Justice: The Philosophy of Zamasu

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Zamasu is one of my favorite villains in all of Dragon Ball, and also one of the most misunderstood by the fandom...
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00:00 Introduction
01:25 The Tea Scenes
02:32 The Mortal Cycle
03:43 The Ideological Shift (Meeting Goku)
06:39 The Planet Babari
10:02 The Ideology Explained
13:46 Does Zamasu Betray His Ideology? (Biblical Parallels)
19:15 Conclusions
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@izebel_9578
@izebel_9578 Жыл бұрын
I think the problem with the balance between the Kais and the Destroyers is that most destroyers don’t actually do their job. At least it seems that way. Beerus sleeping for millions of years, and destroying things on a whim, like if the food tastes good. That and his own Kai fearing him seems to imply that the Kai’s and Destroyers aren’t actual equals. Most of the Destroyers seem to just enjoy luxurious lives rather than seeking out failing’s planets. So I could see how Zamasu would rather take the role of destruction in his own hands, since the ones assigned to the job don’t do it.
@MasterKnightDH
@MasterKnightDH 9 ай бұрын
Oh, Rumoosh does do his job. He just doesn't place healthy value in intelligence. "Think with your muscles", wut. Because clearly we can develop interesting harmonic societies without addressing potential concerns that would require awareness and innovation. Kusu also overencourages him, which doesn't exactly help. Not that Zamasu is exactly coming up with the correct answers. But All King knows I know where he is coming from because of paperwork clogging.
@YoutubeJankles
@YoutubeJankles 8 ай бұрын
I wish Zamasu would come back and beat up Champa and Beerus until they finally do their jobs
@ankanpradhan9724
@ankanpradhan9724 Ай бұрын
God of destruction is opposite of Supreme Kai
@Sweet_Z_Official
@Sweet_Z_Official 21 күн бұрын
​@@KZbinJankles Not gonna happen
@oflameo8927
@oflameo8927 Жыл бұрын
Zamasu taking Goku's body and therefore his protagonist plot armor was a master stroke. It ensures he will always come back in the multiverse.
@lonewolfgamingplus379
@lonewolfgamingplus379 Жыл бұрын
Goku's thirst for fighting and excitement for combat ensures that Black will be there.
@kingbeast4914
@kingbeast4914 Жыл бұрын
What Plot Armor? He Won Through Planning?
@glacialblast2588
@glacialblast2588 Жыл бұрын
@@kingbeast4914 It's a joke, Zamasu took the body of the protagonist and the joke is that he took his plot armor too
@kingbeast4914
@kingbeast4914 Жыл бұрын
@@glacialblast2588 But Goku Doesn’t Have Plot Armor Though 🤔🙃
@literally-nobody242
@literally-nobody242 Жыл бұрын
@@kingbeast4914 every mc has plot amour
@imnadult
@imnadult 9 ай бұрын
There's actually a few things I never noticed. I think it's interesting how Zamasu looks at the Barbari people as these barbaric brutes and then cuts one in half. Then at the end of his arc he becomes a barbaric brute and gets cut in half
@MasterKnightDH
@MasterKnightDH 9 ай бұрын
Zamasu looked into the abyss for too long. And when the abyss looked back, he blinked.
@StevenJones851
@StevenJones851 6 ай бұрын
Zamasu went insane
@StevenJones851
@StevenJones851 6 ай бұрын
@@MasterKnightDH that's very deep
@rovernvercet
@rovernvercet 4 ай бұрын
Irony
@CTpng
@CTpng 4 ай бұрын
and thern multiplies
@j.i.k2.044
@j.i.k2.044 Жыл бұрын
I ve always held the minority view that Goku Black/Zamasu is Dragon Balls best written villain next to Cell for all the reasons mentioned in this video. Great work, consider me subscribed 🙌🙌
@michaelasnicar6684
@michaelasnicar6684 Жыл бұрын
how is cell a well written character or even better than frieza
@tbone2416
@tbone2416 Жыл бұрын
​@@michaelasnicar6684That jawline don't lie,and neither do I
@yaboiheadnappy
@yaboiheadnappy Жыл бұрын
Baby and omega shenron were good too
@thatonedude
@thatonedude Жыл бұрын
​@@yaboiheadnappy baby is so good
@yaboiheadnappy
@yaboiheadnappy Жыл бұрын
Now I think about it, wasn't goku black/zamasu our only villain's in super?
@Naruku2121
@Naruku2121 Жыл бұрын
It is kinda funny, people use to think Kais were weak and useless and they should do more in the DB world. Then Zamasu pulls up and actually does do something...By going from one logical extreme to another. Not saying I sympathize with him, but let's just say he is most definitely the most *proactive* Kai, no one can take that from him.
@kachiedits6231
@kachiedits6231 Жыл бұрын
I mean he really isn't lol he quite literally does the exact opposite of what a kai is supposed to do meaning he completely rejected his role and is just doing what he wants and disrupted the hierarchy of the gods by killing all the Supreme kais which also killed the God's of destruction he's trying to do a destroyers job and even then he's not doing that right as his goal is to destroy all mortals, the destroyers and the Kai's exsist to balance the universe by creating and destroying all in harmony and order and zamasu tipped the balance and only brought destruction, zamasu is not a proactive kai as he isn't even doing a kai's job Hes quite literally the worst kai in all of existence lol
@temporalCaster
@temporalCaster Жыл бұрын
That's kinda not a good thing though, the people complaining about the Kais being passive are misunderstanding the role of the Kai. They're supposed to create, then watch over and occasionally influence mortals. Their Active counterparts are the Destroyers, making Zamasu more comparable to Beerus than Gowasu
@Naruku2121
@Naruku2121 Жыл бұрын
@@temporalCaster Well as I said, by no means it's a good thing. It's just so surreal to think about a Kai for once actually takes matters in his own hands and this is the result: Causing one extreme to another. That in a round about way he achieved his goal, forcing Zeno's hand he caused him to wipe out an entire timeline's worth of mortals Future Trunks and Mai notwithstanding. Just it also by extension included Zamasu as well, so in a way some poetic justice of having two separate versions of himself to be wiped out by other godly beings.
@adolforamos9518
@adolforamos9518 Жыл бұрын
the most proactive ones as you said would be the Grand Supreme Kai and the kaioshin of the universes exempt from the tournament of power given they were the one actually doing what needed to be done without interfering with the universe all that much
@oZhev
@oZhev Жыл бұрын
​@@kachiedits6231 maybe so about being a kai. But the philosophical approach about conflict and war was a good one. When talking about greed and selfishness you sometimes need a big reset button. And sometimes it should be forcefully so if i might add.
@RA-si9bq
@RA-si9bq Жыл бұрын
This is such a great video. Much better than most dragon ball analysis videos from most popular dragon ball KZbinrs
@KingPhoniexHere
@KingPhoniexHere Жыл бұрын
Better than seth the programer?
@RA-si9bq
@RA-si9bq Жыл бұрын
@@KingPhoniexHere Yes I don't support creeps
@KingPhoniexHere
@KingPhoniexHere Жыл бұрын
@@RA-si9bq bruh have you even watched him you must gotten him mixed up with someone else 💀
@thatonedude
@thatonedude Жыл бұрын
​@@KingPhoniexHere kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIHOlIuio519hpI
@thatonedude
@thatonedude Жыл бұрын
​@@KingPhoniexHere I don't think he is wrong. Interesting.
@ajxx9987
@ajxx9987 Жыл бұрын
Well in the end he achieved his goal... There are no mortals in zamasu's timeline anymore
@TheDeepThinker-sq3iy
@TheDeepThinker-sq3iy Жыл бұрын
...or. . anything. . . . . . . This is a good definition of overkill.
@ajxx9987
@ajxx9987 Жыл бұрын
@@TheDeepThinker-sq3iy he won
@danpatrickth2759
@danpatrickth2759 11 ай бұрын
Amen
@royalty843
@royalty843 11 ай бұрын
​@@ajxx9987not really....recall, Zeno from trunks timeline can never be defeated thus wiping out all of trunks timeline. Whis did a temporal do over to restore trunks timeline with 2 versions of trunks and Mai.
@RetroShark360
@RetroShark360 10 ай бұрын
​@@royalty843i don't think you understand. Zamasu won, he destroyed the main timeline and it will never be fixed. Yes whis did a do over and saved different timlines however the main timeline will never be restored. So he won in one
@johnman8398
@johnman8398 Жыл бұрын
This is a great look at zamasu, I'd just love to see you do one on jiren as I feel he's also very misunderstood as a character.
@PlanetLevelDB
@PlanetLevelDB Жыл бұрын
I actually do have a Jiren Philosophy video planned! Good guess :)
@alienz1049
@alienz1049 Жыл бұрын
@@PlanetLevelDB Whens it coming out? jiren is a really sick chararcter and im interested in looking at that video
@PlanetLevelDB
@PlanetLevelDB Жыл бұрын
I would assume later this year maybe this Summer :)
@superexclusive452
@superexclusive452 Жыл бұрын
@@PlanetLevelDB look at manga Jiren for greater reference. He’s the better version of the character imo
@dragon_ball_sucks_video
@dragon_ball_sucks_video Жыл бұрын
​@@PlanetLevelDB why did you compare the great zamasu to the fraud that is Jesus?
@analyticofexistance7847
@analyticofexistance7847 5 ай бұрын
In my opinion, Zamazu just had the wrong teacher. If he were trained to be a destroyer, I think he would have become very successful in restructuring the cycle of mortals. Eliminating treats to species that use their abilities wisely, while eliminating species that only cause problems. He would have been a great destroyer. Edit: I wrote this comment about 40% through the video, and I'm surprised we came to the same conclusion.
@RichDXtreme247
@RichDXtreme247 Жыл бұрын
Hold on, this brings in a new thought that hasn't occurred to me before. With Zamasu's hatred for mortals, how the hell did he not connect the dots that the current Gods of Destruction were previously mortals themselves before earning their spot in the godly hierarchy? Like Kais, the GOD apprentices would have to learn more about the complexities of the universes and divine laws more than they ever knew before with the help of the angels and their GOD teachers. I mean, considering that the time the concept was new when Toppo was first introduced in the Exhibition Tournament for the TOP. Zamasu would be so pissed that mortals have a use for worthiness in the divine hierarchy thanks to the Grand Priest and Zeno.
@leultrainstinct406
@leultrainstinct406 11 ай бұрын
zamasu doesn’t only hate mortals. He hates gods too because off their inaction. whether it’s kais for being forced to watch, or gods of destruction for being lazy beerus is the perfect example. and the fact that they started off as mortals only helps his point even more.
@boredomkiller99
@boredomkiller99 11 ай бұрын
​@@leultrainstinct406Basically Zamusu was sick of everyone's bs
@dreamcream3738
@dreamcream3738 10 ай бұрын
That's the thing; Destroyers have earned their godly status. They went through the proper channels and were promoted. It's all about rank.
@RichDXtreme247
@RichDXtreme247 10 ай бұрын
@@dreamcream3738 In gamer terms: Zamasu is the toxic player who played online using his veteran relative’s online account (Gowasu) in a multiplayer game and complains how people cheat their way to the top ranks on matchmaking (GOD’s/Angels/Zeno) when he feels he deserves the number 1 ranking spot out of arrogance and jealousy and would curse anybody out if they beat him in a match (Goku). However, he didn’t know the high rank players are also ESports competitors. So he decides to hack the account (Goku Black) to steal the high rank for himself so he can ruin everyone’s fun by being a online hacker.
@stc_void
@stc_void 10 ай бұрын
@@RichDXtreme247 WHY DOES THAT WORK AS AN EXPLANATION LMAO
@notbadsanta
@notbadsanta Жыл бұрын
This is such a well-made video with a lot of thought put into it. This is a perfect explanation of Zamasu and his ideology and motivations.
@monkeycrimson6087
@monkeycrimson6087 Жыл бұрын
none of this would have happened if zamasu looked at the yardratians instead of a race known for their barbaric nature and then he proceeds to say ALL mortals are like that 💀💀
@Gmxyz883
@Gmxyz883 Жыл бұрын
Fr it’s like looking at one black person from the hood and saying all black people act like that ☠️
@coolbeans3752
@coolbeans3752 Жыл бұрын
​@@Gmxyz883 That's me
@FrogBoi11
@FrogBoi11 Жыл бұрын
@@Gmxyz883 mb
@LowResCatExplosion
@LowResCatExplosion Жыл бұрын
Gowasu didn't have faith in nominative determinism "I'll take my apprentice to planet Ba(r)bari full of people called Ba(r)barians" "Oh shit they're all violent! 🤯"
@64kingarthur
@64kingarthur Жыл бұрын
Yeah, as if that was already the sole reason for his hate for mortals. His bio already says he already had disdain for mortals right at the start of his appearance in the series. More or less because of the fact that he himself was a Kai. Thousands of years of observing mortal nonsense just practically ate away his patience for them.
@jacobhafar538
@jacobhafar538 Жыл бұрын
Zamasu is the best example of DBS having great potential but wasting it. I fully believe this is how Zamasu was written, but the show could have conveyed it much better
@adeleinetheartist8267
@adeleinetheartist8267 Жыл бұрын
Can you please elaborate? Zamasu is not a one-dimensional bad guy. He is a three-dimensional complex villain who sincerely believes that what he does is right, but it doesn't change the fact that Dragon Ball Super is actually poorly written.
@jacobhafar538
@jacobhafar538 Жыл бұрын
@@adeleinetheartist8267 You just said exactly what I did my guy. The show is poorly written so good concepts that should work great like Zamasu here get wasted.
@adeleinetheartist8267
@adeleinetheartist8267 Жыл бұрын
@@jacobhafar538 Yeah, but how good concepts like Zamasu get wasted in Dragon Ball Super? Is the execution of Zamasu flawed?
@jacobhafar538
@jacobhafar538 Жыл бұрын
@@adeleinetheartist8267 Yeah, very. A lot of what was covered in this video was only really glossed over. I just think they could have done a better job actually conveying Zamasu’s ideology. I still think he’s some of the best the show has to offer, but he’s held back by the staffs’ schedule same as everything else
@adeleinetheartist8267
@adeleinetheartist8267 Жыл бұрын
@@jacobhafar538 Yeah, that's right.
@Blopusanian
@Blopusanian Жыл бұрын
It is nuts that if Zamasu started his plan pre DBS he would have won and the cosmos would have been his utopia until Zeno eventually got rid of him.
@gokan73
@gokan73 Жыл бұрын
Fr
@Mr.Memes2101
@Mr.Memes2101 Жыл бұрын
It seems like Zamasu was 100% a good man. It’s just that lost in confusion he was troubled by what the mortals can do/did.
@PlanetLevelDB
@PlanetLevelDB Жыл бұрын
It's interesting to think about if Gods would work under the same morality we do. If you create a bunch of AI and have them interact, is it immoral to delete them all? Hard to say.
@Mr.Memes2101
@Mr.Memes2101 Жыл бұрын
@@PlanetLevelDB yeah. His perspective of whats good and whats not is extremely strong. He is quite defensive and passionate about what he says.
@adeleinetheartist8267
@adeleinetheartist8267 Жыл бұрын
@Memeversal Zamasu is a bad man. He hates mortals, and his heart was filled with hatred. Zamasu is not a good guy, and hate is bad.
@PoopieFartGamer
@PoopieFartGamer Жыл бұрын
@@adeleinetheartist8267he was a good guy who got clouding due to confusion
@adeleinetheartist8267
@adeleinetheartist8267 Жыл бұрын
@@PoopieFartGamer No, he was a bad man, Judging ny his actions, it is clear that he is a bad person.
@DouglasStewart99
@DouglasStewart99 Жыл бұрын
Wow, this is a pretty cool perspective of my favorite Super villain's philosophy! It honestly made me look at Zamasu in a whole new way. Planet out here making a really detailed essay video for why Zamasu's great, and meanwhile my reasons for loving Zamasu is the fact that he's a hammy, *powerful,* Supreme Kai with a god complex (despite you know, already *being* a god) who stole the mc's body and used it's powers for himself plot armor and all!
@joinme5560
@joinme5560 Жыл бұрын
Honestly? Dude, this is amazing. You actually managed to reconstruct my view on Zamasu and whole DBS in general with this esse. Dragon Ball can be deeper than just space fights and I'm all here for it. Funny enough, had he achieved his goals, Zamasu probably wouldn't be.... happy. As he slowly can come to realization, that no mortals mean empty universe, all gods creations are stuck in a static, almost lifeless state. Like a gallery of a beautiful statues in a dust covered garden. Kinda tragic
@awesierra704
@awesierra704 2 ай бұрын
It's the tragic endpoint of Zamasu's philosophy. The crusade to not just destroy evil, but destroy the capacity for evil, would leave the universes lifeless and vacant. A galactic art gallery witnessed by no one, forever stagnant, in which no further evil nor good could occur.
@seveb642
@seveb642 10 ай бұрын
I love how they really did let him win. They actually let a villain win for once. Of course they had to end it somehow but by only the intervention of the most powerful being in the show. He still beat the main characters.
@ripleyandweeds1288
@ripleyandweeds1288 Жыл бұрын
I feel like the anime, as much as I love what it did with Zamasu, made him too sympathetic in a way. The manga version of Zamasu was _always_ a psychopath who hated mortals, and while again I like his anime incarnation; I do think his manga self is far more threatening, and his interactions with Goku Black are more interesting with how they constantly bicker and show off how unstable Zamasu can be emotionally.
@Floppameen
@Floppameen 10 ай бұрын
Zamasu is such a unique villain in the dragon ball universe. I don’t hear much people talk about him or mention him but i’d say he is one of the best things to come out of supers creation.
@Chonken_
@Chonken_ 4 ай бұрын
the Zamasu in the other timelines/parellel worlds: 🗿
@DamiesEvilTwin
@DamiesEvilTwin 9 ай бұрын
I feel like Zamasu was failed by his mentor(s), nobody tried to speak to him on his level and only spoke on their own. It makes me think a bit about how parents and children will often conflict due to this same thing. Of course the older Kai sees things differently, he's lived a whole life of experience that Zamasu hasn't. In the same way, parents get frustrated and fight with children. You have to reframe things in ways the other will understand, to find a common ground to stand on so you're giving your points more understandably. Not only that, but the lack of this effort has led Gowasu to have no clue about what's coming to him. Something I always think of when it comes to perspectives and figuring out where to bridge the gap, is a study they did about how and why kids get hit by cars. I think it was specific to a city, I don't remember, but at one point they actually came down to the kids' level - physically - and realized the "beautification" of the city by installing hedges, fancy furniture, art, etc along the roads wound up with NONE of the kids being able to see oncoming traffic very well, AND the kids being HIDDEN to drivers until the worst happened. Everything was too big for kids to see over and obscured kids from being seen themselves. The city itself was built with adults in mind, not kids, and as a result a lot of kids were hurt or killed; nobody thought to ask whether this was something that affected visibility of and for children. So, perspective. If someone had just been more observant and made themselves more communicative to Zamasu, they might have placed him properly as a destroyer and had him using his ideas in a constructive manner.
@MasterKnightDH
@MasterKnightDH 9 ай бұрын
Both sides having a point here. I will still say that Zamasu made his own choices to be a sadist at multiple moments and that leaves him being a rabid hound needing to be put down, but I'll agree that he's not the only idiot involved in this mess. I agree fully that he'd have been better cast as a Destroyer even if he would likely have needed to be provided advice on who needs to be subjected to the sanctioned execution, not a Creator who shouldn't harbor ideas about culling any mortals even if it's over something like a broken cycle. He's more miscasted than the Universe 9 deities, and that's saying something. I think Rumoosh is the most at blame, possibly aside from Zamasu himself and that's WITH Zamasu, again, making his own choices even if he IS being a Complete Monster that way. I would be saying that with just the context of Rumoosh's team member selection for the Tournament of Power, and it's because that shows how Rumoosh values the body so much and not the mind. His answer to Goku the known and proven combat specialist is to throw brute force at the problem. Uh, okay, Rumoosh, it's not like area of effect attacking is an existing concept. When U10 had TWO fliers and they both dropped quickly and through absolutely humiliating circumstances, suffice to say that Rumoosh didn't teach them to keep their brains on. We could only guess what "Mortal Level" coming from his omnipotence was really referring to, although the Secret Test Of Character business for the Tournament of Power does in fact suggest it would be involving civilization quality, as in the ability to have something like Capsule Corp quality be standardized or look like a joke, but bear with me, I'm wishing to make my point about why U10 would fail the standard on ANY definition of it. What I'm pointing out is that Rumoosh undoubtedly had intelligence take a back seat in criteria for which planets to spare. His doing so is faulty by design. We can note that Goku even as a kid has had his moments of brightness, one notable instance being how he beats Terror and Plague. We are seeing that Rumoosh is less intelligent than a young Goku, and his having his Destroyer power only gives way to his complacency. I believe there's implication that Rumoosh straight up kills anybody who challenges his rule, but this is self-destructive, when nobody would dare test the notion of trying to beat him in a fair fight because of the penalty for losing being erasure, and it leads to anybody wanting to show they could do the job better needing to resort to shortcuts and bypasses. That kind of sounds familiar with Zamasu using the SDBs and targeting Creators rather than Destroyers for keeping any Destroyers from doing anything to him. But as has been said by a wise old man in another piece of media, sometimes shortcuts lead to dead ends, and it's worth noting how said piece of media was involving this by having a kid character basically wish for being the smartest person in the locale, which was granted by everybody else in the locale being made dumber, to damaging effect until that was fixed. I think we can see how butchering standards doesn't work, and we are seeing a similar concept with Rumoosh: he's the Destroyer in U10 by having nobody capable of challenging him and anybody who tries innately risking their mere existence, an innate gamble with everything involved. What he says goes and U10 ends up in a paradox from that: meathead bloat in a glorified genital measuring contest that he rigs. We can see how U10's team was so full of idiots, sadists, and rejects, with a good number of their members, including the leader Murichim, falling out without fanfare. And this is just with combat stuff and such. Civilizations are built to allow for improving on given aspects for improving health and happiness, and even allowing for training without any of the more critical problems. Capsule Corp itself shows at minimum a good idea of how this works out by being designed around advanced carry capsules for plenty of conveniences, while still sparing some of its resources building things like gravity rooms and power containing force fields. I'd like to know where that is on Planet Babari, a place that Zamasu describes as "no outlier." I can point out that even workhorse jobs like food farming and structure construction, as more actively involved in physical labor than a job involving the likes of computers and technology in general as they are, involve accounting for hiccups (certainly with food farming where I know pesticides find use) and stabilizing the design. I was barely seeing the campfire creation from the Babarians, and I find myself wondering why Gowasu was so excited with only that in a 1000 year time jump. The only credit I'll give to the Babarians is that at least they're genuinely dumb enough to not know right from wrong and thus wouldn't involve somebody like Magnus "Mangs" Hestveen (look up "Mangs and July 2020" if you're curious on that mess, and that video doesn't even mention about Mangs abusing a custom weapon feature to name an axe "r4pe"), and considering I blatantly main Skyscraper Club in Kid Icarus Uprising and yet I'm more interested in bodyguarding, guidance provision, and earned admiration, I can say that points like these are why the only thing I'm calling Zamasu out on is what he's doing with his annoyance, not his correct assessment that the Babarians suck. Why is Rumoosh favoring the likes of the Babarians blatantly? That's just asking for colored perceptions. I will at least say that Obuni is proof of how shortsighted Zamasu's goals are. Not an idiot? Obuni uses a technique that confounds his opponent enough to guarantee hit-evade advantage bloat, simultaneously implying him to be a Cavalry type who could snipe the inevitably Artillery types who would be the biggest threat to Heavy Infantry that U10 would fit as. Check Not a sadist? He was fighting for the survival of his family, so check. Not a reject? He pressured Gohan enough to where Gohan had to prove himself smart enough in his own right by tanking the aforementioned technique for cross-counters and capitalizing upon Obuni's eventual lethargy from exhaustion and damage to trap and checkmate him, so check. We can say that Obuni is a diamond in the rough, true, though he's proving that even in Universe 10, not all mortals were going to have excessive problems. Clean your soil, U10, so that somebody like pre-Start Of Darkness Zamasu can notice more of the likes of Obuni far more easily before they commit to unwelcome ideas. Not that Zamasu is blameless at the point where he's overly serious and too close-minded while being able to Universe-hop already and could be doing that to go to, say, Universe 3. His ideas are built off of shockingly similar concepts to what I outlined Rumoosh to want as well, so we can call Zamasu a willing product of his Universe come his earlier attempt at empathy and understanding getting itself twisted so horribly into an unrecognizable mess. But good All King, can we get so much explanation off of Rumoosh's own issues. So yeah, lot of blame to go around.
@DamiesEvilTwin
@DamiesEvilTwin 9 ай бұрын
@@MasterKnightDH Damn dude, that's a LOT of text you dumped here. But I agree, you make very valid points.
@ROTTERDXM
@ROTTERDXM Жыл бұрын
The essence of metafiction, comparing cosmologies. Thanks chief, you are creating something beautiful. I have this same thing with Dune and Amber and Planescape. I absofreakinglove what you are doing. A true philosopher. Please draw in 40k as well into your mental system. Thank you for this, it's extremely mentally stimulating.
@whiteraven1992
@whiteraven1992 Жыл бұрын
Goku Black has always remained my favorite new villain introduced by Super (and by extension, I can count Zamasu as well). I'd definitely agree that he is Super's best-written villain.
@muigokublack6487
@muigokublack6487 10 ай бұрын
I would agree up to a point. When he comes Infinite Zamasu he becomes more or less unhinged. A true cosmic horror. If you ask me, whatever remained of Zamasu's ideology died when he was sliced in two. What was left was a monster whose sole desire was the eradication of everything.
@UrNotThatGuyPal1212
@UrNotThatGuyPal1212 11 ай бұрын
I wish that they had saved Zamasu till the end of super. I think that he makes for a perfect final villain and his motives are super cool too. I also liked that the Z fighters could just overpower him like they usually do with other villains so a lot more creativity could have been incorporated if given a little more time and care. He holds a lot more personal beef with the main characters than most new villains in Super or even some in Z. He killed Goku's family in his own body and killed almost all humans in trunk's future timeline for example. Vegita didn't really have any real beef with him but they could have done more with the Saiyan Pride, leaned more into vegita mocking Zamasu or lecturing him on what it means to be a saiyan or even a mortal and make him question his motives and push him even further depending on how it's done. Could be an interesting way of fighting Zamasu instead of just simply overpowering him than calling in zeno at the end. I know a lot of the stuff I said did happen but i feel like the creators were just playing around with ideas and concepts and not actually using any of them. I feel like Zamasu was a really good chance to have a villain be connected with all the Z-fighters on a personal level and really push against each others ideologies to come out on top instead of just using brute force.
@GamefreakRX
@GamefreakRX 8 ай бұрын
The problem with Zamasu that does make him evil was his willingness to bring pain and suffering during his plan. Particularly shown during his time on Earth in future trunk's timeline. He is not an exterminator attacking the nest. He is a child with a magnifying glass torturing ants. He could have destroyed the planet at any time but he chose instead to be a boogey man and chase fleeing innocents around.
@bensoncheung2801
@bensoncheung2801 5 ай бұрын
My brain straight up blotted this point out before you said it, so it’s nice that you’ve brought notice to it.
@PankitoEmiya
@PankitoEmiya 5 ай бұрын
But isnt destroying the planet against his ideology All he wants gone is mortals so it makes sense that he would go only for humans Also him bieng in the body of a mortal may have made him partly flawed as goku black
@Isotolerant
@Isotolerant 3 ай бұрын
​​@@PankitoEmiyayeah but even at that, he chooses to laugh at trunks and "spare" him to just torture and kill him later rather than blitz every human alive impassively
@PankitoEmiya
@PankitoEmiya 3 ай бұрын
@@Isotolerant thats his flaw from mortality
@life_is_a_myth
@life_is_a_myth 12 күн бұрын
​@@IsotolerantOr wish the Mortals away with the Super Dragon Balls.
@RAVENVROSE
@RAVENVROSE 6 ай бұрын
Like Thanos, Zamasu was heavily misunderstood. While to others who saw him as a villain, he was a hero in his own story. Zamasu is a complex character and that's what i like about him. On the surface, he seems like generic villain 47 but when taking a step back and looking deeper, there is where his character lies. Also it is funny when i see ppl talking about how villainous he is for killing mortals but never noticed he only destroyed cities yet his cabin is surrounded by a beautiful, untouched woodland area.
@theblah4341
@theblah4341 Жыл бұрын
I've been binging your stuff and JUST noticed how small your channel is. I was pretty surprised considering the quality of your content, keep goin' man, you've earned yourself a sub!
@thorzap1374
@thorzap1374 Жыл бұрын
Really it's the end of the arc that kills it. It's masterfully done until the last moment when Whis sends Trunks to a new timeline. Personally, I would've kept the ending that the timeline was destroyed to serve as a bitter reminder of what can happen when a god, by force, misuses their power and rises above their station. Also, this would've kept Future Trunks on as a character going forward which would've been awesome.
@KopperNeoman
@KopperNeoman Жыл бұрын
Bring Xenoverse into the main timeline I say: Whis sent Future Trunks to Toki Toki City (after a bit)
@ToyJamy
@ToyJamy Жыл бұрын
This was pretty informative will have to recommend this to my friend who keeps asking about dbs
@PokemonProfessorNebula
@PokemonProfessorNebula Жыл бұрын
"They take what they want by Savage Force, their so-called society is based on nothing else." *does the same thing for his own society*
@masternabber5560
@masternabber5560 Жыл бұрын
2 wrongs don't make a right lol
@PokemonProfessorNebula
@PokemonProfessorNebula Жыл бұрын
@@masternabber5560 Literally and metaphorically, they fused 2 wrongs to make an even bigger problem lmfao
@masternabber5560
@masternabber5560 Жыл бұрын
@@PokemonProfessorNebula Exactly
@gokufromfortnite5600
@gokufromfortnite5600 Жыл бұрын
it's cool how a lot of this takes some deeper thought and introspections, Zamasu isn't inherently wrong here. If you take it face value from say the Anime which is generally in the heroes perspective Zamasu comes off as a raving lunatic with no actual plan which makes sense because this guy killed millions and plans to kill trillions so they don't care to think or make sense about his motives
@lonewolfgamingplus379
@lonewolfgamingplus379 Жыл бұрын
He reminds me a lot of Ozymandis from Watchmen.
@adens97
@adens97 Жыл бұрын
Crazy you don't have more subscribers, the videos are very high quality, and you have interesting takes on each subject. Hope to see more videos by you 👍
@charlesalexander7936
@charlesalexander7936 Жыл бұрын
Even though this video is amazingly well thought out even after watching in full. Justice much like Good is obsolete and objective not subjective, to kill a child is wrong but to bake a pie for a widow is good. Justice in Zamasu’s twisted narcissistic mind and misinterpretation of Gowasu’s teachings is the very form of Zamasu carrying wrongful action for his own feelings and not the greater good, his view of Goku traveling with the Gods is also skewed from his former idea rather than appreciating that a mortal could become a God and maybe realize his mistaken thoughts. Zamasu instead grows in anger maybe in envy that he must be a Kai where Goku could potentially be asked to be a Destroyer (which has happened) Zamasu is although wrong in his own ideology a hypocrite and a very misinformed and misinterpreted idealist disagreeing with his master who has no jurisdiction over destroying the planet. As a Kai he is wrong and as a God in his own way he was also wrong.
@lqgjack9520
@lqgjack9520 Жыл бұрын
This video is 100% factual. No mistake. King of content.
@spinozilla2421
@spinozilla2421 Жыл бұрын
eh there is one mistake, 6:23 zamasu universe wasn’t threatened by Goku during the Battle of Gods arc with his battle with Beerus, zamasu from Universe 10 while Goku from Universe 7
@darknessreborn2608
@darknessreborn2608 Жыл бұрын
​@@spinozilla2421 that's exactly what I was gonna comment
@kingbeast4914
@kingbeast4914 Жыл бұрын
Also On 12:20 He Said Zamasu Was Already The Strongest Of The Kais Which Isn’t True Until He Gets Goku’s Body And Goes Rosè Or When He Fuses. Before That He Was Just The Most Skilled Kai We Knew. And Became A Stronger Kai Because Of It. As Far As I Know In Power Universe 7 Late South Kai May Be A Bit Stronger And If Not I Still Think The Late Grand Supreme Kai Of Universe 7 Was Stronger.
@spinozilla2421
@spinozilla2421 Жыл бұрын
@@kingbeast4914 no he defiantly one of the strongest, the Kai from universe 7 are no where near his lvl of power and Goku is now leagues above where he is was from the buu arc. South kai lost to Kid buu a galaxy destroyer while present Zamasu held is own to a sjj2 Goku (Future zamasu is able to hold his own with Blu goku) who has power of from super sayian god power from BOG abosrb into his base and couple of power lvl increase along the way, this Goku would one shot Kid Buu or anyone like Buuhan or Vegito from the buu arc with little effort. The only one who could be argue stronger is the Late Grand Supreme Kai cuase of Moro but we don’t know how strong he and Moro where back in the day other then him using massive portion of his power to seal away Moro’s magic rendering him powerless and Supreme Kai Weaken.
@kingbeast4914
@kingbeast4914 Жыл бұрын
@@spinozilla2421 There’s No Evidence That Implies He’s Beyond Stronger Than All Of U7’s Kais Just Shin As Goku Says And Only Knows Of Him Through Fighting Capability And Shin Was Already Known As The Weakest Among Them. South Kai And Kid Buu Are About SSJ3 Level In The Buu Saga. Goku Is Known Through Out All Of Super To Drastically Hold Back And It Was A Sparring Match Which Demonstrated Zamasu Fighting Skills And Full-Power But Not All His Technique Or Having Bloodlust. And There’s Poor Dialogue From Whis That Implies Goku Was Only In SSJ. Zamasu Naturally Is Galaxy Level And Nothing More. The Only Trait I Find That Made Him Go Toe-Toe With A SSJB Level Is His Invincibility\ Immortality as much in the Black Arc fighting Are lots plot-holes. (Especially SSJ2 Trunks fighting SSJ Rosè Goku Black)
@jbru1479
@jbru1479 Жыл бұрын
Great video, in my headcannon fused zamasu was the hardest and tuffest villan in dragon ball
@LaZonaDiRin3743
@LaZonaDiRin3743 Жыл бұрын
I believe Zamasu had a superficial and wrong view on mortals based on a simple human concept like good/evil and right/wrong looking more at the latter than the former, are that Gurren Lagann and Jojo exploring the positive aspects of humans is proof that Zamasu he is wrong. P.S Thanos plan was stupid, overpopulation isn't a problem, resources are for everyone, simply aren't distributed correctly.
@Xx_SuperPenis_xX
@Xx_SuperPenis_xX Жыл бұрын
That's why i think thanos is the bad he is stupid he is the mad titan for a reason
@EmptyMan000
@EmptyMan000 Жыл бұрын
He wasn't basing it on human concepts. He was basing it on what HE saw as just for the world and what was impure.
@shinji1264
@shinji1264 Жыл бұрын
And what makes you right?
@senecabuchanan
@senecabuchanan Жыл бұрын
This is honestly such a wonderful analysis of my top favourite Dragon Ball antagonist
@yellowcloud6332
@yellowcloud6332 7 ай бұрын
used this video to write my college essay thanks
@CRSA95
@CRSA95 Жыл бұрын
my personal favorite character hes always my goto example to defend super keep up the good uploads 👍
@ShatteredYT
@ShatteredYT Жыл бұрын
W VIDEO INSANE QUALITY HOW ARE YOU NOT AT 100K? KEEP POSTING I LOVE THIS ANALYSIS CONTENT
@jakeniclaz5393
@jakeniclaz5393 Жыл бұрын
I now have a new appreciation for Zamasu´s character
@Spore_Money
@Spore_Money Жыл бұрын
Damn this is a good in depth analysis. You deserve way more attention for content of this caliber 🙏
@naterinehart6917
@naterinehart6917 Жыл бұрын
This video deserves so many more likes, absolute fire.
@deductedchimp8308
@deductedchimp8308 Жыл бұрын
Always like to see my favorite villain getting some love. You got yourself a sub.
@factandsuspicionpodcast2727
@factandsuspicionpodcast2727 Жыл бұрын
This was very well written and genuinely thought provoking. It's the best anime video essay I've seen in a long time. We'll done!
@riiddisbuk2496
@riiddisbuk2496 8 ай бұрын
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions." In Zamasu's case, he has no afterlife.
@firewolf9493
@firewolf9493 Жыл бұрын
This video is SO GREAT! There is nothing like that on this platform, just like a villain like Zamasu in Dragon Ball ❤ It goes in depth and shows each phase.of Zamasu, his philosophy and how others reacted to it, incredible work, thanks for the video!
@Paper_Jam200
@Paper_Jam200 17 күн бұрын
"Hold on! No one's holding back anything! You better go all out!" *goes ssj2*
@Jesus_lover2222
@Jesus_lover2222 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video keep it up
@Reaperx1123
@Reaperx1123 Жыл бұрын
The quality of this video and everything that went into it is amazing. I didn't expect someone with 2k subs to have produced something this well, but after watching I can say for sure you have great potential.
@PlanetLevelDB
@PlanetLevelDB Жыл бұрын
Well to be fair I had 0 subs when this came out xD
@Reaperx1123
@Reaperx1123 Жыл бұрын
@@PlanetLevelDB Even better. Best of luck to you on youtube!
@dbzmods6429
@dbzmods6429 Жыл бұрын
When people tell me DBS is badly written, I say how? And they always say something pertaining to power levels. It's always videos like this that prove them wrong, and that they only focus on the fights and power levels. You have a new subscriber.
@PlanetLevelDB
@PlanetLevelDB Жыл бұрын
Love when people mention Super scaling when one episode Goku and Vegeta are struggling desperately to reach SSJ and then the next theres a 7 year old going SSJ and onetapping Cell as if Z isnt just as wild
@tbone2416
@tbone2416 Жыл бұрын
DBS does have poor writing. 1. U6 saiyan potential 2. ROF
@PlanetLevelDB
@PlanetLevelDB Жыл бұрын
1. Goten Potential 2. Buu Saga
@adeleinetheartist8267
@adeleinetheartist8267 Жыл бұрын
Dragon Ball Super really is poorly written, you dingo.
@glacialblast2588
@glacialblast2588 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love these philosophical videos keep it up
@CocoonsLastHope
@CocoonsLastHope Жыл бұрын
I love Zamasu so naturally I was obviously going to listen to this when I saw the video randomly whilst looking at other Zamasu related things. I know most of this already, 9 months into this crush after all, but listening to you say it was very relaxing to listen to honestly. I’m about half way into it and really enjoying it.
@CocoonsLastHope
@CocoonsLastHope Жыл бұрын
Yep loved it to the very end, will definitely save this up re listen to in the future, boy do I feel good after that.
@KeVee7
@KeVee7 Жыл бұрын
Just watched bro hit 1k congratulations 🔥i binged every single vid this was the final stop in that binge session for now keep up the great work cant wait to see more✊🏾
@levighwalker8255
@levighwalker8255 Жыл бұрын
I love the few videos you have your awesome KZbinr you talk like you been making videos atleast 5 years keep it up
@Dyvblow
@Dyvblow 10 ай бұрын
The storytelling and efforts in your videos are insane man, you're too fucking underrated. Good shit dude keep going
@criticallyblank
@criticallyblank Жыл бұрын
Wow! Amazing video, done on my favorite dragonball villian. Just found this channel and I hope you get more subscribers, keep up the great work!
@shadowsansvii8715
@shadowsansvii8715 Жыл бұрын
Idk, that Zamasu line at the end followed by his theme gave me chills. This is a really a good video.
@COOL_DAD
@COOL_DAD Жыл бұрын
Just found this channel, very good analysis
@DivineDragonofficial
@DivineDragonofficial Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video
@misterabcnew2888
@misterabcnew2888 Жыл бұрын
Zamasu would have been perfect to be a destroyer
@misterabcnew2888
@misterabcnew2888 Жыл бұрын
I didn't watch the whole video before putting this so the fact we thought the same thing was amazing
@Tartus21
@Tartus21 Жыл бұрын
Stop talking to yourself nigga
@sanchezzz69420
@sanchezzz69420 Ай бұрын
i appreciate the analysis ❤
@ReesHolt
@ReesHolt Жыл бұрын
Zamasu has been my favourite dragon ball villain for a while now, I like that he has genuine motivations and thought processes behind his actions with a ideology, while twisted, is understandable.
@oddmanout1807
@oddmanout1807 Жыл бұрын
This video deserves so many more views. The older I get the more I resonate with his viewpoints.
@nikoyoart
@nikoyoart Жыл бұрын
Zamasu is one of my favorite villains/ characters in DBZ and I LOVE LOVE LOVE his eerie OST
@ADzDaRRman
@ADzDaRRman 7 ай бұрын
Great Vid
@TastyMuffin9229
@TastyMuffin9229 3 ай бұрын
Great video
@BinhVu-hx3xx
@BinhVu-hx3xx Жыл бұрын
incredible video, completely changed my view on Zamasu who is a character I didn't give much of a thought to
@PlanetLevelDB
@PlanetLevelDB Жыл бұрын
He's my favorite character so thats awesome to hear! Glad I could give you a fresh perspective :)
@abuhussein4935
@abuhussein4935 8 ай бұрын
Well done🔥🙏🏾
@SICunchained
@SICunchained Жыл бұрын
Comment for algorithm so all 30 other DBZ fans can watch this.
@cloudshifter
@cloudshifter 8 ай бұрын
Kinda funny how if Gowasu told Zamasu that "We are here to nourish the mortals, if they become too distorted or abuse the gifts that are bestowed upon them, our gardener is the God of Destruction and he will surely pluck out the weeds. Our role is to try our best to make mortals understand and apreciate their gifts. Many will not understand due to their small lifespans but few will truly make the difference you so rightfully seek Zamasu. Being a God does not make you stand above mortals, it makes you teacher." But let's be real, bringing Goku along just to fight Zamasu was the worst thing they could have done especially when they suspected that Goku black might have God ki. Just had Beerus and Whis ask a few questions and for the sake of identifying possible culprits had both gowasu and zamasu raise their ki aura. It should have been even more obvious since it was time travel which means that things form the past may very well be the catalyst for future events which it was.
@godlion9808
@godlion9808 13 күн бұрын
Beerus trying to show off he knows he became the most popular god when he got Goku and the z fighters
@godlion9808
@godlion9808 13 күн бұрын
To be fair in the manga zamusu watched the universe 6 vs universe 7 tournament on GodTube
@spamcocobutt3672
@spamcocobutt3672 Жыл бұрын
this was very good
@jasomega2446
@jasomega2446 Жыл бұрын
Thank You For This.
@jasomega2446
@jasomega2446 Жыл бұрын
4:14
@lonewolfgamingplus379
@lonewolfgamingplus379 Жыл бұрын
Just got done with this arc (now on the road to the Tournament of Power), The Goku Black/Zamasu arc is just one of the greatest Dragon Ball arcs to me. Edit: Finished Dragon Ball Super. The Tournament of Power and Goku Black arcs are PEAK Dragon Ball.
@ROTTERDXM
@ROTTERDXM Жыл бұрын
Man this content is so good, its like Planescape for DBZ.
@frosttheweavile461
@frosttheweavile461 5 ай бұрын
Honestly Zamasu was right the entire time. I just don’t agree with his methods but he did what he felt he had to do for his own sense of Justice. I’ve always feared people for the evil they’re capable of, even your own parents, people who are supposed to nurture and protect you were some of the people I feared the most. Then you turn on the news and hear about people just hurting and unaliving each other all the time.
@StarTrek4Life
@StarTrek4Life 7 күн бұрын
An phenomenal video essay about a character that was misunderstood.
@bobherobrine3415
@bobherobrine3415 Жыл бұрын
Tbh underrated video
@gingeas
@gingeas 9 ай бұрын
Zamasu the Unabomber of DB forreal
@invictus82
@invictus82 4 күн бұрын
8:26 perfect use of the song
@GogetaEiyuuYamcha
@GogetaEiyuuYamcha Жыл бұрын
Pretty good video. We need more Dragon Ball analysis on this website, especially for DBS. I think you missed the most interesting aspect of Zamasu, being that he is wrong. Gowasu isn't wrong that his ugly form represents how ugly his ideals have become.
@iwillchangeitlater6881
@iwillchangeitlater6881 Жыл бұрын
underrated bro
@demacolapoo777
@demacolapoo777 Жыл бұрын
Just earned yourself a sub
@chikennugettastyammy7291
@chikennugettastyammy7291 7 ай бұрын
Zamasu has the best reason for being a villain. Prove me wrong.
@kenroycherrington148
@kenroycherrington148 5 ай бұрын
@PlanetLevelDB Though well intentioned, actions speak louder than words: the two Zamasus are killing mortals and gods; to add, Zeno and the gods of destruction that their vocation to be judge and executioner.
@invisi-bullexploration2374
@invisi-bullexploration2374 5 ай бұрын
Zamasu reminds me of the Batter from 'OFF'. Somebody who wants to to totally burn down a flawed system out of a sense of justice. But the big reveal is that he isn't the square jawed paragon of black and white that he thinks he is. His view of the world is so warped that he sees HIMSELF differently in the mirror. Then you get to see what other people see when they look at him...
@chimericalical
@chimericalical 11 ай бұрын
Villains who try to kill everyone and why. SkyNet: Humans are viewed as a threat to their existence Ultron: programmed to “protect planet earth” and humanity is its greatest threat Thanos: wants to impress his crush, the embodiment of death (he’s in the friend zone). And yes, I know he’s just going for half. Zamasu: y’all some mother fuckers.
@brick3ater930
@brick3ater930 Жыл бұрын
Good shit
@DontRespectTheUS
@DontRespectTheUS Жыл бұрын
Zamasu and Berrus are a majority of theistic gods that claim to be “above” humans but demand constant attention and adoration.
@leifomusic
@leifomusic Жыл бұрын
Wow. This is amazing! Thank you! - leifo
@nitroblaze6696
@nitroblaze6696 11 ай бұрын
Let's be honest, if zamasu got access to the internet, his hatred for mortals will be more powerful than zeno
@allbyfaith1480
@allbyfaith1480 Жыл бұрын
I pick up on biblical concepts being portrayed in this vid its very interesting in my opinion
@masternabber5560
@masternabber5560 Жыл бұрын
Yeah like the mantra symbol behind merged zamasus head, it's a sign of enlightenment I think.
@ibrokemyownheart4953
@ibrokemyownheart4953 10 ай бұрын
Trunks is just extremely unfortunate. He lost everyone twice, and was forced to flee to somewhere else where it never happened
@eat00002
@eat00002 8 ай бұрын
we should all aspire to be able to cry loud and cry unfiltered, proudly so
@SaiyanDemon
@SaiyanDemon Жыл бұрын
Imagine if Zamasu comes to our reality and see how us on how much we regressed
@LaZonaDiRin3743
@LaZonaDiRin3743 Жыл бұрын
Nah, we are not regressed,we have improved a lot we live in the most peaceful era, with with little violence and crime and wars break out once in a while, and there is more tolerance and more tendency towards peace, where most humans in the world don't want to kill each other and we are about to become an interplanetary species.
@SaiyanDemon
@SaiyanDemon Жыл бұрын
@@LaZonaDiRin3743 There are wars happening all around with Ukraine being one of them, inflation is high because of it, prices of gas is unbelievable high, the climate is getting higher, and slavery is more higher in third world countries most of whom are being owned by big companies from the west, and may I mention that this effects other countries as well.
@Doyoueverwonderwhywerehere
@Doyoueverwonderwhywerehere Жыл бұрын
​​​​@@LaZonaDiRin3743 he wanted this other guy has a point just because Hitler and his army of Jew Slayers And soviet Russia ain't in power anymore doesn't mean the world is at peace the world still has a looooong way to go before actual peace can even begin to form what we have now is basically a calm between storms and I guarantee you the next storm will be much more destructive than the last
@LaZonaDiRin3743
@LaZonaDiRin3743 Жыл бұрын
​@@SaiyanDemon "There are wars happening all around the world" There are 59 conflicts in the world. "Inflation is high" Inflation going down "Prices of gas is high" Gas price is recovering "The climate is getting higher" Renewables are also increasing and people are more awarded. "Slavery is more higher" Slavery is illegal and there are organizations who fight themes. You let yourself be manipulated by the sensationalism of the media, they magnify things, I advise you to disconnect from TV and social networks and you will understand that the world is much better than you think.
@LaZonaDiRin3743
@LaZonaDiRin3743 Жыл бұрын
​@@Doyoueverwonderwhywerehere wrong, we live in the most peaceful and least violent period in history, which is not a calm before the storm, but a process in which humanity has gained self-awareness and seeks to improve itself through discoveries, inventions, cultural and spiritual progress and space travel , within 10 years we will start to become an interplanetary species.
@divinegokublackrose
@divinegokublackrose 10 ай бұрын
I like zamasu because he doesn’t just want senseless destruction or to rule over everything which I something I don’t understand why people want, but he wants to preserve the universes and he saw that mortals are ruining it so they need to go. He didn’t even go against his ideals when he was losing, he sticks to his ideals that are good and I respect him for that
@DarkHawkeLP
@DarkHawkeLP 9 ай бұрын
I sometimes wonder why the kais are suprised and all that. I mean all the gods of destruction where mortals at some point and its very much implied that not all of them are first generation gods of destruction and some have retired and been replaced before. So i just dont understand why they are suprised that there are mortals with the power of a god if literally half the gods are former mortals
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