Just Call Me Knife Ears | Castle Super Beast 293 Clip

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[@MrPartyeagle]

My personal cringe dialogue favorite is when doing Tash's side quests eventually Rook starts saying their family catch phrase "shoka toh ebra" or something like that . And every time I see my elven Rook say that I just feel like they are a white Democratic senator crossing their arms and saying "Wakanda Forever!" in solidarity 😂

[@postapocalypse0763]

Hot Sauce!

[@Gh0stWh33l]

"JUST CALL ME A KNIFE EAR! AUGH! JUST CALL ME A KNIFE EAR!"

[@Kaarl_Mills]

"SET ME FREE!"

[@Zexx4]

​@@Kaarl_Mills "TRUST ME AND WE WILL ESCAPE FROM THE CITY"

[@TheShockVox]

@@Zexx4”I’LL MAKE IT THROUGH, FOLLOW-“

[@ApexGale]

Veilguard: we can do this as a team! BG3: Shadowheart attempts to jump Lae'zel in her sleep while Wyll and Karlach attempt to deescalate, Astation goads her on, and Gale turns back to whatever book he is reading. The Dark Urge is thinking about flaying them all

[@conspiracypanda1200]

Player: Does anything slightly moral Astarion: Darling, you is a bitch :)

[@megamike15]

thats the only time there is anyy reall confllict in the bg 3 party tho.

[@TruKriegsaffeNo9]

Fucking let her, Lae'zel sucks. Shadowheart, Astarion, and Gale are the only ones I liked.

[@kakoytazabar]

@@megamike15 I'd say there are more, depending on your choices. Like Shadowheart leaving, Lae'zel fighting your party in some choices and so on.

[@fillosof66689]

​@@megamike15they have a very, very compelling reason to stick around and not piss off the leader they elected to keep the whole sideshow of a party functional, that being the player character. You can use and abuse them as much as you deem warranted (or amusing ) and you can even kick them out, which is the only unrealistic bit since they really ought not to agree to that. I only regret the lack of a more intricate character reputation system that would have both positive and negative relationship with companions provide gameplay and narrative bonuses and maluses. Basically, a system from Obsidian's Tyranny.

[@christopherhenson50]

We’re a long way away from Alistair and Morrigan’s first banter conversation ending with Alistair going, “Couldn’t you crawl into a bush somewhere and die? That would be great thanks.”

[@JasoTheRed48F2]

I miss my evil wife...

[@jimbob1862]

I miss when companions just fucking despised each other. Nothing rubbed salt into the wound from breaking up with Morrigan or Alistair than the random dialogue the other would have just ripping into them for daring to be hurt by it. It also just made their actual respectful and civil convos in Inquisition feel a lot more earned.

[@krodmandoon3479]

Lmao saying we're a long way from characters being meanie bo beanies to each other when the fucking City Elf origin was going on in the same game is wild.

[@christopherhenson50]

@@krodmandoon3479 I mean if we wanna talk about that aspect how about the fact for the past 3 games Tevinter was set up as Slavery Central, only for you to get there in Veilguard and have it totally whitewashed.

[@ProvostZarakov]

​@christopherhenson50 to be fair it was just one district and it was the shadow dragon hq so it could be worse in other parts of the capitol

[@WeCareAlot4693]

I just want someone to call me a racial slur if I pick an elf, why's this gotta be so difficult

[@christopherhenson50]

@@WeCareAlot4693 In the Dragon Age setting it feels like it should be a hard requirement.

[@Kaarl_Mills]

​@@christopherhenson50 It used to be

[@Zanethepure]

What I'm picking up here is that Veilguard's dynamic would be more fun with a Wakka in there for perspective.

[@Dracobyte]

Or maybe Sera and Oghren...

[@ItsDigidyDan]

If wakka was in this game he would be a villain in a party members side story

[@Guile_The_Exile]

If HR was taken outta the room and had an "old yeller" pulled on them is what the game needs ☠️☠️

[@shadowfragment]

I would rather have characters with flaws and conflicts. It's okay to have a character or two be the straight-laced good guy/girl, but if everyone acts like that then there's no variety. Characters are my main focus in storytelling. Building characters, origin stories, character growth, that's what I care about. If I don't have interesting characters, the story is meaningless to me.

[@li-limandragon9287]

It’s why I prefer Iron Man or Spidey over Captain America. A character who’s written to be almost never wrong, is worshipped as the greatest hero and pretty much always has the moral high ground - even when they are often deeply hypocritical is simply unappealing to me.

[@Szriko]

@@li-limandragon9287 Wait, then why do you like Iron Man or Spiderman? Iron Man is just the comic version of Elon Musk and always right, and Spiderman is everyone's favorite minority who can never do anything wrong.

[@dancinginfernal]

@@Szriko That's the worst description of those two characters I've ever seen. Iron Man is a depressed, alcoholic arms dealer who feels immense guilt over the scale of destruction he's responsible for prior to becoming a "good guy" and taking responsibility. Spider-Man is a smart kid who lost his parents, is constantly on the verge of homelessness after school, and trapped in recurring life-ruining circumstances because he can't properly balance his work life, personal life, and hero-ing. Being Spider-Man is a miserable experience for Peter because of his grand tag line about Responsibility. You say "minority" to reference Miles probably, who is similarly bad at juggling his shit because he's a literally just a teenager. Being Spider-Man (Peter, or Miles) is to sacrifice your personal happiness to preserve others, that comes up again and again in those books. Both of these two are deeply, deeply flawed individuals who are just trying to do their best in spite of themselves.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@SzrikoTony is wrong so many times times, most of his comic arcs are him screwing up and hating himself over and over again while his allies (especially Steve lecture him). Spidey likewise is constantly struggling to do the right thing and often hurts his supporting cast with his decisions. I gotta ask have you actually read the comics or seen the films or just know about the characters?

[@triplesocks]

It's not just about character variety, it also makes the world feel boring and shallow.

[@chero666]

"Do these characters talk like people?" "They talk like they're from Portland." ... so... no?

[@Dracobyte]

What makes Portland people talk weirdly? I am not from the US

[@1000Tomatoes]

Not even people from Portland talk like "people from Portland"

[@Kaialb09]

@@RicochetForce It's actually made me realize that people on the east and west coast are the same in both the U.S. and Canada: east coast people will just tell it like it is, no sugarcoating anything, kind of in your face and you understand how someone feels immediately; west coast people tend to talk in a superficial way and act nice and not say anything even if they secretly hate something, so you can never gauge how someone feels.

[@ChanchodTierra]

DAO: Stan was pushing his religion constantly, Alistar and Morrigan hated each other, Zevran was the biggest piece of shit DA2: All did everything worse with good and bad intentions and Anders did the THING DAI: There is not good and evil, only consecuences and oh boy

[@Kosmiverse]

STAN That's great. That's what I'm going to call Sten from now on.

[@Dracobyte]

Remind me please, what was THE THINGS Anders did?

[@billyfig1]

@@Dracobyte Blew up a church and killing everyone still inside because he hated how the Chantry treats mages, kicking off the finale of the game.

[@Biodeamon]

the excuses of a manchild or someone evil is trying to convince people there is no good or evil like what might seem good is maybe not great, but BOY HOWDY there is definitly evil

[@CC-of5xl]

​@@billyfig1not just the people inside. I believe devs have come out saying they didn't have time to show the level of destruction from the explosion around Hightower

[@warzonice2300]

Pat says the SkillUp review gave him confirmation bias, which is hilarious. In said review, before saying literally anything about the game, he outright says like "Please do not just watch this review as your only takeaway of this game. I did not like it, but i know others that did." Pat did eventually see that someone else he trusted had a different take away, but its funny that for a moment he watched that review and just ignored that entire part

[@Dracobyte]

Yeah. For example Mortismal Gaming liked this game a lot.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

I mean he essentially said he was looking for confirmation bias, he was fully aware of what he did lol

[@conspiracypanda1200]

​@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeatPat loves confirmation bias for himself probably just as much if not more than Woolie loves racism

[@rng-mos2314]

it's funny that skill up had to put that in there like he was scared of upsetting bioware or certain groups of people.

[@dancinginfernal]

@@rng-mos2314 No, it was likely because of the hate circlejerk surrounding the game because of people who openly mocked the very conceit of having an enby character in the game.

[@ratking1608]

I forgot about how Woolie either can't or won't pronounce Kaidan correctly

[@krodmandoon3479]

Gaskwang

[@LieseFury]

aiado. far and few between. starboard. mamoru.

[@CosmicRejectsVideo]

Confirmed: You can't be Woolie's friend unless you call him a slur./joke.

[@unbidabyss2903]

"That's because we're pieces of shit Woolie!" - Patrick Boivin 2024

[@drunkdonkeydude]

Pat's interpretation of Gale feels so wrong, but its so funny that I don't even want to argue the point. Its easier to just lay in the bed and accept it, Australian accent, suicidal threats, and all.

[@cheapbstard]

i mean if you try to kick him out of your party (witch i did) he will say something like "guess ill just die then" witch made me kick him out even harder.

[@BorikeTheBlackDragon]

I don't know what abuse Pat must have been throwing Gale's way but two playthroughs with Gale as an active party member and he was always the second nicest person there after Wyll, he was just a romantic high on fancy ideas blind to what was in front of him and the consequences of his actions.

[@kurowasanabe]

Woolie's idea of Gale is Wyll, which is funny to me because he was pretty into Wyll when he played because he looked rad. Gale is the typical wizard where he has some intent to be nice, but if you just be a complete shit to everyone and just start murdering everyone he goes "well that's a shame, oh well at least you're ambitious". The man has a one track mind and he doesn't really care about how he gets there, which is why he ended up with a nuke in his chest.

[@SeruraRenge11]

@@BorikeTheBlackDragon Wyll is nicer than Gale but he's also infinitely more boring.

[@Zangelin]

@@BorikeTheBlackDragon Pat found out that he throws a temper tantrum threatens to kill himself if you sleep with him but say he was mid. That's pretty much all this is based on but it cemented itself deep into Pat's brain.

[@Jcheatsludanto]

My favorite part of many of these reviews is the sentiment that the dialogue feels like it was all written with HR in the room. It's funny to hear the guys get the same bit.

[@daevious_]

I know it's because everyone is copying the same review, but god if it doesn't feel cathartic to call it like it is.

[@CaptainGCN]

I mean… they get to the same thing because they literally say they’re referencing another review.

[@Jcheatsludanto]

@@CaptainGCN It's more about watching the meme spread. Watching something from one review hit a content creator and start spreading to other communities, all over the Internet. It's crazy to me in this particular case because the line was so good that it almost immediately entered every conversation about the game after it came out. I don't remember a lot of cases where one line from one review came to so totally encapsulate the discussion about the game.

[@Dracobyte]

You mean the one said in Skill Up review.​ @@Jcheatsludanto

[@patrickr.1433]

Like Skyrim with guns

[@DiranJiru]

I think the days of RPGs we crave for is when you can have the same personality of Dracula Flow quotes. “You ask me to shoot, I do it! I have no character!”

[@arempy5836]

@@DiranJiru "Shawty chose to be with a Demon. Sounds like her problem to me. Ha ha"

[@werewolf873]

"I don't even know who I am anymore, I'm making too much money!"

[@Oliander712]

Pat: "I like the writing!" *Has nothing good to say about it*

[@unversedhero6028]

Yeah, I noticed that too.

[@pickledparsleyparty]

I think a lot of people with voices just feel really bad about Bioware facing the end and their negative opinions maybe hastening it.

[@Oliander712]

@@pickledparsleyparty I agree with this take, it's a common sentiment in games coverage due to how much they fraternize with their subjects. But I think it leads to negative outcomes for the consumers of both products. Skill Up giving CP2077 the benefit of the doubt is the reason I bought the unplayable PS4 version. Thank God they did mass refunds for that one.

[@kylekillgannon]

Pat: I'm not allowed to say what's wrong with the writing!

[@dancinginfernal]

@@kylekillgannon No, he's openly criticizing it you boob. He likes the writing, it's just a very specific flavor that isn't his usual bag.

[@sunkeyavad6528]

4:12 Btw, if anyone wants to know the definition of "cringe" look at Woolie's face at this timestamp. I just figured I'll mention this since cringe is turning into one of these words without meaning because everybody is starting to use it for everything. If you're not physically pulled together around the facial area, or at least feel pulled together in the upper body headish area you're not cringing.

[@Szriko]

cringe, l rizz, very ohio.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

“Nah man, cringe if you doing what I don’t like or respect”

[@leithaziz2716]

To be frank, I think with hindsight I don't even know what the heck Cringe even is meant to imply if it's tied to negative reactions. I put that alongside "this stuff is too camp/corny/anime" where I have to ask exactly what you're looking for in a story, because you're being way too vague and non-descript.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

Cringe to me has always meant the spinal/back reaction. Sure it can show in the face but the spine is what it's all about

[@extantcadence2707]

I don't want my party members to hate each other for the whole game. I want them to like each other... eventually. Or at least develop a mutual understanding. But there needs to be friction somewhere.

[@Dracobyte]

Games like FF 7 Remake / Rebirth, Rogue Trader, Tyranny, Arcanum, Pathfinder CRPG, Disco Elysium and Persona Persona 4 Golden / 5 Royal might be interesting for you.

[@megamike15]

they do it mostlly with emmerich.

[@johnrivers3813]

As someone who was born and raised in Portland I think Pat is right. We do use gentle gloves with strangers and acquaintances, however once we get to know someone we're about two seconds away from spitting on each other's shoes and laughing about it.

[@Drcats69]

Same lmao. I didn't get that vibe during my playthrough but I was like this still feels... Familiar-ish. Then he said that and I went oh my God. He's so right. Sure, some of the writing might be a little cringe and play it a little safe. But to be honest, I kind of have a soft spot for BioWare's writing. So personally I didn't find it too egregious. I just felt like a therapist the entire time

[@masterxl97]

Man, this REALLY should have been the podcast title this week.

[@Drawersama]

But fighting games refs

[@Dracobyte]

Wait, it was not?

[@invincibleloonie]

"Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence-true friendship is a plant of slow growth, and must undergo & withstand the shocks of adversity before it is entitled to the appellation." -George Washington I get wanting something nice to look forward to, but it’s hard to fully say that you are friends with someone if you feel like you’re forced to stay positive at all times. Toxic positivity is still toxic, we just had a spoilercast about a story of ignoring underlying issues

[@LieseFury]

@@invincibleloonie george washington said that with a mouth full of stolen teeth

[@benhramiak8781]

Well said.

[@LieseFury]

@@invincibleloonie george washington stole teeth

[@Muffiniusknight]

I hope the discussion about rage quitting at the end of this episode is also uploaded, it was fantastic and having that isolated would rule

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Yup!

[@hassanico9999]

What was it about?

[@LieseFury]

@@hassanico9999 the podcast is free

[@hassanico9999]

@@LieseFury Nobody asked you.

[@Muffiniusknight]

@@hassanico9999 During the letter section, Woolie reads a letter from someone who rage quits a lot of things and the person provides a lot of insight as to why people rage quit. I found the person’s point of view as well as Woolie and Pat’s discussion around it to be really interesting

[@KeroKaminaX]

"Each game is catering to a different audience every game so nothing is consistant" so basically 2000s Sonic games and most Legend of Zelda games

[@verymelonman12]

And Final Fantasy

[@KeroKaminaX]

@@verymelonman12 FF doesn't get that drastic until you get to FF10 onward

[@patrickr.1433]

nah its from ff7 onward which is the majority

[@Foostini]

Yeah but since it's Dragon Age we gotta keep freaking out that it's not just Origins again and again.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@KeroKaminaXMost Zelda games prior to BOW were quite consistent, they might be darker or more zany but the formula was the same. Sonic on the other hand, desperate flailing of a drowning man. He’s a Werewolf, now he’s a skateboarder, now he’s a knight etc.

[@juancarlosfernandezperez6843]

I present you, Shinon from the Fire Emblem Tellius duology. He's openly racist to the beast people, gets drunk, is a jerk. He even has a passive that draws aggro, despite bring an archer.

[@Tigerbro6]

Woolie calling Gale Carth should be a crime

[@diegolopezpresa9719]

Woolie always manages to find the worse comparisons, like saying a game is "like Diablo" just because of the camera angle ....

[@DamashiTheKaotic]

Gale isn't even as toxic as Pat makes him out to be. To get the "I'll kill myself" lines from Gale, 1 is him just joking and he doesn't actually mean it, the one where hes serious about killing himself requires you to stomp on his heart, and then eviscerate it right after he's poured his heart out to you while in an extremely vulnerable state of mind. The best comparison for Gale is probably Atton. Gale HATES himself, and feels immense suicidal levels of guilt for everything that happened through out his life (even for things that are literally not his fault), and uses jokes to mask how little he actually cares about himself. Gale is also one of the characters most willing to match your energy when it comes to joking around and being a dick.

[@Kaarl_Mills]

@@DamashiTheKaotic ah fuck you just sold me on Gale... I didnt particularly dislike him, I just thought he was way too smug at times

[@SeruraRenge11]

@@DamashiTheKaotic I never understood why people hate Gale so much. Yes he's a smug prick, but he KNOWS he's a smug prick and is intentionally doing it to keep others at arms' length because he knows what happens when people get close to him. The easiest way to tell the difference between someone like Gale and someone like Asterion is Gale gets points when you do the moral thing, because he isn't an asshole deep down, it's a front.

[@Agent_Cobalt]

If anyone’s Carth, it’s Wyll

[@tentacle_bear6941]

Gale's reason for being obsessed with his Ex is because his ex groomed his whole world into being her domain. Every time he casts magic, it's quite literally him pulling upon an extension of her. For a man who took psychology and can apply it very well on stuff he loves, the moment you're slightly annoyed it goes all out the window.

[@yhposolihP]

Came here to say something like that, yup. I'm completely fine with Pat tightrope-walking around the quality of writing and giving it a couple of excuses here and there (it's not that the writing is bad, it's that we're just kind of assholes!), but then he doesn't offer the same grace to Gale just because he doesn't like him. It was really jarring, even for Pat. Honestly - and it's not like I blame him for this - I think he's being softer on Veilguard because the last thing he wants to do is give anti-woke nutjobs any ammo. The problem is that Gale was brought up right after, and he has to hate Gale. Like, he has to hate Gale, guys.

[@scrapkingkeita3825]

@@yhposolihP But Pat *loves* Gale, he just happens to also like dunking on the guy. And he wouldn't be dunking on him so much, if his responses to half his inconveniences, were blowing himself up

[@Szriko]

@@yhposolihP He did basically say that the woke grift and DEI is the worst parts of the game, and without them, it'd actually be amazing. It's just another example of how wokeness is destroying games.

[@conspiracypanda1200]

​@@SzrikoLook boys, we hooked one of them! I'm poking you with a stick right now. Tell me more buzzwords!

[@dancinginfernal]

@@Szriko lol you're so pathetic man. his streams of Veilguard were like 50% making fun of people like you. go outside.

[@wardy4903]

To all the people who complain about yellow tape in video games, i present to you: Pat

[@SolidSnake240]

I'm one of the people that complain about it but then I watch some people play games and think "so this is why devs keep using it."

[@SteelBallRun1890]

Whenever someone complains about yellowtape I always think of a guy who is so willfully ignorant because they're not put to a camera whenever they're playing a game. The next excuse is "but I'm not THAT dumb, im not DSP" And to that I say, oh how little you know of yourself. You absolutely ARE that dumb.

[@Santoryu90]

@@SolidSnake240Some just people aren’t that perceptive

[@RossMirage]

I remember Ekundayo from Kingmaker being a pretty chill dude except when trolls get involved, then he goes full on RIP AND TEAR UNTIL IT'S DONE and every time I have to hold him back. Spoilers for PF: Kingmaker I guess: When you get to the troll fortress and go confront the troll that killed his wife and daughter you first meet the troll's children, and you have to actively hold him back from just murking them right then and there, the thought "you are literally going to do what the troll did to you" never crossing his mind. Lawful Good character btw. At least Seelah from WotR is a sweetheart while also being Lawful Good.

[@АлександрПушкин-я4щ]

I didn't even hold him back. Fuck trolls.

[@TrashFireChaos]

"Just call me Millions Knife Ears"

[@Sonicfalcon16]

17:38 Yeah something I've noticed when you have NB, Trans,They/them characters in media they'll never experience that kind of asshole character. For example people wrote a gay character with someone who's homophobic, a race of character another character doesn't like, and then they have time together and grow to understand each other all require an asshole character at first. But for NB, Trans,They/them characters for whatever reason can't have that which comes off mary-sue, like Pat's comment on the opportunity is "No we can't have that" "Why" We just can't" Meanwhile original mass effect and KOTOR you can absolutely be a racist asshole if you wanted too. Even in starfield theres a moment like that but you can't anything that isn't positive.

[@MiaCulpa24]

Thing is.. i get it. Its a difficult position when it comes to writing. Take Disco Elysium, theres a BUNCH of racism in there, some directed at Kim. But we know that. We live in a world where racism, despite being prevalent unfortunately, is a laughable opinion to have. Its why anytime some idiot says "DEI", everyone knows what theyre saying, and so its easy to take humour in that and deal with horrible characters in something that is broadly disliked and openly mocked as racism. Same thing applies to Red Dead and the KKK showing up, Bioshock Infinite, ect Trans people are not. Trans people are actively having to push back every day. They still dont have rights, and even right now, have ghoulish congress members, trying to undermine their existence. The world is already cruel to trans people, having a character who is cruel in game, isnt gonna feel good to people who want that representation, and its gonna attract the wrong attention from the wrong people as "wow this character is based". So having a game where theres actually more hope, and a place where "No, theyre accepted, lets show how it is normal", is more important to people right now.

[@Nemonstitch]

@@MiaCulpa24yeah when Pat mentioned how people in the party weren't transphobic, it kinda struck me: Veilguard is very cozy. It's a comfy little game, cozy party vibes, and a fun combat system to mash buttons on.

[@MiaCulpa24]

@@Nemonstitch I think for people like Pat and Woolie, and (i hope) most of the people who watch Pat and Woolie, transphobia is already at that "Wow, youre dumb lol lets beat this dude with hammers" mentality For alot of us, a Disco Elysium handling, of "lemme spin kick this TERF" would be awesome... BUT.. i dont think trans people want a game where a NB/Trans character or even THEIR character is just like, openly misgendered, or dehumanised because its actually too real. Its their reality. Its not like Woolie where every time racism occurs, hes like powering up. He doesnt see it all the time, he goes day by day, at best, getting dumbasses like Asmongold or whatever generic slop grifter going "errmm, black person DEI hire???", so it when it happens its like "YOOOO lets go, we got an omega-idiot!" and everyone can point and laugh. I havent seen people drop a racial slur in Pat or Woolies chat or comment section. But i have seen people be transphobic (and swiftly banned)

[@MiaCulpa24]

@@Nemonstitch I think for people like Pat and Woolie, and (i hope) most of the people who watch Pat and Woolie, transphobia is already at that point of mockery BUT.. i dont think trans people want a game where a NB/Trans character or even THEIR character is just like, openly misgendered, or dehumanised because its actually too real. Its their reality. Its not like Woolie where every time racism occurs, hes like powering up. He doesnt see it all the time, he goes day by day, at best, getting like Asmon or whatever generic slop grifter going "errmm, black = DEI hire???", so it when it happens its like "YOOOO lets go!" and everyone can point and laugh. I havent seen people drop a racial slur in Pat or Woolies chat or comment section. But i have seen people be transphobic (and swiftly banned)

[@Sonicfalcon16]

@@MiaCulpa24 My brain goes right to the FF14 character talk. I can imagine alot of people getting banned there for that

[@arempy5836]

6:52 the inverted [GLASS HIM]

[@SinnerBeta]

Anybody else like it more balanced? Like my ideal cRPG party would be one sweet and supportive person per a dirtbag I have something common with. Like give me the 500 years old elf Paladins that's tired but kind and a halfling version of Tony Soprano that's also my only healer.

[@WarMomPT]

I've seen a post going around bluesky that presents a 'Nice / Mean' and 'Fun / Serious' alignment chart. According to the person who made it, all but one Veilguard companion falls into the 'Nice' half, and most into 'fun'. They then map on previous DA games and BG3 and there's more of a varied spread.

[@ice_queen9]

ever since my baldur's gate 2 paladin companion literally attacked me for being slightly evil i've had a grudge against them :o

[@SinnerBeta]

@ice_queen9 good, it means the character had a personality and left a strong impression on you.

[@LuxLoser]

That's just Dragon Age: Origins...

[@christopherhenson50]

I mean that’s basically what Wynne and to a lesser extent Lilianna was in Dragon Age Origins.

[@rembrandtbrown6450]

It feels like a saturday morning cartoon. Even the villains.

[@MyTomServo]

I haven't played the game, but from what I've seen, the game strikes me as some combination of: A Punisher tv series made by the CW, crossed with it being in like earth 615 instead of 616, and the difference in this universe is that everything is less edgy. DA:O was like 90% the edge of Warhammer Fantasy, and this has the edge of a coffee table that had its edges sanded off so the children wouldn't bump their heads into them.

[@lucasscerbo133]

YES. I beat the game 1000% yes, the amount of stuff you could do in Dragon Age Origins was insane, I'll give u an example; there's this werewolf colony, and there's 3 options on what to do with the colony. Turn them back into regular elves and free the curse, kill the werewolves, and the 3rd option is fuck it werewolves are awesome, kill the guy that turned them into werewolves, and have the werewolves fight in your army

[@lucasscerbo133]

There's a town about to attacked by demons and you have the option to just leave before they hit instead of helping them fight, and two of your companions are like yeah fuck em, then you come back, and the entire town is deserted, with all the corpses turned into zombies in the castle

[@lucasscerbo133]

You could desecrate the ashes of essentially Jesus for a blood cult, and then drink the blood of a dragon as a reward

[@darkdude9248]

Veilguard followers talk like they eat unsalted peanuts and cry when you say you didn't like the movie Rent

[@talynhastime9343]

One of my biggest gripes with Veilguard is the lack of true animosity between the companions and the inability for you to roleplay “meanness. In all previous games for Mass Effect (idk about Andromeda) and Dragon Age you could be an asshole, and in the Dragon Age series you could do things that would severely piss your companions off to the point that some of them could leave or rant at you about what an asshole you are. Veilguard is Dragon Age smashed into a Mass Effect skeleton but without the perk of having any genuine Renegade options. Rook is a 22 year old therapist/HR rep who can only speak to people in pure understanding and empathetic terms. But thank God they didn’t ruin Solas’s dialogue. He remains solid in the short amount of screen time he gets. I you’re giving me an RPG with companions, I do NOT want them all to get along and be all hunky-dory with each other. Davrin and Lucanis and their spats are next to nothing. These are the same devs that had Morrigan calling Alistair stupid at every opportunity and him wishing she’d crawl into a bush and die, Anders asking Fenris why he hasn’t killed himself yet and Fenris asking Anders the same, Solas quite formally calling Vivienne small-minded and ignorant for relying only on her Circle teachings as her framework for how magic and spirits work and Sera joking that every time Solas has sex he probably shouts ‘elvhen glory’ when he nuts in your PC. I NEEDED animosity. I needed friction and tension because no group of such dissimilar people with such different backgrounds are going to get along this swimmingly at first. This game was switched over from a live service MMO and you can clearly tell. Bioware tried to put spackle and plaster on it to make for a half-decent Dragon Age but to me it largely failed. I’m frustrated with EA for interfering with IP that had heaps of fans and storytelling potential, but EA or not the dialogue is inexcusably terrible and limp.

[@carlosfred8673]

Dragon Age: Veilguard is made for a very specific person that’s not me. That’s fine, but I want some teeth to my RPG and party banter. Sweet moments are fine, but when I feel like I’m roleplaying the ‘Super Friends’ Saturday morning cartoon it’s an issue.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Maybe you would like games like FF 7 Remake / Rebirth, Rogue Trader, Arcanum, Wasteland 3 or others.

[@dancinginfernal]

The game may not bare its teeth with its party members, but it still has plenty of bite.

[@SeruraRenge11]

I'd actually be fine with my party being the Super Friends, if they actually leaned into that. Just had no shame and went full cheese, not caring if it's cringy and juvenille from the perspective of a lot of adults. Give us Super Sentai: The RPG

[@SteelBallRun1890]

@@fernandozavaletabustos205 Why do you keep saying FF7? The party isn't even that antagonistic to one another.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

@SteelBallRun1890 friction it does not necessary mean "I want to kill the other party members", is having some kind of conflict alongside the road. Cloud's memory problems and trauma generarte friction, specially between him and Tifa (less so with Aerith). The there is Caith Sith who is connected with Shintai. Yuffie's teenage and Nanaki's antics generarte some annoyance for Barret. And even if he is not controlable yet, Vincent is a Boss battle before joining the group.

[@Known_Liar]

Pat, I hear you. I see you. Valid.

[@TheShockVox]

This made me laugh, which is triggering. I’d have appreciated it if you had put up a warning first.

[@Known_Liar]

Oh I see. This was not my intention. But I also *feel* like your aura is being less than genuine with me right now? I don’t know. Meditate on it and get back to me.

[@ObsidianKnight90]

The BG3 companions are incredibly fun because they're a bunch of strangers who either don't trust or outright hate each other and are only allies of convenience... but if you guide them in the right direction they all become better people willing to fight and die for each other. Or you can make (most of) them even bigger jerks, if that's what you like. The ME2 companions are great because they're either (a) decent people who genuinely want to stop the Collectors or (b) morally grey mercenaries you help out to such a degree they're willing to go on a suicide mission to even the score. They may not all like each other but the mission comes first. I'm just not seeing this degree of tension between the Veilguard companions. The mages especially should be losing their crap with Lucanis, either because he's possessed which is a huge danger to everyone or because he's proof that non-mages can get possessed which totally upsets the whole "Templars keeping the Circles on a leash because of the risk of possession" dynamic. In fact, I think Veilguard really desperately needed a Templar companion to add friction to the team, someone who's wary of the renegade mages, wary of the two rogues and their magic powers, and perhaps at odds with the warriors for their blood-related plot points. I found Inquisition's combat awful but at least it was fun having Sera and Blackwall shit-talk Vivienne about her being all posh while I ran around the map.

[@Metalhead1658]

I was expecting Gale to murder me in my sleep at any point in BG 3, i could not trust that seemingly puppy of a man

[@Urthdigger]

It's funny to hear that about the banter between the party members, because I immediately flashed back to Dragon Age: Origins and having Morrigan and Alistair in my party just to hear them complain about each other constantly.

[@timpointer6664]

I feel a good way to have a party is for every character to have at least 1 person they are absolutely opposed to, and not just "agree to disagree", but like pat said with having at least 2 characters at each other's throats really makes the party feel more alive, as opposed to drones who comment on situations.

[@WizardRPG]

Woolie, racism gourmand 6:01 being served a new dish

[@SolidSnake240]

People have the right to like the game but nothing will convince to spend my money on DA:V. I watched enough people play it and gameplay videos to know it's not for me.

[@ansurarks]

Even 7th Heaven had friction between its characters.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

How good was 7th Heaven? I am not familiar with the show since I am not from US.

[@ansurarks]

@@fernandozavaletabustos205 It was not bad but not good is how I would describe it. It's basically melodramatic family drama, teen pregnancy, drugs, teen angst and parents having to deal with it etc. Very basic, plain bread with cheese (and it WAS cheesy). A product of its time.

[@Harpagio]

12:30 Pat saying that its game mechanics are the best BioWare has ever done is hurting my brain. Your party members deal no damage, take no damage, can’t die, and only exist to setup combos. Meanwhile Mass Effect 3 and DA:I had small squad combat where teammates mattered and stuff went sideways REAL quick if you weren’t kitted properly.

[@Kaarl_Mills]

Flashbacks to Garrus turning the game to easy mode all by himself in 3

[@megamike15]

my party was oing alot of the chip damage during dragon fights. stop lying.

[@GrayMatter337]

veilgaurd npcs talk like people, but YOU talk to them like thyre gd children. Like theres straight up conversations where you go in circles saying "hey x, do you see how you saying that thing to y would make them mad?" Like it feels like youre a gd babysitter taking care of a bunch of whiny toddlers who dont matter. Tantrums happen, and characters literally spell out their character traits to you. Jesus this game feels like pulling teeth the second combat is done, and combat quips arent much better. I know people are falling into the "theyre just being nice" pitfall, but these idiots are supposed to be able to drink and pay taxes, the fact im watching one of them pout like a toddler for not getting their way is ridiculous. They feel less mature than Grunt, and that mf was like thirty minutes old! I get people have their own tastes, but everytime i hear "yeah the dialogue and characters suck ass, but the games real fun!" i die a little inside. Its a dragon age game, if interacting with characters sucks ass then wtf are we doing here??? To each their own, but i have no patience for this shit

[@SuperPal-tr3go]

Taash gets the worst of it which sucks because she is the non-binary character so chuds are going to jump on that but it is bizarre how much her character is wrapped up in mommy issues and I'm like aren't you in your 30s or something. At least with Sera you could argue that she's literally not even twenty yet but Taash looks grown af.

[@talynhastime9343]

I absolutely absolutely hate it when people are like “yeah the dialogue isn’t that good but otherwise..”. NO. Dialogue and interactions with NPCs HAS ALWAYS BEEN 70-80% OF THE APPEAL OF A BIOWARE GAME, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. You’re seriously telling me you stuck around because you couldn’t get enough of Dragon Age’s progressively shittier and shittier combat? Don’t piss me off.

[@megamike15]

@@SuperPal-tr3go taash is like 20 but written as a teenager.

[@kido2562]

Taash: "someone ate my cheese sticks" 😡

[@megamike15]

@@talynhastime9343 the game suffers from the mass effect 3 issues where the first i wanna say 3 hours of the pprolue might have the weakest wrighting. oonce youu get into the game proper while there is still some cringe wrtieng here and there there is also some goodd stuff epicallly if it's about solas, the lore we learn fro his memeories, and the grey wardans.

[@The_Ant_17]

So this game is just the vending machine from Cyberpunk. Literally can't call you a whore even if you beg them to do it

[@alsaiduq4363]

8:40 in pathfidner almost every single party member want to kill one or more characters in the party AND actually gets to kill or tries to kill someone in the ending slides. Including the main character. Wenduag in particular is a menace.

[@Dracobyte]

Yup!

[@CrimePaint]

Wenduag is wife.

[@paladinshark2448]

The best by far was Regill (best companion in the game bar none, if not the series, only cool LE dude ever) and the cleric. Virtually all of their conversations, especially in light of Sostiel’s brother, are openly, flagrantly violent and hostile, and actually get worse as it goes on. As expected. A paladin of Shelyn and a hellknight of Asmodeus better be at odds. No time for any “understanding.” Only bonded by respect for the commander and a hatred of demons Shout out to Regill for shutting him and all the other “woe is me” good types up for ever. “Dont you bring your metaphysics into this. Stop blaming cosmic forces for your own incompetence. The side of good isn’t weak. It’s you,”

[@GaijinEncarmine]

Rogue Trader (same dev) is similar. It's a 40k game, so the closest some party members come to 'friendly' with aliens is "It's wrong to kill them because that would release them from the CRIME of being born as xenos".

[@Dracobyte]

​@@GaijinEncarminethis is why Argenta, Heinrix and Ulfar are specially awesome.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

10:06 that elf lady being the “quirky tech/magic nerd” is abit grating for me

[@talynhastime9343]

It’s Millennial “adorkable” that Disney has been running on since Anna with Frozen. I really find it tedious. Where are my rough and greasy diesel lesbian mechanics.

[@cpard2d2]

I've yet to meet that one character everyone hates but so far... I kinda like the game. That said, I 100% agree with Pat about each game being something completely different each time, Dragon Age as a series has no true identity, even the anime is just some random fantasy story, oh yeah, and there's a dragon because it's in the title.

[@EbonMaster]

Today I learned that Canada has its own versions of California. lol

[@en4135]

Dragon Age Origins wanted to appeal to fans of things like Baldurs Gate and Kotor. Dragon Age 2 wanted to appeal to the action crowd but also carefully focused on the story. Dragon Age Inquisition tried to appeal to everybody, Fans of Origins' story, Fans of DA2's Character moments, Fans of DA2's combat, and the modern audience, while there were severe issues with this approach it was ultimately appreciated over the years. Veilguard feels like it exclusively cares about the modern audience I put 22 hours into that game and I see no appeal in it. Not only do characters often feel like they are directed completely differently it constantly contradicts old established lore. Arlathan used to be buried beneath the Earth, now it's just ruins in a forest filled with gold nobody has looted. The Blight first appeared due to Tevinter breaking into fade, now it's just a natural occurrence because the Elves gave the literal beings that make up the planet upon which they live cancer. In fact everything is now the Elves fault. The Elves Zombified the Titans. The Elves caused the Blight. The Elves invented the Darkspawn. The Elves ruined the fade. The Elves invented Blood Magic. The Elves nuked the world. The Elves try to nuke the world again. The Elves caused Red Lyrium and if that problem isn't solved the actual Titans may turn into Darkspawn. Everything is the Elves fault.

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

as long as pat isnt saying veilguard is better than origins

[@OrroHelhammer]

He is

[@emmachance8]

"Dragon Ave Veilguard is catering to people who liked Inquisition's character dialogue" - As someone who LOVED Inquisition's characters, this is so not true. The DAV character conversations are so flat and boring compared to the depth we had in Inquisition. No contest! I have no idea who Veilguard is catering towards, but it's not those of us who loved the depth of the character conversations in Inqusition.

[@Kaarl_Mills]

its catering to new fans, thats it. They've already alienated the origins fans so hard by now, that their only route to financial success is to get a bunch of new people whove never touched the series before into it

[@dancinginfernal]

They get better as you go along, I found. Bellara was my bane in the intro sections, but had really warmed on me by the end.

[@SuperPal-tr3go]

Yeah I didn't get that. There's no way on the Veilguard writers would have Sera in the cast or have Dorian defend slavery even for a second and Blackwell's backstory would be way too dark for them.

[@dancinginfernal]

@@SuperPal-tr3go Sera would fit in pretty well here, actually.

[@SuperPal-tr3go]

@dancinginfernal Nah she'd actually say something fucked up and racist and would actually be mad at the player at times.

[@BigFingerRo]

Just remember guys: Around knife ears, danger is near!

[@SteelBallRun1890]

This is why I love the Mass Effect 2 crew a lot. It's a bunch of scumbags and lowlifes getting tasked to enact a literal suicide mission. It's unironically amazing. Teammates being nice with one another isn't bad, Yakuza 7 and 8 is a bunch of friends, but man, if you're just forced positivity af its more grating than a bunch of a-holes in your team, it's more offensive.

[@melinoel616]

DAO has always been a pain in the butt to get working on console and PC and I hate the combat, but the story is fantastic. DAV plays well and has little to no technical performance flaws, but the story left me feeling hollow. From an “end results” perspective, I’d get more enjoyment out of DAO and would rather replay that than DAV. The artbook for DAV has further soured my interest in playing DAV again.

[@terraemiya8448]

This is why the persona 4 group is the best, they all love each other while also dunking on each other it's delightful. They all have unique dynamics. Yosuke and Chie act like siblings who have spent two much time with the other, meanwhile Yukiko and Chie are totes besties. But everyone kinda dunks on Teddie but clearly still care about him. There's a balance to be had. Hell Kanji and Rise are both the underclassmen to the group and often show up on screen together, and they live close by too almost kinda implying they hang out often to me. It's a nice combo of teens being teens but they're all good people as well.

[@Takyomi]

Yosuke's a fucking dickhead, but dammit if he isnt funny. Yosuke tries too hard to look cool and it makes him look like a poser, but seeing him appreciate living in the town is really sweet. He's got a lot of flaws but I think he's easily the best partner Persona's had, even including metaphor.

[@leithaziz2716]

Aye, look at that. Banter that finds balance in having personality without painting anyone as terrible people. You can write with sincerity

[@OldyAlbert]

Yakuza 7-8 also have that i think. Problem with Veilguard that it seems that it PRETENDS to be western-style RPG with choice in dialogue, but it's actually a fixed JRPG-style party just with less interesting character dynamic.

[@Dracobyte]

Also Rogue Trader, Baldur's Gate 3, Final Fantasy 9, 12 and 7 Remake / Rebirth, Tyranny and Pathfinder games.

[@leithaziz2716]

@@OldyAlbert You made me ponder back on Yakuza 7 and yeah. Ichiban is like the most cheerful optimistic dude I've seen in a video game, and I absolutely love the fella. His story helped me during a low point in my life. There's something very compelling about a story of middle-aged people climbing up from rock bottom.

[@jacobsedlack1173]

To summarize the game in one word after everything everyone has said: Saccharine.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Gene’s takes are insane, especially on RE6. That game is mostly just a Ada wank fic with explosions.

[@AceRevero]

"Leon, We have to get to the Cathedral." "I can tell you everything when we get to the Cathedral" "No time to explain, We got to get to the Cathedral" Btw, Helena is my fav, shame how she was done in RE6.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@AceReveroI believe Helena was supposed to be Leon’s Jill, problem is Leon already has a Jill, her name is Claire. I get the appeal of not always bringing back old favourites and introducing new characters. But if the new characters aren’t anywhere as interesting or likeable as the classic characters, then get them out of here. They add nothing. People only give Piers a pass because of the bromance with Chris and his sad death. There’s no real reason Jill shouldn’t be in the game.

[@Doople]

Sounds great

[@SolidSnake240]

As much as I enjoy RE6, I'll never try to convince people that it's good lol

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

I remember when my step brother came home with resident evil 6 and halo 4, and even as a younger lad I knew better on release

[@RwOverwatch]

Why is Woolie lit up like Gill from Street Fighter 3?

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Or Vivec from Morrowind.

[@JCBudro16]

Bisexual lighting

[@shadowknight311]

If you can't shit-talk your friends, they probably view you as an accessory.

[@Personell101]

You can’t know someone really if you don’t know how they talk shit

[@badpope]

18:00 So basically, this game needed a Wakka.

[@TyranusRex721]

All this talk about Veilguard and the new previews for Avowed that came out yesterday make me wish for the days of the early to mid 2000's RPGs...which Avowed seems to be, btw! Seeing your exact dialogue options, allowed to be pure evil, your choices feeling impactful both big and small...I just really miss those days. Everything that has been shown for Avowed so far makes it seem like that. Somewhat like a combination of Buldar's Gate 3 and Morrowind, which makes me super excited. Hope Pat looks at the previews and new gameplay that was shown off.

[@Dracobyte]

Avowed looks really promising!

[@seiferrocks]

I’m in the camp that veilguard is a terrible sequel to the dragon age series but treated separately it’s whatever. I haven’t beaten the game but I fear with the level of threats and amount of answers the game is giving that they’re getting ready to kill off the parts of dragon age that doesn’t fit it’s new tone. I hope I’m wrong about that.

[@dootdootington386]

You're pretty accurate with the sequel opinion man. And also your fear. So good luck.

[@dancinginfernal]

You are incorrect. I found the game ends well, and doesn't really "kill off" any specific parts of DA. Solas, as a plot point, is resolved. Obviously, your mileage may vary, but as a long-time series enjoyer I found it great if you meet the game where it's at. It's not trying to be Origins, but there's still things going on. The Solas Memory side-plot was one of my favorite things.

[@talynhastime9343]

SPOILER . . . . . The Blight takes over pretty much all of the Southern continent.

[@dylanmcnab2980]

If you somehow get more wholesome than the Final Fantasy 15 party you reach toxic levels of wholesome.

[@funaccount7665]

Give me a drakengard 1/3 party where everyone is a degenerate or a psychopath again that was peak entertainment.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Rogue Trader and Tyranny are games for You.

[@funaccount7665]

@fernandozavaletabustos205 played rogue trader loved it.

[@Vanity0666]

Pat neglects to mention that Gale's ex girlfriend is also the literal source of all magic in the universe and isn't exactly a corporeal person rather than an embodied concept Also that the reason he's "obssessed" with her is because she turned him into a nuclear bomb. You can straight up end the game a whole act early by throwing his corpse into moonrise.

[@boyo357]

So there was a specific part in the SkillUp review where he just showed a bit of a conversation where your part is having disagreements. it's around 16 minutes in and even without him afterwards saying what i was thinking at the time just seeing those interactions turned me off to the game heavily. A lot of other things I just saw did too like combat and such hearing your party is just extra abilities essentially and apparently can't die? But it wasn't as bad as seeing these.... childlike character interactions like we're on fucking PBS and i'm watching an old children's cartoon again. That is why I don't have plans to get into Veilguard anytime soon if at all and while I'll probably watch a playthrough likely by Pat but maybe by others I don't see that changing my mind.

[@Bek359]

LIke, this is an M-rated video game in a franchise where the boxart for the first entry is a blood splatter. I am NOT here for a tone reminiscent of Arthur the Aardvark.

[@dancinginfernal]

@@Bek359 The tone is not that light. Pat's still early. After the first extended section of the game you are primed to decide which of two cities are getting saved from devastation. Whoever you don't pick, the party member associated with that locale will abandon the cause for a time to help their people. Like a good 10 hours for me without Neve. And as a result she was a lot shittier to me, and vengeful. Since this affected her personality, she lost her ability to heal in combat in favor of greater damage potential. I think that's rad as hell. You can win her over if you make the effort, but she never changes back.

[@theboihilbirt1277]

This is Postcast is about Gene questionable taste and make fun of him, especially Resident Evil 6

[@li-limandragon9287]

RE6 baffles me. They had the opportunity to just have “Biohazards assemble” like that Death Island movie, but instead choose to make four different campaigns that barely overlap, Jill and Claire replaced with lame ass characters and the story centred Ada whose coy bs was getting tired by the end of RE4. I get that it’s fun as co-op but it’s not worth defending on a story or development level.

[@hassanico9999]

Industry plant tastes.

[@SolidSnake240]

I love Re6. Flaws and all. Partly because of the batshit story and mashup of game mechanics. It really shouldn't work but it's fun. Terrible RE game but fun

[@hassanico9999]

@@SolidSnake240 Helps if you have a coop partner too.

[@SolidSnake240]

​@@hassanico9999definitely. I got the game for my birthday and marathon'd it it with my cousin. One of the most fun experiences I had playing a game.

[@hassanico9999]

Maybe having the person who wrote the "Persona 5 song in Smash said the R word" be a major writing "consultant" for this game wasn't their best idea.

[@TheShockVox]

I remember that “controversy”, that was one of the moment when I really started to hate “game journalism”

[@SolidSnake240]

Damn I forgot about that 😂

[@grandobsidian]

Ok, now I understand why the one guy at my Pathfinder table who keeps giving unprompted positive reviews of Veilguard is also the guy that refuses to take any action that isn't obviously good but also wants to play a paladin without the classic super strict lawful good restriction he just wants to think hes doing good and be told as much.

[@Roronoa2zoro]

The DS2 comparison seems apt. Because for ten years now people have been screeching "this is different and not what I, the special angel boy, want and therefore it's the worst thing ever made" which is exactly what's been happening with Veilguard. And what happened when Inquisition came out. And what happened when Dragon Age 2 came out. I remember some guy at The Escapist gave DA2 a 5/5 and got screamed at for like a year because obviously DA2 was the worst game ever made. It looked ugly, it was action-focused, it was smaller in scope, it catered to console scrubs, it was just Mass Effect with dragons, etc etc etc. Some people can never get over not having their expectations met.

[@fillosof66689]

The description of the Lucanis possession brought to mind my recent experience with Rogue Trader cRPG and the closest analogue there, an illegal space wizard who is constantly on the verge of the door in their head opening too wide and deamons starting to pour out. It is hard to adequately describe the sheer amount of shit they are given on the regular by most of the rest of the party, up to and Including a meaningful side long glances from a chap affiliated with the Inquisition - and I heard it gets even more heated as the main story goes on. As a player, you can choose to try and shield said companion from most of the backlash and support them as much as possible, decide that intervening isn't worth it, defend them as a useful tool that is yet to outlive its purpose - or you can throw them under the bus, hop into the driver's seat and back over them for good measure.

[@fillosof66689]

Wrath of the Righteous, another game from the same studio and the one Pat has mentioned, is a very customaziable experience in terms of what kind of party banter you will be getting, among many other things. From a party full of genuinely good people, who, while still having their points of friction, will support and care for one another, sometimes in surprising and touching ways; to a party of toxic/cowardly/outright evil assholes tearing into each other and delivering ungodly burns on the regular; to a party full of naive dreamers and goofballs, with that game's Astarion trying hard to not be too amused by their silly shenanigans, because obviously he would much rather have a drunken orgy, but... 😂

[@joeyjjmoore]

True though. Friends are assholes to each other, but they have your back like no one else. But let a stranger try you, and that same friend that said you've unspeakable things behind Arby's for money will stab them in your defense AND THEN double down on the previous insult. Friendship is amazing.

[@Kaialb09]

I actually felt the same about Karlach, the bit about wanting people in your party who hate on each other and have fights and such. When I recruited Karlach and did my run, I just could not get myself to use her cause she was just too nice; it just felt really jarring how positive she was about everything, given what was at stake in the world and all the bad stuff that was happening.

[@domfour8109]

Man, I just needed to see the goofy ass new dark spawn to see this just wasn't going to be that good.

[@Santoryu90]

I first I thought it was case of some getting way too mad over pronouns or something, but yeah the whole feeling like HR is in the room seems pretty accurate.

[@BroudbrunMusicMerge]

It reminds me a bit of Life is Strange's dialogue -- there is absolutely a demographic that talks this way, but if you haven't spoken to that demographic at length, you'll swear they're talking like aliens who just arrived on Earth.

[@chrisdaughen5257]

I recently watched some Origins footage and it boggles me how much the design direction has changed. I get it's taking place in the country where mages run everything, but Veilguard looks like it takes place on another planet. Origins was so gritty and low-fantasy looking for most of it. Outside of the Fade stuff, the closest thing the older games got to Veilguard was Dragon Age 2's final boss where you're suddenly fighting living statues.

[@SinnerBeta]

I think Wyll is the bigger dweeb than Gale, but of a different less obnoxious kind.

[@christopherhenson50]

lol, the most scathing review of Dragon Age Veilguard I’ve seen was titled, “Dragon Age Veilguard is like having a party full of Wylls”.

[@SinnerBeta]

@@christopherhenson50 I mean, I'd call Wyll self-righterous, but in a positive if a bit boring way, while a lot of Veilguard party writing feels sanctimonious.

[@dootdootington386]

Wyll is like an endearing dweeb. Gale is pretentious about it. Going off how my wife fucking hates Gale.

[@TheRogueEmpire]

@@SinnerBeta liam in andromeda was self righteous in a real shitty way. the way he treated lady garrus was awful. i hated him.

[@Zangelin]

@@christopherhenson50 except theres at least the possibility of pissing Wyll off.

[@kido2562]

Gotta love that the auto-correct auto fixes Taash's name to *trash* Cuz thats what Taash is.

[@verymelonman12]

Pat, playing the game yourself to gain your own opinion was the best thing to do here. It's always the best thing to do with anything, but for anything controversial especially. My own take is that Veilguard is a 6-7/10 game. Not terrible, but not as good as i could have been, I'm on a second playthrough because I like the combat, but I don't have much else to praise. The queer rep I do not talk about because that's not my fight, but ignore anyone crying about wokeness.

[@pricklypear3625]

What "fight"? The dialogue and story surrounding him is terrible. You can have an opinion of the story you paid for you know.

[@koifish835]

I haven't played the game yet since I'm waiting on a sale but yeah that's the impression I get it seems "good" but not "great" and I think that's ok with me. I don't need a game to be groundbreaking 10/10 to have fun with it there just needs to be something about it that draws me in. I honestly have pretty mixed feelings about the other DA games anyway so I might end up liking this one more than most people do.

[@Dracobyte]

Very nuanced opinion.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Yup, wise decision.

[@solidswat2041]

​@@pricklypear3625Do you even know what you're talking about?

[@SuperPal-tr3go]

Honestly if they wanted to have one character in the crew that was an unproblematic nice gal/guy who was constantly reaffirming how hard your trying that would be one thing but having pretty much the whole cast talk like that is just as boring and stale as everyone in the group being a miserable edgelord. There's a reason BG3 has Wyll and Karach to balance out Laz'rel and Astarion. Diversity is good actually.

[@kylekillgannon]

This clip is a masterclass in the term "To damn with faint praise."

[@Shradow]

I think that the best of friends can truly shit on each other in the best way, and if that makes me a piece of shit so be it I guess.

[@RekagonPants]

I'm too Albertan for this one it's hitting me too hard

[@TidleFrat]

As an Albertan, I got whiplash hearing Pat talk about my home province 😂

[@InwardSeaward]

14:00 I made Gale a God to get back at his Ex Girlfriend and he refused to use those Godly powers to help my other friends he stinks.

[@rogerith7905]

I think its just because the affirmation doesnt feel earned.

[@1000Tomatoes]

The difference in opinion there probably comes down to whether or not it needs to be.

[@namegone8035]

Parvati is a sincere character that most every loves in the outer worlds fandom

[@Kaarl_Mills]

She's also the only crew mate that's like that

[@TheEnclaveSoldier]

14:48 I think that's the reason Atton From kotor 2 works so well compared to Carth because he is actually faking his boring/generic personality.

[@pedrox20000]

What's up with Pat, he's been way too reasonable this episode, do you guys think it's a doppelganger?

[@Dracobyte]

He can also have reasonable takes.

[@Shotgun_Gospel]

From what I gather, this is the only angle he has to be his usual spiteful contrarian.

[@theotherjared9824]

The plot stops multiple times to explain what the concept of non-binary is and characters go out of their way to appease the non-binary character, only for said non-binary character to maliciously refuse to call another character by their prefered title. This is never brought up past the initial incident and no one receives any consequences for it. That should explain everything about the plot and its writers.

[@owenhad8221]

Maybe im not too far into the game yet, but the only time ive seen it is with Taash and its really not too overt. Like yeah there is a little bit of pandering but irs not as bad as some reviews made it out to be. Taash is supposed to be completely belligerent not because she doesnt feel like a woman, but because of the way their mother treats them. I think its pretty well written as far as pandering topics go. I do understand why people dont like it, but there are some very well written dialogue options, and Emmerich is a great character.

[@theotherjared9824]

​@owenhad8221 have you pulled a barv yet?

[@ONIMOT100]

It really doesnt, explain what you mean with the plot/writers

[@owenhad8221]

@@theotherjared9824 No idea what that means sorry

[@legofan56]

There's a cutscene in the Lighthouse where Emmrich confronts Taash about them calling him deathmage, and Taash apologizes to him and never calls him it again in any party banter moments. Anyone who's actially played the game has come across this cutscene.

[@terrenceswiff]

Nothing about Veilguard looks good. Sincerely. It's actually quite depressing how poor it is.

[@JasoTheRed48F2]

Laugh and point all you want, but the politically correct stuff is so on the nose it's disturbing. It all feels so... *corporate*

[@rasendori20]

N-no! You’re just a-a bigot! Y-yeah!!!

[@JawadBhuiyan]

Reverse Disco Elysium

[@LuxLoser]

It's the progressive version of cringe religious after school specials

[@LieseFury]

the existence of trans people isn't "corporate" but okay

[@hyperionman420]

I'm having a time of it online explaining myself to people why I think the pronoun push up scene is silly and stupid for non-chud reasons

[@DIOBrando-ij2bp]

That DMC2 analogy is pretty funny. Although Dragon Age isn’t like a DMC2 that didn’t learn its lesson. Dragon Age is more like a DMC2 that learned the wrong lessons. Dragon Age as a series is a series of games that’s always learning the wrong lessons, that’s always going the wrong direction, and is never doing the things it’s trying to do well.

[@dancinginfernal]

I don't think that's true. I think it's equivalent to the suicide mission is much more interesting than ME2's, and the build up much more interesting. The game pays off well, it just takes too long for the ball to get rolling.

[@SeruraRenge11]

@@dancinginfernal Are you just responding to every comment in an attempt to defend the game?

[@dancinginfernal]

@@SeruraRenge11 I have two full hours to kill before my shift ends and 16% battery life, what else do I have on my agenda

[@Zangelin]

@@dancinginfernal I appreciate the honesty.

[@davebergland8918]

Me all episode: Talk about disco elysium… talk about disco elysium