Zer0, Abralelie & other Apex Pros thoughts on ImperialHal vs Verhulst's TSM DRAMA Aftermath!

[@1vEverybody]

Reps is the only one acting reasonable. Regardless of the data, he’s my MVP

[@teenslug1]

regardless of the data 😭😭😭😭

[@HidenLotus-]

I mean the data is also skewed. Because reps is an anchor, there are things he does that enable the rest of the team to either kill, finish downs, show presence, and keep key positions, when he’s on, he compliments Hal very well cause who else knows him better in terms of synergy? Sure there’s an argument of who’s better overall and we all know reps and Hal respectively had made a ton of mistakes, but I don’t think the numbers actually reflect the true “value” of a player

[@1vEverybody]

@@HidenLotus- true but the numbers are still there. idk how it's calculated and if its weighted for role position etc. all I know is he's #1 in my heart

[@1vEverybody]

@@teenslug1 I mean shit we all saw it I just instantly looked away out of respect

[@bingbong1767]

Hey man.... he's anchoring in game and in life haha. For real though I love reps.

[@ketchupboy625]

Respect for Reps. Absolutely agree with what he said. This whole drama thing is entertaining but overblown and unnecessary. Good for content tho

[@footballfan5048]

Good for us to learn from.

[@sazcxieo]

so is it unnecessary or good content. have some balls man. its entertaining af then shut up

[@FakeGothBitch]

I feel like reps is gonna retire soon, he seems done with the drama.

[@chieftex3015]

This shit is not entertaining it’s annoying them foos jus need to run a fade but Evan would beat the shit out of hal

[@jakelanning1178]

Love Reps for just leaving it how he did

[@milkcarton7064]

anchor in game anchor in real life. He got that gibby mental

[@heyitismehere]

The person who threw the most and barely tried has the least to say. Sounds about right.

[@nathannagoor6202]

The person with the second highest earnings in Apex history, multiple Lan wins and Clutches . Yet a nobody gold 2 player is critizing him.​@heyitismehere

[@kwonderland89]

@@milkcarton7064 true

[@ImBeeatsOfficial]

@@heyitismeherelol tell me you don’t know the game works without telling me. Always some random outsider with the most to say. Just like sports fans who r watching on their tv Lmao,

[@sppl623]

reps will forever and always be the goat of apex for not caring at all and being the most chill

[@scxizm7828]

Man that alb segment was kinda tragic.

[@TurnMeUpGhost]

huh? how so?

[@Diet_Rifles]

He admitted he imploded and made a lot of mistakes and has a bunch of regrets. Hes matured a bunch over the years ​@TurnMeUpGhost

[@TurnMeUpGhost]

@@Diet_RiflesI need to go back and watch the whole thing I was so confused 😅

[@Diet_Rifles]

@@TurnMeUpGhost he was basically relating how he reacted to winning under TSM and the pressure of playing with someone like Hal with how Verhulst is reacting, and it's a good take tbh

[@timothymoore2966]

Now it’s Evan turn. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you

[@futbolfan27]

Damn I loved that section from Alb. His introspection and walking chat through his self reflection was really cool to see. That kind of grasp on reality is refreshing to see

[@johnnyjoy2341]

Respect to Mac. He’s matured so much.

[@unluckymerc2810]

alb has made some insane personal growth good to see him with a mental

[@brooklynsavagez449]

5:15 respect to abralelie, not many pros in the scene have his level of humility and integrity to look at it from the outside in

[@sammootz6132]

Spam click this timestamp lol 😭😭

[@brooklynsavagez449]

@@sammootz6132 ayoooooo

[@hoodyplz]

Ive been rooting for the zach alb reunion this split that alb segment made me want it more controller alb with zach rn would be nuts

[@powertrip6426]

Facts

[@joanie442ty]

They played together In the macro tournament it was rlly fun to watch

[@ni8crawlerr]

Alb speaking facts

[@poze2010]

Alb is so humble here. Clearly it shows that he is older had time to reflect. Seems like Evan is just hitting puberty and now is angry with dad

[@Sweet_0304]

Life and time humbled him. 😔

[@nnoir]

Clearly everyone had abusive fathers. Sad life

[@DEMON-cn2my]

lol Hals big E’s step dad lol

[@jm9762]

Man. Much love to you Mac for all of that growth. Incredible. Love Jordan for his one and done comment too

[@tingma8676]

I feel like it’s not Hal or Evan’s fault,Hal wants to win so he chose his way to encourage his teammates (although might not the best way) but Evan just wanna be chill rather than being trashtalked,they are just not suitable to stay in one team

[@paulsowerby8863]

The self realisation Mac has is top tier no ego no bullshit, just owning his mistakes, i didnt really think much of him, but you have to give a man like that your respect, takes a lot to own up to your mistakes, and not deflect from the truth.

[@the_joy_n_sorrow]

Seems Hal probably cares more about his teammates in real life than they care about him. This is easier for him to do because he was the one handing out the insults in-game. He doesn't have any reason to feel bad about his teammates outside of the game, unlike them, who might have started feeling negatively because of the way he treats them in-game😅

[@christopherp2205]

Popping bats in zone fucking floored me. 🤣

[@Destruction52]

Big E started all of this with the "Raven fell off" comment. Also, Reps is the GOAT, he knows he didn't grind enough, (even though he never played that much) but also understands that maybe that era was over and they were all looking for an excuse for just leave, hence the result at LAN. Big E vs Hal would be the next rivalry. Teammates to rivals. Day vs Night. Feeling like lex luthor.

[@TheTopStarz]

Remember when Verhulst old teammates that he left said Verhulst left for the money and clout but he tried to deny it and it got his old teammates named salty and jealous BUT now he clearly is admitting that he just joined TSM for the money and clout 😂😂😂😂🤣

[@melolovesmilo]

Up to this point

[@melolovesmilo]

Hal even defended evan against skittles. Clearly Evan started all this. He got his head big already

[@todward3295]

Yah dude had us all fooled genually

[@TrodVods-jo2iy]

I forgot about this wow

[@RamenFuel7700]

Reps is the adult here!

[@olivernikoro1415]

This channel eating real good these pass few days huh😂😂

[@olivernikoro1415]

And I'm here for all the drama😂

[@richardlee5412]

Honestly as a long time tsm viewer, I hated the whole PR no bad blood between us act they were putting up initially. To any long time viewer who understood the type of people we were dealing with there was so obviously a great deal of resentment and yet I would read so many chatters all propagating this lie and maybe they did just believe it was truthful but it still fucking pissed me off. This whole unveiling of the curtain is so refreshing and vindicating, so god I hope reps can stop with the sidelines act too now, get some fire back with Evan and Jordan so they can kick FLCNs ass come this split. Bottling their true feelings on the TSM breakup will only hinder their performance further.

[@ghsty95]

the honesty from alb was the most surprising part of this for me

[@budgetwriter2675]

Reps has held the criticism of casual fans for years, and now hals reinforcing it when reps said nothing against him, reps has always been a support player “value” stats will never favour him its a joke

[@aicsynthesizer]

Mac turning into a psychoanalyst for a bit fr

[@146ix]

not really

[@RickGrimes807]

Except he's completely off the mark and his comparison with Evan is absolutely misleading and irrelevant. They're nothing alike, and their situations and behavior are complete opposites. Alb is wrongly projecting himself onto Evan.

[@purpleak155]

⁠@@RickGrimes807wait so, do you know alb and evan personally or are you being a “psychoanalyst” on someone you don’t know?

[@RickGrimes807]

@@purpleak155 what about you? Do you know them? Or are you special and you don't need to know them to have an opinion?

[@purpleak155]

@@RickGrimes807 tf are u talking abt, where in my response did i even mention any type of opinion other than it being stupid to analyze someone you only see on the internet

[@teamwonder9229]

Didnt Evan came After Snipedown and not mac ? And didnt Evan got into tsm Because Snipedown asked Hal about someone to replace him and Evan was insane in Intel ?

[@GYATTsomehelp72]

zer0 : Thats insane take. couldnt agree more

[@nickdelozada]

Albralelie has full reformed hope bro is successful now

[@kevinmaroney9819]

Alb gained a lot in my book here

[@HexxuSz]

dude zach and alb were such a vibe duoe whe not in fucking Apex

[@aaronnathaniel95]

8:12 dammnnnnn 😢

[@MrConraad]

This did not age well😂 big e had an amazing split 2 with top 4 finish, falcons on the other hand 😂😂😂😂😂

[@RuMaow]

Hal will success a lot for sure. But i doubt he will have actual friends as teammates by his side then at the end.

[@puffyips]

He doesn’t give a f*ck about that he just wants teammates that don’t die in a simple 3v3 like bots, how many times I’ve seen reps and verhuslt drop like a fly I was glad to see Hal team with zero and gen they are better it’s that simple.

[@Iamyourshooter76]

Ngl I agree with Timmy I’d prefer a dezign rage ovr a Hal rage , I’d def have to get on bro

[@thanhduy3652]

if u can’t handle the pressure you don’t deserve to win

[@GravityGamerXCII]

You gotta respect your teammates specially if they are the reason why your winning

[@djsixninesix]

Exactly that why Hal should have been respectful of Evan.

[@puffyips]

@@djsixninesixno, evans lack of performance led to disrespect from Hal

[@rym7174]

Albralelie handled that like a boss

[@CiiTiiZzeN]

one of the realest talks by mac

[@mzshanee]

Nah, that is seriously some trauma bond shit with Alb. Cuz truly like what Zero said, he has never flipped out like what Hal CONSTANTLY did to Reps and Evan. Hal would insult and attack the characters of his teammates. If he criticized constructively, it would be a different story. Hal has always been a whack ass teammate.

[@B_188_]

Hal is toxic and there is no argument on that. It's totally healthy for a person to not be ok with that kind of behavior, make no mistake. People think that, because someone is successful, it's also ok what they do but it's not - and Hal is successful on what he does partially for the wrong reasons. Talking shit and talking down on your team like they are lesser than you is not ok. It's fun for some of the audience but it's not ok.

[@AK-do9jw]

finally someone said it! like being toxic in gameplay can be borderline accepted but calling a person an idiot dumbass etc.. like no im not your dog

[@puffyips]

Nah I’m talking shit to my teammates for dropping like flies 100%

[@flyinchancla3545]

Timmy talking about Dezign 💀 💀

[@tanji998]

What is passion without ever being mad? Without ever being sad? Without ever yelling? What kind of love is the one we don't fight for? Everything has limits. Yes, but being yelled at least means someone cares. Someone watches you and is there for you. Alb is right about this.

[@Palmese12]

Mac is right about playing or working with someone who's passionate and demanding. It makes you angry, but you put more pressure on yourself to be better. It's true across all aspects of life. In the moment you hate it, looking back on it you appreciate it

[@DannyPhantom03]

"he's bout to say some fk shyet" typical hal

[@buhddacreates5140]

i fucking love alb man always been my favourite player and always will be

[@RetroRetro23]

They live in the same house lmao how is their Twitter drama???

[@tailwind101]

😂

[@spooky5987]

Shows how much you know. They do not live in the same house. Hal has his own house where he lives with his dad. He rarely stayed/stays in the TSM house. He's basically fully moved out at this point.

[@xjeremyflowers]

@@spooky5987lol they’re still living together til end of the month. hal and big e were both on thr apex after hours pod in big e’s stream

[@QuiteEpic2U]

@@xjeremyflowers Hal streams at a different house. He goes to the TSM house still though. The day the after hours stream happened Hal literally said he's gonna end stream and head to the TSM house for dinner.

[@sylveonnn3704]

Okay guys so Hal lives there he just haven't been there since the drama

[@MvLogisticsGOW]

The only issue I have with Verhulst ‘going down the same road’ as Alb is that Verhulst is just better at the game. Controller demon in a controller heavy region.

[@flashlite3]

There used to be a time when Alb was one of the best MnK fraggers mechanically.

[@MvLogisticsGOW]

@@flashlite3 true but the skill gap closed very very fast.

[@ceddybear988]

Everyone about to become an a$$hole on apex now😂

[@Guwop13]

Big respect to Reps for being mature and unbothered about it all.

[@djbr12]

Hal’s the bad guy don’t care what you say 😔 and I used to watch him a lot

[@djsixninesix]

i feel the same way , Hal would be arrested if he acted like that irl. Hal is the piece of shit and i cant believe it turning against Evan.

[@ZoljeTV]

Reps is so nice about it but I feel bad for him it wasnt his fault that evan fucked up and they always used to find another 3rd to grind with when they needed one but this time its Reps looking for another 3rd to replace hals position thats gotta be tuff for sure

[@emergency2022]

actually mac is a good as comp to hal (apart from achievements)

[@givemeanipa4171]

@ 4:40 what playlist is that?

[@Owen-lj6qz]

i dont understand how alb thinking that evan and him are in the same position.

[@MikeyL1kesIt]

Usually if people treat you a certain kind of way.. and it’s a reoccurring thing.. it’s probably you Hal.

[@bobbybiscotti8007]

Big Reps W @ 0:04

[@Archer-hg9rw]

Abralelie js dropping wisdom

[@fade22223]

Evan being brutally honest and transparent equals people blowing a gasket.

[@kaijusenseii]

I think the biggest problem was the way Hal insulted them. Not the yelling not calling them out on their mistakes and being mad. It was the insults. In Mexico we have a saying, “entre broma y broma, la verdad se asoma.” Which translates to, joke after joke, the truth peeks through. Hal might say he doesn’t mean it, but saying it on the regular shows otherwise. Hal is great, it’s ok to yell and expect nothing but the best, but insulting someone on a personal level ain’t it.

[@Michael-vw4cg]

Someone gotta check on Mac more often bro

[@Ankjear]

Ngl idk wtf evan is doing rn, like this feels like a complete character flip, and I wonder if its from a place of complicity or resentment towards hal

[@gapretzle]

I think he’s just being honest. Imagine having someone talk shit to you constantly everyday for every mistake that you make. This is no different than having a crappy boss that’s on your A** everyday and it will eventually get to you. Yes, the money is good but after a certain point you blow up

[@glasseswearer360]

Not tryna act like I know him personally, but I think maybe it’s because he’s had a confidence boost or maybe even gained an ego after winning several times that he feels comfortable to be opinionated now. He was never actually that positive like people thought, he literally just never said his opinions out loud or just laughed stuff off.

[@nnoir]

@@glasseswearer360 Ur comment doesnt make any sense. You say you dont know him personally then make claims about his personality. Are you stupid?

[@DaveWolffe]

He has been yelled at constantly without the freedom to speak out about it publicly because it would completely destroy the team dynamic. He's now finally able to get shit off his chest. People blindly taking Hal's side are wild. Hal is the goat, he is insane and the reason TSM were TSM. But it doesn't mean his approach, no matter if it is from a place of passion, was correct or professional. Screaming and insulting your teammates is not the only way to give passionate feedback OR get the best out of them. Hal saying Evan only wants sunshine and butterflies like there is no middle ground between absolute cunt and coddling.

[@grandson3068]

@@gapretzleNo, evan literally did NOT need to say all this shit on stream. He’s in the wrong here not Hal. I just love how everyone tries their best to make Hal look like the bad guy lol

[@seangustafson1298]

what alb said may be true for him, but different people respond to criticism in different ways. hal’s dynamic is very polarizing for people. one man crumbles and another man grows from it

[@xalium]

Alb for all his past tantrums and rage quits, this was such a mature take on the situation and also self reflection. When you’re in a team, doesn’t matter if it’s sports, esports, engineering, whatever - you want to surround yourself with people who push you and challenge you. Hal goes overboard with the insults and can become borderline toxic but if I’m not the leader and I want the best money and all the trophies, I would rather have a passionate leader who expresses the dissatisfaction. I don’t watch Hal anymore but watching current TSM, they are certainly lacking this leadership.

[@yigitdemir7793]

Everyone is hyping up Jordan - as they should. But what Mac has said is another level of maturity. It is extremely rare to be that self conscious and accept mistakes one made. Props to him. Hope he gets where he wants to be in his life. He deserves it.

[@jhonathansanchez5905]

And reps also would get upset in situations throughout the tsm run. But he knew keep it all about the game.. it’s not that deep to ruin a friendship for life, we’re all ending 6ft deep anyways 🤘

[@TheWalrus-he5cp]

Shout out to Jordan

[@fzxio_]

So basically evan chose tsm for money and viewership instead of picking them over game skill so they could win evan might have the best aim but give him hals passion he isnt missing a bullet evans always clueless and doesnt seem to care

[@derekm2979]

i think its clear reps agrees with alot of what alb was saying. hes known hal in real life longer than mostly anyone and knows the in game drama/yelling is nothing more than in game drama. and hal helped him secure life long money if he uses his money smart, he will never have to work another day in his life even if tsm never wins anything again. sad to see all this happening between them

[@its_soulreaper7552]

Sad tho, on the hand of respect verhulst didn’t have to say that, yet he respects himself and that shows strength. Y’all gotta remember despite Hal’s clear talents and passion to win, he was never the nicest igl, far from it. We could argue about the stress Hal had to go through by being igl for tsm however that doesn’t exactly excuse all the verbal abuse he put the tsm boys through over the years. I can tell from the sound of reps voice he wants to really say some shit, but he respects everyone’s career and choices over the drama. All in all , verhulst is lan proven well respected and more than earned his way to where he is today, I say let the man cook and talk his shit the way he feels without getting roasted for it. Honestly big L for Hal on this one in my opinion.

[@NN-oz6rr]

Evan is in the wrong here. Good insight from Albralelie too. Btw, imagine TSM with Evan, Reps and Mac. Could be interesting

[@TectonicVR]

i am watching a video of a youtuber watching a streamer reacting to a streamer about a take -_-

[@fragr33f74]

Yep, Reps is still the goat gigachad.

[@codythurmond]

Everyone really just trying to make this into like a Shaq & Kobe feud in the mid 2000s. It's entertaining but I don't think there is a lot of beef here. They still live together. Hal is an ultra-competitor and it is a double edged sword. It drives him to be great but the negative is him being very hard on his teammates to drive them to the same success he wants. Evan knew what he was getting into when he signed. Does Hal go over the top sometimes in his criticisms? Yes. Are others in the apex community or chats egging on this spat with "he said she said" messages to get them to talk shit. Absolutely. They had their amazing run together so I think they are both fine with how it turned out even if the split is a little emotional.

[@hieunguyenduy1357]

Big E really lost on this one.

[@olivernikoro1415]

Dude Evan wth are you doing bro, this isn't a good look at all... Whelp i guess there goes the best positivity award 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@Lalalattae]

People need to realize that verhulst is 100% valid for his opinions, Ab feels the way he feels for regret about tsm because of the outcome. Nobody says you need to be "soft" or kind to your teammates as an IGL, but dont call them a retard, and insult them personally 24/7 without going straight into what they do wrong. Stop pretending like hal is so right for yelling, nobody cares if he yells, people don't like hal insulting them as a person when youre supposed to be friends at the end of the day. Be a leader and direct your teammates in a better direction. Your friends should come out of it feeling ashamed for the play, own up to mistakes, not feel like theyre a dogshit player when you know theyre not, obviously if you put them on your team. Christ, im tired of people going over the main points and pretending as if Verhulst is just randomly exploding, everyone can watch one game of playing with hal and understand 100% of what Verhulst is saying. Playing with hal sucks so much to the point that winning just does not feel worth it. if your igl makes you feel like that then why even play. Verhulst hated playing the game because of hal, he wasnt lazy, wasnt dedicated, his hate of the game stemmed from hal because of hal constantly insulting him. Hal has no filter so I don't see why Verhulst should. personally.

[@jsanchezz115]

I mean the 1v1 game mode tho

[@nelsonomarvalencia-garcia3403]

What’s the story? I didn’t know there was drama

[@Fsunolesnation]

Seems like Evan can’t handle the heat. Buddy needs to grow thicker skin. Crying over words in a game. He was blessed with skill, not being competitive.

[@nhcr60s]

Damn bruh fucked off cuz of covid!!?? That's wild the covid era wasn't that bad

[@teamwonder9229]

8:40 thats what every Hal hater should hear, dude is the greatest Apex player ever he won so much that we can't count and ppl still disagree with his playing style with mate and rage bro without rage he wouldnt be the best ever think about that even Abralelie said it reps said it and Evan will understand soon

[@1clippedit643]

I mean i understand everything but i really wanted to see ALB with the VERHULST and REPS ngl

[@lucagenovese7207]

Reps is the real one

[@1JamesZ]

The heck happened to Evan man? Why’s he so mad?

[@bleach7958]

I’m finding it hilarious how we are now comparing ADHD gamers to MJ. I get the mentality comparison when it comes to winning but you guys are taking the actions of Hal with his teammates and comparing that to MJ. Basketball is a physical sport. These guys are freak athletes who can handle stuff like this better than any gamer. MJ was shit talking 6’8 muscular tough guys. Hal is shit talking gamers that don’t have many in person interactions. Most of you get too emotional over this. Stop comparing basketball and apex actions 😂

[@affentossepen]

after seeing all this drama, its time for me to scream to random in apex

[@baronsonics]

This has to be planned out by the boys lolol

[@KingBLUCK]

We all know ALB just yapping, he aint trying and he NEEDS to retire

[@stueyxd]

Dont they all live together?

[@hunter-nv9xi]

Evan nuked his career in my eyes, I was a big fan of his but after this situation I can't say that. Always love TSM and their legacy is cemented in my heart, Hal along with Reps are both my forever goats and they both handled the situation really well though I do agree with Zer0 that Hal is going a little far but Evan crossed that line first when nothing ever had to be said. Alb's segment of this vid was hard and also nice to watch, it was hard to hear him admit his faults but nice to see his reflections and maturity into a better self. I've been one of the biggest fans of his since day 1 and supported him through everything even when he first left Tsm. It's sad that Evan is going down this route, it will be really hard for him to win again and he knows it. He completely ruined his image in my eyes

[@bleach7958]

Thank you for mostly repeating everything said in the video lmao

[@tonigabric6269]

What did he say that was so bad? Did you even watch his video the man said how he felt playing with Hal and being honest about it and the snowflake Hal can't take that into perspective and see what every one was saying all these years that he needs to chill TF, no he goes into rage mode while he talks constantly how dog shit Evan and Reps were .......

[@Spacebound80]

Apex pro scene is high school, if your “popular,” everyone will agree with you(Hal). If you’re a nerdy loser who likes the chiefs people will hate you

[@TayPlaysDrums]

Crazy how we’re still having to unpack the idea of Hal. E-girl/Esport babies need to get on a football team and see what it’s really like to be scolded. Especially a WINNING TEAM. the softness in this community is baffling.

[@abbe7443]

alteast alb is self aware, first step towards recovery

[@aqibalifarooqi5568]

Alb is the Guy who realizes his mistakes Real Man

[@Beast-uo9gr]

I dont keep up, but dont they still live together?

[@ManiSuckz]

Hal was way too toxic towards a 18yr old kid and still is. His quite literal baby raging fits were so cringe and the only reason I didn't like imperial Hal as a gamer. Toxicity gets to the other players when it's fucking constant. How does Evan go from being the undisputed #1 roller player to "I wanna quit the game"? Yeah that shit doesn't just happen for no reason

[@fel1xzr412]

Hal is a freak. Could even be labeled as abuse. Honestly. Evan looks alot happier now he can be himself and play the game without being afraid of getting yelled at

[@damii6024]

the mac and evan shit isn’t comparable lol. mac is a crash out who would yell back at hal and snipe did too. evan never did that and just waited for hal to leave.

[@djackson2560]

Verhulst still the goat!!! Thats why people care about his drama so much

[@Jgabyc]

When it come to hal you have 2 choices; take this hate to fuel you and get better or let it get to you and feel bad about it. Same thing goes for everything in life. Of course its annoying in the moment but i dont think hal mean to be that way in a negative way

[@ВалераВласенков-ю2о]

you're missing one major thing, and that thing is the ego. When another person tells you that you are an idiot, you cannot accept it, because the person who tells you this is weaker than you as an individual player.

[@Aomine_420]

Alb spittin the facts