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[@danganronper6278]

I like how the game doesn't go "It's you. The player's fault for everything" It's more like "You play as Jimmy. I'm sorry"

[@blackskullknight9062]

It one of those moments that you didn't choose to be a terrible person, you already are and you cannot change that fact.

[@BroudbrunMusicMerge]

It's the actual source of psychological horror

[@CountofBleck]

I hope this hurts

[@ascendedsleeper7820]

SpecOps Harassment vs. Mouthwashing Flirting

[@artyom-ovsepyan]

@@ascendedsleeper7820 to be fair to Spec Ops, this game’s metanarrative is all about the critique of mindless war-related shooters and how gamers are desensitised to murder and other heavy stuff in games which happens during the war. The Line doesn’t in all honesty try to convince its players they are irredeemable monsters but rather asks the question “Isn’t it fucked how such games try to make you feel like a hero when in reality war is fucked and would most likely leave you traumatised for the rest of your life?”

[@CasualCoreK]

I love the part where Jimmy talks about how he does EVERYTHING USEFUL around here, and its like four things and they were literally all Anya's ideas.

[@sleepythemis]

And even beyond that, most of it is HIS JOB.

[@TheSergio1021]

@@CasualCoreK I like that they made the "objective tracker" as part of the storytelling. Jimmy wants to be the protagonist but hates the primary thing about being the protagonist: accomplishing the objectives.

[@CountofBleck]

​​@@sleepythemisTHE JOB HE GAVE HIMSELF Bonus hate: remember that line he gave to Anya that people should earn their titles? He never earned a single thing in the entire game. It was either given or self appointed.

[@SirJames079]

He says this like 3-4 months into the crash, and the horrific list of things that he's had to do amounts to like, stuff that would have taken maybe an hour in total

[@MiraiGen]

IN THE JOB HE WAS BITTER HE DIDN'T HAVE! It's galling!

[@sunkeyavad6528]

*Fun fact:* You can hate Jimmy even more the 2nd time around, when you can pick up alot of the little things he says throughout it.

[@PMAvers]

I just imagined The Inspector from Obra Dinn showing up to survey the wreck of the ship for insurance purposes. He goes through the entire scene with his magic watch, and then pulls out his journal to write his report. Borrowing Anya's desk, he sets down a pot of ink and a quill, and with a learned hand writes "F**K JIMMY" on every Cause of Death blank.

[@No_Superman10]

"It is found, and let it be known under full legal purview of God and The Crown, Fuck Jimmy."

[@mentfib1906]

It’s not super important, but the inspector is a lady

[@Deemo3]

Pat's "I'm RELATED to a Jimmy" hit me like a freight train.

[@TheSergio1021]

@@Deemo3 yeah pretty sure he's talking about his brother

[@Kango234]

Every time Pat talks about his family, everything starts making so much sense.

[@SirJames079]

That shit hit for me because I am ALSO related to a Jimmy lmaoooooo

[@kingsgrave_]

unfortunately I am also related to a Jimmy

[@dasfaq6260]

My mother is a Jimmy.

[@threerings13]

Jimmy is infuriating, but Curly...there are SO MANY Curlys in the world who just apologize for their bros and make excuses for them and give them chance after chance. It's implied Jimmy had some "Trouble" back on Earth. Yeah, I'll bet he did. Curly brought him out there knowing what kind of dude he was and put everyone in danger. This phenomenon is known as a Missing Stair that everyone just accommodates until they finally do something unforgiveable. At which point it's far too late for the victims. Ugh. This game is so good.

[@threerings13]

We could rename the Missing Stair Theory the Dead Pixel Theory for this game though.

[@luccagiovani]

This is so relatable. I had a friend who keeps hurting people left and right. When we were younger we could kinda sweep It under the rug, but at 30 years old... Bro, you got some issues to fix. Had to cut that friendship off because I can't be sure he won't hurt the people I introduce to him or their friends.

[@Birthday888]

I kinda disagree that Curly knew what type of person Jimmy was? You could argue that he should have known what kind of person Jimmy was, or that he should have seen the numerous red flags. But I doubt somenody who knew the type of person Jimmy was would have let them in the cockpit after the conversation he had with Curly. The running theme with Curly is that his attempts to do "the right thing" end disasterously for him and the people around him, much like Jimmy, though not for the same reasons. Also, I think the unfortunate reality is that Curly's options for dealing with Jimmy were pretty limited? People like to point out that Jimmy could have been placed in cryo sleep or been physically detained, but considering what we know about Pony Express, I highly doubt they would include a co-pilot into the crew unless said co-pilot was essential for completing the journey. From that POV, trying to appease Jimmy and convince him to stop makes a lot more sense. I won't argue that Curly absolutely failed Anya though.

[@TheNobody-ru5xg]

Jimmy puts the one guy who probably won’t survive cryo in the pod. And even if he does, he’ll probably die. And even if he does get found, he’ll live forever in agony. But hey, Jimmy shoots himself thinking he’s a hero. He saved someone. He fixed it, guys. God what a piece of shit

[@silverphoenix4934]

He probably put him in the pod because he knew it was a lost cause anyway. Once again, he only saved himself.

[@SinnerBeta]

"All it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing" is basically Curly in a sentence. Clearly a good person but either too weak willed, scared of confrontations or naive to do anything even when the problem is spelled out for him.

[@Vulgarth1]

He's just a miserable guy who was already going through a psychological spiral, now he's hiding a secret that has life-changing implications for the people he's responsible for. I can empathize with him, even when Jimmy says to his face "hey I'm going to crash the ship and kill us all" because Curly's standing on the edge of the biggest cliff in his life already.

[@SinnerBeta]

@Vulgarth1 true, but by first assuring Anya and Jimmy that they can work it out and it will be all ok and then just meekly trying to play off Jimmy talking about crashing the ship even though the cockpit is one of the few places he can lock him out of shows that, in my opinion, Curly has a sort of problem with even acknowledging serious problems that require actions and confrontations, instead trying to smooth them out and play them off with light humor, hoping they will solve themselves. I'd say the dead pixel scene suggests this but again he plays it off as seeing the big picture rather than confronting the problem, if he can ignore it then it's not something he needs to fix.

[@TheCJCGamer]

i assumed its because he knew jimmy personally. jimmy was his friend and couldnt believe his friend could do something like that because he believed they were friends. his own mental spiral probably didnt help much either

[@SinnerBeta]

@@TheCJCGamer they were old friends I think, he got him the job on the hauler because Jimmy already had problems on Earth. Curly knew the person Jimmy was at least a bit, but chose to let it slide, to keep letting it slide. Perhaps it was some sort of toxic friendship, some people will keep making excuses for their friends because they've bonded as kids or something.

[@clayc.6360]

It's a mix of his former friendship with Jimmy and him being pretty much a company man the most out of the whole group. He's gotten to the "highest rung of the ladder" at this point of his life by following the rules of Pony Express to the letter, both at the detriment of his health( him not getting enough sleep due to the company mandating that employees sleep to a maximum of Five hours a day) and not escalating any personal matters between people due to the company threatening to take away pay for any interpersonal conflicts.

[@TheDragonStream]

All of my homies HATE Jimmy!

[@Mahan1372]

As someone who firmly believes in rehabilitation, you simply CANNOT change or become a better person unless you take the first step, which is taking accountability. And I think for me that’s what makes Jimmy so abhorrent: he doesn’t take accountability, and that’s a trait all too familiar.

[@balbo-m1y]

I think that's why the final Polle scene hit so hard, for all his pretentions of fixing "it" he won't even acknowledge what "it" is. I honestly love how people will debate how much blame Curly bears, BUT will unambiguously say this guy is the worst.

[@Mahan1372]

@@balbo-m1y Yeah, people are more empathetic toward someone like Swansea because he admits that he’s had a lot of issues in his past, but as Woolie said, he’s trying to make amends now through his actions by doing the right thing, and he owns his past. People connect with that authenticity.

[@marcelinelansing7475]

@@balbo-m1y Basically the difference between taking responsibility and taking accountability, yeh. He's looking at these situations and saying 'well, I know how to resolve this, so *I'll* be the one to resolve it, I'll take that responsibility on', but never with the acknowledgement of his own failures, or of someone else's successes. A matter of 'I tried to do the right thing, but *that person* fucked it up, so you can hold them accountable for it. Someone else suggested this idea, and it worked out, so now it was my idea and I'm the smart one for following through on it. Who cares who suggested it? What matters is results.'

[@Oku944]

I find Curly to be such an interesting character. How his lack of action puts him into a state where he can't take any action at all. How he is now forced to watch as his decision (or lack of) make everything turn terrible. To see how Jimmy, a person he clearly sees as a friend and thinks can change for the better, be revealed as the monster he truly is. To suffer the same abuse as Anya, (There is already some verbal abuse from Jimmy before the crash, best example being the birthday party) . And then to watch Anya eventually overdose. And probably worst for him, is he can't do anything to take responsibility, to even talk and apologize , or just do anything to atone for his fuck up. While Jimmy has all the power, and uses none of it take responsibility. And instead uses it to run away from it. Its probably why i still feel a semblance of pity for Curly.

[@TheSergio1021]

"Choosing to do nothing is still a choice"

[@Toxic_Korgi]

At worst Curly should have been fired from his job. At best, Jimmy should've been fired from the airlock.

[@satyropodobny101]

It's like the events of the game are Curly's own ironic hell, forcing him to confront direct consequences of enabling Jimmy by stripping him of all his agency and bodily autonomy. Which is exactly what Jimmy took from Anya.

[@Oku944]

@@Toxic_Korgi From the dev QnA, Curly wasn't even gonna keep his job, everyone was getting fired but Curly was getting commendations. But yes, at worst Curly deserves to be fired or to have Anya give a sucker punch to him lol

[@Oku944]

@@satyropodobny101 And then forced to be kept alive by Jimmy. Which is another nice contrast to how Daisuke is put out of his misery from Swansea, while Jimmy keeps Curly in lingering pain becuse "alive is good, alive is well"

[@MrLonelyIsland]

He crashed into an asteroid. He orchestrated it. JIMMY! But, no, Curly said. “Not Jimmy. Couldn’t be precious Jimmy!” And he gets to be co-captain?? What a sick joke!

[@SuperMrSkully]

And he gets to be a lawyer? What a sick joke! I know he switched those numbers, he... HE DEFICTED THROUGH A SUNROOF! You think someone happens to fall like that on a billboard?

[@z-mac664]

There’s a Mystery of the Druids cover of this rant that’s really good.

[@xyzero1682]

Jimmy, standing on the giant hand during the eclipse, trying to convince fucking VOID, "I can fix it".

[@starwars90001]

Jimmy confirmed a deeply held belief I have about evil. Pure evil is the best evil not because it's better but because it's honest and upfront with itself that's why people like those characters. Jimmy's evil which is the type of evil that is most dishonest is why he's hated.

[@sunkeyavad6528]

It's just 1 extra layer of bad. Being just as bad but then also dishonest is an extra negative trait. Meanwhile honest is postiive trait. Hence if just as evil, honest-evil is less negative than dishonest-evil.

[@TheSergio1021]

I love how little we know about the world outside of the ship. It's all contained in what is essentially a large metal coffin.

[@patrickloureiro351]

The most disgusting part to me is that even at the very end when everything was said and done jimmy STILL tought that the only thing he had done wrong was getting curly hurt, he never felt remorse about what he did to anya.

[@atdrawn]

Him blocking out Anya's corpse at first and then entirely blocking her face in every id card flying around him while he's hallucinating is so enraging. He focuses so much on Curl, he acknowledges Daisuke and Swansea, but he doesn't even or refuse to SEE Anya despite him causing so much pain to her. Fuck Jimmy

[@Terithian]

He shot himself while still considering himself the hero of the story who has now fixed everything, which is revolting.

[@07734Jr]

He barely acknowledges Anya at all towards the end. The closest he comes to acknowledging her is the baby but thats mostly because he thinks about how that'll impact him! Anya's presence almost disappears at the end of the game and she has zero presence in any of the nightmare sequences.

[@conelybiscuit4985]

i think the fact that even his hallucination of Polle calls him out on not caring about Anya would suggest that he felt some extremely repressed pang of remorse, even if only for that one moment. i don't think it's a coincidence that when Polle points it out, he instantly snaps out of his hallucinations and goes right back to factory zero "everything is fine" mode, freezes Curly, and kills himself. i'd even go so far as to say the previous hallucinations could be read more like a self-indulgent *emulation* of guilt, capped off with when he kneels in front of Curly and "apologizes" in a big heroic moment - but then Polle is the one that gets him to actually feel that type of crushing remorse for real, for just a second, and it basically shuts him down mentally in a way the other hallucinations didn't. ultimately i think that's what drives a lot of Jimmy's actions: not necessarily being incapable of remorse, but being unable to process or even acknowledge it once he does something he knows he should feel bad about, necessitating that he just keep running from it. more than anything else i think the cognitive dissonance inherent in that way of thinking is what unmoors him over the course of the game and ultimately leads to his suicide, even if part of him was still convinced he was dying a hero.

[@marcelinelansing7475]

@@conelybiscuit4985 Consider too what Polle serves as in Jimmy's mindspace. Is Polle Jimmy's visualization for Anya's unborn baby? In I believe *all* of Jimmy's nightmare sequences, the sound of a crying baby seems to emanate from the Polle statues. The baby you're hunting for in the wombehelit-section is a horse, and the centipede made of horses makes baby sounds I believe. The very first sequence in the game is Jimmy crashing the ship as a means to 'run away' from the baby, only for that baby to corner him at every turn. Or, alternatively, Polle is his mental image of *Anya*? Since 'Anya' and 'unborn child' are basically the same thing for him; a problem he doesn't want to deal with or take responsibility for. On the one hand, that speech at the end could be his psyche wearing the face of the unborn baby, in which case he's not really feeling direct remorse for his actions towards Anya - he's projecting what he believes that unborn baby must think of him, and what kinds of issues it would have with his actions. This interpretation could suggest that he views this unborn baby as more of a human worth caring about than Anya, and in the end is attempting to redeem himself in that child's eyes by sticking to 'no I'm going to fix it though, see watch, I'm a hero'. Or, on the other hand, Polle could be his psyche's visualization of Anya. Consider the big spooky invisible horse section. You can't just run away from that horse, you have to listen for it, stop, and wait for it to pass. This could represent that remorse inside of Jimmy, threatening to tear him to shreds if he doesn't acknowledge it and take time to consider and work through it. If we assume that what you're suggesting is true, and his final Polle is what gets him to feel even a moment of guilt or remorse for Anya herself, then we see that threat come to fruition, as he snaps out of it, returns to his 'I can fix it' schtick, and shoots himself to avoid confronting or considering that lurking guilt. I kinda like this interpretation better, simply because it gives Anya literally any amount of power in the story by being the voice that finally convinces Jimmy to off himself, even if that voice is one that only exists in Jimmy's head. Either way he's still running away from his guilt - it's just a matter of whether or not he ever comes to recognize Anya as a human being worth his remorse.

[@daedlus1220]

"Poor you. Caged and misunderstood." AT THIS POINT JIMMY?!?!?!?!

[@sunkeyavad6528]

Here's a fun thought: Isn't it also awfully convenient that Curly just happens to lose both his hands, feet and ability to speak, making it impossible for him communicate to help clear some things up? What a lucky coincidence for Jimmy.

[@1wayroad935]

You have to admire Jimmy's Royal Guard skill at parrying responsibility

[@popogeejo]

Curly is fascinating because Jimmy is an obvious evil while Curly is an idiot but not as far as I read the game, evil or malicious. He's just painfully unwilling to confront reality. I think he genuinely cared about Anya, just not enough to confront the shit going on. When he goes to do the psych eval we literally walk past warning signs and the questions are purely "Can yo do your job?" Curly just isn't capable of the human elements of leadership and responsibility. Besides that there's also the whole other element of how Pony Express treats them all like Jimmy treats Anya: No concern, punishments for the mere act of being human and unthinking dismissal once they're no longer of use.

[@SirJames079]

I do think that given more time Curly probably would have accepted reality and detained/locked up/thrown Jimmy out the goddamn airlock, but unfortunately Jimmy ruined things far too quickly for that to ever take place. Curly cared, but he was too close to Jimmy to be able to do what needed to be done when it needed to happen

[@popogeejo]

@@SirJames079 Absolutely. Curly is the well meaning guy who wants to avoid conflict until it's unmanageable but I feel he'd do the right thing eventually. It's why despite his flaws Anya clearly is never worried around him and actually jokes with him but never Jimmy.

[@SirJames079]

@@popogeejo Exactly, yeah. It's also where I think Anya's "our worst moments don't make us monsters" thing is truly pointed at, not the supposed crashing of the ship. She was kinda crushed by Curly's failure but knew and liked him enough that she wanted to believe he could have been better had things gone differently.

[@whiteblacklight9603]

Curly did nothing wrong. Curly did nothing right, either.

[@Birthday888]

​​@@whiteblacklight9603I think that's kinda the sentence to sum up Curly's character yeah. The one thing he felt morally compelled to do, reveal to everyone that they were going to be fired, unintentionally sets in motion the events of the game. It's also kinda reveals how fucked they all were as well the moment the trip began? Because as much as people like to talk about Curly's inaction to deal with Jimmy, I highly doubt that the cost cutting Pony Express would include a co-pilot positoin onto the Tulvar unless it was almost impossible for a pilot to regularly make the journey by themselves. So really, it was a lose lose situation. In hindsight of course, Curly probably wishes he just bit the bullet and tried to make the journey by himself.

[@SinnerBeta]

The worst part about having past shames and low moments, second to hurting people, is looking back at them and wondering if you're the Jimmy, just too self absorbed to recognize it.

[@Mahan1372]

Holy shit I was just thinking about this. As someone who constantly - sometimes to an unreasonable extent - criticizes themselves, this is one of my biggest anxieties. What if I’ve done something in my past that I didn’t recognize the gravity of at the time, or what if the mistakes that I do recognize are worse than I remember? There is really never any evidence of this being the case, but it doesn’t stop the thoughts. I just hate the idea of running away from accountability without realizing it, and this game tapped into that anxiety for me

[@MinersLoveGames]

I was the Jimmy in a situation a few years back. Stress and burnout were a contributing factor, but I still wound up hurting people (not physically, and nowhere close to the extent of actual Jimmy, just to be clear) regardless. Still one of my most shameful moments.

[@MaskedSongbird]

@@Mahan1372 I've noticed that as of late I've become incredibly fascinated by, almost to the point of obsession, in horror and horror-adjacent media in which the POV character is horribly monstrous in some fashion and that part of the implicit horror is the dawning realization for the audience that the very human character they've been sympathizing with is, in fact, a monster. Mouthwashing, Silent Hill 2, Spec Ops: The Line, and The Shining area all good or at least decent examples of what I'm talking about. And I suspect part of the reason I've become so obsessed with this weirdly specific category (genre?) of fiction is because it taps into that anxiety you describe--how precisely because the protagonist is or at least seems sympathetic at first glance that it causes me to relate to them, and the fact that I can so easily empathize someone who is so recognizable as a monster distresses me on some level, because what does it say about me? It's such good writing and such good fuel for introspection as an audience member, I feel.

[@Mahan1372]

@@MaskedSongbird Exactly! It almost humbles you in a way, and makes you realize that we always want to believe that we are the good person in our own story because the weight of facing your mistakes is just too much to bear (not for everyone, but in a lot of cases). We are all heroes of our own stories until we are actually put to the task. (Again, more of general point about the topic and not directly related to Jimmy’s specific action).

[@Mahan1372]

@@MinersLoveGames Hardest part for me is moving on from the shame, but that could be my severe anxiety lmao, and that’s a whole different story.

[@facundomontivero2299]

It really is a testament of just how well written Jimmy's awfulness is, that, while a lot of players don't realise he's a scumbag until the reveal that he crashed the ship, the few players that have had the displeasure of having to deal with someone like Jimmy in real life pick up on all of his toxic behaviour from the beginning and lock in that he's a garbage person immediately.

[@ksomiak8623]

Please everyone remember, Anya is actually a good medic and managed to keep Curly alive. Just because she can't force feed Curly because of trauma, doesn't make her incompetent

[@marcelinelansing7475]

Yeah like... look at that man. She's worked a *miracle* keeping him alive. It's easy to assume she sucks because Jimmy and Swansea both talk a lot of shit about her. But Swansea talks shit about everyone, and Jimmy is Jimmy.

[@silverphoenix4934]

​@@marcelinelansing7475how come she failed entry exams 3 times? She may have done a really good job near the end of her life but she can still be less than good generally. That's OK.

[@LordOsiris499]

Her pregnancy doesn’t help her nausea either

[@Quikanims]

@@silverphoenix4934 I'd assume she probably does terribly in testing environments or is JUST beneath what qualifies to be a proper licensed doctor. Through out the game she shows being above average in intelligence, just not to the extent of achieving her dreams. Had Jimmy not fucked everything up, she most likely would've eventually succeeded in med school given her determination and extensive studying during her cruise.

[@whiteblacklight9603]

She failed the med school entry exam *8* times. She's a good person. She's a terrible doctor.

[@SinnerBeta]

To people that have to talk about Jimmy: I'm sorry you had to talk about Jimmy.

[@CasualCoreK]

23:10 this is kinda like a GOOD version of Heavy Rain's enormous sin of the villain lying to the player through internal monologue... Jimmy is so delusional that he ACTUALLY THINKS he's not at fault for the things he did!

[@RunicRobin]

Oh wow I did not get mouthwashing at all. Jesus this is my dumbest moment I honestly thought it was just a guy having to deal with increasingly fucked up situations and tensions between other crewmates. I even thought the pregnancy was just like, an unwise moment of passion and not the actual fucked up truth. Fuck me I've never gotten a game this wrong, good thing I haven't talked about this game with anyone they would have given me the nastiest looks 😭

[@inferno232]

Hey, stuff like this is how you learn better media literacy. God knows I've revisited stuff I played/read/watched in my teens and early twenties with themes and content that I somehow missed despite it being *right there*.

[@kattastic9999]

That is a bit embarrassing, but nobody knows everything, we all had to learn this kinda thing! When I was a kid, the movie A Christmas Story deeply unnerved me and I thought it was a kind of psychological horror. It Is Not. Point is, don't feel _bad._ Be excited to learn! Think about other things that might have had depths you missed, explore more of the things you watch or play! There's a lot of neat secret shit beneath the lines

[@housebrokengeek]

Don't worry about it, I literally just finished it myself and a lot of it went over my head too, also feeling stupid. Bit out of practice with the whole media analysis thing, but this is why we find videos like this, so we can learn more about the thing. A replay or watching another play through will definitely have to happen at some point when I'm up to it, should be interesting with the benefit of hindsight.

[@BowserwithaShotgun]

One of my favorite things is that a good chunk of the fans refuse to give any respect to Jimmy that they created an entire community created and monitored google doc full of alt names to call him instead of his actual name. My favorite on that list is still Jingle Jorts. :V

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

That’s…something alright

[@murrmurrr8276]

Jimmy feels like the embodiment of dangerous ineptitude. Some guy that was stupid but confident.

[@peyodogo4864]

Something that really strikes me about Anya is how she's sold to us as a failure of a nurse, yet she's kept Curly alive for months on first aid kits, painkillers and a prayer. But she struggles to force the pills on him - as would many people prone to nausea due to pregnancy or recently traumatized by SA - and that's all the crew and a portion of the playerbase make of her. She's also competitive and has a pretty funny sense of humor, if you look at the environment clues. And she cares *a lot* about her desired line of work, even if she's unsuccessful at it. But at the end of the day, the need to fawn at her abuser who is now in charge as well as her dire fucking circumstances wear on her and transform her into what we see in the post crash segments. And all because of fucking Jimmy. And Curly, friendly puppy ass enabler that he is.

[@Terithian]

You say all the crew call her a failure, but it's 99% Jimmy. All there was apart from that was one offhand comment by Swansea. Jimmy has gaslit everyone into thinking she's totally incompetent.

[@dasprints]

It is an accomplishment that she was able to keep Curly alive as long as they did. Although it is stated by the devs that she failed nursing school 8 times before landing the job with Pony Express. So she was in a bad place that got her a place on that ship in the first place.

[@Blacktoothoneil]

@@dasprintsbut she’s clearly passionate about nursing and her failing 8 times is proof of that, because that means she came back to try again 9 times.

[@dasprints]

@@Blacktoothoneil oh definitely but I more just bring it up as more to point out she had a big failing streak in the past that gave them ammo against her. Her continuing to keep at it is great like you said and she got done so dirty by everything.

[@peyodogo4864]

@@Terithian Yeah, it's true that Daisuke and Curly are chill with her as far as I recall. There was more than that one Swansea line, though. Still not as much as Jimmy, but I think it's safe to say he thinks her a failure.

[@Neostrius]

29:00 In my opinion the really bitter thing about the ending, and what signifies it as a well-crafted tragedy, is that him ending himself provides no solace or catharsis. If anything it should make you even more resentful because he escaped responsibility yet again, thinking he was being an hero, or at least "doing the right thing" to make amends. That is his final moment, spent enjoying what is in his mind a victory and taking the easy way out, never having learned a thing, never acknowledging that the things he did can never be undone or made right.

[@ShotgunGabe]

One fun gun fact!. The gun Jimmy used is a Metaba Unica its basically a gun that tries to outmatch 2 different kinds of pistols, but it ends ups being nothing but a expensive pistol that breaks itself. Now it might be unintentional by the devs and mostly a concidence because the unica have been used in multiple scifi media like ghost in the shell but its still very simbolic of jimmy character imo

[@catnerdadrian7601]

Oh my god the narcissist using the "you are unique" holy shit thank you for pointing that out

[@kattastic9999]

Also very indicative of how Pony Express operates. No expense spared (for themselves) and full of utter incompetence

[@ROFLdude_Lv.99]

If you want to see just how fucked from the start everyone on the ship was just look at the Pony Express posters that ultimately say "Did someone do something wrong? Everyone will be punished. Did someone sleep longer than 5 hours? Everyone is at fault. Was the delivery late? Everyone will have the cost taken from their paychecks." Anya could not say anything sooner because the rest of the crew would be punished, not just Jimmy. Curly could not lock Jimmy in any of the unlockable areas. If Jimmy was placed in the cargo hold Jimmy could destroy the shipment and the company would not be happy. If he was placed in med-bay he could destroy the limited medical supplies or kill himself, either way Pony Express would not be happy and the rest of the crew would be found at fault. If Jimmy was placed in the cockpit then he could just crash the ship. Curly was spineless but ultimately Pony Express, who serves the crew food which may or may not contain human derived gelatin and high levels of quinine (which is used to treat malaria...there shouldn't any mosquitos in a spaceship, which implies that any emergency blood supplies on the ship contain bloodborne illness necessitating a need for quinine) that they have to pay for either out of pocket or have it be deducted from their paychecks. The crew were a collection of losers of society that lost at life and Pony Express came out the winners.

[@herosshade2247]

It took me a while to get this but "take responsibility" has multiple meanings. In Jimmy's twisted mind he thinks he needs to TAKE responsibility (from Curly) And that has a lot of unsettling implications Because you could apply it to what he did to Anya as well

[@chrisdaughen5257]

A major thing players hate about characters like Ted Farro and Jimmy (and maybe Solas from Veilguard) is that they cause the story’s big problem… but don’t lose any of their power, and continue to make things EVEN WORSE. But the key thing is that they STILL don’t have any control of the situation. If you've experienced failure at any point in your life, this kind of character will set you off on how they somehow avoid consequences.

[@threerings13]

Oh and the WORST thing on a second time through is that Anya can't handle forcing the pills on Curly and the sounds and what that might imply about what happened to her.

[@Anarkyfloyd]

Imagine has Jimmy as leader of your country. That was happen in Thailand for past 10 years

[@rikimaru700]

Trumpp will be ours again :(

[@marceloduda21]

It really does hurt in the end...playing as Screwup-Jimmy Curly is too good, so good he gives his pal Jim too many chances since it looks like Jimmy has fucked up in the past and he still tried to help him. To the end he believed Jimmy could change, that he had some good in him, and after giving him too many chances shit literally blew up in his face.

[@angrybrony]

If it was anybody but a jimmy, it would have been an admiral trait, really.

[@megamike15]

we did it. we made a chracter with no redeeming qualities . screw you jimmy.

[@LJdaOG]

Jimmy is a fantastic object lesson. But remember to not stop at just asking yourself if you're Jimmy, even if it's a great first step. That by itself isn't enough to avoid becoming him. Jimmy did that and he's still utter slime.

[@conelybiscuit4985]

"Am I Jimmy? ...No, it's the Jimmies who are Jimmy." -Jimmy

[@binuxuser]

I never realized a story about a suckass guy who does everything wrong was something I wanted all along

[@quincallahan6323]

I really like Swansea. He's basically a false antagonist who is really just seemingly a normal kind of jerk. I'm also unsure of his real motivations for hiding the cryopod; my assumption was he thought it would tear the crew apart (which it would).

[@tiagomain1409]

Personally I read it as him hiding it from jimmy and with the secret talk with anya that he might have been fishing for a good candidate for the pod. With how he talked about daisuke at the end I interpreted that as he wanted him in the pod but sadly never got the chance to.

[@aleg719]

His final speech implies he knew they were gonna die but he could have at least give daisuke a chance with the cryo-pod. But at the same time the discovery of mouthwash made him fall back on alcoholism so he failed noticing how dangerous Jimmy could be to Daisuke. I think his talk with Anya is what lead her to lock herself when they ran out of food so she can have her quiet death

[@goldsocks9999]

My favorite part is the lack of jumpscares. I love horror games but i hate things jumping out at me.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

A gentle reminder to always use dental floss.

[@CaptnMarvelous]

Great podcast episode! Sorry you guys had to talk about jimmy.

[@MLGHazrad]

This game might make me wary of space flight. It reminds me of that one movie where it was revealed that a bunch of humans went crazy in this huge space ship due to how Earth was destroyed making them the last humans alive.

[@thewraithwriter22]

Pandorum

[@josephreddaway5342]

@@thewraithwriter22 I really enjoyed that movie, and it even had a fun twist at the end. I should rewatch it.

[@TheSergio1021]

@@MLGHazrad oh space flight is horrific. Its true. And people who like space just dont appreciate the fact that living on earth is definitely better than being stuck in a tin can going thousands of miles per hour through incomprehensible expanses of nothingness where any unplanned change could mean utter annihilation

[@RossMirage]

I need someone to make a meme of the usual "Characters that did nothing wrong" Annual Meeting, having Jimmy take a seat and them going "You don't belong here".

[@adams3627]

There are a lot of banal-evil bad guys. Most people know an Umbridge, or an Officer Tenpenny. NOT everybody knows a Jimmy, and if you do I AM SORRY.

[@Sergei_Nohomo]

I always enjoy when the Jimmy is a Jimmy we know in our lives, it makes it a million times more effective.

[@Kibayasu]

The incredibly fun part about Fuck Ted Farro is asking someone what part of Fuck Ted Farro they're on because there are so many layers to Fuck Ted Farro.

[@kattastic9999]

He said he's "Pretty deep into it and FUCK Ted Faro" so I'm guessing he just got to the Omega bit, which is Pretty Up There on the Fuck Ted Faro list. And even _that's_ still not the top.

[@Tsunamidusher]

Oh man, this Jimmy gives me a vibe of that Paranoia Agent episode of the production coordinator- who kept screwing up every step of the production crew and made everyone's lives miserable

[@Allups]

the spoiler cast before the full LP is uploaded is crazy work boss

[@conelybiscuit4985]

in response to Pat's point about them being trillions of miles off-course, wouldn't hitting *anything* at multiple AU a minute have just absolutely atomized the ship? it takes light over 8 minutes to cross a single AU, so they're apparently going several times the speed of light. at that point they're going so fast that the entire solar system would've been significantly rearranged by their impact, let alone the characters onboard. even going at a fraction of that speed would've blown up a lot more than just Curly and parts of the ship. so personally i think it's just the devs having a fairly loose sense of scale rather than something you're supposed to take as hard confirmation that Curly is screwed. i don't think you're supposed to know for sure either way, which i think is arguably more painful and just further puts you in Curly's shoes (or, uh, stump bandages) as he's just terrified and unsure if he'll wake up.

[@MrTrebleCleff]

The fact we don't have a general layout of the ship prolly waylays any questions, because I imagine if you presume the cockpit is at or near to the "bow" of the craft, and the cargo hold is laterally right behind it. Hitting that tiny rock would have vaporised the entire forward section and sent the entire cargohold collapsing like an accordion onto and over everything in between. Instead it's Foam foam and More Foam. Damn that's some good foam.

[@HavikLaosBoi69]

The bigger fucked up thing about Jimmy choosing to save Curly is obviously to serve Jimmy's self perception of "redemption" and "accepting responsibility" but in a way besides the obvious of saving an already hopeless person, he instantly negates it on account that not only did he take the easy way out to not ever have to confess a single thing to the public, but also the sole person he saves would be the one person who is not physically able to speak and spread that dirt to still, at the end of the day, save his own ass of public perception even when he's fucking dead anyways. His one final act, and he still couldnt do any good if not sunk it deeper in the net negative of responsibility. Idk if the devs had also intended that as just an extra layer of Jimmy being so fucked up, but given his character it genuinely wouldnt be surprising.

[@kairiwillow]

In a sea of male KZbinrs who either don’t get it or refuse to acknowledge it I’m glad I support you two

[@CosmicDogoran]

Got some names? I wanna watch how they process the game.

[@chuckleshelicopterwigwamjo6305]

I haven't seen a guy play this and not get it, so I'm not sure where you're coming from here

[@ShotgunGabe]

Here we go again someone making shit up to make a stawman.

[@TheGibbie]

I think thr best thing curly could have done is throw jimmy into the cryopod as soon as he found out about the assault

[@El_Legante]

THE BLAME LIES WITH YOU, ISHMAEL!!!

[@marcelinelansing7475]

Hey, hey now. Ahab is *way* less evil than Jimmy. *gently kicks all of the corpses of the Pequod crew under the carpet.*

[@El_Legante]

@ Ok are we talkin book Ahab or Limbus Company Ahab?

[@marcelinelansing7475]

@@El_Legante Yes.

[@samueloakley4254]

Swansea the GOAT

[@EnvyMizuhashi]

Don't Call Your Kids Jimmy!

[@millierockin1949]

22:55 Jimmy is literally Dennis from that Always Sunny episode “I just want the money, and the illusion of power” i’d finish the quote but given the circumstances i simply don’t want to

[@Dashrendar7]

Man they both really need to watch Scavengers Reign, I think they would love it

[@johndelanie3649]

"We did it Patrick! We saved the city!"

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

I really thought Anya was gonna be the player character, something about the trailer gave me that feel

[@marcelinelansing7475]

I feel like that's intentional. I stand by the idea that Anya being the first character to be given a name and face (by way of her ID in the opening segment) is meant to suggest to the player 'This is your protagonist, this story is about her'. I mean it makes sense - she's the most sympathetic character in the scenario, she's who you'd expect to play in a horror game, and the game asks you to really consider the situation she's been thrust into by questioning the integrity of the PoV character. It's just made more effective by forcing you to consider the implications. You're no longer relying on the narrative to show you *exactly* how horrible things are for Anya, which runs the risk of being schlocky or overwrought - you instead see how horrible the monster in the game is, and fill in the blanks for how fucked up everything is for her.

[@Ask4This]

Everyone knows a Jimmy or what a Jimmy is but not everyone knows a who is a Curly or has been a Curly.

[@Mantis47]

You know there are different kinds of space horror stories. There’s stories like Alien, where the crew of a spaceship is stuck in space with a monster that’s killing them all. And then there are stories like Mouthwashing, where the crew of a spaceship is stuck in space with a monster that’s killing them all!

[@OrigamiPhoenix]

I read the dialog aloud with a friend as we went through it, without knowing the story, and I chose a hesitant weak voice for Anya a lot like Angela Orozco from Silent Hill 2, based on her resemblance to Shelley Duvall. I realized I had chosen perfectly by the end of it. (Daisuke is the other character who has a pretty obvious intended speaking style. He sounds like a surfer dude.)

[@TheGibbie]

They probably have a transponder, and they had a way to receive faxs, so there must be a way to communicate

[@Jimbo55151]

The thing with mouthwashing is I’ve never seen a game where the art and the fandom vids seems to be playing something completely different then what I played.

[@thickblacklava760]

*squints at username*

[@NameIsDoc]

Whatever you say Jimmy...

[@adamruiz3683]

It's nothing I haven't seen before. If there's one thing fans love to do, it's make fanart/fanfics that go places the original work doesn't/can't. A soft and cute show gets turned dark and edgy, or a grim and depressing one gets made fun and cute.

[@Jimbo55151]

@ I’ve never seen it at this level but I’ve also not engaged with as many fandoms

[@xyzero1682]

"Mouthwashing General? Why are there threads abo-OH GOD WHATS WITH THE YAOI???"

[@adamruiz3683]

To slightly play Devil's Advocate for Curly, what exactly could he have done about Jimmy? They're stuck in the space equivalent of a U-Haul truck for 8 months, it's not like he can just lock him up in a brig or his own room. At worst, he could throw him in one of the cryo-pods, but that's just a stop-gap until they eventually land, and he'll still need to explain everything afterwards, not to mention dealing with Anya's pregnancy the whole flight. All that said, I'm not defending Curly; anything would have been better than him doing LITERALLY NOTHING.

[@nikodemossowski4621]

put both Jimmy and Anya in a pod - one as a manner of arrest, other to halt the pregnancy progressing past certain point but that's hoping nothing happens during the trip that'd require a co-pilot or a nurse

[@MyRYNOrunsHot]

@@nikodemossowski4621 was going to say pretty much the same thing.

[@InfamousResult]

I think the worst part is that- in the "ideal" situation where Jimmy is put in, say, a cryo-pod... do people forget that he's a member of the crew who has an important function that still has to be fulfilled while he's out of commission? Maybe, MAYBE Curly can be the sole pilot, but I get the feeling there's two chairs in that cockpit for a reason and they don't just have the position on payroll for shits and giggles.

[@shiningknight23]

@@InfamousResult Fuck it Daisuke probably can't do much worse

[@TheSergio1021]

This is exactly what I think. I think Curly was punished enough. What can you do with a crew of 4 people who are stuck together for almost a year?

[@niishucks8220]

Erebus was actually named Jimmy

[@natzo89]

A little ago I saw another podcast section about Yakuza and having that scum friend of a friend and it feels like a prophecy. "Can Jimmy come hang out?" "Jimmy is a rapist! No, he can't come hang out!"

[@kaizerdeath12]

I'm so happy Eric Sparrow is still in the running, truly a man of the (dark) ages

[@music79075]

Okay but on this list of Eric Sparrow, Jimmy, Joffre and Griffith where does Vrook and the 2 other jedi masters from Kotor 2 rank? Cause i remember hearing Woolies controller audibly cry out in pain.

[@zeze7022]

29:02 I had this exact experience lmao, just sitting there thinking “aaaaaaaaand NOW”. Have a nice never, Jimbo.

[@TheCJCGamer]

jimmy reminds me of houlden cauffield from catcher in the rye

[@beast5200]

Okay. I was a bit confused. I only watched pats playthrough and I misunderstood which one did that to Anya. I thought Curly did the bad and Jimmy went nuts to cover for him. I did not understand Jimmy did the bad.

[@DanielDeadpool]

There are people who played or seen this game, and probably still don't know/didn't pick up what Jimmy did to Anya

[@inferno232]

Wrestle with *JIMMY*

[@TheSergio1021]

Curly: "SAY IT AINT SOOO-OH-OH"

[@poopsiepup1192]

Lmaooooooo

[@donniebell7887]

Lol neither of them seen the penguin i guess. Oz will end up right above jimmy.

[@BroudbrunMusicMerge]

Jimmy is if Eric Sparrow had real power and was put in a real crisis

[@sockmuppet568]

To really understand how fucked Jimmy sees the world and other people, just look at the section with the invisible horse that can only notice you when you move. Jimmy tries to get some mouthwash (something he wants) and this invisible horse tries to stop him. Now Anya, to protect herself from jimmy, sleeps with the motion activated pony express mascot positioned in such a way that if someone were to come by it would sound and alert her that someone (Jimmy) was near. Jimmy in the invisible horse section personifies the motion activated pony express mascot as a huge threat and impediment to his desires... that desire being to get mouthwash and ALSO to rape Anya. Yes, He doesn't even view his desire to rape Anya through any other lens outside of how it affects him. In his mind the motion activate pony express mascot (the invisible horse) is unfairly harassing him and by extension places his shit idea to use mouthwash as a disinfectant on daisuke and his desire to rape Anya as morally equivalent. They are equivalent as they are simply both something he wants to do. Edit: notice how that section starts with the words "Be Quite". is that something he has to do, or something he said to anya?

[@Triixster]

See, we’re not given enough context to what’s been happening with the crew, but depending on what’s what, it shows how badly Curly messed up. Curly has been friends with Jimmy for a long time, but how well did he really know Jimmy? Had Jimmy done abhorrent things in the past? Has Jimmy just been getting into trivial trouble back on Earth? Is this the worst thing Jimmy has ever done? When Curly says “he’s got through worse”, is he just trying to calm Jimmy down, or is that actually true? Or does Curly just think that this situation isn’t as bad as other situations Jimmy’s got through? Furthermore, did Jimmy actually pull through those situations or did Curly just bail him out all the time? Has Curly just been completely oblivious to certain things/signs or did he just choose not to tackle it? Did he see it as problematic or just his friend messing around? Did Curly use his position to help Jimmy get the job or did Jimmy have to go through a standard recruiting process and Curly just recommend him? How much did Anya tell Curly? Was she trying to be subtle or did she outright state what Jimmy had done? When exactly did Anya tell Curly about Jimmy? How long had that been going for? They’ve been a crew for some time and, as far as we know, there’s been no problems such as this prior. If this is only a recent development, what triggered it? Was Curly going to just support Jimmy or was he actually going to do something to help Anya? How long would it take for Curly to make a move on the situation? Was Curly just processing things or was he sitting on his hands? Did Jimmy’s behaviour sound ‘normal’ or did Curly have to recontextualise his relationship with Jimmy and his past troubles? Lots and lots of questions, which leaves Curly in a grey area. Depending on all these different questions, either Curly has enabled Jimmy’s bad behaviour, is a terrible person, and is rather strongly to blame, or Curly was naive/oblivious and missed the signs because a) Jimmy is his best friend and/or b) he really just never saw anything. As far as I can see from what is shown: - Curly genuinely cares about everyone. He feels the crew is his responsibility. - Curly already wasn’t in a good mental state, and was just giving the ‘correct’ answers to his psyche eval. He may not have passed if he was being more honest. He was suffering from insomnia too. - Curly is constantly said to be a good captain, which we know because Jimmy hears it all the time and he’s jealous of it. - Apparently, if you look closely at the letter, Curly was getting a promotion while everyone else was getting fired (which is weird if Pony Express is shutting down). - With his fraying mindset, Curly felt guilty about everyone and informed the crew of the situation, despite the fact he was told to only tell them towards the end of the trip. - Jimmy is a professional gaslighter and twists Curly’s words during the birthday party. Curly doesn’t really fight back and just takes all of Jimmy’s verbal abuse. Jimmy does the same exact thing when Curly goes to confront him about Anya, and gets into Curly’s head so that when he suggests murder-suicide to run away from his sins, Curly has a lapse of judgement and lets him walk away. Jimmy knows Curly is struggling mentally and uses that to turn on him, and blame him for things. If this is how their relationship is, Jimmy is a toxic friend that Curly puts up with because “he knows/understands him” so he can ‘fix’ him. - Curly and Anya have their dead pixel talk in the evening, the next day Anya tells Curly she’s pregnant. When Curly begins to question ‘who’ Anya cuts him off and says “I told you”. - Curly saying he can’t see the dead pixel despite looking for it tells me he genuinely didn’t see the signs of Jimmy’s behaviour. - To me, Curly found out about the assault at max. 2 days before the crash, and either didn’t piece things together somehow or didn’t believe what he had been told. - If this was a repeated thing or a past ordeal (I don’t believe these), that could mean that Anya only made Curly aware of the assault after she found out she was pregnant. I don’t believe Anya would be cordial with someone that would outright ignore her suffering when they’re not in a dire situation like the game setting, as such I don’t believe the time between Anya telling Curly she was assaulted and telling Curly she is pregnant is a big gap. - If this was a recent thing (I believe this), that would mean that the assault had to have taken place after everyone was made aware they were being made redundant (6 days before the crash). Jimmy lost the one good job he had, and felt like his friend was abandoning him and going away to do better things, and it threw him off the deep end. - Anya was focused on their trip taking 8 months because it meant she’d be showing signs of pregnancy, and end up having the baby towards the end of the voyage. I feel like the 8 months date wouldn’t be a focus in the story if she would have the baby earlier than that, which is why the assault must have happened recently. In addition, Anya ended up taking her life 5-6 months after the crash with no visible signs of pregnancy, so, again, the assault must have happened recently, else she already be showing signs. - I’m saying all of this, but it could be possible she was being assaulted before this but just never got pregnant before. Just the most recent assault got her pregnant. - Curly confronted Anya 1 day before the crash because he thought she wanted to shoot herself with the gun because she lost her job, not even thinking about the assault. Either Curly didn’t understand what Anya was telling him, or he just pushed Anya telling him she was assaulted by Jimmy to the back of his mind. He was genuinely concerned about her mental health, stating that he should have made sure she also got psyche evals. He seemed genuinely shocked about her pregnancy until Anya reminded him that he already knows the culprit. - Anya hid the gun so Jimmy couldn’t get it. Jimmy already knew where Anya hid the gun. I don’t think Anya told Curly where she hid the gun. - Anya told Jimmy she was pregnant, and Curly wanted to be there when she was going to, most likely to mediate rather than pick a side. - Curly asked Anya if Jimmy was angry after he was told she was pregnant which might indicate that he knows Jimmy to be unstable. - When Curly was trying to talk down Jimmy, it could be he was just trying to calm an unstable person they’ll be stuck with for 8 months or he genuinely believed what he was saying. - Pony Express’ solution would have been to shoot Jimmy dead, something Curly was never going to do. - Pony Express skimped out on a lot of things, so putting Jimmy on ice in the Cryo chamber might have been detrimental, as the crew would be down a co-pilot, and we don’t know how necessary one is (also they’d have pay docked). - Having only 4 pods isn’t an issue because Curly, as captain, probably would agree to go down with the ship. - For some reason, on Day 0, Anya’s employee card can be found in the cockpit cupboard near the emergency keys. If that’s not just a little Easter egg, why is her employee card there? It could mean Curly was planning to do something with it, and it would have been placed there the same day Anya told him she was pregnant. Man, I’m just yapping. I yap a lot when I get invested in things. Sorry. I can’t hate Curly because I know there are people in real life who genuinely have no idea their close friend or family was capable of such evil, until it happens, and even then they still struggle to come to terms with it. And everyone always badgers them with “but how didn’t you see signs!? You’ve known them for [X] years/ all your life!”, when they honestly never picked up on things. Either they were oblivious to signs or the perpetrator hid them well enough that they wouldn’t notice, or just never displayed anything at all. TL;DR - Curly isn’t a saint but isn’t evil. We don’t know enough to fully say, but he’s grey. He’s a well meaning and genuinely a ‘good guy’, that does try (perhaps not his best though). He seems to want to avoid conflict and resolve things without too much issue. He’s a victim of Jimmy, and at the end of the day, Anya forgave Curly of his wrongdoings. We’ve no idea what Curly was planning to do or how he’s feeling after the accident other than sad and scared.

[@elthion22]

I have a theory that Jimmy and Curly are ex-military, at one point they mention something along the lines of "is this what peace is" plus their comments about having done worse in the past make me feel like they are veterans who were drafted and probably did some awful stuff. Curly was able to return to society for the most part, his fears about his place in life notwithstanding, but Jimmy struggled a lot more. I feel like that context helps explain how much they prioritize each other over everyone else.

[@Birthday888]

When it comes to Curly's talk with Jimmy, I think it was a little bit of both. If he was just trying to calm down Jimmy, I don't think he would have let him into the cockpit by himself. So I think there was definitely a part of him that was holding onto hope that Jimmy could change, however naive/delusional it was.

[@mindshuffler3332]

Let's all hope on the gate train for Jumping Jimmy Jimbolia!

[@pandagamer-hg5be]

"Castle super beast 240" did we travel back in time?

[@unamusedrohan1666]

One thing I love about all Mouthwashing discussions is that everyone, no matter how intellectual or measured they're trying to be, will always slip into some variation of "I want to kill Jimmy with a rock"

[@ImiriDavid]

Pony Express ended all man made expeditions, so no one will ever find Curly

[@TheGibbie]

There really should have been a turn gun on self option at any and every point you play as jimmy

[@Akaritomi]

I know how you feel Pat. I have several Jimmy in my family 😒

[@Manual-Daniel]

Captain Walker be like

[@Житинеможливо]

Jimmy wishes he had half the moral fibre of Swansea

[@Dan-Ky-Kang]

This is the greatest piece of work on corproate workplace environment, and it's not even close. EVERYONE hates Jimmy, except for other Jimmies

[@sansfromcoolmathgames]

someone commented on my mouthwashing fanart that they have a mutual who's a "jimmy fictive" so they needed to tag my art a certain way so they wouldn't see it (because i was roasting jimmy). and i was just like. oof. idk much about fictives/alters but of all the characters it had to be jimmy huh. ouch.

[@TheSpookiestSkeleton]

wait, 240? I thought you guys were almost at 300!

[@theschnieder7392]

Swansea was the best of us

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

surprised it took them this long

[@therapymutt1468]

I feel pretty confident that I wouldn't experience remorse if anyone who identifies with Jimmy or goes "but wait though" about him got a cattle brand of 'DO NOT TRUST' on their forehead.

[@noobotron200]

Woolie please, Daisuke is clearly a himbim

[@OllyRoger]

Saving @29:13 for posterity.

[@BottleWaterson]

mmmm, yummy ethanol

[@slandracon3853]

FUCK YES waited for this one

[@slandracon3853]

I think one of the weirder details, that in sure someone smarter has figured out how it connects, is in the beginning when Jimmy mentions "...admitting to having an attraction to cartoon horses" or something similar.

[@Shiratto]

Am I crazy that uploading the spoilercast before the full playthrough's been posted is odd? (For context I'm a console peasant, I couldn't play this game if I wanted)