Mouthwashing Spoilercast: Weyland-Yutani-Scope | Castle Super Beast 240 Clip

[@CasualCoreK]

I love the part where Jimmy talks about how he does EVERYTHING USEFUL around here, and its like four things and they were literally all Anya's ideas.

[@sleepythemis]

And even beyond that, most of it is HIS JOB.

[@TheSergio1021]

@@CasualCoreK I like that they made the "objective tracker" as part of the storytelling. Jimmy wants to be the protagonist but hates the primary thing about being the protagonist: accomplishing the objectives.

[@CountofBleck]

​​@@sleepythemisTHE JOB HE GAVE HIMSELF Bonus hate: remember that line he gave to Anya that people should earn their titles? He never earned a single thing in the entire game. It was either given or self appointed.

[@SirJames079]

He says this like 3-4 months into the crash, and the horrific list of things that he's had to do amounts to like, stuff that would have taken maybe an hour in total

[@DashWallkick]

IN THE JOB HE WAS BITTER HE DIDN'T HAVE! It's galling!

[@danganronper6278]

I like how the game doesn't go "It's you. The player's fault for everything" It's more like "You play as Jimmy. I'm sorry"

[@blackskullknight9062]

It one of those moments that you didn't choose to be a terrible person, you already are and you cannot change that fact.

[@BroudbrunMusicMerge]

It's the actual source of psychological horror

[@CountofBleck]

I hope this hurts

[@ascendedsleeper7820]

SpecOps Harassment vs. Mouthwashing Flirting

[@artyom-ovsepyan]

@@ascendedsleeper7820 to be fair to Spec Ops, this game’s metanarrative is all about the critique of mindless war-related shooters and how gamers are desensitised to murder and other heavy stuff in games which happens during the war. The Line doesn’t in all honesty try to convince its players they are irredeemable monsters but rather asks the question “Isn’t it fucked how such games try to make you feel like a hero when in reality war is fucked and would most likely leave you traumatised for the rest of your life?”

[@TheNobody-ru5xg]

Jimmy puts the one guy who probably won’t survive cryo in the pod. And even if he does, he’ll probably die. And even if he does get found, he’ll live forever in agony. But hey, Jimmy shoots himself thinking he’s a hero. He saved someone. He fixed it, guys. God what a piece of shit

[@silverphoenix4934]

He probably put him in the pod because he knew it was a lost cause anyway. Once again, he only saved himself.

[@GloriousSquizoKing.]

Not only that, Jimmy only "saves" Curly because hes the captain, the most important person in the crew. In his mind, Curly staying alive justifies ALL of his wrongs.

[@clockworkNate]

He didn't fix it though. He avoided consequences from others. 😂

[@josephbutler4950]

​@clockworkNate they were being sarcastic. Do you know what that is bud?

[@clockworkNate]

@josephbutler4950 Oops I meant to write "he did fix it though, he avoided consequences from others." As in that is his fix, to stop himself from ever having to take responsibility.

[@Null_Experis]

You can't say "I'm not defined by my worst moment" when you have a 4 hour long highlight reel of them.

[@TheMemeLiker]

like it's genuinely insane how almost everyone in the crew loves that phrase so much

[@wJermell0]

Every moment in his life would be someone's worst

[@sunkeyavad6528]

*Fun fact:* You can hate Jimmy even more the 2nd time around, when you can pick up alot of the little things he says throughout it.

[@pepp418]

I mean honestly the moment he was slightly rude to Anya I pegged him as a misogynist

[@SinnerBeta]

"All it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing" is basically Curly in a sentence. Clearly a good person but either too weak willed, scared of confrontations or naive to do anything even when the problem is spelled out for him.

[@Vulgarth1]

He's just a miserable guy who was already going through a psychological spiral, now he's hiding a secret that has life-changing implications for the people he's responsible for. I can empathize with him, even when Jimmy says to his face "hey I'm going to crash the ship and kill us all" because Curly's standing on the edge of the biggest cliff in his life already.

[@SinnerBeta]

@Vulgarth1 true, but by first assuring Anya and Jimmy that they can work it out and it will be all ok and then just meekly trying to play off Jimmy talking about crashing the ship even though the cockpit is one of the few places he can lock him out of shows that, in my opinion, Curly has a sort of problem with even acknowledging serious problems that require actions and confrontations, instead trying to smooth them out and play them off with light humor, hoping they will solve themselves. I'd say the dead pixel scene suggests this but again he plays it off as seeing the big picture rather than confronting the problem, if he can ignore it then it's not something he needs to fix.

[@TheCJCGamer]

i assumed its because he knew jimmy personally. jimmy was his friend and couldnt believe his friend could do something like that because he believed they were friends. his own mental spiral probably didnt help much either

[@SinnerBeta]

@@TheCJCGamer they were old friends I think, he got him the job on the hauler because Jimmy already had problems on Earth. Curly knew the person Jimmy was at least a bit, but chose to let it slide, to keep letting it slide. Perhaps it was some sort of toxic friendship, some people will keep making excuses for their friends because they've bonded as kids or something.

[@clayc.6360]

It's a mix of his former friendship with Jimmy and him being pretty much a company man the most out of the whole group. He's gotten to the "highest rung of the ladder" at this point of his life by following the rules of Pony Express to the letter, both at the detriment of his health( him not getting enough sleep due to the company mandating that employees sleep to a maximum of Five hours a day) and not escalating any personal matters between people due to the company threatening to take away pay for any interpersonal conflicts.

[@Deemo3]

Pat's "I'm RELATED to a Jimmy" hit me like a freight train.

[@TheSergio1021]

@@Deemo3 yeah pretty sure he's talking about his brother

[@Kango234]

Every time Pat talks about his family, everything starts making so much sense.

[@SirJames079]

That shit hit for me because I am ALSO related to a Jimmy lmaoooooo

[@kingsgrave_]

unfortunately I am also related to a Jimmy

[@dasfaq6260]

My mother is a Jimmy.

[@Mahan1372]

As someone who firmly believes in rehabilitation, you simply CANNOT change or become a better person unless you take the first step, which is taking accountability. And I think for me that’s what makes Jimmy so abhorrent: he doesn’t take accountability, and that’s a trait all too familiar.

[@balbo-m1y]

I think that's why the final Polle scene hit so hard, for all his pretentions of fixing "it" he won't even acknowledge what "it" is. I honestly love how people will debate how much blame Curly bears, BUT will unambiguously say this guy is the worst.

[@Mahan1372]

@@balbo-m1y Yeah, people are more empathetic toward someone like Swansea because he admits that he’s had a lot of issues in his past, but as Woolie said, he’s trying to make amends now through his actions by doing the right thing, and he owns his past. People connect with that authenticity.

[@marcelinelansing7475]

@@balbo-m1y Basically the difference between taking responsibility and taking accountability, yeh. He's looking at these situations and saying 'well, I know how to resolve this, so *I'll* be the one to resolve it, I'll take that responsibility on', but never with the acknowledgement of his own failures, or of someone else's successes. A matter of 'I tried to do the right thing, but *that person* fucked it up, so you can hold them accountable for it. Someone else suggested this idea, and it worked out, so now it was my idea and I'm the smart one for following through on it. Who cares who suggested it? What matters is results.'

[@BeamMonsterZeus]

You gotta think of where the critical error is made in his head. He's likely never had a role model in life who he learned about the concept from; he learned how to always dodge it and mask his own psychological delirium. In reality, this does lead to about as epic of a breakdown too often for comfort.

[@PMAvers]

I just imagined The Inspector from Obra Dinn showing up to survey the wreck of the ship for insurance purposes. He goes through the entire scene with his magic watch, and then pulls out his journal to write his report. Borrowing Anya's desk, he sets down a pot of ink and a quill, and with a learned hand writes "F**K JIMMY" on every Cause of Death blank.

[@No_Superman10]

"It is found, and let it be known under full legal purview of God and The Crown, Fuck Jimmy."

[@mentfib1906]

It’s not super important, but the inspector is a lady

[@thegoodtypeofrealism9254]

​@@mentfib1906 their gender is randomly determined once you start a playthrough actually! It's a fun little detail

[@marcelinelansing7475]

"Captain Did It" achievement remix.

[@Shotgun_Gospel]

God imagine stumbling on that derelict ship, cutting the airlocks open, and trying to figure out what THE HELL could POSSIBLY have happened on that ship. Why are there empty bottles of mouthwash everywhere? Why does the captain look half eaten and then cryofrozen? Were they saving him for later?

[@kellerharris2593]

The scene where Jimmy is sermonizing at Curly about how hard Jimmy's life is and how Curly just wouldn't understand what it's like to struggle to put food on their plates, WHILE JIMMY IS CUTTING OFF CURLY'S LEG AND EATING IT, made me want to rip my own hair out. Jimmy is so fully realized as an insufferable piece of shit that I fully believe he was one-to-one based off of someone the developer knew in real life

[@sockmuppet568]

To really understand how fucked Jimmy sees the world and other people, just look at the section with the invisible horse that can only notice you when you move. Jimmy tries to get some mouthwash (something he wants) and this invisible horse tries to stop him. Now Anya, to protect herself from jimmy, sleeps with the motion activated pony express mascot positioned in such a way that if someone were to come by it would sound and alert her that someone (Jimmy) was near. Jimmy in the invisible horse section personifies the motion activated pony express mascot as a huge threat and impediment to his desires... that desire being to get mouthwash and ALSO to rape Anya. Yes, He doesn't even view his desire to rape Anya through any other lens outside of how it affects him. In his mind the motion activate pony express mascot (the invisible horse) is unfairly harassing him and by extension places his shit idea to use mouthwash as a disinfectant on daisuke and his desire to rape Anya as morally equivalent. They are equivalent as they are simply both something he wants to do. Edit: notice how that section starts with the words "Be Quite". is that something he has to do, or something he said to anya?

[@PHONEyah]

wow

[@jjj7790]

Well fuck that certainly puts a spin on the fact the Jimmy broke the statue some time after they found the mouthwash and is really fucking pleased about it too if you ever prompt the broken statue.

[@sockmuppet568]

@@jjj7790 The man is the quintessential narcissistic psychopath but written well and because of that is one of the most reprehensible characters i've ever seen.

[@phoenixsplash135]

Love the theory, but it's sound based not motion based I believe. You can walk really slow instead of stopping and it won't attack you.

[@pepp418]

sorry when is Anya sleeping with this mentioned? Is this something explicitly shown?

[@alephnole7009]

Jimmy in a hotdog costume: "all I'm saying is we gotta find the guy who did this."

[@maybemablemaples2144]

Standing in the ship that he crashed into an asteroid :3

[@Oku944]

I find Curly to be such an interesting character. How his lack of action puts him into a state where he can't take any action at all. How he is now forced to watch as his decision (or lack of) make everything turn terrible. To see how Jimmy, a person he clearly sees as a friend and thinks can change for the better, be revealed as the monster he truly is. To suffer the same abuse as Anya, (There is already some verbal abuse from Jimmy before the crash, best example being the birthday party) . And then to watch Anya eventually overdose. And probably worst for him, is he can't do anything to take responsibility, to even talk and apologize , or just do anything to atone for his fuck up. While Jimmy has all the power, and uses none of it take responsibility. And instead uses it to run away from it. Its probably why i still feel a semblance of pity for Curly.

[@TheSergio1021]

"Choosing to do nothing is still a choice"

[@Toxic_Korgi]

At worst Curly should have been fired from his job. At best, Jimmy should've been fired from the airlock.

[@satyropodobny101]

It's like the events of the game are Curly's own ironic hell, forcing him to confront direct consequences of enabling Jimmy by stripping him of all his agency and bodily autonomy. Which is exactly what Jimmy took from Anya.

[@Oku944]

@@Toxic_Korgi From the dev QnA, Curly wasn't even gonna keep his job, everyone was getting fired but Curly was getting commendations. But yes, at worst Curly deserves to be fired or to have Anya give a sucker punch to him lol

[@Oku944]

@@satyropodobny101 And then forced to be kept alive by Jimmy. Which is another nice contrast to how Daisuke is put out of his misery from Swansea, while Jimmy keeps Curly in lingering pain becuse "alive is good, alive is well"

[@xyzero1682]

Jimmy, standing on the giant hand during the eclipse, trying to convince fucking VOID, "I can fix it".

[@MrLonelyIsland]

He crashed into an asteroid. He orchestrated it. JIMMY! But, no, Curly said. “Not Jimmy. Couldn’t be precious Jimmy!” And he gets to be co-captain?? What a sick joke!

[@SuperMrSkully]

And he gets to be a lawyer? What a sick joke! I know he switched those numbers, he... HE DEFICTED THROUGH A SUNROOF! You think someone happens to fall like that on a billboard?

[@z-mac664]

There’s a Mystery of the Druids cover of this rant that’s really good.

[@patrickloureiro351]

The most disgusting part to me is that even at the very end when everything was said and done jimmy STILL tought that the only thing he had done wrong was getting curly hurt, he never felt remorse about what he did to anya.

[@atdrawn]

Him blocking out Anya's corpse at first and then entirely blocking her face in every id card flying around him while he's hallucinating is so enraging. He focuses so much on Curl, he acknowledges Daisuke and Swansea, but he doesn't even or refuse to SEE Anya despite him causing so much pain to her. Fuck Jimmy

[@Terithian]

He shot himself while still considering himself the hero of the story who has now fixed everything, which is revolting.

[@07734Jr]

He barely acknowledges Anya at all towards the end. The closest he comes to acknowledging her is the baby but thats mostly because he thinks about how that'll impact him! Anya's presence almost disappears at the end of the game and she has zero presence in any of the nightmare sequences.

[@conelybiscuit4985]

i think the fact that even his hallucination of Polle calls him out on not caring about Anya would suggest that he felt some extremely repressed pang of remorse, even if only for that one moment. i don't think it's a coincidence that when Polle points it out, he instantly snaps out of his hallucinations and goes right back to factory zero "everything is fine" mode, freezes Curly, and kills himself. i'd even go so far as to say the previous hallucinations could be read more like a self-indulgent *emulation* of guilt, capped off with when he kneels in front of Curly and "apologizes" in a big heroic moment - but then Polle is the one that gets him to actually feel that type of crushing remorse for real, for just a second, and it basically shuts him down mentally in a way the other hallucinations didn't. ultimately i think that's what drives a lot of Jimmy's actions: not necessarily being incapable of remorse, but being unable to process or even acknowledge it once he does something he knows he should feel bad about, necessitating that he just keep running from it. more than anything else i think the cognitive dissonance inherent in that way of thinking is what unmoors him over the course of the game and ultimately leads to his suicide, even if part of him was still convinced he was dying a hero.

[@marcelinelansing7475]

@@conelybiscuit4985 Consider too what Polle serves as in Jimmy's mindspace. Is Polle Jimmy's visualization for Anya's unborn baby? In I believe *all* of Jimmy's nightmare sequences, the sound of a crying baby seems to emanate from the Polle statues. The baby you're hunting for in the wombehelit-section is a horse, and the centipede made of horses makes baby sounds I believe. The very first sequence in the game is Jimmy crashing the ship as a means to 'run away' from the baby, only for that baby to corner him at every turn. Or, alternatively, Polle is his mental image of *Anya*? Since 'Anya' and 'unborn child' are basically the same thing for him; a problem he doesn't want to deal with or take responsibility for. On the one hand, that speech at the end could be his psyche wearing the face of the unborn baby, in which case he's not really feeling direct remorse for his actions towards Anya - he's projecting what he believes that unborn baby must think of him, and what kinds of issues it would have with his actions. This interpretation could suggest that he views this unborn baby as more of a human worth caring about than Anya, and in the end is attempting to redeem himself in that child's eyes by sticking to 'no I'm going to fix it though, see watch, I'm a hero'. Or, on the other hand, Polle could be his psyche's visualization of Anya. Consider the big spooky invisible horse section. You can't just run away from that horse, you have to listen for it, stop, and wait for it to pass. This could represent that remorse inside of Jimmy, threatening to tear him to shreds if he doesn't acknowledge it and take time to consider and work through it. If we assume that what you're suggesting is true, and his final Polle is what gets him to feel even a moment of guilt or remorse for Anya herself, then we see that threat come to fruition, as he snaps out of it, returns to his 'I can fix it' schtick, and shoots himself to avoid confronting or considering that lurking guilt. I kinda like this interpretation better, simply because it gives Anya literally any amount of power in the story by being the voice that finally convinces Jimmy to off himself, even if that voice is one that only exists in Jimmy's head. Either way he's still running away from his guilt - it's just a matter of whether or not he ever comes to recognize Anya as a human being worth his remorse.

[@Tukenfarben]

I still feel bad for Curly because I've BEEN Curly. I've been the guy "too nice" to tell my buddy to stop. Nowhere near the shit Jimmy was doing obviously, but being "nice" to your dickhead friend and not clamping down HARD on his bullshit is hurting way more people than you even know.

[@Neostrius]

29:00 In my opinion the really bitter thing about the ending, and what signifies it as a well-crafted tragedy, is that him ending himself provides no solace or catharsis. If anything it should make you even more resentful because he escaped responsibility yet again, thinking he was being an hero, or at least "doing the right thing" to make amends. That is his final moment, spent enjoying what is in his mind a victory and taking the easy way out, never having learned a thing, never acknowledging that the things he did can never be undone or made right.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

"No solace or Catharsis" "All I have in common with the uncontrollable and the insane, the vicious and the evil, all the mayhem I have caused and my utter indifference toward it, I have now surpassed. I still, though, hold on to one single bleak truth: no one is safe, nothing is redeemed. Yet I am blameless. Each model of human behavior must be assumed to have some validity. Is evil something you are? Or is it something you do? My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape. But even after admitting this-and I have countless times, in just about every act I’ve committed-and coming face-to-face with these truths, there is no catharsis. I gain no deeper knowledge about myself, no new understanding can be extracted from my telling. There has been no reason for me to tell you any of this. This confession has meant nothing..." - J*mmy

[@TheSergio1021]

I love how little we know about the world outside of the ship. It's all contained in what is essentially a large metal coffin.

[@Princeps32]

"And we are being forced to PLAY THROUGH 'but it's not my fault though!'" fucking dead on

[@starwars90001]

Jimmy confirmed a deeply held belief I have about evil. Pure evil is the best evil not because it's better but because it's honest and upfront with itself that's why people like those characters. Jimmy's evil which is the type of evil that is most dishonest is why he's hated.

[@sunkeyavad6528]

It's just 1 extra layer of bad. Being just as bad but then also dishonest is an extra negative trait. Meanwhile honest is postiive trait. Hence if just as evil, honest-evil is less negative than dishonest-evil.

[@Daniel_Lancelin]

I would actually switch those definitions; what you refer to as "pure" evil is essentially someone losing their inner battle and surrendering to sin, because they do not believe in a better version of themselves. Such characters are likeable because we can usually sympathize with the motives that turned then down the wrong path, and we want them to see the error of their ways. Jimmy's brand of evil - a more delusional and narcissistic kind - is much more absolute (I would even say Satanic in a sense), because he literally never even has that conversation with himself. He _can't_ feel guilt or repentance for his actions because his ego has convinced him that he was _in the right,_ both morally and pragmatically, for doing what he did. That's the kind of evil that can *never* be forgiven. (Disclaimer: if my theological phrasing is disagreeable to any atheists/agnostic readers, I do believe biblical concepts can still be applicable to a secular worldview if taken metaphorically. I'm not trying to be preachy - it's just the framework I use for discussing and rationalizing topics like morality.)

[@1wayroad935]

You have to admire Jimmy's Royal Guard skill at parrying responsibility

[@sunkeyavad6528]

Here's a fun thought: Isn't it also awfully convenient that Curly just happens to lose both his hands, feet and ability to speak, making it impossible for him communicate to help clear some things up? What a lucky coincidence for Jimmy.

[@HDmexsComboCon]

Makes the Laugh more brutal.

[@THExMRxLOKKI]

The worst part is, if Curley HADN’T been so horribly injured and incapable of communicating he’d probably still be trying to help Jimmy…

[@cristinasandoval8541]

Oh my!

[@daedlus1220]

"Poor you. Caged and misunderstood." AT THIS POINT JIMMY?!?!?!?!

[@facundomontivero2299]

It really is a testament of just how well written Jimmy's awfulness is, that, while a lot of players don't realise he's a scumbag until the reveal that he crashed the ship, the few players that have had the displeasure of having to deal with someone like Jimmy in real life pick up on all of his toxic behaviour from the beginning and lock in that he's a garbage person immediately.

[@PlutopianSociety]

That was honestly the most mind blowing part of this game for me (that people don't immediately realize Jimmy is a piece of shit). The entire "I'm the captain now" scene feels like it should be instantly recognizable. I'd get people not picking up on Anya specifically right away if they weren't familiar, but Jimmy should stand out from the beginning. I'm still not actually sure if Anya was a repeated occurrence that happened to result in pregnancy this time (and thus proof that Curly couldn't outright dismiss) or if this was the first time he assaulted Anya (I'm at least certain Jimmy assaulted other women before on Earth: see his certainty about making a cocktail guaranteed to knock someone out)

[@pepp418]

when he's giving curly a piece of his mind and is going off on each member of the crew, his comment on Anya is so nothing that it says everything about him. "Anya never got into medical school because she’s… well, let’s be real." with the others he thinks of some put-down but he can't even be bothered to finish the thought because he doesn't even really know anything about Anya. He doesn't think about her. I was gunning against him since he was rude about having to give curly his meds but that was the point that really locked him in as a misogynistic piece of shit for me.

[@Maverick2736]

The social mask of manipulation and lies that narcissistic psychos wear is hard to notice if you're not aware and knowledgeable enough to recognize them, and there's a LOT of very innocent and gullible people out there. That's why so many people get screwed over by Jimmies irl.

[@CaffeinatedKing]

Yeah, you kind of go "...This guy seems like a bit of a dick" very quickly, and I assumed he was going to devolve over the course of the story, the surprise to me was that he had already long since devolved. People not picking up on Jimmy kind of reminds me of how people buy into Dutch in RDR2 (When they haven't played the first game yet) but everything he says is clearly manipulative from the start.

[@Charronia]

What I like about this game is that it's a barrel of red herrings. It throws out horror tropes like chaff to keep you guessing what the story's actually about, which includes making it look like Swansea's going to be the villain. In the end, he's the one who has no illusions left about what he is.

[@seandixon5737]

And with the red herrings are some real shit. Like noticing which chair you're sitting in during the beginning. I didn't even notice it at first.

[@CasualCoreK]

23:10 this is kinda like a GOOD version of Heavy Rain's enormous sin of the villain lying to the player through internal monologue... Jimmy is so delusional that he ACTUALLY THINKS he's not at fault for the things he did!

[@CrimsonRedHeat9]

Jimmy's man child jealousy of Curly is so stupid. The moment he is told he would be getting fired he throws a tantrum at the thoguht of Curly going on to "bigger and better things," Curly is the lead of a group of delivery truck drivers in a failing company. The guy who gets delegated the work managers don't want to do. He has the least glamorous jobs you can imagine and this is what Jimmy is jealous of. To top it off, in a Q&A the devs did on the steam page, the one with Daisuke in the thumbnail just past the art of Swansea and Daisuke in funny hats, Curly is also getting fired, but he will be receiving "Commendations," and, "Excellent References," as they put it; its Linktin fluff that Curly likely won't even add to his page. This is what Jimmy is jealous of.

[@Nobodyandthegiant]

The part that killed me was the employee ID cards... and every single one of Anya's cards is literally hidden underneath everyone else's. Even his imagery barely acknowledges her.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

I go with the interpretation that it's not that he simply disregards her but that he actively suppresses her and what he did to her from his mind. The Polle scene at the end is my biggest proof of this

[@ShotgunGabe]

One fun gun fact!. The gun Jimmy used is a Metaba Unica its basically a gun that tries to outmatch 2 different kinds of pistols, but it ends ups being nothing but a expensive pistol that breaks itself. Now it might be unintentional by the devs and mostly a concidence because the unica have been used in multiple scifi media like ghost in the shell but its still very simbolic of jimmy character imo

[@catnerdadrian7601]

Oh my god the narcissist using the "you are unique" holy shit thank you for pointing that out

[@kattastic9999]

Also very indicative of how Pony Express operates. No expense spared (for themselves) and full of utter incompetence

[@Poppenheimer69]

If only Jimmy had a gold-plated tiger-striped Mateba .44 by his side - everything would work out

[@threerings13]

Jimmy is infuriating, but Curly...there are SO MANY Curlys in the world who just apologize for their bros and make excuses for them and give them chance after chance. It's implied Jimmy had some "Trouble" back on Earth. Yeah, I'll bet he did. Curly brought him out there knowing what kind of dude he was and put everyone in danger. This phenomenon is known as a Missing Stair that everyone just accommodates until they finally do something unforgiveable. At which point it's far too late for the victims. Ugh. This game is so good.

[@threerings13]

We could rename the Missing Stair Theory the Dead Pixel Theory for this game though.

[@luccagiovani]

This is so relatable. I had a friend who keeps hurting people left and right. When we were younger we could kinda sweep It under the rug, but at 30 years old... Bro, you got some issues to fix. Had to cut that friendship off because I can't be sure he won't hurt the people I introduce to him or their friends.

[@Birthday888]

I kinda disagree that Curly knew what type of person Jimmy was? You could argue that he should have known what kind of person Jimmy was, or that he should have seen the numerous red flags. But I doubt somenody who knew the type of person Jimmy was would have let them in the cockpit after the conversation he had with Curly. The running theme with Curly is that his attempts to do "the right thing" end disasterously for him and the people around him, much like Jimmy, though not for the same reasons. Also, I think the unfortunate reality is that Curly's options for dealing with Jimmy were pretty limited? People like to point out that Jimmy could have been placed in cryo sleep or been physically detained, but considering what we know about Pony Express, I highly doubt they would include a co-pilot into the crew unless said co-pilot was essential for completing the journey. From that POV, trying to appease Jimmy and convince him to stop makes a lot more sense. I won't argue that Curly absolutely failed Anya though.

[@jjj7790]

​@@Birthday888 "I highly doubt they would include a co-pilot into the crew unless said co-pilot was essential for completing the journey." The Pony Express is not a company exactly a good example of practical and efficient organization. The world-building of Mouthwashing is that this whole thing was a shit show from top to bottom, the company created an environment where this sort of thing can happen (no locks on the sleeping quarters). Curly's dismissive attitude allowed his abusive friend to get away with repeatedly assaulting another crew member. No one else has the authority to stop him, and the literal only tool the company gives the captain for dealing with crew unrest is a fucking gun. Also Curly was an enabler and failed to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY as the captain. He was literally the only person with the authority and power to actually do anything about Anya's situation. The game makes a big thing in narrative and game play (with the code scanner) about how the structure of the company ensures that just about everything in the ship is locked behind a code scanner that the Captain is the only one allowed to access, and this includes safety equipment that in a normal situation would require urgent access like a fire axe. The Captain is the only member of the crew with access to everything and everyone else has to scrape for any agency that they can get (Swansea keeps the fire axe once Curly gives it to him and never lets go of it). Curly absolutely knew what kind of person Jimmy was, but he also was his friend, and he valued that friendship over holding Jimmy responsible for anything that he does until the point that Jimmy forced himself into the Captains seat, and he was powerless to do anything. Here's the thing about people like Jimmy. People who are capable of evil things are also capable of being loved and cared for and having good friends who want to support them. My read is that Curly felt sorry for Jimmy because he knew he was a troubled person with no place back on Earth, and he felt like he needed to make sure Jimmy had a place to belong. People will often make excuses for their familial relations who end up being dirtbags, because "that's , we grew up together." Also, if a co-pilot was essential they could've promoted Daisuke. Daisuke is a fuck-up, but he listens to instruction and is worlds better than someone they knew had violent destructive tendencies. It is implied that Jimmy originally went to the cockpit to get the gun in the captain's locker, and decided to crash the ship because he couldn't find it. Because Anya hid it. Because she knew he would go for it. Because Jimmy is shit.

[@psyc840]

⁠@@jjj7790Daisuke? Really? Look, I love the kid but he was in no position to be a co-pilot. The bigger problem being posed was about wtf was supposed to be done about Jimmy without invoking ire from Pony Express and losing their last paycheque. Have you SEEN the kind of crap that they’ll deduct pay for? Locking Jimmy in cryosleep? That an unnecessary waste of power! Confining him somewhere? That’s assaulting a fellow crewmate! They probably wouldn’t even be able to report Jimmy’s crimes either on that matter.

[@TheDragonStream]

All of my homies HATE Jimmy!

[@peyodogo4864]

Something that really strikes me about Anya is how she's sold to us as a failure of a nurse, yet she's kept Curly alive for months on first aid kits, painkillers and a prayer. But she struggles to force the pills on him - as would many people prone to nausea due to pregnancy or recently traumatized by SA - and that's all the crew and a portion of the playerbase make of her. She's also competitive and has a pretty funny sense of humor, if you look at the environment clues. And she cares *a lot* about her desired line of work, even if she's unsuccessful at it. But at the end of the day, the need to fawn at her abuser who is now in charge as well as her dire fucking circumstances wear on her and transform her into what we see in the post crash segments. And all because of fucking Jimmy. And Curly, friendly puppy ass enabler that he is.

[@Terithian]

You say all the crew call her a failure, but it's 99% Jimmy. All there was apart from that was one offhand comment by Swansea. Jimmy has gaslit everyone into thinking she's totally incompetent.

[@dasprints]

It is an accomplishment that she was able to keep Curly alive as long as they did. Although it is stated by the devs that she failed nursing school 8 times before landing the job with Pony Express. So she was in a bad place that got her a place on that ship in the first place.

[@Blacktoothoneil]

@@dasprintsbut she’s clearly passionate about nursing and her failing 8 times is proof of that, because that means she came back to try again 9 times.

[@dasprints]

@@Blacktoothoneil oh definitely but I more just bring it up as more to point out she had a big failing streak in the past that gave them ammo against her. Her continuing to keep at it is great like you said and she got done so dirty by everything.

[@peyodogo4864]

@@Terithian Yeah, it's true that Daisuke and Curly are chill with her as far as I recall. There was more than that one Swansea line, though. Still not as much as Jimmy, but I think it's safe to say he thinks her a failure.

[@popogeejo]

Curly is fascinating because Jimmy is an obvious evil while Curly is an idiot but not as far as I read the game, evil or malicious. He's just painfully unwilling to confront reality. I think he genuinely cared about Anya, just not enough to confront the shit going on. When he goes to do the psych eval we literally walk past warning signs and the questions are purely "Can yo do your job?" Curly just isn't capable of the human elements of leadership and responsibility. Besides that there's also the whole other element of how Pony Express treats them all like Jimmy treats Anya: No concern, punishments for the mere act of being human and unthinking dismissal once they're no longer of use.

[@SirJames079]

I do think that given more time Curly probably would have accepted reality and detained/locked up/thrown Jimmy out the goddamn airlock, but unfortunately Jimmy ruined things far too quickly for that to ever take place. Curly cared, but he was too close to Jimmy to be able to do what needed to be done when it needed to happen

[@popogeejo]

@@SirJames079 Absolutely. Curly is the well meaning guy who wants to avoid conflict until it's unmanageable but I feel he'd do the right thing eventually. It's why despite his flaws Anya clearly is never worried around him and actually jokes with him but never Jimmy.

[@SirJames079]

@@popogeejo Exactly, yeah. It's also where I think Anya's "our worst moments don't make us monsters" thing is truly pointed at, not the supposed crashing of the ship. She was kinda crushed by Curly's failure but knew and liked him enough that she wanted to believe he could have been better had things gone differently.

[@whiteblacklight9603]

Curly did nothing wrong. Curly did nothing right, either.

[@Birthday888]

​​@@whiteblacklight9603I think that's kinda the sentence to sum up Curly's character yeah. The one thing he felt morally compelled to do, reveal to everyone that they were going to be fired, unintentionally sets in motion the events of the game. It's also kinda reveals how fucked they all were as well the moment the trip began? Because as much as people like to talk about Curly's inaction to deal with Jimmy, I highly doubt that the cost cutting Pony Express would include a co-pilot positoin onto the Tulvar unless it was almost impossible for a pilot to regularly make the journey by themselves. So really, it was a lose lose situation. In hindsight of course, Curly probably wishes he just bit the bullet and tried to make the journey by himself.

[@a.gravemistake3061]

I think Curly reacted the way he did because he was gutted. His friend, the person *he* invited onto the ship, *did that* to one of his *other friends*, someone he's worked with for years. It's clear he's not a confrontational guy to begin with. He goes to Jimmy like, 'Is this true? Did you do that?', and Jimmy's response kills him. When he says 'fix it' to Anya, I think he's still in the state of mind that there must be some kind of misunderstanding, that it can't be true. He's going to 'fix it'. He's going to talk and figure it out. But he can't. Because it happened, and the friend he thought was just a fuck up was actually a monster, and what happened to Anya because of Curly couldn't be 'fixed'. He couldn't make it better. The realization buried him.

[@ROFLdude_Lv.99]

If you want to see just how fucked from the start everyone on the ship was just look at the Pony Express posters that ultimately say "Did someone do something wrong? Everyone will be punished. Did someone sleep longer than 5 hours? Everyone is at fault. Was the delivery late? Everyone will have the cost taken from their paychecks." Anya could not say anything sooner because the rest of the crew would be punished, not just Jimmy. Curly could not lock Jimmy in any of the unlockable areas. If Jimmy was placed in the cargo hold Jimmy could destroy the shipment and the company would not be happy. If he was placed in med-bay he could destroy the limited medical supplies or kill himself, either way Pony Express would not be happy and the rest of the crew would be found at fault. If Jimmy was placed in the cockpit then he could just crash the ship. Curly was spineless but ultimately Pony Express, who serves the crew food which may or may not contain human derived gelatin and high levels of quinine (which is used to treat malaria...there shouldn't any mosquitos in a spaceship, which implies that any emergency blood supplies on the ship contain bloodborne illness necessitating a need for quinine) that they have to pay for either out of pocket or have it be deducted from their paychecks. The crew were a collection of losers of society that lost at life and Pony Express came out the winners.

[@peterwhite6415]

Worse part: Even when Pony Express losses (by going bankrupt) you know the ones who are gonna suffer are the people with jobs. Meanwhle the higher ups either jumped ship or are dodging a bunch of lawsuits (theres no way a company like this wouldnt be getting some lawsuits).

[@cyberninjazero5659]

Something I thought about. What if Anya was allowed to sleep in Med Bay? Wouldn't undo what happened, but it would give her some security

[@herosshade2247]

It took me a while to get this but "take responsibility" has multiple meanings. In Jimmy's twisted mind he thinks he needs to TAKE responsibility (from Curly) And that has a lot of unsettling implications Because you could apply it to what he did to Anya as well

[@alepthanderson5189]

To take responsibility (of anya's baby). To take curly's responsibilities as a captain and as a leader. To take responsibility for coercing daisuke into harm. To take responsibility for curly's sense of dignity and wellbeing by NOT feeding on him, or putting him out of his misery. All of these, he has failed to do, and then some.

[@SinnerBeta]

The worst part about having past shames and low moments, second to hurting people, is looking back at them and wondering if you're the Jimmy, just too self absorbed to recognize it.

[@Mahan1372]

Holy shit I was just thinking about this. As someone who constantly - sometimes to an unreasonable extent - criticizes themselves, this is one of my biggest anxieties. What if I’ve done something in my past that I didn’t recognize the gravity of at the time, or what if the mistakes that I do recognize are worse than I remember? There is really never any evidence of this being the case, but it doesn’t stop the thoughts. I just hate the idea of running away from accountability without realizing it, and this game tapped into that anxiety for me

[@MinersLoveGames]

I was the Jimmy in a situation a few years back. Stress and burnout were a contributing factor, but I still wound up hurting people (not physically, and nowhere close to the extent of actual Jimmy, just to be clear) regardless. Still one of my most shameful moments.

[@MaskedSongbird]

@@Mahan1372 I've noticed that as of late I've become incredibly fascinated by, almost to the point of obsession, in horror and horror-adjacent media in which the POV character is horribly monstrous in some fashion and that part of the implicit horror is the dawning realization for the audience that the very human character they've been sympathizing with is, in fact, a monster. Mouthwashing, Silent Hill 2, Spec Ops: The Line, and The Shining area all good or at least decent examples of what I'm talking about. And I suspect part of the reason I've become so obsessed with this weirdly specific category (genre?) of fiction is because it taps into that anxiety you describe--how precisely because the protagonist is or at least seems sympathetic at first glance that it causes me to relate to them, and the fact that I can so easily empathize someone who is so recognizable as a monster distresses me on some level, because what does it say about me? It's such good writing and such good fuel for introspection as an audience member, I feel.

[@Mahan1372]

@@MaskedSongbird Exactly! It almost humbles you in a way, and makes you realize that we always want to believe that we are the good person in our own story because the weight of facing your mistakes is just too much to bear (not for everyone, but in a lot of cases). We are all heroes of our own stories until we are actually put to the task. (Again, more of general point about the topic and not directly related to Jimmy’s specific action).

[@Mahan1372]

@@MinersLoveGames Hardest part for me is moving on from the shame, but that could be my severe anxiety lmao, and that’s a whole different story.

[@clockworkNate]

Jimmy wanted everything curly had, his higher up position of power without any of the responsibilities and consequences , but the moment that Curly said he didn't even really care about keeping that position is when I think Jimmy resented him even more.

[@SvarogAristaeusAllen]

I'm convinced Curly knew how bad Jimmy was on some level. They've known each other for a long time, there's no way this is Jimmy's first time doing something heinous, especially when you consider how easily he knew how to drug Swansea.

[@hallowvenixya9215]

Anya is only mostly viewed in the game through the lens of her sexual assaulter after he's done it. Jimmy-vision plus her trauma makes her look worse than she is but in truth she's likely very good at her job.

[@SinnerBeta]

To people that have to talk about Jimmy: I'm sorry you had to talk about Jimmy.

[@Haviktrocity]

The bigger fucked up thing about Jimmy choosing to save Curly is obviously to serve Jimmy's self perception of "redemption" and "accepting responsibility" but in a way besides the obvious of saving an already hopeless person, he instantly negates it on account that not only did he take the easy way out to not ever have to confess a single thing to the public, but also the sole person he saves would be the one person who is not physically able to speak and spread that dirt to still, at the end of the day, save his own ass of public perception even when he's fucking dead anyways. His one final act, and he still couldnt do any good if not sunk it deeper in the net negative of responsibility. Idk if the devs had also intended that as just an extra layer of Jimmy being so fucked up, but given his character it genuinely wouldnt be surprising.

[@murrmurrr8276]

Jimmy feels like the embodiment of dangerous ineptitude. Some guy that was stupid but confident.

[@LJdaOG]

Jimmy is a fantastic object lesson. But remember to not stop at just asking yourself if you're Jimmy, even if it's a great first step. That by itself isn't enough to avoid becoming him. Jimmy did that and he's still utter slime.

[@conelybiscuit4985]

"Am I Jimmy? ...No, it's the Jimmies who are Jimmy." -Jimmy

[@threerings13]

Oh and the WORST thing on a second time through is that Anya can't handle forcing the pills on Curly and the sounds and what that might imply about what happened to her.

[@ksomiak8623]

Please everyone remember, Anya is actually a good medic and managed to keep Curly alive. Just because she can't force feed Curly because of trauma, doesn't make her incompetent

[@marcelinelansing7475]

Yeah like... look at that man. She's worked a *miracle* keeping him alive. It's easy to assume she sucks because Jimmy and Swansea both talk a lot of shit about her. But Swansea talks shit about everyone, and Jimmy is Jimmy.

[@silverphoenix4934]

​@@marcelinelansing7475how come she failed entry exams 3 times? She may have done a really good job near the end of her life but she can still be less than good generally. That's OK.

[@LordOsiris499]

Her pregnancy doesn’t help her nausea either

[@Quikanims]

@@silverphoenix4934 I'd assume she probably does terribly in testing environments or is JUST beneath what qualifies to be a proper licensed doctor. Through out the game she shows being above average in intelligence, just not to the extent of achieving her dreams. Had Jimmy not fucked everything up, she most likely would've eventually succeeded in med school given her determination and extensive studying during her cruise.

[@whiteblacklight9603]

She failed the med school entry exam *8* times. She's a good person. She's a terrible doctor.

[@EATABAGOFHELL]

18:20 i mean if we're _really_ being big pedantic space nerds, then: they smacked into an object going near lightspeed; you'd need like sixteen digits to even describe the kinetic energy of that collision. the Tulpar should actually be pretty easy to locate because it is the hottest and brightest cloud of annihilated plasma in the sky. that obviously doesn't make for a very interesting horror story though.

[@megamike15]

we did it. we made a chracter with no redeeming qualities . screw you jimmy.

[@chrisdaughen5257]

A major thing players hate about characters like Ted Farro and Jimmy (and maybe Solas from Veilguard) is that they cause the story’s big problem… but don’t lose any of their power, and continue to make things EVEN WORSE. But the key thing is that they STILL don’t have any control of the situation. If you've experienced failure at any point in your life, this kind of character will set you off on how they somehow avoid consequences.

[@yabblins2599]

Jimmy being the protagonist of the game should not detract from the fact that the story is not truly about him. As a narcissist, he believes he is the central figure of the story, but he is more a force of nature if anything. He is the Black Plague, he is Mount Vesuvius, he is the ice burg, the slasher, the xenomorph. A walking irredeemable tragedy who could have never amounted to anything but pain and grief for others. The horror comes in realizing that there _was_ a human being who was capable of stopping him, but didn't. Curly doomed his crew to Jimmy, as surely as Dennis Nedry doomed Jurassic Park to the dinosaurs. There is a reason we end on his perspective. Curly is the focus. Curly is a warning. In the end, Curly gets to suffer the most for allowing Jimmy to _be_ Jimmy. That is the only solace that Mouth Washing gives.

[@quincallahan6323]

I really like Swansea. He's basically a false antagonist who is really just seemingly a normal kind of jerk. I'm also unsure of his real motivations for hiding the cryopod; my assumption was he thought it would tear the crew apart (which it would).

[@tiagomain1409]

Personally I read it as him hiding it from jimmy and with the secret talk with anya that he might have been fishing for a good candidate for the pod. With how he talked about daisuke at the end I interpreted that as he wanted him in the pod but sadly never got the chance to.

[@aleg719]

His final speech implies he knew they were gonna die but he could have at least give daisuke a chance with the cryo-pod. But at the same time the discovery of mouthwash made him fall back on alcoholism so he failed noticing how dangerous Jimmy could be to Daisuke. I think his talk with Anya is what lead her to lock herself when they ran out of food so she can have her quiet death

[@Szriko]

He wanted to give it to Daisuke, but didn't want there to be crew fighting over who 'gets it', as far as I can tell.

[@Null_Experis]

Swansea was a hard-ass, but he was still good at heart. He's the kind of man who fought his demons and won, but came out at the end scarred and bitter, with his only hope being placed in younger people. He obviously cares about his children, and even feels responsible for Daisuke. He's hard on him, but he's still trying to teach him, even going over the basics of circuit design and introducing him slowly to more complex work.

[@marzgamingmaster]

Holy crap, the incredibly aggressive ad push KZbin is doing is really ruining these kinds of discussions. "So when Anna KILLS HERSELF-" "Celebrate the season this year, with Fannie Mae ™️©️®️ chocolates. Now is the time for togetherness and family." Just, wow. I know the creators have no control over this at all, but this was so jarring it shocked me.

[@t.dmattocks6119]

Oh yeah it's been low key driving me mad.

[@jhkgyg098]

People have already said it but curly situation is so prominent. In real life, in real life a lot of people stand by their friend if they are accused of doing something wrong. Understandable you are invested in that person. Then you find out that its true, your friend really did that fuck shit. Now you can disengage, unfriend that person you'll have to live with that guilt. But at the end of the day you will have learned and lived. Curly is in that exact situation but its goes as bad as it possibly could have. Curly cant "right" his wrong for not trying harder. He can do nothing but watch as shit falls apart. He watches Anya die right next to him. I found it the most interesting how close she was too curly, when she died. Which emphasizes how much she still cared about him, even after he failed her. I also find it interesting that Curly also get treated exactly like Anya but without the SA. At the very end Anya, Curly, Daisuke, Sawnsea are all victims of Jimmy. The game has me in a chokehold everytime someone plays it. Its insane.

[@johndelanie3649]

"We did it Patrick! We saved the city!"

[@binuxuser]

I never realized a story about a suckass guy who does everything wrong was something I wanted all along

[@BowserwithaShotgun]

One of my favorite things is that a good chunk of the fans refuse to give any respect to Jimmy that they created an entire community created and monitored google doc full of alt names to call him instead of his actual name. My favorite on that list is still Jingle Jorts. :V

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

That’s…something alright

[@psyc840]

@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeatHey, we managed to find a character with hateability on par with JOFFERY. Did you expect anything different?

[@marceloduda21]

It really does hurt in the end...playing as Screwup-Jimmy Curly is too good, so good he gives his pal Jim too many chances since it looks like Jimmy has fucked up in the past and he still tried to help him. To the end he believed Jimmy could change, that he had some good in him, and after giving him too many chances shit literally blew up in his face.

[@angrybrony]

If it was anybody but a jimmy, it would have been an admiral trait, really.

[@ravenfrancis1476]

Enabling an abusive rapist because you're ignorant to their abusive tendencies is not what I would describe as "too good"

[@TheDazdndcunfusd]

Yea fr this is how rapists and real life get away with it, he also interrupts anya to check on Jimmy instead

[@321CBA19]

Why does everyone talk like curly sits on that shit for weeks? because it was like a day and then the ship blows up

[@ravenfrancis1476]

@321CBA19 The impact is the same

[@adams3627]

There are a lot of banal-evil bad guys. Most people know an Umbridge, or an Officer Tenpenny. NOT everybody knows a Jimmy, and if you do I AM SORRY.

[@Anarkyfloyd]

Imagine has Jimmy as leader of your country. That was happen in Thailand for past 10 years

[@rikimaru700]

Trumpp will be ours again :(

[@maybemablemaples2144]

Jimmj makes me appreciate James more now. At least that dude still took some sort of responsibility or acknowledged what he did. But Jimbo..Jimbo just said the hell with that bs. I fixed it.

[@Allups]

the spoiler cast before the full LP is uploaded is crazy work boss

[@MLGHazrad]

This game might make me wary of space flight. It reminds me of that one movie where it was revealed that a bunch of humans went crazy in this huge space ship due to how Earth was destroyed making them the last humans alive.

[@thewraithwriter22]

Pandorum

[@josephreddaway5342]

@@thewraithwriter22 I really enjoyed that movie, and it even had a fun twist at the end. I should rewatch it.

[@TheSergio1021]

@@MLGHazrad oh space flight is horrific. Its true. And people who like space just dont appreciate the fact that living on earth is definitely better than being stuck in a tin can going thousands of miles per hour through incomprehensible expanses of nothingness where any unplanned change could mean utter annihilation

[@RossMirage]

I need someone to make a meme of the usual "Characters that did nothing wrong" Annual Meeting, having Jimmy take a seat and them going "You don't belong here".

[@cyberninjazero5659]

Does Grifith really have any room to talk shit though?

[@goldsocks9999]

My favorite part is the lack of jumpscares. I love horror games but i hate things jumping out at me.

[@TheSergio1021]

@@goldsocks9999 facts. I like when the horror is more in the themes and encounters with monsters are treated more like puzzles than something you have to stress about.

[@natzo89]

A little ago I saw another podcast section about Yakuza and having that scum friend of a friend and it feels like a prophecy. "Can Jimmy come hang out?" "Jimmy is a rapist! No, he can't come hang out!"

[@t.dmattocks6119]

FUCK

[@boanoah6362]

It would actually, legitimately, be super in character for Jimmy to fuck up shooting himself, not even a little shocked if he might've blown out a cheek or popped a hole out the back of his head without bursting a vital blood vessel.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

A gentle reminder to always use dental floss.

[@redgunnit]

Fun fact: Polle's speech text at the end is the same color as Anya's. The character that literally calls Jimmy out for putting his guilt regarding Curly on a pedestal above everyone else, has the same text color as Anya. That can't be a coincidence. p.s One of the lines the Polle statue can say ends with "I love who I'm becoming, do you?"

[@millierockin1949]

22:55 Jimmy is literally Dennis from that Always Sunny episode “I just want the money, and the illusion of power” i’d finish the quote but given the circumstances i simply don’t want to

[@awwmahbreadsticks1094]

Oh god the implication is so much more fucked

[@daviejay]

Maybe, if you have a friend who feels bad for Jimmy in mouthwashing, run away.

[@conelybiscuit4985]

in response to Pat's point about them being trillions of miles off-course, wouldn't hitting *anything* at multiple AU a minute have just absolutely atomized the ship? it takes light over 8 minutes to cross a single AU, so they're apparently going several times the speed of light. at that point they're going so fast that the entire solar system would've been significantly rearranged by their impact, let alone the characters onboard. even going at a fraction of that speed would've blown up a lot more than just Curly and parts of the ship. so personally i think it's just the devs having a fairly loose sense of scale rather than something you're supposed to take as hard confirmation that Curly is screwed. i don't think you're supposed to know for sure either way, which i think is arguably more painful and just further puts you in Curly's shoes (or, uh, stump bandages) as he's just terrified and unsure if he'll wake up.

[@MrTrebleCleff]

The fact we don't have a general layout of the ship prolly waylays any questions, because I imagine if you presume the cockpit is at or near to the "bow" of the craft, and the cargo hold is laterally right behind it. Hitting that tiny rock would have vaporised the entire forward section and sent the entire cargohold collapsing like an accordion onto and over everything in between. Instead it's Foam foam and More Foam. Damn that's some good foam.

[@Slasher9485]

@@MrTrebleCleff My guess is that it wasn't a MASSIVE rock that they hit. But a rock big enough to cause a mass amount of damage. The way I see it is they hit the rock face first, rock EXPLODES on impact due to the speed of it getting hit and I assume catches fire on impact just based on friction. The bits of the rock splinter and causes damage all over the ship, hence why foam is everywhere. Swansea makes it very clear that if any of the foam patches are popped its a hull breach and they're all fucked. So the way I see it and the way Pat has shown it was Jimmy has them hit rock, Curly tries to stop it, they hit it anyway, and that one impact has them going adrift from their intended path and the speed keeps going because the ship has nothing really reducing its speed in space. Cause remember, Jimmy STEERED THE SHIP into the rock, obviously putting it off course with that alone. At speeds like that I'd imagine even moving a hundredth of a degree could get you lost in space.

[@djinnJuice-x-]

Oh, I never thought about this Part of the wacky aspects of FTL travel is that any true FTL object hitting something means that the impact will have the energy of an atomic bomb with the same mass A freighter like this probably would have shattered on the atomic level in the most violent manner possible

[@Sergei_Nohomo]

I always enjoy when the Jimmy is a Jimmy we know in our lives, it makes it a million times more effective.

[@lucariojet]

I don't know. At this point hearing Woolie talk about this with both Pat and EyePatchWolf, and reading the comments. The thing that's really bothering me is just how easy it is for everyone to dunk on a Jimmy or a Curly, but it feels like no one is openly engaging with the ways they may have been a Jimmy or a Curly. The way men tend to almost internally be grateful that a Jimmy exists because they can point to one and say "well, at least i'm not that bad" Like, on one hand it's great to see people not feeling obliged to defend a character even when they're directly in their shoes. But on the other hand, to play directly as both of those characters and still view them as people completely outside of yourself feels like it's missing something.

[@lucariojet]

Don't even get me started with the Shensea's goated talk. On one hand he is a great foil to Jimmy's character, on the other, his belligerent and violent tendencies aren't something to be admired or respected.

[@TheGibbie]

I think thr best thing curly could have done is throw jimmy into the cryopod as soon as he found out about the assault

[@psyc840]

Sorry mate. “Someone did something wrong? Everyone will be punished!” Pony Express really using collective punishment out here.

[@Shotgun_Gospel]

Like, you can't watch Griffith do stuff and be all like "Oh wow, yeah, I knew a guy like that, anywho...". Like, how can you just put something like that out there without expanding on it. Imagine at the end of Disco Elysium Woolie was just like "Man, yeah that takes me back".

[@El_Legante]

THE BLAME LIES WITH YOU, ISHMAEL!!!

[@marcelinelansing7475]

Hey, hey now. Ahab is *way* less evil than Jimmy. *gently kicks all of the corpses of the Pequod crew under the carpet.*

[@El_Legante]

@ Ok are we talkin book Ahab or Limbus Company Ahab?

[@marcelinelansing7475]

@@El_Legante Yes.

[@Used__Napkin]

This game was like playing an “am I the asshole?” post.

[@dillonbuescher]

I love how after all these years someone can say "Fuck Ted Faro" and I immediately get super pissed.

[@adamruiz3683]

To slightly play Devil's Advocate for Curly, what exactly could he have done about Jimmy? They're stuck in the space equivalent of a U-Haul truck for 8 months, it's not like he can just lock him up in a brig or his own room. At worst, he could throw him in one of the cryo-pods, but that's just a stop-gap until they eventually land, and he'll still need to explain everything afterwards, not to mention dealing with Anya's pregnancy the whole flight. All that said, I'm not defending Curly; anything would have been better than him doing LITERALLY NOTHING.

[@nikodemossowski4621]

put both Jimmy and Anya in a pod - one as a manner of arrest, other to halt the pregnancy progressing past certain point but that's hoping nothing happens during the trip that'd require a co-pilot or a nurse

[@MyRYNOrunsHot]

@@nikodemossowski4621 was going to say pretty much the same thing.

[@InfamousResult]

I think the worst part is that- in the "ideal" situation where Jimmy is put in, say, a cryo-pod... do people forget that he's a member of the crew who has an important function that still has to be fulfilled while he's out of commission? Maybe, MAYBE Curly can be the sole pilot, but I get the feeling there's two chairs in that cockpit for a reason and they don't just have the position on payroll for shits and giggles.

[@shiningknight23]

@@InfamousResult Fuck it Daisuke probably can't do much worse

[@TheSergio1021]

This is exactly what I think. I think Curly was punished enough. What can you do with a crew of 4 people who are stuck together for almost a year?

[@Mantis47]

You know there are different kinds of space horror stories. There’s stories like Alien, where the crew of a spaceship is stuck in space with a monster that’s killing them all. And then there are stories like Mouthwashing, where the crew of a spaceship is stuck in space with a monster that’s killing them all!

[@InfernalDalek]

As mp3 listener who hadn't played yet, it sure was fun trying to figure out how far I needed to skip ahead (while driving) to avoid the sudden spoiler-cast. Thanks for that, stream-watching and presumably unemployed fuckers! I love the setting for horror/drama; reminds me of Trigun.

[@Kibayasu]

The incredibly fun part about Fuck Ted Farro is asking someone what part of Fuck Ted Farro they're on because there are so many layers to Fuck Ted Farro.

[@kattastic9999]

He said he's "Pretty deep into it and FUCK Ted Faro" so I'm guessing he just got to the Omega bit, which is Pretty Up There on the Fuck Ted Faro list. And even _that's_ still not the top.

[@samueloakley4254]

Swansea the GOAT

[@ImiriDavid]

Pony Express ended all man made expeditions, so no one will ever find Curly

[@OrigamiPhoenix]

I read the dialog aloud with a friend as we went through it, without knowing the story, and I chose a hesitant weak voice for Anya a lot like Angela Orozco from Silent Hill 2, based on her resemblance to Shelley Duvall. I realized I had chosen perfectly by the end of it. (Daisuke is the other character who has a pretty obvious intended speaking style. He sounds like a surfer dude.)

[@Jimbo55151]

The thing with mouthwashing is I’ve never seen a game where the art and the fandom vids seems to be playing something completely different then what I played.

[@thickblacklava760]

*squints at username*

[@NameIsDoc]

Whatever you say Jimmy...

[@adamruiz3683]

It's nothing I haven't seen before. If there's one thing fans love to do, it's make fanart/fanfics that go places the original work doesn't/can't. A soft and cute show gets turned dark and edgy, or a grim and depressing one gets made fun and cute.

[@Jimbo55151]

@ I’ve never seen it at this level but I’ve also not engaged with as many fandoms

[@xyzero1682]

"Mouthwashing General? Why are there threads abo-OH GOD WHATS WITH THE YAOI???"

[@unamusedrohan1666]

One thing I love about all Mouthwashing discussions is that everyone, no matter how intellectual or measured they're trying to be, will always slip into some variation of "I want to kill Jimmy with a rock"

[@BigFingerRo]

2:56 How quickly Woolie forgot about Eric Sparrow's constant and insidious betrayal.

[@niishucks8220]

Erebus was actually named Jimmy

[@Житинеможливо]

Jimmy wishes he had half the moral fibre of Swansea

[@Null_Experis]

The Company will probably send a ship to investigate the disappearance of the Tulpar for a few reasons: 1) This was one of their last manned ships, it represents a significant investment and PR loss if it isn't found and blame isn't shifted away from the Company, and a massive insurance liability. The sensationalism and mystery of "the last Pony Express Freighter" would cause some public pressure. 2) The ship likely is programmed to drop buoys in emergency situations to guide salvage and rescue (emphasis on salvage) operations to recover lost cargo and justify an insurance payout (any insurance provider would DEMAND these for coverage) 3) The damage to the ship was not enough to disable all systems, so likely some form of communications is still working, even if it's just the emergency buoy recording the last know trajectory and speed of the Tulpar It's very likely that the insurance investigator assigned has a decent chance to find the Tulpar, and there is a good chance Curly will survive.

[@kairiwillow]

In a sea of male KZbinrs who either don’t get it or refuse to acknowledge it I’m glad I support you two

[@CosmicDogoran]

Got some names? I wanna watch how they process the game.

[@chuckleshelicopterwigwamjo6305]

I haven't seen a guy play this and not get it, so I'm not sure where you're coming from here

[@ShotgunGabe]

Here we go again someone making shit up to make a stawman.

[@_Somsnosa_]

​@@ShotgunGabe Watch some LPs and find out for yourself bang bang boy

[@EnvyMizuhashi]

Don't Call Your Kids Jimmy!

[@ProbablyNines]

Jimmy will forever hold a place in my heart. The hatred part i mean. Same place Light and Griffith and Obito

[@Tsunamidusher]

Oh man, this Jimmy gives me a vibe of that Paranoia Agent episode of the production coordinator- who kept screwing up every step of the production crew and made everyone's lives miserable

[@psyc840]

Take a rest! Take a rest! Take a rest! Take a rest! Take a rest! Take a rest! Take a rest! Take a rest! Take a rest!

[@phoenixsplash135]

Paige 100% did Pat's eyebrows

[@kaizerdeath12]

I'm so happy Eric Sparrow is still in the running, truly a man of the (dark) ages

[@angrymushroom26]

As Anya describes the mouthwash, the sugar content makes any benefit it could provide ineffective. Curly, Daisuke, and Swansea all are good people and supportive people with heavy flaws. but that is their sugar content. Curly should have taken charge rather than placate the monster. Swansea could have been the rock of experience for the crew but has let anger and bitterness consume him, Daisuke is kind of a weird alternative, the others are tainted by experience, he is worthless due to his inexperience, He doesn't know engineering and has the interpersonal skills of a 4 year old. Anya though feels closer to the rubbing alcohol. She was in over her head from the word go and the misuse of her resulted in nothing but pain and longing because she was never given the chance to grow and be useful with her own skils. Jimmy is the disease that the sugar of Curly's weakness helpped thrive. It is all a failure of cultural hygiene. Curly can't deal with the burn of responsibility so becomes complicite in evil by giving it what is needed to grow. Swansea knows better but has given up on taking care of himself and just falls back into the sickness of his past. Daisuke doesn't know any better and just sits there watching the world burn. Anya though is going through the emotional and mental version of Curly's torture, unable to take care of herself and at the mercy of caretakers that refuse to treat her suffering seriously if not just blame her for it.

[@LastHazzerd]

RIP to the people named Jimmy for a few months