Just Moomin and Snufkin pining for each other, and Moominpappa being a great dad

I love these moments. :)
It's from the episode 34 The Kite, if you're wondering.
Why do they even have those silly adventures?? I want the whole episodes made of moments like this instead! XD
I don't own anything in here except my undying love for these guys. XD

[@maicey_t.]

Snufkin must really hate goodbyes if he just completely avoids them like that. He'd rather stay longer in Moominvalley and freeze than say goodbye to Moomin.

[@LionneAlex]

"Emotions? I'm outta here!" :D I agree. This is a good point.

[@nefera3086]

Interesting point, I never thought of that🤔

[@beachballssideaccount]

This kind of changed my perspective. At first, I thought it was because Snufkin was being pretentious about his freedom (which he kind of is sometimes) and acting like saying goodbye to Moomintroll was an unreasonable request. But the guy just hates goodbyes, which is understandable and I feel for that.

[@Zomzboy]

Thats so wholesome but at the same time so fricken sad

[@operationflatline7005]

Ditto 73 A

[@nyloaf]

Man the animators must have enjoyed not having to animate half of the Moomins' talking, since 80% of the time their big noses are in the way

[@LionneAlex]

Yes, just add some jerky movements :D

[@feyefall4855]

Bet it made lip-syncing easier, too!

[@FramboiseLFC]

@@feyefall4855 Yeah! That's what I was about to reply too! I'm an audiovisual translator/adaptator (I translate the dialogs in my language - French - and then have to adapt them so that they match the lip movements) and I can't help but think of how much easier adapting Moomintroll's lines must be thanks to his big snout! lol.

[@snufkin8940]

AKA: Moominpappa teaches moomintroll about the fabled "introvert"

[@LionneAlex]

ah, introverts. :)

[@chispychisp1690]

@@LionneAlex you called? Wait nvm message me in 3 months I need to prepare

[@LionneAlex]

@@chispychisp1690 :D I'm getting better and better at waiting))

[@fariesz6786]

feels more like an ambivert tbh at least i read that into him, and empathize strongly

[@autumngalix4616]

I like to think Moomin and Snufkin do like each other, but just like their real world counterparts, can't sustain a relationship because of each other's nature. Their personalities fit together, just not their goals and life styles. In the books, Snorkmaiden comforts Moomin when Snufkin leaves. She can always be there when Snufkin cannot. But there is always a longing, a curiosity of what could of been if things were different. I think that's what their relationship represents, the left overs of a relationship that couldn't be. A longing that cannot be fulfilled. Izzy Mitchell, another viewer here on KZbin, turned my whole perspective around. Instead of the relationship representing longing, they thought it represented compromise. Moomin can't join Snufkin on his adventures, and Snufkin needs his freedom to be alone. They have contrasting natures, but as Izzy put it, "Like, instead of "stay with me," it's more of a "come back when you can." I just love that".

[@LionneAlex]

I really like this perspective. Thank you so much for sharing! Such an important message in our age of "all or nothing" and instant gratification galore...

[@anon9359]

This comment lowkey gave me war flashback on the essays I've had to read, lol. Except this one was on something I actually like.

[@anisa3962]

. and then i cried

[@emilykapallen4979]

Two people who love each other - in whatever way you resonate with - and are willing to sacrifice for each other.

[@crispywithinthemeat]

I like moominpapa in this scene. Shows that it’s not only the mother that is wise and dependable in media.

[@LionneAlex]

I agree!

[@neillocke7429]

Two bros chillin' by the riverside 5 feet apart cause they're not gay

[@LionneAlex]

Social distancing

[@mslightbulb]

Awkward avoidance

[@theotter7021]

Wasn't that the episode where Snork was all like "men don't pine for their friends"? Bc it was gay af

[@beachballssideaccount]

I hope he gets rid of that attitude in Moominvalley Season 3 >:(

[@theotter7021]

@@beachballssideaccount samee

[@LionneAlex]

No, it's a different one. That one is called "Hurry up Snufkin" (don't remember the number). This one is "The Kite". Who cares about their kite? XD This is all there is to watch in this episode. :)

[@LionneAlex]

@@beachballssideaccount On the other hand, a little tension is gooood :))

[@beachballssideaccount]

@@LionneAlex True, tension is good food. Especially in a drama.

[@mykenziewaugh1078]

Snufkin travels during the winter, so I don't think the cold really bothers him. So staying until Moomin fell asleep wasn't inconvenient for him at all I think. He's lived outdoors his whole life, pretty sure he can handle hanging out, otherwise he wouldn't have offered. He really cares for Moomin

[@LionneAlex]

Nah, don't know :) One thing is to sneak away before it's too cold, and the other thing is drag yourself through the mounds of snow :D

[@moonrat1955]

Moominpappa understands because he was good friends with Snufkins Dad

[@LionneAlex]

Good point! :)

[@diegodelacruzanaya537]

Oh so the cycle continues

[@l0newolfgang]

"Good friends"

[@iamhannahjasmine]

As an introvert, I get why Snufkin might want to leave without saying goodbye. It's gonna happen every year, and it's harder to be emotional about it every time. It's not supposed to be cruel to Moomin. Because it's a natural thing for Snufkin to leave to be on his own, making it emotional and difficult (plus having another reason to regret leaving) will make Snufkin wonder why he's leaving. If he chooses not to leave so he can't "hurt" Moomin, he will be unhappy to be around Moomin. That's cruel for both of them in the long run.

[@milogee4108]

cameraman got shaky hands 0:56

[@cottencandykitten]

It's cold! He wanted to be closer to fire but wasn't able.

[@moth9659]

Ikr it always happens in KZbin episodes

[@LionneAlex]

I was curious about this, too :D

[@cottencandykitten]

@BitterVoid in Japanese: A: no! Why! you knocked the table! B: I'll put it back! It's ok! A: no stop touching it! B: there. All better. A: sigh. (I know, that's not how it works.)

[@LionneAlex]

@@thellyeah I love this thread! Such attention to detail. Deductive work. :)

[@beachballssideaccount]

Who needs interesting father-son bonds when we can spend 22 minutes watching Snorkmaiden talk about her future kids, Xavier and Amanda?

[@LionneAlex]

To each their own, right? XD

[@LionneAlex]

@@penguin2612 Not sure. Maybe, "Motherly love"? XD

[@nmtltlz]

DID YOU JUST- *CANDACE?*

[@beachballssideaccount]

@@nmtltlz I applaud you for getting my super cool reference.

[@nmtltlz]

@@beachballssideaccount comparing snorkmaiden to candace frightens me I love candace, but snorkmaiden uses..her braincells

[@shibumi-tanuki]

MINUTE DETAIL HERE FOLKS: At the end, just before the video ends, you can see Snufkin’s smile widen just slightly. It’s like he’s telling himself “Perhaps this isn’t such a bad idea, after all...”

[@LionneAlex]

Love his subtle smiles...

[@Kurtspplover69]

The way I gasped when I saw it-

[@Weirdboxofchaos]

Aw it does that’s actually so cute glad you pointed it out

[@max3370]

That little smile snufkin does in the end, ughhhhh it kills me! They are so adorable it should be illegal!!

[@LionneAlex]

I feel these things, too. :)

[@fishboi6051]

:)

[@SnaxMang]

Sometimes the difference in voices makes me think is is lmao

[@funandlala]

1:55 "He'd really hate to turn you down~" Moomin Papa is an expert with pleading both cases. That's such a wonderful way to speak to a child who's feeling sad about their friend needing space. No ones wrong and Moomin papa was certain to avoid picking sides and was completely trueful whilst gentle ♡ Beautiful scene. ♡

[@CommunistJugular]

That bit where Moomin's voice breaks 😢 poor kiddo was about to cry

[@LionneAlex]

Right! His emotions are no joke :)

[@Ice_barrage]

good voice acting right there

[@Psycho-Thinker]

2:48

[@moth9659]

Moominpappa and little my are snufmin #1 supporters

[@LionneAlex]

What a great family)

[@doritoavneernitram9150]

2:30 " Two bros Chillin' In a Hot tube, five feet apart cause... not gay "

[@LionneAlex]

Well, it's 6 feet apart! They're being socially responsible :D

[@andrewmurray1084]

In our present era of TV, in which virtually all cartoon dads are near-universally depicted as lazy, dimwitted, drunken, dysfunctional, cowardly, incompetent, brainless, bumbling buffoons, It's honestly really refreshing and heartwarming to encounter an animated father who dispenses such genuinely wise, kind, caring, supportive and wholesome life-advice to his kids. 💖 Our culture dearly needs more representation of truly exemplary role-model dads like Moominpappa. 🥰

[@LionneAlex]

THIS IS GREAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID! :) Thank you for this. 100% true.

[@1Thunderfire]

Makes me wonder why cartoon mothers are with the cartoon fathers when, as you rightfully say, they are all near-universally lazy, etc. Like, what is holding the relationship together at this point? Because saying it's for the sake of the kids is a terrible reason. My parents splitting up was the best thing for me in my personal experience.

[@Psycho-Thinker]

That's why Japanese writers are Better than Americans in writing characters

[@MaTeiso4]

omg, the tension between Snufkin and Moomin in the first scene is so intense I didn't notice!

[@LionneAlex]

No kiddin'. :) One could cut that tension with a knife.

[@gemmithedragon]

and then snufkin was late to spring

[@LionneAlex]

Oh well! He was. :)

[@podoke]

moominpapa explaining how good relationships have boundaries this show was written by introvert

[@Joyjoy-xr3ed]

I have always felt so conflicted about Snufmin's Dynamic, They fit so well together but I don't think Snufkin would ever want to commit more than he already does now to Moomin with how their friendship works, even if I'd love to imagine Snufkin and Moomin being together in any sort of romantic relationship beyond this, It's hard to truly see that as a possibility more because of Snufkin's Wanderlust that will always keep him wanting to have that solitude he craves, even so, this is portrayed perfectly here, and the growth Moomin seems to gain as time goes on, to be able to accept Snufkin's nature is truly something that makes me love Moominvalley, it isn't often a show puts depth in a characters nature and how said nature effects those around said characters, Snufkin's want for solitude and his wanderlust for freedom, conflicts heavily with his honest care for Moomintroll and Moominvalley as a whole so much so that he can even consider Moomintroll a friend to return to, I will always remember this because of Snufkin and Moomins Friendship, It's just so enticing

[@towel1636]

"but at heart uh he is a vagabond, he's not a family man"

[@cephi]

did i just start crying bc of a wonderfully written fluffy marshmallow hippo dad

[@towel1636]

‼️😠💔💯 I blame Joxter and Mymble, poor snufkin has a terrible attachment style ‼️💔💯 And I relate 😭😭😭

[@LionneAlex]

You're so right.

[@ikisscomputers]

Old fluffy dad man talks so matter-of-factly though

[@LionneAlex]

Wanna punch him :D The boy is suffering here!

[@michaelwellen2866]

It's more like Moomin pining for Snufkin, and Snufkin not quite caring. Not in a mean way, of course, he just truly doesn't understand attachment.

[@jackmichaelpeter]

The way he looks forward right at the end. Says a thousand words

[@rayssamonroy]

Just in cse u guys fo nor know - the autor of the series was bissexual and Moomin is not only in, this sense but ny all means, an expression of her heart and feelings.

[@LionneAlex]

Totally, you're correct. And it's not news for the majority here :D

[@theotauriainen1193]

Oh my this sounds very different in English 😅 I’ve only ever watched it in Swedish and Finnish so this is sooo weird but you know what? It’s ok too! Also moomin and his dad have such a good bond and I just LOVE to see it

[@LionneAlex]

I love their relationship in 90s, too! I think they lost it in 2019 because Moominpappa is such a snob in the new one.

[@ratboy2]

awh moomin sad nooooo

[@Kristalya]

The English voices are cute in this version! Basically on par with the Finnish ones. Good job since English is the most important one since I want the whole world to love Moomins! 🇫🇮🤍

[@Ice_barrage]

did you add the sound at the 2:02? it's not there on the finnish version

[@LionneAlex]

Yes I did! For a dramatic effect. How attentive you are! :)

[@helloramona8643]

THE NOSTALGIA I remember thissss

[@spamilton_uwu4129]

Moominpapa really just called Snufkin a vagabond, huh? i mean true but how rude

[@shadowcattt]

He gets called a vagabond all the time in the books! I don't think he minds

[@cecily3797]

I think he actually calls himself that in another episode

[@djmarsone5209]

2:49 OMG that it's a rainbow in the mountain behind moomin?🤣

[@LionneAlex]

Not sure. But my colors are all screwed up :D

[@djmarsone5209]

@@LionneAlex ohhh

[@fishboi6051]

Lol

[@zahando5420]

Oh man, it feels really weird listening to the english dub, since I grew up with the finnish one lol.

[@jackmichaelpeter]

Three minutes of perfectly scripted story telling

[@LionneAlex]

It's really good! :)

[@americo9999]

so sad about this show "emotions in November" what happened to the Moomins? ;( so sad for snufkin and Toft, it is like one of those movies where at the end the whole thing was dreamed, in this case by Toft and hence the Moomins never existed or some sort of twisted reality D: , oh Gosh , Snufkin !!!

[@gobisGalaxy_star]

there such good friends it makes my heart sing.

[@Psycho-Thinker]

2:30 The soundtrack is amazing

[@brittanymcmcmc9730]

snufkins voice sounds like paul rudd to me LOL

[@LionneAlex]

Thank you for expanding my cultural knowledge :D It really does! Their voices are quite similar!

[@Cutekitty858]

Thanks for the really nice video!

[@jocelynecupcake]

The only reason I don't ship them is because I feel like there's an age gap but they are cute together regardless

[@LionneAlex]

It hugely depends on the dub, it seems :)

[@jocelynecupcake]

@@LionneAlex I guess you're right. Even in the comics, though. Snufkin's confirmed to be older than Moomin. we don't know how much older but he's older. it's okay to see things differently, though. They don't give away ages for a reason

[@LionneAlex]

@@jocelynecupcake I like to think about them as being quite close in age

[@jocelynecupcake]

@@LionneAlex cool. that's the nice thing about not mentioning ages in shows, you can see them as either way

[@beachballssideaccount]

They're both addressed as children in The Exploits of Moominpappa and Finn Family Moomintroll. Tove Jansson intended for them to be close in age but left their actual ages ambiguous. Even if Snufkin's a year or two older, it's not drastic. Case closed.

[@Sarta-Art]

А потом они нашли окоченевшую мумию Мумрика в погребе своего дома. Бедняга тщетно пытался выжить на варенье.

[@LionneAlex]

НЕЕЕЕЕЕЕЕЕЕЕЕТ!....

[@LionneAlex]

Дети! Никогда не пытайтесь выжить на варенье! Никогда!

[@Sarta-Art]

@@LionneAlex Записка рядом с телом: "это была очень сладкая, но холодная смерть"

[@LionneAlex]

@@Sarta-Art :DD :(

[@s.o.4956]

Why does Moomin’s voice remind me of Moral Orel 😭

[@IndieFic]

Aawww ❤️

[@fishboi6051]

Nice

[@bustedkeaton]

Woah the film is so shaky especially 0:58 🥴

[@user-nt2nw8qi9w]

Me too, sort of

[@CaptainUnikitty]

No don’t kill snufkin

[@meowhihihi]

This got into my recommendation and I'm very clueless on what this is-

[@LionneAlex]

GET AWAY BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!!!

[@meowhihihi]

@@LionneAlex I'm deciding to not fall down the pit or not rn-

[@LionneAlex]

@@meowhihihi *holding my breath* :)

[@perrythedrinker2094]

I've been watching a lot of videos like this but I don't know what's the name of this TV show

[@hilatzayyada3379]

Its adventures from moominvalley

[@perrythedrinker2094]

@@hilatzayyada3379 okay thank you

[@inkyblack000]

Why did I never know that moomins name was moomintroll

[@LionneAlex]

it's ok, now you know :D

[@Grag9091]

Snork Maiden who?

[@fishboi6051]

👀

[@doctorh.m.l4727]

How old is moonmentroll enywey?

[@LionneAlex]

Who knows :)

[@sea_slug]

he turns 10 in comet in moominland. that's why i don't understand why they made snufkin look and sound like an adult (his age is unknown in the books but since he hangs out with the kids i assume he's a kid or a teenager too).

[@mslightbulb]

@@sea_slug well, considering people keep asking themselves if he is 7 or 20. I’d say he is like 12 or 13? Maybe? He seems angsty.

[@beachballssideaccount]

Kind of ambiguous in the books, I enjoy how he switches between youthful troll and grumpy old man.

[@Snofey1]

@@mslightbulb I think so too. My guess would be that moomin is 10 or 11 in first episode and around 14 in the last episode of season 1 when Snufkin leaves once again. I think that at least 3 years passes through this 90’s anime? 🤔

[@morgandunn6384]

What is this cartoon and how did it suddenly become some sort of internet thing? Edit: I didn’t mean to be mean it’s a serious question.

[@worldswift1499]

The show is The Moomins, and I guess it became a thing because of the Moominvalley 2019 series

[@morgandunn6384]

@@worldswift1499 thank you for responding. It seems like such a sweet cartoon. :)

[@TerexJ]

Definitely going to remake this video without your on screen text-based comments. There is an about section and a comment section for a reason.

[@LionneAlex]

You're more than welcome.

[@rosinlapsi]

not a fan of the english dub tbh

[@bertyshogan6746]

why do you people use "gay" word so much? Is a "best friend" not enough? ..video with no dislikes, wow

[@bertyshogan6746]

i think im starting to get it, but will be glad if someone clarifies it to me

[@LionneAlex]

I personally like "best friends". :) And I have no problem with "gay". I just like meaningful relationships, no matter the label.

[@bertyshogan6746]

thank you for answer Im just saying it is different words. I always thought "gay" is about men having sех, whether they are friends or not. But you can be close friends with no regard to this. And since I read Janssons books being a kid, this word really confuses me. So i just can't get it. Perhaps, times change

[@lorna5116]

@@bertyshogan6746 hey there! Being gay isn’t just about sex: Kids can be gay and have gay crushes and there doesn’t have to be anything ‘sexual’ or adult about it. So I think when gay people see these two characters they recognise in their relationship a lot of themselves from when they were younger. Whether they are close friends or romantically interested is totally up to interpretation! But either way nobody is saying that there’s anything sexual going on.

[@bertyshogan6746]

so, in other words, it is about love, not sех? Hmmm