Karndean Van Gogh Flooring - Capel #23

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4 жыл бұрын

Robin has Berwicks of Horsham team in to lay his Karndean Van Gogh Luxury Vinyl Flooring (LVT).
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@kjw4519
@kjw4519 4 жыл бұрын
Great update on the Capel build ! Getting there ! I do hope you have a rest at the end, although I fear your like me and get itchy feet when trying to relax. Loving the videos, stay safe !
@T.E.P.
@T.E.P. 4 жыл бұрын
superb results Robin! gorgeous
@RafaelGarcia-fz4xs
@RafaelGarcia-fz4xs 4 жыл бұрын
When it comes to building, Robin Clevett is in a league of his own.
@tomsmith9048
@tomsmith9048 4 жыл бұрын
Theirs lots of quality tradesmen out there we just charge alot more than the average person is willing to pay
@TheTraditionalGolfer
@TheTraditionalGolfer 4 жыл бұрын
He is fantastic....absolute top top tradesman but I've worked with guys as good there are great tradesman about they are just few and far between. Problem with the building trade there is rarely a middle ground guys are either really good at what they do or really bad.
@skiathosmobi
@skiathosmobi 4 жыл бұрын
Looking great!
@superiorbeing95
@superiorbeing95 4 жыл бұрын
My mum has got built in wardrobes from the late 70's that look similar to those units, I'll show her this video and tell her they're all the rage now, hopefully she'll stop going on about replacing them.
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
Everything goes around and comes around
@cglees
@cglees 3 жыл бұрын
Too true!!
@floatingpeaks4584
@floatingpeaks4584 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂 they did look a bit dated
@grahammitchell6435
@grahammitchell6435 4 жыл бұрын
Perfection doesnt exist but you can get damn near to it , what a beautiful house , the finish of course is only relative to the preparation , and I know preparation is thinking ahead , thinking laterally, and not missing anything , people like you Robin dont exist in todays maximum profit for minimum outlay world , and I would say that you deserve what I could only describe as an " Englishman's Castle " . Well done , youll get there , and dont you change your attitude , more power to your elbow my friend !
@marso9341
@marso9341 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Robin, great video. I have been looking at different flooring options as planning to have underfloor heating in the kitchen extension, so this has been a useful insight to an alternative option! Thanks again
@samposton9101
@samposton9101 4 жыл бұрын
Really nice Robin. Surprised you opted for Karndean but after you said about the problems, it makes sense. Top work as always 👍🏻
@davidpoole4427
@davidpoole4427 4 жыл бұрын
Looking very very nice rob. 👍👍
@blackhoundrise8431
@blackhoundrise8431 3 жыл бұрын
Nice to see local videos. Sussex people over here 👍🏾👋🏾
@_.alex.-
@_.alex.- 4 жыл бұрын
Epic party house Robin 👍🏻
@robthesamplist
@robthesamplist 4 жыл бұрын
It all comes together when the flooring goes down I bet robins well excited.
@CarFinanceSimplified
@CarFinanceSimplified 4 жыл бұрын
Laid Karndean in my previous place - very nice to work with 👍
@henryparrott2447
@henryparrott2447 Жыл бұрын
Good job 👏 👍
@marcosdomingues2308
@marcosdomingues2308 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing 👍🏿👍🏿
@fullcircle8973
@fullcircle8973 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Robin another great video I love your meticulous nature and that your a detail guy cuz thats what sets the few apart from the many. If sharps quoted those wardrobes no lie they would easily be 5k if I made those wardrobes I'd want a minimum of 4k. Fully bespoke and that high quality you'd get 4k all day long 👊
@matthewhurley5410
@matthewhurley5410 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Robin, Great Video I use LVT on a lot of my building projects and karndean is a very good product but I use a product called ambiance flooring I highly recommend you check them out there based in the midlands and also have a vast range of flooring designs. Best of luck for the rest of the build loving the content. 👍🏻
@KINNELLCOD
@KINNELLCOD 4 жыл бұрын
Really like the skill builder videos. Would have been nice for a video for the painting of this build though.
@TheBuilderdad
@TheBuilderdad 4 жыл бұрын
I know your current look in this video Robin, long hours, stress, details, lack of sleep. Get some rest my friend,
@Giftedmike359
@Giftedmike359 4 жыл бұрын
Nice bit of lino that
@holby43
@holby43 4 жыл бұрын
Looks the Bollocks Robin 👍
@stuarthodge515
@stuarthodge515 4 жыл бұрын
Jesus that must of cost a fortune to do that , looks good though , loving this series
@alexgeddes4020
@alexgeddes4020 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Robin, really enjoying this series! I don't think I've missed it but wondered if you have done a video about the windows you've installed?
@arranbrown5709
@arranbrown5709 4 жыл бұрын
Get that lad a pair of knee pads
@Sash_Window
@Sash_Window 4 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly! A floor layer with no pads? >.
@thomasharris1901
@thomasharris1901 4 жыл бұрын
@@Sash_Window they are in the knee pockets in trousers
@thomasharris1901
@thomasharris1901 4 жыл бұрын
whoops didn't see the other fella my bad wish i could work on my knees like that still!!!!
@MsElijah16
@MsElijah16 4 жыл бұрын
Nice
@tradingplaces787
@tradingplaces787 4 жыл бұрын
He didn't want to stop laying the floor, did he? Must have priced the job tight Lol
@arranbrown5709
@arranbrown5709 4 жыл бұрын
Just getting lashed on
@angusbrown8707
@angusbrown8707 4 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t get paid to stop and talk, only paid to Chuck the flooring in
@Fe7Ace
@Fe7Ace 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe he considered that the viewers would like to see how easy it is to lay. If you're good at a job and you're getting filmed you'd probably want to keep doing it. =)
@samsingh2042
@samsingh2042 4 жыл бұрын
Happy birthday bud
@Ninefingers1986
@Ninefingers1986 2 жыл бұрын
Great videos Robin. How comes you put the skirting down before the flooring? Would you get better results putting it down after the flooring gets laid? Cheers
@denty32
@denty32 4 жыл бұрын
I have the exact same flooring threw out my house, best thing I ever done
@chriscoulson7684
@chriscoulson7684 4 жыл бұрын
Why would you throw away your house just cuz you like your floor
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
Don't know if he will get that one.
@noskills9577
@noskills9577 4 жыл бұрын
christian Coulson he prefers to be outstanding in his field
@denty32
@denty32 4 жыл бұрын
Ok ok ha ha (throughout) didn’t know youtube now had Grammar Police
@mattryan1986
@mattryan1986 4 жыл бұрын
Robin will you at some point be posting the second part to your decking that you started?
@am11744
@am11744 4 жыл бұрын
I would guess your sharps estimate would be conservative for that run of units. I also have karndean in my office and it takes a beating and looks realistic too.
@cuezed
@cuezed 5 ай бұрын
The karndean looks great. What's the name of the finish? I can't seem to find rustic wood online
@davidprice9265
@davidprice9265 4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't want to lay a floor with Robin watching ,He would be on the lookout for all the karate cuts lol ,
@arranbrown5709
@arranbrown5709 4 жыл бұрын
Don’t worry a nice thick of bead of silicone will cover them
@mackers5205
@mackers5205 4 жыл бұрын
Yes but you'd definitely employ him
@worldsbestidiot7110
@worldsbestidiot7110 3 жыл бұрын
And if you would employ him, and therefore want that quality in your home, you should always try deliver the same quality for customers homes.
@express375
@express375 4 жыл бұрын
Can ya do a cutright tutorial? I had a look , It might take a few fails to get the holes right
@GediSpock
@GediSpock 4 жыл бұрын
people who can't use knives say "always cut away from you" but if you know what you are doing. cutting towards you is the best way for trimming flooring. takes skill and experience though.
@mattyhirst
@mattyhirst 4 жыл бұрын
I see you didn’t lay the flooring before the timber work, makes the decorating easier I suppose. What expansion gap did they leave/recommend?
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
No expansion gap in this flooring. It compresses.
@cornsiecornsie
@cornsiecornsie 4 жыл бұрын
Robin what are pro’s and con’s with having a remote floor probe instead of using the actual stat? Perfect timing with the video for us as we need to decide on UFH design, Cheers Richard
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
The room stat measures air temperature and it will close the circuit down but it could be set at 30 degs cent for the air and the floor could be running at 40 or even 50 deg cent. The floor probe is a limit stat. The low temperature is also needed on timber floors. The only one you can turn up high is ceramic tiles.
@neilmartin3556
@neilmartin3556 4 жыл бұрын
Richard Corns You have both, the remote probe is making sure the temp in the floor does not go too high, usually 27. The thermostat is in the controller to monitor room temp, what ever you have set to.
@Ninefingers1986
@Ninefingers1986 Жыл бұрын
great video. which van Gogh is it?
@scottedwards5910
@scottedwards5910 4 жыл бұрын
Kardine and amtico are the same to fit hes a propper fitter though just wants to get job done and get home for a stella my man 😂😂
@rolli7489
@rolli7489 4 жыл бұрын
Hi could you recommend a linoleum brand to use?
@tomhilditch3882
@tomhilditch3882 2 жыл бұрын
Whats the control setup for the UFH and Heat source?
@paulliddell2517
@paulliddell2517 4 жыл бұрын
If the timber floor is fitted properly you would have no problems at all with it 🤔
@WatchingTheo
@WatchingTheo 4 жыл бұрын
Karndean is max 27 degrees with UFH. What temp will you run the flow temp for the UFH at the manifold? Thanks
@breslinh
@breslinh 3 жыл бұрын
Also would like to know👍
@richowen2054
@richowen2054 4 жыл бұрын
Is this being layer straight on to your screed or self leveling? There's no underlay, just high temp adhesive to solid surface? Thank you
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
yes it is stuck to the self leveller
@thecentralscrutiniser8529
@thecentralscrutiniser8529 3 жыл бұрын
I was interested to hear in the video that Karndean have done something about sensitivity to sunlight. I have Karndean throughout my house, and it has seriously discoloured due to bleaching by sunlight in just a couple of years. I don't know how to upload an image of it, but I can tell you that my flooring is now bright green instead of the warm oak wood tone that it should be. Karndean have offered to replace my flooring as a "goodwill gesture" but I will now have days of disruption to remove the existing flooring and have it replaced with the new planks - and I am having to pay for this work to be done myself because Karndean couldn't trace the original purchase of the flooring (which was fitted before I bought the house) so they didn't cover it under their guarantee. I would urge caution for anyone wishing to fit Karndean flooring anywhere that receives a lot of direct sunlight. Prepare for it to become bright green!
@martinknight9027
@martinknight9027 4 жыл бұрын
Recently done my kitchen diner extension in lvt around 60m and initially I couldnt speak Highly enough about it but found with a busy family it marks far too easily for my liking and it's only 5 month old
@billycarter9448
@billycarter9448 4 жыл бұрын
Also rubbish with heat expansion
@supernoodle48
@supernoodle48 4 жыл бұрын
I guess it wasn't Karndean then? I had it installed in my kitchen diner 13 years ago. The room gets used a lot and always has kids traipsing in and out with filthy shoes. Even now there's only a few marks in it and you don't see them unless looking for them. I'm looking at replacing all my wood floors with Karndean.
@vaniv2886
@vaniv2886 2 жыл бұрын
@@supernoodle48 did the floor decolourise like many are saying we are planning to get ours done ...going for glue down
@supernoodle48
@supernoodle48 2 жыл бұрын
@@vaniv2886 There is a small area just on the inside of a fully glazed door. That does get the sun most of the day and I guess the rays have really blasted that spot. The rest of the floor has no noticeable discolouration.
@Daniells1982
@Daniells1982 4 жыл бұрын
Do you intend to run a mastic bead around the perimeter, floor to skirting, or are you happy that the scribe to the skirtings as a finished job?
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
The scribe is very tight. If you watch them bevel the back it makes it pliable and that squeezes it. Have a look at our other Karndean videos.
@Daniells1982
@Daniells1982 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I thought it could probably do without and running a seal round just creates a maintenance problem in my opinion. Thanks for the reply Roger and Robin's place looks great. I've really enjoyed the videos. Take care.
@ryannholtt
@ryannholtt 4 жыл бұрын
The Karndean click is amazing though you don't need a level floor and it will last forever
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
We have just laid some, it is great but you do need a level floor unless it is the Palio Core which incorporates a cushion.
@johnclowes3894
@johnclowes3894 3 жыл бұрын
Great looking floor. Question. Do you glue these Lino strips down? If not why not? If not, wouldn’t water get under them when mopping?
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 3 жыл бұрын
Hi John These ones are stuck down and that is common but you can also buy loose lay which is a better product because you can move the tiles (strips) around to even out wear. As for mopping the tiny bit of water from a wrung out mop will evaporate through the joins. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jauwqIuAgNSar68
@johnclowes3894
@johnclowes3894 3 жыл бұрын
@@SkillBuilder Thanks for the info. One more question if I may. Are those in vid self adhesive or do you have to use glue?
@fireblaster9961
@fireblaster9961 4 жыл бұрын
Looks good that loose lay flooring isn’t cheap though
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
You are right but this is glue down as opposed to loose lay. I think the loose lay is much thicker
@samsamm777
@samsamm777 4 жыл бұрын
Sharpes quoted me over 10k for a wardrobe half that size!
@noskills9577
@noskills9577 4 жыл бұрын
I think robin got his cost and profit mixed up there 😃
@identitywithheld1027
@identitywithheld1027 3 жыл бұрын
The price of the material is a testament to marketing
@johncoppock3823
@johncoppock3823 4 жыл бұрын
(Got Karndean at home - better half insisted no wood) Was surprised as a wood expert for you to be promoting it. One really important point - the subfloor needs to be perfect, it will show up any irregularities being flexible. Noted fitters bevelling the edge but assume that just on the ends butting the wall? So is it true it can only be put down by approved fitters? ( nothing wrong with that ). It is also expensive? but would you say good long term value ?
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
The bevelled edge just gives it a bit of flexibility on the edge where it compresses against the skirting. We have plenty of videos on fitting it and the Palio collection is suitable for general builders, kitchen fitters etc.
@deanmarshall1270
@deanmarshall1270 4 жыл бұрын
I paid £3000 for a set of 3 wardrobes about 8 years ago from Hammond. Top quality but it ain't cheap.
@davidproudlove160
@davidproudlove160 4 жыл бұрын
Robin, please tell me what the Floor is like after the floor has been down for a while with the underfloor heating. Check it around where you have your kitchen units sat on it. I’ve had trouble with joints opening and contracting in these positions, this is with another brand of floor.
@mcallister8893
@mcallister8893 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like the wrong adhesive may have been used
@mutleyr5437
@mutleyr5437 4 жыл бұрын
Either wrong adhesive or not enough of it, often see lazy fitters who dont notch their trowels properly
@davidosullivan3432
@davidosullivan3432 3 жыл бұрын
you say its bonded down , with what? is adhesive already on material l? or is it applied to floor?
@lewishunt6133
@lewishunt6133 3 жыл бұрын
It's glued using high temperature or pressure sensitive adhesive using an a2 trowel. The guy laying the floor is dry fitting without glue and will go back and glue a few rows at a time as the lvt has to be layed into wet ht adhesive. If you glued up the whole room the glue would have dried up by the time you layed a few rows
@TranceMusicEventsUK
@TranceMusicEventsUK 4 жыл бұрын
Never been a fan of LVT, im just a sucker for real wood flooring. I get what you say about the span being an issue, would gluing the floor down not solve these issues?
@jacobporter4623
@jacobporter4623 4 жыл бұрын
can't advise that unless you want it to split! wood needs to expand and contract, expansion joints are built into the flooring to an extent. I have used water down pva to stick back down old bits of parquet floor that's lifted in the past but with the glue centred in the middle of the piece but I'd only do that on localised areas. I'll be rebuilding my extension in the future and I think I might move away from wood to something like this
@wally12345ist
@wally12345ist 4 жыл бұрын
Hi robin Please tell me the dark blue colour in that room I love it ,I'd like it for mine Kind regards Watch all your carpentry do you need an apprentice lol Thanks
@budj1e
@budj1e 3 жыл бұрын
BM Newburyport Blue, FB Stiffkey Blue or C&R Payne's Grey. BM the best!
@JayG2K
@JayG2K 3 ай бұрын
is that the palio loose lay stuff?
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 3 ай бұрын
no
@JACKATTACKED
@JACKATTACKED 4 жыл бұрын
👍
@mutleyr5437
@mutleyr5437 4 жыл бұрын
I think you guys are nuts using an anhydrate screed with UFH, that's just asking for trouble
@MrBez007
@MrBez007 4 жыл бұрын
How come ?
@BODGE71
@BODGE71 4 жыл бұрын
What's the subflooring?
@simonclifton8056
@simonclifton8056 4 жыл бұрын
Its anhydrite slurry, there's a whole video of it going down a few episodes ago in this Capel series, mixed on site
@BODGE71
@BODGE71 4 жыл бұрын
@@simonclifton8056 I saw that video but I didn't think that the flooring guys would bond the flooring using high temp adhesive instead of an epoxy.
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
Bodge 71 There is a cement based self leveller over the anhydrite screed.
@Djw92
@Djw92 4 жыл бұрын
How is it bonded down ? Certainly flying through it
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
they take it up and lay adhesive.
@BODGE71
@BODGE71 4 жыл бұрын
It will depend on what he's bonding the floor to which wasn't mentioned in the video but he did say he was using a high temperature adhesive.
@Djw92
@Djw92 4 жыл бұрын
You prime the whole floor with it first then ?
@mcallister8893
@mcallister8893 4 жыл бұрын
@@Djw92they lay the floor dry first without adhesive then lift a few rows at a time to latch the adhesive and stick it back down
@brianbarber1728
@brianbarber1728 4 жыл бұрын
How is this stuck, was the guy just laying this loose in the video...I’m not a floor layer just wanted to know how this is stuck down
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
The whole floor is laid dry and then a couple of rows are taken up and the gluing starts. They works their way across the floor like that. It separates the cutting from the gluing.
@tradecnc
@tradecnc 2 жыл бұрын
3 days !
@darrenb3214
@darrenb3214 4 жыл бұрын
The last 4 pieces he put down, he put the two small pieces at the end near the window. I thought flooring was meant to be staggered, so the lines are broken, no?
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
That is fine. The minimum stagger is 150mm
@Marty7787
@Marty7787 4 жыл бұрын
Going to be hard under foot, I'd have gone carpet everywhere with tiles for the kitchen personally. Does look great.
@ShirazChanawala
@ShirazChanawala 4 жыл бұрын
Is this same as Amtico flooring.
@garnhamr
@garnhamr 4 жыл бұрын
yes
@Goodwithwood69
@Goodwithwood69 3 жыл бұрын
Sharps price £1800 per liniar meter! So i'd tripple that Sharps estimate!
@smurfman691
@smurfman691 4 жыл бұрын
Would have been nice if they explained the flooring type a bit more, never heard of this
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
Plenty of videos on our channel on Karndean LVT
@iancleeve5250
@iancleeve5250 4 жыл бұрын
Hi could please me us know the wardrobe door manufacturer.
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Ian this is Cutwrights work maybe google them or check the link in the description
@da_great_mogul
@da_great_mogul 4 жыл бұрын
Is this Robin's personal residence?
@robthesamplist
@robthesamplist 4 жыл бұрын
It will be yes, hes been building it for centuries - bit like that cathedral in spain :D
@ToffeeApple
@ToffeeApple 4 жыл бұрын
I’m constantly thinking of head...annoys the wife something rotten!
@Filmchippy
@Filmchippy 4 жыл бұрын
Sharps would be way more than what you said Robin and it would be rubbish. Hate it when I see customers that have had them in.
@trinitylutheranchurch9163
@trinitylutheranchurch9163 Жыл бұрын
6
@ryannholtt
@ryannholtt 4 жыл бұрын
Once all the gear is inside the property, give it time to adapt to the environment then go ahead
@tomearnshaw8532
@tomearnshaw8532 4 жыл бұрын
I've been watching this build and the workmanship is top notch. I'm 65 and been in the game all my life and the thing that concerns me is you look fucked it's no good if your not here to enjoy. Slow down.
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
Lockdown has forced that slow-down. He is a lot more relaxed now. I am sure in years to come Robin will look back on these videos and wonder how he survived.
@darrenhutchinson5435
@darrenhutchinson5435 4 жыл бұрын
Lucky for me I waited to comment, about wood floor, sorry mate, 😤🤔🤔👍
@rdy4trvl
@rdy4trvl 4 жыл бұрын
Can anyone recommend a USA or USA west coast based company like Cutwrights?
@heriothandyman3148
@heriothandyman3148 4 жыл бұрын
So a lot of these products say need to keep below 27°c, with maxes around 30°-35°.. yet as you mention, it’s going to be sat in the sun and on a summers day, south facing floor could get up to +40°. I’ve a south facing room (screed & UFH) and looking for flooring, no-one (yet) can give a firm answer. Had a few quotes for engineered and vinyls.. No ones willing to say “yup it’ll be fine”. I’ll check this product of yours out.
@billycarter9448
@billycarter9448 4 жыл бұрын
Don’t get quickstep LVT, had issues with heat expanssion
@antoinec1066
@antoinec1066 4 жыл бұрын
This is a pity to put a cheap flexible floor in a nice building... You should have put a dinesen-type floor rather than lino?
@joegroves4695
@joegroves4695 4 жыл бұрын
My old mans a Karndean fitter and its destroyed his body! Very hard wearing trade
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Joe Just to be clear, your father is a floor layer and that has taken its toll. Your comment might be construed as meaning something inherent in the Karndean has injured his health which is presumably not the case.
@joegroves4695
@joegroves4695 4 жыл бұрын
@@SkillBuilder oh no im not trying to put a bad word out at all its just hes been doing flooring for a long time and its took his toll on him, love the videos, watch every one!
@joegroves4695
@joegroves4695 4 жыл бұрын
@@SkillBuilder he started off tiling then went onto refurbishing bathrooms and also does karndean floors
@deanwild4971
@deanwild4971 4 жыл бұрын
That flooring looks wafer thin 🤔
@darrenhutchinson5435
@darrenhutchinson5435 4 жыл бұрын
Scribes
@luke6796
@luke6796 4 жыл бұрын
What happened to the Chippie?? Seems he has turned into a show off.
@laylasmith301
@laylasmith301 3 жыл бұрын
Who the fuck has there heating set to 27
@michaelpalmer937
@michaelpalmer937 4 жыл бұрын
Oh ..it's him again, ..just not got time to watch , or listen
@michaelpalmer937
@michaelpalmer937 4 жыл бұрын
Blaar, blaar, blaar..., blow up my balloon ...look even body ..l am a super man ..
@William1st
@William1st 2 жыл бұрын
Not a big fan of products that pretend to be other materials, like lino that looks like wood.
@SkillBuilder
@SkillBuilder 2 жыл бұрын
Funny that because I have always considered imitations a bit naff but these floors are very popular so, form Karndean's perspective they are doing the right thing.
@jessecompestine7861
@jessecompestine7861 4 ай бұрын
Karndean is one of the worst companies there is. They do not stand behind anything. Gapping issues, to finish issues. You'll never get a rep to come look at it. I loved it 20 yrs. ago. They got issues. Great job installing not on you. Don't go Karndean there's better companies out there. They all got same stuff.
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