K712 PRO VS HD 800 (Do the K712 Pros have a chance? Maybe..)

K712 PRO VS HD 800 (Do the K712 Pros have a chance? Maybe..)
This is just a quick little comparison between the HD 800 and the AKG K712 Pro. Like, comment, and subscribe everyone.
HD 800: www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-800...
K712 Pro: www.amazon.com/AKG-Over-Ear-M...
Instagram: / sammy23_kingwill
MyChannel: / @samualwilliams
Music:
Great Days by Joakim Karud / joakimkarud
Music provided by Audio Library • Great Days - Joakim Ka...
Dreams by Dj Quads / aka-dj-quads
Music provided by Audio Library • Video
Just Cool by WowaMusik / wowamusik
Creative Commons - Attribution 3.0 Unported- CC BY 3.0
creativecommons.org/licenses/b...
Music provided by Audio Library • Just Cool - Unminus (N...

[@beasterbunny4836]

I love it when small channels make the most obscure comparisons that are exactly what I’m looking for. Great video, will check out more.

[@rale317]

Thanks for the vid it was JUST the thing I needed to dial in my equalizer lol. Really needed to adjust my Ts and Ss.

[@SamualWilliams]

Führza Haha anytime

[@rale317]

What mic are you using here?

[@SamualWilliams]

Führza the AKG P420

[@soulfulfool]

glad to hear that K712 are that good, waiting for mine to come, got HD600 but K712 is different kind of taste that I want in my collection

[@Niels_f2704]

Both are really great. I think AKG is underrated as heck.

[@SamualWilliams]

VERY underrated

[@necrodh]

Underrated by the newbies

[@SakuraSakura8596]

Underrated because of Samsung, they basically killed the brand. If you want to get the most recent AKG DNA headset Austrian Audio is the one you can look for.

[@Prodigy2100]

I'm looking to get a solid set of cans and was strongly leaning towards the K712 pro's. Really comforting to hear you appreciate them even next to something as daunting as the HD800s. Solid review man, keep it up!

[@SamualWilliams]

Prodigy2100 You won't regret buying them! They are some excellent sounding headphones, especially for how cheap they sell on eBay now! Thank you very much!

[@Prodigy2100]

Just checked out those ebay prices, they're really cheap, but i'm definitely concerned that they're all shipping from hong kong. I'd almost rather buy domestically to make sure i'm getting the real thing :S

[@SamualWilliams]

Prodigy2100 They're good sellers with fast shipping. You'd be getting the real thing from Hong Kong for sure.

[@SamualWilliams]

Prodigy2100 Just read the sellers' reviews.

[@awi5951]

I say for playing games the Monolith M560's are better for hearing small sounds in games and they cost 200 dollars.

[@SwiftMcJay]

You could be a very popular reviewer on youtube if you keep it up, good luck. Have you ever tried the Audio Technica ATH AD700 headphones? I'm thinking about replacing them with the k712 pros but I'm not sure if it's worth the upgrade...or if it's a downgrade...

[@SamualWilliams]

Swifty_Mcjay Well thank you! I haven't uploaded in a while because of a lot of reasons really! I have two reviews coming out soon! I haven't tried those headphones! I'm pretty sure it would be an upgrade. The K712 Pros compete with headphones that cost MUCH more than it's price range.

[@LennyCooke636]

The AKG 712 pros are going to be my next and probably last headphones. I started with a pair of AKG 140's 30 years ago. At the time, I really wanted to buy the more "popular" Bose, but the pushy salesman convinced me about the AKG's. I have no regrets about that decision. Now I own the classic AKG 240's the (big brother to the 140's) and despite their low price I have not really thought about replacing them. They are that good ! With that said, the AKG 712's will probably take me to HI-FI heaven ! Thanks for the review, glad there are some AKG fans out there .

[@soulfulfool]

my world changed when I've bought first planar headphones

[@marcelomuniz4972]

Keep coming back to your video and I always laugh at 2:05 LMAO

[@SamualWilliams]

😂😂😂

[@JTB--]

Glad someone is giving the AKG K712 Pro some love. They are power hungry but with the right amp driving them and some EQ they are awesome. They take to EQ really well

[@SamualWilliams]

I agree!

[@AutobotVu]

I agree just got them a month ago and it does not pair well with schiit heretic always activating DC protection while gaming. I had modi and heretic swapped with new one same deal. I kept modi and got the Jds atom and works perfect just slightly less volume than heretic but doesn't cut out when gaming.

[@pedecia]

Fund a pair of these marvelous AKG712 PRO at 150USD delivered and it was the best headphone purchase I ever made. I cannot believe the music quality these output. I just came back from Japan and I compared them for couple of hours of listening in a second hand audio gear shop with the HD800 and HD800S. I couldn't believe how close these 712 sounded to the top Sennheiser top ends headphones. The 800 I fund them annoying as there was a high pitch in some songs that really bothered me. The 800s they were more neutral and toned down in the highs and fund them more similar to the AKG but still I could listen to a more enjoyable and detailed mids in the AKG at least on my ears. I listened back and forth for nearly 2 hours also using different amplifiers. AKG made a jewel with these 712 pro and I cannot believe you can pick them up for a fraction of the 800s price. Also much more easy to drive and so light and portable. My ears they do touch the inside driver and I wish there was a little more pads thickness but you get used to it and it does not bother me much after few minutes. These cans are a bargain for what they can offer!! Thank you AKG!!!!!!!

[@SamualWilliams]

Pleiadian I completely agree!!! These headphones punch well above their weight class! I was shocked how they compared to the more expensive headphones I've tried! I do agree about the pad thickness. It bothered me a little when my ears would touch the driver, but I still found them VERY comfortable. I'm glad you enjoyed them as much as I did!

[@wh00t14]

The Sennheiser 800 have 300ohm while the K712 have what 80 ohm ? If you plug the K712 to an phone, the K12 will sound obviously better because to feed the 300ohm of the sennheiser will take power that a phone simply does not have, but if you plug both headphones to an amp that is able to support at least 300ohm, the difference between the 2 has to be substantial.

[@extrabigmehdi]

Is it worth it to get the akg k712 pro, when you already have the hd800 ? Build quality of hd800 sucks. I got to replace headband, earpads, cable, and paint is chipping. I also got to buy a case for the hd800, because the one provided sucks.

[@oleadsr8186]

totally agree. but 800 are not too analytical. they have some space coloration imo

[@jgectalapatra]

If you need to choose between Audio Technica ATH-AD1000X and AKG K712 Pro then which one would you pick?...Please let me know in detail how do you compare these 2.

[@catinabox2670]

Ad1000x is more dynamic, k712 pro have larger sound stage

[@gm3451]

I'm trying to decide between k712 pro's and hd650's. I mainly listen to Hard Rock and Metal (Metallica, Iron Maiden and Led Zeppeling the most) and I also will use the headphones for gaming most of the time (Every kind of game but I don't usually play fps) Which one would you recommend for my uses ? Amazing video btw I really enjoyed it :)

[@mistersurrealist]

I have both. It all depends on the quality of the recording. A bright modern digital recording will sound best on the HD 6XX. A warm, analogue album from the 70s will sound absolutely INCREDIBLE and airy on the AKGs. These headphones both complement each other. Different flavors.

[@ChrisBessy]

@@mistersurrealist sennheiser sound more in your face, more like good speakers in your head. AKG sound more analytic and in space ..... it's very different sensation :)

[@motap001]

The mids might seem weird is because they may sound a little recessed? I had the 712's and for $300 I prefer them over my HD600. They are more fun to listen to. I sold the 712's and purchased the 7xx from Massdrop. They are the same as the Q701's. Just less expensive. With the 2 decibel bump ( like the Q701) they are a fun headset to listen too. Wide soundstage and very detailed along with Annies( 712 pads) make them a bargain at $200.00. They are on sale at Massdrop. Another AKG that is worth looking at is the AKG 220( same as the 240's) also on sale at Massdrop. Metal 571 does a good review on these as the 240's.... Good Luck!

[@SamualWilliams]

Peter Mota They are a little recessed, but not like too bad. It still sounds a bit strange. I sold my K712s for the Monolith M1060. The M1060 are SUPERB! They were a step up from the K712s, but it wasn't a huge step. The M1060 sound better than some $1000+ headphones for sure. Yeah the K7XX are actually very good headphones for the money.

[@awi5951]

I had both there is more detail than the K7xx i hear things in music that i didnt with the K7xx set i had. But the K7xx has better pads they are softer and lighter than what the K7pro has.

[@dorini5945]

240's have no bass at all, just very generic. they are good to listen to classic music or something but if you try to listen to electronic and such, they fall very far behind compared to the dt 990 pro 250 ohms, I'm comparing them with. It's a huge difference. I hope the 712's don't have same issue as I'm aiming at those too.

[@michaelmarotta5947]

Hey. Do you think there's much of a difference between k712 and q701. Thanks.

[@SamualWilliams]

Michael Marotta Yes. The K712s just have a much better overall sound IMO.

[@bfkc111]

The K712 have worse sound than the K701 series (K702), but a bassier one. Go figure... Look up measurements on rtings.com. The K712's imaging is garbage, otherwise nothing to write home about. I don't care for bassy or anything, it's not an automatic bonus to me, it's not even a good sound, period.

[@marcelomuniz4972]

Don't base your opinion only on measurements, sound (and the way each brain perceives it) is subjective. Did you ever heard a pair of k712?

[@panacheautomotive4298]

Subbed!

[@SamualWilliams]

Panache Automotive Subbed back!

[@RS_Spoon]

I just picked up the K712's and I love them. Extremely comfortable. Sound is subjective but these are probably the best headphones I have ever heard. I would recommend these to everyone.

[@SamualWilliams]

Michael Fristrom Agreed!

[@mogroot5790]

What type of music do you listen?

[@pasi123567]

Hey I have HD600 and K702 right now. Both have their own advantages. I have a question though. When compared to the HD600 the K702 sounds much less detailed. HD600 sound is sharp while K702 sounds smoothed out. Do you know if the K712 has that also? I really like the K702 bass and mids, but it just sounds like all the detail is missing and the soundstage is a bit too big.

[@SamualWilliams]

pasi123567 Absolutely not. The K712 are extremely detailed. The detail was actually comparable to the HD800. They are very analytical sounding headphones. You will pretty much hear everything. The mids are odd, but I absolutely love the mids on them. I would say they are a poor man's HD800 almost. They have a bit more bass than the HD800, but the highs aren't as sibilant. They are fantastic sounding headphones.

[@mistersurrealist]

The K702s are absolutely NOT "less detailed" than the HD600s. I own both and I should know it. In fact I think I get slightly more detail on the K702s, it's just that their soundstage is so massive that the mids sound a bit recessed compared to the very intimate/claustrophobic HD600. They're both great headphones, but completely different flavors. They each present music in wildly different/opposite ways.

[@pasi123567]

@@mistersurrealist Man I tried so many things since I wrote that comment. My opinion has changed a lot. The problem the K702 has is mainly that the huge soundsatge makes the center image dissapear a little, so sounds are more diffused and less in your face. Since the HD600 has a very close soundstage everything seems more detailed and focused. Depends on the music which to prefer. I also had the K712 since then. It is basically a more studio oriented K702. More detail, bit less soundstage, more center image but definitely bigger in sound than a HD600. To me the K712 really sounds like the perfect studio headphone but the K702 is better for music listening in my opinion. I tried a lot of things and came to the conclusion that the K702 is my endgame. It has this nice texture to strings, like you can hear them decay more or idk how to describe it but they sound more like they would in an actual room. Almsot no other headphone I tried had this effect. Not even in the 700$ range. The only other one with similar effect was the DT880 but I dislike the bass on that one.

[@ChrisBessy]

@@pasi123567 do you have best final mix with k702 or k712 ? :)

[@pasi123567]

@@ChrisBessy I don't mix but I just assume the K712 would be better for it than a K702 since its more detailed with better imaging.

[@jeanvuvu6900]

Hi, Have You ever compared k712 with dt990 ? Thanks~

[@SamualWilliams]

I have not! I've compared them against the 770s, but I haven't against the 990s.

[@ChrisBessy]

i have tried dt990 and it was horrible. It's like + 10dB at 9kHz in your ears. I love my dt770 and dt880, but dt990 was not for me sory.

[@bluex217]

@@ChrisBessy dt990 600 ohm was not good... extremely lifeless headphones even though I didn't hear the sibilance everyone complains about

[@pedecia]

Would you recommend these K712 Pro for classical music? I have the MSR 7 and the Sony Z7 and I love both but I was looking for a set of open back headphones. I was nearly buying the massdrop HD6XX for 200USD but canceled it as I did not like the HD600 I demo in Japan last month as it was too dry for my taste. I fund now a pair of these K712 Pro for 235Usd delivered to Australia. Do you think may be suited for classical and Jazz and do you think are a good value for this price? These or do you recommend something else? I will use my LG V20 to drive them so 60+ ohms impedance is what suit the bill for me as it can turn on my phone in high impedance mode and it sounds really good as long I don't use headphones with too much impedance like the 300 ohms Sennheiser. From my PC I am using a Creative Titanium HD and it sounds really good but with some tracks I could use more power from an amp like in classical music. I generally need to max the volume in the PC at 100% but about 80% on my LG20 phone which it is really powerful (with my 70 ohms Sony MDR Z7). Thank you for this video.

[@SamualWilliams]

Pleiadian These headphones will definitely suit those two genres! I would highly recommend these headphones for classical and jazz.

[@pedecia]

DO you still prefer the sound of these to the Sennheiser? What about new AKG models? How is the Headphone holding up? Are the earpads still intact? My MSR7 looks aweful with earpads all flaking. Do you still think the K712 as very durable headphones? Are the earpads easily replaceable? Thanks

[@SamualWilliams]

Pleiadian I find the K712 a lot more pleasing than the Sennheisers. They are just much more relaxing. I actually sold the K712 Pros. I am thinking of buying another pair because they're just so amazing. I think the durability is really good actually.

[@pedecia]

With these headphone you cannot go balanced isn't it having only one plug connector?

[@SamualWilliams]

Pleiadian It's just because of the type of plug used that makes them not able to go balanced.

[@timmmyyb]

What amp and dac for these you think?

[@SamualWilliams]

For which headphones?

[@timmmyyb]

@@SamualWilliams the akgs. I was thinking of saving up a bit and getting the latest schiit stack

[@SamualWilliams]

@@timmmyyb You could do that, or look for a tube amp. These headphones with tubes sound phenomenal.

[@Unicorn-ST]

I have a pair of AKG K172 Pro headphones, which I got for only €198. I think it's an absolute bargain for what these headphones are. At that time, I was looking for something higher-end and tried the Hifiman Ananda and Arya, the Audeze LCD-2C, and the Meze Audio 109 Pro. Finally, when I found the offer for the AKGs and saw such good reviews, I decided it was a better investment to buy them and see how they performed, rather than risking spending much more. That's why I like these comparisons, because if at some point I decide to buy something more expensive and theoretically better, I would like to be sure that I will really notice a difference. Right now, I'm attracted to the Hifiman Arya Organic, but they cost €1300... they have to sound much better for me to buy them.

[@xXxBo5sANaCxXx]

do you have headphone amp connected to your scarlett audio interface?

[@daristotell]

What about the tube amp on the right?

[@marcelomuniz4972]

Great video! I gotta a question tho, how is the soundstage, imaging and separation on the K712's? Own a HD598 right now and I'm kinda disappointed in those departments, especially soundstage. Is it worth it the upgrade? I've heard the 800 is amazing on those fields but they're too much for me

[@SamualWilliams]

Grey Matter TOTALLY worth the upgrade! The soundstage, separation, and imaging is superb on these headphones! The separation isn't QUITE as good as the HD800s, but it's pretty dang close. The soundstage and imaging is honestly about as good as the HD800s. I think you'll notice a massive improvement in those areas you're looking for over the 598s. These headphones are VERY picky on the source they're plugged into btw.

[@marcelomuniz4972]

Samual Williams huge thumbs up man! I'm definitely going to buy these! It's not that I don't like the 598, they do sound very good for a person who was never into headphones before, but I was expecting more of that "wow factor" in terms of soundstage and imaging. I almost got the q701's instead of the 598's actually, it would probably impress me more. Thanks big time!

[@SamualWilliams]

Grey Matter You'll love them for sure! The Q701s probably would have done a better job in those departments, but these K712 Pros are AMAZING in every single department. These are a very flavorful pair of cans. It's a pretty big step up from the 598s IMO.

[@marcelomuniz4972]

Samual Williams I'm seeing a lot of people recommending them, and if they're comparable to the 800 in some aspects I'm sure they are killer for the price! Which amp/dac do you recommend for them? Cheapest as possible lol

[@SamualWilliams]

Grey Matter Well a Schiit Stack would be amazing with them. A Fulla 2 or Micca OriGen would be a good, cheap option for them.

[@bandhanjha8563]

Can you recommend a 150$ amp for K712 pro

[@therealchickentender]

DAC/AMP (digital input only) but the iFi Hip-Dac makes them shine.

[@zjonlikejb]

Ya I know I Own one ... I do not believe you can go wrong with these phones unless you are a serious loud bass head.I'm using Xonar Essence STX sound card... for high gain (+12db) I use 64 to 300 Ohms setting & sound leakage is so minimum at 50% no one will notices that. I m use to listen 35 to 45% of my full volume cant go up anymore.

[@EnnTomi1]

You use 2i2 to drive them as dac?

[@SamualWilliams]

Liangshi Xu The 2i2? No no no. I use the LittleDot and a Modi 2 Uber.

[@EnnTomi1]

thanks for reply. ! i have 2i2 , 2 monitor, and 712 as well. i dont know what to do. because i need XLR mic input from 2i2. but i know its not decent DAC for audiophile. so you have 2 DAC pluged into your pc? i notice Uber2 only have RCA, no balance out for monitors tho. love this review. pretty much agree with you on everything you said. :)

[@SamualWilliams]

No problem! Yes, I have a DAC plugged into my computer. I would recommend the 2i2 for monitors. It can power them easy, and it also sounds really good. Well thank you!

[@snakeleon]

2i2 is shit for listen headphones, is good to record, but headphone output dac, is shit

[@lucasdiniz2053]

lower music volume next time =D

[@SamualWilliams]

I definitely agree!!

[@hi-fidude6670]

K712 Pro are more exciting for sure. The HD800 are kinda flat and boring, sound quality is better of course.

[@zloty666]

I had to delete my comment for your video. Cause I would have been as anfair to yo as your comparison between 1000 and 400

[@360remix]

HD looking ugly AF.. I'll never buy such a weird shit looking thing no mater how good they're sounding

[@SamualWilliams]

3:60 I personally don't mind. You'll probably change your mind when you hear them lol

[@icervoid]

I listen both on metal music on a burson V2+. K712 are better. They see better the smaller detail. Disagree ? Take DEICIDE / Deicide 1990 / 2. Sacrificial suicide.

[@SamualWilliams]

Those K712 Pros do pick out a lot of detail for sure

[@keithhr1]

your ability to create a narrative using many words is weak. When I was 18 the average vocabulary was 55,000 words , today it has shrunk to 9,000 words, no words,= no ability to create a meaningful narrative. I've owned two hd 800 and they literally fall apart, worst built headphone i've ever owned and I paid $1500 and $1300 respectively, Of course the wire I use to hook them up with is my own, patented audio cable that is more linear in sound than anything ever made. The sound is linear and cohesive because the wire that I use is internally a litz stranded cable with magnet wire that is so tiny, it can't be seen in my hand unless I shine a light that can reflect off the polysol enamel coating, I'm rambling again, but it is lonely at the top.