and 10 injuries at Disneyland after cars separated and derailed. 2004 Disneyland, three injuries after lazy safety procedures and trains collided. 2021 Top Thrill, several bolts were dislodged and a flag plate hit someone in the head, causing traumatic brain injury. 2023 Fury 325, a guest spotted a steel support pillar completely cracked and shifting around as the train went by, luckily preventing an accident. 2003 Steel Dragon 2000, a wheel came loose, causing someone to suffer a heavy back injury and another guest was hit by the wheel. 2021 El Toro, a train partially derailed but all riders could exit safely. 2022 it malfunctioned again, causing 14 injuries and an operator claimed that the cause was the previous issue that was repeatedly reported but never fixed. All of them some major, fixed roller coasters and huge attractions that I came across. Nothing but the tip of the iceberg. Many, many more fatalities. Note that many accidents that occurred during operation with guests but didn't result in injuries or deaths could very well have. And most injuries could've been fatalities. It was just random luck. Just logically speaking, it's completely impossible for something like a roller coaster to be 100% safe. There is always a margin of error and a risk the operators/parks are willing to take. It would be ridiculous to assume that they don't calculate how much they can make with a roller coaster compared to the potential damages they have to make up for because of accidents. You don't spend millions to build one of those things without doing that kind of math. Hell, even essentials like traffic lights are subject to cost-benefit analysis that assign a monetary value to human life and then calculate if more value in life is saved by a precaution or action than those cost. This is just fundamentally how these investments work.

[@CountCocofang]

@@ziggle5000 Yes, as a matter of fact it is. 2023 Gröna Lund, fatality and nine injured in by partially derailed train. 2003 Disneyland, one fatality and 10 injuries at Disneyland after cars separated and derailed. 2004 Disneyland, three injuries after lazy safety procedures and trains collided. 2021 Top Thrill, several bolts were dislodged and a flag plate hit someone in the head, causing traumatic brain injury.

[@TDansVids]

Richard, The Fabelmans is an incredibly good film. Spielberg's best in ages.

[@astar2394]

Tintin was a pretty great movie too.

[@christophersloane9959]

Don't think I've ever heard Thorin get into Monte before as he did in this. Fully with Monte though. The lads are overreaching a lot for their takes on it.

[@waffen98]

Justice for Dennis Nedry!

[@macoveisilviu1607]

a good ark would be: "Disappointing Sequels": Why they suck from the original.

[@g1tno]

lets be real WE ARE ALL HERE FOR THE THORIN RAGE - why complain about it. The PASSION, regardless of how it may resonate with us, it is mega compelling and thought provoking. Take that over milk toast takes forever and always.

[@reysolo3672]

I agree with all 3 of you but lean more on Thorin's (And Richard) side as someone first time. the argument that its made for kids is one I've heard made for live action Disney remake is contradictory since Monte as an adult enjoyed the movie even though it can't explore its themes since its black and white, it wasn't even a science error but fat one so there was a theme and plot mismatch. I should've just ended the movie at the Triceratops which I didn't get to see again, I thought it would come to save them. I finally know why what looks to be a pile of dirt meme is called shit now XD. as a " defense" xD - The T-rex showing up is cool factor and is a cycle- he was trying to eat them and now he saves them. At first he was supporting Malcolm now its supporting Hammond.