Karma or generational curse?| Eve's Bayou 1997 - 90s cult classic movie commentary

[@Genesisgiii]

Honestly I don’t believe a child could ever seduce a grown man.. the way she was acting was a trauma response and tbh he absolutely did something to her. The black community has to be released from the shackles of calling a child grown who was literally sexualized

[@MegaDiva1999]

Let's normalize talking about rape and incest as awful and painful as this reality is in many families

[@krono5el]

who do you think they were acting like, who were first people in the Americas with european beliefs, houses, and customs?

[@Tauro420]

A teen girl wise beyond her years can seduce a grown man. I grew up with several fast teenage girls who did just that. Always in grown man's face and never a child's place. I have a hard time believing that her character was abused. I believe she was very obsessed with her father in an unhealthy way and was very manipulative, which is not talked about in our community either. Mental illness. If you actually watched the movie, it came out at the end that she lied about what had happened. Eve found a letter that her father had written to Mozelle telling what really happened that night and Eve called her out on it.

[@Fungigi]

It’s easier to blame children than to hold grown men accountable.

[@Tynab]

It’s like how people will say “they fall in love with anyone that shows them attention” some men think that anyone showing them any kind of interest, even children in a playful way, means they have sexual attraction or desires towards them. Not normal and very disgusting 🤮

[@SR-li5do]

I didn’t think Eve was bad. She was just being a kid; testing boundaries, being inquisitive, flexing her intuition and gift. Cicely was emotionally confused about her father and he took advantage of that. That letter he wrote was just him trying to cover his ass. All he had to do was give his sister his hands if he was truly innocent. He knew her gift was the real deal. This movie is so sad and I wanted so much more of the story.

[@jama3997]

That’s what I said. The moment he touched Mozelle hands she’d know if he was lying or not. But he took the cowards way out and wrote a letter. Like WHY? If you’re innocent just go to your sister and clear it up. Y’all literally live in the same house.

[@WhitneyDahlin]

​@@jama3997 yeah the fact that Sicily doesn't remember truly what happened at the very end proves to me that he did SA her. And it's because children who have been through that repress the memories pretty quickly. So the fact that even when her sister held her hands she still couldn't see what happened because Cecilia herself didn't remember what happened. And to me that just proves that her mind erased what actually did happen to cause him to hit her. And I don't believe her mind would have erased the memory if he hadn't tried to force himself on her. I think it was a lot more than kissing. And I don't think it's a coincidence the next day blood is found in her panties. I dont believe she suddenly started her period. I suspect that was her v. And her father did do something much worse than was actually shown. And I do believe the way the father's letter was worded as well hinted at his guilt.

[@TheNaomiChristina]

Exactly.

[@BlackSocailDanceCurator-Jada]

Sis, he didn't believe in Mozelle's gifts at all. He says it to his wife.

[@jaebyrd4608]

@@BlackSocailDanceCurator-Jadabut he only said that to his wife to dismiss what she was saying however in the letter he wrote he does allude to feeling like both he and his sister were frauds so 🤷‍♀️

[@LisaLuvMarie]

I believe Sicily. I think the dad had groomed her which explains her unhealthy obsession with him. Then he finally narrowed in on his prey that night. Which is why she's so confused about everything that happened. She showered her dad with unhealthy but unconditional attention; which made the outsiders wonder if she wanted it or if it happened in the first place. It's what a lot of victims go through.

[@Doc2Gypsea]

That scene made me cry

[@Tauro420]

Actually he didn't. She lied. Watch the ending where Eve found a letter he wrote to Mozelle. Cicily was mentally ill.

[@truestkiss3699]

He was waiting for her to come down to the study that night. He said it himself.

[@Saggy333]

@@Tauro420 Right I’m so confused on why they’re steady trying to make a demon out of Sam!

[@clown-cult96]

I think ultimately it doesn’t matter what Cicilly said, did or remembered or if you believe her bc she is still 14. She is still a child and still automatically a victim and it’s kinda weird the comments I’ve seen from ppl painting her as this little grown ass temptress who lured her poor daddy into destruction.

[@Akame-lover]

Bc that’s what they do. They look at little black children as older than what they are not to mention if she had just started her period that means she was going through her pre menstrual cycle and her dad being a doctor should’ve understood that she probably felt she needed comfort bc she didn’t understand what was going on. He probably only told her that her period would cause her stomach to cramp and not about the hormones part bc back then that information wasn’t that easy to come by.

[@clown-cult96]

@@Akame-loverand unfortunately Cicilly’s maturity and the responsibility she’s assumed because of it, trying to uphold the image of her ‘respectable’ family, plus her intelligence absolutely work against her. How often do abusers tell their victims “you’re so mature for your age! I can’t believe you’re not 18” and all that other bullshit? That’s that the narrative and a lot of viewers do to Cicilly. She tries to ACT grown up, so surely she must be basically an adult, right? Definitely not a scared, lonely, confused 14 year old child who’s not being listened to or nurtured the way she needs to and who just wants to be accepted. No, she’s clearly a grown ass woman and the villain while a 40-something year old man who is her FATHER is innocent in all this. And you see it in real life all the fucking time.

[@Saniyah-tq1wb]

@@clown-cult96thank you, I’m tired of the KZbin who made this and others keep calling the little girls grown for what they were doing and acting.

[@swiftsage3456]

Ngl... it's kinda upsetting and disturbing seeing so many people genuinely believe the idea that a 14 y/o can "seduce" a grown man and her own father at that. The point of her lying to Eve about what she saw is quite obviously her protecting Eve from what she saw as an older sister and trying to comfort her, she legit admitted that she believed her that day because SHE also knew that their father was a h0e. Eve is also a seer, she knows that Sicily was in fact molested by her father and therefore they buried that letter as a way to let go of that incident and move on from it. I understand that the movie does kinda leave the situation up for interpretation but come on, you mean to tell me that you genuinely actually believe the man who was cheating with the whole town, got busy with another woman in the presence of his daughter and quite literally couldn’t give two f#cks about his family over a CHILD because she was wearing lipstick and occasionally catching an attitude? Really? After we've seen her worship the ground her father walks on the whole movie to her suddenly being uncomfortable with him touching her or even being in the same room as her and you think that SHE'S the problem? The 14 yo? Especially when we all know that it was VERY common back in the day for men to be with girls and women who were significantly younger? And even then, if she really had an electra complex was she still not a kid, a child, a baby? Was she still not a victim? When we say protect black children THIS is what we're trying to protect them from, being blamed for the perversions of their aunts/uncles/fathers/ etc. Y'all genuinely have to do better.

[@WhitneyDahlin]

‼️Yeah exactly! It doesn't even matter which way you interpret it he admits in his letter he "forgot" and kissed her like a woman 🤢 and that makes him terrible alone! And I don't believe he was telling the truth in his letter. I don't believe her mind would have erased the memory if he hadn't forced himself on her. I think it was a lot more than kissing. I don't think it's a coincidence the very NEXT morning blood is found in her nightgown. I dont believe she suddenly started her period. First of all how would she even hide that to begin with? Her and her siblings and her mom have been on top of each other all summer. And her sister immediately found out there was blood on her nightgown. So I believe if she had started her period previously everyone would have already known about it. It's just very strange for there to be blood the morning after the confrontation. I suspect that was her v. And her father did do something MUCH worse than was actually shown (not that the kissing and what was shown is acceptable or not bad enough by itself because it is a big deal and he deserved death for it). And I do believe the way the father's letter was worded as well hinted at his guilt. I think maybe Cicily made up the kissing part because she knew something bad along those lines happened but she didn't actually remember. And she's so innocent kissing is the the way she reframed it. She reframed the memory to be something not as bad as it actually was. Just like she did with her sisters memory when her sister caught her father with Mrs. Monroe in the carriage house!

[@szacntrl]

I never understood how red lipstick was “acting grown”.

[@TheNaomiChristina]

Perfectly said. I’m so tired of the “she’s grown”/“she’s fast” narrative. SO tired of it.

[@BlackNella]

Honestly, I taught this in my high school film studies class on Black Cinema and the analysis there was more sophisticated than some of this comment section chile

[@monilaninetynine3811]

It's so much easier to blame children than to hold nasty ass adults accountable

[@jama3997]

People believe Cecile wasn’t touched by her father but that bathtub scene was enough. Her just being slapped by her dad isn’t enough to make a child start displaying signs commonly associated with sexual abuse.

[@daisanchez6205]

I understood it as her period. She started her period and didn’t tell anyone. She was growing into womanhood and got confused. She was challenging her moms authority as wife and mom throughout the entire film. I think her hormones led her to believe she could outdo the mom to please the dad. Her childish mind thought it was that simple

[@jama3997]

@@daisanchez6205 nah for me Imma just take from a lil context clues. Dad acting like he can’t dance with Eve bc Cecily is older. Where in the world is that logical? “I’ll dance with you when you’re older” sounds like a euphemism for “when you reach the age she is I’ll start doing with you the things I do with her” Cecily sitting in the bathtub for hours after a seemingly “nothing less” night. Why would the day after the accident she be worried about a period? The parents don’t really hold back and the kids are included in some not so age appropriate convos so she wouldn’t exactly be scared of a period. Her reclusiveness that day came from what happened the night before. And then her being made to feel like she has to compete with her mother. Dressing like her, wearing her makeup. Completely emulating her bc she feels that her mother isn’t doing what needs to be done for her father to stay home, bc he gets other women to do it for him. And as we can see, what other women do for him, is provide sexual gratification. Cecily is completely aware of this and like her mother, pretends none of it is happening, despite it obviously hurting her. Cecily is willing to pretend to be her mother and push the boundaries of the Electra complex the two have. But where in the hell would she get is notion if it hadn’t already been implanted in her head? And it’s obvious enough that Eve believes her. Though we never see what Eve actually saw, her not blaming Cecily in any way for their father’s death shows that Eve, though feeling bad for believing she killed someone close to her, felt completely justified leading up to, and before preparing for her father’s death. To add on to that last bit, she and Mozelle’s powers see the truth of things even when someone is hoping for something different. or saying they saw something else. Eve appeared to have seen truth in what Cecily says happened though all wasn’t clear. I don’t think it was a coincidence that she was suddenly bleeding after the night something very inappropriate happened between her and her father. At least that’s my take😂

[@ktj5616]

@@jama3997right i really believe he groomed her

[@MimiCheckinfakeheaux]

@@jama3997I’m so happy I read your opinion of things. Makes perfect sense. When I lost my virginity I bled. That explains her attacking eve when she yelled about her getting her period

[@jama3997]

@@MimiCheckinfakeheaux yeah, like, these girls have a doctor for a father. Why would she be so hostile about having her period. And then her wanting a female doctor instead of her father. Yeah, she didn’t want that man to touch her. Also how her memory was blocked out from that night. It wasn’t all clear to her but there was definite truth to what she said as Eve’s anger diminished when Cecily told her WHOLE truth after Eve confronted her about the letter, and eve used her powers to see the truth. An even further stance I’ll take, is this. Louis knows Mozelle will enable him. And he is shown to be a liar through and through. Even when taking accountability for what he does he still tries to take the blame off of himself. And Mozelle, well she threatened to kill Eve for talking about what she saw happen with Matty. Of course she’d choose to believe her brother. So with that said, when Mozelle asked what happened with Cecily, why did he write a letter instead of going straight to her to tell the truth? Simple. He knew she’d see the real truth once she laid hands on him and he was too much of a coward to let her see just how nasty she was. He’d lose the only ally he had left. Eve saw the truth with Cecily which is why she says she “murdered” Louis. They were both telling the truth. Louis admitted in the letter knowing full and well he was grooming Cecily, enabling and encouraging the inappropriate behavior. So he told the truth about that part. But he definitely lied about pushing her off and not initiating contact that night. Cecily came to see him every night without any incidents so why would she do something that night? How would they explain the vaginal bleeding the day after it happened? Simply put, she didn’t. That’s why she blocked the memories of that night out and was avoiding her father and crying and bathing herself crazy. She felt dirty for what happened. So when Eve confronted her and Used her power, she knew then Cecily was telling the truth. Otherwise she wouldn’t have not been mad at her in the end.

[@tiannaspence9671]

So apparently there is a director’s cut. There was another character in this movie originally. He was Dr Feel Good’s Brother or something like that and he was downstairs when the whole incident with Cicely happened-in this version it’s confirmed that Dr FeelGood did IN FACT mol*st his daughter and the uncle saw the whole thing. But because he’s handicapped, he couldn’t do anything about it. In the final version of the movie which we see now, the uncle character is still there but he is digitally removed. That’s crazy to think about. The director herself even confirms this, yet this final version we all know does a good job at hinting about this being fact.

[@dominique9217]

Ways to watch??

[@chychy0326]

woooow! i wish they would’ve left this in bc i assumed for years that the cicely misinterpreted the incident

[@gms4430]

really? this is a game changer.

[@yowwowtow]

Where did you hear this from? I gotta watch it

[@Chitownhomestead]

I had no idea...

[@Jasmine-lj8qw]

I think the movie touches on the secrets that Black people in America keep. The “what goes on in this house / dont tell my house business “ type stuff such as the sexualizing of your child and the incest situation that always been swept under people rugs behind the beauty and the glamour “blacks don’t do that”., this film showed you the black audience that , yep even black folks do this too.

[@aliasteward9366]

💯💯💯

[@lockandloadlikehell]

"even" ? lol, blacks actually top the results You've been hoodwinked And bamboozled

[@jodiiperez9591]

Did the mum know ? Because the scene where she says you not waiting up for him tonight and them arguing. Then she also asks in the beginning what's wrong with eve like she thought he might be molstn her now. Or I'm reading too much urgh 😢

[@natalieruegger9047]

⁠@@lockandloadlikehellomg i clocked “replies” & what you wrote is literally what i heard in my own mind.. “even” HA. not to be a dick but let’s be real.

[@ohhweeeee]

​@@lockandloadlikehell No, we do not top anything. Incest is a huge problem in many families regardless of race. What resources do you have to quantify this?

[@domilyrics2218]

The ppl believing the father and taking his side please stay away from children and please don't have any. Some of yall are too uneducated on gromming, emotional incest, and SA behavior. Reading some of these comments are disturbing

[@andria8279]

exactly... its quite obvious

[@craigwapples4200]

Anyone ever notice how the father basically never interacts with the son like at all

[@C-Lyfe85]

I think that's because he's an outside son and not an inside son. So only time they probably interact is when father's feeding him, outside. I never saw the son inside the house once.

[@craigwapples4200]

@@C-Lyfe85 the kids the better half of the movie and summertime in the house tho

[@ThePrettytexan]

​@C-Lyfe85 the little boy was Roz's youngest... not an outside child. He was in the house playing with the ball and he was at the dinner party in the first scene.

[@C-Lyfe85]

@@ThePrettytexan Depends upon the weather, sometimes you got to allow the outside son indoors.

[@ThePrettytexan]

@@C-Lyfe85 🤣🤣🤣

[@MojoSojoJojo]

entire courses could be taught about this movie and how layered the plot is with themes of truth vs lies and reality vs memory, Black/Creole life post emancipation, Voodoo/Hoodoo depiction in films and in our history, etc. but also look at the material! the gorgeous cinematography, the beautiful costumeing, the amazing casting! it's the best southern gothic genre film ever made imo and I honestly could've listened to you talk about it for 40 more minutes 🤣

[@forthenostalgia]

Thank you 😊💓. Yes, this film hit alot of points all while being visually stunning. Its defintely well rounded.

[@nicolesherman8974]

I consider Eve’s Bayou a coming of age story, despite the trauma and the SA from Cicely. One thing to take away from this movie was Eve was about that life and Aunt Matty was being a pick me/obtuse.

[@christenbass380]

I do think these kids are being held a lot more accountable than half the adults. Like however the kids was acting is just a reflection of how they was raised

[@monilaninetynine3811]

Yeah, this analysis is expecting kids to have adult-like ability to analyze and think things through. They are CHILDREN.

[@trudy_triad]

​@@monilaninetynine3811 Honestly I had always felt like Eve in particular does act too grown 💀💀

[@IvannaMcGregor]

Eve was really just being a kid 🙄 🙃 her offering her uncle a kiss on the cheek shows she comes from a loving family.😊

[@jaebyrd4608]

I was thinking the same thing. I think she just loved her uncle and was happy to have someone like a father figure showing her love. As someone who had a Dr feel good as a father I also had an uncle who was like a father figure to me and it was never anything nefarious he just knows my dad ( his brother) can be selfish. I think the uncle in the movie just felt bad for eve realizing her father only paid attention to her sister. But I also know there are a lot of creepy uncles so I understand the apprehension

[@creolehoney2253]

@@jaebyrd4608 in our family that’s normal, a kiss on the cheek

[@jassygemini1]

The crazy thing is I saw a film analysis of this movie and the daddy really did SA his daughter that’s why she started acting different and one of the themes of the movie is perception and how it can be unreliable

[@adrianrice2030]

Is it on KZbin

[@Jess-hn1gi]

Perception is a crazy thing! I see it as the daughter loves her father and loves how her father idolized her. She felt like she was his wife as well, he treated her like he treated her mama! I believe that night in the storm she left to come on to him and he slapped her! That too can change how she was acting and why she wouldn’t want to be around him because he turned her away! Being rejected from someone you thought loved you THE SAME WAY you love him is hurtful! She’s acting like a scorn woman not a hurt child!

[@VidWatcher01]

8 years after this movie Megan Goode & Jurnee Smollet would be in Roll Bounce together in 05.

[@monilaninetynine3811]

A much lighter hearted movie

[@andria8279]

oh yeahhh

[@cocoabuttaflyy]

Jurnee Smollet, Debbie Morgan, Megan Goode, and Lynn Whitfield all played in Tyler Perry Films

[@hiscountrigal1764]

Maybe I'm just triggered but you were WAY too hard on Cicely. She was a child and Mr Feel Good groomed and enabled her behavior. You spoke about her actions as though she was one of the floozies around town that was totally aware of what they were doing, when actually she was yet another victim of Mr Feel Good's narcissism. Reminds me of when the world blamed the 14yr old child in R Kelly's sex tape ( "she looked grown" "she was old enough to know better") Overall though, great analysis.

[@Lonelyeco]

I agree. She was indeed a victim and this all could've gotten better if we, they didn't bury everything.

[@boredpersonstory553]

I thought was overreacting bc the Mom is bad she locked them away bc of a vision than get mad when they push back. Like no ma'am watch ur kids.

[@theeelevatedsongstress]

So disrespectful how he’s dancing with her like that at all in-front or his wife, oh and she nasty too! Grindin on him like that in front of his wife…. And it wouldn’t be cute in secret either.🙄

[@SupportGamin2024]

Ever notice that eve and Cisley resemble Mozelle and And Roz?

[@moxiemaxie3543]

Kinda the point. She took her dad's genetics while Cecily took her mother's side. My daughters dad is blonde and 6'3 and stands out from his Mexican family. Taking after his grandmothers Spanish side on his own dad's side

[@moxiemaxie3543]

Don't forget the brother does

[@10shi89]

The appearance of the children are related to their plotlines. Cicely resembles her mother because both Cicely and her mother keep holding on to the father despite him being a bad person/hurt by him. Eve resembles Mozelle because they both have the gift of sight/premonitions. The brother looks like Eve/Mozelle as well but we never see his character fleshed out... maybe he had the gift too?

[@SupportGamin2024]

@10shi89 maybe the brother was gonna end up looking up to his dad,maybe falling into the same sins?

[@10shi89]

@@SupportGamin2024 Maybe. It would be a cool spin off if he was like his father but would have to deal with the consequences of his actions previewed in his premonitions if he had the gift like Mozelle.

[@BlakeGildaphish76]

Every time i watch Eve's Bayou, i only think of how impressed i was with Megan Good and Jurnee Smollett. i was only 13 at the time, so to see these child actors portray their characters so convincingly was marvelous to me. i had serious hopes for Megan though. i just knew that she would go on to win Oscar Awards. It broke my heart to grow up with her and see her relegated to playing "hot girl" roles in just about every film from then on. Jurnee did a little better, but unfortunately, i haven't enjoyed watching her work since Eve's Bayou.

[@PinkLaptop]

Jurnee was amazing in True Blood and Underground. ❤

[@prettynerd4779]

My take is that he did indeed hurt Cicly.. It gives me Greenleaf vibes.. Remember how one sister ( Oprah ) was mistreated but the other sister ( Lynn Whitfield) was treated "nicely" by their dad.. New dresses.. ETC... The fact that he let Cicley over step with the Mom, he didnt inform the Mom what happened with Cicley ( which should have been his first step if his daughter was confused) and the fact that Cicley was withdrawn from her father and distanced herself is telling. I dont think its because she was embarassed and he slapped her. I believe it was because he hurt her and YES he was capable of it.. He literally took his daughter with him while he had sex with other women during his house calls.. leaving his daughter outside.. This man was selfish and didnt give AF..

[@christenbass380]

I loved Eve. I honestly felt a lot like her growing up. I saw the truth and reality of everything happening (and there was a lot going on).

[@kayshawnsimmons5585]

Same

[@jeanellnewmuis2167]

His slap did brake her. Like you said, the slap caused her to see her father as a regular man and not a super hero.

[@TheNaomiChristina]

Yeah you completely missed the mark with this one. Cicely showed signs of being groomed the entire movie, and she finally broke when her dad switched from subtly sexualizing her and praising her maturity (as many groomers do to their victims) to actually raping her.

[@marztarantino113]

When children are groomed they form inappropriate relationships with the parent and are taught to do so. I notice you use a lot of adult terminology when referring to Sicily even though her character is only 14 years old and is very susceptible to grooming and abuse

[@onnie.6815]

A lot of adults don’t understand psychology of sexually abused children They think because they’re adults that they can speak on things

[@imsobum]

Agreed

[@TheNaomiChristina]

Yup.

[@Bennythasteppa]

They daddy was big trash….when Eve woke up traumatized when she first found out about Ms. Monroe, he brushed it off then tried to ease her into the bs by having her accompanying him on his Dr. Side chick adventures. Also Mozelle knew that he did what he did to Cecily which is why she accused his ass and he was tryna redeem himself in that lil letter. He had already sealed his fate like you said. So it may have played out a lil different if Eve would've minded her business but he still would've met his demise in another way. He wasn't phased about having three outside kids and lived in the land of “hero” delusion so he prolly justified his actions to himself...they daddy was a hoe and a narc. I wonder if his outside kids attended the funeral.

[@taeheart350]

I always felt like the dad did do something. He only really gave Cicely attention. Then she got that hair cut and red lipstick, as if she wanted to look like her mom. Nobody is that mad for announcing a period unless it’s something else. Then she told her sister he hurt her but changed the story so she didn’t ruin the way Eve seen her dad.

[@lelecheesy]

I think at 25:41 Moselle did see a bit of what Eve was hiding but it shocked her so much. She decided she didn’t want to see more. I think that’s why Moselle wrote a letter to Luis.

[@mistyblue8913]

Agree

[@DeeDaKaang1]

Was I the only 1 that felt the incestuousness of this film was so deep that it turned you off from being a classic that you could watch several times, kind of like the way "For Colored Girls" was so violent that it was a 1 time watch.

[@keepingitkianatural]

The movie is so good that I put that to the side. I love it so much. I can see how it would be too much for someone, because in*est is so jarring and disgusting. I can't watch For Colored Girl because I was traumatized by the actor who plays Darnell from Girlfriends character brutally ra**ng a woman out of no where. I will never watch it again.

[@WhatIShayyy]

I agree being a SA survivor myself. I refused to watch the movie because everyone kept making Cicly the villian. I don’t get it, the Dad Dr.FeelGood was loyal to no one. So why did everyone assume Cicly would try to tarnish his image. It was already ruined. He was already the villian

[@nkashamasankofa1114]

This film has a disturbing plot however, it is so artfully done, it's definitely a classic. "For Colored Girls" had no real direction, no layers, took gratuitous creative liberties and was just Black trauma porn as most of Tyler Perry's work.

[@emoreeH]

Nope I’m literally debating if I want to go and watch it now. It’s a good movie but it’s heavy.

[@barbieetwotimes]

“Accuse me of deliberately hurting my most beloved child” the way he acted towards Cicely was enabling the inappropriate feelings she was developing for her father(I believe through the trauma of watching her father step out on her mother constantly and fearing he’d stop loving her as he did their mother) and he wasn’t able to do much about it until it was too late.

[@wwe682]

OOOOOOOOWEEEE this is toxic family trauma the movie but it's still fun to watch especially when Miss Meagan Good and Jurnee Smollett killed these roles

[@VidWatcher01]

8 years later they would be in Roll Bounce together

[@cartomancycarmen]

Girl so much of this happens in real life. Men introduce mistresses to their kids all the time, have whole families on the side. But the wife has decorum; this was a family of class and appearance’s similar to the Royals they handled their business discreetly 🧙🏾‍♀️if you know what I mean 😅 Also the kids are only “delusional” because they’re being groomed and raised to be so. Remember eve only knows because she sees it with her own eyes.

[@therealmarlonbellamy]

I watched this movie for the first time in it’s entirety last year on tubi. Dr. Feel Good fucked around & found out. Fun Facts: Samuel L. Jackson & Debbi Morgan were in Coach Carter as well. Poe is the real life brother of Jurnee Smollet. Mrs Monroe played by Lisa Nicole Carson was in Jason’s Lyric, Devil In A Blue Dress, Love Jones, Life & The New Edition Story. Mr. Monroe played by Roger Smith was in School Daze, Do The Right Thing, King of New York, Deep Cover, Poetic Justice, He Got Game, All About The Benjamins & American Gangster. We can please get a review on Jason’s Lyric?

[@ashleyrenee3906]

Thank you for the fun facts! They lightened the mood lol

[@therealmarlonbellamy]

@@ashleyrenee3906 You’re welcome

[@Chitownhomestead]

​@@ashleyrenee3906😂ikr

[@ashleyrenee3906]

@@Chitownhomestead chile, that content was heavy! 😂

[@forthenostalgia]

One thing I forgot to mention is that this film was written and directed by the same actress who played Helens friend in Candyman, Kasi Lemmons. And I dont know why the comments werent on initially, its fixed now.

[@tiffythekewlchick3457]

woahhhh she did amazing!!!

[@angelaholmes8888]

Wow I didn't know that thanks for the information

[@toyaJM]

Mr.FeelGood was never with the son either just the daughters. There is an extended version that supposedly shows more about that night that the mom saw what happened. I’ve never seen it but I’d love to know what version was true.

[@forthenostalgia]

Apparently the extended version is hard to find and not available anywhere. I would have loved to see it in order to get a definite answer on what happened that night.

[@toyaJM]

@@forthenostalgia I heard that it was difficult to find as well..I just want the scene and nothing else lol

[@toyaJM]

@@forthenostalgia The director’s cut is on Vudu for $8.99

[@dlii3156]

@@toyaJM it shows the disabled uncle that was cut out of the film by the request of the company that funded the film. When you rewatch the movie you can see him in the mirror when Cicely and her Mama were talking in her room after she got slapped earlier. In the last retelling of the memory you see the glass drop and break and that’s cause the uncle drops the glass to let them know he is there and saw everything. The uncle has his own memory that shows everything that happened that we didn’t see . Basically cicely did kiss the dad but he didn’t necessarily resist. That’s why in her memory you see the pause between Cicley and her dad because they didn’t necessarily know where they were going to take it after it. Once the dad noticed Tom, he slapped Cicely to make himself look good and save face. Kacey Lemmons actually does a whole break down of the movie and explains everything. You can look it up it’s on KZbin. Also I know Amazon cut they have the directors addition but I think the only place is available is on DVD. It’s literally the same movie just has the uncle there who was a wheelchair bound and was a mute.

[@toyaJM]

@@dlii3156 thank you, watching Kasi Lemmons talk about the film right now

[@_Lunanella_]

I want more black thrillers, suspense, and horror movies like eve's bayou and bones. They hit different than traditional movies.

[@kayshawnsimmons5585]

yes! I agree 🤓🍿☕

[@missjessica8634]

I laughed my ass off when she said I didn't get hit and then her mother slapped her😂😂😂

[@MsNotzi]

I watched this with my mom once, and when that part aired, Mom hollered out, "You got hit that time!" 😂

[@nkashamasankofa1114]

She definitely made that declaration too soon...

[@aweofme]

The irony about how this mirrored Lynne Whitfield’s childhood as her father was a doctor and such

[@daisymoira8536]

“And he shot Maynahd in the chest☹️” man, so many great lines from this movie. This is definitely Top 3 of my favorite movies.

[@giftedpurpose5369]

She was in her bag during that scene!! The way she said her words was so on point!

[@iamgorgeouss]

I believe eve and mozelle has the same gift and cicely has the gifts of “story telling” which helped her change the narrative within eves young mind. That’s why when eve finally got to read cicely palms she knew the truth of the SA.

[@martinacold9255]

Why you open with LiL Journee having that EPIC temper tantrum 😭😭👍🏾 With the GRANDE DAME DEBBIE MORGAN in the back?!!! I remember her from my mother watching ALL MY CHILDREN in America. After watching this I thought they were actual kin- Journee ( I keep spelling her name wrong 🤦🏾‍♀️ apologies I'm in transit I type) and Debbie looking like for real Aunt and niece. Later of course I would learn Journee has many siblings. This was what I would call a sleeper movie, it crept into the subconscious supported by a stellar cast and an alluring script. Thank you so much for your time and effort, living abroad this is like a hug! Hugs from Asia 🌺

[@forthenostalgia]

I noticed how her and Journee had fhe same hair color. I dont know if it was intentional or just by chance. But I do know the boy that played her brother, Po, is actually her brother in real life. Debbi Morgan has the perfect face. SHE IS GORGEOUS 😍 Im glad that you enjoy my videos and hope you have a great day today 💓

[@abookishmess]

I think she was just because her attitude and demeanor shifts so hard, that it's very similar to a lot of victims. They just shut down. I think she probably had a lot of conflicting emotions around her dad, and that led to the weird vision. Her period is not just a sign of her getting older but also becoming a young woman - age typical for this kind of predator. I think thats why the voodoo lady said to watch her kids. I think she never expected her father to hurt her like that, and she is dealing with a lot of shame and guiltl which again to me would mess up the vision.

[@ashleykirby3227]

Whoo chile, I'm gonna have to watch this movie again. This one was crazy wild. I appreciate your POVs on it though ☺️

[@forthenostalgia]

Thank you for watching! When you watch it again, let me know what you think. I noticed so many things I hadn't before.

[@Miketendo93]

I would have liked a little more context of Elzora in the movie. I feel like she had more intied with the Batiste family than they showed.

[@MeresankhJ]

This was a very deep movie and I didn’t realize it when I watched it when I was young. I honestly don’t know what to believe the way the movie is written it can go either way. I honestly loved this movie because I’ve always been interested in the occult life so voodoo hoodoo etc was why I loved this movie. My family is also from the south. And I loved seeing wealthy black Americans portrayed on the big screen. I loved your review it was very through as usual. Love ya.

[@layah28]

Ciscely had Electra Complex. Straight attachment issues. I believe Eve wasn’t bad but suffering from the middle child syndrome. I mean the Father’s favorite child was the oldest daughter and the Mother and Grandmother was close to the son. So Eve was basically on her own and looked up more to Aunt Mozelle since they were the same

[@Deadlymanic]

No she didn’t have any type of complex. They director confirmed she was in fact molested🤦🏻‍♀️

[@TinaArtisTurner]

I never liked how the girls buried/drowned that final letter from their dad, knowing how Cicely lied in the past, I am definitely more in favor of the dad telling the truth because what did he have to lose. He never hid the cheating, and he never seemed to carry that kind of energy toward his daughters. He wasn't an ideal family man, but he did have some love for his kids. Cicely definitely lied to Eve and in my opinion they are just continuing the cycle of generational toxicity and trauma on to their kids. Long short story, I appreciate your commentary as usual, this movie has so much to unpack... Sheesh.

[@forthenostalgia]

Thats what I was thinking about the letter. In a way, they buried the last bit of proof that Cicely could have been lying about the whole thing.

[@1_star_reviews]

I never watched this movie until after this recap but I feel like Cicely maybe wasn’t lying, after watching the full movie. It’s clear that the dad was over sexed. He viewed women as play thangs and why would he feel differently when his own daughter came of age. It was also set in a time where this type of SA was prevalent in the bayou. As a Louisiana native this story seems very familiar to my experiences growing up. I think he did not try her.

[@1_star_reviews]

Also, when Cicely was explaining away what could have been happening between dad and Ms Monroe it felt like a dissociative episode. I feel like he may have been grooming her for years and she is now trying to teach her little sister how to do the same (disassociate).

[@TinaArtisTurner]

@@1_star_reviews I appreciate you sharing and expanding the collective consciousness. I can accept that and it definitely helps me see the underlying message of this movie in a different light.

[@10shi89]

I felt it was unreasonable for them to drown the letter at first but I think that Cicely was SA'd by her father, which is why Eve decided to get the voodoo practitioner to put a curse to kill him. Drowning the letter may have been an attempt to physically erase the evidence of the real reason why Eve went to the voodoo practitioner despite that being physically manifested in Mattie Monroe's husband killing their father. I think them drowning the letter was a symbolic sort of promise to never spill the secret both on the subject of Cicely being SA'd by her father and the idea that Eve plotted her father's death. It could also be a way for both of them to move forward after their father's tyranny and death.

[@chelseapanic]

Y’all get here and prove all the men in your family are creeps and I’m really sorry u had to deal with that. Nothing wrong with a child offering her family member a kiss. She’s a child. Heal. Please.

[@nkashamasankofa1114]

I always thought Cecily's "actions" according to the scenes in the movie were very disturbing and didn't quite make sense. However, I never considered that the father was actually guilty. I guess my mind didn't want to accept something like that without it being explicitly stated as true.

[@ADyani6]

It wasn’t long! I wanted more. Thank you for this

[@kdove144]

Her stealing the pineapple is always my favorite part

[@soulholmes3589]

Can you do jawbreaker 1993 film or Love Don't cost a thing?

[@Jennyboomboom88]

This movie was stressful then and is still stressful now. I watched it after your review and Chile….I agree with your final thoughts.

[@mojob.1222]

I just dont understand why a girl would have inappropriate feelings for her father. I feel like there is more to it

[@rickastar]

Girl your commentary is top tier!! I’ve watched five of your videos back to back. Love the vids! ❤

[@coraliecadet90]

I think Cicily was suffering from Electra Complex and once she got slapped by her dad and got her period. She thought he wouldn’t see her anymore as his little girl and that he would just see her as a woman and would treat her just like he treated his wife and just pretty much ignore her and forget her. That’s why I think she was jealous of how Eve was starting to get attention from her dad more than her. We all know Cecily loved to gaslight and bend the truth when it came to her dad so I highly doubt he SA’d her and that letter was probably him telling the whole truth about that night

[@Opbabyyx]

or maybe her dad has groomed to gaslight and fabricate the truth with delusional versions of what really goes on, and that maybe she finally saw him for who he truly was and spoke up about her SA

[@VidWatcher01]

Agreed. She tried to make Eve believe a whole other narrative & even admitting that she believed her straight off the bat about their father & Matty

[@tylishaqueenoceanriver1676]

I agree

[@lexuscoleman4488]

This is how I saw it but now I see it from both sides of views

[@BOO4EVA]

Now that's a great breakdown I never thought about it frm that angle...once she started getting older becoming a true woman she thought he would put her on the shelf like he's done their mother 🤯🤯

[@mrstill95]

The director’s cut further establishes that both cicely and her daddy were lusting after eachother. But a character that wasnt in the original version caught them and her daddy slapped her to save face.

[@cuntylibra]

A grown man lusting after any child, especially his own child, is a ped*phile.

[@TheNaomiChristina]

A child can’t understand feelings of lust toward their father without being groomed by them. That is extremely rare and unnatural for those feelings to form with no abuse precluding it.

[@i_crave_death4660]

@@TheNaomiChristinayes this is very true. And the reason why she becomes distant when she gets her period is because groomers typically see the child their grooming as “old” and this messes with the child’s psyche and I’m not really sure if there’s a word to describe it but the child starts to see themselves as growing up as “wasted goods” and it’s why sometimes you see them/or a trend in general of people, specifically young girls, trying to cling onto their youth.

[@i_crave_death4660]

I forgot to add but that’s why cisely defends her father to the high ends. He gave her undying attention/inappropriate attention and she, just like all children, can’t tell why this is wrong

[@AL7249]

This was honestly fantastic movie. I remember watching this as a kid. I'm really liking your videos and commentary from talking about the messed up trope of boys bullying girls instead of saying they like them, your thoughts on lean on me and now this movie. Specifically the thoughts on the supernatural and black people. And yeah, with the rise of Christianity came the desolation of certain African religions through colonization, the slave trade and just general fear that black families went through trying to hide their gifts. Deities of African religions specifically the Orisha of West Africa, Nigeria became aligned with certain Saints of Christianity in order to survive. Hoodoo was made from the backs of enslaved Africans who used what they could to protect and care for their own, along with curses masters. As for the movie, I'm definitely going to watch it again, love the authentic or near authentic clothing, scenery and locations. Really makes you feel the tension and thrill. Hell, even the characters I enjoyed. Lol Eve was just a straight up brat but she was intuitive ASF. Loved the addition of the supernatural it had, honestly really made it stand out amongst black films.

[@nytiasha]

you’re literally my new fav, i could watch these all day. thank you for this GEM of a channel! ✨❤️‍🔥

[@Jantis_Atlantis]

Such a classic movie in our community! Although the father was a cheater, I always felt bad he didn’t get to clarify what really happened between him and his daughter. Even at a young age watching this movie I could tell that Cicely had some confused, misplaced feelings about her father. Trying to compete with everyone for the #1 spot. There’s an actual word/diagnosis for that type of behavior. I’ve personally never got the feeling that they were alluding to any type of “grooming” or assault. There was nothing in the movie that even hinted at that. It was really more Cicely trying to appease him at every possible moment not understanding the boundaries between father and daughter. His only true fault was him being a terrible husband. I always thought her mental breakdown was caused by her feeling hurt and rejected by her father after he slapped her.

[@angelnyambio5704]

I agree

[@daisanchez6205]

Me too. I think she felt rejected as a woman or lover not a daughter. That’s the hurt she felt. I think Cicely thought no one. Not even her mom was before her in anyway so she thought she could make her dad happier than her mom

[@Princessmisaofficial]

Nope but father SA'd her no child just randomly have sexual desires for their parents like that

[@tosha50000]

Wonderful review! It seems balanced, fair and you brought up things I didn't consider fully. The reading from the Dianne Carrol's character - you broke that down mad simple and it always went over my head. Thank you! I'm with you...riding a fence on who is telling the truth, but I tend to side with the father telling the truth more than Cecily. My feelings haven't changed from when I saw this the first time and now several years later after watching it over and over again. I will continue to come back and watch you regularly! Keep the reviews coming, I love the content.

[@moxiemaxie3543]

I believe Cecily had incestuous feelings for her father and may have teen spite over the rejection

[@kashmoneytrinnity243]

yes

[@sugarpearl9781]

More likely she was being groomed and was telling the truth that he assaulted her.

[@cognacszn7789]

She was getting abused isn’t that obvious

[@princess-nia]

From being molested plus remember that scene where Cecily got her “period” notice how she reacts and goes crazy on eve that’s a sign that she doesn’t want nobody to know that she is bleeding he did molest her really bad

[@gard4n474]

Even if she did those feelings wouldn’t just develop out of nowhere. He did something to her

[@InstantlyGlam]

I absolutely love the casting in this movie! I remember seeing it as a kid but I never fully understood it but I loved watching it. As an adult this movie is so nostalgic and informative. Please do color purple it’s another one of my childhood favorites.

[@AllTaxisRYellow]

I noticed a little detail in this movie. During the scene where the father asks the daughter if she’d rather see a woman doctor, he then shakes hands with his sister using their left hand. This is a Haitian Loa passing tradition. Very good movie with details about creole culture.

[@Risse14]

I believed the dad. That girl was too in love with him in a very unhealthy way.

[@thisabambii2323]

Nah i believe the girl because the dad and the girl relationship was emotional incest. She daughter acted like his wife and he didn’t have boundaries like a daughter and father should.I also feel like he groomed her and that’s why she acted like that. And I think I’m the letter that be kinda lied to make him look as not the “bad guy”

[@tgirl1762]

@@thisabambii2323 But that doesn't make sense because in order to groom someone you kinda have to be there and they made very clear that he was barely there and there was no real interaction between him a Cicesly just a kiss on the forehead when he came home. He spent more time with the other daughter even taking her to visit his patients with him which is why she saw him for who he was and why Cicesly only saw her fantasy of him

[@10shi89]

​​@@tgirl1762 ​This movie is unique in that there are a lot of specifics left out to interpretation. Also, the movie is mainly in the perspective of Eve, which is why we don't really see Cicely's true perspective. I feel what happened is that Cicely's viewed her parents relationship as perfect and was sort of a daddy's girl until when around her siblings become children that her mother finds out that her father is a serial cheater. This causes arguing between the parents and Cicely views this as the reason why her father cheats. Cicely, in an attempt to keep her father in her life she attempts to be a better version of her mother and unfortunately while the rumors of what happened on the gross kiss night are conflicting, I feel that Cicely and her father both entertained inappropriate mentalities BUT I feel that Cicely's attempts was to try to keep her dad in her life because like you said, he barely spent any time with the kids and was busy being a dog.She probably thought things could be like how they used to be before her siblings were born where things were perfect. She felt that she needed to act grown to keep the family together because her mother and father's relationship was falling apart. However, I think the father did take advantage of Cicely's dedication and did SA/rope her. I say this based on her various physical, mental and verbal actions that happened in the movie. Examples included protecting Eve from the thought that her father is a cheater/nympho but admitting later on that she believed Eve's story, laying in the bathtub for hours because she was bleeding, Cicely not being able to describe what happened to her that night (disassociation/trauma blocking) not wanting her father to inspect her when she was "sick", her father's reaction when she said she wanted to go away, her choking out Eve when she told everyone "she got her period" (which again, probably wasn't her period which is why Cicely got so mad), etc, etc. I get your perspective of the fact that a groomer usually is often around their victims to lead them astray but I think this case is not typical. I felt it was a breakdown of inappropriate family dynamics and because the father entertained this he is a groomer in my eyes but Cicely chased him and unfortunately was taken advantage of in her attempts instead of the other way around that happens in most situations we see.

[@starkman78]

I don’t think that Cicily lied. She genuinely didn’t remember the way it happened and that’s why Eve’s vision wasn’t clear.

[@TheSquad4life]

@@thisabambii2323 yeah tough one to call. Issue is the daughter is Not a reliable narrator . Film also shows her gaslighting her sister and lying to her, her track record is iffy at best.

[@greerakual]

Girl your videos have relight a part in my childhood with your reviews on these cult classics and i love em! I do think there’s a bit of misinterpretation with Cecily’s character. She’s supposed to be a representation of the “what goes on in my house stays in my house” and how the child or victim is unreliable. She showed the basic signs of being abused, and on top of that had a complete 180 view of her father. Eve n her brother are the bystanders the children who see the abuse but can’t actually do something so it’s left to the adults. This film could be seen as a coming of age film that is common in most black house holds, and common sa that gets swept under the rug. Your analysis was wonderful either way, ❤️

[@Sdiggs09]

I'm so appreciative of this analysis. I was 9 years old when this movie came out and I remember initially believing Cicly was lying about her Dad. Being a daddy's girl myself, I remember wondering why a young girl would behave so strangely towards her father and mother. I'm a Social worker/Behavior Therapist and after watching your review today, I can easily see how either person could be lying. While the comments state that the director/creator has said the dad for sure SA her, I can't find that anywhere so going purely off of the original movie, I believe it is left for the viewer's interpretation. If a part was cut out where there was a witness to the SA, it was taken out to remove the one definite answer and allow room for multiple answers. After reading the comments, many situations that could have happened are realities of real people from past and present. Many I have encountered in my field of work; Grooming and incest happens, but so does the development of hypersexual children without abuse from a parent. Cicly's behavior after the infamous night demonstrates characteristics of SA but also extreme shame as seen in some personality disorders and syndromes. I also see nothing sisterly about her towards Eve until the end of the movie. Her hostility towards her mother could stem from blame or competition which would also explain her jealousy towards Eve. There's not a definite answer by the end of this movie and that's the whole point which contributes to why this movie was such a great work of art....it makes one think of how the many explanations could be true for different people. I think you hit it on the head with your analysis. You have gained a new subscriber

[@DiaraHyde]

This is like one of those books where you choose how the story goes. Loved this movie. ❤️

[@tytybaby06]

Awww man how I miss this gem! You have to do “The Sixth Man” it’s sooo underrated!!

[@barbieetwotimes]

I feel like this entire movie is based on perception and the kind of a child. I think Cicely told the truth of what happened because that’s what she believed happened. I think she did go to the father and they begun to do things while he was drunk and I believe he thought she was her mother BUT once he realized what was going on he’d gotten confused and slapped her out of frustration and anger. I don’t believe the father knew it was her but I do believe he aided in the issues that Cicely had because the cheating and lying that her father was doing and her constantly seeing that although her mother was amazing her father was still cheating and skipping out on her that she too wouldn’t be his favorite or he wouldn’t love her the same. And so she thought the way to regain his love was by doing the things that her father clearly likes to do the most. And it all came down to acts, reasoning, and like the movie showed in the beginning when Cicely changed Eves shed story it’s all about perception.

[@kweenofdasouf1632]

I love this movie and I love your channel. I just found your work in the past couple weeks and am finally commenting. I’ve watched so many of your reviews it’s making me want to watch these movies again . Your commentary is awesome . 🥂

[@LateNiteFilmWatcher]

Mozelle is also a black widow

[@mathiscousan191]

I felt like her growing up. I grew up in a traditional Louisiana Creole family BND only brown skin kid on my daddy’s lineage has always been a struggle, but I celebrate my adulthood and I realize that my mother gave me the most French name out of all of my siblings just so I knew I belonged I remember trying to get my mother and grandmother’s attention by being the only child that tried to speak French.

[@denisejohnson4037]

Idk, I thought the kisses and chocolate was innocent enough. It was playful.

[@rebeccamay6735]

Thank you for your insights! I haven't seen Eve's Bayou in years so watching it again it was different than i remembered in good and bad ways.

[@ramonajackson2083]

The uncle harry chocolate thing isn’t problematic to me. As a young girl with many loving and non weird ass uncles things like this were normal to me. I always saw that scene as a sweet gesture. I will say tho, I wonder if women who feel like obvious nonromantic but affectionate or physical gestures of love are creepy because of a lack of loving men in their life. Idk

[@ramonajackson2083]

Also tho considering the context of the movie, maybe it is a read between the lines type of moment…

[@true4585]

This is the reason. Plus, many men are just creeps and women are being protective bc they see the potential danger.

[@shannynmartin3157]

This one is awfully confusing for me. For one thing how the hell did that momma not realize what her husband was doing? Everybody else did. She was willfully wearing blinders if you ask me. Hell, she might have been messing around her damn self cause god knows Eve and Pope don't look like they have the same daddy as Cicely. 👀 2nd, Cicely was very much in love with her dad and it was weird as hell to see. I have no trouble believing she would have came on to him. But it is just awfully coincidental that she got her period the very next day. What are the chances of that? I just don't know what to believe about that. I have a feeling the writers wanted us to believe both stories were true on some level.

[@jama3997]

Louis admitted to grooming and forcing an Electra complex on cicely. So he told the truth with that part only. But that’s something he could’ve said to Mozelle in person. But he didn’t, bc he knew she would’ve used them powers to see that the rest of his story was complete bs. Cicely bleeding the next day and being hostile and hiding in the bathroom in the tub for hours, yeah something happened. And she told eve she wasn’t clear on the details, because she dissociated. But eve was pissed as hell at cicely and ready to strangle her if she found out her sister had lied. But she didn’t. When she saw the truth Cicely had blocked out, she believed her and made up with her. Sister definitely told the truth, and people are doing what they always do. Putting en blame of the child instead of the grown man that pushed that behavior onto her.

[@MississippiKaijuMusic]

Sicily wanted to be the new wife, she wanted to replace her mother.

[@janiyablair]

Can you do a video on Antowne Fisher?

[@Spectacious]

Please

[@kayshawnsimmons5585]

yes! Another great one

[@Victoriaistalented]

I forgot Meagan had a gap that made me appreciate mines more.

[@MsFirestar21]

What a coincidence that Debbi Morgan also later played a seer in Charmed 😅.

[@Pointdextra]

So ive never looked at things movie objectively before watching this & girl Yeah, everything was spot on there. Personally, I'm leaning more towards Cicely period coming on rather than the ladder for many reasons. This movie was my grandmother's favorite so ive been watching it my entire life, totally a southern classic (I'm from Va)

[@starkman78]

To those who think that Cicily’s period was suspect, remember that all versions of the story have her running away after the slap. Nothing else happened. Sometimes a period is just a period.

[@robearth-one8570]

You gotta do ‘Down in the Delta’…’THE WOOD’ too!!!

[@kayshawnsimmons5585]

🤓🍿☕💯

[@ADyani6]

Eve is the typical middle child

[@nataosharichardson5597]

😮😂🤦🏿‍♀️ right 😆

[@lovely1762]

Im the middle child and it sucks

[@xzavierbeamon9195]

I remember this movie being alot to take in as a child

[@latashalove708]

I believe Sicily..I always have. Great review!!

[@GuerillaWelder]

"get a drink... I'll wait" *sips coca cola happily listening to my favorite aunt tell me things*

[@kayshawnsimmons5585]

🤓🍿☕

[@missmelanin7066]

I'm 44 & I've never seen it. I know, I know. 😮‍💨 I recently was going to watch it, but for some reason I didn't have the energy to. I think my spirit was like NO! 🤷

[@quietstorm7684]

I think Cisley made up the memory of Louis and Mattie more out of a need to secure her idealization of Louis.

[@tipsycash7483]

I don’t think cicely is blind to her father’s affairs. I think the man she thought he was turned out to be literally just not who he actually was and that was heartbreaking to her when she realized it. So instead of breaking it to her sister that way she keeps the image of him being this great guy alive in her sisters mind probably to shield her from feeling the same pain she felt

[@Whatsinaname_]

U watch this movie as a child and as a adult and still I'm so shocked by the children behavior. I thought they were so brave for talking to abult like that. Like getting a whooping was not a possibility.

[@andreaobaez864]

So, super late to the party, but I wanted to point something out about the timeline: we know it's been at least two weeks from the night of the storm, to the day Cisely is sent away, because Roz points it out. We also know that Cisely is sent away on a Sunday, and Louis is shot on a Thursday. It's heavily implied that Mozelle confronted Louis either that night or that morning after he came back. In that time, Louis does not show any concern or change in demeanor over his daughter. The man had at least two weeks to comfort Cisely, if he had really been concerned, and almost a week to set the record straight with Mozelle, but he's just as glib as ever. In fact, he gets shot because he doesn't understand when to leave well enough alone. The man in that letter is lying. Pay attention to the sound design as Eve approaches Cisely towards the end. Louis voiceover: Forgive me. Eve: Liar! Louis VO: Louis.

[@Shlbizzy_21]

He never paid attention to the son, he was there

[@Cluv22]

Eve's Bayou. Starring Journey Smooyay.😁

[@victoriaj1908]

I am glad that the scene is ambiguous and open to interpretation. I think something different almost every time I watch it.

[@solkaress]

If you love Debbi Morgan, you should review Asunder starring Mrs Morgan, Blair Underwood, & Micheal Beach. She killed that role as well. Might have to buy the DVD b/c the movie isn't available on most streaming services

[@Childishxmarkeeloo]

I think everything is supposed to be confusing both the daughter and the father are unreliable people, the daughter is a liar and is clearly shown to have an unhealthy obsession with her dad. The dad is a lying cheating snake of a man who’s also not supposed to be trusted. It’s up to us to figure out who truly did it, up to our interpretations. Who do we believe

[@KiwiSlimeee]

He said he needed to feel like a hero and that his wife made him realize he was just a man, but Cicely the one who is set to look like the mother, makes him feel like a hero. He has no self-control when it comes to women to the point where he cheats on his wife in front of Eve at the doctor's visit and even at the party in their own home. I feel like he relished in his daughter making him feel like a hero, and for him, her also looking like her mother (the one who no longer made him feel that way) was also a factor in what happened between him and Cicely. Cicely re-telling Eve what she saw at the party, re-framing her thought process was probably something she learned from her father. Truly sad.

[@KiwiSlimeee]

Another thing I noticed was that even though Cicely had moments where she was in grown folks' business, her father never corrected her even when disrespecting her mother. In my opinion, it was him who blurred the lines when it came to Cicely behaving like that. Even when she shooed her siblings away, she sat right down and listened. When her dad came, she told him the women were mad and he didn't tell her to stay in a child's place, he went right in there and enabled her in front of them by making a joke. He slowly over time set her up to "act grown" and its almost like he was grooming her into her mother.

[@coilycutie436]

Are you of the older generation? Your final thoughts on this movie, especially pertaining to cecylia, are very disappointing. There’s a distinct bias when it comes to her that leaves a sour taste in my mouth. An animosity and urge to adultify her and place equal blame on her when she was a CHILD.

[@forthenostalgia]

Provide examples please

[@irisuchiha5218]

​@forthenostalgia literally call her "grown ass". You also make it seem like kids intentionally want to have relationships unprompted by adults. Usually abusive women say this to young girls to "hurt" them or push them down a peg.

[@irisuchiha5218]

​@@forthenostalgia god forbid we call out black fathers for hurting their children sexually. Also if he telling the truth he would most definitely went to the seer instead of writing a letter. Let's just believe the cheater and awful father in the movie instead of this clearly Stockholm syndrome child.

[@osborn.illustration]

A Southern gothic classic! I’ve loved this movie since the 90’s.