Space Engineers - S1E52 'Ice Mining Base & Automatic Derrick'

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[@R33F3RMONSTER]

since you had all the resources and built the thing and positioned it, I'd say that's not cheating. Keep up the great work man, love the content.

[@Patricio4Christ]

I would think so.

[@Liberty_Bull]

Oh hell yea glad to see someone got some good use out of my derricks. I wish I thought a little more about making it projectable when I created it, I probably could have made it work with merge blocks where you would just need to unmerge and press "attach" on the rotors. I do think spawning and deleting the resources required is a good solution.

[@flusterfluff]

Cheaty? No. Lazy? Yes. And I find that HILARIOUS.

[@jacyjohnson8636]

Just saying I personally would be ok with you spawning those drill rigs in and deleting the total resources it takes to make them

[@rick_zim]

Same!

[@doomdave475]

What about making his own, with PBs its very easy, and he can make them as big as he wants. (until Lord Clang arrives of course)

[@The_Digital_Samurai]

Same

[@ClimberD-tn3xl]

You can also just "build" them off camera 😂

[@Mkananoja]

i dont know how it would work on you, but i often do combined welding/grinding ships where ship has 2 cokpits, facing opposite directions, one side for grinding, other side for welding. not the most elegant but have no need to swap components to change ship purphose.

[@derrickrexman3824]

Awww u named it after me?

[@carlmoats8673]

I think you should change the ice miners color to a light blue that matches closely with the color of the ice what camouflage

[@Daemonworks]

amongst many other things, i really hope they eventually decide to make printing things from blueprints work properly regarding subgrids, etc... too much hoop-jumping.

[@doomdave475]

That would only be possible, if the rotorheads themselves projected it, and then, you still would loose the timer setup, in my opinion drill rig scripts are the way to go, since they are easy to build, and are only limited, by Lord Clang itself.

[@Daemonworks]

Or if, as I said, they change it to do what it obviously should do.

[@doomdave475]

It’s easy to say, programming something like that would be a nightmare, if even possible, not even talking about small to large grid connections, the fact that they are even in the game is a miracle. The difficulty of making subgrids printable, would be comparable to purging Lord Clang from the game.

[@fangmindalas6040]

I understand just spawning it in for programing purposes, I would recommend a mod though, docking camera. For both grid sizes I believe. Its a block that clips a camera into your connecters from on side of it. And you can change which side you place it on so your controls don't get inverted on you. I find the like tomorrow after work and add it

[@netherkat]

Do whatcha want, bud... it's your channel! Also, fantastic series... is helping me a lot with ideas! :) On a side note, I cannot get the derrick to work at all... drill breaks every time because it extends too fast... maybe? Either creative or survival, customized rig or not (I keep the AI Core because I am lazy too). Anyone else have this issue? And if you did fix it, how? I have been scratching my head for a couple of days now, and have run out of ideas.

[@TheKojiOyama]

was a good episode. talking while your building is fun, I like some of the jokes you make and hearing complain about how things look. also at the end, no worries about copying the derrick in, programing blocks are a super pain. you did that the most honest way possible and paid the time and resources need to have it anyway,

[@andybrown4284]

For a soft reset you'd have to excavate the holes or at least the important ones like the moonbase complex. Projector not supporting multiple grids is reason enough to use creative to spawn in blueprints.

[@jaymiddleton772]

The only thing wrong with using creative mode to spawn in an object and delete another is the fact that you needed to in the first place. Not being able to project multi-grid blue prints is poor form on Keen's part. They have been making some amazing improvements lately but still many things, like projector, that is half done.

[@JoaoMartins-qc4oh]

Make a ship that has a 3d printer inside so you can print your new mining rig a fly to a palce where you can drop it

[@ScorpiusZA.]

I am fine with the drill rig spawning. In fact, what I would do is calculate exactly what each rig costs - consign those materials to oblivion and spawn in as many rigs as the destroyed materials costs. I am fully for the time saved.

[@somedude1771]

It's actually a great opportunity to clean up too for that soft reset. Take blueprints of your ships and bases. Then just manually paste them into a new world if you have to. There might be a better way though to update it.

[@doomdave475]

The problem is that he would have to redig the holes, and that would take ages, and those contract are not worth it, I thing he shoudn’t reset, just continue this

[@atomicrc5189]

Hey man I’ll admit....if watching videos counts as putting hours onto the game (because I don’t have a good enough laptop to run it >~>) I’ve put about 4 years worth of watching videos about this game on my life ;w; but by far your one of the best you tubers out there because you don’t have annoying music in the background and your voice flows smoothly and your vids are relaxing to watch

[@Zamolxes77]

22:30 Put a generator vertically, with the connectors up. Then put one engine the way you had, connecting to side connector A of O-Gen, then a 2nd engine on top, connecting to O-Gen top connector, then hook up the O-Gen through side connector B to the network. You had it at 23:05 ! Or even nicer, 2 engines standing up, on both sides of the O-Gen and hook up the O-Gen through the top to the network - you have the space, 3 blocks high. However, this is only an ice storage facility right, you will haul the ice, not the hydrogen, so you only need power to run your lights and conveyors, maybe a drill and charge your drones (which could be done on the auto-miners). Since you plan to do a win farm, that's all you need, no engines and no O-Gens.

[@nowthatscrazy]

Would you mind posting a list of mods you're using in the playthrough?

[@D3moknight]

@Kanajashi when you were splitting the ice by hand to each O2 generator, you could have just pulled the whole chunk of ice out and dropped it into one of the connectors on top of your base and the O2 gens would pull it equally automatically.

[@Tiberius3969]

By the way kanajashi did you ever make ammo for the big cannons at the base because what's the point of having them if they can't shoot? And I like the idea that instead of a big static base you could have a big ship with the capabilities of a base

[@herchmagicheps5404]

I really enjoy the space engineers series. Keep it up your content is great!

[@STSWB5SG1FAN]

I would think the developers would construct a feature in the game so that you could make a design directly as a build print. Star Made had this a while back (don't know if they kept this feature) with their Shipyard blocks. You could design a ship or vehicle, using the advance design tools (just like creative mode) only it would be built as just a design. You could then load your design into a projector and use a wielding ship or wielding pit to construct it. Anyway I'd think it would be a nice feature to have, and it would get around this issue of "cheating" in survival mode.

[@CrazyDutchguys]

I remember you could also straight up buy a blueprinted ship and it would just spawn in as long as you had the credits, havent played the game since 2014 though

[@SpaceEngineerErich]

I think you could make blueprints of the subgrids, slap projectors onto the main grid, set their projection positioning and then save the entire grid in that configuration. That way when you build the main grid, the projectors on it will project the subgrids once they are built.

[@agoddamnferret]

Dude, you should set your projector to only project things that are weldable so you know what's next

[@Bigrignohio]

I agree that, as long as you delete an equivalent build, spawning in the programmed mining platform is not a bad thing. Edit: Will sorters allow h2 through, or will all your drones need to be atmo only?

[@Ragecaek]

Sorters can be very odd, from my testing they allow gas flow one way through the sorter, although I've had odd occurrences where the h2/o2 have back flowed through sorters. This might be my fault though for having an amazingly convoluted conveyor network on my station (I have 3 separate networks running the full length of the station, one for ore intake, one for ingots and one for components.)

[@Skellitor301_VA]

He did say the drones will fuel themselves from the mining dereks, so my guess is they're going to be hydros

[@Madmax23419]

You only have to look up the names form the pistons, rotors and drill in the original grid and rename them in your new grid, you don't need to look into the program/timer blocks.

[@strex2062]

50:26 Come on, this is part of the fun

[@ottodeluxe]

Man, you perfectly showcase why I sometimes resent all those nice designs on the workshop. Roughly 95% of all BPs are just not survival friendly, and while cool things are nice and all in creative, you just have no reason to build most of them. The whole subgrid deal ruins the workshop, sadly. Still waiting for a mod that works roughly like Empyrion's BP Builder, now that would be useful

[@_DaneB_]

Is it really necessary to do a soft reset to enable the new features? Or were you wanting to start over because you’ve already accomplished your goals for this current series and you’d like to start fresh? On the plus side, it would improve the game’s performance and loading times and it would make the game challenging again since you won’t have as many resources.

[@vexile12]

As long as you remove the components needed to make the derick to equalize the experience its not cheating Edit: another great video yay

[@buzbom1]

As far as being a little cheating near the end..... I plead the Sgt. Schultz...I SEE NOTHING, I KNOW NOTHING!! Great vid, I just built a uranium base on the first asteroid that sits in the 0.09 grav area above my Earth planet. Just off to the side a dozen or so kliks away is an ice asteroid large enough for a drill platform. This gives me some ideas. Thanx for your time n work putting these out. Cheers ✌😎👍

[@ichduersiees4508]

great work. maybe the episodes are a little bit too long :) is there any way to view all you subscribed blueprints in the workshop? i'd really like to use some drones but dont know which are good and which are rubbish

[@mikewhitaker2880]

lol... if ya need a base destroyed.. i have a heavy cruiser needing a maiden voyage... "might need a few extra mods though to make it work.... also.. that battery on the derrick serves 2 functions.. first its there to prime the hydro engine.. second it is backup power...

[@Dagonius.]

Booh! Cheater! Just kidding. Do what you want. We're watching! 😉

[@Cad1s]

finally got caught up lol just spent 4 days straight watching your space engineers playthrough lol as for what The overmind said he is completely right

[@brokemage1395]

Have you tried splitsie's and his survival series?

[@swiftbow2110]

Always giving me some good ideas on my builds. Thanks man.

[@coweim3803]

Love the videos, but i dislike the idea of destroying your work. maybe you could just have the contracts as a sub-series styled like you became a fledgling Space Merchant who completes odd jobs to work towards building a Merchant empire. (I know that the sub series idea is not likely but i think it would be cool as you could include other people as other allied merchants or competitor merchants or even non AI Space pirates)

[@Bondubras]

It's probably quite obvious that I have absolutely no issues with your build-delete-paste thing. I was the one who mentioned that technique on your previous video. Incidentally, were you able to look at the ships I linked in my last reply on that thread?

[@FILOdeathlord]

You should just modify the bp to have that bottom rotor flipped over and already programed in the blocks it would make it easier to mass produce just add a leg, piston, and drill no more attaching to roll the clang dice

[@Kanajashi]

I'm planning on mapping out all the timer blocks and their loops on a piece of paper so i can recreate this from scratch in a different form.

[@FretAndForget]

You make some Awesome builds!

[@Automator_2]

What if you use multiple projectors to also project the sub grits in the right place and weld everything together. can that work and do you want to try it out? Just a idea

[@UMB694]

I'm down with the idea

[@iguana7979]

How did you comment a day ago?!?!?!?

[@drahcirtmd3924]

@@iguana7979 Time travel. Coming in the next Space Engineers update. Or the previous one... temporal mechanics.

[@derrickrexman3824]

Lol says 1 day ago when i click on it to reply says 2 days ago

[@iguana7979]

(Muffled) good they don’t know about my powers

[@UMB694]

Lol I'm special that's why @iguana

[@HeeroYuy911]

In all honesty all the work you have been putting into this series it would be a waste to see it all end just so you can make way for contracts. Personally I like the idea of contracts but if destroying everything near enough just for the sake of a few npc contracts then I will lose interest.

[@jonathancole3149]

He could spawn his bases, ships and a few scrap ships for salvage. Maybe one of each type of scrap ships for salvage.

[@drahcirtmd3924]

You're builds are impressive, sir. I wish I had the same nack for such things. Maybe I'll get better as my series goes on. Awesome stuff! Keep it up. ^_^

[@elementalblaze79]

You might need to half the rotor speed & double the time needed per rotation for it to work better(ie: less banging)

[@Skellitor301_VA]

He'd then have to resync the timer blocks to the new rotor speed so the pistons will extend at the proper times. So that would in fact make the build worse and nonfunctional

[@BookofHolyH2O]

the soft reset idea sound really good!

[@Gremlin4498]

Offt, sneaky but it did give me a giggle

[@hunnybunnysheavymetalmusic6542]

SIMPLE!!! BUILD YOUR BASE AT THE POLE! (~_^)-b

[@Skellitor301_VA]

It's not so much renaming objects that will help due to the nature of time blocks. Infact it has nothing to do with naming any component of the vessel, it's all action groups tied directly to individual blocks, so removing and replacing blocks will never work unless you go in and tell each timer block that's missing blocks in it's commands what the new block is. I do not give you any grief for using creative tools for this since doing it legit will require you to know exactly how each timer block works.

[@novagaming226]

Why can't you project subgrids in survival? Is there some limitation of the game that prevents them from doing it?

[@Hirshhorn323]

Why Europa? Its Fobos or Deimos, no?

[@agoddamnferret]

what would be nice is if his shield mod and re-entry heat mod were more compatible and the shield would drain as the heat went up but the heat would drop

[@Kvshman]

Is the mining rig modded or scripted? Or I can use em vanilla?

[@bloodyjack7878]

Also make a base on the alien planet for uranium to.

[@warroxs]

I thought there is no uranium on planets ? :o

[@spacemonster505]

wonder could you make the whole unit into a flying drone land mine

[@samljer]

Why not just save the blueprint with the bottom, having to reattach a rotor seems ridiculous in this situation?

[@chancereindl3494]

Hey Kana you should get the sleep mod it’s really useful

[@tohpingtiang4878]

I don't thrust you enough to lend you my ship

[@tripleaffirmative5p]

Nobody: Power from ice: what is this thing you call thermodynamics?

[@danielnagle3320]

Cheaty? Maybe. Lazy? Absolutely! However, what if you were to make a large cargo container, deposit all of the material it would take, and then missile it up with the Dromendary? Sort of like paying a small material cost penalty. Not a huge loss, and could be entertaining... but hey man, it's your game, play it how you want. I'll keep watching. :)

[@ravenfirelight7849]

I don't think it's cheating but you need to fix the shield on your ship when you're printing out the Dereck you can clearly see that he's in a shield when the ship is meters away from him

[@Squilo81]

Awsome xD

[@d3-eltathetrueabyssalgod764]

N-ice

[@bourne1012]

It's sad hearing about your server plans knowing how it actually turned out. I hope you just go back to a single or group survival game. Your videos and commentary is great.

[@jacobtaylor2888]

I say if you escape with a ship. You escape with that biggest one you have, but its damaged

[@Skellitor301_VA]

He does have a damaged blueprint of the ship he "found" :P

[@__mk_km__]

You cheated one whole corner light on that drill! But seriously, its probably okay if you do that. Although you could just split this blueprint into its subgrids and then build the whole thing using multiple projectors. I am not sure if rotors/pistons and their heads can connect if they are on the same grid, but you could give it a try. Probably too hard, but I dunno, I just like automation

[@Skellitor301_VA]

the issue is the way timer blocks work, they are tied to the specific blocks you program them to so if you replace the blocks it won't work, it is still looking for the original block that's tied to the commands. This is why when you replace stuff on your ships you have to regroup and resetup your action groups in your cockpit

[@__mk_km__]

@@Skellitor301_VA Won't it work if your block's names are the same though?

[@Skellitor301_VA]

@@__mk_km__ Nope, it's per block, names don't matter. As I mentioned this is why grouping and cockpit keys stop working when you replace parts. i.e. a group of blast doors, any door that needs to be replaced will have to be readded to the group. Same concept with timer blocks. Think of each block you place having its own unique id that any controller uses to reference a command to. The name and the id are different

[@arcadealchemist]

why are you mining in CREATIVE MODE? that's like paying for your drinks at a casino

[@marcusw86]

You need one medbay and cryo just incase.

[@edwarddesposito4476]

I don't think I would want to watch someone adjusting timers if they are not already familiar with the rig. It's fair to paste in a preprogrammed model if you already built it.

[@Scug_Gaming]

Hey for your ice minding deric whould you like for me to make it one please and send it to you?

[@bloodyjack7878]

Hey u cinda did what I said by marketing a base on each planet or moons or an outpost

[@omg-vert]

HACKZOR! ;-)

[@cypress1337]

Unweld, hehe.

[@freezingdragon6850]

it's ok

[@3DRC-707]

I'll be selfish and say I wish you went through the bullshit on camera so I could learn from your frustration. However i have 0 issue, whatsoever deleting equivalent time and resources by build by hand, delete, replace. 👍

[@shinyredduck8185]

Hi

[@Scug_Gaming]

Hey for your ice minding deric whould you like for me to make it one pleace and send it to you?

[@doomdave475]

what do you mean, by in one piece?

[@Scug_Gaming]

I mean meet block it together

[@doomdave475]

oh, with merge blocks?

[@KerberLeo]

cheetah

[@StyxRiverGynoid]

Don't see how it's cheating. You already built the bugger, you didn't gain resources.. And it isn't lazy, it's just optimization :)

[@mrgiles2093]

Dude you should use pam script to make automatic minning ships that go out to mine and come back to deposit and back out to mine and back again it's a awesome script

[@Ragecaek]

Oh agreed, PAM is by far the single best damned script on the workshop. It's basically turned my survival world into a creative world with more welding :P Combine the mining aspect with a staging freighter and automated shuttles to move the ore back to base and you have a basically infinite supply of materials with minimal setup

[@Paxin45]

I Dont think it was cheating. You Just didnt want to waste hours with figuring out what is named how etc. :D

[@Skellitor301_VA]

More like replacing commands in each timer block, considering how timer blocks work

[@chriskleinert8688]

The build thing and don't complete it and the anbrich and it flies im the same about that

[@victorsykes5334]

Just a technicality. You didn't cheat. IMHO

[@warroxs]

53 ? :'(

[@Kanajashi]

It's out now!

[@warroxs]

@@Kanajashi* - * !!, i love your SE lets play :)))

[@antwarior]

Wasn't cheating bro, i know how long these things take, believe me takes hours so i don't blame you at all

[@TheCaptDude]

When you spawn stuff in because you don't want to do the work....That it is fine. When you are making a video on your progress...and you spawn something in to benefit your progress...Meh. Don't care. My issue with your content is that you have soo many mods to automate most of what you do. It is just not my play style. I like to automate things in a vanilla setting. But. Kudos to you for bringing content of this game. I did have an issue with you just spawning it in. It is cheating. But. Who cares. It is your video series. I just wish you had actually tried to overcome this with actually playing the game that is space engineers...Engineers solve problems. Engineers create.Engineers evolve. Engineers blow themselves up from time to time....Your video series is not being a space engineer, IMO. It is being a Space engineer content creator. Yes. It is very different. But. I appreciate the content.

[@dooku186]

I'm not mad. But I do think it's cheaty. Totally would have been okay with you pasting in the original, copying all the missing component names, and then deleting the pasted one.

[@TheLukemcdaniel]

Do I consider it cheaty? Kinda. It's an acceptable amount of cheaty. You're not cheating in resources, just time. and it's time you'd likely be cutting out of the video anyway cause it'd be boring to watch.

[@AtomicKing74]

Not cheaty at all

[@kovimilu7769]

I think it is cheating, tho i am okay with it :)