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Yeah, so the Seestern is probably 20% better than the Frog in most areas, bracelet, lume, clasp, caseback etc. It is better than the Doxa in some areas as well! Let's see if they do indeed release V2s of each watch. Maybe that will be a future Watch Boxing Special. Cheers, Jody

[@darkstar7742]

You can get both watches cheaper then the Doxa rubber strap 🤔

[@1malikalik]

Dark star that is a funny comment. You had me laughing. The SEESTERN though is a Champ

[@ProjectSerpo90]

No joke. I was looking at the orange one today, $250. Ordered a Seestern Sub 300 V3 Tuesday night after watching tons of reviews and hearing all great things. How can you go wrong for $164?

[@pureblood8307]

True

[@olivier-pierredebelmont.3630]

As a proud owner of a Doxa sub 300T since 1971 I think that for the eyes pleasure,this seestern is perfect to wear everyday at a cost that not imper your monthly needs. Well done Seestern✴️

[@thetattedpharmacist3215]

I have a V3 I’ve just bought, and all the problems have been resolved, it’s got a lume pip now and the date wheel is still lumed it looks so good. Bezel lines up properly, only issue is still the handset tiny bit too small.

[@IceDree]

"The great wave of bikini bottom". LMAO, Jody you're the best.

[@johnandrews3568]

This made me laugh too.... even better would have been in the lume test to flash up in that Frrrrench accent.... '20..... Minutes..... Lataaarrrr' LOL

[@blacktoothstavros2606]

Inevitable, but still upsetting. I hate getting dud watches. The reviews from others agree with you; the Starfish smacks the Frog.

[@wingi7722]

It definitely has a lot going for it. The Version 2 will be even better! Would love to see GMT version! The Doxa GMT's are very cool. A chrono version would be even better again!

[@stevestevens243]

I'd love to see applied indices on the next iteration, then it would be an instant buy.

[@hellboy1976]

I own a Doxa GMT Sharkhunter, and have had it for 15(?) years now. I've never regretted the purchase and is a watch that I will still have long after others have left my collection.

[@Treveljan]

My V2 Seestern just arrived, and the lume pip problem has been dealt with :) Also, I wouldn't approach the Seestern from the Orient's side, I would approach it as: "I'm feeling uncomfortable with paying 2-4K USD for a Doxa Sub with a 2824". This watch has exceptional value imho.

[@fredoakes7441]

I bought the TF and sent it back when I saw the Seestern,but now there is a V2 TF and I rebought it in the new version. Now I have the Orange Seestern,a yellow Seestern and the new V2 TF in a white dial and a big orange minute hand...dont tell my wife

[@wed265]

I am interested in the orange one see Stern. In your opinion is that the coolest nicest looking one? Ray

[@rareblendcars]

Good morning from Sunny Florida! Thank you for introducing me to affordable quality watches! Keep up the great work! 😊👍

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

My pleasure! Hellooooooo Florida!

[@davidstokes5444]

Seestern offer a Monster copy, it would be interesting to see how that stacks up against the other homages. Lumed date wheel again too.

[@AwkwardHorology]

Really interesting to see the seestern, it does look superior to the tactical frog and it’s almost better than the doxa! Definitely a fan of the caseback as well

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

You like the starfish launching itself at the Great Wave? Certainly amusing!

[@AwkwardHorology]

@@JustOneMoreWatch it’s mad and random! Although it’s not quite mermaid riding a dolphin lol

[@MrFredrictai]

a starfish riding on a surfboard will make it a perfect caseback... LoL

[@AwkwardHorology]

@@MrFredrictai maybe Jodi’s own brand should have a starfish riding a bear fighting a spaceship. Or something equally as random!

[@MrFredrictai]

@@AwkwardHorology I am thinking he probably will go for a starfish with a lightsaber saving a princess...

[@paulandrews7622]

Almost shames the Doxa for ten times less cash. The Lume comparison was very enlightening, no pun intended !! For £180 this really is a very nice watch and I'm certainly gonna be getting version two if they do one ( which I'm sure they will ) Great review. Thanks, you've just cost me another two hundred quid, AGAIN !!

[@ryanloucks1435]

For that price, most likely won't be working in 12 months.

[@nikolaypanov8159]

@@ryanloucks1435 It has a Seiko NH35 inside it, most likely will work longer than the ETA in the Doxa lol

[@markgrieves1307]

Hooray! Thank you Jody. You've actually reviewed a watch that I have and won't have to buy afterwards (the Citizen NY0040). Great video and attention to detail. I'm super happy that I'm sitting here with my Seestern with the mother of pearl dial on wrist. I wanted the orange but switched to the mop when I saw it. It's superb. The Heimdallr website actually sells Tactical Frogs but I don't know the connection between them. For me the Seestern name had some gravitas and a serious brand identity plus it wasn't slightly comical. You've made my day. 😀👍

[@markgrieves1307]

PS. And as an apologetic afterthought and endorsement to you, everything you said was fair and spot on. It's exactly as you said. You could referee Rangers v Celtic, or Hearts v Hibs and nobody could complain!

[@younusimam-thesalamproject6340]

I bought the Kamasu based on your recommendations to celebrate getting a very big new job, agree that it really puts everything else to shame. Absolutely fantastic with the wearing dimensions and the dynamic green teal.

[@tineye5100]

I actually love the starfish standing defiantly against the giant wave crashing towards it. Makes me want to root for him!

[@WesWatchRoom]

Think you're absolutely right, this is probably one of the best divers under 200 you can buy. I'm honestly very impressed with this newcomer. Looks way better than the frog and almost on par with the doxa. Great work 👍

[@darrenfry4695]

Imo the best dive watch under two hundred pounds is the steeldive captain Willard it's awesome and I paid one hundred pounds for it ,and I'm really happy with it and I'm not alone in this because since I've got one I've noticed lots of people that review the watch and say how brilliant it is ,,, so have a look at a steeldive you might be surprised

[@WesWatchRoom]

@@darrenfry4695 will do. I'll add it to my review list. Thank you for the recommendation

[@darrenfry4695]

@@WesWatchRoom your welcome

[@shmutube]

Certainly seems like a great watch - TONS of value for sure! One thing I noticed was that the paddle on the seconds hand was positioned so that it does not interfere with the date window - a clever, thoughtful touch, I think.

[@garytru563]

I'd buy a Doxa. Theses watches are just rip offs ! Good vid as always, thanks

[@MADHIKER777]

I went with the orange Seestern after seeing how far the Frog missed the mark completely. I added an orange rubber strap to alternate. It may be one of the best watch deals, period. My one and only desire would be to polish the side of the bezel, like the real McCoy. If I still dove, then I would miss the lumed pip. (Agree with you on the Kamasu)

[@flymorenow]

Lumed date wheel! Wow that's really neat. Yes, more anti-reflective coating please.

[@RhinoRhinoGiraffe]

I'm going to buy one before the price now goes up following your review! Looks amazing for the money. Name also doesn't offend here in South Africa where a starfish is referred to as a "seester" in my native language, Afrikaans. What a luck.

[@harryhirsch3637]

I thought so too. But they are already $214,- and up and no blues left. 😢

[@RhinoRhinoGiraffe]

@@harryhirsch3637 I went on Aliexpress now and noticed the same. How sad. Hopefully the V2 doesnt mean that the price goes x2.

[@thelonerider9693]

Dirk Pitt brought me here.... lol. In all seriousness, nice to know there are budget options out there, always wanted one of these, but wasn't quite ready to pay the price. Even my blue dial Tudor sub only cost 900 in 1996 (wish I still had the damned thing).

[@armandr1613]

Almost fell out of my seat laughing at the spectre of the Orient Kamasu. I think this a good feature to add at different price points. I can see a few Tissot's and Hamilton's floating around for watches priced $400 - $600.

[@tj-114]

I've just received the Tactical Frog v1.5. They removed the brand name from the face but still the tachy bezel (which I didn't mind). I think the dial with applied indices looks a bit nicer than the flat printed dial. Keeping excellent time, and I think they adjusted the AR coating on this one. I don't seem to have the issues reviewers have pointed out with glare until an extreme angle. The biggest con is undoubtedly the bracelet, which I hope I can find a higher-end replacement for.

[@earthenjadis8199]

"So long as you're OK with a borrowed design..." Ah, no.

[@JohanDee]

Then you must have a very small amount of watches.

[@DanaTheInsane]

I was about to get one, and then the Nintendo Switch dropped the Oled. So I have to wait a few more months. And if there’s a new revision coming out I suppose that’s for the best. But I still really want one of these. When I grew up I wanted to be Jacques Cousteau and I always remember his orange Doxa!

[@test123]

If you have more than 2 automatic watch in rotation, there is big chance that you will not bother to set date. And last thing that I need is that wrong date glow in dark :)

[@jkratoville]

I have the V3 and am very happy / impressed. Is it just me, or do I not see a lume pip on the Doxa either?

[@Nefville]

The hands remind me of Scary Movie 2, you know, that guy with the tiny hand... "Take my strong hand!"

[@nathandent5138]

Just a comment on the bezel ( I scrolled for ages and didn't see anyone else cover this, so apologies if someone did), that's not a "tacky" scale. It's the US Navy non-decompression dive limit tables (20 minutes at 110 feet as example). This was Doxa's signature trick...that and the minute hand being larger than the hour. Both features being very useful in the golden age of diving. Although I disagree, the "nobody dives with a watch" comments will now commence............

[@RJtoon1]

I’m researching these and I fell in love with them, I think they might’ve listened to you Jody the version two has a loomed PIP the height is thinner by 1.1 mm and it’s got five coats of AR coating. It looks like in Canada they are only available on eBay and they’re $248. The brand new tactical frog version two is $30 cheaper. I’m kind of torn but I like the drilled lugs and the useable bezel for timing things on the Seestern.

[@JohanDee]

Hah! I did the same, first bought the Tactical Frog and then noticed the Seestern (pronounced Zay Stern) on the German watchforum, which didn't have the wrong bezel and even a lumed date wheel. As soon I had the Seestern, I sold the Tactical Frog, for what I paid for and the Seestern was even cheaper in the end. Cannot be more happy with this watch for the price. My own niggle would be, that the letters on the dial are somewhat thin, I like it more how Doxa did it and indeed, comparing the hands, they are indeed somewhat shorter and the hour hand is kinda small. I have the same color dial btw...

[@jadenbrown1080]

My skinny wrists might actually be able to pull this off; Find myself drawn to the yellow one the most, oddly enough. Maybe because I don't have a yellow dial yet?

[@stevestevens243]

New version is up for pre-sale now. Changes are 12.5 thickness, added lume pip, better finishing and tighter bezel rotation (I asked via email) $180 plus you get the rubber strap free with pre-order.

[@bontottcsirke6301]

Thank for all mighty that I bought the Seestern orange I would hate to fork out $2000 for Doxa I would regret the Doxa :) As always nice review.

[@ozludo]

There was some grumbling about quality of the Tactical Frog on WUS - that bezel is ridiculous. Jody, would you like to take a look at the Maranaz Samui? I have one and it's pretty good - certainly satisfied my interest in a Doxa.

[@DomP1989]

I picked up the same Seestern with an orange dial at a pawn shop for less than $100. The build quality is amazing! I might get flack for this but I think this watch with the NH-35 movement is so much better of a buy than the ETA 2824 movement you get in the Doxa. You really need to hold the Seestern in your hands though, the quality is amazing.

[@annabel3some]

A rare instance of the homage being better than the original. Outstanding value. I cannot see any reason to buy a new Doxa 300.

[@jackdillon4467]

So glad I caught this video Jody!! I learn so much from you!! Greatly appreciated!! I just ordered the Seestern in orange! 😁

[@MrTw2009]

How do you like the orange? I like the yellow, but orange is my 2nd choice ;)

[@yellownine]

i have the Doxa, and agree the value for money/finishing isnt the best. But i paid for the design and iconic model, not a value king! My heart is with the original, but i may one day pick up a seestern to enjoy the other colours

[@johnbarrie8501]

Great review Jody, had the “Patrick” myself for about 4 weeks now and loving it so much now I ‘m saving up for the Doxa( one of my grails)😃

[@oktc68]

They got a lumed date on their Monster too. I've had a Suub 300T homage from Seestern for around a year now, what a great little watch. Has stood up extremely well, the bracelet was a little stiff when new but gained articulation after a couple of months, It's very comfortable, a wee bit light if anything (many of my divers are over 200grams). I'm really happy with it, in fact my only mild criticism would be of the lume, it's not the brightest but does have decent longevity, just needs to be properly dark in order to see it after an hour, it's still visible (in complete darkness) at four hours. If you can live with the homage thing, then Seestern offer fantastic watches for little money, and if you pick one of the Doxa homages, not many people will be aware of the that brand. For £150 or so you're getting a beautiful Doxa design with a solid Seiko movement, well made from good quality materials. Could always spend a bit more and get a Seiko 5 (I think mine is a V3, it also has a lume pip on the bezel. I have two Seestern's both V3, my buddy has a V2 300T and I think the later versions are often where all the issues are corrected without any new ones replacing them. Wish they offered a PT5000 or even a Swiss movement in this and there other Doxa homage) No issues with it at all and it's worn very wel.l

[@damienclinton4080]

Hmmm, I'm actually really considering this Seestern as I have always loved the Doxa's but am unable to afford one. This is an amazing alternative indeed!!!

[@apeekintime]

Closer to a 1:1 copy but the "upgrades" are nice. Unfortunately, even with the short lug to lug the watch looks gigantic on wrist. If they could bring it down to a 41 or 42mm diameter and 13mm thickness then I would be interested.

[@mattimattwa9064]

V2 is 12.5mm thick and that will be available in two days.

[@BongoManal]

What a nice piece! I am glad there is an alternative to the tactical frog. Just imagine a tactical frog doing covert ops with a dive watch and weapons- just gotta laugh every time I read or hear the name.

[@mocha8232]

I have not been able to understand the popularity of doxa for a long time, and now this shows

[@BrittPearceWatches]

Idk! I still have such a soft spot for the Doxa! I’d personally choose the doxa! ❤️ but I also have a nasty habit of spending too much on watches! 😂🤦🏻‍♀️

[@antonhallergren588]

It's better to not buy a watch at all than buying some nasty copy.

[@trent.vs.robots]

Pretty impressive for the price. I hope luxury brands are taking notice, there may be another 'Quartz Crisis' level reckoning coming now that consumers know how much these watches can be produced for, in house movements aside.

[@WATCHDAVID]

very great details! Love the Seestern! This casebook.... 😳😳

[@kevinwagner9934]

The TF with applied indices is way nicer looking. This gives the dial some depth versus the cheap looking printed indices.👍🏻🎯

[@MisterKnightly]

Love that Doxa so very much. Vaguely horrified by the Seewhatever.

[@TheTonyspoons]

I'm only 35 seconds in but I've had to pause to pay tribute to the Speedball t-shirt - lovely stuff.

[@rogerpianoking1945]

Definitely like the seesteern over the frog. My biggest gripe, the weedy hour hand. Take a bit of the minute and give to the hour hand.😂 apart from that it’s great with that amazing lume 😮👍

[@kimmern999]

Speedball 2 Brutal Deluxe. "Ice cream! Ice cream!" Ah... childhood memories. :-)

[@nickhannaford3253]

Got to like the Mop dial/Sharkhunter. I’ve a bund strap that’s just waiting for it, for that “3 days of the Condor” vibe. Seestern has done a pretty good job from what I’ve seen. Bought my original 300T for about $250 second hand circa 1996. Paid around $1000 for the first reissue circa 2000/2001. Both are Professionals which is orange in Doxa parlance. I’d still recommend saving up for the real deal but if you want a homage for everyday wear, you won’t cry as much if you smash it into a valve by accident.

[@jhatgotagat300]

I’m glad the nh35 is getting hard to come by I have nh35 depression

[@sgtlmj]

The Great Wave off Bikini Bottom!!! LOL! Takes the watch from a homage to more of a campy, fun watch, that doesn't take itself too seriously. Perfect! I also appreciate a Scot reviewing watches. They are known to be er... frugal, so that adds to the recommendation.

[@mulder19x95]

I wanted a decently priced Doxa copy but I won't lie......part of me bought this solely because of the Starfish YEETING itself at the wave 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Gisae]

Ordered it as soon as they came available. I was very surprised by this watch. The quality is great and that BOR is perfect. Mine is running at -11, so I will be regulating it. If they make a black dial I'll be ordering it as well

[@Gisae]

The V2 is available with regular black dial. So it's on its way now.

[@duk4you]

Another awesome review Jody, I will order the seastern when the version 2 is out . Your review is the only one that has a comparison on the 3 brands, we done .love you reviews keep up the work

[@rimas.kalpokas]

I have a couple of monsters and a sub from Seestern. They really set the bar on what can be achieved for under $200! I especially recommend their lume monster variant, that thing is like a torch at night.

[@P_Ezi]

What happens to lume when date flips at midnight? Wouldn't that bring a non-charged (non glowing) bit of the date wheel into the window? How does this work in actual practice?

[@michaelhorn5491]

When the two are held side by side, you can really see how the finishing on the Doxa's bezel makes it much more legible than the bezel on the Seestern.

[@marcuschamp1460]

..... I've had the orange Seestern Sub 200 for a couple of weeks now and absolutely love it , beautifully made and a dream to wear with that band ..... the numbers on the date wheel are a little to the left but apparently that will be sorted out in version 2 .... one thing no one mentions is that the orange dial has an anodised metallic finish and looks stunning ..... most pleased to have secured one before it sold out worldwide ... lucky me ......

[@mirkoscialpi5244]

The ghost of the orient kamasu totally cracks me up! I love your sense of humor Jody!

[@evilganome]

I kept thinking about this watch for a while after seeing this video and I pulled the trigger and got one. Shipping to the US takes a while, but as you said, for the money, this is a nice watch. My only complaint is clasp is very stiff and makes it a bit of a trial to put on or take off, otherwise, not bad at all. I like that with the small dial, the watch wears smaller. Thank again for the recommendation.

[@TomasWatchReviews]

70usd Pagani D. PD1661 has that seal on the crown thread. Or am I mistaking? PD1668 as well.

[@tomzurbi]

No, you are not mistaken. PD1661 has that seal, but I don't know about PD1668.

[@P_Ezi]

What happens to lume when date flips at midnight? Wouldn't that bring a non-charged bit of the date wheel into the window? How does this work in actual practice?

[@MickyBrownEye1]

I bought the right watch 🤗👍. Last week I finally pulled the trigger on the Bulova Lunar Pilot, (the one with the additional nato strap),which I got for just £410 from a local AD. Cant get the smile off my face. 😁

[@Simon_Hawkshaw]

Thank you for your update and correction of your perspectives. I'm glad I haven't yet bought the Tactical Frog.

[@alltheserobotsshallfall]

If it had a domed crystal.... anyway yummy watch! Two homages I'm putting in my wanted list is this one and a 62MAS...

[@raymondhenry175]

Wee question Jody. What happens to the lumed date after midnight?

[@philipmeiring3582]

Just ordered the V2. Apparently it has a lume pip and is a mil thinner. Going to be a great summer beach beater

[@haping1]

Great watch Jody. It looks way better than the Frog. Almost pulled the trigger on that one. I like the overall design off the Doxa, but the price is a no go for me. So, the Seestern is a great alternative. More different look than the Oriënt as well...

[@twinvader_]

Dan Malone on the tee!! I’d know his art anywhere, loved The Chaos Engine back in the day!

[@_taxman_]

Anyone know where you can get integrated rubber straps for this... preferably in white?

[@3rdpig]

I think the minute hand is fine, IMO the Doxa minue hand is too long. But I wish they'd widen the hour hand. But even if they don't I may have to get used to it, I love the look and I've been wanting an orange dial watch.

[@chrisb5986]

I like the details, but after owning several knock-offs, I would get a Sub 200 for under a grand.

[@aviationenthusiasts9278]

Thats sad when you are excited for a new watch but you got the wrong one.

[@busdrivermike13]

I went and purchased the seestern v2 version in yellow after watching this video And oh man do I love it, it’s simply a fantastic watch, wears great , the finish is great and the bracelet is just fantastic

[@MrTw2009]

How do you like the yellow dial? I have my eye on the yellow one myself 🥳

[@Televisiontechnology]

I also bought a tactical frog. Quality issues, couple of small paint chips under the dial, also pins are too close to case so difficult to fit many other straps.

[@CATARINOVICTOR]

my first experience with this watch is that the dial is a little small compared with the case

[@dodgydruid]

I bought the Pagani one as I lacked a NH38 in my collection ticking all the NHxx's. I would have prob have gone with the Seestern otherwise as their orange seems to be a much brighter version but hey ho am pleased with the PD one save there are some niggles like the rattley bracelet and no easy way to get the bracelet adjusted to that sweet spot plus the clasp pops open but it does have the NH38 in which is why I bought it in the first place.

[@Robert.Dickson]

Haven’t read all the comments but love the interaction from the manufacturer 👏🏻👏🏻

[@shmutube]

Kudos on the name - definitely thoughtful. Some names are great in one language, but not in all. 🤷🏾‍♂️ Doesn't have much AR coating either - both minor issues.

[@asdfjklol]

Can you do an "orange dial diver" showdown? For example this, the Seiko SRPD59, the Bulova Devil Diver, Rotary Scuba 7, etc?

[@F3udF1st]

SKX011 is an orange diver, the SPRD is not.

[@fubaralakbar6800]

I love the functionality and value, but I hate the cushioned look. I'd go for the Kamasu if I had the money.

[@leonsergent253]

I bought the right watch! Your review could not have come at a better time! I ordered the exact same watch as the one reviewed for $233.36 CAD. I had seen your review of the Tactical Frog, and being French and even with my highly developed selfdeprecating sense of humour, the frog was not to be. A tachymetre, really? Was the Seestern the better alternative? Thank you for alleviating my doubts! I chose the blue version because enough with the orange watches and straps in my collection already. One question: besides the beads of rice bracelet, any suggestions for straps (that are not NATO's)? Merci beaucoup Jody.

[@brianmsahin]

I've only bought one wrong watch in my watch collecting hobby. It's a lovely 37mm Orient Star dress watch, and looked a bit silly on my 8" trunk. But not a disaster as my wife loved it so it adorns her 5.2" twig! Lol. I love this Seestern , it's on my 11/11 list. I'm not really against the Tactical Frog name, as Frogman was the name given to Navy divers back in 1940's to 1960's before scuba became popular!

[@UnburdenedByWhatHasBeen]

When i think of "stern" i think of the stern of a boat. I just thought they used the wrong spelling of "sea".. good to know its a starfish.

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

Yeah that was my first thought too, Rocco, but someone pointed out the starfish thing. SeaStern would have worked though.

[@martiansunrise7168]

Just bought a Doxa sub300t. Very disappointed with the quality of case. Poor accuracy, +12 a day and the rubber strap is stiff and uncomfortable. Coming from Panerai and Rolex the quality is awful for £1850. Even as a beater it doesn’t compare with a Citizen or Seiko.

[@Valvey789]

The dial depth of the Frog and the Doxa are about the same. The Seestern dial is much deeper, which is too bad.

[@seanpie5481]

I had to stick it out to the end to see if you picked up the unforgivable lack of a lume pip. You did. Nice work.🧐

[@Shri_V]

So glad you included the Kamasu comparison, it's what I always think when I see these $200 homages.

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

Yeah, I think I am going to have to pick up another one. It has been two years since I reviewed it, so it'll be interesting if I still regard it as the benchmark for the price. Not without niggles, but a strong package.... and originality.

[@villagranvicent]

Wow, that Seestern is pretty well made, I wish it was turquoise dial instead of baby blue though!

[@SilentCanary]

Howdy Jody, do you have any videos showcasing how to fully build an SKX013 from scratch? Basically where to buy parts and what not. Super new to watches, would really help.

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

Hello mate! Not sure that is possible. Probably best to find a used one!

[@drwindsurf]

Thank you for another great video Jody! I have noticed you have been upping your videography. I really liked the transitions, macro shots and attention to detail. - Very well done 😊👍

[@Steve-qo4hi]

Great review Jody. Curious as to your opinion on the Maranez?

[@milliganlaw]

How come nobody a silver dial model ? Are they planning any applied indices?

[@johncoote5134]

I have the mother of Pearl dial version and it’s ace I’d ❤️ the blue face