K'Sante is a Problem

[@memelord4450]

This is K'Sante, a champion with 4,700 HP, 329 Armor, and 201 MR, has Unstoppable, a Shield, and goes over walls. Has Airborne, and the cooldown is only 1 second too. It costs 15 Mana. The W CD is even refreshed when he transforms. He has true damage on his passive. Then, when he stacks Armor and MR, he gets Ability Haste too, Ability Haste to his Q, and his spell casting speeds up. Then, he has an AD ratio, so his W…AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@EUM_NEMESIS]

I'm no League player but even I know from playing another MOBA that this Champ sounds broken as fuck. What was Riot thinking with this guy???

[@levislayter]

@@EUM_NEMESIS they weren’t. And they really haven’t been since his release

[@arvintob]

@@EUM_NEMESIS it's because of Riot's 200 Years of Experience Balance Team, one of K'Sante designer's also designed Yuumi, one of League's most annoying champs to play against, the 200 years joke was based of Aphelios, a hero released back in 2019, basically, you pick him in pro play, you're almost sure win

[@m4a1snerfed]

​@@EUM_NEMESIS im going to be rambling a bit but please bear with me. there is the old balance philosophy and there is the new balance philosophy for online games. the old balance philosophy is simply that for something to be good at one thing, it must be bad at another. there must always be tradeoffs. if its easy to play, it can't also be too strong. if it's hard to play, it can't be too weak. then, there is a new balance philosophy, which people claim originated in wow, but really was popularized with league. you have to understand that ghostcrawler, and many of the new people riot brought on after morello, had a different mindset. instead of balancing for characters, you have to balance the players. this was a time when everyone was copying faker and apdo, and applying their lane phase approach in mid lane to other lanes. the game was becoming top down street fighter, everyone was practicing to have insane finesse and laning skill, and the people who did were generously rewarded. so, the game had to change. things had to be removed, things had to be added, things had to be reworked to create a game that was less about creating true balance, where everything has counterplay, and more about keeping the "sweats" in line. this is why zoe was so powerful in s7, this is why ardent censir was ruining bot lane in s7. the goal is not to create balance like chess, the goal is to make sure the game stays fun by limiting the number of ways people can minmax the skill, and to create that "confusion" feeling where nothing works against an op characters so that it becomes even harder to learn the new way to play with each season.

[@3khoDance]

Sounds like he’s needs a buff! Rito was right to buff him last patch! 💀

[@jametsu]

the fact that they included the showmaker copypasta in the actual broadcast is too funny, and should be a wake up call for riot

[@darkjackl999]

Yuumi's continued existence is indicative of riots stance on admitting when they screw up

[@darkcircle899]

What? Yuumi is fine y’all are just haters. Ka’Sante is fine to if you aren’t playing in literal pro play balance barely matters anyway. On ladder below Masters people are making so many mistakes all you have to do is exploit those mistakes to climb it actually doesn’t matter what they’re playing or what you play. Even in the highest ranks players make stupid mistakes all the time. If you aren’t close to reaching the skill cap of the game stop complaining about champions and get better at the game.

[@irishpotato8786]

Dude, there is no wake up call for riot. They've been doing this with new releases for a decade. Its their bread and butter. The same video has been being made literally forever

[@loafersbread]

체력 4700 방어력 329 마저201 인 챔피언👤이 저지불가🚫, 쉴드🛡, 벽🧱 넘기는 거 있고요. 에어본🌪 있고, 심지어 쿨타임은 1️⃣초밖에 안되고 마나🧙‍♂️는 1️⃣5️⃣ 들고 w는 심지어 변신💫하면 쿨 초기화에다가 패시브는 고정피해🗡가 들어가며 그 다음에 방마저🥋 올리면📈 올릴수록📈 스킬 가속⏰이 생기고! q에 스킬가속⏰이 생기고 스킬 속도🚀가 빨라지고📈 그 다음에 공격력🗡 계수가 있어가지고 W가 그 이익-으아아아악😱😱

[@C0astDelta]

EYY WE GOT THE ORIGINAL SHITPOST

[@RLKC8]

w showmaker

[@tiagotakuceoofredacted8802]

This is K'Sante, a champion 👤 with 4700 HP, 329 armor, 201 MR has unstoppable🚫, shield 🛡️, wall🧱 hopping abilities. Has an airborne 🌪️, furthermore the cooldown is only 1️⃣ second mana🧙‍♂️ cost is 1️⃣5️⃣ then when he transforms 💫 w cooldown is refunded and passive deals true damage 🗡️ and then for armor/mr 🥋 the more 📈 and more 📈 you stack, you get cdr ⏰! you get cdr⏰ on your q and the casting speed 🚀 gets faster 📈 and then he has an AD 🗡️ ratio so his W is eek-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA😱

[@serendipity6085]

아 이 댓글 달려고 왔는데 역시 있었네ㅋㅋㅋ

[@QuantemDeconstructor]

first time I've seen this copypasta in Korean, nice!

[@Slashblades1]

Finally chovy lift the curse by not playing with doran

[@X490-e1u]

Doran and Peanut. Peanut has been on a downward spiral since 2017. Should just retire at this point.

[@imdgay5143]

​@@X490-e1u Naahh, it's DORAN. That guy is 100% either good or really bad. Nothing in between. Meanwhile peanut is just META orientation. If the meta good he good all the way, if the meta not good he's absolutely garbage

[@Chesteritea]

and sword

[@nathanielrobles3284]

Bro and Kiin has always been a 1v9 machine and don't forget CanyonKia. They are basically a superduper team.

[@ShinDaeRu]

​@@Chesteritea Bruh that hits different 💀

[@snowyturtly]

Jankos' scream of abject despair always gets me

[@josephnolan6323]

its the scream i have every time bruiser\tank items are stupid op and they just run at you even same level and your autos do nothing despite being perfectly itemized and runed against them

[@thee-sportspantheon330]

@@josephnolan6323 You are an ad carry 2 levels down with 1 item. Please stop.

[@SCP--yv6xq]

@@josephnolan6323a guy that burn both ghost and flash should be able to catch up to you. Please stop crying

[@Anonymous-td9fl]

@@SCP--yv6xq a tank that goes ghost and flash. THATS THE F_D UP PART BROTHER. For example, im fine if darius runs after me, cuz he's garbo in teamfight, like 3x squishier than k'sante while being immobile af compared to him. But k'sante is giga mobile that you cant even kite with a vayne. Which is absolutely crazy cuz he's a tank champion.

[@ihavelonghere]

@@thee-sportspantheon330ah yess we found the lame ass kasante abuser who can’t climb without him😂

[@Jaybird9x]

Don’t forget. The guy who made Ksante also did smolder (who had no weaknesses until they gutted him), and Skarner rework (which is laughably disgusting).

[@Targetdh]

I'm starting to see a pattern here

[@ANilahAtion]

The creator of these champions was fired though.

[@Jaybird9x]

@@ANilahAtion still made them tho.

[@mantraki]

I refuse to believe someone supervised that guy when making those champions, there is no way a group of old rioters saw that and said, "got enough put them in the last stage of production"

[@Jaybird9x]

@@mantraki what’s funny is that he went to Twitter when smolder was broken asf and was like “I’m so glad that everyone has been enjoying smolder so much! To see my champion be played so much really warms my heart 🥰” Yea he def doesn’t need to be put down for sure lmfao

[@RApollos107]

7:29 Chovy is the best example of how and why K’Sante wasn’t permabanned at MSI. There were games where teams were banning almost exclusively Midlaners just because of how ludicrously deep and dangerous Chovy’s champion pool is.

[@lolthatfunny]

i remember Riot had to remove the q Fls kSANTE combo because the combo is undodge able, if adc or carry role get hit, 100% die LOL

[@ez336]

They do that with any luck midlander lmao they have for years. Are you new to league or something?

[@MangoMotors]

He also wasn't permabanned because some teams thought they had a counter strategies like playing TF or Vayne against him, but at least with TF, most games I saw the team with TF not having enough damage or a front line and so K'Sante would just braum the fight.

[@francesco8000]

The Issue with K'sante is that he is a good tank, with cc, resistence etc. that can choose at any point to become a killing machine and murder people. This isn't like Gnar where you have to manage something to get the perfect timing, he just has to press a button and he goes from a wall to a very strong and mobile assassin... all while building tank items (which are usually more cost efficient than damage items). It's a champion that can 1vs1 all the tanks and be a better frontline compared to a normal bruiser or an assassin.

[@thanhao5500]

Just remove his W unstopable in his all out form

[@zoneshift]

He's a Skirmisher, not an assassin. Assassins can't 1v1 tanks. Also as of right now his issue is that his W is overloaded. On top of dealing a good chunk of dmg, he can block tons of damage and do whats basically an unstoppable Ornn E(Unless he gets cc'd right as he dashes). And it's not even the unstoppable that's an issue, since that can be played around. its that he gets so much damage reduction for no reason and the charge time is 1.5 seconds so he can absorb even more damage. It makes sense to have that as a skirmisher, since all skirmishers need a decisive defensive ability like that. But he doesn't need Irelia W as a tank, especially since the offensive capabilities of it are part of what makes him so good in tank form. reducing his W charge time and damage reduction would do wonders, especially in pro play

[@wojciechneumiller8369]

​@@thanhao5500xD?

[@Gojiradogzillagodzilla]

This 100%! Ksante is Gnar if Gnar didnt have to manage fury, and could do E into a minion to bounce into enemy team and do a 5 man R on demand while gaining massive damage.

[@ApexGale]

The issue isn't his play pattern/overall design, it's his numbers being too good and a few problems. What they should do is remove his ability to kidnap people through walls - not only does he become a skirmisher with good damage, but he also isolates squishies from their team and gets to rip them apart without worrying about retaliation from their team members.

[@Tenz220]

Who knew that a Tank with more mobility than an assasin with immunity to cc and damage reduction behind 1 button can build full tank and convert those tank stats into AD to assasinate the backline while tanking 5 ppl was a good idea? Oh yeah lets also give him Yasuos kit and kidnap enemy halfway across the screen to get out and a pull thats active every 3rd q.

[@theillogicalmindset]

They made a support assassin. Then they made an ADC assassin. Now a tank assassin. What's next? An assassin assassin?

[@coolgabe555]

Healing Assassin

[@chikkennuget1017]

Yummi assassin

[@PlopPopPoppin]

​@@coolgabe555 cease 😂

[@germanpotatoe8527]

who is the adc assassin? samira?

[@lam9235]

​@@germanpotatoe8527i think Kai'Sa

[@kae1971]

Chevy broke his curse. No he got a new curse. Since 2016 every MSI winner haven’t won worlds.

[@nix294]

Oof, I definitely forgot about that

[@zei9447]

Chovy is on a golden road he is lisan algaib

[@fkoda4194]

😂😂😂😂​@@zei9447

[@smoltaengoo]

its actually crazy how only 1 team managed to win msi and worlds in the same year pretty much every team aside from rng 2022 were really fkin good rngs run kinda mickey mouse one with having that 35 ping bullshit

[@Kurtofon]

​@@smoltaengoo Rng were good, everyone had the same conditions, also The best teams that worlds was EDG, RNG, and DWG no doubt so yeah.

[@onthedre]

K'Sante gets more ability haste after building tank..? And tanks are getting more CDR when new items drop? Someone at Riot wants to keep K'Sante buffed so they can stay in Gold.

[@clarence3238]

Well not really, His q doesnt take ability haste. Instead it scales like yasuo or yone Q. But he uses armor and magic resist, so more stats the faster the q cd is. Either way its stupid. He doesnt actually need haste too much.

[@paudinha]

Ksante Q works like this: more armor/MR = lower Q's CD; more HP = faster Q casting time

[@Xygard]

It's Yasuo/Yone Q situation but tank

[@egosumv3112]

Tanks were given more AH through "adjustments" (nerfs for most) to Sunfire items, and he scales terribly with AH. Even if he did like AH, Sunfire is already bad on him regardless, and the patch dropped 11 days ago. You don't even have to make these contortions to insinuate that it's an insidious conspiracy because he was literally directly buffed this patch!

[@zoneshift]

Haste isn't effective on K'sante

[@markpaloma3914]

4700 HP, 329 armor, 201 MR champion👤 has unstoppable🚫, shield 🛡, wall🧱 hopping abilities. Has an airborne 🌪, furthermore the cooldown is only 1️⃣ second mana🧙‍♂️ cost is 1️⃣5️⃣ then when he transforms 💫 w cooldown is refunded and passive deals true damage 🗡 and then for armor/mr 🥋 the more 📈 and more 📈 you stack, you get cdr ⏰! you get cdr⏰ on your q and the casting speed 🚀 gets faster 📈 and then he has an AD 🗡 ratio so his W is eek-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA😱😱

[@BJLungLung]

I feel like among the relatively newer top champs, sett was the best design by far. No complex bs mechanics with 15 passives filled into 4 skills, no dashes, easy to understand and very strong

[@localhobo5362]

yeah, and he is giga boring to play? Ksante is actually fun to play despite him being so broken

[@jakeberube5779]

I agree except for one issue. People keep finding ways to make a true damage one shot build with his w and it’s honestly really anti fun and unhealthy for the game. His w should probably be reworked in a way where the damage is capped even if you build only health because this build always pops up and gets him nerfed

[@SilencePandaa]

@@localhobo5362 and sett is still one of the more balanced newer top laners because of how simple he is. Riot made Ksante because they wanted a new "high-skill" expression top laner but they fucking overtuned the shit out of him by making him scale on basically everything.

[@wojciechneumiller8369]

Yea Sett w in late gamę deal 3k+ True dmg fair xD

[@toobig7150]

​@@siperog he haves 2 stun tho, and a pretty wide one for that and an almost impossible to dodge one (ult)

[@crmson3833]

I mean the guy who made ksante is the same guy who did reworked skarner and smolder i believe, shows you the design goals

[@localneo-graphic4647]

Sounds about right, seems he likes tanks dragging champs through walls.

[@Rhyolite-hyena]

@@localneo-graphic4647 Into the wall gulag you go

[@aoisora1445]

@@localneo-graphic4647 2 tanks that can drag you through walls... and well at least smolder can not drag you through wall... but wait... Drag is short for Dragon... he can fly over the wall... Drag through wall... 3/3 Drags through wall confirmed...

[@Vindenci]

Wanna hear a joke? Smolder was so strong at one time that during a pro match the enemy team couldn't win bc of him, they had baron elder and were 1-2 ahead of him but while smolder was alive they couldn't end otherwise smolder would penta kill them and retake the game, they only manage to win bc he got caught off due to a missplay and them they won. The dude who designs those champions never played before

[@breadscream6619]

​@Vindenci it was the t1 game. Where guma caught smolder with an arrow

[@Rncko]

They made a MOBILE tank champion that scaled waaaay harder than any other Tank when stacking the same Armor/Magic Resis. Other tank becomes tankier while stacking but this champ on top of those gains haste & with more haste, he becomes a bruiser with tankiness of tank. Then ..... the champ literally goes 7-0 in MSI after Play-Ins, Yeap, a 5 game match with him in winning team every game plus another 2 game next team next day. 7-0 beast.

[@kaungsetmoe4876]

Even MLBB has hero that scales dmg with armor, but she's nowhere broken, she's decent at best.

[@zoneshift]

yes.... Armor/Mr that he loses when he wants to deal damage... Try again. Also competitve doesn't play on recently updated servers, so all the nerfs K'sante gets is not reflected in pro play.

[@informatorkubka5929]

bro, mundo rammus, amumu malphite doesnt exist? lmao

[@Rncko]

@@informatorkubka5929 Wait a sec, my original comment..... is missing the context scales harder than any tank. Let me edit real quick. No wonder I got all these comments. Also, Mundo scales off HP Rammus and Malp has bias towards Armor Amumu doesn't scales off hard with resis If anything my ideal tank in League is Ornn. Stacks evenly with any resis, bonus makes him more tanky, requires landing qwer correctly or need to back off & a pretty nice bonus upgrade touch to allies. K'sante tho. Scales evenly across any resis & on top of that gains HASTE off it. Dude is slow early game but later on plays like Irelia with Xin Zhao ult but is a tank.

[@informatorkubka5929]

@@Rncko than how u atgue that he is sitting at 46% win rate xD

[@CerbearusBane]

He does get a mini-rework every 3-4 patches...and not a single time has it mattered.

[@yurilopes420]

except for the fact the champ is objectively bottom 3 champs in league right now in anything that's not a pro level setting

[@IIISPKIII]

@@yurilopes420 exactly

[@onthedre]

I played Camille for years and always relied on her late game to win games. K'Sante is legit the only tank who straight up just beats Camille no matter the itemization she has. He basically deals more damage and takes less too. The champ needs a rework.

[@8thgstriker412]

if they took away his dmg scaling on hp and then forced ksante to just build standard bruiser hed be fine i think..... he just does too much damage and doesnt take any

[@needsmoresalt817]

Lol are you silver?

[@frddyyfezbeer2368]

@@needsmoresalt817or are you a silver? Cuz high rank K'sante r a demon

[@tugre4825]

So a zac isnt a problem for you at all considering he is a tank too .

[@needsmoresalt817]

@@frddyyfezbeer2368 Are you playing in high elo?

[@stargazing209]

I feel like it all went downhill in champion design department when Aphelios got released, until then champions had personality and memorable iconic kits that focus on one thing, after that all the new champions are just stuffed with 10 hidden passives, 20 different synergies and ofc every possible tool in the game: high mobility, high dmg, some type of shield/ dmg reduction, gap closers etc. New champs just lost their charm, i used to learn the new champs on day one bcs they had simple but logical kits, now i can't be bothered bcs there's 20 different little things hidden in their kits...

[@VVheeli]

Imo the champ that really broke everything was Yasuo. If you go back in LoL history, I think that’s the point where Riot really found out how much money “flashy and cool” made instead of your simple stuff. Especially when “flashy and cool” could be piloted by a high schooler and still get huge impact. Aphelios was the grand culmination of “Riot does not know how to make healthy kit designs” with his one shot AOE ult on release, but Yasuo just broke like 6 different league staples from his kit. Windwall, CDR with attack speed, crits on an ability, consistent CC during scraps and teamfights, dashes based on enemies in the area instead of a CD, an auto-based melee that had a great teamfighting ult, and stat modifiers in his passive, and a passive shield. This champ is over 10 years old. Yasuo feels like a champ you could release now and say “another overloaded champ smh” when the benchmark for it was like Thresh.

[@localneo-graphic4647]

@@VVheeli It's a slippery slope, for me it's Illaoi, she was the first champ where people were actually like, "lol, why the fuck is her passive like 3 paragraphs long". Sadly, Illaoi seems simple now compared to newer champs. This mentality was solidified when Jhin came out, the SECOND champ with an obnoxious amount of text in his passive. Despite the numbers being complex, Jhin was at least intuitive, you didn't need to read all that shit unless you really wanted to theory craft, you just needed to count to four. Jhin was cool, because of his success Riot designers started buying their own bullshit and getting in a dick waving contest with each other to make the dumbest champ possible. Seriously, if you want to see how dysfunctional their team is, go look at Fizz's patch history, scroll to 9.14, and look at the hotfix war two devs had over his useless passive. It's both hilarious and sad.

[@EarlHare]

@@VVheeli for me it was Zoe. Oneshot from 2 screens away, 0 counterplay if she managed to bubble you, usually from fog. The sad part is that anyone who decided to main her and bought skins for her is now stuck with a complete lemon of a champ that is never allowed back into the meta. Riot sells the fantasy of game balance, but they've broken that trust for years now, all in the name of Tencent shareholder profit.

[@samuel-nq6he]

Nah aphelios is cool

[@thezedmain1603]

if u look back, league champs actually lost their charm quite a bit earlier imo. Around 2016-2017 era you see a huge spike of toxic champs and toxic abilities being released. thats when the game got really unbalanced and crazy, thats the turning point for me. thats the time where champs like camille, zoe,ornn,kayne came out. Lots of these champs might not seem too crazy now but they were so game breaking at the time, i remember when camille first came out, her ult was so completely broken vs adc champs, and ornn was one of the first tank assasins that had op lane phase and scaled to the moon. Zoe was basically old nidalee but on steroids and she would just one shot u from fog of war, and kayne could just go through large walls and one shot you and warding didnt matter. i would say 2016-2017 was really where champ quality fell off and stuff started to get unhealthy.

[@TheMilchBroetchen]

Typical problem in League is that they need to balance between pro play and the average player. In Plat Ksante has a 45.3% winrate and in masters a 48.1%, while in Pro play he goes 7/0 and completly obliterate games.

[@fatguy4137]

I can't stop chuckling.

[@aoisora1445]

in other words he is hard to master, but once you do master him its basically GG win the game 1v5 into the team, grab the adc or other carry with ult combo and run to safety while finishing them off... not counting even if it is a 1 for 1... enemy has to nuke you with skills that may or may not include one or two ultimates of their own meaning the 4v4 to come is advantageous in that enemy blew most their kit on K'sante...

[@zutchse7709]

​not really, in pro play you have team work and comms whereas in soloq its not possible. This makes it have low winrate

[@atomickarate3421]

And he's picked even more up in GM and Challenger as he has no bad matchups and basically either wins or neutralizes the lane given the player's mastery of him.

[@TheFadZero]

​@@aoisora1445 Ksante doesn't work in professional because the players know how to play him. But because of teamwork communication and all around meta in comp

[@zattanna74]

the problem with kisante is his over designed was so broken that no nerfs can stop him, he needs a total rework with new skills and passive and ulti bascially destroy the current one and rebuild him, and they wont do that since its lil nas creation in a sense for worlds

[@D00ML0RD1]

Swap his passive to deal Physical damage remove the dmg Immunity from his charge give it Strictly cc Immunity. Make the sheild on his other dash block only ad dmg. Then up his bas numbers tell his in a ok spot. Genral rule of thumb tanks should never have built in true dmg

[@yurilopes420]

​@@D00ML0RD1 his passive deals physical damage, it only deals true damage in ulti, and it's still not enough damage other tanks can 1v1 him

[@6DarthSion9]

​​@@D00ML0RD1no CC immunity, if he has so many dashes he doesn't deserve it, no CDR scalling off of resists. His ult should work like Poppy's dash and when he's all out he gets just little on hit dmg scalling magic dmg from MR and physical dmg from AD something up to 10% of bonus resists, no bonus AD, no scalling off of AD on abilities, no true damage and keeps current HP% so if he was at 50% of 4000 so 2000 goes to 50% of 2600 so 1300. That's all.

[@D00ML0RD1]

@@6DarthSion9 the cc immunitys for yhe charge time the idea his he can still be poked so it becomes risk vs reward

[@vojtacermak531]

To be honest I feel this way about tanks in general - I feel like so many tanks have insane ammount of dmg despite building full tank and the only way to deal with them is somehow keep your distance which is sometimes really hard when they have some sort of thing like malph ult, ghost, jumps, etc. but it´s true that new champs usually have overloaded kits that just allow them to do too much - I dont mind tanks doing some dmg but I think they shouldnt have the ability to 100-0 in 4 seconds, thats an assasins job not tank´s

[@thatBRYAN]

Great video, impressed by Dimitri's understanding of League👍

[@arntry8072]

Riot is just inching how much power creep they could add into the game. It already went downhill when they added hp % true damage, like no way they could create any interesting champ other than make it absurdly stronger than what true damage can give out.

[@AMOSLZY]

This is K'Sante🤔 , a champion with 4,700 HP, 329 Armor, and 201 MR, has Unstoppable 🤚, a Shield👌✌. Has Airborne, and the cooldown is only 1 second too✊. It costs 15 Mana👍. The W CD is even refreshed when he transforms👈. He has true damage on his passive✌. Then, when he stacks Armor and MR, he gets Ability Haste too👐, Ability Haste to his Q😨 , and his spell casting speeds up😰. Then, he has an AD ratio, so his W👊🏿😭👊🏿…AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA🖐😭🤚

[@drunkengibberish1143]

He is the tank Yasuo/yone. His Q is a copy and paste with the scalings changed to tank stats. He has a dash, shield, and an ultimate + dash that combined with his kit can make him an absolute monster and make flashy plays at the press of a button.

[@Xygard]

Also doesn't help that the top top laner at MSI, kiin, bin, Zeus, 369 are ksante merchant that also makes ksante look unkillable because his Akali kit but tank

[@zbz5505]

Ksante Just has the issues every new champ has. Their supposed weaknesses are always nonissues. In ksante's case, he's supposed to deal low dmg in tank form and be squishi in all out form, in reality he deals too much dmg by default and is still tanky in all out form.

[@longlifetometal1995]

Tbh I think his low variance is what makes him so strong atm in pro play in, as mentioned, a meta that is highly volatile by League standards. I think only removing the unstoppability on his W and reducing the distance he travel with R in walls to Ekko E1 level would help a ton in creating ways to punish him in fights and not render risk-taking champions like Draven and Vayne completely useless by removing any sort of peel they need in teamfights

[@Runegorger]

Is this a series? I'm loving the format

[@martinlatour9311]

His kit is just OP. If they don't change it, numbers won't affect nerfs unless they put him into the ground

[@JBirdBobbyJ]

Bro nailed it when he said K'Sante is someone a 13 year-old would come up with if they had 0 concept of balance.

[@Ghytiees]

I agree that K'Sante is a problem. Though I want to point out quoting a WR without controlling for compounding factors is not accurate. If you look at K'Sante mains (50+ games played) WR from League of Graphs his WR is ~52%. The number is unlikely completely accurate but I think I've seen Riot stating that K'Sante mains also have an above 50% WR.

[@localhobo5362]

aside from what you said, Ksante shines in 5v5 team fights, and there far less controlled 5v5's in soloq, so he is less usefull, plus he is actually not easy to play. Aiming for 50% wr for him in soloq is not realistic

[@egosumv3112]

All mains have a >50% win rate. He should have a low win rate because he's newer and has a high skill floor, but he's not strong in solo queue.

[@zoneshift]

I don't really get what you're trying to say since almost everyone has over 50% wr with their mains. also 52% for a main is prety low. andkind of off topic but I think you'd need more than 50 games to be considered a main on K'sante since he's a hard champ.

[@Ghytiees]

@@zoneshift K'Sante obviously takes skill so quoting a WR that doesn't bar out those with little to no experience playing the champ, which can greatly alters perception. K'Sante, if you main it and learn the champ, is a good to decent pick even in solo queue. The only stat that I can find that takes into account champion winrates by experience is from League of Graphs accounting for 50+ games played, however accurate it is, it is all I can find with such a parameter. K'Sante is in the middle of the pack for 50+ game experience which could be construed as a bad thing since his skill ceiling is relatively high and only 50 games isn't that much, as you said. As of now, K"Sante's with 50+ games played have gone up to ~54%. According to LoG the highest 50+ game experience champ by WR is ~65% and the lowest is ~44%, that's why I am stating that the accuracy is somewhat questionable but its the only thing I can find so I'm just gonna go with it for now until I can find something more tangible. We can all agree, I think, that mains will pretty much allows have a higher average WR on their respective champ than the pure WR.

[@worldiefeard8396]

Your observation is correct and it's why Ksante is so strong in elite play. His skill floor is *very* high. You need to both know his kit inside out and the matchups to know how to play against everything. Similarly to say, Azir, he's one of those champions who only shines on people that have elite-level gameplay and are willing to put hundreds of games into him to learn. Which is also where the balance problem comes: if you nerf him further, he drops to unplayable in soloqueue while barely hanging on 50% in elite play. If you *dare* to buff him for soloq, he's invincible in elite/proplay. Unfortunately, he needs an actual kit rework. Not numbers change, kit rework. Otherwise, he'll stay as the Azir or Ryze of toplane, 35% winrate in soloq, broken in proplay.

[@letringuyen5183]

Never thought I'd see this man doing League's content. Been enjoying all of his CS and DOTA 2's ones.

[@RedpandaplaysHD]

Sad how they stoped making simple toplaners

[@C0astDelta]

Simple top laners that players develop and enhance the techniques for.

[@axelnova123]

Simple champions in general.

[@mumenrider677]

What are you talking about? K'Sante was the first top laner released since Gwen and Sett, two of the simplest kits released in the past 10 years lmfao

[@bleh8407]

sad that they made the game ten time simpler already so no hands like you say i peaked

[@RedpandaplaysHD]

@@bleh8407 thats not my point, my point is that simpler champs are easyer to balances / more fun to play with and play against aka they are more healthy for the game

[@the_armada5579]

The issue with Ksante is that he can have only 1 ad and still be able 5o kill anyone in a 1v1 because he can permanently cc lock anyone. And then, while he locks down 1 champ making it impossible for them to attack, he has enough armor/Mr and enough shielding to survive while an entire enemy team attacks him while he picks them off one at a time

[@xanschneider]

I've been saying that about K'Sante since it came out. Got nerfed to the ground and it was still popping off in pro play.

[@samuel-nq6he]

He's been the strongest top in pro since his release 18 months ago lmao

[@zoneshift]

Because they nerfed him for soloq and not for proplay.

[@rico_felipe]

The Showmaker copypaste is my animal soul

[@202215jaffe521]

To anyone that don't play League, K'Sante is the launch version Lion of R6S, launch version Revolver of CS, BB + TA with infinite mana and zero cool down in Dota, Doomfist and Genji have a baby but wearing Reinhardt suit with Zarya give him shield time on time

[@nathanielrobles3284]

200yrs of experience and riot still don't get that a tank should have a low damage and high damage champs should be squishy to balance things but no, they want a tanky high damager to fuck on the game. Someone you can't kill but can kill you.

[@muizzkazi5432]

You never, NEVER, mix tank and assassin classes together, ever. In any game, EVER.

[@tienatle805]

K'sante is broken but really fun to play tho. Actually, I returned to league and play till now because of Ksante interesting kit. Once getting addicted to his playstyle, it's really hard to get satisfied with other champs.

[@freedomgesus4634]

Yet i have never ran into a good ksante on the rift.

[@aurghoahp4519]

Thanks for letting us know. Nobody knew he was a problem, big enlightenment from you guys.

[@stinky8744]

I love Ksante, but when he gets changed plz change yone and Yas as well. Thank you Riot Games.

[@ahmedronaldokahn2352]

LEC, LCK, LPL...tell me...which tournament K'Sante didn't ruin?

[@hecksters423]

LCL Can't ruin a region when you don't exist 🗿

[@anoshahmad2849]

"ORNN with the speed of AKALI" ! bro Ive been saying that exact phrase for about a year NOW! IM SO HAPPY and kinda jealous that you made a video on this topic. I believe if Ksante exists then a champs like Shen shud have no energy and his taunt shud be on a 7 sec cooldown. Cuz, you know, why bother balancing a tankiness with offensive prowess and mobility. There are 3 champs in League that I have vowed never to purchase: Yuumi, Seraph and Ksante. I hate everything about them and nth will ever change my mind.

[@xBinyWolf]

K'sante is gnar done wrong, and gnar is another champion that needs to be kept on the weak side too. Gnar can go to a ranged champion with solid damage and below average survivability to a solid juggernaut with a really good engage but you have to manage his passive to get the value. Ksante is an amazing tank with solid damage and cc that BY PRESSING A BUTTON can isolate a target and become an high mobility bruiser with good survivability and good damage. If gnar wants to do damage he has to sacrifice mega's form tankiness and he is basically a weaker adc in mini, and if he wants to tank he has to rely on w passive damage alone and deals 0 damage in mega and his kit is still considered too good to be viable and the only upside he has over ksante is that his cc on ult is aoe(but it is basically worse qyiana ult), see the problem?

[@assassinbob2986]

right, except his winrate in solo que is 45% and is considered a d tier top.

[@RangerKyl]

"ksante is CATAGORICALLY BUSTED"- shows a kayle 2 items down standing still in melee range

[@Longbajubi]

Phreak didn't listen to Showmaker and make that champ even more busted.

[@maka5168]

I play ksante since his release and he was OP then in soloq and in proplay still now despite his low wr in soloq i still play him and all adjustments they gave him im still very good with him but people in low elo dont know how to utilize him properly and know his limits even tho he is weak now they are weakining him more and more and i am mad about it

[@huynguyen-gl4sn]

2 reasons he will continue to be broken: 1. High school wet dream game design from “200 yrs of game design experience.” 2. Have RITO themselves ever admit their’s mistakes ? NO !!!

[@ohlookitsadumbperson1169]

I WILL NOT YIELD

[@anyone6830]

If they really want to solve it and go full on with the no-risk tank becomes high risk dmg dealing and shred his own tankiness, make him unable to recover hp in any form during ult, and make the player able to cancel the ult status. If you want damage, you don't get survivability in any form. If you want tankiness, you don't do damage

[@adcyuumi]

The biggest red flags that a champion is not just too strong, but WAY too strong: - Their win-rate spikes high in the short term, then falls below 50% in the long term. (mains finish climbing) - They have a high pick/ban rate despite the negative win-rate. (so strong they get first-timed if not banned) - They have a high ELO presence but not much of a low ELO presence. (even the worst players can climb on them) K'Sante is the most "way too strong" champion RIOT has ever produced. Even Samira at her most broken did not see those locking her in inflate their ELO to the point where she began to see a negative win-rate despite being strong. Even Yone, Ekko, Fizz, and other high damage champions with a free escape button do not approach K'Sante's levels of damage + unkillable. (Yone does in fact come pretty close though; arguably he's the 2nd most over-tuned champion atm.) What troubles me most is that I notice a lot of "secret tech" in how K'Sante can be built that players haven't even discovered yet. Even if nerfed, he's going to get much much stronger as players discover these things. He needs nerfed in a pretty major way. It isn't healthy for the game to have an unkillable tank with repositioning, cc, and damage all in one kit. Some of that is fine... but all of it at once is not.

[@Scott74921]

Yone got out of hand with the old BOTRK + Hullbreaker + Lethal Tempo setup. With old Hull + Lethal gone, Yone is now in dumpster tier xD

[@yurilopes420]

1 - never seen ksante winrate spike 2 - not one person bans ksante, nobody is scared of him in soloq cause he's 43% winrate 3 - ksante isnt that picked even in high elo compared to pro all bullshit

[@gauchesuedo]

Fought a K'Sante as Warwick top a couple days ago, absolutely wiped the floor with him - wasn't even close.

[@oridekel5991]

Great video man. You are fun and wholesome❤ enjoyed watching this

[@Tamachii12]

They never learn that cramming too much stuff and not adding weaknesses won't end up well i guess...

[@freshlymemed5680]

There is no numbers change or minor rework that will fix K'sante. He is a champion that by design and concept will always be broken, at least in a competitive environment

[@azurclerx951]

I’ve never understood how they could make a tank-skirmisher, which are the polar opposite in terms of class, and not think something is wrong. Tanks are supposed to take damages and put out CC but having low mobility and poor damages. Skirmishers have high mobility and damage but little to no CC and low survivability. I thought they would have learned after their assassin support that sometimes some classes shouldn’t be mixed

[@SizzilinBacon]

Immediately clicked on this video looking for one thing. I was not dissapointed.

[@ayooludipe3493]

Correction he wasnt buffed going into MSI he was buffed on 14.10 and MSI was played on 14.9

[@TheMrBonzz]

Maybe don't let celebrities who clearly know nothing about the game make their self insert character next time. Big Nas ZZZ has been nothing but nightmare no matter how much nerf he gets

[@shreeanshmahapatra2313]

I doubt he had anything to with the abilities or the numbers. Only thing he helped with was visual design and backstory.

[@WhiteHairSupremacy]

This is more of a new champion problem like yuumi was, honestly speaking

[@jostnaleman3738]

I truly believe he is ok under league context. I think the main issue is that he should be building bruiser items instead of tank, he scales soo well with tank items being soo cheap so it allows him to be this oppressive. Make hin build AD and gaing bonus resistances in exchange of the AD he has.

[@alvarobarcellos8466]

Rework him, make him jungle this guys lore is a hunter with a really big ego in his job thats jungle

[@hannesh234]

Lets start little with the ksante changes, for example make his r like poppy e or skarner e, so he doesn't jump through walls with it.

[@Unknown-gc7tn]

Question: why don’t we nerf his resistance scaling for damage? That or when K’sante is in ult form, his w doesn’t give him an unstoppable status. Maybe instead of an unstoppable and damage reduction, he gains something like rammus w thorns

[@NightLife360]

Glad the guy who designed ksante got fired, tf was he thinking?

[@kippy184]

Well at least the heartsteel song makes sense. "Everytime you pop off. They hoping that you fall hard"

[@Merugaf]

Got a vid coming on the 27 kills Penta in their fountain final game? It had everything.

[@Yvädastra]

If they just removed his resistance scalings and made him a juggernaut, so many problems would go away. The biggest issue with K'Sante isn't just his damage and mobility, it's how durable he gets to be with those things, and you can't really take away his damage or mobility without ruining the champion.

[@Unknown-gc7tn]

People forget that Kinn used w on Zac r to avoid the cc that comes from the initial hit

[@yaheki]

This champ is so broken, people stop complaining about akshan for a second lol Imagine we have akshan in that comp and he somehow revive K'sante, and they are in enemy team.

[@Topunito]

IMO I think his ult form needs to be more DPS than burst. Right now he can just assassinate people, even bruisers, in basically one combo before they have much of a chance to fight back.

[@comebackfailed6350]

when you see ksante, it's impossible not to see showmaker

[@ReynaldRam]

I always pick ksante when i want to win, no matter how bad i was in laning phase i will always be useful in a teamfight just identify the strongest in their team and then ult them out of the fight works like a charm

[@MajorBuzzKill]

The never admit being wrong, if they make a horrible patch they don’t revert it, they just make a new one adjusting something else to fix the previous one. That’s how riot has operated so far and i don’t see why they would change it. Ksante will most likely be nerfed to the ground and forgotten for a while.

[@ericeddy02]

I think it's time for Riot to do something they probably haven't done - disable a champ from pro play due to balance issues. I know there have been bugs they've disabled champs for, but not for being just overall unhealthy for pro play.

[@Multiple0001]

And then they let the same f**cking guy who made him, rework Skarner, who is currently beyond broken and basically Ksante 2.0. I am glad he got fired...

[@MouseDestruction]

Riot constantly and consistently breaks the rules they themselves set down for champion design. One of the reasons for this is because they had to shorten the game length a lot. It went from an average of 45-55min to 25-35 min. That's almost halved the length of a game. The game lengths have come up again a little bit in the last few seasons, but its still a lot different game to what it once was. I would quite like to see longer games again, as they are slowly improving on the match quality with the report system and loss refunds these days, the punishments for losing to AFKs are a lot less now.

[@zachdillenger5468]

fun fact the guy who made k'asnte is the came guy who did smolder and they fired him

[@kingdomgame6787]

« I will not die, not yet amigo »

[@alies-]

All modern League balancing problems boil down to the fact that these new champs have 100 word essays in their skill descriptions. Every single one of them. Skarner, K'sante, Akshan, list goes on and on. And the weird thing is that vast majority of people is unhappy with it, memeing about Singed or Nasus and other OG champs having smaller description in their full kit than one new champ passive. AND RIOT STILL KEEPS DOING THIS OVER AND OVER 🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂

[@golrakklestuff6861]

It's funny how Riot has an opposite stance when it come to releasing charatcers in valorant and league. In Valorant they are often pretty lackluster (harbor, deadlock, iso and even clove looks like a niche pick) and in league you have all these crazy new champions that break the convetions of the game that they themselves set...

[@yeosongkhim]

K Snate is the new ryze in lol in 2024 his broken in pro play but worse in solo Q play

[@DuckingNando]

This video explaining why K'sante is horrific for the game balance and pro play reminds me of Arthur's sister: "You can't stop me because I can't read" meme, and I think it is precisely what is happening with Riot after he just got another buff for no reason in this new split

[@numinex291]

No one but riot maxwells champs he also made yuumi an untargetable enchanter, but also ksante the tank with damage cc shields and plenty of dashes makes champs that cover for their class weaknesses

[@jakeberube5779]

K’sante would be fine if riot just went along with what the plan for him was supposed to be. They wanted him to be a tank whose ult traded his tankiness for damage for a duration. The issue is that riot still allows him to do extremely good damage in his base form and then when he ults he is still tankier the any non tank champ

[@zema9401]

He was obviously broken and we all saw that at release. The sad thing is that Riot only looks at numbers and not at the actual games and thus think he is in line with everyone else. They dont think their champions have overloaded kits (they said it themselves) when millions of players (their customers and people that play the game every day) disagree with them.

[@phongngothai6143]

Hope the akali treatment caught up to Ksante. I'm a akali main, and I don't wanna suffer alone

[@120136pie]

I really apparcite using games of vods and acutally breaking them down. Too many times KZbin videos feels all filler no substance. Cheers for restoring my faith in content.

[@soura6995]

Our Philippine k'sante is more broken, he can pause the game, and disqualify you when you are emoting

[@MrThorpedro]

EVERY NEW CHAMPION IS THE PROBLEM, the next one will do the same or worse

[@SomeCrumbs]

Ich fühle Jankos und Showmaker auf nem anderen Level

[@Jeff_Saber]

"K'Sante is a champion a 13 year-old can come up with on lunch break" *_Lil' Nas X is 13 confirmed_*

[@petar5968]

If i am not wrong he loses 30% armor and mr when he ults. So if you just want to tune the numbers and not chamge the whole kit he should probably lose like 50% and remove the true damage and just buff his passive ad by a certain amount like make it 8% max health ad instead of however much true he has

[@143tg]

You are wrong, he already loses 75%

[@Shaboops]

I miss the days when people would describe Lee Sin as the pinnacle of laughably overtuned.

[@202215jaffe521]

The hatred on K'Sante being op is universal, LCK, LPL, LEC, LCS, VCS,PCS, CBLOL, LJL, basically every-fucking-where

[@punklingyt]

Riot I have an idea! Just let AD champions have actual Real Legitimate Non-restrictive Tank busting Itemization We have a game state where mages can, oftentimes, be better tank busters than AD champs. They can itemize sustained damage, % Max HP damage, and infinitely stack MPen. AD champs can...build % current HP, against champs that are notorious for getting more defensive the lower HP, they get...and they can get 1 item for 30-35% Armor Pen, then they are locked out. That's it. Heaven forbid, good anti-tank itemization might give ADC a viable role