Kang vs Doctor Doom in Avengers 5 & Doctor Strange 3 Plot Details Set Up Two Part Secret Wars Event?

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-Music by KindaCulty - Video Intro Edited by KindaCulty

[@KindaCulty]

Alright so I'm sure it won't come as a surprise that it took me a while to finish this one to cover every angle & theory I could think of to help breakdown all the reports regarding all the Kang/Doom stuff, & what the rest of Phase 5 & Phase 6 could look like if any of this is true. So yeah I hope you guys like it, & definitely me know your own thoughts & theories on all this in the comments.

[@JEMurl]

Happy birthday TTBoy!

[@IXSymbioticxTrevXI2019]

Here's my prediction: They have Kang Dynasty in 2026, Secret Wars Part I in 2027 and Part II in 2028.

[@tristanoneal9037]

Yeah that actually seems legjt

[@deanlewis6109]

Loki absolutely set up for him to fill the Molecule Man role in Secret Wars. All Marvel need to do is find a way for Doom to connect with him. Maybe Doom tries to make a deal with Loki to save his mom instead of Mephisto like in the comics. Loki says no and Doom somehow takes the power for himself. Boom. Secret Wars.

[@booziebadazz1692]

It was all green when he formed igdrasil

[@mockingjay4776]

I see this as a possibility. It would be a way for him to get the powers he needs, and it will also allow them to reset Loki to be reborn, and Chris' Thor, if they ever decide to revive the Asgardians like in the comics. Would be a way for Marvel to recast immortal characters and still keep it real.

[@marcusyates3044]

The Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom, I'm still aching to see the MCU's/Disney's take on them...

[@mauropedrosa7317]

I agree, especially now that they know they have to deliver something great for the OG fans. The people haven’t been vibing with the product that much, but I still have faith

[@NickelSack79]

They’ll ruin it. I’m sure an amazing black, lesbian or fat chick, if not all above, will dominate.

[@booziebadazz1692]

@@mauropedrosa7317the marvels was a fantastic indication of what to come

[@timhaldane7588]

This is LITERALLY the theory I've been pushing!! That Dr. Doom is basically the dark horse villain of the saga, and he is indispensable in defeating Kang, only to then usurp his power and reset the multiverse with himself at the center.

[@TheChzburger]

They could even go the route of using the Fox Doctor Doom, since he is famous for stealing the power cosmic from the Silver Surfer. "Hey Doom, remember that thing you did back in 2007? Well, we need you to do it again...but you have to promise you won't double cross us!"

[@Dubzero946]

​@@TheChzburgerlol. That Doom was ass bro 😂

[@TheChzburger]

@@Dubzero946 so were more than half of the Fox X-Men but they're bringing most them back 🤷‍♂️

[@Dubzero946]

@@TheChzburger yeah but its Doom bro. They gotta find someone better the Christian Troy from Nip Tuck 🤣🤦🏻‍♂️

[@trevorfultz]

This is the video I’ve been waiting for! Thanks Tay!

[@jackcapellini113]

The problem with pivoting away from Kang at this point in the saga is that it seems like Marvel wanted to set him up to take the role of Doctor Doom as the creator and ruler of Battleworld in Secret Wars. Given the Beyonder Kang rumor from last year, it also seems like Marvel wanted Kang to become the MCU’s version of the Beyonder. So I think Kang was being set up to be a big deal. Pivoting over to Doom at this point in time would potentially make this saga feel even more messy than it already is. It would also make all of Kang’s setup from Loki and Quantamania feel…awkward. If Doom were going to have a big role in Secret Wars, I think we would have gotten him and a new Fantastic Four team by now. We probably would have gotten them alongside Kang in Phase 4. But as it stands, there’s no setup for Doom to be a big villain, and the next Fantastic Four movie isn’t coming out until mid-Phase 5. I don’t think there’s enough time to make Doom the new big bad. I think two best things for Marvel to do are recast Kang and move forward with their current plans for him, or reduce his role slightly instead of completely pivoting from him.

[@gammafrost]

I agree with mostly everything you said but the recasting of Kang. Majors deserves to stay in the role. They just need to hire quality writers and to make him more menacing. I feel like Doom can be introduced in the fantastic four but shouldn’t be the main villain until after phase 6.

[@matteoromero5410]

@@gammafrostLoki did great I say give the mcu over to the brothers who wrote all of Loki

[@Unknown_-bt8uv]

What would make the most sense would be to make Rama Tut the villain in the new FF movie and when Rama Tut flees Egypt and ends up in a time storm (just like the comics) he encounters Doom who inspires his Scarlet Centurion persona and that's way you are showing Kang & building the story of how his prominent variants came to be & how the council of Kangs was formed. Thanos wasn't built up I never felt that way he was just teased in what felt like forever so I definitely disagree with the premise that Doom needs to be teased before being introduced except for in the fashion of meeting Kang. So now he's on screen so he can be talked about in a Kingpin kind of way from the Daredevil series make his presence felt give him meaningful screen time so when Secret Wars premieres he takes the reigns and the movie ends without Beyonder Kang or Doom necessarily losing or winning clearly so that these Titans are huge threats to not just their realities but all realities. Nothing ever ends in the comics so we don't need these characters to die and never be seen again all the time

[@Unknown_-bt8uv]

Oh sorry I missed where you said recast Kang I think that'd be the worst thing they can do he's literally the brightest spot of the new phase and one of its best characters I don't see anyone bringing the character to life like he has and a similar situation is going on with the actor that played Namor who I also thought was great in his role. Ezra Miller is a terrible actor and person with awful allegations against him but still got a big check for a terrible movie. Kang hasn't been the issue he's resonated very well with fans minus the racist people who've already convicted him for just being with a white woman smh because from the details I remember even if Majors was guilty is a man taking his phone back from a woman he no longer has interest in make him abusive because her finger was allegedly injured? He's only abusive if he broke her finger intentionally to get back his phone smh

[@BibleAlivePresentations]

For those who "argue" that Doom needs an PAINSTAKINGLY ESTABLISHED, LONG AND DRAWN OUT ONSCREEN BACKSTORY in order to be done correctly, help me out here... By the end of the first act of STAR WARS (later called "EPISODE FOUR"), Darth Vader was already established as the greatest villain in the history of cinema. Throughout the movie we learn only two things about him: he was a jedi trained by Kenobi and a friend of Luke's dad who betrayed and killed him. We didn't even hear on screen the word "SITH." Please! Enough with this sorry excuse for logic. 25 second well-executed scene where Doom WIPES OUT G'iah or Captain Marvel or Sentry is all that's needed to establish Doom as the biggest of big bads. Marvel can dole out piecemeal his origins in subsequent films through flashbacks. And Doom can live to fight another day after SECRET WARS, because that's how great a villain he is and "everything lives."

[@milestejano2672]

Love your videos, hope you're doing well man

[@trevorfultz]

I feel like to pivot to Dr Doom, they’d need to properly set him in in end of Phase 5 and throughout Phase 6. Not a whole movie’s worth but enough scenes here and there so that we KNOW he has a presence on certain events globally and maybe even cosmically. Otherwise Avengers 5 having him defeating Kang and pivoting to him as the main villain for Secret Wars would feel more like a Doom movie than a Kang Dynasty movie. Having him come out of nowhere and defeat Kang at the end would also just not sit right. Either way, if they do incorporate Doom, I hope they don’t rid themselves of him in Secret Wars. He deserves to be the “big bad” for the third Saga. Even if the Avengers thwart his plans in Secret Wars, that’s fine, just don’t kill him off. Honestly, having a pissed off Doom intent on revenge sounds PERFECT for a Mutant/X Saga.

[@elite_echo]

just got sick with a shit cold this morning. This just made my day so much better. Great timing as always Tay, can’t wait to hear all your thoughts in this vid

[@ogundiyamedia]

Well, remember, Johnathan Majors' character Kang the Conqueror stated in the Ant Man and the Wasp movie "Do you reallize what I had to give up?" In many ways, that statement could be foreshadowing supporting the maximum use of Kang and Doom in the MCU. Kang gives up his universe of control so that Doom gets the means to save the multiverse in the end. We shall see that which happens in the end. However, we need to see both Kang and Doom survive.

[@markanderson7236]

You're right. Marvel has been setting up the Infinity Stones, not Thanos specifically, over the 10 years. 21:10

[@jackcapellini113]

Instead of Kang, I think Doctor Doom was originally intended to be the big bad of the next couple phases of the MCU after Phase 3. Being how Marvel is doing a Secret Wars film that will almost certainly have elements of Jonathan Hickman’s Incursion Saga, I think it’s a safe bet to assume that Doom would have been the main villain of the film. As for how the multiverse story was going to play out, I think it would have pulled heavily from the Jonathan Hickman comic, to the point where it would be a close adaptation. I suspect that the Beyonders would have been responsible for all of the incursions happening across the multiverse. Doctor Doom would have attempted to stop them from destroying the fabric of existence. However, unlike him teaming up with Molecule Man in the 2015 comic, Doom would have used the Scarlet Witch in his plan to destroy the Beyonders. Much like in the Children’s Crusade storyline, Doom would have been after Wanda’s powers, and would manipulate her into siding with him, promising her something in return. Then when the time came for him to carry out his plan, Doom would have weaponized Wanda and turned her into a multiversal bomb to destroy the Beyonders and steal their powers for himself. Right as the multiverse dies, Doom would have used the Beyonders’ and Wanda’s powers to create Battleworld and rule over it as a god. An interesting thing to note is that back in 2022, Multiverse of Madness writer Micheal Waldron revealed that Marvel briefly considered having the Scarlet Witch be the villain of an Avengers film before he decided it would be better for her to be the villain of Doctor Strange 2. This is interesting as both her and Doom share a connection in the Children’s Crusade comics. So I wonder if Marvel was planning to have her retreat into exile after being defeated by the Avengers, and be manipulated by Doctor Doom while in exile. Unlike his role in the Multiverse Saga, Kang would have played a much smaller role as a Loki or Ultron-like threat: someone who would serve as a side threat and a catalyst for the introduction of the real big bad. However, once Jonathan Majors came aboard, Marvel was so impressed with his acting range that they decided to make him the big bad of the next few phases. They also saw the potential for an interesting, personal story involving Kang wanting to be better than his other variants, and doing anything to transcend their imperfections, including becoming a god over the multiverse. At least for now, I think Marvel’s endgame for Kang is to make him the Prime Kang who defeats his variants and creates Battleworld. Based on how Endgame handled quantum time travel, I believe Kang was also perfectly suited to be a multiversal time traveler, which probably made it easier for Marvel to include him in their Incursion Saga adaptation. Seeing as how Kang was now the big bad, Marvel decided to bump up his role as a villain and give him the “multiversal savior” role that Doctor Doom originally had. As a result, Doom’s role was reduced in the saga. Marvel also replaced the Beyonders with the Council of Kangs as the source of the multiversal chaos. However, given all of the legal issues with Jonathan Majors and the overall restructuring of their lineup, I could see Marvel reducing Kang’s role and revisiting their initial plan for Doctor Doom.

[@booziebadazz1692]

Here’s hoping for a faithful adaptation of the big one ! 🍻

[@paulsanford7211]

Thanks!

[@nerdwatch1017]

I feel the Doom post credit scene in Wakanda Forever could have worked coming first setting up what’s to come then have the long tribute scene for Black Panther/Chadwick Bozeman

[@deanlewis6109]

Been waiting for this since season 2 of Loki ended.

[@KindaCulty]

I know dude I'm sorry, with everything that's come out this month this vid is overdue for sure

[@deanlewis6109]

@@KindaCulty I wasn't complaining. I just knew it would be a good one.

[@juniorhurtado1477]

so close to 100k

[@milessherman2236]

Hyped

[@xxForgottenx]

I'm just waiting for Loki and Wanda to come back. Two of the best characters in The MCU and Marvel benches them.

[@gammafrost]

Yeah I don’t buy that statement that Wanda is dead. She deserves her own trilogy of films and she’s definitely supposed to be a major player during secret wars.

[@ZyliceLiddell]

😭

[@docalvee]

ohohoho new video

[@dannypalin9583]

A lot of these "leakers" don't realise how much they're convoluting the narrative. Two examples: Some have said that Secret Wars is about the TVA rebelling against Kang and rallying a team of multiversal Avengers to save every reality. Tobey Maguire and Hugh Jackman are apparently the main stars. Is it bad that I can see Marvel banking on the pure fanservice of Spider-Man and Wolverine meeting up with each other in a movie? Then the same leakers are saying that Doctor Strange and Kang are on par with Iron Man and Thanos in this saga. Apparently, every reality has a variant of Strange and Kang, and Doomsday occurs in every reality. Either one of them is at fault for it. The leaks feel like they're throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks.

[@TheSandbox_Official]

Another great video, Tay! Curious which Kang variant you could see them throwing into Shang-Chi 2. Are there any obvious variants that would make sense? I’d imagine they’d need to be a martial arts threat, right? We saw a bit of Kang the Conqueror’s physical prowess in Quantumania’s final showdown which excited me for this inevitable matchup!

[@YoungAimes]

Love these videos, thanks Tay! I really hope they introduce Doom & have him be the main villain of secret wars. Since he’s such a huge part of it in the comics it’s hard for me to imagine them doing the MCU version without him plus I think it could be some crazy awesome phenomenal story telling

[@mohammedjammeh9598]

As much as I want to see Doctor Doom in THE MULTIVERSE SAGA, I'm not ready to see Marvel move away from Kang The Conqueror. I hope Marvel sticks to the Kang storyline.

[@BlackSquall13]

What we neeeeeeeeeeeded.

[@rejachemno]

Although, we only got hints of Thanos, we saw villains like Ronan, Loki and Nebula during the leadup to IW. Cant say the same with Kang

[@matthewwillis-lawrence3798]

We’ve gotten hints of possible doom in antman 2 (the benefactor) and in moon knight. This phase has been sloppy with the forced narratives and covid throwing a wrench in everything though

[@markanderson7236]

22:08 👍👍👍

[@TerrellAustin19941]

Awesome

[@mikelowrey1910]

Yessssss finallyyyyyy

[@kingnineprince]

Yes, Thanos barely showed up in the MCU before Infinity War, and that's why I believe that there should have been a pre-Infinity War movie that focused solely on him. It could have been called Thanos: Quest, or something similar, to highlight how and why he came to want to collect all the Infinity Stones, because we didn't really get his whole motive and reason (yes, he had a brief conversation with Doctor Strange on Titan, but that was barely touching the surface) for doing so. That way, the Infinity Saga would have ended with 3 movies: Thanos: Quest (he shows up 95%-99% of the time and in the end maybe part of the Avengers show up), Infinity War (by now we would have seen him collecting the Mind Stone/sceptre and the Power Stone; both him and the Avengers get a similar amount of screen time) and Endgame (where it's mostly about the Avengers, like the actual movie did and quite well). Because people seem to forget that, by the time of the first Avengers movie, he already has the Mind Stone, that is on the sceptre that Loki borrows from him to help with the invasion in New York, using the Chitauri army! So, how did Thanos get the sceptre/Mind Stone? And by the time Thanos and his army arrive at the Asgardian ship that has Thor, Loki, Hulk and everyone else that survived Ragnarok, he also has the Power Stone, that he took from Xandar, but we didn't see him do it. It'd have been great to actually see Thanos collect ALL the stones, but we actually only see him collect 4 out of 6: Space, Time, Mind and Soul. You might think that's more than enough, but I'm just saying it'd be better if we saw him collect all.

[@bizzybrown8372]

Timeline bill only covers everything up to phase four . I think that’s an indicator that they are keeping Kang as he would be the tool that creates the scenario for multiversal and time travel hijinx . We are getting incursions but I doubt we get time travel without Kang . The Avengers won’t do it again as that would be wack. They did it already and we got the Loki series. Kang is going nowhere but it’s highly possible we are getting Doom soon and he might participate in Secret Wars . Versions of him have to show up Secret Wars because of the mechanics established . There has to be future and past versions of Doom from other timelines and universes for his later appearance to make sense

[@Unknown_-bt8uv]

FF is the perfect opportunity to have Rama Tut a variant of Kang as the villain and have him meet Doom which inspires his Scarlet Centurion persona I mean it's so easy but they're making it difficult

[@stevejames7930]

Hey Tay, great video! I've heard a rumour that the films/shows that release between Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars could all take place on Battleworld, and be a short phase together. If that's the case, what projects do you think would fit in? Personally, I could imagine a Spider-Man 5 where Peter gets the symbiote on Battleworld like in the comics, or a Fantastic 4 sequel with God King Doom as the main villain, or a Scarlet Witch movie with Ian McKellen's Magneto, or even a Black Panther 3 where Wakanda is competing with various other factions on Battleworld.

[@KindaCulty]

Thanks Steve, this will be a fun question to discuss

[@OrchidAmateur]

Cillian Murphy would be perfect Dr Doom

[@MeerkatTeeth]

Hey man loved your response in the last video! Following up with a 2 parter. If we're assuming that Marvel is indeed going to pivot to Dr. Doom it seems to me like Scarlet Witch would be a good stand-in for the Molekule Man in the comics as she is really the only character that has the same kind of abilities he does and I would highly doubt they would introduce him at this point. This would be a great way to adapt some of the plot of Children's Crusade where Dr. Doom and Scarlett Witch get married. Adapting the plot to where Scarlett Witch is the one going around with Dr. Doom destroying universes trying to prevent the incursions. I know there have been alot of rumors about a project adapting elements of Children's Crusade. Just wondering what your thoughts are on this. Also despite you hesitancy about what I said about Loki I still think it makes alot of sense even given his redemption arc. Even with this character development it makes sense to me that Loki would start a religion i.e. black swans to go around destroying universes. His new role as "custodian of the multiverse" or whatever you want to call it puts him in a position to figure out the inevitable collapse of the multiverse first. Do you think it's possible certain elements of Hickman's time runs out and secret wars could be split between Loki and Dr. Doom since the time to build up Dr. Doom is somewhat limited. Sorry for the extremely long question, love all your videos.

[@KindaCulty]

Thanks Meerkat, & no worries on the long question. I'm in no position to complain about things being too long!

[@AlohaJade808]

What’s your take on how Loki will return or is this Loki’s end just to sit in the three of stories forever?

[@chefartiebucco22]

I firmly believe that Arthur Harrow got the scarab from Doom.

[@miguelh4750]

Daniel Richtman is now echoing my original intel by reporting that Raimi is indeed one of the top contenders to helm 'Secret Wars,' and that he might actually be directing both 'Avengers' movies, set for 2026 and 2027.

[@bizzybrown5701]

I have to state fir the people in the back LOKI IS ONLY MAINTAINING THE 616. Kate Harron and Mike Waldren explained this . Loki allowing the branches to grow they will become bridges to the wider multiverse to the alternate universes where the other Kangs reside aka universes like the 838 or the Fox universe . I know its not clear to alot of people yet based on what peopel are saying in videos and comments . Again Kate herron and mike Waldren have told us whats really going on in plain words very clear aftwr Loki season 1. Remember no incursions in Loki . Very important . Look at the chrono monitors . They are only observing the 616 singularity and its infinite timeline branches . Not the universes stacked on top of one another as shown in Loki season 1 and in Kangs demonstration to Janet.

[@ianwhitehead4172]

the Jonathan Majors contract scoop was from The Weekly Planet Podcast from their Hot Scoop or Hot shot of Poop section

[@stevejames7930]

I think Kang for Avengers 5 (Time runs out) and Doom for Avengers 6 (Battleworld) is the ideal option

[@patrickhughes4914]

At this point, I don't think they have time to properly build up Doom before secret wars. I still can't believe that iron man, captain America and black widow are all gone and the fantastic four hasn't even been introduced yet.

[@ZyliceLiddell]

Whatever you do Marvel, don’t let Loki’s power up moment be in vain! 😢💚

[@LE-mx6yv]

Completely agree Secret wars is not secret wars without Dr Doom! Hopefully Marvel can do it right..

[@LiarLiair]

Hey Tay! It's Aaron, Happy Belated Birthday and thanks for the great content as usual. Thanks for your patience with reading the long questions, much respect from nerd to nerd! So: 1. What kind of role will cosmic & supernatural projects like Blade, Eternals 2, Doctor Strange 3, and possibly World War Hulk will play in the road to Secret Wars? Will they even have enough time to set those films up, especially since some of them aren't officially confirmed? 2. Do you think you think we will eventually get the MCU 616 version of the X-Men? We know how they are bringing back the Fox X-Men and giving them a proper send off, but do you think Feige will just keep the Fox characters around after Secret Wars? Or will they possibly merge Fox X-Men and 616 X-Men after the Multiverse Saga? Let me know what you think, thanks Tay!!

[@KindaCulty]

Thanks Aaron! And yeah usually you're questions are fun ones to talk about - so it works out well

[@ryancardwell9086]

I like your take on Doom and Kang. I think Doom should be the one to defeat Kang and ultimately should be the main in secret wars!

[@SpottyDalmatianGaming]

I like your prediction

[@gammafrost]

Dude he just uploaded. You haven’t even heard it yet 🙄🙄🙄

[@sillyj7732]

Wait wait wait. What if Doom kills Loki and that's how he creates battle world? By taking Lokis throne

[@ZyliceLiddell]

Loki: the ultimate scapegoat and soon to be martyr probably.

[@timhaldane7588]

Personally, I'm hoping for a Doom appearance at the end of Captain America NWO where he is revealed to be the one orchestrating all the political strife and supersoldier experiments on Earth, and says that this was all in service of preparing the world for the battle to come, implying that he knows about Kang.

[@hitboyyy3232]

Watching at 2:30 am

[@sonkocyrille3203]

Unless there is a phase 7 there is no way they can make that kang/doom transition easy

[@dankusoonyt7473]

With Jonathan Majors no longer with Marvel following his trial & the rename of Avengers 5, the plan for Kang fighting Doctor Strange may not happen now.

[@felchmcleanofficial]

I think there's a doctor doom in the universe from which the Illuminati from Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of madness" he could be the one from that universe that probly be the villain of Secret Wars,.. realizing his only challenge from that universe was just spaghettified by the Scarlet Witch...

[@RobinS1223]

Imagine Doom and all his variants

[@TomCarnivore]

Lets goooo

[@gammafrost]

As cool as I would like to see a Kang vs Doom in an avengers movie, it’s too early to make Doom a big villain. Aside that, does anybody else find it weird that dr strange 3 might not have dormamu as the main villain in the movie despite it being centered around the dark dimension ? I also hope they keep Kang despite how badly they’ve used him in ant man.

[@danielshottopics8187]

The Trial of Kang the Conqueror November 29th 2023.

[@IlikePeaches-ve2cv]

Isnt that Caslte Poenari in Moonknight? Thats Draculas castle.

[@Djpiglatin187]

The case against him is compelling. We’ve seen the last of him in the mcu

[@mysterio7807]

I disagree with the Thanos part. They made us feel his presence through the Infinity Saga until they fully featured the character in a movie.

[@jasonrowe3784]

I really hope they stick with Kang and where that storyline is going! If they have to recast Kang my favourite for the role would be David John Washington? I

[@sillyj7732]

Theory: Doom shows up in fan 4 to introduce him and asks Reed for his help. Then Kang dynasty is a war between them and Kang where doom wins.

[@sillyj7732]

And doom winning creates battle world for secret wars

[@mikelowrey1910]

Doesn’t it make the most sense where we are now in the MCU for the council of kangs to be the culprit responsible for the collapse of the Multiverse and battle world as a result?

[@BibleAlivePresentations]

Do me a favor? Cite me one official statement from Kevin Feige (or anybody at Marvel Studios/Disney) that says Kang is the ultimate villain and the greatest villain of the Multiverse saga. It can’t be done because it doesn’t exist. What did Feige say? He said that Kang was the NEXT big villain as we were going into Phase V-that is right! That’s what Kang was! Just like at the beginning of Phase II, Feige said the NEXT big villain would be Ultron. And Ultron was that! But Ultron wasn’t the ultimate or greatest villain of the infinity Saga! That was Thanos. See? So what you have is a bunch of people in social media-and a lot more KZbin creators and BS insiders-who jumped to conclusions based on what they THOUGHT Feige said. And they still hold this with dogmatic certainty. "It is obvious!” Except it isn’t. This is how spurious familiarity works. If I am wrong, full of it? Okay. Prove it. Produce the official Marvel Studios statement that Kang was the ULTIMATE and GREATEST big bad of the Multiverse Saga and SECRET WARS. It should be effortless. Go for it.

[@user-mh6is8xy6h]

Hey kindaculty, I've asked this question to a few KZbin videos about marvel and Loki but could you do a video and answer this question, who is Loki's real mother??? And did Odin already know everything back then when he found Loki. Did Odin go to stop the frost giants or did he go to get Loki as a baby to change his Future so he doesn't grow up being raised by frost giants cause he knew how powerful Loki would become???

[@danielshottopics8187]

But I Got to say if The Multiverse Saga Ends with Avengers Secret Wars in 2027 or I Think it Might Be Delayed to 2028 or Possibly 2029 This is Disturbing because the Multiverse Saga is Incredible and it Should Continue.

[@njabuloqwabe5770]

The TVA is misguided. The multiverse is not a Kang problem. It's an incursion problem. Kang wins. Targeting Kang just means someone else wins hence Secret Wars.

[@EddieParker-lb3vi]

At the end of Wanda Forever, Namor hinted Dr. Doom appearance when he told his servant The Black Panther ( Shiri) will need his help!! That's in reference to Doom!! In the comics, Doom Invaded Wanda because he thought T' Challa was out of the picture & Shuri was a ruler. With the actor who played Black Panther is truly decease & his placement sister Shuri is OUT of the country away from throne ( I don't blame, every member of her fam dies after 2 on stream appearance with her father having the least..alive that is & she having the most) it's easy picking for Doom to come take all he wants!!

[@damiensefton9210]

I think from what Disney represent and their influence over the MCU that Johnathan Majors may not come back from this trial regardless if he wins, look what happened to Johnny Depp.

[@BibleAlivePresentations]

For those who "argue" that Doom needs an PAINSTAKINGLY ESTABLISHED, LONG AND DRAWN OUT ONSCREEN BACKSTORY in order to be done correctly, help me out here... By the end of the first act of STAR WARS (later called "EPISODE FOUR"), Darth Vader was already established as the greatest villain in the history of cinema. Throughout the movie we learn only two things about him: he was a jedi trained by Kenobi and a friend of Luke's dad who betrayed and killed him. We didn't even hear on screen the word "SITH." Please! Enough with this sorry excuse for logic. 25 second well-executed scene where Doom WIPES OUT G'iah or Captain Marvel or Sentry is all that's needed to establish Doom as the biggest of big bads. Marvel can dole out piecemeal his origins in subsequent films through flashbacks. And Doom can live to fight another day after SECRET WARS, because that's how great a villain he is and "everything lives."

[@SSGTeenGohan]

Question for you since you make no mention of it in this video Tay!?! Wasn't Dr. Doom referenced in Moon Knight as well? He's clearly coming big brother! Celebrate lol 😅

[@timhaldane7588]

Not directly but there were some REALLY sly teases. The village and nearby castle are the spitting image of Doomstadt, and there's a shot of the ice cream boxes in the truck MK is driving where all you see of the company name is Von D.

[@SSGTeenGohan]

@@timhaldane7588 You are correct my friend but not only that but the boxes in the truck also spelled out Doom's name! Moon Knight was connected to Doom and Latveria through these cameos and it should not be ignored by our guy Tay! That's all I am saying. I pay attention LoL 🤣 The MCU is further along than some are willing to admit, that's all I'm saying.

[@SSGTeenGohan]

Just pay attention. I'm not bringing this up for no reason is all I'm saying lol

[@booziebadazz1692]

Maybe they’re in too deep and they should just ride it out and reset to a faithful adaptation, if that doesn’t work do secret wars 2 with GE Doom

[@kaidenlambert714]

They’re not dropping Kang at all, Jonathon majors is staying it is confirmed. Was also stated that dr doom will also be a CO-VILLIAN in Secret Wars. Look it up it’s Feigy plan to revive the MCU but dr doom was ALWAYS going to be a villain in secret wars

[@Dubzero946]

Source?

[@sebastiantorrealday7019]

Don't alter or change or cancel Don't cancel or fire kang fine make kang powerful and a threat

[@rbljrliveeventsvideoproduc5896]

They are sticking with Kang

[@kylesauvage9147]

Love content but that whole monopoly on the kang variant no. It's more that in the contract with marvel they can ask majors and will need majors to play multi kang characters, but its not the other way around, lol.

[@Silveralways1]

Instead of kang dynasty, we'll get doom rising.

[@NolaNerd]

Hey Tay. I used to go by NolaNerd. I've been working alot and not getting into KZbin lately, but I was like a small child just now when you posted ur video. I had genuine excitement like for real for real. I must say the MSheU, as it's been known as recently, has disappointed me over and over and over. I tried watching the Marvels and could not. It's been a travesty quite honestly. And the recent news has me very very skeptical with all of Kevin Femeige's the Fantastic Four is "too white" racist comments towards casting Reed Richards to be an emasculated male lead, delegated to a fumbling, bumbling, bad dad and husband that's estranged from his wife. That's not the Fantastic four to me at all.

[@oldbeezy]

No disrespect but there’s absolutely no way Doom will debut in a D+ like Ironheart. I would almost bank on it being Armor Wars or DS3. He’s too big to get shuffled into a D+ show that’s not likely to do big numbers (sorry Ironheart).

[@EddieParker-lb3vi]

Could Loki be The Beyonder?? He's pretty OP as if he is!! Doom ( with Kang's help ) steals Loki's power & 🖕🖕Kang in process. With a Vibrarium metal Armor ( he took from Wanda) he comforts Loki the All Powerful being able to endure the radiation Loki's power 🔋 gives off. The Battle comes so Immense it affects the 2 universes ( MCU & FOX Vers) it breaks apart Crumbling each other!! The victory goes the spoilers which Dr.Doom's 1st name Victor is reason why folks like him so much. He's definitely the greatest mortal villain since Lex Lurthor!!

[@jacksonjack7838]

I appreciate you giving us disclaimers of where you get the news and not and not saying its true and not wanting to be like Emergency Awesome or New Rockstars. They suck.

[@AMGTT]

It’s not hard next movie is kang the end of the movie lean into Doom like it’s not rocket science basically follow the comic book.

[@sodangeruss]

picture this … kang is the big bad the entire multiverse saga and the opening scene of secret wars, DOOM rips his spine out the way he does to Thanos in the comics! 💣

[@robertpaul6070]

Build kang up avengers lose doom out of nowhere wins against kang in credit scene

[@eddieterrell5457]

I heard about JM having a clause and marvel is sticking with kang. It would be dumb to go with doom now because he deserves the Thanos treatment! And Marvel isn’t putting quantumania on JM because he was the best part of the movie! All those marvel pivot rumors were said when majors 1st got arrested! People need to relax

[@Natta44]

Marvel needs to stop announcing movies years in adavnce. Its embarrassing that they keep pivoting and the fans then get dissappointed. Unless Marvel love the buzz they create but still, im sick of hearing change after change after change based on reactive real world events.

[@AxelordSMIJES]

There was a ton of things that were bad about Antman 3. Kang/Jonathan Majors was NOT one of them... this is due to the legal trouble pure and simple. I hope it blows over and he gets a shot to show us what he can do in a lead capacity as Kang. His He Who Remains and Victor Timely were some of my absolute favorite characters in Loki. "RIP, HWR?" - one of the best lines in any recent MCU project. I literally almost fell out of my chair. He was just so amazing as HWR.

[@dannypalin9583]

Kang in Ant Man 3 was cheesy. Jonathan Majors in that movie is on par with Ralph Fiennes as Voldemort in The Goblet of Fire. He's so over-the-top, it's laughable.

[@gatorcris]

Boop!

[@cammankingdom]

I like the marvels

[@gammafrost]

You’re in the minority. That movie was awful 😂😂. If she does get a third movie, I hope they actually get good writers.

[@underagreenstar]

The fact that people view Kang and Doom as easy to swap is the reason I have no respect for the MCU and its fanbase and just enjoy the comics these days.

[@jr4android]

The Marvels was awesome.

[@dustinbridges6831]

Why is Marvel changing all of the characters for a damn DEJ score? They are hemorrhaging money right now so you would think they would focus on good content instead of BS. I really want them to get back on track so bad..🤷🏻‍♂️

[@chillininthebasement]

What the fook is that person talking about? Multiverse of Madness almost made a billion!!!

[@caliber7840]

#FreeJonathanMajors #KeepJMasKANG #TeamMajors 🍏

[@titanmaximum239]

Kang certainly wasn't the reason Quantummania failed. It was boring with terrible writing. That being said, Kang is an ok character, but Dr. Doom is top tier.

[@JoseLopez-fh5sh]

Ok KANG WASNT THE WORST PART OF ANTMAN it was Janet vandine she was the focal point of the movie which was not interesting at all the movie revolved around her and her sex life with the creators in the quantum realm which was stupid KANG was the best part of the movie and having MODOK was good but the giant face killed that character and the story wasn’t strong enough the best teaser was that KANG was banned to the quantum realm from the other KANG variants didn’t need to see Cassie with a suit or rebel against law enforcement that was pointless didn’t need to see a rebellion in the quantum realm best part was KANG in ln live action

[@jr4android]

As much as people will hate it, Ms Marvel and She Hulk will be getting season 2 in phase 6 :) and Eternals 2 is happening

[@jonathanhadden7157]

You would really benefit from having a script. You're clearly unaware of how many times you repeat yourself and beat the same subject to death. Your "stream of consciousness" approach is highly unprofessional and does not serve you.

[@krisegg33]

Bro you talk incredibly slow 😂

[@alexcarfagno5681]

Kang is a boring and lackluster villian....not worthy....horrible