K13 glider spinning and stalling at the London Gliding Club

A video of my spinning training in order to go solo.
Website: clementallen.com
Facebook page: / clementallenphotography
Flickr: www.flickr.com...
Instagram: / clementallen

[@greg_d]

Nice landing, right down the centerline of the runway. :)

[@ClementAllen]

+botulism Haha! Nothing wrong with a grass strip :)

[@Rob-vv5yn]

Had a few nice flights in a K13, lovely machine just slowed down quite quicky and I had the misfortune once to arrive a little short of the clubs airfield when the other pilot decided to do a couple of more doubtful turns trying to get some height home. He picked up the bar tab for that and walked home, I took the glider tow home. The field we landed in was too short and we needed minimum weight so fatty had to walk, LOL

[@petethewrist]

I used to love spins in the 13. But then I loved everything about the 13...

[@aquaticrabbitshooter6376]

....i soloed in the K13 ...i had to do three consecutive launches by the reverse pulley system.... cheap and effective...on my third flight a squall hit me on my base leg...and when I turned finals I could not see ahead because of the rain... fortunately I had plenty of space and I was able to open the clearview and look out sideways and land by attitude...our CFI was quite impressed....i went away to launder my trousers....i flew for a while after that and even joined a syndicate with a single seater..romance struck me and I couldn't keep up with my passion because of the expense ..so unfortunately I have had to live with an itch I am unable to scratch.

[@Ririami1]

Woooow I loved it

[@spacejam5410]

feel lucky to be able to do this at my club

[@casaamaril]

As far as I know the EASA does no longer allow instructors to do loops or these kind of recovery practices with their students in the near future. I, for one, think that this is a mistake. A glider pilot should learn to corrrect his glider.

[@ClementAllen]

I didn't know that! I think that is a big mistake, learning these recoveries has really helped me get a better understanding of stalls and spins and how to safely recover from them.

[@tomdale1977]

Complete rubbish. EASA are not going to 'ban' spin training.

[@casaamaril]

Tom Dale Is it, well I read it in the dutch gliding magazine Thermiek last year. It is possible that this applies only to the dutch situation. This is the link: issuu.com/thermiek/docs/thermiek_2014-1 it is in dutch but it says: instructors are nolonger permitted to perform loopings

[@tomdale1977]

+casaamaril I can't read Dutch, but I suspect 'loopings' means a loop-the-loop which EASA would consider an aerobatic manoeuvre. They would expect anyone performing them to posses an appropriate aerobatic rating and anyone teaching such manoeuvres to posses an aerobatic instructor rating. EASA and gliding (at least in the UK) are at a transitional point and exactly what will happen in the future is the subject of much debate and misinformation. However, I am quite certain they will not 'ban' basic essential training exercises such as spinning and stalling. Which is what you saw in the video and is distinct from looping. Even if they did, no one would listen to them. If a pilot cannot recover a glider from a spin, he is not safe to fly it solo.

[@casaamaril]

Tom Dale Thanks for your reply, I agree with you, a pilot should be able to recover from a spin or stall or any other unexpected behaviour by the plane. These decisions should be left to the instructors, not to some distant organization like EASA.

[@glidingamelia2083]

as i a going solo, I now nned to do spinning! Oh great!

[@csaviation9013]

How do you mount the gopro in the cockpit? I can't find any good mounting points in the K13s.

[@ClementAllen]

I used a sucker mount and just stuck it to the canopy. See a list of my equipment here: kit.com/clementallen313/gear

[@csaviation9013]

Thanks for the quick reply! I was thinking it might be a suction mount!

[@gliding_soaring]

@@ClementAllen A bit risky. It can come loose. Definitely I do not want to be hit by flying gopro.

[@EvelcyclopS]

Are these not stalls with wing drop?

[@olliepackman199]

A stall with Wing drop is where your attitude is too high with a slight bank. You speed will bleed off and the nose of the aircraft will drop and you will bank considerably more however you will not continue to rotate like you do in a spin.

[@lautoka63]

Allow? You mean they don't permit spin recovery training? How foolish. This from someone with 29 years in the big aeroplane business (& a share in a Discus).

[@ClementAllen]

lautoka63 This is the only place I have heard this and can't believe they would ban something as useful as spin training. I doubt it will actually happen.

[@surgpm]

Spin training appears to been removed from the PPL training syllabus worldwide due to the high number of fatal accidents. There are reports that more students died during spin training than during normal flying which is why this requirement was removed. The same hotly debated argument also applies to spin training in gliders. Where I fly only incipient spin training is performed in gliders where the spin entry is recognised in the incipient phase and recovered from before a full spin develops. It's maybe not as fun as a fully developed spin but I feel that it is effective enough in teaching a student to recognise a spin entry and the correct recovery techniques without endangering the lives of the instructor and student. Most of the spin training fatalities were probably due to insufficient recovery height but I question the sanity of anyone performing aerobatic manoeuvres (spins included) below an altitude where a bailout can be performed. 3000 feet AGL is my personal safety altitude. If I'm too low to bail out then I shouldn't be stressing the glider's airframe (beat-ups, loops, etc.) or performing any unusual manoeuvres (spinning). I have a family to look after.

[@johnroberts8980]

@@surgpm Well Said mate

[@laurenceallen8826]

2:11 weeee

[@anthonydavies8459]

doesn't look like a K13 to me ???

[@ClementAllen]

You must need glasses then! I was flying G-CHUD (as can be seen on the instrument panel). Here are the aircraft details: publicapps.caa.co.uk/modalapplication.aspx?catid=1&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detailnosummary&fullregmark=CHUD

[@davidkerrigan4389]

We aren’t allowed to spin our K13 at my club

[@Alex-dr6sv]

David Kerrigan so what do you spin?