I Built a New Iron Rail Loop for Faster Transporting of Goods in Railroads Online!

Hey everyone and welcome back to more Railroads Online! Today we are taking a look at the new iron loop I built in Railroads Online! I was really tired of not having a quick way to get to and from the iron mine and decided to spend the time it takes to build a more gradual route on the opposite side of the iron mine valley that can still allow trains to pass all the way through!
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[@alexknj1]

Cooke getting stuck, getting helped by Betsy, and then Betsy getting loose and making it all the way down the mountain, only stopping when she ran out of water, sounds like a Thomas Episode.

[@theatlasv8633]

It kinda already is with that one episode where Percy runs away from Gordon in full reverse and goes up and down the big hill on the mainline and only stops when he slows down and goes into a pile of dirt. Im not sure what grade gordons hill is but Percy obviously slows down by the end so I can only assume he ran out of water.

[@infinitefray8067]

there was also a time where cranky accidentally fired a jet engine that Thomas was carrying and he only stopped when that thing ran out of jet fuel similar scenario

[@onlygaming69]

So weird how yall remember Thomas in such detail at ur age whatever it is... Use watch it still?

[@theatlasv8633]

@@onlygaming69 the early seasons yeah. The new stuff is just genric garbage thrown out to make a quick buck...

[@onlygaming69]

@@theatlasv8633 the seasons we/ i grew up with was the best, Thomas lowkey scares me now

[@battdriver7553]

You absolutely HAVE to recreate Betsy's full tilt ride down the mountain. Clearly she makes it at full tilt so record it and let us see!!!

[@Nevir202]

I concur, but it's also possible that riding it, he doesn't make it. A lot of games use simplified physics or paused physics for objects outside of player range. It's possible Betsy just froze when she got a certain distance from him, ran out of fuel while he was unloading, then just coasted down the hill as he descended. If so, he might have caught her if he hadn't derailed.

[@battdriver7553]

@@Nevir202 true..but how dare you argue my idea of roller coaster tycoon 2021

[@jantimmerby]

@@battdriver7553 lol

[@MegaSockenschuss]

Oh nice, I don't have to make this comment too. *We have to see it!*

[@nathanmaxon4692]

Blooper episode?!?

[@Franktamas]

Two things I would be so happy to see: If Betsy can do the 12 car 4% route. If you can run Betsy with full reg down the hill that she did alone.

[@seanward7797]

Dude the mogul can definitely make that, just clean up your curves so it doesn't lose so much momentum and create so much friction, then you'll be golden!

[@jonne3153]

My thoughts exactly, might look better but way too much friction because of those curves

[@ethanschmid4104]

Exactly!

[@davidwhiting1761]

A handy formula helps determine the amount of tractive effort you would need to make it over the grade: 20 x % of grade x tonnage (loco and cars) = tractive effort in lbf.

[@robertbalazslorincz8218]

Thanks

[@smipy]

Thanks

[@evandrennon3534]

Kan, you need to have an emergency Betsy at every location on the map so you never have to go far for help

[@evangroves641]

Yeah

[@DarkSolZero]

You should build your routes from the high ground and work down. It lets you get any gradient you want. I have the same type of loop, with 2 to 3% all the way, runs 24 cars with the Mogul in either direction. I got 1000 ore in my smelter this way.

[@nic2097]

Just incase you weren't thinking this, you should always hook up Betsy or the second train (that your using as a bit of extra humph) within one car (or right to the front loco, like you did) so you can easily get to it, and also you don't have the issues when you hook up a loco that pushes your carts instead of pulls. (I recommend just taking the Betsy from the beginning of your voyage or something else, idk. Your the genious)

[@robertmcgregor724]

Hey just a heads up, the water level you look at is the water level in the boiler. Where you fill the water is you reservoir, and you can actually fill your locomotives to go further.

[@jimaaman]

First person, 100% reg, Betsy run down the pass from the iron mine please! 😅 Also, could any of the other engines handle that without derailing? If so, could time trial each of them (no load of course)

[@apersunthathasaridiculousl1890]

8:48 it’s about speed, it’s about traction, are you ready, we’ll stay steady

[@jackrussellthevrgamer4209]

Bye the time I comment here, you’re still watching this video

[@Batooya]

Put in the sand, put in the water, and… go up the mountain? Damn i didnt think this one through. That doesnt rhyme.

[@TheWeigman]

Another historic practice railroads would do if they knew their locomotive couldn't take a full tonnage train up a grade was split their consist in half and run the two in "sections" up separately with the same loco. You were so close to the iron mine you could have split your string of cars, taken half up and unloaded them, put them on a siding/spur, and gone back for the rest of the train, and then reassemble your consist afterwards. The Rio Grande narrow gauge had to deal with a 4% grade up Cumbres Pass and would deliberately set out half of their consists on sidings and take separate halves one at a time to the summit. This was of course if a helper engine wasn't available, otherwise they would have had two engines head the train up from the very start. The Cooke moguls were used on the Denver, South Park and Pacific which definitely was a mountain railroad but they probably had more than one of them or other engines to help get up the grades or didnt assign them as heavy of a train to pull. Just my 2 cents :)

[@AgentWest]

Happened to be driving past a big shunt yard not long ago and noticed how the entire thing was on a slope. Taking a closer look i saw them putting together trains with just gravity by letting cars roll down from different lines into one. The noise was rather horrible (metal on metal grinding, banging, clanging, and such) but i figured the idea can be useful here if you ever build a shunt yard for mixed trains. Loco them up, let gravity roll them down.

[@rynodino7813]

You should just attach Betsy to the back of your tender so when you have these problems instead of running all the way back to a rail yard you already have it as a back up like how most modern trains run with two engines

[@schudder1623]

Put a porter 2 at the Iron mine station to drag stuck Trains up to the station

[@douglastaylor43]

Now you have to ride Betsy at full speed zero brake down the mountain runs.

[@Maxikxng]

I feel like then it will yeet itself into space

[@douglastaylor43]

@@Maxikxng will make a good video

[@HenryYang-2623]

25:47 Betsy Scream: Captain Cook, HELP ME! Kan, Save me! Ahhhhhhh!!! I have no driver Iamgoingtocrash.

[@VestedUTuber]

Look up the Tehachapi Loop. You need something like that in your line to pad out the distance and allow the track to climb at a shallower angle.

[@Pystro]

That's what I would have suggested. Either put a loop on that plateau right after the unfinished quad-stack bridge. Or in the ravine that the quad-stack bridge is supposed to cross go further to the right. That will also give you a longer rail line. If you go far enough, you could get close enough to the end of the ravine that a single-stacked bridge reaches the ground. Or you could get to a part that's narrow enough that a single span of bridge will reach the far end.

[@Thegamingrobot1358]

Stopping on the bridge cut your momentum I reckon if you went full reg non stop you would of been able to drag the train onto the flat or at least get further also sand is only used when wheel slip occurs it does not increase tractive effort (at least to my knowledge).

[@dustincoe4861]

the cylinder cocks can provide that little extra umph needed, they do actually work its what i use to get up some steep parts

[@Dozav7]

Fascinating. I hope Kan tests this!

[@andybaker2324]

I have found that for those sections that are too tall you can stand on the bridge and place one section at a time. stand right at the end and look nearly straight down, then it might let you do it. I had to do a bit like that in my world. annoying, but it worked. you cant turn the bridge either.

[@daveb.4383]

Very true

[@EtoileBleu52]

he can also make the grade go alot down and then after getting to near the end change the grade back?

[@codymilbourn827]

KAN: *Gets Betsy* KAN: *Jumps out of Captain Cooke* Capt. Cooke: *Brakes aply* Train Coupler: *Breaks* Betsy: "My job here is done" Betsy: *Leaves at 100% regulator* KAN: *Tries chasing Betsy* KAN: *Finds Betsy at the end of the 6% hill* KAN: "I honestly thought she derailed, and we missed her on the mountains" Betsy: *Loses all water on way down* Me: "I'm shocked that Betsy made it down that" Me *LMAO*

[@robertbalazslorincz8218]

You forgot the "SPOILER ALERT" message

[@PR1NC3]

Amazing movie script lets make unstoppable returns

[@thatonelad844]

You know if the game had realistic boiler physics he would have found a bunch of scrap with a number plate that read 1

[@christianjaymoralde7504]

I love how Kan is the one derailed

[@Dozav7]

@@thatonelad844 - nobody feeding the fire though

[@BreadGuy01]

Betsy is an absolute champ of a little engine. I hope in the upcoming videos you placed a Porter at each of the industry sites as a shunter/rescue engine.

[@Wack-o]

Betsy getting sent down the mountain at full regulator reminds me of when you and Kosmo tested the Eureka, and all the times he sent Betsy on its own.

[@brianlarsen9952]

I just finished my route to the coal mine. Super hyped to test it a few more times and pull some supplies up there

[@calebjackson6082]

Love your series! What if for your iron loop, instead of building a giant bridge across that ravine, you have the train follow the side of the mountains and curve back around to the other side? Sure, the route would be a lot longer, but if you build it following that mountain, you’ll have more track, which would allow for a less sloped route. If you keep the 2.5 or 3 percent curving around the mountain, you could probably get rid of the most of (if not all) the 4 percent grades, the Cooke mogul would have no problem at all getting to the iron mine.

[@Suckynewb]

They need to work on the scaling reverser for the geared trains, having some longer gears would fix the wheel slip issue and make them more usable as an all-around train.

[@Dozav7]

I love this. I was thinking about making the same second route and you did it!

[@gt_masterman]

Dont knowif someone told you already, but as far asi know the reverser not only determines the rotation direction of the steam engine but also how much the steam valves open. So for steep rail sections you need 100% but as soon as you get to a long, flat section, where you dont need much torque, you can bring down the reverser to conserve steam.

[@mew4ever23]

Betsy really is the little engine that could. Dayum

[@VestedUTuber]

Oh, just wait until the Baldwin Class 16-24/24 Mallet gets into the game. That thing's going to be a monster.

[@Old_Gunslinger_Wild_Bill]

how about they add UP big boi into game

[@VestedUTuber]

@@Old_Gunslinger_Wild_Bill That's a standard-gauge locomotive, this game is focused on narrow-gauge. Closest locomotive to the Big Boy that could be added (and is already planned) would be the Baldwin Class 20-28/28, which is a 2-8-8-2T.

[@Old_Gunslinger_Wild_Bill]

@@VestedUTuber oh i forgot it is was narrow gauge

[@martythemartian99]

Rather than build the big ravine viaduct, I kept turning right and followed the mountain ridge at 3% grade and maximum 20 degree turns. Made it to the mine and had to drop down during the last section. I'm only running Porter and Heisler right now, but hope to get a more conversational loco on the line as soon as I raise some cash.

[@robertbalazslorincz8218]

Conventional locomotive* *no salt just correcting some oopsies*

[@martythemartian99]

@@robertbalazslorincz8218 Could it be that I did not have my reading glasses on when using spellcheck? Or was it because I like to chat with my locomotives? ;D (pass the salt please)

[@easternwoyer3876]

Anyone else feel this episode seems straight out of Wilbert Audrys books (Thomas and friends)

[@alanabyss9246]

Yes oh my god

[@brianpopelka3165]

Now you have to ride betsey At full speed down the mountain to see how crazy it is

[@BananenJaeger]

I build 2 or 3 similarly sized (up to 4 layers) wood bridges for my constant 2% iron mine line. I do recommend beginning from the top (especially when your track has an incline). Standing in the valley makes it hard to see from where to where you want to go. It is difficult to space the bridges in the lower layers appropriately to each other and the layers above. And beginning from the bottom can results in unpleasant clipping or gaps between the layers of Bridges/Foundations, that are impossible to hide in the terrain or the stack not having the same height as the rails. I'd recommend filling the valley with a giant, makeshift stack of groundworks and then replacing them from the top with the bridge you want to build.

[@josephcox3958]

What if you left Betsy at the iron mine on a siding, and then when when you need her at that last bit of track, she’s right there and can pull you up the rest of the way?

[@dirkdieters5773]

Betsy: "I must go, my people need me"

[@GameMaster0025]

I love the new sheds and cabus now it time for a holiday train express

[@KomradeKD]

You should make a little shunt at the top of the hill specifically to store Betsy to tow trains if they get stalled

[@ernie3444]

good stuff - cant wait to see the next loco and the video on making that bridge.

[@dreamthyf]

Hahahahaha. When that engine derailed and stood on its nose I totally lost it.

[@hipzipper1]

I'm so glad you still post videos for this game. I've been watching you and Kosmo along with Kerbo trying to get some insight on routes. Like all your stuff for this game and the stuff you do on Scrap Mec. I have a young friend who loves your S.M. stuff. Keep it going!

[@hipzipper1]

P.S. I would love to be part of your crew sometime running logs or something. That would be fun.

[@Goofythings67]

Hello kan im exited for this episode thank you for your work and keep it up

[@atefxf]

WE NEED MORE OF THIS!! AAAAAAAAA happy holidays tho:)

[@LoPhatKao]

had a runaway coming from my iron mine as well, but it was switched to go down to smelter amazed it didn't derail before i caught it

[@cameroncool12]

Might be a good idea to leave Betsy at the iron mine as a switcher to pull trains up the last bit, also when Betsy took off down the mtn.... LMAO

[@TexasRailfan21-RailfanRyan]

Your train is dreading a tightrope over a ravine That's pretty cool

[@isaacxaviercirilo8383]

You should keep a Betsy station at the Iron mine or in areas with tough track in general(like a tow truck but for trains)

[@libra3655]

That was a pretty exciting adventure that went on there 🤣🤣 I'd definitely consider a siding with an engine that you keep on there exclusively for rescue efforts. That, or consider tying a second locomotive on the back and keeping it at low power and just double your tractive effort up the hill. After seeing a few of these videos I definitely want to find and download this game to see what I can possibly come up with for operations as well

[@figll]

Tip: start making the tracks from the top, u can lay 0-3% all the way down hill without risk of needing higher grades att the end(top, when starting at the bottom) :)

[@colossal3922]

btw, you can fill the tender more than what the water level says, look down into the tender and see if the water is at the top.

[@kadenbeegle8581]

You can create the position nodes on the ground by lowering the bridge grade, but as the grade is constant you can actually raise the grade back up after touching down on the ground, easy enough to get the bridge to cross the ravine and then you just build the foundation supports under the bridge.

[@Rema-hr6di]

Betsy. - '' Once a legend always a legend "

[@DonkenAndToivolaRR]

You might consider building a full loop before starting into the side of the hill. That gives more track length and hence either more height or less steep inclines. Just look up the circular viaduct of the town of Brusio in Switzerland.

[@japopo5533]

Smooth out the curves and you will definitely make it with the Cooke

[@CarhartKid]

I know I'm late to the party but, instead of running to get a pusher; you could "Double the Hill". When you get stuck come off with however many cars you can get moving. Then either set the empties over to another stub track or just keep reaching back and grabbing as many loads as you can move. Edit - Apply plenty of handbrakes on the cars you leave standing on the hill. That won't be as exciting as pushing but, it's a much more efficient use of your time.

[@MagicalPorkChop]

I'd love to see Betsy's adventure recreated. Then, how about creating the railway equivalent of a roller coaster? Big sweeps and dips - see which engine can stay on at the highest speed. Though, doesn't look like banked rails are a thing in this game (yet?).

[@matzvey4243]

My man you absolutely have to ride betsy down that line full reg no brakes till she runs out of watter! That has to be a freaky ride! Can't believe she made it.

[@QuorkQTar]

As always, thank you! Just a question: Why run home and get the other engine instead of splitting the train? You could have pulled the front half up, emptied it, coasted back and pull up the rest. IRL you'd have a station up there so you could return with the engine alone.

[@liljokerbro9478]

Hey kan, if you were wondering, there is a famous S bend over in Australia, well its more of a zig zag. it's a steam line that goes though some Mt's.

[@Ben-re8yu]

When your loading long trains solo, add bessy in the middle and only use it to shunt the train. Won't have to run to the front

[@pclassproductions228]

Is it just me or can anyone else see Thomas and Gordon's "You help me and I'll help you" dynamic with Betsy and Capt. Cooke?

[@tuusita]

Oh man! Can't wait for XMas episodes with todays update bringing snow. :D

[@gordovela9067]

I know that this vid is going to be good already

[@butterstick1205]

Yeah

[@apersunthathasaridiculousl1890]

cuz kAN

[@butterstick1205]

Well yeah

[@gordovela9067]

@@apersunthathasaridiculousl1890 of course his vids are great

[@spruce6323]

The reverser if kept at a lower level can increase power if the regulator is at full. The reverser increases the cut-off, higher cut-off means more speed less power. At full reverser, it's 75% loss meaning you use 25% of the steam going into the cylinders. A lower reverser level means you use more and waste less steam, an optimum percent is 25-35%.reverser.

[@devttyUSB0]

Imagine that dude down the lumber mill, loaded a train, seeing the driver of said train come running down the mountain, going back up with a small loc, and then that small loc come barreling down full reg no driver. :D

[@1982jeepcj8]

keep tunning that route, mine is 3% to 3.5% my cooke will pull 22 cars up it, although, I usually use a heisler or a class 70

[@joshyboy82]

If you fix those two turns by making them more gentle, the train can make it up. If you take Betsy up there without any cars and recreate her cannonball run so we can see it, that would also be great. Lettuce GO 🥬

[@horman1973]

Agreed - with both your points :D Let's see the Betsy Run :D

[@darkstone_official_2427]

You should take a couple Betsy's and haul them up to your distant places like the iron mine and make a mini-shunting yard for them so if you get stuck at the mine again then you don't have to run all the way back to base for a Betsy. You just run up the bridge and into the junction to grab a spare shunter and pull yourself back up, shunt it, then leave.

[@puffin_no23]

What about using the Capt. Cooke to first take 9 cars (6 beams and 3 planks) to the iron mine and do a second run with the remaining 3 wood cars and 4 (empty) iron cars. I think the loco could be up to that and you need the iron cars up there anyway. The speed at witch Iron gets produced should not be a problem either.

[@theflyingshunter]

I recommend if Betsy is need then try double heading the train I say this because when you have an engine pushing at the back, the rolling stock ends up derailing making a loss of trucks or freight And double heading the train removes that risk And this could also work with the trains when it's you, Kosmo & Dapper hauling

[@tautomer4484]

About the bridge. I think you should be able to place the bridge as long as the beginning and the end of the bridges foundation touches the ground. Even if most of it is in the air. I remember building one bridge like that, but it was some time ago, so they might have changed it

[@alexpym8216]

Best RR online content, don't change kan ❤️

[@dess8815]

yay i was so excited for this

[@ArinJager1]

Betsy: "FREEEDOOOOM!!!!!!" Betsy later: "I'm tired (and hungry, and thirsty), can I come home, now?" >:3

[@fishersilverado3082]

Hey kan, so just spitballing ideas lol, but what ya aught to do with the cooke is add a betsy to the consist. What i mean is put a betsy behind the cooke and put the freight behind the betsy, that way if cooke gets stuck or something, betsy will always be there just in case. Hope this idea helps : )

[@wazr_wtm]

Finally a new railroad ep

[@brianlarsen9952]

I leave 16 lumber cars up at the iron man and run 11 car beams 3 times. Smaller trains and a porter at the Iron mine makes it all easier. I then roll 100 iron down to the smelter. I also have cordwood cars there along with another porter there.

[@aaniketmishra]

You need to follow the mountain to the right and make like a horse shoe curve where the cross piece bridge is or make the route a little curvier.

[@Fr_Fa]

Add some flatte part in the way to the iron man could help to climb. event if u have a small steep part just after because flat part lower the pulling power needed when some cargo are on it.

[@goldfishwings]

You definitely need to make a video recreating Betsy's wild ride and just ride it to see how crazy it is!

[@qusayalawneh1963]

that was an interesting day for the sawmill workee

[@kc8pnd]

I think I started 2% up at the saw mill. Hug the mountain!

[@IamCozmic]

Since you know Betsy will make it down the mountain at full reg, you should send it so everyone can see how crazy it is.

[@brandonzhang760]

20:47 this had me laughing for a solid 10 minutes lmao

[@EA-wr2xg]

maybe you could have a climax or a porter as a banker at all of your big climbs? like make a siding next to the hills and such?

[@BadgerBishop]

I think you need more winding paths, so you can make more elevation with less grade. Also, I picked this up in the middle and went back and watched from the beginning. I'd love to see rail loops between each set of resources that are independent of the depot, but I understand you'd spend days IRL doing that and it's asking a lot.

[@AtkataffTheAlpha]

The little engine that could (Betsy) helped the stranded lumber train up the mountain (the Cooke Mogul that stalled)

[@Demonslayer20111]

Hahah i literally just built this exact route the other day at 3 percent. You have yo get a little wonky with a spiral on the big plateau but it does work. I went down from the mine at 3 and did a half spiral on the plateau to finish the descent at 20 degree radius

[@Chexmix6]

I didn't realize how small Betsy was! XD Betsy is the little engine that could (better than bigger engines).

[@jaunusender6166]

Welcome back again. A nice train ride to make it up to the angsty naysayers is exactly what the kAN Doctor ordered.

[@jaunusender6166]

You're so close, I'd say decouple the last 4 cars, take the 8 to start unloading, then loop around and pull the other 4 in backwards.

[@Aion1357]

Betsy is like“oh you're up I'm going lol”

[@megaredrc8547]

If you smooths out some of the sharp turns going up to the iron mine and the Captain Cook might be able to make it because it will maintain a bit more momentum

[@Yull-Rete]

I think that if you smooth your tight corners a bit, and don't stop on the bridge, you could make it up with this one. Also, ideally you brake trains from the back for much the same reason as you pull instead of pushing. Obviously that's hard to do when you're going solo, but if you have friends, having them ride on the back car to apply brakes might be a good plan.

[@NERDYCLUCH]

This was an amazing video, please make more Railroads Online.

[@NERDYCLUCH]

Also I can't believe Betsy made it.

[@daveb.4383]

The steel bridges will put support legs down to the bottom from that height! Heck, I have done them even higher, and they still touch the ground. By the way considering the amount of speed you lost on the climb with the Moguel until it finally came to a standstill you would have already been there with the geared Locomotive time wise. But yes, the Class 70 should handle it fine because I use the normal mountain route with it to the Iron Mine with 20 cars loaded and make it to the mine fine even with a 6% grade.

[@matttozer4706]

Betsy's a God, 100% Indestructible

[@berkshire4607]

Besty: Bye, have a great time.

[@hitom43]

You can follow the mountain line to avoid the big ravine drop.

[@emtiv5308]

Commenters or Kan: in the next video can you explain reverser, regulator, and well all the controls and what they do. I'm not dumb I just don't know anything about trains lol. Love the videos Kan!