Just Pick One! - Mighty 8k vs Saturn 2 Vs M3 Premium

So, more than a few people have asked for this and here it is. of all the 28.5 Micron printers I have, which is the top pick? Well telling you in the comments would ruin the viewership of this video. So, kindly have a watch because the point really is that you need to decide what's right for "you".
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00:00 - Intro

[@FauxHammer]

Buy the Mighty 8k Here: Phrozen (with our Code for 15% off “FAUXHAMMER23“): www.tkqlhce.com/click-100540162-15455799 Amazon: amzn.to/3nFFvx6 (This and all Amazon links in our video description are affiliate links. Clicking these and making any purchase will earn us a commission from Amazon at no cost to you) Buy the Elegoo Saturn 2 here: Elegoo - shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=2183265&u=3060349&m=104244&urllink=&afftrack= Amazon - geni.us/ElegooSaturn2 Element Games - elementgames.co.uk/paints-hobby-and-scenery/elegoo-3d-printing/elegoo-saturn-2-3d-printer?d=10279 3D Jake - www.awin1.com/cread.php?awinmid=21809&awinaffid=1131857&ued=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.3djake.uk%2Felegoo%2Fsaturn-2 Buy the Anycubic Photon M3 Premium here: Anycubic - geni.us/AnycubicM3Premium Amazon - geni.us/PhotonM3Premium 3D Jake - www.awin1.com/cread.php?awinmid=21809&awinaffid=1131857&ued=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.3djake.uk%2Fanycubic-3d-printer-and-accessories%2Fphoton-m3-premium Buy the Elegoo Saturn 8k here: Elegoo - shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=2183267&u=3060349&m=104244&urllink=&afftrack= Amazon - www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=Saturn+8k&crid=15HYHP189M5R6&sprefix=saturn+8k%2Caps%2C223&ref=nb_sb_noss_1 3D Jake - www.awin1.com/cread.php?awinmid=21809&awinaffid=1131857&ued=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.3djake.uk%2Felegoo%2Fsaturn-8k This Video is part of our series looking for the Best 3D printer for Miniatures; www.fauxhammer.com/top-10/the-best-3d-printer-for-miniatures-models/ Get any printer working easily with the Photonsters XP Range Finder - www.thingiverse.com/thing:6023738 (watch my video for full instructions kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZ6TXq1vbJannbs) Join this channel to get access to perks: kzbin.info/door/_9Jsf3SP8aMJgn0xv5jHjAjoin Buy WARGAMER - The best Resin for Miniatures yesthats3dprinted.com/pages/wargamer?ref=FauxHammer

[@matineyang]

Exactly "and why it was the Saturn 2" lol. Actually for me it was the Saturn 2 8K. Such a great machine. I've had it since late last summer and haven't had a fail yet. Haven't had to change the NFEP either. I use it every other day on the average and its a work horse. My first printer was a Elegoo Mars 2 mono then a Mars 3. I bought the Phrozen Mini with my Mars 3 and returned it because it wasn't as reliable for me.

[@photoboyjet]

I used an Elegoo Saturn for about two years, then purchased a Saturn 2 about a year ago. The Saturn is gathering dust in the corner of my garage workshop. I keep telling myself that I will use the Saturn for projects not requiring a lot of detail, but the Saturn 2 is just a better machine, plus it is 8K! After a year, I can count the number of failed prints on my fingers. I have been printing almost every day, 6 to 12 hours for the past three months and have not even had to re-level the build plate.

[@FauxHammer]

Lol, I know the feeling, sell your Saturn, it's depreciation and it will at least get you a few extra bottles if resin and someone will be thankful for the printer.

[@BKDenied]

​@@FauxHammeras someone who's picking up a used first Gen Saturn today, I'm glad I can pick up a wash station, a printer, and 2 bottles of resin, for 250. Sounds like a great way for me to get my feet wet and make mistakes on something cheap instead of on a gk2

[@peterkiss1204]

I prefer a more simple UI design over a fancy smartphone-ish interface. It's a tool with a few relatively simple function. It doesn't need a complicated menu with artificially inflated features. The larger touchscreen is a nice to have feature though. I think the "buttons" are on the right because majority of the population is right handed. That way you don't cover up most of the screen with your hand while touching the buttons. 8:22 It is rather detrimental if the bolt head cuts itself into the part as future fine positioning won't be possible as the conical head will just pull itself into the indentation it made earlier. Not to mention the strength of the coupling doesn't come from the bolt head but from the friction between the surfaces forced together. Using conical head (countersunk) bolts is an interesting choice from Anycubic. On some earlier models they used socket cap head bolts with washers which seems to be a better solution from engineering standpoint. As wifi connection goes it's such a shame that there is no such alternative for resin printers as Octoprint (or the other similar web based UI implementations) for FDM printers where you have full control of your printer over a simple browser tab. These mobile apps are nice but they are definitely lacking even some basic functions. Not to mention I design my models on my PC not on my phone. There is an interesting solution for printers lacking (proper) wifi connection. There are wifi capable USB flashdrives with basically the same file transfer functionality this Phrozen printer offers. 20:20 You forgot about light intensity. Nothing guarantees perfectly equal UV light intensity even among the same models, let alone different brands with different settings.

[@anon64mus66]

M3 Premium for sure. The massive VAT is a brilliant choice they made and it's just necessary for this print volume. The build quality of the machine is an assurance for print quality, for me M3 is a clear win.

[@FauxHammer]

yeah, i miss that vat on other printers.

[@DemonOfFury]

But they have failing lcds and warped plates. That doesn’t sound quality, also anycubics customer support is slow and shipping is slower. Hear great things about elegoo….

[@anon64mus66]

@@DemonOfFury M3 Premium doesn't have the warped plate issue, the build plate is perfectly flat and very robust too. The screens though, I haven't experienced any failure with my MonoX, MonoX6k or M3Premium, all have been work horses so far.

[@OnceShy_TwiceBitten]

yes, BUT if you just make sure you put enough resin in you wont have a problem. More of a user issue than a necessity. SO I almost thtink the sonic is the better one otherwise?

[@anon64mus66]

@@OnceShy_TwiceBitten I'd still pick M3, you would appreciate the VAT design, trust me. Apart from that, I wont skip M3's much higher build/parts quality, better technology and far better design choices. Mind you that better build quality/technology has direct correlation with print quality. Oh also, I absolutly hate Elegoo's ball and socket joint for the build plate, it's the worst. Elegoo is just louder and more decieving in their marketing, that's all, it might be a bit cheaper but it's also dirt cheap quality. I recommend M3 Premium to you any day my friend.

[@PaulPanayis]

Great comparison. I went for the Saturn and the splashing you mentioned is a major issue with less viscose resin. So much so I returned the printer. Trying to decide on the alternative, so will keep these two and the uniformation gktwo in mind. Thanks again!

[@Ricardosv1]

I am expecting a comparsion between Anycubic Photon M3 Max and those ones of your vídeo

[@FauxHammer]

I asked PAnycubic but i missed the boat from when they were promoting these.

[@FauxHammer]

Please support us by using our affiliate links to buy these printers. If you keep using them, I'll keep making videos. There's no additional cost to you, but we get a kickback from any successful purchase when using these links. Buy the Mighty 8k Here: Phrozenwith our Code for 15% off “FAUXHAMMER23“: www.tkqlhce.com/click-100540162-15455799 Amazon: amzn.to/3nFFvx6 Buy the Elegoo Saturn 2 here: Elegoo - shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=2183265&u=3060349&m=104244&urllink=&afftrack= Amazon - geni.us/ElegooSaturn2 Element Games - elementgames.co.uk/paints-hobby-and-scenery/elegoo-3d-printing/elegoo-saturn-2-3d-printer?d=10279 3D Jake - www.awin1.com/cread.php?awinmid=21809&awinaffid=1131857&ued=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.3djake.uk%2Felegoo%2Fsaturn-2 Buy the Anycubic Photon M3 Premium here: Anycubic - geni.us/AnycubicM3Premium Amazon - geni.us/PhotonM3Premium 3D Jake - www.awin1.com/cread.php?awinmid=21809&awinaffid=1131857&ued=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.3djake.uk%2Fanycubic-3d-printer-and-accessories%2Fphoton-m3-premium Buy the Elegoo Saturn 8k here: Elegoo - shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=2183267&u=3060349&m=104244&urllink=&afftrack= Amazon - www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=Saturn+8k&crid=15HYHP189M5R6&sprefix=saturn+8k%2Caps%2C223&ref=nb_sb_noss_1 3D Jake - www.awin1.com/cread.php?awinmid=21809&awinaffid=1131857&ued=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.3djake.uk%2Felegoo%2Fsaturn-8k

[@zackarybrown6752]

After dealing with failing parts in my FDM printer I'm going for the highest build quality.

[@FauxHammer]

I;m standing bu the M3 for that.

[@KemalSanli1]

@@FauxHammerStill M3 is Better on build quality? I am planning to buy one but looks like discontinued. Some of sellers in my country selling premium. If it’s discontinued, should I go for phrozen?

[@egonzalezjr555]

Interesting take on the printers I would think that the mighty 8k wins in user experience if it's at similar price to the other 2. Although I do find that I might need a larger printer because I'm less into mini's (< 50mm) and more into the scale models (>=75mm). It's been hard to fit the pieces of a print on my D2.

[@FauxHammer]

oh all of these are pretty much double the D2! you won't have an issue with any of them for 75mm. but again, stick the printer in lychee or chitubox and see if your models fit.

[@onihensen]

Same here. I ended up getting an m3 max. I chopped things up to fit on the d2 plate and I do like how fast and precise it is. You’ll see the difference once you get one of the bigger ones.

[@petercallison5765]

@@onihensen How is print quality on D2 Vs M3?

[@RBPhillips36]

Why do you pour the resin onto the build plate and let it drip down into the vat? Is this the recommended way to do it?

[@FauxHammer]

just for cinematic effect

[@robertgilmore8339]

I'm a big proponent of quality construction, so my decision to go with the Anycubic Photon M3 Premium was fairly easy to make. Several things put me over the top which included Anycubic's Z-axis accuracy and their obviously premium double-threaded ball screw rod and faster printing speed. Also, the much larger resin vat, included screen protector and NFEP all contributed. What pushed me to bite the bullet and buy one was that the M3 went on sale, and continues to be on sale at a 27% discount...$469 USD! ...a price I couldn't refuse. I can live with a not quite optimal UI because the "real" positive experience I am looking for is print quality and printer longevity/reliability. Since I had none of them to compare side-by-side, your review Ross was invaluable and told me exactly what I needed to know to make an informed decision in favor of the M3.

[@svaarcaldersson6628]

It's going to be interesting seeing what you say. I tried to replace my mighty 8k with 2 of them, but kept coming back to the mighty 8k.

[@FauxHammer]

I don't think I'll say anything that shocks anyone.

[@FarmerJim]

I've been enjoying the uniformation GKTwo. It's a huge upgrade from my Mars 2 Pro. Have you had a review on it?

[@TheBuefurd]

You may want to take a look at the SDS for those resins. Even with the carbon filters, you don't want to be working all day in the same room as active printers, unless of course you have appropriate ventilation/fume extraction.

[@FauxHammer]

Yeah, I have extraction and 2 air ikea filters with active carbon panels

[@TheBuefurd]

@FauxHammer Glad to hear it! I see a lot of safety issues with 3D printing on the web so I try to inform where I can.

[@markburgess4528]

Hmm! Interesting video. Me? I just got a Saturn 8k and love it. Why? Because it was the cheapest. I felt I didn't need the extra few cms of verticle print height of Saturn 2 for an extra £100. I think the Phrozen is overpriced. OK. It has a nice user interface but are we being a it like Magpies here? Shiny shiny, must have. Camera is a bit of a gimick I feel. Plus it appears to be difficult to get here in the UK at the moment. Don't want to to pay import fees on top of the high price. I think the Anycubic is a bit bulky looking compared to the others but again it's £200 more than the 8K but I am sure it's a great printer. And after all we don't sit looking at our printers thinking how pretty it is. Basically they all print to the same fantastic quality. So why pay more for something that does the same job. As for screws coming loose on the leveling systems, why not use a bit of removable thread locking compound. I found on one of my small printers with the four screws, when I tightened them it always lifted one side slightly but it was a cheaper printer. Anyway, that's my pennies worth. Cheers!

[@FauxHammer]

Yep, everything you’ve said here echoes my own thoughts. Yep, you can take steps to fix the levelling mechanism, but should we have to? Does it really cost that much more to make a better fishing mechanism? 🤷‍♂️ no idea. But if you chose what you feel is best for you, and if these videos helped in any way to do that, then we can both walk away happy!

[@vlogfuji]

Excuse my side comment. I recently bought a Saturn 8K for the same reason you did. I also use the Mars 3Pro and like both printers very well. I didn't need the Z-axis height and the price was cheaper than the Saturn 2 so it was just right for me. I also saw the Saturn 2 and Saturn 8K in the verification, but the print quality I was looking for was good enough for the Saturn 8K. And Mars 3Pro is amazingly good too.😀

[@FauxHammer]

@@vlogfuji yeah they are both great printers, nothing much wrong with either of them

[@vlogfuji]

@@FauxHammer I really appreciate your validation video. Thank you for everything!

[@drune6212]

I was hoping you would do this one

[@FauxHammer]

one is glad to be of service.

[@kylestone3304]

I’ve had an anycubic and really liked it for the most part, other than the UI. Seeing and hearing about the better UI experience with the Mighty, I might make that the next one I pick up. Good video with solid info, Ross. Thank you.

[@FauxHammer]

I'm glad you found it helpful. keep an eye out for the upcoming GKTWo Review.

[@iivasquez14ii74]

Hello!! I hope you could help me, I do wanna buy a printer, I have 2 possible printers to buy, I hope you could help me, one is the Phrozen mini 8Ks and the other is the Saturn 3 ultra, which one should I buy!?

[@GarryWButler]

Thanks for the detailed comparison. And yes, it was Saturn 2. I already have elegoo brand loyalty; I have had a Mars 2 Pro since its release, and a Neptune 2S FDM Printer. Elegoo's support has been good, and the printers have been reliable.

[@FauxHammer]

Elegoo support is awesome!

[@red-tailangelspitfire3075]

same here

[@solarrage11]

The wolverine on the left didn't have the layer lines on the head and no hole. Which printer was that?

[@FauxHammer]

At what point in the video?

[@solarrage11]

​@FauxHammer 16:17 mark on close up with the 3 wolverines. Looking at the tops of the heads. Right one has noticeable layer lines, middle has a hole and left looks the best.

[@alanday5255]

DUDE WAY TOO MUCH FILLER making it confusing.

[@outscale_monarch4300]

I know is 2 months old and may not get a response but does anyone know if the M3 Premium will come back in stock? I went to buy it a few days ago and it went out of stock and I can’t find one now. Do resin printers ever get remade or once they are all out they are done with that one?

[@FauxHammer]

I heard it was end of life as they replace the M3 series with M5

[@outscale_monarch4300]

@@FauxHammer oh shoot! Thank you for the reply! Have some concerned with the auto leveling on the M5s so may continue to wait for one to come along that catches my eye!

[@FauxHammer]

@@outscale_monarch4300 fair enough, having tested the M5s I can say in my experience the levelling works well. I am hoping for an M5 premium however

[@outscale_monarch4300]

@@FauxHammer that would be perfect! Thank you again for responding!

[@TalkingGIJoe]

except in women... heavier is NOT better...

[@sith24773]

My Mighty 8K (12k as of today) has been a dream.

[@justin200428]

Can resin tanks been replace by each other ? Thanks........

[@l.l1024]

can you review the "Emake3d Galaxy 1" since Phrozen stoped making the MEGA 8k ?

[@FauxHammer]

If someone could reach out to them and suggest they should contact me o review their printer. sure. But I'm wondering why have Phrozen stopped making the Mega 8k?

[@nationalmaverick]

Nigh means Near. I believe you meant Moot.

[@The13and37]

for the 06:50 problem I reccomend a 90 Degree Left Right Angled USB 3.0 A Male To Female Connector Adapter that thing sticks out far less

[@gamingwithsparton]

Just bought the Saturn 8k for $260 for cyber Monday, I feel like it’s very hard to beat that price for what you get, especially with the Mighty 8k being over double that price

[@VinceCollier]

Why do people pour over the top of the plate and not straight into the vat?

[@henriklagercrantz]

After using the mars3 pro and having to change the lcd 3(!) times because of the Build plate crushing it while my Anycubic M3 has been printing flawlessly since I bought it, Im considering only Anycubic from now on. A good build quality is so important. Reliable printer that can print without fail is my choice.

[@CelticpredGaming]

After tightening my 2 bolt mars 3 pro I have not have to relevel for months now.

[@FauxHammer]

Yeah it’s nit too bad in the Mars, but the build plate is much smaller. More force in these bigger plates

[@grim3897]

maybe you should have noted the "insert weird lens name here" in the Saturn2, I think it is a good selling point for those who look for precision and reduced "light bleeding". It might not impact prints a lot, but it's always good to know =)

[@FauxHammer]

I know, i was intending to but I would assume they all have something like this to a degree in order to ensure light uniformity. Since they all have the same print results.

[@dylson77]

I bought M3 Premium only because of your earlier video about M3 and I'm more than happy! Thanks

[@S.A.S.H.]

Exactly the comparison I've been hoping for. Thanks.

[@FauxHammer]

Thanks fir watching

[@madorart]

Will you try the Halot Mage 8k creature? I don't see many reviews on youtube and I would like to know if it is a good printer, because I am between that and the saturn 8k

[@alanpreston1822]

I leveled my Mars3Pro after every failed print with one resin...tried exposure levels and still had failures. I haven't leveled my MarsPro in 8 months since switching to Siraya Tech Simple. I even ignored the printer for 3 months, came back, stirred the vat and printed without fail. I think your problems with the levelling is likely related to initiation layer, and less likely related to losing your level. Once I locked mine down 8 months ago, it hasn't moved.

[@granthlevy]

Making me wish I didn’t get the Saturn 2. I only get it originally because multiple websites at the time told me it was the best for miniature printing

[@FauxHammer]

Many websites never touch the printers and rank them by popularity in amazon just to get a sale. But the Saturn 2 is still a good printer.

[@jeffreyvansteenberg5351]

So badly want the M3, but have yet to take the plunge. Seems like every time I say I'm gonna buy, it's out of stock in the US and I use that as an excuse to wait longer.

[@phreshxmetal]

just placed an order for a M3 Premium last week and got an email a few days later that the printer is being discontinued and will not be restocked...

[@FauxHammer]

What! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! It's their best printer!

[@ep1kone]

They were on sale and still the Saturn 2.

[@xXKisskerXx]

I love how you say to comment and tell you which one we picked, and why it was the Saturn 2 - and we all know why for the most part - it's the cheapest, and most of us are 'getting into resin' printing, not doing it as a pro level yet. But my reason I would pick it... is because I like the colors. Yup. I just do. Red Black and Silver just jam with me, it's not for everyone, but they bring me joy, so whenever possible, I try to pick them, unless there is a significant drop in performance, or value, or something on that line that would put my money best used elsewhere, even if it was more expensive, and not 'my favorite colors'.

[@aleksandera75]

Elegoo Saturn 3 Ultra - 12K? Can you do a review on that? Thank you!

[@FauxHammer]

Saturn 3 video is out on Tuesday

[@FlesHBoX]

After owning it for a couple weeks now, I can say 100% that I am entirely happy with my Saturn 2. Are there parts about it that I would have preferred one of the other options? Sure. I'd love it if it weren't always running the fan. I'd love to have the beefy build quality of the Anycubic, and while the UI is perfectly fine for me, I would prefer the orange lid from the Phrozen, lol.

[@FauxHammer]

Someone commented on one of my posts that you can bet some g-code that will disable the fan when it’s not printing, I’ve not looked into it. But I’m glad you are happy with your choice

[@FlesHBoX]

@@FauxHammer Ahh, good to know. I'll have to see if I can find it :)

[@edb145]

​@@FlesHBoXI disabled fan on my Saturn. Yes, gcod3 works, but I can't remember how exectly I did it 😂

[@Bunyip_Studios]

curious, why do you pour resin on top of the build plate and not directly into the vat?

[@Oozaru85]

Because it looks sexier that way. He's probs doing this in his videos only.

[@FauxHammer]

yep, what @Oozaru85 said. I guess it's become my version of Salt Bae

[@Oozaru85]

@@FauxHammer 😁

[@markburgess4528]

@@FauxHammer At least your not sprinkling salt onto peoples food via your sweaty forearm 🤣

[@mtncrzr1449]

I bought the Anycubic M3 Premium based on your review.

[@BuckyMF]

Faux what are your thoughts on the ANYCUBIC Photon M3 Max?

[@ignition8047]

Hmm, I just want to print my firend's dnd minis to paint. Do I need a printer this big?

[@FauxHammer]

Need? No. Want…. Yeah, you’ll be thankful

[@f8keuser]

I own a Saturn 2 and there are air vents on the sides so its not wise to block those vents if you wish for your printer to last. Besides leveling the build plate for the first time I never had issues with the build plate coming loose, so it could be two thing, 1) applying to much force when holding the build plate when removing a print or, 2) not tightening the bolts correctly and or hard enough. I bought a flex plate so now once I level the build plate I never have to touch it again providing I did it correctly the first time. Edit: The USB port is on the side so it prevents you from accidently hitting it and risk not only damaging the usb but also the usb port itself. Edit 2: I don't understand why a 3d printer needs a camera imo, like yeah it might be useful to see if the vat needs to be refilled but lets be honest, when 3d printing long prints you'll be either awake or asleep so you'll either check on the resin level every hour or so or have a automated refill system in place if you run a resin print over night, so I believe having a camera is a pointless feature that only drives up the price. I also believe a basic and easy layout and easy to understand UI for a printer is most important, the entire point of a printer is to print things and not a over engineered UI that would be harder to navigate and understand. The Saturn 2 has all that you'll need in regards to UI, print, LCD/UV test option, viewing 3d renders of what you want to print, bed leveling and manual lift and lower bed. Anyone is free to view what they think is right but 3d resin printers can only get so good before these company's start adding needless features just to jack up prices.. last thing we need is to be able to game on our 3d resin printers lmao.

[@alizainuddin4132]

Thanks this piece of content is well put together and it's insightful!

[@javierortiz7234]

Best video on this topic

[@hi-side29]

@16:22 which printers is use for the 1st two going from left to right

[@PhuVet]

8k printers for less than $55 is awesome. Not sure of the exact exchange rate but even if i had to pay the weird taxes from the island of mishaped toys. The 24 pounds you say the saturn costs is awesome. I dont mind a few extra pounds as long as its cheaper than $100

[@isaacmiller8126]

Thanks mate!

[@Gregatron13]

I'm looking at pretty much everything except print quality, since I'm sure they're all very similar. My biggest question is whether DLP is more important than resolution for printing masters for resin. molds.

[@FauxHammer]

DLP printers are sharper and more accurate but because if this you get a tougher surface texture. But we are ally are splitting hairs at this point.

[@mikedunning265]

Great review

[@Starganderfish]

Interested to hear how these three stack up to the Unifomration GKTwo. Seen a LOT of positive reviews about those floating around, but I'm not sure how far to trust those reviews Seems like every KZbinr even slightly into resin printing was sent a free machine and a LOT of them are unwilling to be critical because of the freebies. How do you think the GK2 stacks up? Any concerns with Uniformations build quality? Gaps in the lid, weakness in the hinge etc?

[@FauxHammer]

If you watch my GK TWO video you will see me loving that over these. At least I hope I made that clear. I wanted this video to be my BIG video that everyone used. but then the Uniformation came out and pretty much shat all over these in terms of features. But not everyone can afford that. So the Saturn 2 would be the budget conscious choice for similar quality with slightly less convenience. As for why you can trust me. well the problem is, nobody is watching my reviews about bad printers! I've done enough of them

[@patrickheldt9488]

What are the models you show with what look like rotor cannons at 12:59?

[@donnell9238]

Thank you.

[@krisrothfuss2550]

pause @16:21 look at the right side wolverine forehead, it has some "o-rings" dont know what its called , which printer did this print?. Id say this is a bad quality print? correct me if im wrong. Btw Great Vid!!!

[@FauxHammer]

It’s just lighting in the particular resin colour. Thy all have it because none of these prints are using antiailiasing.

[@placidbeach]

I was using a creality l d 006 and happy with that until I accidentally let resin sit on the big LCD screen under the vat due to an unknown puncture in the plastic and ruined it, and found out there are none in stock and besides, now this originally $800+ printer sells for $200 new. So some people starting out might want to grab one just to play with and have a super nice little printer for sure, until something breaks, but it's clear they aren't supporting it and just phasing them out. So now I can buy an M3 for $480 to upgrade from that creality machine, to a higher resolution and bigger tank and a newer generation printer. It's worth it for me. I do engineering prints so I think rigidity is key, so I opted for the heavier M3 build to give better dimensional tolerances when I'm trying to print things to fit within a couple thousandths. And with the creality when I tried to fill up the whole plate with models, sometimes it would slip gears inside, you could hear it grind when it couldn't lift the plate up. Because the bottom layers have more seconds required like 10. Maybe I should have only been doing two or three? Because my other layers were all 1.5 seconds or so. So I really like this M3 bigger stronger ballscrew as well as the comments about holding of the plate strongly. Thank you so much for the good info in this video!

[@FauxHammer]

Typically your base layer exposure time is around 10x normal if that helps

[@catnamestaken]

Interesting

[@warm1ke304]

Faux, please, give a try to The Uniformation GKTwo, that printer makes every each one of this video cheap and underdeveloped . Mighty is The only one competing with it for user experience. But imho in a month of use, The GkTwo is of another galaxy

[@FauxHammer]

Lol, You are literally spoiling my next video. I’ve had it printing for just over 24 hours and I will say, I’m impressed so far… It’s pricey, but they and me at heated chamber. And I’ve reduced exposure times by 50% when compared ti what I showed in this vid. Also, I will be running a competition to give 3 of these away! 😉🤫

[@uglyduckling81]

The resolution is the same effectively so not much point in looking at that. I wonder about the extra build quality of the z axis on the Premium model. If it is more stable and less wobbly your probably going to get less layer artifacts. You would probably need to print 100 of the same model on each printer and then look at the consistency of the prints. Does that extra quality actually give a meaningful benefit. I'd argue layer lines and layer shifts are the worst thing in a print. All the AA and blurring in the world won't fix a layer line or a shift. Often you can see in these youtube videos where the reviewer is gushing over the pixel density and quality of the print, whilst there is a layer shift he makes no mention of. Something for which I would bin the print and redo it. Is the Z screw stepper motor a high quality brand? If not it might have some shitty components giving slightly worse z movement accuracy. Again affecting those layer lines.

[@FauxHammer]

Honestly I've not had to issues enough to comment but yeah id bin a print because if layers shifts too. In fact I binned 2 today bit they were both caused by my bad supports.

[@InnuendoOutTheOther]

Hurdur price point, elegoo... It's the elegoo, but because 1) I know if anything goes wrong their customer support is the best 2) I live in Aus and don't want to deal with scrambling to source expensive parts overseas

[@FauxHammer]

Hurdur Price point?

[@kgftw]

I am swapping from an Ender 3v2 to an Elegoo Saturn 8k. I managed to get the printer, wash and cure station for just under $615. My reason for getting it is I make a lot of smaller parts that need a lot of detail and printing each part normally takes around 50 minutes on my ended 3v2. Because of this I don't need a giant vat. I am currently printing 5 of the same parts for a calibration test on the Elegoo Saturn 8k.

[@FauxHammer]

Nice!!!

[@Zillawill]

Fauxhammer can I ask when you print at 30 microns or below with these printers do you use any AA in Lychee? I've been printing at 30um on my Saturn 2 and its awesome, but I have noticed in few areas some lines on hard flat areas in particular, I did try printing at the angle a website suggested for my printer + layer height, but that didn't seem to do anything really, so was thinking AA is my next step?

[@FauxHammer]

not specificaly, to remain fair all my video content is without AA. but i;ve found most printers are good with 2x AA and 2x image blure and minis have next to 0 lines.

[@cjlladoc9601]

Great video. I’m about to start university majoring in architecture and will be buying a 3d printer soon. Should I get the anycubic m3 max or elegoo saturn 8k?

[@FauxHammer]

Depends what you want, m3 max is bigger. So if you need bit stuff hetvghat. Both are high quality for that scale

[@luizimposimato3758]

Thanks for the video, super helpful. Just a quick one: Any reasons why you didin't add the GKTwo to this video? I know you said at the end that they're quite similar with some particularities, but is GKTwo bellow them?

[@FauxHammer]

Wasn't included fir 2 reasons. ONE, it's not a 10” 28.5 Micron Printer, it's a 10.3” 29 Micron printer. TWO I only started using it last week. And no, it's not below, it's better than all of these and my video coming soon will say that. In fact, it's my current number 1 pick See here www.fauxhammer.com/top-10/the-best-3d-printer-for-miniatures-models/

[@meeple4hire103]

How is the anycubic hd resin? Why do you pour resin on top of the build plate? What’s the best resin for miniatures? Can you rescue brittle resin by mixing with another resin, and if so, how do you do it properly to get it blended consistently? Thanks for your videos.

[@petercallison5765]

Adding around 10% of flexible resin will work.

[@P3_G]

Ggs

[@timboyle3114]

For me - sitting on the fence, wanting to buy but never quite doign it. I really like to look and feel you showed of the Phrozone, but being the most expensive and not having the screen protector is just a BIG no for me.. I am bound to spill resin on the screen verry quickly. Also the wasted resorces on that camera - why! Was seriously looking at the elegoo, but this now has me seriously considerign the M3. As we write today - The M3 is cheeper on Amazon than the Saturn2. so that migth be the deciding factor. Although saying that for a first printer I will probably go for the Mar3 pro so I can practice and learn ,and fail with somehting for half the price!

[@FauxHammer]

If the M3 “Premium” (not the normal M3) is cheaper than the Saturn 2, buy it!

[@LifesDesign]

I’m new to 3d printing. I bought a second hand any cubic which was fab. But I’d love to try any of the newer ones. My son would like to to dioramas printing cyberpunk and sci-fi models. Awesome video thanks.

[@FauxHammer]

That is awesome! I have a penchant for Cyberpunk stuff too!

[@Aphaedon]

Just took delivery of my Saturn 2 and some resin thanks in large part to the information you have posted. just need to wait for the mercury SC wash and cure stations to become available again.

[@FauxHammer]

Thanks so much, please check my vid from last week if you want a super easy guide to set up and get it working

[@cwtjones]

Sadly the printers are usually priced above rrp in my country. 😅

[@FauxHammer]

Ooof sorry

[@samualwilliamson1187]

I'd love it if you would do a comparison for printing dice, since there are a lot of people that like to print their own, or print masters for resin casting.

[@jamUSA24]

Thank you. I’m on the market for a new printer and these three were the first on the list. I’m also looking at the UniFormation GKtwo.

[@FauxHammer]

Uniformation GKTwo if you can afford it, easy choice

[@jamesdarker9158]

Would love to print an army of death korps of krieg, too expensive currently to build one via GW 😅

[@FauxHammer]

Well, i would never condone printing of GW models. but... RedMakers has some excellent Proxies for Heretic Death Division Soldiers

[@Darker1208]

picked Saturn 2 and wish I hadn't

[@IlSharmouta]

Kicking myself for not seeing this video literally 2 days ago when I was looking for, well, exactly this video, to help me buy a new printer. Well done and informative

[@FauxHammer]

Thanks kindly, if you buy a printer. Stop looking at reviews because they are out of date a day later right now

[@xrys749]

i am a noobie and want some advice. New to 3d printing, have an ankermake and do mostly utility prints for family and stuff. I just started playing dnd and was thinking of eventually dming, was thinking about printing minitures for that and such. Maybe make terrain map squares. What printer should you recommend. Was thinking the Saturn2 just for the cost of it all and its larger build size and the non-lcd screen compared to mars 3 pro so I don't have to replace the light source as often. I can always hybrid print certain parts between the ankermake and a resin printer but want everyone's thoughts.

[@FauxHammer]

if you are looking at resin printing and it's your first, go with cheaper. for what you are doing, terrain pieces and the like. The larger build plate will be your friend, but it still has an LCD like the Masr 3 Pro, it;s just larger.

[@ronaldgrupstra8982]

i have chosen the phrozen sonic 8k mini. and yess i know that one is not featured is this video :P ordered mine literally 10 minutes ago :)

[@FauxHammer]

You made the right call for you! So long as you have done that, you'll be happy!

[@michaelschutt9703]

thanks for the input I chose the m3 for build quality and deep resivour

[@FauxHammer]

M3 premium right?

[@onihensen]

My issue with my max is the auto feed stopped working after the third time using it. Not sure what’s going on but we’ll see if I can get it up and running again.

[@FauxHammer]

I wish I had a Max to try but my relationship with Anycubic is still new.

[@ThisIsSparta300]

I’ll take the m3 for the bigger Vat

[@M4ttNet]

I can say that already I'm loving the wifi file transfer on the Might 8k. So nice not to have to fuss with usb drives. Certainly not the biggest and most important feature, but little things like that add up over time.

[@FauxHammer]

Agreed, such a useful veature

[@Новости-з3й]

Annoying and useless music !

[@FauxHammer]

ok, thanks.

[@wyntrv4020]

thanks for posting. i just ordered my first printer as a mighty 8k last week and im loading up on content

[@FauxHammer]

Best of luck! It's an awesome printer, - what a place to start.

[@mikasivula654]

I've upgraded the M3 premium FW to the wifi-enabling one -what I would have wanted was a PC connectivity and direct upload via WiFi but it is only for a cell app.. the app has downloadable models and presliced ones but haven't tested them. Well at least I can see where the prints are at with it..

[@FauxHammer]

I have the same with the Creality Ender 5, I’m underwhelmed with the feature. So I won’t be rushing to update my M3. Like they say, if it’s not broke, don’t fix it.

[@Blake2501]

Great Video, well done, interesting to see the comparison

[@GreySectoid]

This was an excellent review for me since I am shopping for my first resin printer and don't yet fully know what to look for.

[@FauxHammer]

make sure you check out my GKTwo video too!

[@turbosnowy]

Great video, thanks for that - I was going to go for a Saturn 2, but now don't know which I'll go for - now I have more alternative options to check out, which should keep me occupied for a bit.

[@FauxHammer]

Get the Uniformation GKTWO - video coming soon bit.ly/GKtwo

[@josshhyboy]

even with carbon filters, will you still need to wear a mask for the fumes or does it purify the air?

[@FauxHammer]

I don’t know enough about the health impacts of resin, though I really should. But I don’t notice a smell using these if that is any indicator

[@dack4545]

Figurines get painted so not any need for ultra definition any way

[@FauxHammer]

Depends how well you paint yo be honest

[@stltrekmodels.4157]

I am using an M3 for simple things, but I am using an M3 Max (7K) for some large chess pieces, and Star Trek models. The one thing that I find atractive about Phrozen is the LCD screens are supposed to have a 10,000 hour lifespan as compared to the SLA/LCD screens that are rated at 2000 hours. The M3 Max replacement screen is 220 USD. The M3 premium screen is 140 USD. The screen for the Phrozen Mighty 8K is 140, and frankly looks exactly like the screen that goes in the M3 Premium in the picture. The Mighty 8K is 650 USD. at the moment with 2 bottles of Grey 8K 1Litter, so those are 80 dollars value if you like and or prefer that resin. I have not tried it yet as I have been testing Anycubic ABS like resins with my model and chess pieces. The M3 Premium is 470 USD. at the moment with no per-se free resin. So if you bought the equivalent resin it would be 550, lets say and 100 dollars cheaper. That is now as stated in the video they have different sales, so I guess the prudent buyer saves their money and waits for Black Friday, Cyber Monday, and or Christmas, Easter, ECT. The things that I am printing though are large scale, and I have been looking at the Mega 8K, and or I almost bought a used Transform, but I found that it really didn't print much larger than my M3 Max. I also recently found out that the max prints at 7K which is basically fine for the Star Trek ship models that I am designing and printing. kzbin.info/www/bejne/noSpnHqpo7KAqbs The bad things I have heard about the Mega 8K so far is the build plate is supposed to be a bitch to get the models off of. The holes in the plate are to prevent it from creating suction with the resin, but I think it makes a problem with the resin now wanting to let go of it. IDK, but I do not wish to spend 2100 dollars Plus to have issues. I want to print large for some of the models that I am making and that means money in resin cost. I just printed a Bishop for a 4 inch square space Chess Set and it is 13cm tall with 7cm diameter at the base and solid, so about 4 to 5 dollars of resin. The large model pieces for the Star Trek models can be from 2 to 8 dollars apiece so yea, I hate it if it fails for any reason. Thats part of R&D though. I really wish that they would come out with an 8K LCD machine that has the build area of the M3 Max, but until they do the alternatives are the M3 Max SLA at 7K, or the Mega 8K and figure out the build plate issue. Any advice or opinion would be appreciated.

[@FauxHammer]

I’ve not read anywhere that Phrozen screens last 10,000 hours. Are you sure about this?

[@stltrekmodels.4157]

@@FauxHammer This is what Phrozen claims in the News Letter articles. I will look it up and screen shot it. I have always hated the difference between truth, and sales pitch points. I am somewhat happy with the M3 Max, but am curious with the Mega Max I am designing things like a 1/200 scale model of the Enterprise from the original series, and the fewer pieces that I can make it in makes me happier, unless I can just get the pieces to go together so nut tight and strait that it wouldn't matter. I have been comparing the 2 on YT, and with both newsletters for a while now. I am glad that You have this channel and are doing these comparisons. I have had some issues with some of my prints but I think it has more to do with the slicers, and or the Blender program than the machine itself. I also just had resin leak from the bottom of my vat on my Max, and Thank God for the screen protector as it cured resin in between the screen protector and the FEP film bottom of the vat. I have another vat and 5 more sheets of FEP film. I just ordered some screen protectors, so I have to wait until they show up to print again. I will find the article that claims the 10k hours as it was one of the big claims that got me looking at the Phrozen line along with the Mega 8K machine. They also claim that their LCD screens shoot the light beams straighter than SLA machines, so I don't know if that includes these 8K machines from Anycubic, or Saturn, or again if it is just sales BS.

[@d-not-u]

Saturn 🪐 2 is the winner 🎉

[@FauxHammer]

If that's what you're after

[@jamessoutar4354]

Nice comparison, or lack thereof. Good to know that each offers something, price, build quality or best UI

[@FauxHammer]

yep. almost 25 minutes just to tell you that they all do the same thing... but hopefully people learned things along the way. and at least the view was justified.

[@chriskillian9033]

What about the 12k upgrade for the Mighty?

[@FauxHammer]

Umm, this video came out months before any of those 12k printers were announced

[@chriskillian9033]

@@FauxHammer Are you going to do a video for it? Just wondering as I've already purchased it. Sorry my timeline is a little off these days. Going through divorce can do that to a man.

[@jollytabletop]

Nice video. I'd love a resin. Stuck with my ender 3 for now. 🤞

[@FauxHammer]

They are so good if you want detailed prints