Kansas City Is Trying to Reform Its Police Department, but Black People Keep Getting Killed

Protestors in Wisconsin are asking why officers who shot Jacob Blake couldn't de-escalate the situation before shooting him.
We embedded with the Kansas City Police Department to see whether or not training can lead to real change.
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[@margwagartha1726]

The lady who mistook Stacy Shaw is the type of person who runs on blind hate. There are too many of these types of people.

[@rosegold4129]

The most dangerous kind of hate in the US these days...

[@UltraK420]

Those kind of people don't know what critical thinking is. All they know is how to follow somebody else which means believing any kind of bullshit they say.

[@jerryremy2534]

you mean like every single liberal, democrat, blm supporter

[@bok..]

@@jerryremy2534 i mean you pretty much did the exact same thing.

[@chiefs816kc]

All she did was mistake who she was. That does not mean she hates the woman.

[@lindseyhendrix2405]

“Why do you want to disbar her?” “I see that she’s leading a mob usually, and trying to incite people to violence. NOW, these people are not. There was a lady over there that came out and said, no, this is going to be peaceful. I saw that.” “Yeah, that was Stacy Shaw.” “No, it wasn’t. It was the lady in the skirt over there, in yellow.” “Yeah, that’s Stacy Shaw.” 🙃🙃🙃

[@powderedtoastfacekillah734]

That’s typical of those bootlickers

[@ArashiKageTaro]

Her racism was proudly hanging out

[@caiofleury3924]

@@ArashiKageTaro That was hardly racist in of itself, ignorant definitely, but not racist.

[@maloneyr6309]

@@ArashiKageTaro that doesn't define as racism its just ignorants

[@maloneyr6309]

That doesn't make sense if she saw stacy on other occasions she would of recognize her instead of being blissfully ignorant and all protest dont become violent unless a driving force is put into it a protest in front of town hall would be drastically different then a protest in a city's slums, there are always factors and possibilities involved.

[@Bagerkirby]

The old lady who mistook stacy shaw just proves the amount of people who are running on pure racism and prejudice is higher than we realize

[@sandraray8523]

Agree!

[@weich1q2w]

How did you manage to go from what she said to she is being racist? When in that interview did she say the black lady is inferior to white people? O right never

[@gangamjr]

@@weich1q2w Went right over you bro

[@Sirikazy]

How? Can you explain how to take that conclusion?

[@hamcrazy96]

@Bagerkirby yup it's just a lot more subtle today and people won't admit it if you confront them

[@artiecon97]

The union president said that no amount of training can prepare you for having a gun pointed at you. How do he think a person feels when a cop draws a gun on them when they are unarmed?

[@artiecon97]

@rocknroller1999 Jonathan Price was complying, was a Blue Lives Matter supporter and tried to introduce himself to the officer before he was shot dead. Ryan Whitaker was trying to put his gun on the ground and was shot from behind from less than a foot. Shot less than 5 seconds after opening his door in the middle of the night. They played “Simon Says” and gave conflicting and confusing orders to a Daniel Shaver before shot him. How about Justine Damond? Botham Jean? Tony Timpa?

[@artiecon97]

@rocknroller1999 people comply all the time but get beat because they don’t do it fast enough or the cop just wants to assert his dominance. George Robinson, 62 was beat to death because he didn’t get out of the car fast enough due to complications from a past stroke. The three officers involved slammed him head first and hit and kicked him in the head and chest. While under investigation, 2 were allowed to leave and be rehired and the other one remained employed. After a year and a half of walking around and serving with a firearm for another police department, the 3 officers have finally been charged in Robinson’s death.

[@jacobs3671]

The point is, mistake are made, bad cops exist, but you have to put things into perspective: The amount of interactions compared to the amount actually unjust incidents. And then realize that perfection isn’t possible but the media only focuses on the Failures

[@artiecon97]

@@jacobs3671 but all it takes is one bad cop in a police department to have people lose trust in the whole department. If a department has a cop that is known to be aggressive, escalates situations, and has multiple complaints against him, it can make some in the community fear that they’ll have a bad interaction anytime they get stopped

[@artiecon97]

@@jacobs3671 one example of a department I have no trust in is Aurora PD in Colorado. Officer Nathan Meier was found in uniform, with a firearm, passed out drunk behind the wheel of his patrol car. The responding officers did such a bad job securing the scene and processing evidence that the DA said he couldn’t press charges. Aurora PD never fired Meier and he is still on the force today. Now any other job, if you are found passed out behind the wheel of a company vehicle you will get fired. In the most clear cut case for firing, Aurora PD wouldn’t do it and they also proved they cannot be trusted to investigate themselves. This handling of this one incident shows me that Aurora PD cannot hold themselves accountable and not be trusted.

[@VS-rg4by]

The woman who falsely accused Stacy Smith didn't even realize she herself was behaving exactly as she accused another.

[@VS-rg4by]

@Sabot thank you. Stacy Shaw not Stacy Smith.

[@cheatcharoninc172]

69th like noice

[@StevenMichaelCunningham]

She did. Known as psychopath.

[@kelciemckenney8975]

Phenomenal reporting. One issue not mentioned: Kansas City doesn't have local control of our Police Department. The Department reports to the state. One currently call from local activists is to bring KCPD control back to Kansas City. We have no control over our own department-and people are dying because of it.

[@calebcooks8497]

Facts

[@Christian-pw2xl]

The main reason that the City of Kansas City Missouri doesn't have control over their own police department is that this city government is both corrupt and incompetent, and is and always has been, and that has caused significant problems in the past when the city had control of the police department. The City of Kansas City Missouri does six things extremely well. 1) Steaks 2) BBQ 3) Feeding the poor and homeless when the Health Dept isn't pouring bleach on the food. 4) Issuing parking citations 5) Discouraging new and existing businesses 6) Corruption, mainly through new construction, especially concerning items that aren't necessary and don't benefit the majority of people living in the city.

[@user-ej4li1lt3d]

Defunding the police isn't the answer taking away their qualified immunity is

[@WanderingRationalist]

Reform, don’t destroy

[@TheFizzyGenie]

defunding means taking away their over militarized budget

[@WanderingRationalist]

Armando Andrés why not just end the 1033 program?

[@oscia3741]

There's still the police unions. Police need multiple reforms. And spending money preventing crime with social programs is more important than police.

[@WanderingRationalist]

Orteqa the Mammal I think you will always need police, even in a limited capacity.

[@maxxflame]

She should've offered for her to meet stacy shaw honestly

[@billDgundam817DFW]

I'm sure if she could she would have. At that moment Stacy was busy conducting a protest rally

[@newjeanskitchynicknamethat2258]

Police training should absolutely include psychology classes! Dude was like, "There are two kinds of people in the world: bad people and good people." No! No, there aren't. Humans are freaking complicated, and this kind of simplistic thinking is one of the main problems in policing. Another is a serious lack of self reflection (supported by regular assessment by experts, such as psychologists). A person in such a high pressure job, especially working with the public, should continually evaluate their own motivations, personal growth, and mental health, in addition to their professional development.

[@thugnastykathy]

what a great comment, i completely agree. psychology classes would also help in de escalating situations that don’t need any sort of force. that police’s comment put him in a box.

[@911mykid]

It does...

[@newjeanskitchynicknamethat2258]

@@911mykid When I was training to be a teacher, I received one semester of general psychology and one semester of child psychology, and it wasn't enough; we were taught more about "classroom management" than anything else. It's slightly heartening to hear that there is some psychology included in some police training. Definitely. Because there should be. But it's obvious that, nationwide, police training does not include training to relate to the people involved in each encounter that it generally should. The standard focus on control of, and authority over, the subject at hand, over the needs of the subject or situation, is inadequate at best.

[@JeantheSecond]

And thorough psychological evaluations before hiring.

[@danieltakawi9919]

Police Academies do offer some form of psychology classes but they're very minimal and very basic, and of course we don't know what exactly is being taught in those classes. And yes all officers should have the opportunity to see a psychologist / therapist. Being an officer really takes a toll on a person. And of course if there is unresolved anger or frustration, it may lead the officer to make wrong decisions in their next shift.

[@taylornicole7845]

Great interviewer didn't even have to ask many questions, just let them talk and the stupid come out

[@ev.c6]

😂

[@taylornicole7845]

@B Ray definitely not im Canadian lol

[@redpilledpatriot6868]

Please, stay your socialist ass in Canada.🤣

[@Virutosah]

Isobel Young is a great reporter, look at some of her other reports

[@redpilledpatriot6868]

@Georgiaboi 556 they're trying to clean up the city, that's literally their job.

[@coryddp7254]

Real world situational training should be based off how people actually would react when the police is there. Some countries don't allow their police to have guns and they seem to do a better job. If they only train for violent crimes then they're going to always assume that a certain part of the public is violent. Take some of the budget so they can investigate white-collar crimes which takes more money disproportionately from the city which actually increases crime.

[@cyclingzealot]

Hurray to more thoughtful and verbose comments! Indeed, the only way I see out of police accidentally killing people is less gun ownership. The more people own guns, the more the police will justify with "I thought he had a gun". 2nd amendment, as far as I understand, only pertains to organized militia, not individual ownership. As a Canadian and non-gun owner, am I bewildered by the notion that more guns makes us safer.

[@incipidsigninsetup]

@@cyclingzealot guns for gun nuts is like crack for crackhead. You can talk about all the negative realities of gun ownership and the truth about the intentions of the 3nd amendment, all bolstered by facts and data and they will never give up their guns. It is and always will be an emotional argument. Facts don't matter at all for these people.

[@Murphy82nd]

@@cyclingzealot your understanding is incorrect as of the Supreme Court case of D.C. vs. Heller. D.C. versus Heller acknowledges an individual right to self defense rather than that right being tied to membership in a militia. Now in fairness that court decision does also not say that the right is unlimited and allows states to establish limits.

[@lawnman3638]

@@incipidsigninsetup 2nd not 3nd

[@NURGLESBLESSING]

so 13 cops to dance around 1 shizo mf with a knife like in the uk?

[@arveenamiri1204]

Props to Vice for diving deep into both sides of the issue-rare form of journalism in today’s media outlets.

[@BuddhaC5]

When the girlfriend made the 911 call she states he had a gun.... did anyone else notice that point where she played a huge part in the death of a young man by falsifying information which lead to police believing he was an armed threat upon arrival

[@thedoge9590]

Exactly, everyone wants to blame the cop solely but he was given terrible information and the girlfriend really did play a direct role in what led to this outcome....

[@thanhiclez]

Exactly this. The GF totally knew what would happen by calling the cops and advising the BF had a gun.

[@Donetravlin]

That's why I came on to comment, I'm not saying the shoot was clean or ok I'm just saying that 911 call should be addressed.

[@mikeserrano734]

I Love Isobel Yeung. She gravitates to the sound of bullets.

[@mastersonogashira1796]

This is probably what everyone going into journalism think their future career is like

[@mikeserrano734]

@Alex H thats what she does. In every war shes there. And shes so famn cute. One Filipino Major was smitten by her while he was being interviewed and the bullers were whizzing, bombs dropping. Look it up, Vice Battle of Marawi.

[@Amazing_Mark]

Isobel Yeung is a legend.

[@joshcrane4107]

@@mikeserrano734 I'd be smitten too. Shes the reason I watch vice. lol.

[@mikeserrano734]

@@joshcrane4107 me too. Also Tifanny of NTD news. Check her out.

[@TheRahimpur]

I've been in the military. They are training them as if they are facing the enemy. They are not. They are ought to protect the population, not to fight against it. America? Definitely not my dream.....

[@TheRahimpur]

@Peter Goezinya that's another American problem- everyone has a gun. I've been in the Israeli military, I'm not an American. We don't have your crime rates. And as some one who held a rifle, I Know it awesome power and my responsibility while holding it. Police is made to protect and keep the law. How can it be that more than half of the prisoners on earth are in America? Maybe because the police is being issued to arrest and hurt, but not to protect and serve. Dude, even after having my fair share of real life experience, being in the Gaza wat of 2014, I still think that shooting is the absolute last resort after all other means have been put to use. It is just seems like the police in the us knows *only* to shoot. But not to police.

[@felixndayisdebologne9725]

@Peter Goezinya numbers belies you. I'm a US expat living in Italy where the mob is quite something but Italy has 55K prisoners for 62 millions people. France has 72k. Do the math

[@TheRahimpur]

@Peter Goezinya I agree that I can't say in the end of the day. I'm not an American. And I know that men and women of service are in the vast majority are in this line of work with the sense of duty. In a way, they are also the victims of overly violent society. Maybe it is the training of the police that could be done differently? I am a big believer of responsibility and accountability. If something is malfunctioning we aren't ought to seek for blame, but for solutions. But in the end of the day, I am not in a position to preach because it is not my society. I can't project my values Ina society which caring it's own set of values. Difficult time will pass. And things will get better. I send love to all Americans. And keep on having faith in the future

[@felixndayisdebologne9725]

@Peter Goezinya multiply by 5.5 to make the proportion. Italy 52%, France 57%. If you wanted to do math, the picture is bleaker. If you compare the EU with the USA . USA 655/100,000 EU 116/100,000 . See math is damning for the USA.

[@felixndayisdebologne9725]

@@TheRahimpur in America when it comes to black bodies, for the police shooting is the default position. Don't forget that in the USA police was born to repress the slaves and later the unruly Catholic and Jewish immigrants. Read the History of the Boston Police department founded in 1854. The culture didn't evolve much.

[@dancingbubbles1126]

"Why'd you attack me, dude?" He so said that for the camera.

[@wayner352]

Pifer needs to be in jail he killed a man in cold blood.

[@javierroman3759]

@@wayner352 It was justified. The cop was called on scene, they only gave a description of a man that was armed. the cop feared for his life, so he shot him. one bullet mind you. If anyone is to blame its the girlfriend

[@MsPeabody1231]

@@javierroman3759 No it's the policeman for shooting and killing a man.

[@Awsome17203]

The shooting was literally justified. If a RP calls saying someone has a gun and it’s a domestic violence which if you don’t know is the most dangerous call. If he doesn’t have the gun anymore or the RP lied how would he know?

[@brandonxsimmons]

Ghost Rider exactly, had nothing to do with color.

[@sid4752]

Education is the answer, kids.

[@8418421]

@Noiseless Sounds then who's gonna protest American?

[@bliblablubb9590]

@Noiseless Sounds So you crazy americans with more guns than taxpayers will now rely on a police force without money to train their officers, believe that this will make the officer kill less people? If I was an officer in a country, where every nutjob can more easily pay for a gun than medical treatment, I would fear to get shot at every occasion. No wonder all these officers prefer to take out their guns so fast.

[@reapthewhirlwind6915]

@Noiseless Sounds defund police ill keel ya with no consequence

[@reapthewhirlwind6915]

dont tread on me

[@Bri32675]

Blibla Blubb Defunding is the first step before reallocation. You cannot reallocate resources before defunding. It is as simple as stopping the money flowing to a useless protocol, training, etc. and outing it where it works. So, in other words money can continue to flow within the same police department.

[@ctrezzy11]

Dude really lied and said he attacked him..wow...

[@kennyc9662]

Are you really surprised?

[@LukaDonesnitch]

@@kennyc9662 No, just willfully ignorant of reality.

[@AnArmyOfFish]

God damn this karen has a whole damn petition for this lady, and can't tell black women apart. That interaction made me so mad.

[@savannahm.laurentian1286]

As an indigenous person of this continent, I've had more and seen more than my fair share of cops violence against citizens of color. But I still understand the dilemma they face. A cop was shot recently while trying to de-escalate.

[@truthmatterbyoladada1462]

By a whiteman.

[@mariad7262]

Truthmatter by Ola dada yeah be when it’s black on black it’s okay? That’s why your a hypocrite! It only matters when it’s a black cop but it’s okay for them to rob steal and terrorize bc someone owes them something? Foh

[@theveganbeast28]

That's their job. A soldier gets shot, its their job. A cop shouldn't sign up to give himself more protection but sign up to use himself as protection.

[@Mark-tf7kb]

Matthew T What the hell are you taking about? It’s a soldier’s job to get shot? No it’s their job to accomplish their mission w/o getting shot. No officer is going to sign up to get shot by a criminal. They give their lives to protect people

[@theveganbeast28]

@@Mark-tf7kb you can't "protect" someone that you shot in the back...

[@lakenpadilla7623]

Love when police act like you "tensing up" when youre getting your ass kicked by them is some sort of threat to them. Its called a natural response to fear. They need to take a biology class so they can learn about the fight or flight response your body goes through naturally in times of distress. Happy to see more officers being indicted for the crimes they commit.

[@ArthurWuYeah211]

In my state every high school student must take a 1 year course in Biology. Police are also put in a fearful and dangerous situation so we need to put this in perspective

[@faROCK03]

Poor kid, MR..... Didn't do anything and they treat a teenager like that. Breaking his teeth. I'm sure the police didn't pay to get that fixed

[@johnpathadan]

They were underage and driving without license.. Also they didn't stop the car when police asked them to

[@alexwhite3959]

@@johnpathadan He got out of the car and knelt down, putting his hands on his head. They handcuffed him and had him on his stomach, when they began to pick him up, and then Neil took his knee and slammed his head onto the ground, crushing him. I’m pretty sure that in no U.S. state is there a permission granted to torture someone like that for a traffic violation.

[@tomatopaste07]

“This is a picture of all my kids all together… when they where all still alive and happy”

[@cirithduath7526]

It's heart braking.

[@ErickUtley]

I am white and I am disgusted at the way that all those in power treat the people that swear to Protect. People that are in fear will respond irrationally. People that know there is reform may begin believing in the future. With that said, act like a criminal, and anyone will respond with crazy behavior.

[@user-bo2jo7yb5z]

When cops review themselves you get yourself a corrupt system.

[@excusemenoexcusemeno1671]

We desperately need police reform. Better training and more qualified officers. ...Also, we desperately need black people to listen and follow lawful orders. Too many black young men don't have respect for law enforcement and end up dead.

[@yourdedcat-qr7ln]

Law officers dont even uphold their oath and arrest ppl for money

[@excusemenoexcusemeno1671]

@@yourdedcat-qr7ln Yes. Thats why we need police reform

[@frootluvr]

I'm from kcmo and seeing this breaks my heart but this is nothing new to me living there you just get used to hearing about crime because you're ALWAYS exposed to it, my fiancee and I moved to a small town in Kansas and every single day we hear/read about someone being killed. I've lost 3 friends and a family member from violence and the city is just getting worse. Despite all the terrible things that happen in KC, it's still a great place to live and a very colorful city.

[@theonlyconformist]

I'm sorry to hear that. It seems like crime is getting worse everywhere except maybe places like Pendleton Heights

[@transfanatic]

Why dont they train and hire more black officers in predominantly black neighborhoods?

[@ericktwelve11]

They do stupid. You must be living in the 1950's with a 1950's mentality, no wonder you dropped out in grade 10

[@_gamepoint_]

Depending on which city, they do

[@Gman-du7up]

in order to train and hire more people of color you need people to actually apply to be a cop..

[@LividCreature]

Garrett Carter and maybe also trust the police.

[@TRACKtoU]

,,,because they will "LIVE"!

[@EdwolfXx]

Reposting my rising comment: Reporter: "That was Stacy shaw" Grannie: ⚫👄⚫

[@EdwolfXx]

@F.B.I 😂

[@czystekurestwo]

Why did they reupload? Anybody knows?

[@ivareskesner2019]

@@czystekurestwo Because it's August. They always do this on Fridays.

[@mikewyw454]

Reposting... didn't get enough likes the first time?

[@mauricehustles]

It’s heartbreaking to know that young teenager describe his feelings towards police as one filled with terror.

[@edallee5218]

Hold the Police accountable just as though they were like any other citizen. Enough of this "above the law" crap! Accountability will have them think twice before using lethal Force.

[@krispalermo8133]

@Shelly Liban Rubber bullets or bean bag shot gun. Ops my bad, sorry bro I though you were someone else. Here is a coupon for a large pizza from Papa John's. For the pass 25 to 30 years, the cops have no reason to use lethal force on anyone. Oh by the way, in more than a few democrated run cities if you fight back while being robbed. You can be charge with assault along with other felony misconduct charges. Even if you are attacked in your own home.

[@zigzagkill8153]

This breaks my heart, it truly does. We are skipping a large part in this story. It was barely touched on. ** The girlfriend called 911- said he had a gun- and forced his way into the house ** Now women, put yourself in that position. If he was armed, she did the right thing. If he wasn't and NONE of the events happened PRIOR to the police being called, then the lady is in the wrong AS WELL AS the police officer who anticipated the armed suspect she proclaimed he was. See our flaw here? Lets fix this.

[@yourdedcat-qr7ln]

If officers issue citations to appear in court instead of arresting off of probable cause it would cut down on alot

[@Mark-tf7kb]

yourdeadgrandpa1 sup It’s a domestic violence call. It’s out of the officers hands when they show up to them. If they find fault on one person. State mandates you arrest them and they prosecute on behalf of the victim

[@yourdedcat-qr7ln]

@@Mark-tf7kb if its out his hands he shouldnt be assuming guilt upon a party and relieving them of their liberty without a trial.

[@Mark-tf7kb]

yourdeadgrandpa1 sup yet you just addressed issuing citations and not arresting off probable cause in the comment I responded to. Also what liberty are you referring to?

[@_gamepoint_]

@@yourdedcat-qr7ln people would skip the court date.... at which point you would nee to arrest them...... what a circle we just went in.

[@svansy]

the complexity of the drill is an argument enough for US police needing more training. basically the same kind of training they receive in other nations without these issues. cops aren't hitmen. they're supposed to be there to protect victims from crimes. not be the ones you need protection from.

[@prancer1803]

Cops have no responsibility to protect you though

[@prancer1803]

@James Williams no. They don’t. That’s not what police do

[@prancer1803]

@James Williams that doesn’t mean cops are bad. It just means they have no legal responsibility to protect citizens

[@alundavies8402]

@@prancer1803 the police are supposed to protect us from the bad people not take lives

[@zachcoleman3357]

That police officer that runs the simulator genuinely seems to be one of the good guys though

[@TAILSORANGEs]

agreed.

[@VibeinATLien]

"Seems"

[@Ithurtssobad]

The majority of cops are good guys. Don't let the actions of the few skew your perception.

[@Mr.Ramirez95]

That's his job to train THE RIGHT WAY. I can really see that he truly believes in what he teaches. Out in the real world.. training is out the window in a tense situation.

[@NotLoZerish]

Most cops are the good guys

[@MJ_M]

she is an incredible journalist

[@cristianmarint]

SHE 'S GREAT!!

[@LMvdB02]

@James Williams on what

[@onebluguy2692]

and hot...

[@BalboaBaggins]

simp

[@lunaluna6474]

"whyd you attack me dude?" you can hear so clearly that hes lying about being "attacked" so he could try to save his ass

[@yirmiya375]

"you cant walk away and deescalate a situation when someone has a gun".......said the cop

[@wesleytrout4931]

He isn't wrong...

[@yirmiya375]

@@wesleytrout4931 just ironic because they try to deescalate situations by pointing guns at people

[@JoshDaly31]

lol thought the same thing. wouldn't be a problem if every man, woman, kid and dog in america didnt have a gun, but just the people who need it (hunters, cops, etc.). in england normal street patrol level cops dont even have guns, they dont need them because the citizens dont even have guns. cant even remember the last time in terms of first world countries (besides the U.S) where there was a citizen with a gun vs cop with a gun (or citizen without a gun who cops thought had a gun vs a cop with a gun) type situation (besides terrorism, whole other story). oh but wait thats unfair cos 2nd AMENDMENT and WHAT IF tyranny lmao, usa, sad story.

[@wesleytrout4931]

@@yirmiya375 Neutralizing a threat with lethal force does deescalate the situation, it removes a threat to the public.

[@emranh]

@@wesleytrout4931 when you're a supposed official keeper of the peace with barely decent highschool education (and underdeveloped cognitive ability and empathy skills) and 6-weeks police training AND armed with a gun, it's no wonder every problem in the world will look like a nail to you.

[@redacteduser8304]

Bruh, their own staff member in VR shot like a mofo. Cops are people that get scared lol. Hold them accountable to the law as any other but remember they're human....

[@austincallahan8935]

Mister Brookes I’m assuming you’re talking about the gas station scenario, the man had already planned on stabbing the woman and you could not have got his attention in the 2 seconds that he was on her

[@Jebusmike3]

@Mister Brookes Would you really want to take a chance like that with someone else's life? Just calm the guy with the Knife down, maybe he won't stab her right? Oops...at least we tried lol

[@austincallahan8935]

Mister Brookes i believe that the man in the video had already planned on using the knife, and if there was a chance to calm him down, which I personally don’t believe there was, the risk of her life was too high to take the chance.

[@austincallahan8935]

Mister Brookes well of there is or would be a way to stop and arrest the offender and save the woman’s life I would very much love to put funding into it

[@KennyMcCormick99]

Good point actually

[@Murphy82nd]

To this title, I don’t know that we will ever reach a point where black people or white people aren’t being killed by police. It’s part of the nature of the job that when enforcing the law there will be criminal elements that resist and at times force will be required. That force may result in death. Even in cases where the people aren’t engaged in criminal behavior there is the problem that humans feel fear and that affects their perceptions, often in ways that seem baffling in hindsight. Humans are often terrible at interacting with each other, even outside of law enforcement interactions. That said, the US is a country with a deep seated history of racism and law enforcement factors in to that racism. There must be an effort to both eliminate the racist element and train better police. I don’t believe defunding the police is the best way to accomplish that. If anything we need to spend more money on training (I do understand that money can be moved from military equipment to better training). I would also argue that we as a society have come to turn to the police for all sorts of purposes that we ourselves don’t want to deal with, including mental illness and poverty. We all share some of the blame.

[@RazgrizWing]

Its the effects of an authoritarian society and our more authoritarian past.

[@0IIIIII]

You are uneducated and your opinion doesn’t matter. Get a job

[@mariyahisrael5508]

Yeah, you are also a murderer when you co-sign the murder of unarmed Black people!

[@PeepingUkulele]

Well said

[@jeelianbb6405]

The police should be calm and not act on emotions, that is the real difference between vigilantes and police.

[@osvaldocarmona51]

I live in Kansas City, Ks, and it’s honestly bad. Many young teens have died and most of them I’ve known personally. Which hopefully gets better.

[@tonyaconway7058]

Different police department in Kansas City, KS than the one shown in the video

[@mariopuente7258]

I live in Kansas City, MO, and kck isn’t any where near as bad as kcmo

[@mariopuente7258]

Osvaldo Carmona also I am a teen I live in the East side and I know many other teens who have been killed or have killed and this violence it’s not slowing down anytime soon

[@pjkicks7510]

I was raised in Midtown off Linwood and Gillham Road it's crazy now Armour Rd

[@cortezstrickland4874]

i worked for both departments kcmo was bad kckpd takes the cake send me email if u wanna see something’s

[@superdave9159]

The thing about KC, having lived there myself, is their people are as bipolar as their weather...

[@shaggyswae728]

I was born and raised in KC and i can promise u we need more police if anything! There's too many gangs and too much murder going on in our city and the only reason KCK ain't as bad as KCMO is cuz of the smaller population. Just wait for more years to pass if we dont get more police you'll hear about our city and you'll only hear about how much worse it's become.

[@SovietRussia777]

St Louis is bad too. Im in Omaha and try to avoid that place. When we go to KC I stick to the old market area

[@Christian-qu5ye]

this was tough to watch. Hope they could eventually do better.. much love.

[@reapthewhirlwind6915]

yeah real tough watching criminals get layed out. haha you're soft but thats how they want to keep you.

[@enriquemunoz746]

If they want police to change their tactics, they need to change their reactions with police interactions! 🤔

[@Pastaluver_]

@@reapthewhirlwind6915 So you think it's justifiable to use such aggressive force on unarmed people? I mean when they were showing the dash cam videos of the officers arresting the accused you don't think dragging,kneeling,smashing teeth in was a bit much? Or are you still going to deny it? Thinking somehow this makes someone soft

[@Ahov]

@@Pastaluver_ Trump supporters are straight up fascists. They love using force and looking tough.

[@Pastaluver_]

@@Ahov Agreed

[@christopherjongte865]

The disrespect in front of the officer. 😂😂😂😂. I'm dead.

[@gartner101]

The cop training show here is training cops to be killers. Where is the de-escalation training

[@NotMeTF]

So lets just forget that they try to de-escalate before even pulling out their gun or tazer, or the suspect being armed, or the suspect having a warrant out for them, or bad info. Yeah, its all the fault of those damn shooting training programs, they are the problem to everything.

[@gartner101]

@@NotMeTF the only training shown in this video was kill training. And indeed I've seen many cop encounter videos where the cops don't try de-escalation, just the opposite in fact,they go straight for domination.

[@NotMeTF]

@@gartner101 Yes, there are cases where cops are so cooked the only way to describe them is as idiots. But you have to be really ignorant to think that they will negotiate with someone they know is armed and is trying to run away from them.

[@chaosXP3RT]

When are we gonna train civilians to stop shooting cops?

[@spitcross]

As a Dutch police officer, when seeing those arrest tackles, it turned my stomach around. So unnecessary. I literally can't remember a recent arrest where I had to tackle someone and slam them on the streets to putt handcuffs on them. And i worked in Amsterdam for Fucksake!

[@ivareskesner2019]

What happened? Did they get dragged out of church during Sunday prayer and shot in the street like dogs? Were they ambushed and shot by police on their way back from their volunteer work at the children's hospital? Whatever did happen?

[@callmethecoach4121]

So if they’re just leaving the store or someone else’s house, it’s okay to get shot and assaulted without reason? Got it. Police are not held to the same laws we are. They have their own constitution. My bad

[@ivareskesner2019]

@@callmethecoach4121 Do you often answer your own questions? You're literally having an argument with yourself right now. I said none of that.

[@callmethecoach4121]

What you said was “These people weren’t doing any charity work when these cops did this to them. So it’s okay.”

[@sarceexplores]

Cop at 14:29, what the actual F?! Dude, you're a cop, not a damn WWE wrestler!! That dude had already surrendered, why'd you have to slam him like that?!

[@sweetnikei]

In KCMO its best to get on the ground yourself or get slammed

[@mostlypeaceful1817]

If a cop tells you to lay down face down, fucking do it or they’ll hurt you bad.

[@francescomonini8882]

@@mostlypeaceful1817 perhaps you're deaf or intoxicated or whatever. Pollice are there to serve not bully on people, even suspects. Professionalism should not be optional

[@urbanmasque]

Hear me: YOU DONT HAVE TO AIM CENTER MASS AND UNLOAD A CLIP TO STOP AN ASSAILANT. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.

[@bryanwilson1806]

It's magazine first of all, and second off if the guy is high off PCP I'm dumping the whole magazine into him

[@urbanmasque]

@@bryanwilson1806 "cLiPs aRe WhAt CivIEs PuT iN tHeIr hAIr. ThIs iS CaLleD a MaGaZiNe." - whatever Rambo. I look forward to witnessing your trial explaining your rationale.

[@bryanwilson1806]

@@urbanmasque I apologise for calling it by it's correct name 😂

[@urbanmasque]

@@bryanwilson1806 lol

[@az_thenatural7295]

🖕🏽we smoking yall in Cali ask around tinto

[@brendawise4365]

I am a white woman not that should make any difference. But what I seen look like excessive force to me. I think these cases need to be looked at again. These police officers should be called in Whenever there is excessive force used. That was not necessary. The way they handled that young man seemed very excessive and rough. I support my police and I believe in doing exactly what they tell me. If you do that there should be no reason for excessive force. It is certainly a two-way street and those officers are expecting to come home at night but so are the citizens.

[@angelreed3493]

Federal agents are the same as the Federal Government. Put on a great show and resolve nothing.

[@krispalermo8133]

What was that, 30% murders go unsolved and another 30% is back logged. And those who are caught quickly, they where not the brightest light bulb in the room to begin with.

[@robertbromlow2096]

How can you watch these cops slamming people on the ground who have there hands up and say that’s procedure?

[@Shadow-pl9ke]

This is a reupload. Why did vice delete the last video.

[@outofsightoutofmind7499]

Demonetized

[@doggoneyou5401]

@@Shadow-pl9ke for lying

[@MekeniGaming]

@@Shadow-pl9ke maybe they just upload it earlier! It's a mistake maybe

[@WTP_DAVE]

yeah please comment on re-upload

[@MekeniGaming]

@@Shadow-pl9ke for what? This is a News/documentary Channel

[@teresaweaver1012]

When an officer takes one life, that should be their quota for the rest of their career. From that point on, take them out of street patrol rotation and help them restructure their career to something that would never require they carry a gun again. Stop training them like soldiers!

[@NotLoZerish]

Teresa Weaver even if their life is in immediate danger? When they need to shoot to stop them from dying?

[@_gamepoint_]

So no matter the situation you want cops demoted to a desk job?

[@teresaweaver1012]

@@_gamepoint_ Once they have taken a life absolutely. Once is enough for society, as well as the mental health and well being of the shooter.

[@AJAviator]

So the Girlfriend of Terrance Bridges, her FALSE information had zero influence on how the cop reacted when he arrived on scene? She should be charged for misleading the police. The cop was told that the suspect had a gun. Assume the worst, hope for the best!

[@TheSock]

"Assume the worst and hope for the best" Thats something you say in war.. not in a local night time patrol

[@davideb.4290]

I was thinking the same

[@g___________v6850]

UK homicides per 100,000 in 2019: 0.97 US: 7.6 Maybe it has something to do with the guns eh?

[@bliblablubb9590]

Psst, don't question their religion. They'll come screaming about being the only free country.

[@21kiwi24]

Yeah, for the amount of guns that's pretty low. I.e the highest amount in the world. And they're not even in the top 10 homicide rates. Unfortunate the states and cities with toughest gun laws like Chicago and California have such horroric gun crime rates.

[@bliblablubb9590]

@@21kiwi24 So you see states with strict gun laws having high criminal rates, therefore strict gun laws being useless. I see states with high criminal rates imposing strict gun laws to fight criminality, but being undermined by adjacent states with lax laws, allowing for easy smuggling of said guns. But hey, why would a concept, that works in the rest of the first world, not work in the US?

[@gabrielmilan4514]

Stop using logic and reason my fellow Americans don’t like those kind of arguments🤫

[@g___________v6850]

@@gabrielmilan4514 They do like to say logic and reason a lot though. We're half way there, they know it's important.

[@TheeArcane]

Defund the police!

[@austincallahan8935]

Why

[@mugwort6248]

Austin Callahan the majority of violent crime goes unsolved by police, and if we defund our overfunded police we can redirect those funds into other programs like mental health responders and medical professionals and programs that actually lower crime rates like public housing, community gardens that feed communities, and others. That funding could alternatively be taken from militarization like sound cannons, tear gas, and lethal force and instead the funding could go to weekly or monthly deescalation training.

[@austincallahan8935]

Wishing Weed i would agree that we could take funding from cost of those different utility’s for community costs but I don’t believe it is a good idea to take from training funding for recruits

[@mugwort6248]

Austin Callahan No no no I wasn’t saying take money from training for recruits I said put money into deescalation training

[@brremsilverte.9022]

Thing is the police actually need more funding. Police aren’t paid enough, making it an unviable occupation for educated people. Also, with less funding comes less training, which could lead to more incidents like we are currently seeing. More expensive and advanced technology could also help the police department and communities hold officers accountable. The police don’t need to be defunded, they merrily need better funding management.

[@minervagalvez5937]

BLUE LIVES MATTER AND BACK THE BLUE...is by far the most difficult job to do in all cities of America.

[@travissorenson9554]

The problem with their training is that they emphasize the "shoot when in danger" aspect too much. All those simulations were a bit over the top. They should focus on events more likely to experienced and thus events where they are simply de-esculating situations with non lethal force.

[@cyclingzealot]

Hurray to more thoughtful and verbose comments! Indeed, the only way I see out of police accidentally killing people is less gun ownership. The more people own guns, the more the police will justify with "I thought he had a gun". 2nd amendment, as far as I understand, only pertains to organized militia, not individual ownership. As a Canadian and non-gun owner, am I bewildered by the notion that more guns makes us safer.

[@Murphy82nd]

It doesn't take much time for someone to be able to do another person grave harm. Humans have a natural inclination to protect their own lives when they feel threatened. Maybe one day we will have robotic police officers and that will help. I don't mean this in jest. All that said, deescalation is very important and does need to be a focus of training.

[@datchiggatai6737]

Julien yeah but what about the people who have guns illegally? It isn’t that hard to get one of the black market

[@AntiCougar1988]

Events more than likely to experience? lol I can tell you've never been a cop. Every call is different, every day is different. Get a clue.

[@HixsonRacing777]

Jared Guy dead rising 3 fat lady epic😎

[@Dmiudo]

When the police are told the suspect has a weapon they go with that and keep that in the decision making process

[@noahshields507]

Which is fine but just bc someone has a gun doesn’t mean they need to be shot. If there not pointing it there’s no danger to officers life, therefor no shots should be fire but they can’t do that and that’s the problem

[@leasine6476]

You’re not wrong necessarily but based on the information, it’s messed up that the cop didn’t even say “freeze” or try to de-escalate the situation. Clearly their training isn’t sufficient

[@Dmiudo]

@@leasine6476 Yes, there isn't always adequate training. That's why we need more funding for the police and incentives for them to train more and get more knowledge and experience.

[@adeaye689]

Dmiudo yes and no to your comment. Funding isn’t really the issue with the police tho, it’s where the funds are allocated to within the police departments. Besides, the main issue with these officers is that they are rarely ever held accountable for their extreme wrongdoings and abuse of authority. If they were and actually faced real consequences, like incarceration and/or jobs lost without pension, etc. then they’d think twice and be more cautious when it comes to citizens.

[@Dmiudo]

@@adeaye689 How many police interactions are there every year? Millions and yet we only hear about the bad ones. It automatically forces you to form a bias without looking at the statistcs and actual numbers. Sure there are bad cops but in general cops create a safer area. You can talk all you want about making something perfect and do nothing about it. Maybe we should all join the force and see how it really is and then maybe start talking about it?

[@sirdonicus]

Training goes out the window once the power of the badge is on the street, cause the “power of the badge” takes over, and superiority blinds judgments...

[@whatsgoingon07]

Notice not one black person in “back the blue” rally

[@pamelaporter1739]

Police officers need more training. They get several times as much training in other industrialized countries.

[@remusgel]

No they're not. Policing in america is much more difficult because everyone has guns in your country

[@Fight4MyCountry]

@@remusgel Hence the need more training part...

[@katherinefuller2314]

Totally. I dont understand how it takes years and years to become a lawyer but 6 months to execute people for breaking said laws

[@JasonC683]

no amount of training is gonna help if your entire american culture revolves around gun violence.

[@thefrontier2288]

So you're saying... that we should increase funding in the police?

[@samjones6046]

14:28 I really want to hear what justification there was for that ... How the hell do you justify that? If I'm going to get permanent body damage, you bet I'm going to resist aggressively.

[@terejosh13]

tell them its only human nature to protect your body and life.

[@scooterboi1703]

That lady in the beginning just aired them out so hard

[@Emon_Lusk_]

Maybe if black people learn to comply with orders and respect the police instead of resisting arrest and try to evade.

[@mrlaydback11]

The police in the show "Cops" in the 90s are not the same as the police today. Back then they pulled out weapons to deescalate a situation. Now they'll empty a clip and ask quesitons later.

[@Missconduct044]

I think one of the biggest problems within the police is the age of the officers. They’re are no vet cops anymore, only scared young punks looking to power trip.

[@hallow6902]

VICE better be paying this woman well. She does great reporting and she's literally everywhere lol from the middle east to kansas city,

[@Drakoak]

Haha that should be her motto. "From the middle east to the Midwest. I'll get the story."

[@jbthecook]

How is 111 almost 200??? Wow she's pretty bad at math.

[@chiefs816kc]

I live in KC (see my username). I was thinking the same thing. We are not close to 200 murders.

[@Murphy82nd]

10:21 It couldn't have anything to do with the expectations set up from the neighbor that called saying he had fought with his girlfriend, had a gun, and forced entry into the residence?

[@letsgobrandon8375]

For sure!!!!!

[@Haydenwolf344]

Im black and i agree with this

[@LMvdB02]

So why didn't the officer investigate if that was true before shooting?

[@letsgobrandon8375]

@@LMvdB02 obviously he did that's why the cop acted the way he did.

[@m.g6917]

@@letsgobrandon8375 he investigated so well that he ended up shooting an unarmed man lel

[@bridgetnash2886]

When that one guy was talking about 'we can't de-escalate when a person has a gun' ok but what about UNARMED people?

[@jabphin]

I'm certainly jot trying to defend every situation but it can be hard to tell if someone is carrying a concealed weapon. When in a possibly life threatening situation adrenaline can cloud your judgement and something as innocent as moving your hands can be perceived as reaching for a weapon. As for tasers, some people are more resistant than others and could resist the effects long enough to be able to take a shot.

[@ChiefKhem]

@@jabphin I agree, and I’m pretty sure some tasers wouldn’t be long enough to reach some suspects.

[@3Q2HFNILQHF]

Those training videos are bizarre. Almost all of them are people with weapons and who actually use it. But we see in real world, police are killing mostly unarmed (black) people. In other words, the training videos are making the officers fear even *more* situations than what would be otherwise warranted. Who does this help?

[@vipsyntax9644]

Isobel Yeung is such a good correspondent. Dunno if it’s cause she stays interesting or whether it’s just the depth of information she relays. Keep it up Vice!

[@STELLA_VELUX]

It's def her! look at the vid they did on Guantanamo bay intresting oppurtunity but it becomes painfully obvious that the correspondent can't manage to push the interview to it's full potential ~this is the end of my Isobel fan post I love her~

[@hox42]

She’s definitely brave and went to frontline wars I give her an ultimate respect for that

[@Tesla_Iive2023-]

Both and that x-factor added to it

[@Blossompot]

Not all blacks fear for their lives every day, but every cop does.

[@DrumToTheBassWoop]

They just need to restart with a fresh start, maybe recruit ex police officers from Europe to help in de-escalating techniques.

[@DrumToTheBassWoop]

Héctor Santa Ana I’m not talking about the gun side of things, your the experts at that, I’m talking about the deescalation techniques.

[@DrumToTheBassWoop]

Héctor Santa Ana Ex cops, and they could be a purely advisory role.

[@DrumToTheBassWoop]

Héctor Santa Ana thank you 😒

[@chaosXP3RT]

They should just hire only black people

[@theeraphatsunthornwit6266]

Or send thousands of these guys into europe... the population are different.

[@jimmyjam5453]

Demilitarize The Police Is a better slogan. It's easy to defend.

[@griffinthies7789]

You can’t train the people that lean on people’s necks and bash people’s heads in

[@philiphewittii2605]

Again, nothing seems to be racially motivated...maybe poor police work. Using the excuse of "I was afraid of the police" is a bit too convenient for people who break the law or run from the police or resist arrest. When you routinely are fearful of your life because citizens/criminals have pulled guns out on you and your fellow officers, ANYONE would be quick to draw or use excessive force. Officers put their lives on the line for the neighborhoods they patrol, white, black or otherwise. If they were racists, then they wouldn't bother. That doesn't excuse poor policing and if they are guity then they should feel the full force of the law.

[@farhanf7704]

On a lighter note, one of the worst things this pandemic has done, is making us unable to see Isobel Yeung's pretty face.

[@hopeywankanobigreyjediextr2401]

I love how she screams 4 unarmed men died by police hands. How many unarmed people died at the hands of those in the community that want to disband the police? The same police they then call on when they or they're family are targeted for retaliation? And I'm from the area so I see this nonsense on our news (when I choose to watch it)

[@marytille29]

how many times do people think guns are pointed at police officers rather than police officers pointing guns at civilians. police approach civilians with gun in hand before they even see the person.

[@John_Nada_]

The numbers keep telling the truth, vice keeps pushing the agenda.

[@matts3729]

I wonder why they keep getting shot?

[@Twankiez1019]

because police are trigger happy who don't have proper training in how to detain without escalating.

[@email5023]

What if people don't wanna cooperate with the cops? Then what?

[@nothanks5630]

@@Twankiez1019 because they endanger officers and other people in a way that requires a swift response, often very serious crimes

[@sandraray8523]

BestDeals I agree!

[@nothanks5630]

Actually, many many people claim that they are protesting for an innocent minority that has been killed by police, when in fact they committed a serious offence and attempted to injure offers and civilians in a very serious manner.

[@patrioticamerican1484]

The number one way to survive a police encounter is to not point a gun at them

[@Victor-kt6qn]

A lot of them don't even have guns. My dad was pulled a gun on He's never even touched a gun. They stopped him for some bullshit of a scratch on the window shield (Scratch less than an inch of size). We're talking about a family man with two small kids in the back seats. There was no excuse for the gun. He was stepping out of car nothing else. But then the cops saw was me and my brother in the back seat and put their guns away. There was no reason for them to pull that gun. They could've easily shot him there and then..

[@EvilBloodSlayers]

If all the police quit.. you will.get a purge part 3.

[@risingmoon893]

It's not the police's fault that they basically keep break dancing with guns and knives.

[@redtaylor4936]

It breaks my heart seeing people separated.

[@LividCreature]

We need more empathy

[@redtaylor4936]

@@LividCreature Yes we do

[@clarenceedwards2866]

It's not only illegal weapons if found in your possession the police kill you for, but the legal ones too. Philando Castille was killed after he told the officer that he had a weapon and also that it was licenced. But the usual excuse is: I feared for my life so I had to kill him before he killed me. This video clearly shows the extent of brutality they use when arresting persons which is seldom necessary; obviously if a person fights back well that's a different story but you see them slam people in the ground like they were sand bags; it seems to be a blood-lust of these cops to seriously injure or kill and to do it legally knowing full well their fellow officers and union are going to be backing them to the hilt.

[@TheEddiedash]

Having actual repercussions like anyone else might be a good start🤔

[@luksy6493]

Its not about the color, it's about the upbringing and lifestyle that causes these deaths.

[@joeygibson8932]

This is a great point! I listened to a Kevin Gates interview & he said the problem with young black men is they don't know how to take orders from another man. At home, they were probably raised by women which is very different. We teach young men how to respond to other men, especially those of authority who have an advantage over them, it could be better situations. It all starts at home! We need more good men to teach these young men! A mother can not teach a man his place in the world because she doesn't know it!

[@jaredmckeown1033]

It was a bad decision by the officer. They need to be trained up. But it was also his black girlfriend that told him he had a gun

[@JT-gt4uv]

@The Dude In this situation it was the cops fault. Idk how you see it any other way..

[@adeaye689]

The Dude tell me where you’ve gotten ample knowledge on how to spell correctly. You sound emotionally distressed, my guy - it was the cops fault. If you’re walking all of the sudden, then a cop sees you and shoots you without saying “freeze” or announcing his presence to you, I suppose it’s your fault for walking all of the sudden, huh? Moron.

[@rejeannesmith6829]

For my 2A folks, if someone is legally carrying with a CCW. A cop sees your firearm in your waistline and blows your brains out even though you had a legal right to have your gun on you how do you remedy this?

[@b4f495]

why was this reposted

[@shelleygold4923]

VICE is Soros

[@austincallahan8935]

Cuz they wanted a positive like to dislike ratio and that’s not what they got

[@tiff1277]

Some scenes they showed were not liked by the police force that committed the acts and thus need to remove them before further action was taken

[@Spielername]

Why are police officers in this apartment still using excessive force? "We are still human and at one point you gonna see red!" 🤦‍♂️ I didn't even know where to begin... You're obviously trained to see red from the beginning.

[@Murphy82nd]

"It's shoot to kill." It's not. I don't know of law enforcement officers that use that expression these days. The phrase is, "shoot to stop the threat." You aim at what is the center of mass available to you at the time and the most likely area to quickly cease that person's ability to harm you and others. That's generally the upper thoracic cavity assuming that person isn't behind cover. Shooting to wound is not a thing. It can prolong an already deadly encounter and shooting at the extremities is a harder target to hit, increasing the chances of a missed shot and that shot may strike someone else.

[@Vanished584]

they probably have gone to shoot to kill, due to the mass criminality...

[@dodgy_jammer281]

It’s ridiculous what’s going, people want to defund the police but also wants competent officers, not realising that the money they want to take away is vital to training.

[@DareBear1226]

Wtf are you talking about? Even if we defunded the police, they would still have more than enough money to properly train the police. The problem is that they have all this money and they’re purposely not training them right. That’s a decision and a culture. Furthermore, think about all of the other institutions that have been defunded that could use the money like education. We don’t have enough money in public schools to buy new textbooks half the time. I feel that you’re just talking to talk

[@dodgy_jammer281]

@@DareBear1226 i dont think the police look at the training regime they can put in place and go "nah we dont need that", here's a good thought, if you took away 10% of Americas GDP from funding going into the military and put that into education instead of defunding police when the money goes on new equipment, armoured vehicles and specialised gear, you could use that 10% (which is 100s of millions of dollars) and put that into education funding.

[@letsgobrandon8375]

Don't break the law and run from the cops.

[@activistarts7722]

did you watch the videos? nobody ran

[@betu4ever]

How can u stand by and defend law enforcement when all the evidence is pointing out to their misuse of power It's not about race it's about building a better society, period And to do that it will require police reforms

[@gadabout4899]

I'd love to see someone trying to reform black community

[@BrandonCorby-wr5nd]

That Chief is a public safety officer and is not wearing a mask. What a joke.