Justin Marshall: The true meaning of the Haka, & is the All Blacks brand fading?

All Blacks legend Justin Marshall joins The Big Jim Show to discuss the current All Blacks team, the true meaning and origin of the Haka and the one time he had reservations about swapping his iconic black jersey.
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[@salomonligthelm14]

As a South African - I love Justin Marshall. Objective, gracious, passionate.

[@Jackthompson01]

Best commentator/pundit in the world and has been for a long time

[@OldSchool-om2zo]

I think that the haka is a great part of the game, long may the tradition continue 🇿🇦 🇳🇿

[@timmado8441]

Congrats on the wc mate so happy for you when you won it

[@idgaf2024]

Long may the All Blacks, Springboks continue and trust me mate enjoy this winning run while it last because it ends fast 😢

[@AM-dj1wr]

As a proud Springbok supporter. I love the Haka. The braai pauses, and we all acknowledge the challenge, the history and tradition. Old foes & old friends. 🇿🇦🤝🇳🇿... Long may it live!

[@AM-dj1wr]

​@@idgaf2024Goes both ways on the day mate. This is the game we love. Enjoy!

[@WalterWhite-sm2dr]

The big Jim show big in South Africa…good job!

[@mpie1014]

Love Justin. He is so humble. Great pundit. Great interview Jim!

[@michaelharrison5564]

2 lads id love to have a beer with

[@georgeengelbrecht1310]

That's why we love JM, he's such a legend. And great conversationalist as is Jim. Thanks guys, everyone is proud of what you guys are doing for the game. You are our elected representatives.

[@nlb741]

WOW! Diddnt know that about the Haka! Loved the interview!

[@davidpeters3857]

Excellent content,always love listening to Marshy

[@thesearhub2023]

Great Podi..great info and insight... 10/10 Big Jim ...Top Man

[@7884golfguru]

Awesome ❤❤❤

[@W0nderer]

Love Big Jims way with guests. Justin Marshall is an important voice in rugby who's prepared to say things which need saying.

[@johnnybravo6829]

Great episode, loved the chat

[@user-nh1ig6fy9p]

Justin Marshall for the breakdown panel instead one of the two clowns who are part of the show.

[@wilfredsmith183]

They won't ever hire him again, he had a fallout with them if I remember correctly. Think he had a bit much to drink

[@Quilty2]

Great listen lads 👌

[@HotstopKid]

Yes, you need to get with Jason Mamoa. He was the one that literally set up that Fiji v AB game! haha He was talking about it on Tiktok before it was even official on the All Blacks website haha

[@jimcorlett]

Brilliant podcast top man

[@JohnHirsch88]

How do I invest in the finest grapes of the Cape winelands, distilled to perfection in copper pots, aged in oak and blended in traditional VSOP style???

[@stevee797]

Nice one Jim!

[@johnlewis2972]

As a springbok supporter, the allblacks brand is iconic, and will always be.

[@Glider34]

Both great players , great success after the game. Justin you need to move to Cape Town and make a move to DStv for the URC team. We in the republic love and respect you as a player and TV corespondent. Best in the world as far as I’m concerned. Good luck gents

[@johncraig9011]

I don't know why Sanzaa got rid of Super 12. What a stupid move. That was a great comp. Bloody Aussies

[@paulrynhoud7709]

Another banger

[@jacqloock]

🇿🇦 Didn’t know Haka origin story, even as a grumpy old man, but doesn’t quite seem to jibe with the throat-slitting of the new-fangled version.

[@KekeHimona]

This gesture in Māori culture represents the drawing of breath, the assertion of life and the defiance of death…and even after countless explanations, the team did agree to lower the action to across the chest. Perhaps, they may remove it…as in essence portraying something not accurate to meaning would make it false. I can however understand and appreciate why many see this as not good.

[@jacqloock]

@@KekeHimona Sadly the message as it is received is in such cases more important than the intention of the sender. Now if I were you guys I’d pick a seemingly innocuous action with a hardcore real meaning. Like a thumbs up that actually means “you will taste sumptuous with a nice Chianti.”

[@ianjacobs2998]

BRANDY!!!😊👍👍👍👍👍

[@markhankin467]

Every country should do something before a match..we ( eng ) could do a morris dance, the irish coukd do a jig etc....would have the same relevance..

[@craigedwards3899]

England doing the Morris dance before games would be hysterical. An Irish jig and us Scots doing the Highland fling would leave the opposition to5ally confused.. it could be advantageous to our country. Nah would it fook.

[@jacqloock]

For South Africa they can just switch the lights off for a minute.

[@ricmorris9758]

Should be their choice. When they started making excuses for speer tackling during play out of what people did while they do their dance it became a joke.

[@aircongosney]

Cam Roigard is going to seriously hurt some rush defense.

[@rabbitss11]

Agreed, Super Rugby needs freshening up as a product but it's a real shame the only answer seems to be Saudi Arabia, politically it stinks. If only America embraced the game, if only.

[@johncraig9011]

If Wayne "All Black" Barnes reffed the scrums properly the Irish would have won. The chaos at scrum time had a knock on effect on the Irish team. The fact that SA won the World Cup is a credit to the Bokke. Their had O'Keefe and Barnes, trying their best for the opposition to get the win against the Boks.

[@jeremyviall4168]

You think Barnes is on the All Black's side?? Lol he admitted how much he disliked the All Black's and their coaches in his Autobiography, "will never shake Graham Henry's hand" etc etc. I'm always amazed when Barnes is the ref and the All blacks manage to win.

[@johncraig9011]

@@jeremyviall4168 after Barnes allowed that forward pass back in the 2007 RWC against France, he's being blowing for the All Blacks

[@idgaf2024]

He fucking red carded us mate calm down

[@Camino2017]

Just reinforces that people view the game through their own sides lens. There's not much love for him in NZ and from what he's said it's mutual.

[@itzgxlxxi]

the all blacks will never fade away, they will always win and that’s the sad part.

[@michaelmoynihan9591]

Allblacks are finished..😂😂😂😂

[@wot4922]

Why would you want them to fade away. I really enjoyed players like Nonu.

[@Camino2017]

@@michaelmoynihan9591 I would agree that we don't have the playing stock of the past but we have the history, the passion, our competitive nature - and a coach who will get the best out of them. Teams will write them off at their peril.

[@jeremyviall4168]

Why is it sad?

[@idgaf2024]

@@Camino2017wtf are you talking about mate 😂 the playing stocks are there we just lost our way with the coaching abit hung on to the glory days abit to long. When South Africa were dog shit 2014-2017 were we saying they were finished? Bloody hell

[@natnut2008]

I wish there was sub chapter times...

[@ricmorris9758]

How do you set up a world club game oit of sides with no history with out devaluing the international game, where the money and history is?

[@stealthpakfa]

Ian Foster’s reign is responsible for the All Blacks brand fading.

[@idgaf2024]

You sure? I seem to recall the late 90s early 2000s All Blacks 5 years straight no bledisloe cup 24 years no World Cup 07 quarter final exit All Blacks brand damaged then?

[@mikeschulz6598]

SA had a kicking off day against Ireland in the pool... really, SA blew that game, fortunately for SA, though.

[@richardscanlan3419]

Does SA ever lose a game legitimately? there's always an excuse,they were simply better than you.Nothing more,nothing less.

[@mikeschulz6598]

@richardscanlan3419 assuming you didn't see all the SA missed penalty kicks then...and yes, of course they lost legitimately, they lost that game. Don't generalise and assume all SA fans think a loss is because of other factors... yes there are those tits but most are actually rather level headed and except when a better team wins.

[@richardscanlan3419]

I couldn't give a stuff,mate. You arrogant tossers always bleat when you lose,but i suppose that's to be expected with Erasmus on board.@@mikeschulz6598

[@richardscanlan3419]

If,if,if. If either of Barrett or Mounga converted their kicks,you wouldn't have won the final@@mikeschulz6598

[@joeschannel246]

This is why Marshall was left out of the NZ broadcasting team for the WC. Honest and critical of the all blacks and NZ rugby not a biased cheerleader like the rest of them.

[@richardscanlan3419]

Riubbish.

[@Biglight127]

Couldn't agree more yep

[@stevee797]

O not sure about the brandy!? Good luck..

[@colinandrewstarling]

Each to their own, for me the Haka’s sell by date has expired. There was a time that I would not miss the haka. Nowadays it a good time to go the the bathroom and fill up with vuil coke before kickoff. Maybe if the opposition was allowed to challenge the haka I’d reconsider

[@smartalecc]

Maybe it’s your coke habit speaking bro 😂

[@colinandrewstarling]

Vuil coke met eish… Ja

[@roberthutchison1561]

Fiji , Tonga , Samoa also do a war dance . Has there’s expired

[@idgaf2024]

Fuck off then mate 😂 Nobody gives a fuck what you do during the Haka. Long may it continue 🫡

[@taksanetoshi9859]

I wish Jim would pronounce Haka properly.😮

[@lawrenceadams1649]

Great Program ,Very interested in the Ian Foster part, there are still quite a few people out there who still believe that If Ian foster had gone earlier. a with Razor in charge , a few changes in the team and a change in approach in how they were playing then they would have won the World Cup

[@camjones1106]

They dont even run onto the farking ball anymore

[@martmeister]

I thought one of the biggest problems with a global tournament was the time zones. The teams don't have enough time to acclimatize before a big game. If they do, it's because they had a week there beforehand. If you want to maximize the opportunities to play as many teams as possible when traveling, then you are on the road for weeks. Is that sustainable?

[@taksanetoshi9859]

Don't dye your hair, bro.😮 Undignified.

[@DownUnderWarboss]

Enjoyed this, Marshy represented his country well. The Boks will never get thier record with the All blacks back to what it was. It stands at 62 - 40. South Africans alive today will never see parity again Guess this was filmed before England vs Ireland 2024 😂. The Rules of Rugby is the biggest issue. 32 minutes of an 80 minute game is actual rugby being played. 48 minutes of nothing.

[@wilfredsmith183]

During the 95 world cup the average ball in play was only 25 minutes... So 32 sounds good to me. People looking at the past with rose tinted glasses

[@idgaf2024]

It’s not the rules the issue. It’s the enforcement of them. Rules were there to structure the game not run them. NFL and NRL for example have found a very good balance in officiating, not perfect but far better then Union

[@jacquescoetzee47]

Eben needs to poesklap Aquaman. You don’t disrespect our captains like that, least of all John Smit.

[@ishtaq]

super rugby is great- real shame not many are interested

[@padraiglocke8844]

Ben Earl is the best England player I’ve seen since , Wilkinson , unbelievable talent, My Ireland missed our two most important players, Ringrose and Hugo , too predictable are backs were without them especially the injuries we got against England, young Crowley is very limited and is a massive drop off from Sexton especially in tight games, we need a better number 10, we need to blood Under 20s Pendegrast , Aki not getting picked is a absolute Joke even though he been playing with injuries , every team triple teams him , Ringrose and him are unplayable when fit , Ramos has to be on this team , The stand out players were Ben Earl and James Lowe and Gibson Park but player of the tournament was Ben Earl , sensational, wish he was Irish!!☘️

[@pixelpotato4874]

Hey Justin,love your work,but quit smoking

[@randalllederman6346]

Visually I find it very aggressive and should not be a part of intimating the oppositions

[@KekeHimona]

Many feel this, however the haka is our countries history, and every movement has a very deep meaning…most of which are interpreted completely opposite to what they truly mean.

[@OldSchool-om2zo]

I think that the haka is a great part of the game, long may the tradition continue 🇿🇦 🇳🇿 !

[@EasyTiger.01343]

Marshie’s Haka explanation seems like PR waffle. In reality, everything about the modern day Haka is a massive flex and a psych up for the ABs. Even he talks about eyeballing his opponent later in the interview. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Haka, especially before a big test, but let’s not start pretending it’s actually meant to be a pantomime version of a nursery rhyme 🐮💩!!!

[@Stussgurl]

Ka Mate was composed by a Ngati Toa Chief Te Rauparaha around 1800. It’s not a nursery rhyme, Te Rauparaha was at war. Ngati Toa have allowed the All Blacks to use Ka Mate but, now have Kapa o Pango, composed by Derek Lardelli (a prominent Maori artist of Ta Moko and Kapa Haka). I don’t know why the Invincibles used Ka Mate, I’m guessing a lot of them were Ngati Toa but, Haka is so much more than just an All Blacks thing, it is Maori culture.

[@jdb9388]

if you're not brought up in New Zealand you won't fully understand it, being Samoan i understand the tribal side to it, but it's basically a Maori tradition that's done at important events or welcoming guests out of respect, So the All Blacks express it as well

[@KekeHimona]

I strongly suggest you watch some NZ artists who use haka and other dance moves (Stan Walker - I Am) Then you might begin to realise that the haka known in rugby is NOT meant as intimidating!

[@EasyTiger.01343]

@@Stussgurl yeah no mate, wake me up when you’re finished typing… 🫤🙄😐

[@EasyTiger.01343]

@@KekeHimona I strongly recommend you talk to anyone who’s not a Kiwi and they’ll tell you how it looks to us outsiders. It’s a flex and it’s deliberately intimidating and that’s why everyone reacts to it the way they do. Restrict your pantomime explanation to the people in HR/PR - we’re not buying what you’re selling 🥱😂

[@canecorso8251]

All blacks brand peaked at the Sonny and Ali Williams clown press conference. All down hill from there.

[@keithdevine8281]

It's disrespectful to the opposition.

[@NS-nk9hf]

The Haka is boring. Its being over done. Just do it during the WC. The opposition can not challenge the Haka. Get on with the game.

[@kennethhammond4028]

Always that one fun guy at the party😂

[@samuelhowell7364]

Your mum is not boring , she loves my Haka

[@mhcronje]

I agree mate. It’s turned into a circus.

[@matthall6743]

Are you serious? Learn it’s meaning buddy! It could be an AB’s only chance to perform it and for that reason it always means something very important to them and it’s out of respect to the other team.

[@mhcronje]

@@matthall6743 Yes mate. Super serious. Less theatrics and more rugby.

[@Hrodwulf9]

Justin makes for a great interview, every time, especially when he's off his tits drunk / hungover during the world cup!. Lol. Thanks for an awesome interview

[@Hrodwulf9]

WRT viewership, everyone loves a good villain in a story, South African sides with their brute force physicality used to provide that for the super rugby competitions. It's New Zealands own hubris that they let that go, and we are now creating the greatest club competition once again, without New Zealand but with European teams. So, NZ can only blame themselves for their boring "exciting rugby" competition that no one is interested in watching.

[@KekeHimona]

You are delusional solely blaming New Zealand. South Africa had wanted to join European league anyway

[@nickybutt9733]

If it's not meant to intimidate why do they gesture slitting their throats?!