Kahhori VS Spanish Army - Doctor Strange Meets Kahhori | What If? Season 2 Episode 6

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Ahtaraks and Mohawk army fights the Spain Colonial to save Wahta, Kahhori meets the Spain queen to offer peace. Doctor Strange ending scene, Stephen looking for Kahhori in the multiverse and time travel. #marvel #whatif #theavengers

[@elnene9506]

At the same time, Marvel has a British captain who carries the flag of the most genocidal empire in history, which has killed the most indigenous people throughout the history of humanity.

[@c.b.h1151]

Actually it was the Mongols and the Chinese. China itself murdered it's way through not only it's own constant rebellions, but during the conquests outside of its own borders. Ghengis Khan slaughtered over 11% of the world's population. Just saying.

[@Melkac]

Si ya te vimos españolete, ya deja de llorar.😊

[@gaiofattos2]

The Spanish and Portuguese exterminated as much as the brits did easily. But i know your complain.

[@15241]

​@@gaiofattos2 No, the british did more harm than the spanish in quantities bigger than the iberian kingdoms.

[@Cocacolaespuma394]

@@gaiofattos2ay yeah bro… because Latin America is super white and European as USA

[@josecolon2717]

How strange, the Spanish were not in north America until well after queen Isabella had died. In addition the natives were only collected on the first voyage but given equal rights upon reaching Spain… and judging by the lack of king Ferdinand this Queen Isabella is ruling alone meaning a possible Castile conquest of Aragon. So a much much more aggressive Spanish empire. Honestly the correct villain for this story would have been the British considering they had an extermination policy with natives whereas the Spanish had an assimilation policy (not saying the Spanish never pillaged and killed, I’m saying they were officially not supposed to)

[@cseijifja]

Isabella's cahracter is fucking butchered too, she was a champion of native rights and heavily punished with life prison or death anyone proven of abusing them. Even in hear death she aboged for the correct treatment of natives. These should have been the english and their elizabeth, but nah, spanish .

[@josuefernandezalmodovar4422]

And... why do the spanish voices sound with an american accent??? It's all wrong xD

[@matthewwachipa6664]

The tittle literally says what if 😭😂😂😂this ain’t a history lesson it’s a story by a comic book company 🥲trying to sound smart with what most people know please

[@matthewwachipa6664]

@@UNROTOMAN the problem is I don’t understand anything you just wrote I’m an English speaker sorry mate

[@cseijifja]

@@matthewwachipa6664 yeah, the story should be "what if the spanish where evil caricatures of themselves out of some woke 21st century writer" , not about the tesseract.

[@er-charly366]

More anti-Spain black legend, not like the British, who respected the native tribes and encouraged the liberation of souls from their bodily prisons (sarcasm).

[@santiagobp3059]

no crei que llegarian a errores histricos como este, España no llego a conquistar tan al norte de América, es un ejemplo mas de la leyenda Negra, pero que se podia esperar de Disney

[@josephrodriguez5510]

Ni siquiera existía España xd, era castilla y aragon

[@LuDa-lf1xd]

Aman cagarse en España y victimizar a los indios. No solo tapan la historia horrible que tienen los anglos en América, sino que la falsifican, en este caso bajo el escudo de " universo alternativo".

[@varric]

Y la reina Isabel ademas prohibió la esclavitud de los nativos.

[@slimer44producciones3]

Y que es la leyenda negra?

[@endercraft8789]

​@@varric Además de haber muerto más de un siglo antes de que los exploradores descubrieran la Costa Este de Norteamérica.

[@AngelSebastianLeon]

What if Spanish were British. XD

[@AngelSebastianLeon]

@@andrewc5476 Nop, that's something we call "leyenda negra" (black legend). They weren't perfect of course, but definitely they weren't the monsters we see here.

[@AngelSebastianLeon]

@@andrewc5476 Actually, funny thing, I said "they", but "they" actually were my ancestors, not the ancestors of Spanish people from nowadays. British killed all the indigenous they could, that's way there are just a few of they today, in Latin America, we have a lot of pre-Columbians' blood because the conquistadors mixed with them. So there's no way they could have been brutal, nothing to do. XD

[@andrewc5476]

@@AngelSebastianLeon Actually there’s not much mixing according to research. A huge chuck of Mexicans have more than 60 percent of indigenous blood. The Spanish didn’t like mixing with them. Look it up. The Spanish got so much resistance from the indigenous people and were not able to wipe them out.

[@andrewc5476]

@@AngelSebastianLeon The Spanish forced indigenous people to only speak Spanish and made then forget their culture. The Spanish raped many women and destroyed pyramids. The Spanish set up a caste system where people who have brown skin are discriminated against in Mexico and are not able to obtain high paying jobs due to looking “Indio”. Brown Mexicans are rarely seen in Mexicans shows and movies because of the caste system set up by the Spanish.

[@andrewc5476]

@@AngelSebastianLeon Your lack of knowledge about the racist system in Mexico is surprising. White Mexicans are glorified in Mexico so how can you not see that?

[@supernaturalawesome1]

I love how the ending is Dr. Strange showing up saying, "Bravo, world peace in record time. I'm sure that'll last." He's lived long enough and traveled to enough worlds to know, peace never lasts. Inevitably, another war will occur, and things will revert to how they've always been, people fighting, conquering, and destroying each other. It's an endless cycle. His concern is for the multiverse as a whole, not the issues of a people or world. He's becoming more and more like The Watcher.

[@m.a.dmatt6689]

The only difference is that unlike the Watchers, Strange can interact with the multiverse if need be

[@zimknxckb4ck]

Worst episode ever. Forced character just like captain marvel and giah. (I knew this comment gonna make some losers cry. What i mean is: Isnt that weird that they picked random people that not so popular and make them extremely powerful? You 'woke culture' slaves. They could make better story with the tesseract. But as usual they pick a woke character. Im not jealous of anything I just found all this cringe.)

[@Angelo-yr1en]

@@zimknxckb4ck somebody’s jealous that a Native American is a hero

[@Manana7016]

@@Angelo-yr1en oh get off your high horse. You know that’s not what they were referring to. Go get a personality.

[@Angelo-yr1en]

@@Manana7016 he seems to be hating this particular episode boyo

[@enderman03pro26]

This chapter is pure black legend, they should have shown a true genocidal empire like the British or French empire. Meanwhile, the true Isabel the Catholic: that they do not consent or allow the neighboring Indians and inhabitants of the Indians to receive any wrong in their persons and property, but rather that they be well and fairly treated and if they have received any wrong, they should remedy it.

[@c.b.h1151]

It's a made up cartoon, it's not history, lol.

[@InvictusSolDeus]

@@c.b.h1151 oh it's just a cartoon, well I hope then Marvel makes an episode where they show American colonists being bloodthirsty with the Australian natives, enslaving them and exterminating them almost completely without mercy. And that a Koori superhero (or Murri, Noongar, Yamatji or any other Australian tribe) travels to the USA and kicks the ass of a cruel and heartless Abraham Lincoln for supporting the extermination of native Australians. Americans were not responsible for the massacres perpetrated against Australian aborigines in real life, but hey, it's just a cartoon, i'm sure no American will get mad at being represented in such a negative and awful way (and ironically, it would be closer to the historical truth than this). Seriously, although it is a cartoon, it still serves to transmit false ideas and images. Many people are very ignorant of history and truly believe what they see on television. What Marvel does with this is whitewash the bloody history of the British and American colonizers, and continue to perpetuate a totally false image of the Spanish as cruel and bloodthirsty people who committed genocide, when precisely they established laws for the protection of Native Americans, that's why in countries like Mexico, Peru, Bolivia, etc... between 80%-90% of the population are of native descent, while in the USA and Canada it doesn't even reach 5%.

[@g_g_g3]

Don't be naive, to think that fiction is not sold as propaganda... a child sees this and does not think it is fiction, because of that rule of three, since it is fiction, do we have to lie about the story and receive insults based on fallacies? You are stupid?@@c.b.h1151

[@bvillafuerte765]

@@InvictusSolDeus These people have fallen asleep in all their history classes.

[@InvictusSolDeus]

@@bvillafuerte765 No, his history classes are pure propaganda. It teaches them how incredible Americans are, minimizing or directly whitewashing their most negative aspects. For example it teaches them that the Spaniards who came to the New World were "cruel plunderers", "greedy goldseekers", "bloodthirsty conquerors" and all kinds of negative terms. Meanwhile, the Englishmen who came to the New World are called "brave colonists", "tenacious homebuilders", "fearless explorers", "seekers after liberty", etc.

[@willy.c4600]

No se, por mas excusa de que digan de que es un "What if", esto claramente no es mas que la *leyenda negra* siendo implementada una vez mas por angloparlantes. O no quieren conocer la historia o peor, lo saben pero se niegan a admitirlo.

[@SofiaHuidobro176]

Showing Spanish as the bads, typical Anglo Propaganda.

[@pawehebda2583]

So now showing a LITERAL HISTORY - a things that ACTUALLY happened is called propaganda?

[@Cocacolaespuma394]

⁠​⁠@@pawehebda2583I’m Peruvian, this is clearly propaganda portraying it as a evils vs goods when the conquest process was much more complex with their matices and greys… not to mention Mohawks weren’t invaded by Spain

[@muhammadarifbillah984]

​@@pawehebda2583not literal history, the Spanish conquistador never got this far north

[@c.b.h1151]

Anyone with a brain can see it for what it is, everyone getting so worked up about it is hilarious.

[@lordfoul6259]

​@@c.b.h1151exactly this isn't supposed to be historically accurate it's an alternate universe ppl lol

[@gastonlanteri1147]

The writters of the show already explained in a tweet why it's the spaniards the ones who invade North America, and not the brits, the explanation is: "Because this is an alternative universe". So in this universe, everything is upside down, and all the roles are reversed. In this universe, the spaniards are the ones who want to genocide all the natives of North America, and the british are the ones who give them equal rights and treat them as humans! You are? Also, I'm waiting for Captain America of this universe to fight along Hitler. That would be amazing. Oh... You won't write about it? So bad. How about russian winning the Second World War by entering Berlin instead of the US? Oh... That's how it actually went IRL? I have another idea... You know that Nazis emigrated to Argentina right? So write a story about the US taking all the Nazis sciencitists after the SWW for their space program and their military industry, but then blaming Argentina for allowing Nazis to enter their borders. You can even go further and make some jew mutant go chasing random Nazi soldiers in Patagonia while avoiding former Nazi officers and inventors of missiles and other mass killing methods living in the US. Like... Why not right? In this universe everything can happen!

[@NikSebatop]

Que falta de respeto España Siempre fue una nación que lucho contra la tiranía ¿Acaso olvidaron? cuando está nación salvó a Europa varias veces Un ejemplo es la batalla de Lepato

[@edwinrodriguez3194]

Sha deja de llorar :v

[@NikSebatop]

@@edwinrodriguez3194 Mexicano progresista detectado

[@jimmyphelps8141]

Y si hubiesemos arrasado como dicen, que más da. Orgulloso igualmente. ARRIBA ESPAÑA

[@mr.battledroid2195]

It’s all wrong on every single aspect, Marvel may use the word “fiction” as an excuse for producing propaganda, which in this case is anti-Spanish and historically ridiculous. The man who wrote this episode is an indigenist liar that denies the British genocide in the Americas but lies about supposed Spanish genocide… they portray Spain as a villain while they add a hero with the flag and shield of the most genocidal empire in human history

[@mr.battledroid2195]

@@revanruler6404 yeah I’m not even going to answer you because I’d write a whole Bible and im lazy rn, but that’s just black legend.

[@enekaitzteixeira7010]

​@@revanruler6404 That's not true. Whenever was abuse to the indigenous population, it was by the hand of certain corrupted grandholders, who violated the official laws of indigenous rights granted by the Spanish Crown. It was not an official stance. And the characters of this episode act like idiotic cartoonish muppets anyway.

[@varric]

@@revanruler6404 "So if you have proof that the spanish crown never enslaved any natives please show it to me because from my studies i recall Mountains of évidence to the contrary." Isabel la Católica banned the slavery of the native-americans, as she wanted them to be her subjects, not her slaves. She also punished Cristobal Colón for being a tyrant who mistreated the native-americans.

[@varric]

@@revanruler6404 Wow, a british fanboy spreading the Black Legend.

[@enderman03pro26]

​@@revanruler6404Bartolomé de las Casas was a liar who often invented his stories and told fictitious numbers; on the contrary, the Indians could not be enslaved or judged because the laws protected them. You can look for it as Laws and ordinances newly made by His Majesty for the governance of the Indies and good treatment and conservation of the Indians, and I don't know if you knew that many Indians and some blacks were conquerors who became landowners after making their conquest, I can tell you that 90% of the conquistadors were indigenous people who fought against empires that abused them like the Mexica (Aztec) and the Inca.

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

I was genuinely surprised that Kahhori is a original superhero in the MCU.

[@ConStormENT]

It's neat to see an new OC. But Phil coulson was first

[@startmirca]

@@ConStormENTHe said original superhero though.

[@ConStormENT]

@@startmirca original creation that hasn't been done in comics.

[@vari_ares]

@@ConStormENT He / she still said original super hero.

[@enderman03pro26]

And unfortunately it is garbage propaganda, a black legend.

[@alvaropenalvaalonso4796]

Oh, yes; I remember: the British extermination policies…The look quite Spanish tho🤨. As always: don’t let NOT EVEN fiction tell the truth about the British Empire (and the U.S)

[@jimmyphelps8141]

Y si hubiesemos arrasado como dicen, que más da. Orgulloso igualmente. ARRIBA ESPAÑA

[@bvillafuerte765]

That's an alternative universe.

[@InvictusSolDeus]

@@bvillafuerte765 Oh yeah? So I hope that in the next season we will have episodes where the English and Americans are represented as bloodthirsty racist genocides. At least it would be closer to the real world history than this insulting abomination. But you and I know that Marvel will never do that because they love to whitewash the bloody Anglo-Saxon history. Seriously, putting a Mohawk hero fighting alongside a British hero, the most genocidal empire in hisotry, responsible for the extermination and destruction of his people, is like putting a Jewish superhero fighting side by side with a Nazi superhero as if they were great friends. So no, "That's an alternative universe" is a BS excuse.

[@silent1268]

@@InvictusSolDeus No. It's normal excuse

[@InvictusSolDeus]

@@silent1268 It's BS, because in movies such as Eternals and Wakanda Forever, which do not take place in any alternative universe, the Spaniards still represented as if they were British/American colonizers with the natives.

[@benwasserman8223]

Would love to see how a present-day incarnation of Kahhori's world turned out. It could be an Indigenous-futurism society similar to Wakanda - there's a lot of storytelling possibilities to go from there.

[@Angelo-yr1en]

Basically America where the original people never got oppressed

[@THEINFINITIVERSESAGA]

@@Angelo-yr1enthat’s already a storyline for my game

[@Angelo-yr1en]

@@THEINFINITIVERSESAGA what game

[@users10116]

They should be the most advanced humans in the world by a miles , they literally have superpowers , wakandan are just humans in comparison and they made an incredibly advanced civilization with vibrinium so just imagine what kahhori and her people can achive with all those ability

[@21preend42]

Well in truth, is that it won't be futuristic at all. The reason humanity evolved so much technologically is because of our need for better tools. When you give them powers they won't strive to discover new tech to overcome their problems. For example they have super speed therefore building carts or horse riding won't be necessary. They can also jump so why build ladders or rope.

[@glxjchaos7775]

The Spanish never met the Iroquois

[@increasepeace4996]

These are Mohawk

[@quierollegaralos100ksubien3]

​@@increasepeace4996y hasta donde se sabe tampoco mas allá de algun explorador aleatorio.

[@dontcallmewave]

Yeah. Because THATS the biggest issue with this episode

[@mklertayop8681]

This is a gringo movie, they don't want to remember that the ones who actually wiped out all natives were themselves

[@varric]

@@increasepeace4996 Spain never met those either.

[@S-hermam]

Brigada si viera esto... Se retorceria de rabia XDDD

[@quierollegaralos100ksubien3]

X2, aunque en una de esas... no tanto como uno podría pensar.

[@josecarr05]

Literal...

[@mileikabatista2902]

Brigada creo que ya lo vio

[@bolatam]

De hecho ya subió vídeo al respecto 🗿

[@g_g_g3]

Shame putting Isabel L Catolica as villian when she was the only power woman to think in the native human rights, shame, its like putting Hitler as a hero...and a real history hero as a villian oh well Captain Carter with the genocide culture with britain flag saving Kahori hahahaha

[@SirsasthNigam.]

Kahhori reminds me of Namor ,both can go to any lengths to protect their people at all costs While Namor invaded Wakanda with his army, Kahhori initially faced Spanish alone

[@benwasserman8223]

Yeah but Kahhori seems willing to make some kind of peace treaty. Namor would likely have flooded Spain to make a point.

[@Angelo-yr1en]

@@benwasserman8223 facts

[@DefMM123]

Nice catch I didn't really notice that!!

[@zimknxckb4ck]

Worst episode ever. Forced cringe character just like captain marvel and giah.

[@Angelo-yr1en]

@@zimknxckb4ck stay mad white folks this native hero is awesome 🤩

[@witchcatuwu4569]

Cual es la obsesión gringa en poner siempre a los españoles como xenofobos y malvados con los indigenas cuando en realidad españa trato bastante bien a los indígenas (claro era un buen trato para la epoca)

[@georgezee5173]

Lo gracioso es que Marvel Studios lleva en solo 2 años tres referencias a eso mismo sin venir a cuento de nada. La primera, en Eternals, poniendo a los Conquistadores como el ejemplo definitivo de genocidas (LOL), la segunda, en Wakanda Forever, con un Namor que jamás había sido amerindio (no voy a decir hispano o latino porque eso sería insultar al personaje) hasta que Marvel Studios lo decidió para su peli y tuvo que meter a los malvados españoles por medio (podrían haber hecho eso mismo pero con un Namor perteneciente a una tribu de Norteamérica exterminada por ingleses, pero no...).

[@andrewc5476]

What are you talking about the Spanish were more cruel towards the native people than the British. What the British did is nothing compared to what the Spanish did.

[@witchcatuwu4569]

​@@andrewc5476 si claro, el mero echo que haya mas indigenas y mestizos y lenguas y culturas (indigenas) en las ex colonias españolas que en USA y otras colonias inglesas (literalmente los pocos nativos que dejaron los anglos los dejaron en reservas a morir) desmiente lo que dices mi querido anglo parlante falto de educación historica😊

[@witchcatuwu4569]

​@@andrewc5476 trata de desmentir lo que te puse y veras como te desmiento

[@witchcatuwu4569]

@@georgezee5173 we mira lo que puso un anglo tratando de decir que los britanicos fueron menos crueles que los españoles xd

[@finlandguy427]

She's like a pocahontas with supernatural powers

[@SirsasthNigam.]

Kahhori reminds me of Namor ,both can go to any lengths to protect their people at all costs While Namor invaded Wakanda with his army, Kahhori initially faced Spanish alone

[@dklisapgomar2126]

@@SirsasthNigam.yup lone wolf

[@carlosrivas1629]

except its modern day earth because Dr strange cannot go back to a time before he was born. this is modern day earth on a planet that never left the tribal stage on one side and never had a renaissance on the other side. you think the Spanish were bad, wait till the muslims unleashed and they had swords.

[@inquisitorofthegodemperor8434]

Strange Supreme was able to create a portal of zombies from another timeline into the one Ultron was in, and he quite literally created a space outside of time. Pretty sure time periods don't matter in this instance and he can travel anywhere and anywhen as he wants.@@carlosrivas1629

[@Angelo-yr1en]

@@carlosrivas1629 this a universe where the Europeans never oppressed the native Americans

[@punadoretirado01]

Wouldn't they be english? I think they arrived on North America

[@marksanders2168]

Spanish arrived to the Americas way before the Anglos. About 135 years before. 💯

[@oscarpena7285]

⁠@@marksanders2168but not northeast usa those were the British , the biggest genocides of history

[@marksanders2168]

@@oscarpena7285 again no. Northern East united states was first touched by the Dutch and later French. British came very late to the game.

[@tenshimx2163]

​To be late how fast they were in exterminating so many people so fast

[@arobin6695]

she can take a cannonball fired directly into her head and it does no damage and doesnt leave a scratch, i dont think he could have possibly killed her with his sword

[@raihanaditya4266]

I like how they expanded the capabilities of space stone here👌

[@iagoluiz8467]

Space Stone always allowed the user with several forms of transportation. Telekinesis, Teleportation, maybe even phasing.

[@quihuynh1647]

I mean the Mind Stone gave Wanda and Pietro their power why not the other Stones give other people their power

[@user-kt9cx7ob4z]

​@@quihuynh1647I mean I feel people are forgetting Captain Marvel got her powers from the space Stone but her power seem to be completely different from kahhori

[@iagoluiz8467]

@@user-kt9cx7ob4z Maybe it is because of the Kree blood transfer which Carol received after she absorbed that blast.

[@quihuynh1647]

@@user-kt9cx7ob4z To be fair her power came from multiple sources mainly the Space Stone

[@SirsasthNigam.]

Native American Superheroines like Echo exist in comics and MCU , she debuted in Hawkeye and now has a series telling her past,portrayed by Alaqua Cox , a Native American, Kahhori is voiced by ,Devery Jacobs ,a Native American, there is even freaking Wendigo that fought Wolverine in comics, "Woke agenda" fans don't know anything about comics like Jeremy of CinemaSins

[@blindjedi636]

Ok kid, I’m going to assume your real and not a bot. People are able to create new characters of a certain race even if there are multiple characters of that same race. No one complains about multiple white people poping up all the time because that’s stupid. Even their term woke is stupid know as anything people don’t like is woke. My car blows up it’s woke. My dog dies it’s woke. You see the problem. It can be applied to anything making it meaningless.

[@Angelo-yr1en]

@@blindjedi636 nothing wrong with Native American heroes

[@quihuynh1647]

@@Angelo-yr1en I have no problem with it but I do notice the "new girl mastered power that she just got better than the people who have them for years" theme going on with Disney

[@SilverPlayer2002]

I’m not hating what you’re saying or what it’s addressing, as this episode was well told (also fun fact, you’ll see Devery Jacob’s again in Echo as a different character. The problem here is that for Echo the series, it’s going to be going against what most people associate about the character. Like Ms. Marvel, they essentially abandon their main powers or abilities for something else new. They say Maya’s powers will be better than her comic book powers, but that seems hard to believe given the current slate of MCU lately as a character who can perfectly mimic someone’s skills in hand to hand combat is truly what we would want to have in a series that brings back the roots of Netflix marvel.

[@Angelo-yr1en]

@@quihuynh1647 no it’s a different kind of power it’s space energy something like how Captain marvel got her powers

[@XELA466]

Manipulation and lies. Always proud❤️🇪🇸✝️

[@juankiespa2110]

Always proud 🇪🇸❤️✝️

[@MementoMoriIlluminatusDrStrang]

Kahhori and this what if actually is an interesting idea but i would prefer see her in the MCU live action before an animated series

[@shaneilovedoingstuffnotguy6508]

Hey i may not remember correctly but dont infinity gems kill humans who try to interact with them since humans life level is to low gues they forgot about that

[@SL16867]

Doctor Stephen Strange is right there.

[@SirsasthNigam.]

Carol Danvers normal human was given power by Space Stone then had blood transfusion from Kree

[@bobotheclown88]

The rule seems to be that they kill men but give women near omnipotent powers

[@SirsasthNigam.]

@@bobotheclown88 no Power Stone killed the Collecter 's slave, GOTG were able to wield it with Star Lord

[@thecommentguy9380]

​@@SL16867strange wielded the time stone indirectly, that's how he didnt immediately die. Red skull tried to touch the cube and immediately got yeeted to the middle of nowhere. Quill almost died despite being half celestial when he touched the power stone Inf stones are extremely dangerous to humans

[@hriatna]

Dr Strange is becoming more and more like the Watcher. What if ? the series is trying to portray the origin of the Watcher using the 'what if?' occurrences ?

[@gengariivonshiny44]

Anglo History Washing

[@TheDeviantDon]

The MCU movies would genuinely benefit from having these types of characters in live action. That, and the writers of this show NEED to write movies. All of these episodes can be movies all on their own, and it shows, I’m genuinely impressed with how What If actually improved since the last season, and it’s basically almost perfect so far.

[@lobob3382]

Finale sucked ass though...

[@vari_ares]

@@lobob3382 Why ? :)

[@vasqu3z893]

because it didnt made any sense and was full of woke shit@@vari_ares

[@spinosaurusstriker]

@@vari_ares human characters handling stones shootout dying defeating a inter dimensional being that has 5 of those

[@vasqu3z893]

why exactly does kahhoris power work outside the strange tesseract world ? and how the fuck can the tesseract make her so op ?

[@StarlingInSpace]

Lazy writing, like the rest of what if

[@Neopolitan2024]

sigh are we questioning this again.

[@Neopolitan2024]

@@StarlingInSpace Yeah and just hate and judge whatever you and others see.

[@sheflashedus]

they mix the native americans from the usa with the native americans from places such as mexico and the caribbean.

[@bvillafuerte765]

Ironically in this episode Spain is the main enemy.

[@sheflashedus]

they are the main enemy@@bvillafuerte765

[@dii_ea]

Why did you add previous with this one...not smart!

[@allisonwright1351]

Anyone know the name of that theme at 0:47? I looked but I haven’t been able to find it.

[@alexandruv.3390]

I kinda wish Kahhori's powers weren't stone related. They feel way too different from Captain Marvel who got hers from the same stone. Also Kahhori got a handle on her powers in a few hours and was already stronger and faster than the people who were infused with the same powers for years.

[@Masterahsoka]

Loved the episode. I always wanted to see a world where Natives were never forced out of their lands.

[@Angelo-yr1en]

Basically America where the original people never got oppressed

[@THEINFINITIVERSESAGA]

That’s part of a storyline for my game

[@THEINFINITIVERSESAGA]

@@Angelo-yr1enthat could be arranged

[@josephrodriguez5510]

Yes thats called latin america, the brits where the ones that killed and desplacen the indigenous their way

[@reybalduinoivdejerusalen2391]

And why put the Spanish as villains and not the British? The British, and time later the Americans, practically exterminated Native Americans for considering they were "beasts" or "sub-humans" and took their lands

[@luckyking42]

I'm not going to even lie guys as much as I like her power. I'm starting to feel like a lot of powers. Feel the same. Bullets freezing in mid-air, creating a shield to protect yourself. Is all things we have seen in the past. It's time to create new Innovative powers for these new characters.

[@SirsasthNigam.]

no it's not She did gain powers but she mastered it to some extent by interacting with Sky World , while she can make portals , her telekinesis and reflexes are weaker than the tribe

[@mcdonciii]

Her powers are weaker but was able to take down the portal from the Sky after a few hours... alright. And yeah, everyone seems to be bulletproof at this point, they are like Reiner from the Attack on Titan

[@archeculus4730]

@@SirsasthNigam.that’s just an excuse you are making up for terrible writing 😊

[@boydixonentertainment]

What powers did you have in mind? I feel like Marvel especially already has any power you could think of tied to another superhero.

[@luckyking42]

@boydixonentertainment That's a great question. I actually do have a power for her in mind. Many superheroes have the ability to open portals, but Only portal they could open and travel through. How about they start giving superheroes are connected to portals Different abilities When they open the portals. It should be used more as a weapon instead of a form of traveling. I believe they should've given her the ability to open portals to dimensions of war. Any weapon that is being used at the time could be shot through the portal. But there's a catch. This portal is not bound by time, so she could continue using the same portal. The same moment of time that these weapons are being used over and over.

[@josecarr05]

Q bien, más leyenda negra...

[@taxsman3163]

Espero que no lo digas de una manera sarcastica, de ser asi mejor cierra la boca es una buena historia, no es de esas estupideces donde fuerzan la inclusion la peor parte es que ni siquiera lo dijiste bien, son morenos al ser nativos, los negros son de otro lugar completamente diferente ☠

[@amebavirtual8952]

Si, los ingleses y franceses ,esos que exterminaron todo y eran los malos de verdad ,donde están?

[@cseijifja]

@@taxsman3163 literalmente es ams leyuenda negra, los españoles jamas secuestraron gente de norteamerica, y fue muy ilegal hacerlo o ahcerlos esclavos. La reina isabel era una gran defensora de los derechos de los nativos, sentando las bases del respeto a su vida y cosntumbres, y la proteccion de estos donde fuera que españa fuera. Para colmo, la "conquista " fue una empresa privada, no de la corona. Pero claro , para cagarse en los hispanos, los anglos primeros.

[@josecarr05]

​@@taxsman3163 el término leyenda negra no hace referencia al color de piel de nadie.

[@jotten8587]

Que leyenda negra? Si esclavisaron a los indígenas, dividiendo por castas, dándole trato preferencial a españoles y hijos de españoles.

[@FranciscoM67]

What if...you study history and stop spreading hate. No more anti-Spain black legend.

[@slidersides]

It’s black history month

[@archeculus4730]

This show has a huge power scaling consistency issue

[@THEINFINITIVERSESAGA]

Who gives a … bout power scaling Nerdobaby

[@archeculus4730]

@@THEINFINITIVERSESAGA Anyone apart from a child or a comic book nerd; essentially anyone who would care from consistency from a piece of media and not treat it special because it’s based on a comic book.

[@Neopolitan2024]

@@archeculus4730 so true.

[@Neopolitan2024]

@@THEINFINITIVERSESAGA everyone cares. power scaling often had bad writing or just ruin a character.

[@blackjaguar807]

how can black widow even hurt loki who beat cap in a figth... thats fucking stupid

[@SirsasthNigam.]

Cpt Carter and Black Widow both fought Loki and Cap and Tony were able to capture Loki

[@blackjaguar807]

@@SirsasthNigam. ironman and cap are both stronger than captain carter or black widow..Cap is building level and Ironman scales to hulk. Captain carter is small building at best and Widow is street to wall level

[@henrimatadi8719]

off screen combat plus it was a 2v1 and i'm pretty sure what if varients are stronger than ;the main timeline

[@blackjaguar807]

@@henrimatadi8719 yeah captain carter could land some hits but black widow should be vaporized by one strike... What if was full of potential but its full of shit now

[@fullsiegetroll6242]

@@SirsasthNigam.that was part of lokis plan

[@ibisiii3526]

So does anyone know when we are going to get a native or mesoamerican male lead?

[@buntado6]

Fiction set in old Japan: Samurai, shinto. Ficion set in old China: Wu Xia, budhism Fiction set in old America or Africa: AND THEN CAME WHITE MAN! So tired of this. I can never get lost in the native cultures of those places because pop culture has paradoxically made white man the most important aspect of their identity, if not the only one.

[@senoresquina1715]

Completely agree. That's a great evidence they don't actually care for them and their culture, they just want to use them as eternal victim puppets in a game of political propaganda.

[@leviswranglers2813]

Oh look, they reinvented Danielle Moonstar. Hopefully, this helps their DEI/ESG score, I have a feeling they'll be taking major loans in the next few years.

[@jackhummer8344]

This character has literally different powers, backstory, and is even from a completely different tribe than Moonstar. But because this character is Native American, she has to be a reinvention of another Native American because they're completely interchangeable to you, right?

[@leviswranglers2813]

@jackhummer8344 I suggest that you go look up both of their powers and abilities. Marvel studios has done what they've always done since the beginning of Phase 4, which is take 2 or 3 characters and mush them together to try to create something "new". I feel in this instance it is completely insensitive to Native Americans. Native Americans have lost, been stolen from, sacrificed and much worse and more by this country and I feel that they deserve better than reheated leftovers because that's all they've ever gotten. They deserve original characters that embrace their heritage, culture, and struggles. Not this corporate approved mis-mash that is only for show. You are welcome to feel otherwise, but I'm done taking the powerful's table scraps.

[@jackhummer8344]

@@leviswranglers2813 Moonstar can communicate with animals, create illusions, and manifest people's fears as illusions. Kahhori has telekinesis, enhanced physical abilities, energy projection, and portal creation. Not the same power set in the slightest. Hell, their powers even have completely different themes. You have no right to feel like this is "completely insensitive to Native Americans" when you think that two Native American women are the same character despite their different background, powers, and culture. Take your thinly-veiled racist bs and shove it.

[@leviswranglers2813]

@jackhummer8344 They're both telekinetic, both can project energy blasts, can both enchant others, both can open portals. Granted Dani gained some of those powers later in her life and at her introduction she was only able to manifest fears, but they both share very similar power sets. Seriously just do a quick Google search, it's all there. If we continue to allow those in powerful positions to do the bare minimum, then the bare minimum is all we will get. Don't you think that you are worthy of better? I think you are only worthy of the best.

[@aaronlee5073]

Who remembers the scene in Return of the King when Aragon arrives with the ghost army…I’m felt that vibe watching this episode

[@THEINFINITIVERSESAGA]

4:02 NAME OF SONG ITS MADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD FIRE

[@ChloePricesNumberOneSimp]

5:44 nah bro they done turned her into dr.manhattan

[@Drzahman]

More racist anti spanish black legend well done marvel.

[@Klyly331]

U can't be racist to Spanish people cuz they created racism

[@slidersides]

Did you forget that they started basically modern racism? 🤣

[@characatogamer7859]

@@slidersides you mean the laws that protected interracial marriage, or the fact that black slaves could be free, or that modern racism started way later in the ilumination period, from lutheran germany and anglican england?

[@TheBee-127]

This episode impressed me! I want her powers so badly! They look so cool.

[@yuutousakaki6098]

both wanda and strange supreme recruit men(and women too) to their force, i have no doubt that what if season 2 last episode is a total combat between Strange and Scarlet Witch force. Only question is why?

[@masterwu3478]

Spanish army….right

[@varric]

Black legend again. Spain never arrived as far north as the Mohawk Nation territory.

[@jayari7674]

The only woke thing in the series so far is captain woman and black widow somehow beating loki. But that’s about it.

[@crucible1084]

lmao i thought the same too, they talk like its not even gonna be hard to beat him too. the guy has the mindstone, and is atleast on the same level of strength as spiderman (which is miles ahead from cap in terms of physical strength) So unless he doesnt just mind control either one of them to fight the other, loki should literally be able to punch a hole through them. but girl power wins the day I guess idk lol

[@Alexander-wq7qo]

How is that woke

[@Puggalug]

“Woke" has become a catchall phrase for things conservatives don't like. Usually woke means "you're awake" and see things with open eyes. The right wing is trying to redefine it as a bad thing and is doing miserably.

[@FranciscoM67]

Demasiada Leyenda Negra en Disney ... ¿Quizás ignorancia?

[@reybalduinoivdejerusalen2391]

No creo que sea mera ignorancia, estos productores de Disney/Marvel saben muy bien lo que están haciendo, pues recordemos que ambos hacían propaganda al servicio del gobierno gringo durante la Segunda Guerra Mundial, Marvel con el Capitán América y Disney con los cortos de Mickey y el Pato Donald

[@zahoorahmedhashmi5190]

It was one of the best episodes ❤ A whole movie can be made on this episode Loved it ❤

[@mr.battledroid2195]

It’s the worst episode, it’s full of lies and propaganda, it’s extremely in accurate in the historical aspect and almost feels like anti Spanish propaganda

[@enekaitzteixeira7010]

Lol. If this is the best, I cannot imagine how the worst must be.

[@billcipher9344]

@@enekaitzteixeira7010 Eh its a genuinly good episode despite bad historic accuracy.

[@billcipher9344]

@@mr.battledroid2195 While not the worst, it was weird to be so wrong about the spanish

[@liasoliveira9416]

This woman manages to be stronger than the entire people and has spent more time with her powers!! She stayed for a maximum of 2 days and became a super saiyan... Woke culture at its peak. Boring and forced episode.​@@billcipher9344

[@THEINFINITIVERSESAGA]

1:22 MADDDDDD2:42DDDDDDDDDDDD2:51DDDDDDD4:02 NAME OF SONG ITS 4:00MADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD FIRE

[@TheSpoicyCaramellito]

Why is wasp on the avengers in the captain Carter universe???? Later in the episode they mention banner, meaning hulk is in the universe. So who is the wasp exactly? Janet or Hope? From the looks of that team it's currently Ironman Thor Black widow Hawkeye Captain Carter And the Wasp I hope they address that situation

[@microscopic.caterpill]

Hulk never became Hulk without Captain America. Wasp was originally suppose to be an avenger

[@jnmks]

wasp is part of the pym family, which is part of shield. so they just recruited wasp because she already has her own abilities

[@matheussandbakk9959]

@@microscopic.caterpillYou mean trying to recreate the Super Soldier Serum? Well wouldn’t the same happen with Captain Carter instead of Captain America as it would still be someone trying to recreate the Super Soldier Serum

[@varric]

Captain Carter being a woman probably helped the feminist movement in this universe.

[@JohnKeithHensgens-ve9sb]

I enjoy seeing strong female characters, but I don’t enjoy how every man in the series that is in an episode with a female as the protagonist is weak.

[@MNAvenger]

Me too. The one thing I hate more than the damsel in distress character is the guy being incompetent just because, you know, the strong woman archetype.

[@thatonedude977]

Name me one male in this that's weak

[@SirsasthNigam.]

no it's not She did gain powers but she mastered it to some extent by interacting with Sky World , while she can make portals , her telekinesis and reflexes are weaker than the tribe

[@jackhummer8344]

That is literally not the case. In this very episode she was saved by men.

[@NS-xx1ze]

It's a spanish colonizer not Thor... she also gets saved by the tribe at the end

[@matiasramonsanchez9361]

¿Vos, osais amenazarme a mi? ¿En mi propia corte?

[@fernandafortes3782]

Who is this Spanish queen, one of King Philip's II daughters ?

[@characatogamer7859]

supuestamente es isabel la catolica, pero con la ropa y apariencia de isabel de inglaterra.

[@MalosiVA]

SUPREME STRANGE VS ODIN?

[@Masterahsoka]

Strange

[@g_g_g3]

That representation seems to only exist for minorities, compared to the native tribe where everyone is represented with appropriate clothing and native voice casting and from the area of ​​the episode, in the Spanish there was not even a Spanish casting, the characters The main characters are a Mexican and a Colombian, the clothing looks like that of Elizabeth Tudor from England and the appearance is not consistent at all, since Elizabeth the Catholic was a blonde with blue eyes, not a brunette with brown eyes. Marvel and Disney selling moralistic discourses of good representation and inclusion with minorities and then go to hell with white societies because what difference does it make to underrepresented white societies if we don't go with them? to lose money? Spreading lies and misinformation, keeping the black legend hiding the most genocidal culture, the British one, and putting the hispanic kindong with lies. Shame.

[@sunnyahsan5443]

If Strange took Kahhori from that moment, does anyone from her tribe have the ability to teleport like her? Or they are in so much trouble.

[@jackoconnor5590]

Well well Carolina Ravassa Sombra from Overwatch herself is Queen Isabella.

[@Infamous41]

I love this show!!!

[@thephenomenalprotect1onbryan]

This scene shows to protect against the politic rulers and fight the poverty, corrupt people and turned for the better future. Kahhori was a true rebel of any Era.

[@navarog378]

I liked the episode, but it's literally wakanda 3: return of the noble savage cliche

[@characatogamer7859]

and the evil spaniards attack 2

[@xDiamondAce]

season 2 4/10 so far. what's going on????? i was hyped for this season so much

[@SirsasthNigam.]

No it's 6th ep but the channel just merged it with 5th ep

[@zeusofolimpus3559]

Por españaaaa

[@SirsasthNigam.]

Stop putting previous eps in today 's ep

[@boi7316]

Marvel has 3 speedsters now (I think)

[@jorgecabezas1966]

The mohawk people were from north or south?

[@benwater6403]

The North

[@limdennis813]

Imagine if Kahhori is Echo/Maya Lopez's ancestor from another universe becuz both of them are Native Americans Fun fact: 1)This episode is the 2nd episode which had doctor strange supreme cameo appeared at the end of episode since season 1 episode 8 2)The voice actress of Kahhori(Devery Jacobs) will portray Bonnie(Echo/Maya Lopez's cousin) in the upcoming Echo TV series

[@luisonamora6694]

Empiezo a creer que capitana carter fue enviada al universo donde los vengadores estan en 1602 Y que kaori tambien esta en este universo nose solo lo digo me puedo equivocar

[@g_g_g3]

Shame putting Isabel L Catolica as villian when she was the only power woman to think in the native human rights, shame, its like putting Hitler as a hero...oh well Captain Carten with the britain flag saving Kahori hahahaha

[@Veridiano02]

But shouldn't that be an aztec rather than north america native? Or those soldiers british? Or is this world diferent somehow, and the spanish discovered North america instead of south america? Since this is a What if maybe history is changed, so I don't know.

[@doctorslayer2106]

Are they Speaking the Mohawk Language?

[@Angelo-yr1en]

Yes

[@coffesaurus5399]

entonces no tiene sentido xD

[@varric]

Marvel worked with the Mohawk to make this episode. Some even voiced secondary characters.

[@platernreggin6292]

sleepy episode

[@darnesss7777]

🤡🤡🤡

[@baronsamedi7659]

Huh a new and original Native American superhero that's a good cold female nice I like her my knowledge of Native American superheros is extremely limited I only know three Thunderbird (mutant), Warpath (mutant), and Hellhawk (Ghost Rider)

[@vishakshetty4005]

What if: carter☠️ Mcu :carter died against wanda like nothing🤡

[@G1Grimlock94]

A savages with the power of the tesseract

[@waterhorsee]

Pretty cringe dude

[@KhairulNizam-qt7oc]

Supreme Strange searching her with a reason..

[@inquisitorofthegodemperor8434]

What does that make you brokie?

[@comteraffayn8351]

You don't look very civilized yourself tbf

[@thecoffeemaker7444]

Another woke shit

[@user-ul8xu8sk5i]

@@Dookiejiggler Anything short of loud praise for white straight Christian men is considered "woke" by the alt-mob.

[@benzorecords]

@@Dookiejigglerleave him alone he doesn’t know what he’s doing

[@user-rj1tp8dp7g]

Но в конце-концов всех вырезали)

[@bb9a]

Whats with the comments?

[@bryanthernandez9769]

The Spanish people have a good accent it’s like they hire real Spain actors

[@Cobalt1520]

You clearly aren't Spanish.

[@bryanthernandez9769]

@@Cobalt1520 buddy I’m Puerto Rican obviously I’m not spanish

[@Cobalt1520]

@@bryanthernandez9769 they have very obvious English accent.

[@ultimateme3049]

​@@Cobalt1520eh a few of them do sound Spanish, but I guess they are just fluent English speakers, so props to them I guess.

[@microscopic.caterpill]

@@Cobalt1520You’re a colonizer don’t get the taste flying out dat mouth

[@joshinthesauce4636]

Great episode. The only gripe I have is that they should’ve included more scenes of herI training her newfound powers.

[@danhibiki3359]

Instant expert female characters are Disney staple

[@yogeshkanwaria632]

yeah lady trone😊...i dig it..

[@AKTopRank]

WooooooW

[@brtt1159]

jajajaja vaya películas se montan los yanquis

[@mightyleonard7600]

Not to go on another anti-woke rant but this is getting old. This content would be more entertaining if everything wasn’t a broken woman who has an overly aggressive manner. I don’t understand why Disney is literally driving their company into the ground because all the writers have an extreme overarching sense of pride.

[@user-ul8xu8sk5i]

🥱

[@Jerry_Levon]

Night wolf sister

[@bvillafuerte765]

They encouraged her to fight against the Spanish because she wouldn’t have been able to win against the English.

[@Saruman5000]

Sooo, in 2012 Avengers movie, Loki beat the shit out of Steve And here Peggy one shotted Loki. Well...

[@SirsasthNigam.]

no Steve and Tony captured Loki in first meeting

[@Akash-ng7ue]

M she u

[@Saruman5000]

@@SirsasthNigam. It was Tony who beat him. Steve barely did any damage to Loki.

[@SirsasthNigam.]

@@Akash-ng7ue Native American Superheroines like Echo exist in comics and MCU , she debuted in Hawkeye and now has a series telling her past,portrayed by Alaqua Cox , a Native American, Kahhori is voiced by ,Devery Jacobs ,Native American, there is even freaking Wendigo that fought Wolverine in comics, you don't know anything about comics

[@locle478]

girls power can beat everything

[@AshParth560]

Dont care what haters say, this is just cool and the What If...? Series is one of the best. 😎

[@Minnow_mann]

i like the premise and the idea is really cool, i just think she could’ve been a bit more fleshed out a bit more and maybe could’ve shown her being naturaly gifted but not given all her powers and shown her in her full potential in the span of a day.

[@CatolynThomas]

Kahhori is me on a different Earth 🌎 On this Earth 🌎 I am known as Clea Strange 🧙‍♀️💙💜 The Sorceress Supreme

[@midnighteye2737]

Funny how there's a Christopher Columbus day, yet this triggers people. 🤦

[@FernandoRamos-ec6bv]

Kahhori needs a movie.

[@jimmyphelps8141]

Que orgullo, ARRIBA ESPAÑA Y VIVA EL GENERALISIMO.

[@NoahM.Angell-sd4ez]

I love you so much

[@arobin6695]

why didnt the spanish people get powers by going through the lake?

[@senoresquina1715]

Bad writting.

[@SuperboyLilly]

They were subdued before there powers could even manifest.

[@arobin6695]

@@SuperboyLilly did they die? arent they going to have these same powers?

[@SuperboyLilly]

@@arobin6695 I don't know if Kahhori actually killed them, I just know they were apprehended before they could manifest powers.