Karumonix, the Rat King - Historic Brawl - MTG Arena

[@hachnslay]

22:55 - "i'm gonna throw the towel to save everyone some time. " Your opponent with the attack with 20 creatures quest: "I should have just attacked."

[@rwaszczuk]

My thought pattern: Opponent is tapped out with no fliers to block my fliers. Skip to Attack phase, attack with all for lethal to win the match. Opponent's thought pattern: I'mma gonna mutate a creature, just so I can see all those pretty scry 1 on the stack... this is gonna be fun!

[@electric_dream_machine]

Thats not the play pattern of someone who has a quest or is at all mindful of other people's time for that matter.

[@LeFerret335]

20:28 "And yeah that's not looking great for us" understatement of the week

[@_Fabian_]

RATS RATS WE'RE THE RATS

[@MrHat.]

WE PREY AT NIGHT, WE STALK AT NIGHT. WE'RE THE RATS

[@piercearora7681]

@@MrHat. I'M THE GIANT RAT THAT MAKES ALL OF THE RULES

[@LookADistarction]

MICHAEL IT’S YOUR BIRTHDAY TODAY CAKE AND ICE-CREAM IS ON ITS WAY

[@ahobbo6401]

At the end of Match 3 28:20~ I appreciate you actually going in and telling us why someone may have surrendered. It makes magic more accessible imo.

[@rwaszczuk]

It seems the key issue here is the fact that the Rat Colony is a glass cannon. Artifacts that provide lifelink or trample probably would have been helpful in getting past token creature blockers and keeping you alive, especially for the card draw enchantments that cost health. Just a thought.

[@LegenVD]

Could see Shadowspear making the cut!

[@jmdamas]

After endless months of watching LVD, I finally watched him conceding a game

[@yogarip]

This deck is quite strong when it get's going (and it get's going very consistently) and it also seems extremely budget friendly for paper commander deck. I wonder if there are some worthy inclusions (that are not covered by MTGArena) for a Commander deck. Seems like a great addition to my Commander Deck's collection. :) Thanks for all the hard work and great ideas man. Been a follower/fan for years, and find myself extremely grateful for all the joy this community has given me. It's a pleasure to be part of it.

[@AkodoNoEyes]

The Rat Colony is 5-6 on TCGPlayer.

[@LegenVD]

I also looked up Rat Colony prices out of curiosity and they're not as cheap as I would like. Makes me consider opening Dominaria packs just to get them!

[@yogarip]

@@AkodoNoEyes

[@yogarip]

@@LegenVD 🤣Guess i gotta get the printer out again.

[@AkodoNoEyes]

@@LegenVD yeah not cheap enough. And finding them online in bulk is a problem. As most stores only have 4 at most 🤓😭🥹🥲 But I’m paper we have Thruming Stone

[@anthonyromeo9875]

It's all about that rat lifestyle. Got a chuckle out of me!

[@MidgarMerc]

The rare LVD concede. Opponent was basically just playing solitaire at that point

[@SUACEMASTER]

Piper of the swarm would be a great inclusion in this deck. It gives all your rats menace as well as letting you gain control of creatures like their commander

[@SUACEMASTER]

And you just explained why you didn't play it. I should wait a little before commenting lol

[@Big_Dai]

​@@SUACEMASTER just delete the comment

[@SUACEMASTER]

@@Big_Dai never

[@snekula5353]

It could be a consideration if you don't have enough wild cards... or just add another rat colony XD

[@ttmmggcc]

“Play rat… drain for one…” new mantra.. 😂

[@matthewsanchez7953]

Gotta love it when an opponent doesn't just take the obvious clean win and instead decides to put another 30 triggers on the stack to waste everyone's time lol.

[@Big_Dai]

Yes! But.. they might also be a content creator, and showing the deck go off (much like how LVD does sometimes). Imagine it is the FIRST time their deck wins and they just want to enjoy it. It still sucks, though.

[@dancemattdanceify]

sometimes you just have to do all the things just cause you can do them :p

[@briankenney9528]

One time i thought i had a clean win but it ended up being a blunder that lost me the game

[@HexQuesTT]

I think this is the 1st time I've seen LVD concede

[@michaelcook7377]

Yeah, I've watched for about a year now and I had to rewind just to make sure I saw correctly

[@hoodiegal]

cool deck! I played against a Marrow-gnawer + Rat Colony deck yesterday and it was quite an experience. I love the Wickerwing Effigy, not only is it really good in this deck, but thematically it turns the rats into bats :D

[@LegenVD]

Yes! Effigy is super sweet.

[@haveiszalfaroqie1628]

What are bats if not just rats but with wings :D

[@dwightharris8418]

I would include Mirror Box so all Rat colonies buff them selfs also in defense.

[@LegenVD]

It was close to making the cut, although the bar is pretty high for non-rat cards.

[@Legov7]

Another great deck! Love that you successfully used the rat colonie gimmick, but you still put other interesting cards in the deck to make it faster. And the scarecrow seems really great.

[@jaredshumate1]

Echoing it is a really nice card I didn't even realize that card was out there I might have to throw that in mine deck thank you looks really powerful

[@llongone2]

Mutate vs. Rats game was bonkers!

[@CyberBuster93]

Awwww I love this deck Luca!!! You're the best, man!!!

[@ARedJoker]

“There’s goin to be more, don’t worry,” legend says when one of his rats was removed.

[@AutkastKain]

I love cards that change your deck building constraints

[@piotrbuda6436]

Strange feeling on one hand i got in to Legenda video on the other with a random netdeck pile. Wish it was with my pet Nahiri dumpsterfire that i started all the way back when it was 60 card brawl.

[@jaepalm1196]

Rats, rats, we're the rats. We prey at night, We stalk the night, We're the rats! LVD's the giant rat that makes all the rules!

[@OogaB0oga]

where's that from?

[@Trix_Rabbit]

Solid guide and video. Very well explained and informative for new players. I feel like theres a few rat cards that are a must run in rat decks though. Nashi & Okiba Gang are insanely strong. If you have excess mana, discarding 2 of their cards is massive, as well as playing something of yours/theirs with Nashi. Drainpipe and burglar rat to make then discard a card is very strong also. Blightbelly rat for 1 more toxic & prolif is always worth it imo too. These 5 rats all have the 'rat' tag anyways, plus you still have 35 Rat Colony which is ample. 🐀 Changeling outcast is insane for 1 mana and is a common. He also cant be blocked. Would highly recommend that guy too. Pillar of Origins is solid, as is Adaptive Automaton in case you overlooked or forgot about those.

[@LegenVD]

Thanks! Looked at all of those but still decided against them. The Ninjutsu rats are not always the easiest to enable and without it they aren't impactful enough. Having 1-drops for curve can be nice, but with my plan of aggressively mulling into ramp or a cost reducer it's less of a concern. Don't really care about the Toxic from Karumonix so prefer another Colony over Blightbelly. Pillar is a bit too limiting since it doesn't ramp into some of the more expensive cards and that can be a huge drawback. The one card I retroactively added was Shadowspear for some Trample and Lifegain, suits our 40 Colony plan quite well.

[@Trix_Rabbit]

@@LegenVD Ok sweet, this all makes perfect sense now. Appreciate the explanation on each of them, now I understand I was wrong with my thought process and goal with the deck, and the Colony Rats are just better. I figured it was going for toxic, so thanks for also stating its more about damage, and that Karumonix is essentially the rat card draw mechanism. Really stoked to be playing rats in general. I'm about clone your deck and play a few hours with it! 🐀 Look forward to more guides and unique stuff like this in the future!

[@ScottyZee33]

It's not every day you hear someone say "Give me those flying rats."

[@thcdreams654]

Mono Rats that's funny as hell man. Thanks for the awesome content.

[@LlywellynOBrien]

MTG promo materials and players: "Magic is a very sophisticated game with deep lore and world building as well as great strategic depth and gameplay" Me: *Watches an army of swoll rats ram into an army of beetle-spider-bird-deer cfeatures*

[@Improperman]

I love Karumonix

[@tannernorton4679]

“Nyeeh! I’ve been up here for three weeks…and there’s rats! And they’re nibbling my toenails!”

[@jonathantl7553]

There are some fun things to work with in MtGA. I'm pretty sure rat colony is one of these ♥️

[@Guevon_Pajaro]

this is an awesome deck. this is the rare moment I went and crafted it. its also pretty budget with the common pack rats. sweet and busted tribe, they're always annoying lol. XD

[@timothygalvin3021]

Game 2 was fun to watch.

[@AllegroRubato]

LVD got ratatouille’d

[@ExaDat]

Rats, rats, we're the rats We prey at night, we stalk at night, we're the rats I'm the giant rat that makes all of the rules Let's see what kind of trouble we can get ourselves into

[@ilikeapplepi]

Always enjoy seeing relentless decks in action. Did you consider Mirror Box for the Rat Colony toughness boost?

[@LegenVD]

It was close to making the cut, although the bar is pretty high for non-rat cards.

[@Lenomindiqunestpasvalidenestpa]

I thought the same thing. Mirror Box is an excellent artifact for this deck.

[@benjamin986]

I want a historic brawl deck that plays the opponents cards against them 😈

[@bobby_tablez]

MTGGoldfish's video: "Playing Our Opponent's Deck with Gix in Historic Brawl" perhaps?\

[@benjamin986]

@@bobby_tablez I’ll check it out, thanks!! 😄

[@LeMuzi]

respect to player 2...havent seen a mutate deck in a while

[@OmegaUberDeathbot]

Weeeeell hell I thought my deck was unique. Now I see this. A few of your cards are different.

[@CyberBuster93]

49:34 Watching Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs like

[@Wintercide]

Rats are one of my instant concedes on Arena. Hate playing against them 😒 🤣

[@YouAnd_OnlyYou]

The Rataclysm has begun.

[@firstthessalonian6889]

I found the expensive non-rat cards to be a bit too much. I didnt feel a need to lower the rat spell cost since it is a real low cost anyways. I also put in a lot more removal spells. Breezing through the games, great for farming wins.

[@briankenney9528]

I like mukotai ambusher in my rat deck

[@charlieday7731]

My favorite person from American history? Samuel Rattams.

[@rafaelpardinifariabastos4545]

Nice vídeo man :)

[@hobobeard]

I regularly play rats in actual edh. Honestly, I think Relentless Rats is still a better choice than Rat Colony. That single point of toughness comes up more often that you might expect.

[@FinetalPies]

I think the 50 (or 100%) mana cost increase (once a discount is in effect) is probably not worth it. However the real limiting factor is that Relentless Rats isn't legal in Brawl (I don't think it exists on MTG:A at all)

[@FinetalPies]

Actually you did say for EDH, and yeah I'd agree, having a board of X/1's makes you even easier to wipe in a wipe-heavy format

[@rubencp93]

50:15 I think the difference is isnt really a rules interaction, it's just doing exactly what it should. Pack Rat's original Power/Toughness is */*, but with Effigy is becomes base 1/1, so the * text (Power and Toughness are each equal to the number of Rats you control) - even thought it's still there - it doesnt take effect since Pack Rat is now 1/1, not a */*. Rat Colony, on the other hand, is a 2/1 with the +1/+0 text, so if it becomes a 1/1 thanks to Effigy, it'll always grow. Emphasis on "I think"!

[@FinetalPies]

I feel like its ability sets it as an */*, then the other ability applies afterwards to override it to a 1/1. It's a matter of ordering

[@FinetalPies]

Basically, * /* isn't really a statline, it's just telling you to refer to the card text, and that card text is still being applied, but in such a way that it's immediately overwritten

[@GoaCrystal4]

nice video❤

[@rdgcury]

These rats provide lotta value.

[@goose8580]

I hit a rat colony deck with curse of silence and he scooped instantly

[@LegenVD]

While testing the deck someone played a Curse but they made the mistake if naming Karumonix.

[@kebo4660]

Love your RAT decks! You're the greatest!

[@NStripleseven]

ratman has arrived

[@csmead209]

Do you have the 🧀 cheese 🧀? Yes, yes we do.

[@harrisontaylor8322]

22:17 What is the enemy’s deck. I want it. I love the mutate effect with a burning passion but I’ve never found that interesting of a commander. Help me plz….lol

[@MrTy-cq2wc]

You should add mirror box it make so all your rat colony become a pack rat

[@AkodoNoEyes]

Could you do an updated Astor list with all the new equipment and such from the past few sets?

[@LegenVD]

Would have to go with a different commander to keep things interesting.

[@AkodoNoEyes]

@@LegenVD fair. But I’d love an updated commander equipment deck. I’d pay to see it. Hahah. Is there a patreon?

[@hyperion9934]

The Bladehold war whip and the creature bladegraft aspirant are amazing includes. In fact, all the For Mirrodin equipment in the colors are really good since you can easily end up with equip 0 so you buff up your main attacker and still have an extra creature to pivot to as a blocker. Also get Quietus Spike. It gives deathtouch and whenever the equipped creature deals damage to a player that player looses half their life. So add in a source of trample (team pendant is a good one) and a source of doublestrike (Bladehold war whip) and you can cause copious amounts of pain that is nearly unblockable.

[@AkodoNoEyes]

@@hyperion9934 those are some good options. I’m going to play around with his Astor list. There’s also a few cards from the new Phyrexia Alchemy set that would be good with it.

[@LegenVD]

@@AkodoNoEyes I offer decklist feedback as one of the Patreon rewards for the Mythic tier.

[@shnorkeythefourth4572]

Is it worth cutting one rat to include the shadow spear to make one big colony trample and offset the life loss from card draw engines?

[@LegenVD]

Could be decent!

[@amarauk9687]

The real challenge is to find all 40 rat colony in any LGS

[@FoxySkulk]

Interested in building this deck irl for home games but need decent replacements for key to the archive, faceless agent, and wickerwing effigy. Any ideas or things that worked well in place of them?

[@LegenVD]

Once you’re no longer limited to cards on Arena there’s way more cards to choose from. I suggest looking for inspiration on EDHRec or doing research on Scryfall using the advanced search function.

[@shacharronzohar6960]

Kinda sad to still see a TCGPlayer ad with all the union busting they did / are doing

[@LegenVD]

I support their efforts but the union specifically asked not to boycott.

[@shacharronzohar6960]

@@LegenVD I didn't know that, that's great to hear, keep doing you!

[@leimad13]

I like big rats and I cannot lie! GGs.

[@mightyhulk1483]

Noooo you need to run secret salvage the next time u run a deck like this it’s so fun

[@mightyhulk1483]

Well actually it’s not actually that synergistic with this commander, disregard

[@larrychatfield]

wonder if there's a way that you play a card "gives trample" that you could tutor to get as long as it was good by itself?

[@LegenVD]

I’ve added Shadowspear to the deck now!

[@JonathanJJZ]

I used to play ranked historic with a monoblack deck that had 15 swamps and 45 rat colony xD

[@josephmeltzer2726]

Did you ever run into maelstrom pulse?

[@JonathanJJZ]

@@josephmeltzer2726 can't remember, but definitely ran into ixalan's biding, runed halo or any other card that gave them protection against rats and the game was over xD

[@llamarama6976]

Will the jumpstart set be put on arena eventually? Because if so this would be a great one to revisit with ashcoat

[@nitiratp]

As a Nitirat, I approve.

[@austind7232]

Yessss I was waiting for this!

[@joggingmanc5383]

I feel like this video is gonna have a good RATing

[@JRandall0308]

Can we get RATT to make a theme-song for this deck?

[@sniff494]

It would be fitting with the way lvd ran Round and Round the competition

[@paulocampino5045]

Do i need to craft 40 rat colony or just having a playset will enable me to add aditional copies to the deck? I'm really low on commons wildcards cause i use them to progress vault and don't know how mtg arena handles this.

[@theiceknight]

Once you get 4 copies the game will show an infinite sign and you will be able to use as many as you want

[@paulocampino5045]

@@theiceknight Thx for the help friend.

[@tritier]

Goblin Token Rush Vs Rats

[@Joshua-zh9ct]

i wanna build this deck so bad but its like 120$ for all the rat colonys alone... 116/10 will build eventually

[@Finnigan28]

Avocado made LVD concede, that's not very common

[@spumy_plughole1191]

I recomend mirror box

[@pk10006]

Ratilicious

[@thrillhouse4151]

40 rats!!!! I only have like 30 and I keep cutting them for removal, then again I’m using the new Jumpstart Rat Shaman.

[@davestier6247]

It's no squeak-ret that LVD historic brawl content provides a ratastrophic swarm of value

[@TheScorpjp]

rats rats we're the rats we prey at night we stalk at night we're the rats

[@Battleguild]

Bubonic Plague

[@Gada101]

Brawl only requires 60 cards, why use 100?

[@Malverde888]

No Icon of Ancestry?

[@LegenVD]

It was close to making the cut and had it in previous builds, but Rat King provides most of the card draw we need and Icon is quite expensive to activate. The bar for every non-Rat card is just very high.

[@DarkRa64]

even as a Pestcontroller i wouldnt do something against this infestation

[@LegenVD]

Haha!

[@thechristopherous789]

Seen a few people playing this recently, kinda nice since I've been playing Tasha

[@Gnocchi10000]

Rats.

[@dgsdf9749]

The description of the video is the one from the Elesh Norn video...

[@LegenVD]

Fixed!

[@lukesdewhurst]

Voyage and nykthos?

[@LegenVD]

Had Voyage in the deck but ended up cutting it since we don't always get to the 7 mana required. The discount artifacts are great for casting rats but not for other expensive cards. Nykthos could be decent, it's a tradeoff with Stronghold.

[@lukesdewhurst]

@@LegenVD tbf I made the comment after watching the deck tech and when your playing a rat every turn you certainly dont have time to be fortelling and later casting voyage. Nykthos though pays for itself with just the commander while stronghold barely broke even in any of the games you showed. Great video though, thanks!

[@LegenVD]

@@lukesdewhurst Potential issue with Nykthos is early game when you have a cost reducer out it doesn't make black mana to cast a Rat. At least with Stronghold you can filter some black mana even if it doesn't make extra with four Swamps out. There will certainly be moments where Nykthos can be great so it's worth a shot.

[@gabrielrivera6869]

LVD: dont add these cards bc doesnt have the rat type also LVD: added Wickerwing Effigy

[@LegenVD]

Effigy is just too good not to play!

[@joaquintristan4373]

ooo I was hoping you would take a look at this one

[@briankenney9528]

Oh dear god ivy copies mutates?

[@danielguveiyian]

Do you need 40 wildcards to make all those rats?

[@v3rtigo_]

Nope

[@Bowl-Of-Sauce]

Just 4, once you hit 4 copies it lets you put as many as you want in your decks

[@kevinkerwin4118]

Last guy literally had starter deck level tech. Don't like to see it

[@ryanbolson23]

That mutate deck really BMing like that was rough to watch. Such disrespect. Just swing lethal. Like I know you got to pop off, but don’t do it at the expense of other’s time.

[@Big_Dai]

At the expense of other's time.. well, he can't really play alone, now can he? 😅

[@ryanbolson23]

@@Big_Dai you know what I meant by that statement don’t be foolish. The game was over, he had the win, and rather than finishing the game and moving on he drug it out. If you seriously consider what I wrote as “losing isn’t worth a players time” you’re beyond help.

[@EmperorTiberiusII]

@@ryanbolson23 If you're dead on board just concede and move on. Especially in brawl where there is literally nothing on the line

[@ryanbolson23]

@@EmperorTiberiusII but you don’t have to just concede when you think you’ll lose, that’s also disrespectful. That’s like flipping the table at your local game store. The polite thing to do is pass back and allow win, and the polite thing to do is just win. Not pull the rug out and prevent people from playing their deserved win out, and also not wasting the other player’s time. Those are two extremes of the spectrum, hence why both are inappropriate.

[@honestabe411]

You are free to resign in this non-competitive format. It is nothing like flipping a table smdh entitled zoomers

[@pacoroldan1897]

pack rat ! XD

[@eclipsemeadow3496]

That Brokkos player have disappeared from this Earth, for displaying bad mannerisms, despite it's clear he have the game. If he didn't, i will make sure he does again. You can say i breach the guidelines but guidelines is not for A-holes.

[@al0never]

I love your videos ❤️

[@marc-andrepicard8531]

🐀

[@manbagan]

44:58 no banner, only hulk

[@Smokey-bx2xn]

That effigy isn’t a rat… just saying…

[@LegenVD]

But it’s soo good when it gets going that it makes up for it.

[@TrendSettrNick]

You say rat king, I think Theo von. Gang, baby!!

[@MrGreenpaulo]

Rats in historic brawl = no