"JUSTICE LEAGUE vs THE FATAL FIVE" Timeline - How Long After Justice League Unlimited?

[@rileygallagher5484]

If we get justice league unlimited season 4 I hope superman finally tells Lois he’s superman because he has been avoiding that for yeaaaaaars

[@sonofbeardman]

That's one of the biggest head-scratchers I've had after watching "Superman: The Animated Series", you'd think after nearly three seasons without Clark fessing up that those making the show were saving it for the finale with Superman's (seemingly) final confrontation with Darkseid, with Clark considering the possibility that he may never come back from that and Lois would never know the truth about him or his feelings after how close they've grown, or that after he defeated him he was lucky to be alive and should make the most of that upon returning to Earth by confessing to Lois and trusting her with his secret, yet for some reason neither option seemed to cross anyone's mind before the show ended. In short: Should we get anything new (be it another show or movie) in the DCAU after JL vs FF that features both Supes and Lois (with Dana Delany reprising the role), this long overdue moment definitely needs to happen (or at least be confirmed to have happened at some point prior).

[@zyaicob]

I keep forgetting that that never happened in the DCAU

[@maymay5600]

doesn't superman unbound and superman ve the elites count as for being in the dcau timeline? superman vs does take place right after superman the animated series and jlu...idk

[@MrGeorgFTW]

@@maymay5600 no those don't count

[@HyraxusPrimus]

He already told her he was Superman all the way back in Superman: The Animated Series. She didn't believe him.

[@sonofbeardman]

That image of balding Nightwing's gonna be sticking around in my noggin for a while...

[@randybaumery5090]

You should see the original Robin actor now.

[@thedarkjw6219]

I flinched at that!

[@michaelandreipalon359]

I prefer his Batman Beyond 2.0 look.

[@Bunbaroness]

Okay, but what if Miss Martian was just saying that Robin USED TO BE a teenager and work alongside Batman, not that he CURRENTLY IS a teenager working alongside Batman.

[@infinityalbi9840]

Still, if the events of the ROTJ (Return of the Joker) flashback had already happened, I think Batman's reaction would be less "Point taken", and more like "DON'T REMIND ME OF THAT!"

[@Bunbaroness]

@@infinityalbi9840 Yeah, but I thought the idea here was Robin's supposed to be like 21 by the time of the RotJ flashback. So he could still be like 20 in Fatal Five or something. I don't know.

[@avace917]

I was gonna say the same thing regarding Miss Martian possibly saying that Batman used to work with teenagers. After all, at this point he'd already worked with 2 of them (Dick and Tim).

[@dcauwatchtower]

It definitely is possible! That’s why the 2 other timeline possibilities are still technically “the real answer” as well, until we have other evidence besides Tim to narrow it down even further.

[@brentandrew2419]

There's just too much shit crammed in before the flashback of RotJ for it to make sense. I firmly believe the flashback had to take place between JL and JLU at latest for Robin to still be young. Otherwise we're saying TNBA, JL and JLU all happened within a couple years, which is not fun to me to compress the timeline that way.

[@SageofSorrow]

Bruce Timm is definitely the Akira Toriyama of the DCAU. Constantly flubs timeline placements, gives wrong info, plotholes etc. But is hailed as the “all seeing all knowing” of the property world because he created it.

[@battleupsaber462]

Probably shorter than it takes Watchtower Database to make that Teen Titans video

[@dcauwatchtower]

😤

[@kronemerj]

Watch till the end of the video

[@andreiiiksavvv6054]

You made james mad again

[@sethvella]

@@dcauwatchtower I am making a fan edit of the DCAU are you interested? Also seeing as U guys are good at drawing the DCAU characters U should make Legacies (your comics) into one big animated movie (maybe your next movie after ViReality or whatever it was called)

[@lopen312thegamer4]

3.57: By the way, the name Zeta came out in the latest episode of Arrow in flashforward.

[@epsilon7707]

3:57

[@michaelandreipalon359]

​@@epsilon7707Many thanks.

[@roccoborghetti4693]

Damn the production quality just keeps getting better with every single episode.

[@JacobyJ56]

18:18 that guy worked on the movie?! He'd liked a bunch of my tweets about Justice League vs the Fatal Five

[@michaelandreipalon359]

18:08 should be the correct timestamp.

[@NumbSkull2602]

I’d like to see a version of the DC universe where events happen in “real” time. Superman Debuts in 1938, Batman in 1939, the JSA in the 40s, the JLA in the 50’s Atlantis, Themyscera and the Green Lantern Corps etc etc... The Teen Titans in the 1970s The Dark Knight Returns in the mid 80’s and such Possibly Batman Beyond in 1999 taking over the cowl, or Damien Wayne taking a similar role. Blackest Night in 2009-2010 You get it. It’s like a catch all history that spans decades and all fits together. But today (2020 as of this comment) we could have New events, new characters, a universe that changes over time, happening at the same time as our own. Similar to the 2000AD/Judge Dredd universe I think that would be cool

[@michaelrhett4958]

The story called “Superman and Batman generations” is sort of what you’re asking for

[@NumbSkull2602]

Michael Rhett I just looked into it because I’ve never heard of that before, and from what I can tell it’s a similar idea, yeah. I’ll have to give it a read. Though I would love a universe of the DC’s multiverse that is completely independent from comic-book time. Where all of DC’s history is history, and now in the modern day we have new heroes that battle contemporary issues, with characters that can age and grow, stories that always evolve, with room for in depth story telling... and pew-pew-laser-blast-punchy-punch spandex fights... gotta have those. Thank you for the recommendation btw

[@michaelrhett4958]

Numbskull2602 you’re welcome

[@callumsparrow4379]

So basically a DC equivalent to ‘Spider-Man: Life Story’?

[@speedyturtleproductions7537]

Sort of like spiderman life story

[@tankgunner9860]

Shout out to the production in this episode 🙌🏼

[@Soron661]

sadly, we'll never get another DCAU film involving Bruce Wayne's Batman as Kevin Conroy has passed away. May he forever R.I.P.

[@MChedderbeef]

I’m just glad that we get to see Robin next to Batman’s JLU design.

[@falleneldor]

So...Miss Martian and Jessica Cruze are in the DCAU BEFORE their first comic appearance? So this is like a reverse Harley Quinn situation?

[@Jb-ik3pq]

Isn’t every DCAU character a reverse Harley Quinn situation?

[@falleneldor]

@@Jb-ik3pq LoL. From a ceratain point of view, yes that is true. Haha. However, by "reverse harley quinn", i meant created after the show, but eventually being used in screen. Neither charecter existed when JLU was on the air. Harley never existed in the comics* before being created for the show. *except for the name Harlequin the name given to Dula Dent in Teen Titan comics.

[@PAINBODEE]

They were both in the comics before the movie

[@1KingMichaelJackson1]

You know, I really mean it when I say that you are really funny. The typ of Comedy you are useing is amazing. The timeing of jokes and the way you present them is perfect. you have a great feel for that but at the same time it seems to be very organic! very good. you are great and very funny!

[@tmhchacham]

I've been a fan of his comedy and timing for a while now. It's just my style. Even the finding the trees already being put together was perfect, because that would be my exact reaction. :)

[@alexkanatzidis]

This guy isnt funny.

[@zyaicob]

@@alexkanatzidis you isn't funny

[@zyaicob]

Yeah this video is hilarious

[@JosiahHerring]

Surprised you guys don't use Google Slides for Notes. It's the most straight forward in my opinion.

[@ChristopherJohnson-wh5xi]

Yes finally what we have all been waiting for! Love your guys stuff I hope you never stop

[@ChristopherJohnson-wh5xi]

Just finished the video and thanks again guys! I look forward to more soon!

[@azef]

The skits in these are getting better and better along with the whole video being solid as always. Good job lads!

[@cameronbaker97]

the Return Of The Joker flashback scene is also the cutoff for Harley being known to still be alive too.

[@Adam-zy9fv]

Isnt she in an episode of Batman beyond or am I tripping

[@isetmfriendsofire]

I always get the sense that Bruce Timm is really annoyed by the DCAU/comic book fandom in general. In interviews he often comes across like he doesn’t particularly want to be there (even in interviews for things like The Killing Joke before it got all of its negative reception.:.). And then, of course, we see how he gets when asked about the DCAU in basically any capacity. It’s kinda a shame, but Instill respect him immensely. I just wish he could come across a little more friendly.

[@falleneldor]

Though the pack in comics was in development in 1981, and the toys finalized that same year, it was February of 1982 that MOTU was introduced to the public either at the Toyfare tradeshow or early release of He-Man, Skeletor and Battle at. They wouldn't be popularized untill Filmation's cartoon which hit airwaves in late 1983. (Bonus fact for those who don't know, this is where Bruce Time started his career working for Filmation's on He-Man and freelancefor Mattel on He-Man, mostly in mini comis and some packaging art.)

[@toromiguelangel]

You guys are really good with these types of videos. Can't imagine the work it implies looking up for these clues of the timeline.

[@dtfilmmaker]

Entertaining as always

[@zacharymorales1656]

Luv your guys humor u put in b these videos sorry I didn't watch this sooner but u posted this like at 4:00 in the morning where I am at

[@Juan_x_Pedro]

Thanks guys you just made my day better.

[@multimoonj3410]

Well done bois! Now I need GLTAS WILL IT CANON RE CRISIS ON TWO EARTHS WILL IT CANON BTAS WILL IT CANON MATTIE WILL IT CANON TED WILL IT CANON LEGACIES WILL IT CANON AND TWO PIZZAS

[@probot6515]

...and a large soda!

[@multimoonj3410]

I know it was a joke

[@topsecret770]

As a person from Portland Oregon, growing up watching DCAU. This was trippy. As a kid, I always thought the characters were real and dreamed they'd come to Portland so I could meet them. Imagine me watching this movie realizing I could unknowingly be a background character here. I could have a counterpart in the DCAU. Pretty exciting. Particularly if you research Portland, actual superheroes exist here, Gaurdian Shield, Zeta-Man, the King, etc. Imagine if they all have counterparts.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Yeah! I grew up about 2 hours from Portland, so it was definitely wild to hear Kevin Conroy’s Batman say “Portland, Oregon.”

[@lopen312thegamer4]

3.10: 50 years later from Original BTAS maybe since it was in 90's. In this case Epilogue in 65 years from now could be refference to BTAS too which is "now" for those who just started watching BTAS.

[@sethvella]

3:10

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Precisely how I interpreted said timelines, this.

[@ShinySephiroth1]

It's fun to watch these out of order and then seeing the missing gaps in episodes I've already seen. "Oh, that's Cyber James sending the error messages!"

[@norseczar27]

Crisis was based on crisis on two earths. It’s an awesome story. I didn’t know the studio interferes. Great video

[@slowpoke9634]

3:13 This is all well and good, but where I disagree with making a timeline is when the little problems and things that are bound to exist decanonize things like the last issue of Batman Adventures vol 2. Other than that, though, it is a lot of fun and can help us understand the universe more.

[@Vandita3344]

Wowow! this was such a informative video, I have never noticed the timeline before. Thanks for the upload.

[@michaelsemenak8878]

I just met Kevin Conroy at comic con

[@francisrichardparadis6612]

I just watched for the first time Justice League vs the fatal five and OMG it's so good !

[@Spider-Bread]

I really hope we get a near apocalypse of "09" movie cause that would be the best

[@dcauwatchtower]

We’ll be exploring that in our webcomic down the road: legaciesdcau.com

[@michaelandreipalon359]

​@@dcauwatchtowerSpeaking of which, how's the webcomic coming along concurrently?

[@ManuDG-c4v]

Great video guys Remember kids #DontSpoilTheEpilogue (?

[@thatnamelessguy4011]

Manu Ortiz #keepEpilogueasecret

[@thatnamelessguy4011]

#SpoilTheEndgame

[@redtornado5239]

Lol these videos always make me happy

[@ChilaAuroraVT]

21:04 Guys we need some amnestics, he's finding out the truth

[@indiecinemaster4699]

I want a DCAU Suicide Squad film set after "Task Force X".

[@ermixonscraziesttheories]

I guess placing Far From Home earliest makes sense as the Fatal Five were weaker and it could be explained that they somehow got a power boost but the time travel technology has seriously regressed.

[@michaelbrent1536]

R.I.P Dwen MCDofy you will be miss since he the guy behind Justice League,Justice League Unlimited,Ben 10 and Ben 10 Alien force! They should do a Ben 10 and DCAU crossover to honor him or a Tiny Toon adventures,Animianics,Freakazoid(Dexter Douglas) and Pinky and Brain and Justice League crossover since those cartoon were created by Paul dini and Bruce Timm!

[@kimeraclan3135]

I don't think Bruce Timm would agree. Freakazoid was not the show he wanted to make. Although Freakazoid and the Creeper teaming-up to stop The Lobe and Ra's al Ghoul would be boss. I'll let you put two-and-two together as to why I picked those particular villains in the same basket.

[@Seeriosa]

I'm sure it's been said but Tim doesn't have to have been a teenager during the fatal five, m'gann only needed to transform into his teenage self. Of course he looks the youngest he ever did (imo) as baby joker so maybe he's just a short king forever. Until he grows up. Nevermind.

[@petergrnbech3125]

I am not the biggest Legion of Superheroes fan, but I thought this movie did a great job making the Fatal Five compelling antagonists. Anyway great video. This is me, feeding the algorithm.

[@CinematicController]

the extra bridges thing actually makes sense, assuming the DCAU world is layed out with the same map as the DC prime universe it's cannon (site:JLA/Avengers) that the earth in the dc universe is actually slightly larger then the real world earth resulting in alot of citys having extra buildings and in this case bridges.

[@KingofBeasts444]

I miss Portland Oregon. Cool that my home town, (and by extension myself) to be canon to the DCAU.

[@Tombrunnerh9]

Another great timeline video! Sorry it took me long to comment on this video. So when are you going to do your Batman and Mr. Freeze: Sub Zero and Superman: The Animated Series timeline videos? So far, those are the ones I am looking forward to.

[@LordRavensong]

Clock chimes in the background of a timeline video? Poetic cinema

[@dennybecton]

This was a good thing to wake up to

[@Adam_X78]

Oh boy yeah!

[@battleupsaber462]

Oh boy yeah, what?

[@Adam_X78]

BattleUp Saber I was Excited to watch the video

[@justice_productions_]

BattleUp Saber Your Fucked

[@Demonstryke13]

Loved it, thanks for making the video!!!

[@LordRavensong]

91939 Batman's unlock code from the episode "A Better World" WHAT DOES IT MEEEEANNNNN

[@LordRavensong]

4 minutes. Holy balls.

[@LiamHq2022]

The date of the first batman comic

[@lucataroni9099]

Don't mind me, just waiting for a Flash DCAU movie

[@batjohnthebro3818]

I just want to say that this video helped explain SO MUCH!!! Thank you for explaining when Justice League vs The Fatal Five takes place!!!

[@bdr113080]

Another awesome vid, thanks guys!

[@dww7094]

Great video!

[@Bigmonto]

With how good these videos look surprised more nerds don’t watch them

[@thunderrobots1980s]

since we know harley quit after that encounter in the flashback , and if the dee dee twins are harleys grand children does that make knightwing their grandfather via harleys child and if this is true that would change the timeline of when batman and harley takes place and the flashback, and i think it may be true cause what would be the point of that knightwing and harley scene taking place

[@dcauwatchtower]

No

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Well, the DCAU is a place where human space stations near Jupiter and Saturn exist, so 22 bridges in Portland at the pre-2010 era makes sense in some regard. Anyways, watching this to conquer boredom, though I won't be watching the movie to finish up my personal DCAU long binge. "Epilogue" is still the better endgame point, with "Destroyer" before it. 3:09: He's still sorta right. You could say Batman Beyond (minus "Epilogue") ends at 2042, 50 years after the start of B: TAS via the year 1992. 9:20: You should see Civvie 11 and his descriptions of John Carmack. Shame we didn't get those prequel tie-in comics. The appearances of Ms. Martian, Jessica Cruz, and Star Boy beg many questions. 14:28: The possibility that, if this happened in the DCAU, these heroes would have been familiar Batman allies Zatanna, Etrigan, the Creeper, Static, and maybe even Gear also stands. I can actually believe that the DCAU Power Ring truly died in the Worlds Collide take that we never got to see. Question, is, who and what offed him, and how and why'd his ring transfer itself to Jessica? Can agree that the movie should be after "Far From Home". 19:40-19:44: NON-CANON!!! 20:01: Isn't Harley and Ivy actually set during the TNBA/Gotham Adventures tenure due to Bats wearing the Batsuit of that era, or am I misremembering? 20:07: Isn't this set on 2003? Might wanna check out 21:55: What about John Stewart going from hairy head to bald with goatee? 22:05: I still would prefer his grizzled Batman Beyond 2.0 look.

[@acegamerultragamer1532]

That thumbnail did change right? Cause it sure wasn't the same guy with the lack of hair and a sudden scarrrr.

[@dcauwatchtower]

What

[@WYKJ773]

.....just came here from young justice new season thats of ep 25 ( S4).... Which maybe more confusing but I just wanted to recap this movie & timeline & other Concepts....

[@jhd1531]

WoW! You are a huge nerd!😊 I like it & you've earned my sub! Excellent!😈

[@randomuser887]

Yay a new video

[@captcrais101]

My theory of how Joker keeps on coming back is maybe different criminals were taking up the name of the Joker or he was using the Cademus thing he did to Tim Drake to other criminals to keep on coming back from every time we think he dies.

[@Bunbaroness]

"However, as a follow up to Beechen’s run we have to accept that canonically the Joker was still active near Batman’s retirement, which doesn't work with on-screen evidence from the DCAU." Are you talking about the story Nightwing gives Terry about why he retired? Isn't it possible that he was simply lying to Terry for some reason (possibly because the real truth involved the whole thing with Batgirl getting pregnant)? Or that the Joker seen in the flashback was just an early imitator of the original Joker, possibly an early member/precursor of the Jokerz gang from Beyond? Or Clayface in disguise? My point is, that hardly seems "non-reconcilable" to me and I think it's a little unfair to knock out such a large source of potential DCAU canon without at least giving it its own Will It Canon video or something. (Also I might be remembering things wrong. Haven't read those comics in a while.)

[@dcauwatchtower]

What’s this quote from? I didn’t say this in the video. 🤔

[@Bunbaroness]

@@dcauwatchtower Oh, sorry, shoulda specified. It's in that document you linked to in the description about your rules for determining canon. Anyways. I just think it's a bit objectionable how quickly the Batman Beyond 2.0 stuff's been discarded from canon when the author was clearly a big DCAU fan who crammed in tons of intentional continuity references and stuff. Should definitely be a Will It Canon episode one day.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Oh for sure. It’ll either be a WIC or a separate video all about the Earth-12 comics.

[@comicbookexplainergamer1890]

Great job guys keep up the good work

[@BATTY3459]

Theory on how Tim Drake looks the same age in Return of the Joker flashback. Maybe somehow he got trapped in the Phantom Zone or some other dimension where time moves differently while working with the DCAU Teen Titans. So when he came out he looked the same age as when he went in even though perhaps a few years had passed

[@SpaceBronanas]

Underrated channel tbh

[@nightspark43]

I looked some things up, if we assume Static Shock takes place in NEw Jersey, the Driver Permit age of Jersey is 17. Which fixes like, a bunch of things.

[@greyworld6242]

I still have a question for the JL vs the fatal five movie and that’s were the hell was the flash during the whole thing? And weird question probably but could the Harley and Batman movie and fatal five movies respectively be their own alternate universes? Their was brief moment in jlu were we could’ve gotten a flashpoint, I’m just saying.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Nah, they’re both part of the DCAU proper. The Flash is somewhere else, really doesn’t need more of an explanation than that. They don’t go out of their way to tell us where Iron Man is every Thor movie.

[@greyworld6242]

Watchtower Database true. Wonder how different the things would’ve been if Jessica had a yellow lantern ring in the comics?

[@kimeraclan3135]

Hey, Watchtower Database guys, you have a situation on so many levels. 1. When Miss Martian transformed into Tim Drake that was only as a rebuttal towards the "I don't work with teenagers" shtick. Batman also worked with Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon. They were in college during the late 90s, sure, but Dick had to have been a teenager when he first became Robin. 2. G.L. Killowag is implied to have been Jessica Cruz's trainer. 2.1. Killowag looks nothing like his Justice League self. 2.2. Katma Tui was the G.L. trainor in the DCAU. 3. The absence of evidence is not evidence, as in there is no clear evidence to suggest that Crisis on Two Earths takes place in some form or another in the DCAU. 3.1. Firestorm and Black Lightning were gonna join the League in Crisis, but they do not exist in DCAU (they have Sole Power standing in for Black Lightning and Booster Gold for Firestorm). 3.2. Hal Jordan is G.L. instead of John Stewart. Theory One based off of points 1 and 2: This is an alternate universe of the main DCAU. Theory Two based off of point 2 only: The universe crossed over with Green Lantern the animated series, as indicated by Killowag being voiced by Kevin Michael Richardson. Theory Three: None of these two films are canon, the writers are making it up as they go along with scraped concepts.

[@galaxystudios4089]

I suggest you watch Will it Canon?

[@kimeraclan3135]

@@galaxystudios4089 Thank you for recommending that particular episode. I have watched the episode now, I don't agree with statements on either sides of the argument. However, if Timm dose not care then I quite. I'll stick defending only the strictly canon stuff.

[@NIDELLANEUM]

22:12 bald!Nightwing made me think of my dad so I had the exact same reaction

[@Grnvolpe]

my mom also types with just her index fingers, how cute

[@noaholson9047]

After seeing that how old is Batman video I want to see how old is Superman

[@michaelrhett4958]

Judging from the shirt you’re wearing in this video, I’m curious, what instrument did you play?

[@dcauwatchtower]

Trombone and baritone!

[@michaelrhett4958]

Watchtower Database that’s amazing! I play percussion in the Front ensemble aka the pit in marching band.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Band people are best people

[@michaelrhett4958]

Watchtower Database You bet! Band is always a positive unless you’re talking about the band drama. That’s an entirely different story

[@avace917]

One thing I'm surprised that you of missed was that at the end of Crisis On Two Earths, after Batman calling in "reinforcements" during the Crime Syndicate's Wonder Woman and Marvel Family's intrusion of the Watchtower, the league decides to expand. So in actuality it DOES work......except for the fact that many of those reinforcements weren't seen on JLU. But still, the IDEA works.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Well, yes. Like I said, the movie’s plot was originally meant to take place within the DCAU, before some minor alterations.

[@avace917]

Duly noted!! Lol! I love this channel!! Your editing and close ups are HYSTERICAL!! You guys piece together and analyze facts in a way that I could never imagine and I'm a virgo!!!

[@Mudkip971]

You say they could push Joker's Death's Period if they keep making content in that time period but a likely scenario could be that time travel caused changes in events. Which means the events of Batman Beyond could change. Also you say Miss Martian could have been born between 1986 and 1992 but that depends if she "actually aged". A possible scenario could be maybe a clone like Galatea cuz technically she would be younger than 10 years old but was aged artificially. Also could it be possible that Miss Martian just turned into a younger version of Tim when he was an actual teenager? (on a side note you say he doesn't look 21 in RotJ but for all we know he could be very short throughout most of his life)

[@dcauwatchtower]

Yes, the Tim 21 thing is debatable for sure. It’s his definite age by that calendar year, but whether or not he looks that age is up in the air.

[@CuddyFox]

On crises on two Earths in canon, Hal Jordan is the Green Lantern, so that means that he was a Green Lantern way before Once and Future Thing episode. That equals a timeline on Jordan before the Amazo coming back to Earth, and Jordan was not with the rest of the Green Lantern corp.

[@dcauwatchtower]

There are many reasons besides Hal Jordan why the movie doesn’t work in the DCAU: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqjWp52jZryXnLc

[@loitzenlotzen7866]

Batman is not precisely an old lonely man, in BB Superman comes to visit him and he thanked him by some favors

[@BovineDesigns]

So... What WAS that mountain that Mr. Terrific hid the Time Sphere?

[@benlewis3847]

Truly top notch stuff

[@anthony_2.0]

I'm from the year 2056

[@bkh3218]

I know I'm late to this but will there be more movies in the bruce timm-verse canon?? the final episode of JL Unlimited left us wanting more.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Nothing has been announced yet, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we get more past just “Batman and Harley Quinn” and “Justice League vs the Fatal Five”

[@nicolaswalli4722]

James might be at his "most James" in this

[@brentandrew2419]

Good video. I really think the shapeshifting into Tim was a nod to RotJ already having happened. The only wy it makes sense to me is that the flashback takes place between JL and JLU, or in 2002 (going by your math). We Know Tim is 51 in RotJ in 2040 or whatever, so it's really the last year he could possibly look that young/pre-puberty. Joker, Robin and the Bat supporting characters never reappear during JLU, so I don't think it's a stretch to say the Bruce we see there is in heavy trauma and denial and just not talking about it. (He kept being Batman, so he had to do something with his time) No matter how you slice it, anything after 2002 doesn't make sense, but I agree condensing the entire JL/JLU timeline into a couple years to fit it in makes even less sense.

[@dcauwatchtower]

I think that’s certainly one way to look at it, but it’s up to you to think it doesn’t make sense to place it after JLU 😉. The creatives have said it’s the last present day event, and almost always say a new thing that comes out is before it. Tim’s character model is a character model, Batman likely would’ve cut ties with EVERYONE after it happened, and if Miss Martian brought it up so soon? Yikes.

[@amanofculture580]

Will green lantern tas canon? I feel like it could.

[@lavalamp2344]

Nope it has has jordan

[@amanofculture580]

Kj Abtio is this sarcasm?

[@lavalamp2344]

@@amanofculture580 no its just that green lantern tas has hal jordan not Jon Stewart who is the dcau lantern

[@amanofculture580]

Kj Abtio Hal exists in the dcau. This movie confirmed it.

[@lavalamp2344]

@@amanofculture580 yes but nobody knows when and killowog is a charter in it meaning it would have to take place before 2006 and the costumes dont match up plus they never even mention Jon Stewart or the jla

[@vaggelistzanos9812]

you need to make a timeline list and include comics and games on it it will take two years and more but it is OK 😂😂

[@dcauwatchtower]

Been workin’ on it since 2011, so...correct!

[@avace917]

Something just occurred to me. Perhaps Batman says "I'm not doing this with teenagers" was said because the Return Of The Joker already happened. That may be why he took a pause before he says "point taken" to Miss Martian

[@dcauwatchtower]

Nah, Batman breaks ties with all his allies after that, and it’s at the tail-end of “present day” stories. There’s other factors too that I can’t remember off the top of my head, but that would also be a real dick move.

[@theleonpasta7336]

Batman would definetly refuse to work with Miss Martian if Return of The Joker flashback already happened. Her reminding him of it would be the nail in the head if he somehow considered it.

[@Anti-HyperLink]

Was Jessica Cruz in anything else in the DCAU? Because that character is a lot younger then most of the shows, but this is a movie that's over a year old now, so it makes sense.

[@dcauwatchtower]

She is not

[@jamesjackson6563]

Love this channel straight subscribed 😂💯👍 I really hope Bruce timm is low key about to do another series like a new Batman one how about Batman and the signal taking place before Batman beyond good video

[@zyaicob]

I appreciate the "adjacent" callback Okay so, I always saw that "point taken" scene as Megan reminding Batman that he had worked with a teenager for a while

[@dcauwatchtower]

It’s definitely possible. The movie still has to be before the RotJ flashback because of Harley’s appearance and the reference to the Joker being in Arkham. But it is possible Tim isn’t a teenager anymore at this point.

[@lordvika2526]

What was the name of the Superman animated series that had him go to the future to fight along the Justice league of the future?

[@dcauwatchtower]

You’re thinking of the “Legion of a Super Heroes” cartoon. We’re putting out a video all about the DCAU’s LoSH on Sunday!

[@lordvika2526]

@@dcauwatchtower Thank you very much for the response and the refresher for the name of the show. with the Legion of Superheros talk it made me want to binge watch the series lol

[@sixthjayhawk]

My best guess is that Fatal Five takes place sometime mid-S3 of JLU. The Justice League seems to have a headquarters on earth, which started in S3, but Kara hasn’t gone to the future yet, which was in late S3.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Who says she’s not gone to the future yet? There’s no context of that sort in the movie. If you mean because she’s not seen among the Legion in their scenes, neither is Bouncing Boy or a number of other members. When we spoke to the writer of the film, his thoughts were that she’s just off on some other mission. There wasn’t really room for her in the movie.

[@sixthjayhawk]

@@dcauwatchtower If she had gone to the future yet, you’d think someone would bring it up. Superman especially would have reason to. “Hey, my cousin Kara went to the future. Have you met her?” Also pretty sure Bouncing Boy had a display in the Legion’s Hall of Heroes or whatever when they saw Starboy’s memories. Also, J’onn hasn’t left the League to go on his walkabout yet, which is in JLU 3x04.

[@betterthanyallyns]

@@dcauwatchtower wait i thought justice league unlimited has 3 seasons but when i look at it it only has 2 the normal justice league also has 2 ik so confused

[@sixthjayhawk]

@@betterthanyallyns So, on rewatching it tonight, I still think it takes place mid-S3 of JLU. J’onn J’onzz has presumably left on his walkabout (3x04) but Supergirl hasn’t gone to the future yet (3x10). (The captions say J’onn left for Rann, but I think they mean John Stewart based on context clues.) Also, Hawkgirl apparently returned to Thanagar, which couldn’t have been until after 2x08.

[@vukodlak3962]

All the robins were teenagers at one point, Tim Drake could be currently in his 20's but she choose to take on his appearance back when he was a teenager.

[@dcauwatchtower]

True! That’s why the other two year options are still technically on the table if necessary.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

The point of Miss Martian's Robin transformation could just be that he'd worked with teenagers in the past.

[@dcauwatchtower]

This is definitely a possibility, which is why we have the fallback of those other two dates if necessary.

[@ItsOver9000Productions]

top notch again guys!

[@bradenhogan2]

Bruce Timm: “JL vs FF probably takes place 1 or 3 years after JLU.” Me: “Ohhh ok that sounds good!” WdB: “Whoah now, let’s not forget about Bruce Timm’s track record with time!”

[@dcauwatchtower]

Hey, he’s not wrong! The bulk of the movie does take place over a year after JLU.

[@mr.no-to-body8121]

Overall, i think JL v FF is a bit more easier dcau thing to deal with on putting it in the timeline. (But what dcau thing could make matty to disappear and cause a will it canon episode of extremeness?) (#keepepilogueasercret, keependgameasecret)

[@R_eagan]

Great video.

[@mysteriousmrocd8384]

Am I crazy? Or was there not an episode in Batman the Animated Series where it shows a picture of Thomas and Martha Wayne, below which says the year 1910 or something. They’re young in the picture so it was before Bruce was born but would that not suggest that Bruce was born in the 30s or 40s? I wish I could remember the name of the episode but I’m most likely wrong.

[@rustyryan827]

Is Gen 13 1998 dc animated movie apart of the dc animated universe because the animation style is very similar

[@dcauwatchtower]

Hadn’t heard of it until you brought it up. We’ll look into it!

[@azrael6678ify]

Love this video. Watching in eugene Oregon