Just Released! EG4 12Kpv: 8,000W 120/240V Hybrid Inverter w/ 136A Surge?!

[@WillProwse]

If you know an inductive load that can hit 136A or more, comment it down below for next video! EG4 12Kpv (affiliate link): signaturesolar.com/eg4-12kpv-hybrid-inverter-48v-12000w-input-8000w-output-120-240v-split-phase-rsd-all-in-one-hybrid-solar-inverter-pre-order/?ref=cPwLcVc0SW-BjN EG4 18Kpv: signaturesolar.com/eg4-18kpv-hybrid-inverter-all-in-one-solar-inverter-eg4-18kpv-12lv/?ref=cPwLcVc0SW-BjN EG4 6000XP: signaturesolar.com/eg4-6000xp-off-grid-inverter-split-phase/?ref=cPwLcVc0SW-BjN 0:00 Mounting 0:36 Intro and Setup 7:01 Fun Testing! Surge Capacity w/ Air Compressors and Car Lift 11:38 What Should You Buy? 6000XP VS 12Kpv VS 18Kpv

[@ThunderChicken1]

Also I contacted signature solar to put me a complete system together using the 18K and two EG4 batteries with all components needed. And I still haven't heard back from them.

[@ualdayan]

Signature Solar also has the 18K refurbished for $3699 - I would assume (but might be wrong) that somebody could click any of your links above so you still get the referral credit and then go over and order the 18K refurbished one instead. They say it's fully functional with a 2 year warranty so that's probably the route I'd go.

[@Nicedesk]

My diy garage ore smelter may hit 136A haha

[@FauxQue-yk8dt]

Some large commercial AC units draw over 200A

[@66bigbuds]

Welder

[@zmarko]

I'm here for Will watching his old videos for reference, just like I do with his videos. Lol.

[@PaulPaid]

Yeah.. why do the same homework twice?

[@shawnduffy279]

I have some of his videos on a playlist for YT that is for a future house build. A KB resource if you will, just for this purpose. 😆

[@dr650dude]

i cant believe i started watching you when you were in the camper...well done sir.

[@Chris-os8fv]

Same

[@BlkFireHawk427]

I could be having the Worst day, then I get the biggest smile when I watch your videos! Thanks, Will!

[@ledbea]

for someone who I think has seen in all in regards to solar power, I loved seeing him like a kid on christmas when he had everything going at once. I didn't think 4 compressors and a car lift were the thing dreams were made of

[@mycabinlife1291]

Exactly! Like a little kid at christmas! I loved it!

[@msromike123]

You came a long way guy. I'm just thinking back about your hand tools7 years ago (among other things.). Happy for you man.

[@SuperWhizy]

Will watching Will's video is straight out of Spaceballs.

[@suntz8736]

That gave me a good laugh.

[@TheColinputer]

My biggest take away from this video. Save $1000ish on the 12K over the 18K. But then spend that $1000ish on air compressors. Thanks for the advise Will

[@mycabinlife1291]

Only if you have enough batteries lol

[@JohnBaker3000]

I don't feel so bad anymore. Even Will has to refer to Will's videos from time to time!

[@esmaponda]

😂😂😂😂

[@johnhufnagel]

when you're so good at what you do, you're your own SME.

[@Mark1Wagner]

I’m an old dog learning new tricks. Newly retired software engineer who needs something to keep my mind active. I’m a new subscriber and thank you for the gold mine of information you provide here. Love it!

[@Camstercage]

Man, it’s great to see how much your channel has grown. Keep up the good work.

[@VinceBadovinatz88]

I was glad to hear about the Farrell's on the PV wire ends going into the inverter. I'll definitely remember that

[@PrezenceMusic33]

thats insane that it ran the 4 compressors and the car lift at the same time. your reaction was awesome

[@mattwalker534]

When you get confused so you watch your own how-to video😂

[@mycabinlife1291]

At least he knew right where to go to find the information! LOL I laughed at that part too....

[@pvbatts]

Why not just crack open a Sol-Ark 12K manual? What a rip off.

[@Katyas-Korner]

Right at 2:26. Delightful.

[@nate2807]

It's great just seeing how much fun you have with doing what you do. I tend to smile along with you while watching. And if that sort of passion is just acting, you also deserve an Emmy! Thanks again.

[@christopherguy1217]

I was looking at the 18Kpv just for the well pump surge capacity, now I see the 12Kpv is enough. I'll also need fewer parallel batteries to get the amperage for continuous use. Thanks for the video.

[@niffrig]

Interesting development. It is closing in on the SRNE 8 kW and 10 kW. Better quality and support for slightly more money.

[@nunyabusiness1499]

Is it? Really nice unit but $3.5k for an 8k inverter vs two SGP 10k units (20k) for $3,380.

[@johns6119]

I love my 18k, this educational videos are so good for the community

[@WillProwse]

18k is such a beast

[@XxTWMLxX]

I have an 18k running my whole home with a 200a service. Rarely ever touch the service anymore. 2 batteries and 12kw of solar on it currently. adding another array soon. Putting me to around 16kw of solar. Hardest part was getting gov permission and permits to pull my meter for the work. The actual install is dead simple.

[@VinceBadovinatz88]

​@WillProwse I've had my 18 KPV for almost 6 months now, and I've never hooked it up. I hope and pray that I can get started on it sometime soon. I have a little compound that I've been using one LV 6548 sun gold model for about a year now or more and I haven't really needed the 18 KPv that's why I haven't hooked it up I guess that plus laziness.. I hope ing to be able to wire it properly. I'm still not totally understanding all the wiring so well. Thanks for the videos. I'll definitely be going over them again when I finally get that thing going. I'm going to have six server rack batteries. I'm wondering if I'm going to need to have battery communication. When I start working on it, I'll ask a couple of questions on one of the videos and maybe one of the group to answer them or yourself if you end up seeing it by chance. Welp, thanks for listening😊😊

[@kcjay8171]

hi john how much did the setup cost you to install

[@RicoCantrell]

Downloading this video to have it forever. Good info and this looks like the perfect unit for my garage area.

[@VinceBadovinatz88]

I know what a great unit. Of course they came out with an after I bought the 18KPV I've never hooked up. It's been sitting for 6 months. Very bad thing to do if for some reason it doesn't work properly. Might mess with my warranty if I needed it Hopefully that won't happen I better get started on it soon though. I'm pretty sure I could have got by with this unit instead of the 18KpV and saved a few bucks... But I have The good one at least 🎉

[@rfphill]

If I could start over in my career, I would have gone the electricity route. It's all so over my head. Makes my head hurt trying to imagine diy'ing my own solar here at home. Fascinating stuff. Love all your vids.

[@mycabinlife1291]

Start small. Baby steps. Cash is king.

[@rfphill]

@@mycabinlife1291 that is my intent to pay in cash, and build up to it.

[@VinceBadovinatz88]

I totally agree. All the wiring is so over my head as well. I do have a small system going so at least I got a start.

[@LithiumSolar]

"you're only saving $1300 or something" like it's pocket change. LOL. Love the multi air compressor testing setup, genius idea!

[@WillProwse]

You should set some up! They work so well for testing surge. Super fun Which one would you buy haha that transfer switch is a deal for the price on 18k

[@johncarr123]

@@WillProwse Looks like the 18K is the way to go

[@alvinhyman6838]

Okay, I enjoy seeing your reactions when something greatly supercedes your expectations. I want to see the unedited edition!? Because your go to heat gun and car lift actually let you down by working! lol Keep the video flowing

[@Keifsanderson]

Really appreciate the effort you're putting in on these inductive loads.

[@bradmesserle999]

This test is hilarious. This is very interesting. Great video

[@SihAza]

Will is like your buddy from college explaining things in his garage, excited by the latest tech toy. I like the hinges and latch on the wiring cover. Hate that my 6000XP uses 6 small screws on its cover.

[@XxTWMLxX]

I furreled my battery cables to my 18k. The solar its a MUST. But it really helps get those large fine strand cables fully in to the battery lugs. The AC cables do not need furrels as they are large strand rigid cables

[@redsquirrelftw]

I like how you went out to buy 4 big compressors for this test lol. That is quite impressive that it will run all those starting at same time.

[@Electronzap]

Very cool. Looks like they are pretty close to perfecting home energy storage batteries.

[@stiffmeister0hYeah]

agreed.

[@OCDlosp]

Bro i was looking for your recommendation on 12v batteries and I did not know how to find you. I searched plantar faciitis on youtube and i remember your name is will. but there is a channel called ally mendoza with all your old foot videos, i love you and God loves you. and im still wearing zero drop shoes from lems

[@brucemccreary769]

Great review and test. One test parameter of interest for off grid applications would also be the idle current draw of the inverter. It's another factor in the inverter size choice. I wish you could add that on the notes for this review.

[@WillProwse]

Dang it I forgot!!

[@jefferyshall]

You KNOW your videos are good when you go back to reference your own video for information!!! : )

[@VinceBadovinatz88]

Ikr

[@mycabinlife1291]

I love watching your videos and seeing your enthusiasm, excitement and surprise lol I doubt I will ever need this system and I really don't understand much of it but I am trying to learn. Thank you for a great video especially the part where you looked up your own video LOL

[@terrysystems]

That's a really impressive collection of air compressors. You know, admitting you have a problem is the first step....

[@Sparkeee1978]

3 of those 12K units would be pretty sweet for getting quality three phase power in a workshop, where single phase is the only option from utility.

[@ejennings98]

Very impressive, thanks for spending the $$ to perform these tests to confirm the capacity.

[@mariusverwey2125]

No matter what tools I have...your tools are bigger better than mine.

[@SmitHVAC.]

Wow, what a beast! I just started playing with the 6000xp and I thought that was impressive..

[@enricopallazzo3244]

I just got mine running. Kind of wish I waited for this as the 18k was a little overkill for my purposes. Good luck!

[@vevenaneathna]

sometimes you get stuff wrong in your videos but usually the very next video you always correct yourself. most people get to your age and stop learning and just get defensive. thanks for uploading.

[@jerryfaircloth]

12K total AC was not quite enough for my needs but two of these 12K's which give me 16K AC looks like the perfect setup. That way I have some redundancy if one unit were to fail although with half the output. Very nice unit from EG4 and Will of course nailed the review.

[@turtle1723]

You also get another PV input, 24kpv vs 18kpv. 2 18k would be too much for me, but 2 12k just right.

[@milliondollar2981]

CANT‼️,,Stop🛑,,watching these Videos,,,,I am really geting Smart😎

[@JbVest]

Wow man! Great test, had no idea they came out with this inverter! I'm on the 6K now I wish I would have saved for this one lol

[@j4k3br4k3]

Love this 12k, i think its the right balance of cost/performance/features/durability. Love the pricepoint and size of the 6k but the durability makes it a non-starter for outdoor installs.

[@dart336]

i love how you have more money than what you know what to do with and still go shopping at harbor freight.

[@sociopathmercenary]

Harbor Freight is awesome. Not for everything but you can't beat the pricing on some of their stuff.

[@_xyzyz_]

I think that is how you get a pile of more money than you know what to do with

[@metaldetectingtoursgeorgia7569]

@@_xyzyz_ Will is clever he has all angles covered and by speculating he accumulates!

[@TheCarGuyOnline]

Love how excited this made you 😂. Now, I need to design a system around one of these. Thank you for your testing and knowledge dumps, it sure helps us normies get down the right path.

[@WillProwse]

Been watching your videos!! And thanks 😁

[@johnhufnagel]

even though my plans are for a power "shed", being sealed units means I might not need to work as hard at closing the envelope and conditioning the space. plus, any thing that helps keep critters out of the critical bits, is always a good thing.

[@Kunani]

Thanks for all your videos. The 12k just wasn't big enough for me so I ordered the 18k along with Aptos panels, batteries and AC unit. I followed the links but eventually ended up with a custom quote by email so I made sure they knew you referred the business. Hope it worked out.

[@marcfruchtman9473]

Great Video. I would advise placing a bushing/grommet where the battery cables are entering to prevent the metal from rubbing the insulation off over time.

[@Ohiostategenerationx]

I wonder if Will has his old RV channel that he had several years ago. He had a lot of great information on that channel as well.

[@rhoward99]

This is great content! I'm trying to down-select a system, and videos like this really help! BTW, you should stop as soon as your torque wrench clicks, and don't go for a second click. Otherwise you may (will) over tighten!

[@WillProwse]

With this fine strand wire you have to wiggle it and then torque it multiple times to get it to spec. It's just awful haha

[@thinde88]

I wish they would make an outdoor rated 6000xp for people fully off grid that don’t want a loud inverter dumping heat into their house all day. I’m fully off grid and at first had my inverter (growatt 12k) in a closet but because of heat and noise I needed to move it into the crawl space which is a terrible location for access and I’m dreading the day it goes down. I may buy one of these just to have a clean location mounted on the outside of the house. I’ve thought about making my own box but letting heat out without any dirt in is a hard task.

[@WillProwse]

Now that would be cool

[@FauxQue-yk8dt]

I have my LV6548 units mounted outside under a covered screen porch. It's been 2.5 years and there is slight corrosion on the air intake vents and that's it. I'm in Florida with high humidity.

[@callmebigpapa]

@@FauxQue-yk8dt Going to be mounting my 3k like that also, so thanks for sharing you experience as it gives me confidence. ==Florida also

[@N8TheSnake]

Will we need a Anker F3800 teardown video. You're the hero we need

[@raptormatt21]

Perhaps one reason to go with the 12K instead of the 18K is some Electrical Inspection authorities (such as the ESA in Canada) require significantly more approval (and permitting fees) for PV systems with more than 10kW of AC output.

[@dfghdfzsd]

absolutely love all the videos! but…. 🤣 no mention of price. i’d also like to know about decibels. opening it up, i know gets monotonous but is still fun- maybe that will come later. on a separate matter, i think a big perk for paralleling 6ks is the redundancy. if you’re really off grid, as in, remote, then it’s nice to know you have 1 or 2 more if one should fail.

[@norsk54472]

thank you great introduction - loving seeing this new tech - just wish it was available back in 2019 when I was buying Schneider parts. Next one definitely now you have 4 air compressors -- lol -- nice test loads for sure mmmm, I need an air compressor for when my diversion load water heater reaches max temp and my panels are searching for a load to power.

[@timgerk3262]

Excellent call-out for surge capacity! A horsepower rating would be cool to know too, for pumps and power tools.

[@azwelke2638]

If you put some nolox on the threads of the lugs, they won't squeak when you're tightening them and they will get a little tighter.

[@morganhayombwe]

Am enjoying and learning alot from your videos

[@philepling2470]

So amazingly proud of you! PLEASE reach out to the rest of your generation! They don’t have the passion or motivation that indwells you!

[@CCRep123]

I bought an 18kPV when they first came out (trade in... before the 6000XP's were available) & will need another inverter to go with it when I finish my house (23kW of panels) . Looks like I should have waited & gotten two 12kPV's? Price of being an early adopter I guess. 😉 Since you really can't mix & match their tech (inverters or batteries), I think another 18kPV is still going to have to be the plan even though I will never be on-grid & never net-metering. etc. My nature is to overbuild everything...the 18kPV accomplishes this, just at a steeper price. That said, as noted many times before, I really think SS/EG4 should make the 18kPV's, the 6000XP's & now the 12kPV's all play nicely together in the same sandbox. Thereby allowing mixing & matching as well as & ESPECIALLY forward & backwards compatibility. It gets awfully expensive trying to start over each time... unless you are you Will. 😂

[@midwestworkshop2863]

This works out, been looking at inverters

[@victorforzani3433]

you are the man I have learn so much from you is not funny, I trust your video's and your knowledge, thanks

[@WillProwse]

Glad to help!!

[@KEAWE7]

Love your reaction!

[@stackmanstack]

In South Africa these units are branded as Luxpower.

[@WillProwse]

An America they are called lux power as well

[@paulkramer4176]

VERY interesting! Yeah, I have had inductive loads well over that! I have a 5 hp 220 sander, that would not start (inrush on the motor was 180amps) on my system. I have 4 outbacks (3400 or so each). 70 running amps, and supposedly double that for surge = 140. Would NOT budge it. I am totally off grid, (closest line is 2 miles away). I have a woodshop that has lots of 3 hp motors. I've been off grid for 20 years. Back then, Outback suggested that inverters were not really meant to run motors like 3 hp. (I've done just fine). I've wanted saws that were a bit bigger (my bandsaw and my main table saw are each 5 hp) so I finally figured out to use 3 phase motors with a VFD for each, and use a soft start. That has made things MUCH better. But now I'm getting ready to upgrade my system. I'm sort of limited because all those old devices were built off 12 V systems. I have a couple Lead acid batteries, (fork lift type) and as I said, the inverters are getting old. I'm looking to invest in 48V system, and going to Lithium ion, or maybe even to something newer, like sodium ion in a couple years, (I can let the current batteries last for 2 more years I think). I was looking at the Victron, or the Sol Ark, but maybe the EG4 is an alternative. Certainly a bit cheaper. I was hoping to go below 15K running watts, and would want close to double that for surge, just in case I even wanted to run a 5 hp motor that was NOT 3 phase, but maybe 12K output is ok. My limitations now are battery really. I have more solar than I can use now. with the 12V, just can't use it all. With 48V, then it would be great! so the 12 K has great surge, what is the surge on the 18K?

[@mikemotorbike4283]

he says surge for 12k pv output slightly better than 18k pv 5:27

[@alvinhyman6838]

I've been looking for information on 3 phase of grid capabilities. Haven't seen but one brand that says that their units can be setup for 3 phase. The ifla is hard to beat if you can maintain them and have the room . Good luck with updating your system.

[@WillProwse]

5hp sander!? I need that thing!!!

[@martijnheeroma5492]

Same result as using Victron MP that's impressive ;)

[@Clif_Brown]

Just add a soft start unit to the 5ton AC unit (~5Kw), even a smaller system unit will start it since there is no Locked Rotor Amps surge. I did that to my own 5 ton AC and can be easily run with a 6kw generator.

[@thaddeustroyer]

If you wanted max inrush, the best way i know if is to have the compessors @ 80-ish psi, this will give you the hardest start for the compressor and max amp draw, then also have your lift ready tongo with the car off the ground raising the vehicle. Then if you want to add a resistive heater/hairdryer (or 2-3) on max. That might have tripped the 12k? Idk, just an idea. Love the video and also a great test/review

[@WillBelden]

As much as you hang stuff on the walls, I'd think (rather than tearing up your sheetrock) that you'd have some outer-mounting board of some sturdy material (itself bolted to the studs, of course) that you could tear up as you like!

[@WillProwse]

Yes I have that on the other walls. This is the new wall now. Next will be concrete wall in the new building

[@zfontain1975]

​@@WillProwseWill that eg4 xp 6000 can I hook that to 240 transfer switch?

[@ericmatthews7264]

this must have been a coordinated effort. I just got an email from eg4 announcing this new inverter and then Will drops this same day which had to have taken weeks to prepare.

[@stevenfrazier8939]

IDLE CONSUMPTION (STANDBY MODE)

[@WillProwse]

Dang it I forgot to mention that!! Good catch

[@Expedition18]

In Canada electric furnaces come 240v 10 kw, 15 kw, 18 kw, 20 kw more than enough current draw😁👍

[@mikeg2321]

Yes but what about the rest of your home.the price per klw of inverting seems high.

[@randyrodriguez99]

Perfect size for my house 🙌🏽

[@michaelsmith3341]

What EG4 Inverter is recommended for priority of "1. Solar PV Power | 2. Grid Power | 3. Batteries | 4. Generator?" Where Solar is used to power ac loads while keeping batteries full. Don't want to supply power back to grid. Only use grid as needed for back up like a generator. Only use Batteries as needed if grid and Solar is not available. And last to only use gas generator if grid is not available and battery is not enough or too low.

[@slip0n0fall]

This is awesome, I've been hoping EG4 would release something smaller than the 18k, because i really dont need/want that much inverter, and the SolArk is getting pretty long in the tooth (and plagued with issues)

[@danielmitchel1189]

Let's see what happens -- so valuable. Thank you!

[@davidtreichelpppj5304]

Pretty high level electrical talk . I hope to catch up . Interesting possibilities I see . Thanks

[@RealitySurvival]

Looks like a great unit!

[@wakawaka1976]

Will watching Will for advice is pretty epic

[@andrewfidel2220]

This seems almost perfect for an RV, I wonder if you fed it a 30A RV source that was split to feed both L1 and L2 and limited it to 15A on the AC input if it could deal with them being matching waveforms? If so this would be a big step up from the Victon x2 because the Victon is only 3kva and 24V on the battery side.

[@JorgeHernandez-ib1px]

Great video! Can you please review the new Litime stack battery? Thank you for your feedback! Keep those videos coming and for giving us the DIY options that are cost-effective!!!

[@djbarrowjr.6443]

These videos are nice. Just wish I had the income to support my solar dreams haha

[@robyndavis3043]

Finally, i can use it to power my entire house with solar panels!

[@kencotton4645]

You must have a warehouse full of used solar equipment by now since it seems like every week you are trying out a new system. Plus you can probably wire a system with your eyes closed by now. I appreciate all these reviews because I am trying to decide on the best system for my budget and needs given my very limited budget.

[@ry2456]

Probably one of your best videos. Informative and exciting! Gives me confidence in my 18kpv. Do you think you'll be able to do this kind of video on the NHX, New Growatt and maybe one of the SRNE 10kw inverters? I know that would be a lot on your plate. These are all getting a lot of interest on the forums. 10kw units at good prices. One reviewer doing simular tests on all of them would be amazing. Thanks Will😁

[@christianperi]

Good testing, should probably wear some electrical isolating gloves when going back and forth touching an open breaker panel. Otherwise good stuff, God bless 🙏

[@2284esther]

Insanely awesome! Thanks

[@bobolones6834]

Looks great! One thing I would love to see is how fast these EG4 inverters switch between Grid and Inverter mode. Thats one thing I wish I had known about the LVX6048. Mine has a pretty bad transfer switch function.

[@randya9143]

My 6000xp transfers from pv to grid so fast that my computers stay on and I don't notice any light flicker. My battery may be providing a little cushion though.

[@commonsenseisdeadin2024]

Tip of advice; to strip the jacket on power cables, use a cigar cutter!

[@zfontain1975]

Nice all i need now is money to buy one.

[@Paradigm1976]

So, if you're not hooked to solar, and want to charge batteries from the grid, is a plug/outlet needed? Or is it directly wired to a breaker in the main panel?

[@Ntombizithini]

Thank you will I have learned a lot from your videos even build a working very small power system from you 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾💞💞💞

[@thelighthousecenters]

Hello Will! Would you be interested in helping us hook up our offshore lighthouses with wind and solar systems?

[@Roll2Videos]

Did you remove the N+G bond when you hooked up to the 18kpv 🤔

[@WillProwse]

Haha no 🤣🤫🫢

[@WillProwse]

Was waiting for someone to comment this haha

[@willfixthingsfordonuts]

Now can we get EG4 to make the service cover a clip-on instead of those horrible little screws?????

[@azpcox]

This one did look to have clips. For air filter cleaning though, I hate those little screws and made some wooden ones to make it easy to remove without tools.

[@krslavin]

I replaced mine with metal thumbscrews - not ideal, but certainly a lot better!

[@slip0n0fall]

Looking forward to future content in that inverter-specifically what array configurations would be ideal. The SolArk 12k doesn't seem ideal for modern/larger high current panels

[@kllcenly869]

Well done 👏

[@loveasapologetics]

10:47 your face is priceless

[@johnb7430]

Can it deal with multiple batteries from different companies of different sizes?

[@ozzlopez8605]

Great vids Will followinh for many years.. yup many. 😊 Wondering how this will do with a welding machine like Multimatic 215

[@McTroyd]

Will's gonna get a Dr. Frankenstein thing going trying to load down these inverters. You should totally put a Jacob's Ladder in the background of your shop somewhere. 😆⚡👍