All FPV remotes can do better

[@KwongKan]

The size of gimbals doesn't really matter, what matters is the position of the datum, or axis of rotation. Issue is that with "small" gimbals they usually comes with short sticks, which result more curved arc within given "range" (like the ~44mm range at 6:47 ), having very different height/depth at the tip against the plane of datum, when compared with setups with DEEP datum and long sticks. While I like the idea of very deep datum (maybe some sort of virtual pivot "outside" the back of the case) and long sticks, effectively reducing the range (in terms of angle) but keeping the range (in terms of distance like again that ~44mm) the same, but then the idea of cutting off the top at 6:05 doesn't make too much sense...? I mean which would effectively just an offset of the radio in the Z direction, clipping into your holding fingers like badly made 3D model in Bethesda games. FYI, current user of Tango 2, with that Pyro gimals, running very narrow TH and Pitch throws - which inspired by a friend, whose Boxer w/ AG01's a minimum TH/Pitch throws.......... Wasn't convinced by the idea on paper, but felt at home when I tried his Boxer, ended up copying the setting on mine and found improved performance, at least on races (I too fly freestyle but never been great so YMMY)

[@Kabab]

Yes absolutely it's the position of the rotation point of the stick. I had a long speal about that with my blue printed design but cut it out because I figured it was too in depth for most

[@Vousie]

Exactly. Probably even with game controllers, if you put a nice long stick on it you'd still get a much bigger travel. Though I do think that the gimbals themselves do have differing amounts of travel. Imagine the travel distance between a game controller and this remote if you removed the sticks entirely. The game controller still has a smaller range.

[@Goldtech6973]

Jesus Christ you opened my mind up to issues I have but didn’t know exactly how to diagnose. Good content sir!

[@kaijupower]

I hope radiomaster is listening. Having deep gimbals for me is a must. I did a similar mod to my boxer, coming from a QX7 with hall sensors. Gimbal size and placement are probably the few things Frsky did right.

[@GioFpv]

where we can find such spacers for the Boxer?

[@olafschermann1592]

3d print yourself.

[@GioFpv]

@@olafschermann1592 best reply ever for sure 👌

[@LehtusBphree2flyFPV]

@RADIOMASTER read comments on new product 7mm deep LED rings

[@mcronfpv8736]

that's funny, I never thought about this before, but recently I replaced my Dji gimbals with AG01 because one of them died, and after taking the Dji gimbals out, I was holding them in my hand and thumbing... thinking wow that feels good somehow, but didn't realise it was because of that reason

[@autonoob]

I would really love a modular controller where the gimbals, buttons and switches can be moved around. And the brain, screen and battery bay is just a separate brick that’s plugged in. No more complaints about batteries being too small or screen placement. I think I would like the gimbals right at the edge and tilted outwards a bit.

[@MysteryD]

If they can do it with video game controllers, why not with RC controllers? I like it.

[@gus8378]

Maybe we can do that we hardware hacking. I’d love to see that done with a DJI remote 2

[@gus8378]

Would also be cool to have an external (wired) antenna since I fly from inside the car. The antenna could then be placed on the dash or routed to the roof or something. Sitting in AC on a comfortable seat and listening to music while flying is the best

[@MysteryD]

@@gus8378 that's already possible. Usually just a simple ufl to sma mod inside the shell of the controller. Oh, and I agree. I also fly from my car, with music playing

[@gus8378]

@@MysteryD I wonder if there’s any added latency or range loss with a long antenna cable like that

[@fiskiee_fpv]

Flew an x9d for years and moved to a qx7. Gonna fly the qx7 forever I love it.

[@Kabab]

Definitely among the best options

[@Dec1duousTree]

What does the QX7 do for you that the X9D does not?

[@maxi-trillion]

​@@Dec1duousTreeThe QX7 fits my hands better; as long as a radio is comfortable you can usually run any link you want

[@Dec1duousTree]

@@maxi-trillion Yeah, ergonomics on the X9D have been acceptable to me with Hall M9-R gimbals for thumbing. Could be improved by being less thick and bulky. I always thought of the x9D to be more feature rich than the QX7 but never felt one in my hands before, so I just didn't know... Thanks for the response.

[@maxi-trillion]

@@Dec1duousTree Good call on the upgrade. Your radio is probably perfect for you. I run the hall M7-R gimbal on throttle and the hall M7 gimbal on pitch/roll. I also have mismatched sticks Umbrella on throttle and Lotus on pitch. Throttle sits a bit higher as well

[@enkayFPV]

we didnt even need audio. just the text man. haha good stuff

[@MCsCreations]

Pretty interesting mods, Bob! Thanks! 😃 Please, tell your wife you can't disappear from yt for that long! 😬 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@able_archer_]

Flysky Nirvana is... nirvana for thumbers. Best non-$130+ gimbals in the business too

[@Atlas_FPV]

I had to do similar with my boxer, the gimbals were so high and uncomfortable so I fitted the LED kit to drop them 5mm and then raised the sticks 2.5mm, now it feels perfect

[@hallio111]

nice. we all need your input bro!

[@DriftaholiC]

Look at how Virpil controls does the cams for their flight sticks. I have a set and WISH I could have their no center ava sim cams on an FPV gimbal. In a heartbeat I would buy a gimbal with the warBRD cams in it. The non linear force makes it far easier to feel where you are in the stick and makes sense because we don't use linear rates. The soft or no center detent reduces that notch you feel when trying to pass through the center and makes sure it never shows up in the footage. Form wise the Tango 2 is the closest to perfection for me.

[@hsy541]

Why do you use capcut, It is another "shitty" "chinese" product and as you said before "clone/copy is in their gene" You should boycott them, dude. Oh no, frsky? radiomaster? dji? they are all made in ... lol

[@Kabab]

While I completely agree with your sentiment, it is absolutely not a copy cat product. There's simply nothing else out there that runs so insanely smooth with 4k editing and is so crazy efficient at everything. This product is genuinely better than anything else that exists in many ways.

[@Victor90NOR]

you might like the new jumperr t20

[@Kabab]

Jumper has a habit of making poor decisions in various aspects of the design which kinda ruins the radio. I'm hoping this is different. We'll see.

[@PilotCentil]

good

[@Jandodev]

The force feedback would be really really cool!

[@RCRitterFPV]

your prototype looks like the Mango as I Imagine... Tango2 thin and light clean switches, but a little more room for bigger battery and screen... internal Tracer and Crossfire... 2.4 for small things with tiny antennas... 900 for anything bigger...

[@Kabab]

I just got the new Emax controller and holy hell is it incredible! Super small, FULL FULL FULL size gimbals, fits insanely well in the hand. They just need to give it an external module bay and it'll be the best remote on the market. The one I have has a 100mw ELRS Tx built in. Coming soon in a future video about the tinyhawk HD. emax-usa.com/products/e8-transmitter?_pos=1&_sid=1aaeb4e2f&_ss=r&fbclid=IwAR3-aa41BfyvzRkZiFI0hlZiAx2StggpedkVYnraolca27WcRL6rlWxLzdY#

[@chrisbee5481]

Edit: The radiomaster pocket just came out. I had to get it for so little money. Needed a smaller portable RC. I'm waiting for the new Jumper T20 reviews. Gal will be making one soon. The T20 looks like a smaller Boxer. One or two stores are selling it already, but apparently jumper is upgrading it right now. Thats why the reviews are delayed. Lets see how small it is and competitive to the boxer. Gal says it actually makes a good impression.

[@Kabab]

Looks interesting but jumper has a habit of making dumb choices that significantly impact the resulting product. Hopefully not. We'll see

[@dawgdude6472]

The pocket has piqued my interest, especially for the price.

[@Kabab]

@@dawgdude6472 Looked at some close up reviews. The gimbals are a LOT smaller and cannot be dropped in due to battery placement. The radio is also not really suitable for pinching with the large and wide backside grips like that. Price is super attractive but unfortunately I'm not even a little interested and would recommend putting that money towards a boxer.

[@KcCake]

The new pocket radiomaster radio look really similar to that print you made. Only difference is it doesnt use full sized gimbals and uses 18650.

[@Kabab]

I JUST saw this and asked the radiomaster engineer about it. It looks thicker than the boxer and with smaller gimbals but maybe that's just the picture proportions. Just because the gimbals look smaller doesn't mean the range is smaller. Hopeful this is the compact full featured radio we all want but probably just another random product that doesn't address any issues.

[@KcCake]

@@Kabab yea. Looking forward to it though considering how cheap and compact it is. I hope there is a way you can externally wire a bigger battery since the 18650 seems like the biggest setback for me.

[@Kabab]

@@KcCake you don't need more than that 18650. It'll already last probably 30hrs or more with good cells. Unfortunately the controller has smaller gimbals however

[@FluffRat]

@@KcCake 2x 18350 on the Zorro is a bit annoying, but 2x 18650 seems fine? I guess you could try a 21700 mod.

[@butterflyfpv]

Gimbals are a really important topic! Especially for us racers. The gimbals on my Spektrum DX6 G3 are so much better than the super expensive CNC gimbals on my Radiomaster TX16S. I think it's because the spring force of my DX6 G3 tends to increase towards the outside. And in the middle it's smooth. With the Radiomaster TX16S it is exactly the opposite. The spring force decreases towards the outside (felt) and the middle is extremely bumpy..

[@Kabab]

Variable spring rate would be amazing too. That would absolutely work.

[@butterflyfpv]

@@Kabab Yes! That would be nice too! I hope the manufacturers listen to the community.. And that this topic is becoming better known in the community thanks to you! By the way, the ends of the sticks are also an important topic, as you say in the video. I think the new thumb grippies style stick ends made of some type of resin are great! Much more grip and no more broken skin on the thumbs..

[@professorbiohazard4271]

They solved that in car suspension with progressive springs. Wonder how hard it would be to find some progressive springs that fit radio gimbals

[@butterflyfpv]

@@professorbiohazard4271 Interessting!🤔

[@olafschermann1592]

You drive the development of new stuff! Thanks for trying out new things and video-documenting it for the vendors who hopefully watch and knock off some of your ideas!

[@Kabab]

I usually try pretty hard to get them to copy some of my ideas but they sort of don't until me or someone else spends the money to do that R&D and makes it popular. They have zero interest in attempting anything new. It makes no sense to them. If you have all the manufacturing potential in the world, all you need is something to make. You don't care about developing anything. You just copy whatever is popular at the time.

[@neilfpv]

I hacked the roll/pitch stick. I'm also a pincher. I noticed that my pointer finger would go down very close to the very base of the stick. This prevents my from doing a proper forward pitch. It stops because of my finger. HAHAHA! So I printed a round thing that I mounted on the stick. My pointer finger now rest on it. It's mounted about 11-13mm from the top of the stick. I am now able to do a full forward pitch. :) Nice hack on the video btw!

[@choppergirl]

I removed the rubber things off my TX-16s too, lowered the gimbals as far as possible with lowering plates, and extended the tsticks as far as possible out with Frsky Umbrella style M4 stick ends. The absolute opposite of id1i0t short throw gimbals. Longer lever, more travel, more precision. My thumbs don't sit on top of the stick, but on the very edge of the umbrella. I want to design a radio where the internals are one unit, that can be mounted anywhere inside a persons custom designed and 3D printed outer shell case. So if you found one of the designs that was near perfect, you could mod what you didn't like in the files, print it out again, and voila. Expermiment with case designing until you had had enough of it. I like the big chonky radios. Personally, I h9t3 the Nintendo / Playstation style controllers myself. They look like a kid's toy, or like you're holding a pair of truck nvts in your hand. But I do want my gimbals in there as deep as possible and my stick ends as long as I possibly can be comfortable with.

[@harryhalfmoon]

Thanks for this video. So nice to see you still making such informative videos, some 6-ish years after I started flying FPV. You've given so much to the hobby. Thank you.

[@RcReviewsLt]

So new RadioMaster Pocket Radio Controller might be the one what you want :D

[@Kabab]

Unfortunately it's just as thick and the gimbals are smaller. They also cannot be dropped in. A nice radio but not useful

[@RcReviewsLt]

@@Kabab So JumperRC T20S is the one for you

[@Kabab]

@@RcReviewsLt I actually just contracted them. Looking forward to it.

[@JPREEDY77]

I'd like it to feel like pressing the brake pedal into the floor. Where you can't just slam bottom. I think there is already a system for this kind of thing. I don't know what it's called but would be a flywheel on silicone or ceramic plate with an offset pin and wound spring. I've seen the mechanism as an input dampener or in centrifugal clutches. In a sandwich configuration would work just like the limited slip diffs in cars. With some careful work I think a think ceramic plate dampener may be logical. I wonder what could be done to apply the input pressure toward the plate to make it feel more responsive. More aggressive input = More Dampening. There is gearing in clocks that can do it, I don't know where their wizard is that steals my ideas but I need a Chinese/Swiss Radio, with ELRS 2w with a fan that sounds like a turbo diesel, extra cheese and a boob model to sell it to me!

[@TheParadigmShiftTV]

Have you seen the Radiomaster Pocket which just dropped today? Definitely less chonky and more in line with your prototype.

[@Kabab]

I just saw it this morning when others were posting about it. Unfortunately it's about as thick with smaller gimbals so it's a no go for me

[@rasmus80g]

Ohh I hear you whanted a flatter transmitter for so long. Maybe i will try to just drop the gimbals with a spacer as a next best thing for now. Looking into a boxer but first like to know more about the upcomming jumper t20. Radiomaster pocket is also compelling but switches seams bad placed for a pincher...

[@jtcustomknives]

I have been thinking about designing a radio as my favort one is like you white one and yeah it’s chunky. I opened it up to replace a switch once and yeah it’s mostly empty inside.

[@mikebergman1817]

Roogie! Did you get married dude? I ended up with a Boxer, with 7mm spacers too. One thing I also did for ease of transport, was get a 2.4ghz Bardpole and relocate the antenna inside the radio case. Instead of fiddling with the external antenna. Great vid!

[@Kabab]

Yes married about a year ago

[@MCsCreations]

​@@Kabababout a year ago? Oh boy... You didn't forget the anniversary... Right? 😬

[@Greg__K]

Glad you’re focusing on the ergonomics of radios. I’ve been pretty disappointed with the direction of companies in this regard.

[@Kabab]

They just keep making the same garbage over and over with no recognition of any actual issues. It's sad and a waste of good resources.

[@gus8378]

@@Kabab I’d love to see a release of an FPV Cycle radio.

[@Kabab]

@@gus8378 me too. Unfortunately I don't have that much money or influence

[@KOrnhOliO1]

@@Kabab There new Pocket radio has very new thinking, ultra small size and probably tiny gimbals, but damn if it doesn't give use some of the features we want built in, and so portable!

[@Kabab]

@@KOrnhOliO1 the features are great but they also don't matter if the gimbals are microscopic and the grips are huge and wide so only a thumbers can grip.

[@OnepackFpv]

Cool video. Elrs is cool. But tracer is really what you should be flying.

[@whoopsquad]

Tracer Fam🙌🏻

[@marc_frank]

i'm thinking of going to elrs

[@OnepackFpv]

@@whoopsquad gang gang

[@Gamersden04]

Nice to see u Bob👋🏻

[@LehtusBphree2flyFPV]

Maybe radio Master will come out with LED extensions instead of black plastic. Get on it @RADIO MASTER. I'm going through the same thing. I've used the simplicity of the DJI Black remote the entire time I've been in FPV cause it was lazier to connect and no programming had to be done. Now with no reliable DJI remote for the new system it was time to switch access that's when boxer first came out. I'm learning a new curve and now I appreciate the ELRS user friendly software and videos that help but I just got tied of losing video and I my shit in a really tall tree. Now I have the control to punch it until the video comes back. That's with any digital system. I love my boxer. Deep LED wells sound like something worth convincing radio Master to create

[@Kabab]

For the first time I skipped the whole intro time of elrs and I too had a fantastically easy experience with elrs. So nice to join the party when it actually works right.

[@Devills_hill]

I have the tango 2 and the tx16s. And as newton once said: the greater the mass the greater the force of attraction!

[@Steady_FPV]

I saw your video this morning. Then I saw the Radiomaster Pocket a few minutes ago. I came back to check out the 3D-Print of your own design because the pocket somehow reminded me of it. The formfactor seems similar. But no fullsize gimbals... so meh. Will you check it out anyways ?

[@Kabab]

I JUST saw this and asked the radiomaster engineer about it. It looks thicker than the boxer and with smaller gimbals but maybe that's just the picture proportions. Just because the gimbals look smaller doesn't mean the range is smaller. Hopeful this is the compact full featured radio we all want but probably just another random product that doesn't address any issues.

[@MysteryD]

Wondering when Limited Edition dumb fingers are going up on fpvcycle

[@dawgdude6472]

The other thing I would love to see is a radio that gives the rest of our fingers a good place to rest. Imagine if each finger and your palm had a surface to rest against with switches placed conveniently between these idle fingers. I would also like to see drone specific switches. 4 is fine, but I only really use 3. 1 2 position switch for arming, and 2 3 position switches for flight mode and turtle and beeper. The 4th switch could be rate profiles or something, but all the switches and knows on most radios are not used for drones. I hate the size and complexity if my TX 16s, and can't wait to try the pocket. The biggest thing I really want to see though is a remote that fits comfortably into both hands. I'm trying to switch from thumbing to pinching and these non ergonomic radios make that really hard. I'm pretty fond of my craptqcular little Emax radio. I'm just too lazy to get it bound up in place of my radiomaster for all of my emax drones. I hope you keep working on this problem. Someone will get it right eventually and it will revolutionize the way we interact with these little machines. The awesome thing about us biological entities is that we have an almost infinite capacity to learn and train our nervous system to an incredible level of automated complexity. To see this just watch any pro skateboarder in slow motion. I bet if that game controller was all you had to fly with, enough practice would make you proficient with it and would ruin it for big gimbals.

[@Kabab]

unfortunately it's very difficult to make a controller that has only one specific way to hold it and switches at each fingertip. Video game controllers have much smaller gimbals and can be more specific as to how they are held. These controllers typically have huge gimbals by comparison and at least in FPV, we typically don't use any buttons or switches at all during flight. It's very easy to make a thumb friendly controller. It's very difficult to make a pinch friendly controller. The blue model I've made is still the most comfortable to hold in either position I've ever held but it definitely is not specific to either thumb or pinch and is also designed for a wide variety of hand sizes and huge gimbals. I do wish someone would use my design but I don't have that much influence or enough money to make it myself.

[@blueskyfpv]

I recently got a Radiomaster Zorro. The radio itself is really well built - can't knock that. However, I just can't get it to feel comfortable in my hands. Everywhere that seems comfortable for my fingers has a switch in the way. I've always wondered why the bodies of radios aren't slightly curved like an ergonomic keyboard.

[@Kabab]

This is unfortunately not uncommon. Radios shouldn't have super specific designs either because the way everyone holds the controller is probably as unique as different fingerprints. In general, there are a few proportions that could be followed for an overall good fit for the vast majority. I cannot understand why no company seems to want to pay attention. I assume it's because it's hard to market something like, 'actually made for human hands'

[@Aar0n2009]

Intuitive video. But also very comical with all the text and notification and news alert. Your design looks promising. Too bad the production didn’t go anywhere :( and the damper…that’d be something I’d have to experience to see if I actually liked it or not. Cuz I don’t “feel” I have issues right now. But who knows.

[@Aar0n2009]

Second opinion. Radiomaster Pocket

[@MadDragon75]

I love my Radiomaster TX 12. it's basic, perfect for a thumber like myself.

[@sandersassen]

Alright Bob, it is time to brush up on your Italian as this video details a new Jumper radio that seems to check most (all?) of the boxes? kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4S9ioipnM9sf9E

[@Kabab]

Unfortunately the gimbals are smaller on the jumper and in general jumper tends to cheap out on quality where it matters unfortunately. So many times I've been excited for one of their controllers just to hold it and realize it's really really badly designed but does look good. Hopefully this will be different but I wouldn't bet on it.

[@greedfox7842]

haptic feedback would be sick, but the actual implementation would take an entire team of engineers.

[@taxigalaxi]

I wholeheartedly agree with you on this. My first remote was a Dx6i and it was a struggle because I have fairly small hamds. At some point i got the X9 lite and I instantly enjoyed it more simply because I could use it properly. Going to take a look at modding it too.

[@choppergirl]

I'm starting to think FPV is the worst hobby ever It seems inexoribly tied to KZbin, and I can't stand KZbin any more.

[@Kabab]

unfortunately youtube does that to anything you might be interested in

[@lavachemist]

Great video. The lack of thought that goes into making FPV/RC gear ergonomic is unfortunate. The other device with this issue is the FPV goggles. The DJI goggles don't fit a wide enough range of human face shapes, without aftermarket padding. The Goggles 2 are somewhat better for me, but the Goggles V1/V2 are ridiculously bad.

[@Kabab]

Yes DJI has a habit of using a wall to size and shape their FPV goggles. I'd love someone to sort that out

[@maxrutherford2101]

Yup. To all of it. I personally am exclusively a thumber, but always printed a spacer to lower the gimbal 4 millimeter, always removed the stock stick ends, cut down the posts, and threaded on the Frsky Vantac stick ends. Those are thumber only stick ends, but the point is the same. You want full range, and you want comfort, and you don't want skyscrapers for control sticks. For dampening, a small 1102 or smaller motor shorted out is an effective variable damper. The harder you try to spin a burnt (shorted) motor, the resistance in being able to physically spin the motor increases dramatically. Spin it slow, you can get it spinning. Start trying to spin it very quickly results in rapidly increasing rotational resistance. Just saying, we all have burnt motors laying around and they can be approached for use as a variable damper. Space constraints being the real limiting factor.

[@Kabab]

The motor damper method is the best but figuring out how to fit it in there and attach it to the movement is the hard part. Dropping gimbals and having shorter sticks that still have good range is excellent for thumbers

[@aphinion]

For a pincher, the AG01 on the Boxer just sit perfect. Lower wouldn't work for me. In general the Boxer is really perfect for me :) Somehow I feel like you just basically set those axis deeper to resemble your feel of the much lower lying DJI gymbals ;) There is also dampening grease for those gymbals if you prefer that feel.

[@Kabab]

Gimbals sit lower but the sticks are extended. Sticks are the same height. You just get more range on them which gives you much more flying resolution

[@mcronfpv8736]

interesting thinkings. I still fly with the DJI Remote1 modded with the AG01 metal gimbals. Great feel, and having my freestyle quads with only one antenna (that barely protrude) and one less component really makes a difference on the time spent fixing shit, after 100 or 1000 crashs :D

[@mcronfpv8736]

also I have a ridiculus amount of quads and the saving of an RX in each one adds up (well tbh if I was really trying to save I'd have just 4 kwads lol)

[@GioFpv]

Are the radiomaster leds enough for make them as spacer instead of the 3d prints? Anyway able to tell how many mm thick they are?

[@Kabab]

I recommend no more than 7mm or you'll need to modify the back of the casing a tiny bit. I show this in the video. It's also timestamped in the description

[@barkvarkie_fpv8623]

I don't understand your Crossfire setup. I have an X9D with Crossfire. It is small, fits perfectly into the module-bay in the back of the radio and runs directly off the radio's battery pack ... no need for all those cables.

[@Kabab]

You have the small version of the crossfire. The one I have is the full size version with more various features that almost nobody needs.....was just what was available back then.

[@chuco425]

Good info for people looking for the same kind of ergonomic mods. However just because you like it that way doesn’t mean it should be made that way. If it sold that way there will be people that can’t stand it. Some people want shorter travel. I want indestructible electronics because I break them more than props lol

[@Kabab]

Shorter travel is super super easy. Screw a ring on and you get less throw. Or you could just not knock the endpoints. Of course this is just my preference but it's also a severe limitation too. I'm not sure a single person out there actually prefers the new DJI FPV radio to literally anything else

[@woltervandenberg]

Radiomaster just dropped their new radio which is an exact copy of the mockup you show in this video just hours after you posted this. Wtf is going on here. You probably got a reviewers sample of that so this is all a bit fishy. What's you affiliation with Radiomaster?

[@Kabab]

I JUST saw this and asked the radiomaster engineer about it. It looks thicker than the boxer and with smaller gimbals but maybe that's just the picture proportions. Just because the gimbals look smaller doesn't mean the range is smaller. Hopeful this is the compact full featured radio we all want but probably just another random product that doesn't address any issues. I did send my 3D model to radiomaster years ago. Would be great if they turned it into something but I'm betting the gimbals are smaller. For some reason everyone likes copying DJI... I don't have any affiliation with radiomaster but I talk to the owner/engineer here and there. Cool guy. I speak of these changes lightly but it's actually quite difficult to make a radio product. I have huge respect for the radiomaster guy. He actually cares a lot. That just doesn't always translate into what we want unfortunately.

[@tshirtfactory07]

Bob, are you still mostly flying Emuflight? If so, have you been sticking with the mpu6000 or have you tried some of the bmi270 targets the emu devs made available?

[@Kabab]

I fly emuflight exclusively on my cinewhoops. The dynamic rates are unparalleled by anything in betaflight. I only use the one FC/ESC combo I have a bunch of however. It's the 25x25 stack we have/had on fpvcycle. mpu6000

[@skysailorfpv]

I have big hands when I started I bought a game pad style radio did not work then I bought a tx12 added the mini ag01 still too small and I hate the mini gimbles then someone gave me a Qx7 and I fell in love with the size and the full gimbles so I bought me a Tx16 added the ag01 gimbles and I love it I gave the qx7 and the game pad style and now have a Tx12 with mini ag01 as a paper weight so much wasted money that's fpv

[@Kabab]

Qx7 is among the largest controllers and gimbals anywhere in the industry. I believe it's the largest actually. If my hands were bigger that would be all I use.

[@bertbeinaaf8314]

Good to see another video from you. But the background “music” that seems to become more and more popular on KZbin video’s drives me nuts. I’m having a very hard time concentrating on what you are saying 🙁

[@Kabab]

Yeah I don't usually do that. Capcut made me do it because it was just so easy to do. This isn't what i normally produce.

[@marccretten]

Been flying for 35 years, never ever have i needed to use the full extent of stick deflection, increase your rates. NO need to be smashing your stick into every corner. If you doing that refine your flying a bit.

[@Kabab]

Too high of rates means a tiny movement sends your model going into spirals. That's just too sensitive. Humans aren't good at tiny movements consistently.

[@sirtubemaster]

for me personally, i would love for FPV remotes that can FLIP the PITCH like in console games where UP is really UP & down is really down......I really struggle with SIMS do to motion sickness and my only practice is realtime flight but the controls are very confusing when in flight. I know this is a "ME" issue but seems technology would be present to be able to do this if it was needed!

[@doccock100]

pretty much all fpv remotes can do that. If you look at the setup in opentx. You would invert the pitch in the controller and you are done.

[@sirtubemaster]

@@doccock100 oh interesting! new things to learn daily :) if i was rich i would hire a tutor! LOL

[@doccock100]

@@sirtubemaster I know that feeling well. From memory, in controller go to mixes, select pitch, click on it, choose edit, go to range, change from 0-100 to 100-0. That should reverse it to game controller style.

[@choppergirl]

I removed the rubber things off my TX-16s too, lowered the gimbals as far as possible with lowering plates, and extended the tsticks as far as possible out with Frsky Umbrella style M4 stick ends. The absolute opposite of id1i0t short throw gimbals. Longer lever, more travel, more precision. My thumbs don't sit on top of the stick, but on the very edge of the umbrella. I want to design a radio where the internals are one unit, that can be mounted anywhere inside a persons custom designed and 3D printed outer shell case. So if you found one of the designs that was near perfect, you could mod what you didn't like in the files, print it out again, and voila. Expermiment with case designing until you had had enough of it. I like the big chonky radios. Personally, I am not a fan of the Nintendo / Playstation style controllers myself. They look like a kid's toy, or like you're holding a pair of truck nvts in your hand. But I do want my gimbals in there as deep as possible and my stick ends as long as I possibly can be comfortable with.

[@tienduy12345]

Love your content but please consider to reduce effects and overlay animation on your video.

[@Kabab]

lol yeah that's not my typical style. I won't do anything like this anymore. just having fun with cap cut

[@BadRavenFPV]

OK, so I regularly use :- My Own FrSkyTaranis, FrSky X12S (3 of), DX7(2 of), DX6i, DX9, FlySky FS-6i, Futaba 6EX (four of) Futaba 10CG. Plus loads of Chinese dedicateds and others eqpt as needed for training, etc. From my experience few people move the tension and friction settings or stick length AT ALL from the delivery condition, in fact many don't even know that adjustments exist! Of the lot, the X12S are the most comfortable, but only after LOTS of adjustment and in particular stick length shortening (I fly thumbs). As supplied they were BAD. It is ridiculous that manufacturers generally do not make product that is tailored (or easily adjustable) to their major purchasers, just one (off topic) example being DJI and the flatter asian face shape faceplates totally unsuitable for the majority of the western world.

[@Kabab]

I'm convinced that DJI uses a brick as their face model 🤦🏻

[@BadRavenFPV]

@@Kabab SO true! 🙂 (Great review, BTW)

[@FilipRadelic]

DJI FPV RC ("v1") has the exact same size and mounting hole pattern for gimbals as Taranis, so you can fit Taranis gimbals in it if you like them more.

[@Kabab]

Yeah I'm aware of that. Not too sure about the wiring but probably not hard to figure out either. Just too much work that I didn't want to deal with. But if I'm forced to switch to a different protocol then I'll put in a bit more work

[@FilipRadelic]

@@Kabab I get that, I use DJI RC2 despite its ridiculously tiny gimbals just because I don't want to have another receiver+antenna on my quad when O3AU can do the job.

[@Kabab]

@@FilipRadelic yes absolutely agree with simplification and I would pay a pretty penny for it. Unfortunately the original DJI FPV radio doesn't work with the O3. The new controller is just unusable. I refuse to deal with it

[@robertlargura8]

Gimbals need to be slightly larger and much deeper otherwise the sticks are too high with crazy high micro imput.

[@Kabab]

That's exactly what I've done here

[@echaitea]

you should add subway surfers gameplay on the bottom corner for those like me who have short attention spans

[@Kabab]

LOL i'll think about that

[@tshirtfactory07]

Baaaaaaahhhbbb! So great to see you making content again!

[@ThomasKropf]

How do you call the parts that lower the gimbals? I have a hard time finding anything😢

[@Kabab]

The spacer ring? It's printed from Brain3D.com

[@PetrolMediaInc]

All i heard was Kababs making a radio. 😂. Send me a pre order link.

[@Kabab]

Wish I could just consult on a radio so we finally get something that doesn't have weird aspects to it

[@zeDoSauRus]

You should try rotating the whole gimbal assembly. I tried to build gimbal holders that can change their angle (similar to those Microsoft keyboards). The reasoning behind it was that your thumb doesn't naturally move vertically but more diagonal. It was really nice but I didn't have a 3D printer back then and bla bla. Should try again :) Damping idea is sick!

[@Kabab]

Right that would be a nifty adjustment too that wouldn't be too hard to do. Realistically I'm not as concerned about that but it is definitely a consideration that any manufacturer could build into any product. We currently have two new radios that just launched. Radiomaster pocket and jumper t-20. Both the same as anything else.

[@zeDoSauRus]

@@Kabab I still rock the original Taranis, I get what you speak of☺️

[@Kabab]

@@zeDoSauRus OG taranis is still top ~3 radios to exist today imo.

[@zeDoSauRus]

@@Kabab I have to agree with that!

[@alperenozgur]

i added led module instead of 3d print 😬

[@ayoaina_fpv]

Cool. Thanks. So, what do you think about their newest radio, the ‘Pocket’?

[@Kabab]

Looks cool but I just saw it this morning when people started posting questions about it. Looks like it has smaller gimbals unfortunately

[@OdysseusVrakas]

I can tell you had fun editing this. Lmao

[@CodyBoyy]

sounds like you just have baby hands sir jp

[@rainbowrunner1136]

Hi.. I currently purchased radiomaster pocket after owning boxer for travel. Boxer sticks are good for me, i have tiny hands. But pocket is so off that i struggle with it most of the time. I was about to this mod on pocket with spacer. I wanted to know if this will help with precision, like how i have in my boxer? Please advice

[@Kabab]

I haven't seen the pocket in person. I don't know if the casing has space to move the gimbal in. You would need to assess that and also draw the spacer to be printed because I think it's a newly designed gimbal.

[@rainbowrunner1136]

@@Kabab hello 👋 so i have found a stl of the spacer for pocket. But my question is around ergonomic. Does lower gimbal position brings more control or precision with respect to stick travel?

[@Kabab]

@@rainbowrunner1136 It seems you haven't fully grasped what I'm trying to present in this video. If you were to try and drive a car where the steering wheel only would rotate 15° to the left and 15° to the right such that 15° to either side would be full lock steering, it would be impossible to drive the car because the steering wheel would be so sensitive. This is essentially what we are doing with our throttle sticks. 1/10 of a millimeter movement can equate to a full rotation on either axis sometimes. If you spread that rotation movements across 3 mm of movement, it is now six times easier to control. So it's respect to your question of precision, yes it will be easier for humans to control the craft

[@ferocious_r]

Shit, man, what an eye opener! Thank you!

[@tk-maker]

I applied some damping grease (the one Chris Rosser used as vibration absorber for frame) on gimbal and make it less noisy and i can feel some "drag" during flight.

[@Kabab]

Yeah that's a nice addition however it sort of does the opposite of damping in the sense that it's difficult to initially get moving and once it starts sliding, the resistance is less. We need the resistance to increase as the stick moves faster, not more freedom once gliding faster. Damping grease does make it ultra smooth however which is nice. Some sort of grease is usually used on most gimbals I've taken apart.

[@rowannadon7668]

Maybe you could couple each axis of the gimbal to some sort of very small oil damper, I’m not sure if such a thing exists that is commercially available though

[@Kabab]

@@rowannadon7668 yeah I think that would work and is the most direct way to do it. Could maybe even find a small RC car damper that would work and fit.

[@marc_frank]

​@@Kababthe rc car oil dampers usually leak but idk if there are air ones

[@alpenfoxvideo7255]

the correct is Human Computer Interaction

[@MysteryD]

My teeth are incredibly tight, but not so much that they're forced to relocate. That said, I've flossed maybe 15 times myself, in my 40 years. So far, so good. Flossing sucks for me, its super super hard to get the floss between my teeth. The dentist says I brush super good.

[@Kabab]

The more frequently you floss, the easier it gets. Don't use glide. Use a waxed woven floss. If you get any fraying or ripping, you have fillings or cavities between your teeth that need to be treated. If your teeth are just tight, saw the floss in gently until you get used to flossing. There is no better standard way to take care of your teeth than flossing once a day and brushing twice a day for two min each brushing. Teeth have a lot of resistance to general decay and whatnot but when it starts going downhill, it gets bad quickly.

[@MysteryD]

@@Kabab We just bought a super expensive water pick, to (hopefully) use with with our autistic 6 year old son, who fights like he's possessed when we try to floss with the little handheld floss picks. Anyway, trust me, my dental hygiene has gotten much better since having 3 teeth removed (for cosmetic purposes, I have a night grinding issue that shortened the front 2 and one adjacent to them) and getting a removable partial denture. It is what it is. At least my teeth are "clean" and I don't get cavities often. And thank you, I appreciate you replying.

[@MysteryD]

(Forgot to mention, I brush my teeth as soon as possible after every cup of coffee I drink. I'm not too into sugary foods)

[@Kabab]

@@MysteryD first off, you should wait at least 20min after eating or drinking anything before brushing. Realistically it doesn't make much difference but when you eat/drink, your mouth becomes acidic and you dissolve a tiny layer over your teeth. Over the next 20min after eating your mouth becomes basic again and you regrow that tooth structure again. Brushing shortly after eating washes away that newly dissolve tooth structure and doesn't allow it to regrow. Also, waterpik isn't a replacement for floss but if it's all you can do, it's excellent. The tool you use is the best one. Autism is unfortunately a difficult one to deal with when it comes to dental health. I worked in special needs for a year during my residency. It was quite eye opening to build relationships with some of these kids. They eventually all ended up trusting me but we still sedated almost all of them. One 18yr old kid had such huge adenoids that I reported it to the parents and the ENT doc. It was an issue because the kid couldn't breathe well which is a massive health issue. A month later he had them removed and I saw the kid 4mo later for a checkup. The kid was a different person. I almost couldn't tell he was autistic. This kid was so bad that he held me hostage in a room for an hour the first time I met him. He's 6'4" and freakishly strong so I really just had to let the hostage situation play it's course or risk ruining my relationship with him forever. I was so happy to see how normal he became so quickly after removing the breathing obstruction. I then became very sad when I realized that the likely cause for his autistic development was probably the obstruction since childhood.

[@MysteryD]

@@Kabab I brush my teeth after coffee because I can't stand the "sugary plaque buildup" feeling my teeth have afterward. Generally speaking, yeah, it's not immediately. Just as soon as I remember to get to it. Thanks for the comments, I appreciate it.

[@cch201992]

Bro for real they are super fragile too. I don't fly high rates I wish it was like a game controller support annoying having all these large remotes. Why isn't there a radio with a analog VRX and screen built in. I want rugged radio that is small

[@ScowlerJase]

10 mins after watching this video I got an email from Radiomaster about the “Pocket” radio lol.

[@Kabab]

I JUST saw this and asked the radiomaster engineer about it. It looks thicker than the boxer and with smaller gimbals but maybe that's just the picture proportions. Just because the gimbals look smaller doesn't mean the range is smaller. Hopeful this is the compact full featured radio we all want but probably just another random product that doesn't address any issues.

[@ScowlerJase]

@@Kabab Totally agree. Currently have a boxer and my beloved Tango2 but not gonna be fooled by some transparent plastic unless someone like yourself convinces me.

[@MysteryD]

I was just discussing last night (and I don't know if you went over this because I just started the video), but I was thinking how awkward it is that gimbals aren't rotated slightly outward so that your thumbs are able to move in a straight line up and down. The current way, its near impossible to move ONLY throttle or pitch, without inadvertently adding some yaw or roll. Our thumbs CANNOT move in a perfectly straight line, up and down, while holding a radio, unless you grab it like you're a 6ft tall crab creature with a weird, wide grip on the sides of the radio.

[@Kabab]

This is just a side effect of needing to have these axis on some sort of interface to be able to function with them as a human. There isn't a more simple way that anyone has come up with that I've seen.

[@MysteryD]

@@Kabab for my issue, honestly, I just think the ability to rotate the gimbal slightly would be a huge start.

[@Kabab]

@@MysteryD the ability to rotate gimbals 30deg in either direction wouldn't be a significant engineering challenge. A number of radios could already accomodate that if there was some rotational mechanism for it. I don't see this as a significant issue for the majority however

[@MysteryD]

@@Kabab you thumb or pinch? Thumb is... Different

[@MysteryD]

@@Kabab Wouldn't even need a mechanism, per se. Could accomplish it by simply having the extra gimbal mounting points molded to the interior of the shell. User could choose which standoffs to mount to, and thusly choose the angle.

[@MojoPapiFPV]

Another way to dampen is to lower your damn rates. If you’re in a buggy and trying to get cinematic footage you probably don’t need to have more than 350 unless you’re filming for other fpv pilots and not commercial use.

[@Kabab]

My rates are 700. That's usually low for acro only pilots. Also, low rates are a safety risk imo. I can barely turn and stop on a dime at 700. Any lower and I would run into things in a pinch. This is not an appropriate solution

[@MojoPapiFPV]

@@Kabab aren’t the top racers running 350-500?

[@Kabab]

@@MojoPapiFPV racing is a different story entirely. You want very low rates so that you don't make many mistakes. Smooth paths through the air is key for racing efficiency. Their 'snap' 180s are extremely slow and docile compared to most if not all acro flying. They're also not putting themselves in super tight situations where they have less than inches to react and execute.

[@MojoPapiFPV]

@@Kabab but we know Vani is not running 750 on his Komodo rig when he’s in super tight sketchy situations. Would doubt he’s even over 500. What I mean is that flying acro for KZbin that only other pilots are going to watch is one thing (Steele/Blackbird) but if you’re flying to make cinematic footage, you’re not approaching it the same way and it would be unwatchable to a commercial audience, so low methodical rates would suite the application better. If you’re filming other vehicles they’re usually on a somewhat predictable path and the relative velocity is often such that you’re trying to match the target vehicle.

[@Kabab]

@@MojoPapiFPV yes however I would not lock myself out of higher rates. My rates are usually around 800 so not really that fast. I also have a fair bit of expo in BF too so the whole center but is squishy and movements get exaggerated as I reach max deflection. If I had to use a smaller gimbal, I would just cut max deflection down and limit overall DPS. Fine but also not. Why not just have all the movement available to me and not use a limited gimbal...?

[@hairyhider7478]

It would be so much cooler with four more switches

[@Kabab]

LOL, let's just add ALL the switches!

[@Kyosanym]

I miss these presentations.

[@choppergirl]

I wish all transmitter reviewers would just measure the stick length without the stick end on them. Just take out a ruler and measure the stick length from base to top, and maybe the amount of threaded area. That's it. Nothign complicated. Post it in your review. Stick length is very important. All of them should have sticks you can swap in and out and screw in and out to chose yoru length, but guess what, nothing is standard. The whole seat where the gimbal is mounted should be standard with a standard bolt mounting patter, and standard interface to the motherboard, so you can put any gimbal in any radio. ANSI,w here are you. It's not rocket science. Everyone benefits.

[@Kabab]

That's a reasonable request but i would take it one step further and wish there was some standard like motor prop shaft lengths. The issue with long stick thread is that you can't get it close enough to the gimbal if you want to reduce stick length.....but that's usually not the limitation on any gimbal I've ever seen. It's always that there isn't enough thread.

[@choppergirl]

@@Kabab I run some Frsky Umbrella stick ends on my TX-16s... and they are usually hanging on precariously by 3-5 thread turns.... i.e., the very end of the stick. My thumbs don't rest on top of the stick but on the very edge of the umbrella. Maximum stick length I am comfortable with for maximum resolution and precision. I also remove the rubber grips, and lower the gimbal with gimbal lowering plates because the radio is just too... fat. It would be nice to be able to screw in a longer (or shorter aftermarket) stick. It also precludes me from switching to any other radio, because I suspect with the trend in smaller radios I would get less stick length out of them. Nobody measures them int he reviews, and with a few exceptions they don't screw out (I suspect). The gimbals are what get used the most on a radio (I realize this after 5000 hours in a sim), so the radio should be built around the best possible gimbals first. Everything about them in relationship to your fingers should be adjustable. I'm think an sliding like frame between them first, that supports the other radio hardware, and the grips, so everything can be moved in or out or fatter or thicker like an accordian... and the plastic monocoque shell dispensed with. You don't get per say a radio, but something like an erector or lego set... much like the Insta360 which can be disassembled and restuck together in different ways to suit. There's some smart phones that tried the same thing. Mount hoes for you to add any 3d printed filler parts you wanted. I'd canabilize some other radio and build a Tyronosaurus Rex prototype, but I'd have to start with he absolute best gimbals available first. The gimbals make or break the radio. ~ Not just ANSI standardize on gimbal seats and motor shaft specs, but a whole host of other things. Swappable arms across quads. Camera mounts. Camera interfaces. Stack mounts. Battery connectors. I look on Rotorbuilds and it's like visiting a Pull-a-part junk yard... next to nothing is hardly cross compatible or interchangable across different machines. What a disaster in a few years going forward, when replacement parts are no longer availalbe and companies are out of business. People are going to be cannibalizing one or two other broken quads to keep another flying.

[@choppergirl]

@@Kabab I've actually been thinking of dispensing with the gimbals entirely, and using something like two square (or round) glass touch pads, much like the square mouse touch pads on laptops. Of course, this would only appeal to thumbers, but you'd slide your thumb around quickly across the touchpad instead of slamming a gimbal stick around. This would get rid of the need to make the gimbal stick ever longer and place the gimbal ever deeper.. The touch pad wouldn't have to be a flat square per say, but could be a bowl or dome shape or whatever turns out to best fit the movement of a thumb in 3D space. Or another idea... a trackball with a limited amount of travel is another option. Your thumb rests on the top of a track ball (with light mass) and you scoot the trackball around in different directions really fast. Or you could go wild and use a lasar scanner like barcode readers do at grocery stores to detect the position of your thumb in space. Something cheap using lasar LED mouse part ideas. The mouse jsut sees a change in the interference pattern of the reflection off a surface. Think upsidedown mouse with your thumb over the lasar LED.

[@Kabab]

@@choppergirl You would think that there would be some attention paid to what users would consider the most critical aspects of the product. Unfortunately the most critical aspect is an afterthought. I blame the general user which is the mass market. There's no point in making a product that is high quality or actually good because there will always be hoards of reviewers that say it's amazing and the mass market will buy it

[@choppergirl]

@@Kabab Yep, Shills. xJet said somehing to the effect of "I don't do reviews or unboxing videos any more, because how can you know if a product really is any good until you've used it for... 3 years. A lot of things are overlooked during first impressions and first sight love". You know, I think a few of us would literally give feedback to these manufacturers for free if they'd send us the prototypes or bounce ideas off of us. Before they roll out a new product like say the Boxer or T20, send a prototye out to anyone hardcore will do a deep dive tear down and provide feedback that you should fix this, this, and change this. A lot of them are simple changes. Things to do before you ramp it up for and turn it over to mass production. Send us the V1, we keep it secret, get feedback and a changelog list, and then roll out the V2 to a mass market. There's a few people that know from experience in certain product areas what is going to drive them crazy and how to make things better. I happen to know a controller because I've put a lot of miles on one, but wouldn't be able to say on something like goggles. If your a product designer, get in touch with someone who's put an assload of miles on the kind of equipment you're designing for free input back. I bet a lot of them would be more enthusiastic to try and help to make their "ultimate dream product". Give them a little credit back for their help to up their name street creed, that's probably all most of them would want in return.

[@djs134]

Have u tried the jumper t20. Looks very interesting

[@Kabab]

Looks promising but unfortunately the back grip of the casing is a wide bulge. This wide bulge is good for thumbers but just doesn't work for pinching at all. It's super slippery. The gimbals appear huge because of the large opening for them but their range is actually even less than the default boxer as far as I can tell from various videos. I do however love the heatsink on the radio and wish the boxer adopted that instead of a little fan. Overall the T-20 looks like a good radio and I'm just guessing on my assessment based on the various videos on youtube already. It would be nice to hold and confirm.

[@tweekFPV]

👍🏻👍🏻

[@Pccbwo]

I play games with high dpi and fly with high rate. I found I'm never able to use most of the throw of a gimbal, I thought I need smaller remote, but my behavior didn't change using jumper tpro. Seeing you dropping the gimbal that might solve my problem.

[@vtowndegekste]

And then there is the radiomaster pocket haha😂

[@Kabab]

Unfortunately that has smaller gimbals and a design that seems to be mostly geared at thumbers

[@MJ-bj1gn]

you REALLY like to add text into your videos 🙈😅

[@Kabab]

na I usually don't. Capcut just makes it so easy that I couldn't help myself.

[@mgbfpv]

What about the fresh release of the new radiomaster radio? Radiomaster Pocket. Small gimbals but small form factor.

[@Kabab]

I JUST saw this and asked the radiomaster engineer about it. It looks thicker than the boxer and with smaller gimbals but maybe that's just the picture proportions. Just because the gimbals look smaller doesn't mean the range is smaller. Hopeful this is the compact full featured radio we all want but probably just another random product that doesn't address any issues.

[@mgbfpv]

@@Kabab released just a few hous after your video, maybe it's a signal. Lol.

[@Kabab]

@@mgbfpv unfortunately it looks like the gimbals are a fair bit smaller

[@kurtzFPV]

Your prototype looks a lot like the RM pocket, bt with full size gimbals.

[@Kabab]

I JUST saw this and asked the radiomaster engineer about it. It looks thicker than the boxer and with smaller gimbals but maybe that's just the picture proportions. Just because the gimbals look smaller doesn't mean the range is smaller. Hopeful this is the compact full featured radio we all want but probably just another random product that doesn't address any issues.

[@kurtzFPV]

@@Kabab Hope you get hold of one of them for a review. I'd like to see your take.

[@user-yk1cw8im4h]

how much smaller is the boxer compared to qx7? Could u shoot me a photo? I need a smaller radio than my qx7

[@Kabab]

About 1" shorter in height, 2" narrower and ~3/4" thinner

[@user-yk1cw8im4h]

@@Kabab thank you! That’s more substantial than I’ve thought

[@Kabab]

@@user-yk1cw8im4h Yeah it's quite a bit smaller. I still wouldn't call it a small radio. It's a good and appropriate size. I don't think any radio should be bigger than this....but if course there's some GIANT radios like the QX7

[@TurtleModeFPV]

I tried out some 3mm to 6mm stick extensions for a while... I liked the feel, but they were giving me carpal tunnel syndrome after an hour in the SIM lol... Wonder if adding the drop would fix the wrist strain I was having 🤔...

[@Kabab]

You can't just extend the sticks. They become too long and hard to reach the ends then. Also more difficult to modulator with sticks that long. Need to drop the gimbal in to get that to work out

[@tinexdFPV]

TX16s FTW

[@hojiqabait]

Control-instrument have lots of factors interacting between what-you-want towards what-you-do. Even the ratio is 1:1, should differs in various applications and users - impossible for one fit all. Should it be customizable, the wider the market shares. 🤷🏻

[@Kabab]

I have some of the largest hands around. If radios are too big for me, they're far too uncomfortably big for most others. Thumbers don't have this problem as much because you just have more latitude with a human hand and only thumbs.

[@hojiqabait]

@@Kabab yeah pinchers just absorb the sensitivity, precisions and resolutions. I wish the market would read this, we need bellytop gimbals with wrists rest! Lol.

[@Kabab]

@@hojiqabait I think the best gimbal for pinchers would be similar to the joystick on the old Sony PSP. It was just a pad that would slide around on the glass surface. It had the gimbal attached under it but it didn't pivot when moved around. Something similar would be the perfect movement setup for thumbers because you sort of end up rotating your thumb around the top of the stick the way it is now. In general, manufacturers do zero to advance anything. They're only focused on selling some crap and they don't carry about anything else at all. They could simply consider any real world users perspective and attempt to address issues but that seems to be impossible for them sadly. So they just keep wasting resources making the same crap over and over

[@hojiqabait]

@Kabab you mean the psp nub? Thumbing sure, bcos thumbers use max throw everytime. Not sure about other pinchers, but for me, I prefer wider resolution thus accurate and precise tracking better with hall. I used to have the same drifting issues with those gamepads and my old pots gimbals. Gamesir, xbox and all the latest gamepads have halls in them too now, so do most RC radios. Or you mean the stick i.e. the pivoting shaft? I think most of the cnc hall gimbals have some fulcrum effect, this should be the standards. But then, not cheap. Can be manufactured as compact as the pyrodrone or mini ag01 - kudos The next best thing ofkos optical. But anything too expensive will surely destroy the hobby. Let them build the market one step at a time in these trying times. From above, i just gonna suggest a softer end stick pinch profile covers and that is all. Yes, like the nub.

[@Kabab]

@@hojiqabait yeah the PSP nub but not that small. A larger version with way more travel.

[@reimontes666]

why are u not reviewing a radiomaster pocket?

[@Kabab]

I literally just saw it this morning when people started commenting about it. Maybe I will but I know the gimbals are smaller so I'm not really interested at the moment unless I can drop them in a bit

[@kaskalo2]

I have cheapest controller, (planning to go for Boxe) so i have no experience. But listening how you explained it simply makes so much sense 🤷‍♂️

[@Kabab]

Cheap or expensive really doesn't matter these days. I just got this ultra cheapo emax whoop controller. The dimensions and gimbal travel is so amazing I would make it my primary if it had a module bay. The boxer is a good controller for sure but it could be better if they paid attention to some meaningful details. It's still the best controller on the market imo

[@HitLuca94]

ease out with the editing, too much stuff popping up like in a commercial

[@Kabab]

Yeah I don't normally do this. Was just messing around with capcut. No gonna do this again.

[@HitLuca94]

It's ok, just that it's the first video that I've seen from your channel, someone may just leave and miss on your content :)

[@techspy2008]

Drone Wars!

[@martinfpv5]

The best controller I've ever had in my hands was from the Jyu Hornet 2. The drone was total sh*t but the controller, the gimbals and the stickends were the best I've ever flown with. The underside from the controller felt perfect in hands.

[@Toddsnightmare]

Now with the new radiomaster pocket the gimbals got even smaller

[@Kabab]

Right. I just saw that this morning. Looks like it's thicker and the gimbals are once again smaller which keeps with the theme of manufacturers battling on who can make the smallest gimbal for some reason

[@Toddsnightmare]

Ya it seems that way I'll stick with my zorro awesome sale on the site BTW I now have 3 toothpicks with your frame and motors love it