Justin Marshall evaluates All Blacks three games into Scott Robertson's coaching tenure | SENZ

[@dcaotearoa]

Enjoy listening to Marsh and his take on things. He unapologetically bleeds black just like us angry fans 😆 well done fellas. Go AllBlacks.

[@BigBoyGames-ke1hq]

Marshy's insights are brilliant, the guy knows his onions !

[@CharlieRangiuia]

Agreed 👍

[@danfrost5927]

Great chat. Anything with Marshy is a must listen

[@Damudean]

I was just listening about the coaches part again. When I remembered and many people have said this, Scott Robinson is an ideas man. So he is (in my opinion) bringing in people that can try and make his ideas a reality

[@lyntonm5793]

Great discussion here guys. I didn't really appreciate before just how good Justin is at analysis, but it takes a good interviewer too ! Having said this, I disagree with the implication (around 09:40) that Fiji wasn't providing a strong test of the AB backs (ie that they had more time so that made them look better) I think it was more that they just had a great game and they would have looked great no matter who they were up against.

[@jaapbadlands]

This guy persistently questioning Razor's use of multiple specialist coaches, something he hasn't seen before, two minutes after asking where is Razor's innovation. Three wins into the season, no less. Let the man cook.

[@jackruaro]

I don't understand why its a weakness to bring in the best possible coach for specialist roles. It takes humility to admit that one is not the best at everything.

[@Sunflower-dt6ev]

@jaapbadlands seems clueless about most things rugby based on his dumb questions & constantly talking over marshie.

[@Sunflower-dt6ev]

@jackruaro spot on, it's one of the basic rules of great leadership - surround yourself with experts.

[@jackruaro]

@@Sunflower-dt6ev He's basically disappointed because he's the usual yobbo who expects the ABs to blow everyone out by 60. Like he's criticizing why ABs had a hard time with the rush defense...as if England didn't beat the same Ireland team he heaped praises on with the same system.

[@ngabushallday6642]

@jaapbadlands Watson can't help himself, he is the perpetual glass half empty tosser that no-one wants to talk to at the BBQ.

[@jackruaro]

The way theyre criticizing Razor it's as if he's 0/30, not 3-0. Team is in transition. It'll take time to see the finished product

[@ashinch0r]

One thing that Razor is exceptionally gifted at is long view planning to assemble teams for winning runs. Watch and see, at the moment in replacing Fozzie, Razor has to rack up wins. Good, bad, or ugly he has to win first and foremost. After he has established that he can win he has to develop the team into a WC dominating team. I absolutely believe he will.

[@dcollinsmusic]

For what its worth, NFL teams also have a huge coaching system. Head coach, offensive coordinator, Defensive coordinator, passing game coordinator, run game coordinator, running backs coach, offensive line coach, wide receievers coach, tight ends coach, defensive backs, linebackers, defensive line, special teams. Sometimes you have guys handle multiple duties, but its still a ton of people coaching.

[@broderickfall]

we're seeing new attacking patterns with the ABs and an uptick in their speed of play. grated it's still early days but so far so good. my only concern is the forwards. don't feel they're giving the oomph needed to see Razorball in full flow

[@Damudean]

Justin doesn’t think part of the problem of the attack against the rush defense is the slow delivery of Christie. And the team just needing more time together and working on getting use to a system that hasn’t even been completely put forward to them yet?

[@matty_mccarthy]

Yes but if we are purely reliant on quick ball whether it’s ruck speed or ball movement then we are only limiting ourselves

[@Damudean]

@@matty_mccarthy I did say part. I would also like to point out that no teams tear opponents apart that have a good defense. They win by close margins and struggle to break the defense

[@dadofchampions]

Its not so much FInlays slow delivery but his giving up our front-foot ball by allowing forwards to join a ruck to provide for him a tunnel to toe the ball back an extra 2 metres WHEN that ball was ready to pass or snipe with, 2 seconds earlier!

[@Damudean]

@@dadofchampions that’s part of the slow ball. He is choosing to slow it done instead of getting it out as fast as possible

[@matty_mccarthy]

@@dadofchampions agree, he definitely lets the ball sit there too long

[@tcr4507]

Speaking of exiting strategy, length of kicks seemed to be a real issue for the all blacks which flips to being a massive strength when Barrett comes off the bench. McKenzie, perofeta and Christie are all a bit weak in the distance for touch. Mark telea doesn’t have a great boot and sevu can be a bit hot and cold. Jordie and beauden have great distance but Jordie plays out of position for clearances and Brady is currently playing off the bench. It will be good to have Jordan back if he can find form fast. Not sure what Caleb’s kicking is like.

[@namrepusprime6793]

Dont like Marshie as a commentator but man is he the best analyst in the game or what

[@Damudean]

I’m amazed NZ still have radios by the look of the scroll. I’ve been in Japan for 20 years now and I can’t remember the last time I saw a radio. I do know my 10 year old son had never seen one

[@tcr4507]

Probably a lot like Australia, we either listen via an app while at work or when driving.

[@Hatunrumioc]

Justin's great 👏

[@nvwcj22]

I agree with Justin. Proctor was great but he was playing Fiji. Razor should've started him 2nd English game to test his skills.

[@Sunflower-dt6ev]

@@nvwcj22 No, not with the series on the line. A start v Fiji was the correct call & I expect to see him on the bench v Pumas.

[@boxerturner7472]

Up against a season team like England wrong move obviously 3 wins is a start finding connection is a headache for razor but signs are there

[@LJFN213]

The moment JB went to 12 the combo has been Barrett and Ioane ever since. The moment Frizell emergered the combo was Frizzell Cane Savea. Marshall just waffles

[@Wolfie880]

Hang on guys JM for All Black coach 🙏

[@robertmariu6783]

2017 the lions came with the blitz defence !!

[@korocam9137]

If it were up to Marshall he would play the same team every week.. Argentina is the perfect opportunity to give new players like Ratima and Proctor another chance. Put them behind the strongest forward pack available and let them play! Unless there are injuries it’s less likely Razor will start newer players against the Boks..

[@PeterPehi]

BEST. IN. THE. WORLD. SCOTT. BARRRET. 👍👍

[@jackruaro]

I dont understand the criticism of having too many coaches. Rugby has become only too professional. Fozzy took charge of everything and he did so badly they had to bring in Schmidt.

[@ManaBlack208]

Multiple coaches has been around for awhile now most nations have it and i suppose it gives different perspectives but when the ABs can't even do simple things like take their kick offs it makes you wonder 🤔

[@jackruaro]

@@ManaBlack208 they admitted that there have been problems translating practice into match play. Seems to be a bit of an adjustment period. The same personnel had no problems with kickoffs and such in SR.

[@ManaBlack208]

@jackruaro This is the basics of the game tho not good enough

[@MegaTkls]

@@ManaBlack208 yo man, you know nothing about rugby

[@ManaBlack208]

@MegaTkls That's not wat your mum Said last night 🤣

[@rogue_luko]

Someone please ask the host who the heck is 'Owe-aneh' and 'PapaleeHee'? 😂 (Rico & Dalton).

[@jamesblewman]

The number of coaches and support staff is pretty standard these days for top professional international teams. Mark Watson needs to realise it's not 1995.

[@MegaTkls]

Most pro teams use 1 coach for attack/backs, it's actually rare to split them up.

[@rezaparker3893]

Rieko is not a center period. He needs to be put in space. On defence he is accurate with his tackles but his physicality is not there to put pressure on opposition to cause a turnover. Billy has the natural ability to make the big impacts so that the loose forwards to slow or turnover the ball. Rieko is a winger and upsets the balance of the team at center.

[@dadofchampions]

righto coach! 🤣

[@gibbogle]

The ABs need a Conrad Smith.

[@Zion-Bear]

They need a McCaw, Carter, Collins & a Nonu. NZ surely has players available to fill their boots? Surely

[@tonygardiner2791]

great korero bro's 👍

[@miguelangel3254]

I remember ALB debuted as a starter against SA, played awesome. The funny thing is that with all this pressure, Rieko, being the conceited kid that he is, will pass the ball less to "prove" he's the starter

[@VernonHowe-rs1lt]

Billy Proctor is my choice against Argentina, i hope the coach will do so. And Cortez Ratima playing also Great, just like Proctor. Noah Hotham and Wallace Sititi doing just Great as Well. Up The All Blacks. All The Best.

[@MagicHu]

If we want dominant play let the youth in they bring enthusiasm and that extra pace at attack and defense plus a bit of unexpected play. You see this in every team that adhere to introducing the youngsters

[@jaymac72]

Looking forward to the upcoming series. NZ AUS ARG RSA. It's going to be epic.

[@rubendutoit586]

Let's just clear some things up here. Firstly I agree there is certain players who needs to be changed out, Ioane being one of them. But everyone keeps on making this big thing about rush defense, Ireland has it, how many tries did the All Blacks score against them? The Springboks have it, how many tries did the AB's score against them, England same story. The boks couldn't score one try against 14 All Blacks in the final. The AB's outscored them even with 14 men. There's ways around it, and you as coach can only do so much, then it's in the players hands, and Razor said it, they need to execute it. But then it comes back to selection. Pick the right players to execute. Ioane should not be the starting 13, thats the biggest area that feels the rush defense. Stop with the Savea to 7 thing, he's arguably been the best player in the world for the last 3 years at 8. And give Finau time. Kaino didn't become the best 6 in NZ over 3 tests, remember.... He's only played three games as an All Black.

[@johno9761]

It’s been a 7/10 start 3/3 wins you take it and move forward. Still need to cut these mistakes out though.

[@PeterPehi]

SYDNEY. AUSTRALIA. SHOUT. OUT. TO. JUSTIN. MARSHALL

[@jrmop0965]

Imagine being picked in the All Blacks and have a guy like David Hill who clearly wasn't AB material teaching you how to kick? The over coaching is going to be our downfall. We are becoming Englandesque.

[@PeterPehi]

KERRY. SKINNER. WOW. 🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔

[@atapene]

Lol. You're the best analyst because you thought the same as me. Lol!!!

[@darrenandrews1979]

I don’t agree with all of what Marshall says. I don’t think Blackadder was good at all, v Fiji. Reiko has had enough chances at 13. Yes, Proctor got more time and space but the reality is he has a better skill set than Reiko to be a world class center. Marshall talks about Reiko being under pressure due to the rush D BUT Reiko has shown the same frailties at super level.

[@ManaBlack208]

Yeah I'm with you on this one I think ex crusader players can be biased with current crusader players coz I wasn't overly impressed either with Blackadder he's got a high work rate but offers nothing special like a Frizzell,Reiko seems constricted for some reason at 13 seems to have no time or space and not enough power to plow through maybe he stands to flat

[@bronzemen34]

REIKO definately better on wing The centre position is the HULK of the backline.....he not only the wallbreaker thru defences but also the stone wall who thrives being a defensive beast and stops whatever comes his way.....he s the brute behind the backline and adds the starch!!!

[@jackruaro]

@@bronzemen34 it's not the 90s anymore mate

[@bronzemen34]

@@jackruaro didn't say it was bud

[@jackruaro]

@@bronzemen34 since you're an outdated idiot, I'm telling you your understanding of tactics is stuck in the 1990s. Clear enough, "pal"?

[@sonofsamoa81]

These old heads need too get over this idea that the newbies aren't good enough, without even putting them into the thick of it. How else u gonna know if they can? Can't always rely on past performances, just use them

[@clarke1319]

use them? you mean like they did against Fiji ? How else you gonna know? Well they will know sort of like they have with the previous 1200 plus All Blacks.

[@JamesSmith-qr7be]

Agreed its too cobservative these days. Richie McCaw plays one NPC was NPC player of the year went straight into the 7 Jersey and never let it go.

[@sonofsamoa81]

@@clarke1319 in reference to the discussion, they are always hesitant too bleed these new inform players, and rely solely on those who have been test proven. Why procrastinate & always sit on the sideline with these new guys. As u said, like players of the past...just give em a crack and stop assuming they're not ready!

[@lewiswilliams227]

I reakon the new players will show up in the Rugby championship look at cortez against England and fiji played the same gave dmac and beaudy speed of ball aumua hard hitting runs and line out throwing was the same against both teams

[@JamesSmith-qr7be]

I hate to say this but you can experiment against Australia. We use to experiment on the EOYT we cant now. But Australia we definitely can. Hate to say it but the Wallabies are no good. I'd love that to change.

[@nvwcj22]

@@JamesSmith-qr7be don't underestimate the Wallabies, they're looking good under Schmidts coaching.

[@JamesSmith-qr7be]

@nvwcj22 yea people have been talking about the Wallabies coach for years ignoring the real problems. Its a sinking ship. Unless we continue Foster's trend and keep getting worse we will leave them well behind.

[@nvwcj22]

@@JamesSmith-qr7be I hope so but I don't want to speak too soon. Not fully convinced ABs have it together yet. The SA, IRISH & ARGENTINIANs are looking strong & rough at the moment. Let's stay humble & see how it goes.

[@JamesSmith-qr7be]

@nvwcj22 I don't think Argentina will be close to the challenge England presented us. It's definitely the chance to try out any bolters for the top side. I'd be starting Proctor, Blackadder, WJ at 15. And keeping Ratima and Noah.

[@nvwcj22]

@@JamesSmith-qr7be agreed.

[@matthewdanna8800]

Mashy is one of one

[@lovemysport7902]

This is my first exposure to Mr Watson & I’m not impressed. Mr Watson appears to have a bee in his bonnet re certain things. Mr Watson should appreciate & state that he speaks for himself & not all of the AB supporters nor the listeners to SENZ. Mr Watson appears to want to be ‘noticed’ by being controversial by asking ‘sensational’ questions with some of his questioning & the repetition of his own opinions as opposed to letting the guest/expert answer subjectively. Multiple Coaches is just the same as Members of Parliament. The Prime Minister wouldn’t be able to do everything so there are Ministers etc. When Razor was coaching Club Rugby at Sumner, he wouldn’t have had as many assistant coaches, if any, but as the level of rugby gets harder, the demands are more, more hands on deck are required, more ‘expertise’ for positions is needed, a few sets of ears are needed to bounce ideas of, a few other sets of opinions are needed to challenge ideas etc. Razor being Head Coach will have the final say but it is a team ‘of coaches’ game these days. As others have said, look at the many other Top Tier Nations as to their Coaches & Support Staff. The ABs might even have fewer coaches than other countries. As per Mr Watson’s insistence that he DEMANDS Revolution vs Evolution, he is way off the mark. Should Razor & co really show all of his/their cards 3 years out from RWC to allow the opposition to copy or work out a counter plan? If Mr Watson has any ideas then he should tell Razor & co in private as opposed to telling the ABs competitors via t’internet. In RWC 2011 when Tony Woodcock scored the ABs only try from a line-out move, how many times had we seen that set move before it happened? I think maybe once about 4 years (or so) prior to that but it certainly wasn't a 'signature' move tried in every game. Jeez, Mr Watson, this is a journey. One step at a time. One has to walk before one can run. In my opinion the SARU left SR Rugby & joined the URC & flooded the Gallager Premiership & the Top14 with as many players as they could in the lead up to RWC23. There were a couple of players in Japan, including Malcolm Marc who left RWC23 due to injury, but the core of the SA RWC23 Squad gained European experience of the NH conditions & most probably some IP of NH Players/Country specific tactics. The NH season stopped in plenty of time for the SA players to go home for Camps etc to prep for RWC23. The rest is history & most of those players are now back in SA enjoying the sun. There are still a few in Europe but not the numbers there were pre RWC23. Well played Rassie & the SARU. As for the ABs, I wanted ‘light at the end of the tunnel’ & in these first 3 games of Razor’s tenure, I have seen that. There will be hiccups along the way but I am optimistic of the journey.

[@jim8790]

No offence to Justin (I genuinally appreciate his analysis) or the show (love the show) , however, you may want to look for other pundits to have on the show. Justin appears to be the only pundit broadcasters want to have speak to. He was on the Breakdown on Sunday, Martins show on (The Platform) Monday and now SENZ on Tuesday. Surely there are other respected pundits out there that can share their thoughts? Intended to be constructive criticism, nothing else.

[@JamesSmith-qr7be]

The rest of the pundits are affraid to criticise . . . And then there's John Kirwan . . . And he's terrible. So more Justin!

[@senzradio]

The Rugby Run is co-hosted by Justin Marshall on Sundays. This show happened on a day where it was impossible to get outside guests due to the tech issues caused by the CrowdStrike outage.

[@jim8790]

@@senzradio Thanks for the reply. Much appreciated.

[@jim8790]

@@JamesSmith-qr7be I agree. I don't have the answer either. Was just a suggestion. No one from The Breakdown. Broadcasters need varity. Maybe there is a real lack of suitable candidates.

[@ManaBlack208]

Martin devlin had Murray mexted on his show today which was refreshing I like Murray he's good

[@Vinchenzio_]

if midfield has been an issue for many years for the ABs why keep the same people in there reiko and jordie had more than enough time to improve but still till this day nothing has changed reiko should be a winger he is a better winger than a centre and jordie plays better as a fullback.

[@ngabushallday6642]

Listening to this for JMs analysis, Watson is a Muppet. Nuff said.

[@matthewdanna8800]

correct

[@googleuser1380]

There is a problem with the All Black wingers who get caught out of position to much by playing in the tight. If they stay out in there right positions they will then have more open space to attack when they receive the ball

[@moafaagase7937]

I’d have to disagree with JM on Blackadders game against Fiji. First 20min, turned the ball over twice, missed 2 clean outs (one lead to a turnover, missed two tackles. He gives one out the back pass which our props are even capable of, and all of a sudden he’s a ball playing 7??? Sheesh

[@ashinch0r]

We have a couple of commentators who coach nothing critizing they way that a proven successful coach has set up his system? How about you ask some useful questions to learn something not ask questions to try and subvert what Razor is trying to do.

[@clyde-x5r3v]

Ole skool, aye justin discipline ur stats

[@michaelpiccirillo1201]

How can Marshall suggest to give Cane a run - he's not the future. He retires at the end of the year. So basically you are giving him a run for sentiment and to give him 5 caps to get to 100 caps. But that means 5 less caps for Lakai or Papali'i -

[@pita3908]

if they are not getting right, its the coaching, ... but you cant say that ..cos its Razor,,100X super rugby winner.

[@PeterPehi]

YES. SIR. 🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔

[@rchw8052]

We speculate what if this player or that player played. Its all hit and miss. Beauden didn't back up on the England performance against Fiji either.

[@Sunflower-dt6ev]

When playing v ENG blitz D, Perofeta bombing a certain try in test 1 didn't help. Perofeta bombing a certain try again in ENG test 2 didn't help (Jordie bombing a certain try v Fiji was annoying too but not a blitz D). It's all about EXECUTION. And there is no "right time" to upskill a new combination in beating the "in your face" defense. It's a process. I expect Razor will take a considered risk at some point before going to RSA. Also, the difference between a legit centre like Billy & a transposed winger like Reiko, is that Billy's 1st instinct is to set up his outsides under pressure, whereas Reiko will hold & rumble. It took Tana & Ma'a years to adjust. Reiko is a slow learner it seems. There's no doubt in my mind that Billy will be at #13 at RWC2027.

[@GuyMcRae]

When did Perofeta bomb a try in test 1?

[@Sunflower-dt6ev]

@GuyMcRae yeah true, he didn't. Someone did, but I can't recall.

[@ManaBlack208]

Cmon dude get your facts right not a huge fan of perofeta but he set up a try in the first test and bombed 1 in the 2nd test played ok but I'm still not sold on him once will jordan comes back he's gone

[@jsduntrees8175]

I'd like to see stats between Jordie and Rieko of being caught while trying to unload. Jordie seems to get caught more

[@napintasboli7939]

Reiko can go onto the wing or bench😗 ok it was only fiji there saying but Alb--proctor looked the goods and performed-- wing defense been poor--lacking bit speed=clarke-jordon To me the pumas 1st up lets give these guys ago😎 --

[@rikkimason54]

We just have to move on from Sam Cain he was awesome in the WC excludingthe red card but that was more the reffs, i get the feeling Razor has told him as much

[@PeterPehi]

LOL. FUNNY. 🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔

[@PeterPehi]

WOW. 15. COACHES. TO. COACH. ALL BLACKS. 🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔

[@nvwcj22]

With that many coaches on board, what the hell is Razor doing? Does he know how to coach or are the others doing all the hard work while he takes the credit for the wins? And does that mean those coaches will get the blame for any downfall? How do you put all those different coaching styles together to get a flowing game?

[@jackruaro]

Why does he have to do all the coaching alone? There have been specialist coaches for years. Why is it only Razor who's suddenly weak forhl having assistants?

[@nvwcj22]

@@jackruaro he's got about 6 or 7 specialist coaches on board. Theres only ever been 3 at most for past coaches & one of them was the actual coach themself doing actual coaching. What's Razor coaching?

[@rubendutoit586]

Just negativity.. NZ is the only Southern Hemisphere team to not get one single card in this teat series

[@markrutherford6010]

Stop pumping up Blackadder’s tyres.He was average.The guy missed four tackles. Papalii and Jacobson are better players.Blackadder played only one good game all season.. Papalii and Jacobson have been good all season long.Blackadder is not the second coming of Richie McCaw. The problem with the backline is halfback it is not midfield.Christie and Perenara passing game is too slow. Ratima speed of pass is much better.The backline is improved when Ratima came on against England.

[@dmazingi]

There isn't a tradeoff between aggression in the tackle and height or lateness of the tackle and therefore cards. Look at the Springboks over the last 8 years. Very aggressive and one of the lowest card counts in the world meanwhile the abs had the highest. It's all about technique

[@Damudean]

Is he that weak or has he identified so many faults in what has been a problem. It has become essential to get more help

[@teawaruaedwards274]

As always the NZ coach is only as good as his first loss. A SWIPE from the Tall Poppy club?? Know need to OVER analyze a new coach and new squad. The Boys and especially RAZOR Know what they're doing? No need for criticism but plenty of room for improvement from 2 tight opening test for new 2024 All Blacks.

[@graemehuia5964]

Scott Barrett, captain & serial offender.

[@coryrakatau]

Why the all blacks not do the same. Then you might create space

[@W_Misumzi]

Dalton>Sam Cane. These atuck in the past pundits can't have it both ways...ffs, move on.

[@JaemanEdwards]

Not impressed so far Razor. That All Blacks team you selected looks like a weak team Fozzie wouida picked.

[@lewiswilliams227]

Proof that scott barrets a meat head and not a captain we dont need that in the game teams aren't scared of him cause hes a grab they were scared of jerry collens because of his tackles sam cane hits hard to aswell as luke jacombson and blackadder

[@Hatunrumioc]

Not only that but potentially emerging as not a top two lock over the next two years, but he could still be moved to six

[@Legitcomments_]

Marshall saltiest All Black ever

[@JabYoFace]

Thankfully Razor is the coach and Marshall isn’t

[@PeterPehi]

JUSTIN. SPOT. ON. 🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔🌔