Just How Bad Is It? Vektor CP-1 at the BUG Match

[@Sheriff_McPants]

It's weird to see Ian not be struggling or having constant failures at a BUG match.

[@_ArsNova]

Most times the pistol is chambered for modern, mass-produced cartridge the gun works. It's usually when he's using old guns in obsolete calibers, where the only ammo is either old or made by sketchy manufacturers that he has the most trouble.

[@beargillium2369]

If you don't count the mag separating

[@josho5108]

@@beargillium2369yep he got off easy there

[@Skyfighter64]

@@beargillium2369 That doesn't really count, since it didn't cause any actual failures during the stages, just amusement after the fact.

[@stenchemitter2407]

I mean, you have to have a pretty bad gun to lose a match against bugs

[@krissteel4074]

Out of a lot of these we've seen over the years on FW its probably one of the 'least weird' pistols he's turned up with. Pretty good result too!

[@oscarlamonte3148]

We have the same UTUBE picture!!!😂🔥👍

[@davidbelzer]

He shot a Glock 18 in 30 super carry

[@AshleyPomeroy]

I remember he threw away his Taurus Curve in favour of a Hi-Point Yeet Cannon once. One of the few pistols that's just as lethal if you throw it.

[@krissteel4074]

@@AshleyPomeroy It did sort of end up were everyone expected in a way. Mostly if he turned up with something made in the last 80 years it'd be considered 'getting serious' about the results :)

[@Rixoli]

Like I've said before when he isn't taking a weird pistol with all the quirks and weirdness he cleans out pretty damn well

[@brendanliamgill99]

I kinda want to see him do a backup gun mach with a 1903 colt pocket hammerless just to see his score.

[@boatrat]

I think... Something like that already HAS been done? Maybe? Not sure. Maybe it was the 1908 I'm thinking of... Anyway, if you really are interested in either of those, it may be worth combing through the back-catalog for a look.

[@AshleyPomeroy]

He did a video with Shanghai 1908 Pocket Hammerless, which was the same but in .380. He did really well - he came in third: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZmXWd4OmftZoipo

[@brendanliamgill99]

@@boatrat I just checked he did that was apparently 4 years ago.

[@onkelmicke9670]

An FN 1903/Husqvarna M07 would be awesome.

[@tomaspabon2484]

I personally wanna see a Semmerling LM4

[@paleoph6168]

Ian turns the BUG match into the PRAWN match with this gun.

[@lightweight1974]

Yeah, but there's no mother ship hovering over the match.

[@thelegendaryklobb2879]

"Fookin prawns!"

[@petesheppard1709]

It's nice to see a gun with a bad reputation beat the rap! Did you notice any heat buildup from the gas system?

[@vvr881]

The more you shoot after about 30 rnds the greater the recoil

[@mrkeogh]

The polymer frame probably does a decent job of insulating that heat from the shooters hand. IIRC on the later models of the P7, HK added a little polymer shield to protect the trigger finger from getting burned 😬

[@petesheppard1709]

@@mrkeogh Good point. 😎

[@JonathanWrightZA]

I love how Ian describes South African firearms as difficult to find in the US (which they are), meanwhile in South Africa my dealer would just ask "How many do you want?". After his recent video about the Musgrave 9mm and how difficult it is to find, I immediately found one in an auction catalogue (at equivalent of $250) for 23 December along with several C96 Broomhandles 🤣

[@bower31]

Always wondered how significant gun culture was in SA, and what the market is like there

[@aaronfarnsworth7653]

Ian should start Forgotten Weapons Imports. The place to go for unusual, antique or classic arms, tools, gear and clothing.

[@natquesenberry6368]

South African guns are creative and different. Pretty cool.

[@AdamJorgensen]

@@bower31 Guns are available but I don't think gun culture is as big a thing there as it is in the US. I was born in there 80s and only left in 2019 and my impression was that, outside of farmers, guns where not nearly as big a cultural thing as they seem to be in the US.

[@JonathanWrightZA]

@@AdamJorgensen You clearly don't know the Muslim areas of the Cape Flats or the Helderberg 🤣

[@michaelcorleone2794]

It looks like a gun out of Asimov’s universe. Especially stars like dust.

[@stevenbobbybills]

Amusingly enough, the future dystopia I assoiate the Vektor CP1 with the most is The Hunger Games, since the films make it the standard sidearm of Capitol troops.

[@davesimmons8640]

Knowing your love of headwear, I expected you to wear a space helmet while using the CP-1. Nice shooting, Ian! Congratulations!

[@Schrodingers_kid]

4-th place? That's amazing Love seeing Ian getting good places, he's been improving a lot lately

[@Pilotmario]

It helps that he's using a properly functional firearm than some dysfunctional esoteric garbage.

[@Forrestminds]

Dude you’re getting so much better as a shooter it’s so fun to watch. Love the content and the skill!

[@boingkster]

Love these BUG matches! Keep up the awesome work Ian!

[@Miner-dyne]

The clean simplicity of the design (mechanical) really shines through in this match. The fact that it looks like the Taurus Spectrum's alien grandpappy is just a bonus!

[@PearlJam2k6]

The more i see it, the more i actually like it. There's a strange charm to it, thanks for doing a video on this one as i've never actually seen it before (or have but never registered it mentally).

[@andersjjensen]

The "no snagging" design idea seem to have worked out well. I can't imagine this thing grabbing your shirt or jacket in any way even if you carry it ghetto style.

[@BobcatSchneidermann]

Weird little Sci-Fi gat. I kind of dig it.

[@hypethekomodo6495]

That...actually performed a ton better than I thought it would. I mean outside of the original mag almost flat out falling out of the gun no hickups and it was plenty fast.

[@darthhodges]

In the breakdown video he said the trigger pull was kind of crummy, especially when you compare it to other hammer-fired, single-action pistols. But I guess this example was good enough for this kind of close range match.

[@rupertboleyn3885]

For the recalled and re-worked ones. For the originals it's okay, as I recall.

[@chillville2938]

You have an amazing trigger finger amigo, and I look forward to more of these videos

[@swagnut9864]

I always love seeing these BUG matches. Keep up the awesome work fellow Ian

[@Bojangles6]

That gas delay is underutilized in compact guns. Its a simple mechanism that doesnt need a floating barrel, heavy slide or super heavy recoil spring.

[@amack1996]

I thought he was gonna end up 1st overall, could tell things were going really well for him with that blaster. Thanks for sharing!

[@dreadarekon1290]

A colleague was saved in SA by the guns unusual design when on duty an offender wrestled pistol off him pushed the safety I.e the the mag release and was surprised when he was shot with his back up pistol

[@glockparaastra]

A Brand New mag is about $35 here in South Africa.

[@dennismetzger9287]

The draw for 4th was actually Ryan from RememberedWeapons

[@jeffreyoldham55]

Cool pistol. Reminds me of a Beretta Px4 Storm. Only more futuristic.

[@larry648]

Looks like a design that may need to be revisited. Being single action it can have a great trigger with a little work.

[@onkelmicke9670]

The hammer/seat engagement is a bit involved.

[@lairdcummings9092]

Good ergonomics, and a robust, simple design. Glad to see that it functioned as well as it looks.

[@Ontheregz]

It looks like ass

[@aidanfarnan4683]

The thing about product recalls, especially with firearms, is that they'll recall the lot if there is an error with even quite a small number of the product because they don't want to get sued. If you get a good one it should be fine. The mag floor plate doesn’t look great, so the must have been some quality control issues, but the design looks fine.

[@keithmalmberg8395]

As one who runs a different gun at almost every match you are quite the marksman. Love seeing you run these odd guns.

[@wheelcha1rman2]

At this point I think the RO would be freaked out if Ian brought something normal to a BUG match. 😅

[@brianhunt8273]

I only static target shoot, but I get some of my best groups with my CP-1. I really like it!

[@thelastjohnwayne]

That design was actually way ahead of its time. There have been a lot of pistols made that look very similar.

[@NGMonocrom]

Get you some Super Glue for that floor-plate, Ian!

[@lolk4530]

I really want this thing to come back into production with a few improvements.

[@propdoctor21564]

Another interesting and entertaining video as usual

[@DesertMav]

It's good to see a platform that actually performs quite well in a BUG match for Ian. It certainly looks like a solid pocket or BUG choice for those savant collectors out there.

[@earldelsanto]

I checked one out back in late 90s. Really wanted it do to its looks. Wish I bought it.

[@weedwacker1716]

I almost bought one of those when I was a kid (idk, 24 or 25). What held me back was that it was in 9mm and only eurotrash had guns in those under powered cap gun rounds. All these years I thought I had dodged a bullet not getting that piece. I guess I was wrong - about a lot of things.

[@simonrook5743]

Having watched the technical video I’d convinced myself this was going to be a nice firing gun, the low recoil and ease of getting back on target was obvious in the video, especially low for a 9mm weighing as little as it does.

[@MegaAxm]

I love my CP1, still searching 13 rds magazines

[@jamesalexander7540]

I am glad to see the sweatshirt that you are wearing. When should I expect to see another video?

[@cedhome7945]

Be great to see the prices of this gun go up now it's been shown to be ok ( people now going through the gun safe thinking now Is the time to sell) 😀

[@kevingaddis7276]

I love mine. Works every time.

[@TMFShooting]

Great Video 💯 Thanks Ian 💥💥💥💥💥💥

[@alfazagato1455]

Has Ian ever covered the Hi Point? We, as a collective coomunity, love to shit on them. The history and engineering is actually kind of fascinating, though.

[@PokemonHaloFan]

I wonder if you could 3D print a new magazine floorplate.

[@TWX1138]

It would probably just be easier to identify any flaw like a crack or a failed crimp and either epoxy a crack or address anything with a crimp that has gone wrong.

[@Hysteria98]

Or just glue it on??

[@NomadicHacker.]

Wow that is definitely one of the best bug runs yet

[@steven3379]

Channeling Leon Redbone a bit here! 😅... Good video!

[@jonathanwaswrong3917]

Not bad for a garden hose attachment... 😅

[@Sungodv]

I've wanted one since I first saw it...

[@manythingslefttobuild]

Nice to see you take a CP-1 to a match, great job on getting 4th! I remember it from Dark Angel, it was a failed present pistol between main characters. The giver used it as their carry pistol for the rest of the show.

[@robertoservadei4766]

The way you move through the course of fire has improved fantastically over the last years. Have you taken any course with any of the USPS Stars or is it just observation and practice?

[@SteamCrane]

The type of ammo used was not mentioned. The previous video talked about them working well with ball, but failing with hollow point. Which did you use?

[@malkomalkavian]

I don't understand the scoring of these things. On the first 'reclining' target, what couldn't the judge let him have? Was it too low or something?

[@Nomogizmo111200]

I gotta get one those pistols

[@kylebradley3]

I wish we had back up gun matches where I go

[@pewpewTN]

I wish these would come back.

[@herknorth8691]

Have you done a video detailing how the scoring works at the BUG match? I'm still not 100% sure how it works.

[@bananieldiamonds1921]

beleive it or not this is similar to the bad reputation of the tec 9. now there are certainly lemon tec 9s but most of the problems come from promag. the type of person to buy a tec 9 is also the type of person who wouldnt aim well, take care of their gun, or use expensive mags or decent ammo. a promag full of tula in a dirty gun won't run well. but if you use factory mags and keep it clean, and use decent enough ammo, the tec 9 is accurate and reasonably reliable. i personally have only experienced 1 jam in several hundred rounds. it's more reliable than a 1911 but thats not saying that much. its really surprisingly accurate though.

[@ifyoudontfailyouarenoteven6210]

Funny thing - Gamo air pistols - P25 and P85 look somehow similar.

[@WardenWolf]

It's not a terrible gun. As much as people talk about drop safety nowadays, people forget that until the 1980s or so virtually no guns were truly drop safe. A proper holster was and is the proper solution. Not liking most hollowpoints, that's more important thing. That said, there's more modern hollowpoints it would probably do just fine with.

[@danielwordsworth1843]

Could you make a vid about Stribog? Folks around where I am from cant stop praising it

[@JohnTBlock]

Looks like you had a cool run with it. Good ergonomics seem to have helped those 'fast and close' sequences... is that mag base plate repairable, you think, or need replacement? Probably unobtainium to find one.... Are they still on the market in S. Africa? Perhaps a homie can send a base plate replacement, to keep the "hi-cap" mag working?

[@hoilst265]

Honestly, more gun makers - hell, any makers of anything - need to some real industrial designers behind them. I love the look of this thing, but I love the fact that they took to the time to make this thing look like it does.

[@maxjoechl5663]

There was the era of the polymer fishgun, where Beretta had legendary designer Giorgetto Giugaro work on the CX4 storm, but with the demand for exchangeable quad-rail foreends and AR-like ergonomics, many designs lose much of their visual uniqueness, or disappear altogether. Basically the gun version of carcinization, where wildly different groups of crustaceans eventually evolve into a common crab-like shape. I guess there is more leeway for unique designs with handguns (like smoother lines for less snag, as Vektor tried to do with the CP1). The Chiappa Rhino could be seen as a handgun that was commercially successful while being innovative both in function (low bore axis) and aesthetics… sadly, Emilio Ghisoni (who also made the Mateba) passed away in 2008.

[@hoilst265]

@@maxjoechl5663 Honestly, that's why this is pretty much the only gun channel I watch (that, and Ian doesn't screw around with presenting or the usual KZbinr crap). How much needs to be said about the AR platform? And there's only so much you can do to 'em, and it's just...splitting pubic hairs after a point. Oooooh, you put an Idaho Tactical foregrip on it that has 0.03" deeper grooves on it than the equivalent Cockburn Tactical one, but is also 0.24" shorter than the Tactics Tactically Tactical one. Tactical.

[@Reijack]

Man, when he's not being hampered by an antique Ian is REALLY fast!

[@ofidiotabagista5259]

Were you using the original version or the firing pin safety revision with the heavier trigger?

[@Sabretoothsquirrel]

Those two first stages looked to be set up to be quite John Wick-y

[@wmlamptracker]

Was this the unrecalled version from the video or was this the one that underwent the recall and had the heavier trigger pull?

[@armorpig]

Was this one of the recalled pistols with the harder trigger, or pre-recall?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Pre-recall

[@psp1921tsmg]

Where are the Cylons?

[@oscarjosefsson9300]

Was this the version with or without the "drop safety"?

[@9unslin9er]

Honestly love these Spacegun style pistols (Whitney Wolverine, Remington R51) despite their unreliability. They just look cool.

[@WranglerJKLS]

I've always felt a budget gas delayed blowback, squeeze cocker, like the P7 could be popular.

[@DerrillGuilbert]

Dunno if this is practical, but I'd love to see you do a run on the same stages with a "regular" gun, for comparison sake. A bit like the old "one regular Joe at the Olympics" thing?

[@howardmaryon]

The pistol obviously “points” well. Years ago I tried a drill, an odd one, where you stood about 2yards from a target board, which was very close to the berm, and fired a series of shots, two handed, with your eyes closed. Sounds mad, but the resulting group showed how your muscle memory was, and the “pointability” of the gun in your hands.

[@patrickmuhwheeney6518]

I'm confused...I thought single action on a pistol meant the trigger only drops the hammer, which must be cocked manually for each shot...

[@tracywagoner4907]

Pretty cool, amazing how rumors about something come from fact and expand to where it is the greatest or worst thing ever

[@silverbladeTE]

*"AD VICTORIUM!"* ;) Well, ok, he'd need a gatling laser but I'm sure Ian will have one some day! :)

[@charliemanis9193]

I would be interested to see Taurus pt22 or Beretta 21A in a match

[@harrycallahan9733]

Does it get warm and toasty when you shoot fast, like the P7? :)

[@BlueMooGuns]

What kind of Bourbon do you keep in that globe bar?

[@ben501st]

The CP-1 is closer to what the Remington R51 should have been than what Remington actually released.

[@JuiceJive]

So, were you using the drop safety repaired one or the original?

[@JordanFlayer]

original

[@duncanluciak5516]

Dr. Killinger isn't around to fix it up this time, Dr. Venture!

[@ristoalanko9281]

Did you get any bullet jacket residue in the gas cylinder? That plagued my Vector every time, regardless of the ammo, all full jacket, of course.

[@dylanmeek5570]

Which version did you use? Was it the pre-recalled one with the drop safety issue or the modified one with the heavier trigger?

[@JordanFlayer]

pre-recall

[@DANO-4899]

Carry that gun and your catch phrase should be "take me to your leader". 🔫

[@jaronsimon9305]

Why is there someone moaning in the background at 1:18

[@crankygunreviews]

Good ranking on the competition, but I bet if you shot a few more rounds each time, the mag probably would have fallen apart

[@ptonpc]

Wait a minute, Ian with a gun that works at a BUG match? Must be an X File.

[@IchNixHabenUsername]

1:20 whats the problem, seems like a headshot to me (not familiar with the rules though)

[@JordanFlayer]

the center of the head is 7 points, the outer portion is 6, and it didnt break the perforation so it didnt count for 7

[@IchNixHabenUsername]

@@JordanFlayer thx! :)

[@anteshell]

Was that the fixed or original version?

[@jwilkinson5987]

Curious about heat from it being a gas delayed blowback. How was it compared to a HKP7 or the Alien?

[@ibrahim10910]

I fired this pistol in 1996. It was jamming regularly with factory ammo but it was way more accurate than Glock 22.

[@lancedooley7558]

I have one. Very rare and used in movies along with South African SF. I'd never sell mine under $2,000 on Gun Broker. Just fyi if you are a collector.

[@criggie]

Ian - if you have a gun with hideous sights, take it to a match dressed as a storm trooper, and aim for the worst possible score. Like those card games where you win by loosing all hands.

[@TheXaelem]

Was issued one of these workingnat a security company. No issues and very comfortable to carry around all day... Just don't drop the damn thing

[@Iowa599]

The swoopy plastic look of that makes me think it was also available in pink.

[@Weasel_Face333]

Is there like a prize pool or anything?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Nope, no prizes

[@Weasel_Face333]

@@ForgottenWeapons Gotcha, still looks fun!

[@fishdisc7022]

Was this a pre-recall gun with the lighter trigger?

[@JordanFlayer]

yes

[@LittlyLary]

Wish they could be gotten for cheaper! Always wanted for the fifth element my favorite movie.