Katie Couric On Matt Lauer: ‘There Was A Side I Never Knew’

Talking to Savannah Guthrie about her upcoming memoir “Going There,” former TODAY anchor Katie Couric talks about her former co-anchor Matt Lauer, saying “it was really upsetting and disturbing” when Lauer later left the show amid allegations of inappropriate sexual behavior. After doing some of her own investigating, she says, “I think I realized there was a side of Matt I never knew.”
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[@juliesmith9949]

Ann Curry knew. He sidelined Ann Curry. How could anyone not know? There’s a reason he needed to get rid of her, and it wasn’t the ratings…

[@nothwestmovieslike]

Matt did not "sideline" Ann. The Higher Ups at NBC did.

[@andrewDaMack]

@@nothwestmovieslike With the input of Matt. Matt was powerful over there at Today/NBC he had lots of influence.

[@juliesmith9949]

@@nothwestmovieslike yes he did. In the foul mouth adolescent boys club that was a big part of the Today show, Matt Lauer certainly mocked her to her coworkers, especially behind the cameras.

[@geralddiaz4539]

not blaming the victims, but you cant also put accountability who come to work, they have problems of their own, professional and personal...

[@nimueh4298]

@JRUSA Do you work at NBC, how do you know for sure what happened.

[@lf1496]

Matt Lauer is a sleeze. He was horrible to Ann Curry and Tamron Hall

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

Yep which is now the reason Tamron Hall is with ABC. She's got a Tam Fam.

[@meadowgailer5659]

I have a feeling he mistreated Jenna Wolf too. Once I observed a tense on air exchange between them

[@trosa223]

I knew about Anne. what happened to Tamron?

[@Bradleyswagg93]

@@trosa223 she has her own show now on a different channel. i think she quit nbc

[@kirbyd0g]

I call BS on Couric... she's trying to sell a book treading on other's backs.

[@eduardotinajero2901]

welcome to the world of book publishing and capitalism.

[@peanut2us]

Well we have to expect some negative BS coming from pessimistic people including yourself to evaluate the intentions of others.

[@sarahjackson6714]

And I didn’t know who you were Katie until you tried putting your foot on Denzel Washington‘s neck...👩‍💼

[@timothylampel815]

So lol

[@jamesmadison7551]

@@eduardotinajero2901 Love capitalism, its better than the other different economics out there.

[@skauffman]

katie trying to sell a book and not get her hands dirty. She basically admits that she knew. "There was gossip"

[@EverlifeGame]

Everyone knew. Everyone. Anyone who says they didn't know is lying. Source: I work in TV.

[@richrnndz2]

Today and the network owe the public answers, people need to be held accountable and an apology is owed to Ann Curry!

[@erinlee7216]

AMEN!!!

[@jcampton1]

Well next year is their 70th Anniversary so let's wait and see whether or not they invite Ann Curry to the celebrations...

[@rdg6970]

Most importantly to Ann

[@karlc2869]

And also Britney because ML humiliated her on Dateline in '06.

[@tylerch8]

Ok and let’s talk to Ann Curry about this. Be fair Today or you’ll remain guilty.

[@waratah234]

There's no way that Couric didn't know. Ann Curry continues to win at life.

[@codyclaeys2008]

Not everyone is a psychic

[@jjjjjj192]

There's no way none of them did not know!!!! They ignored it for their own advantage!

[@marytheresejacksonlutz2533]

Exactly! She’s a phoney, baloney

[@dwho432]

Katie ignored it to her advantage.. She left when the $hit was hitting the fan. I'm kind of surprised her talk show didn'take it, but that karma!!

[@soupcon4331]

People like this live super compartmentalized lives. Not surprised she didn’t see it.

[@codyclaeys2008]

How do you know she knew

[@dickotto1730]

Everyone on this show knew about Matt for years. They joked about it when the had a roast about his exploits. All liars and hypocrites. So pathetic.

[@nothwestmovieslike]

Of course, they did. Everyone in the Media in NYC knew about Matt and knew about Charlie and others. They all knew Vargas was a drunk also. Everyone in Hollywood knew about Cosby and Weinstein, others. Every politician in Washington knows about each other skeletons, etc,. It is like any workplace in America. They all know about each other dirty laundry, skeletons, etc,. unless they are exposed they keep ongoing or woking like nothing going on. good or bad. otherwise, they will protect each other. usually to get ahead.

[@turkwendell6904]

How funny is it that two people who knew exactly what was going on and really didn't care now have to pretend care for sake of the public who never cared either?

[@austinkjung]

I feel like Jennifer Aniston in The Morning Show was essentially playing Katie Couric

[@utkarshsrivastava7251]

I feel same

[@chriske6795]

Yup

[@plee6223]

I agree with you.

[@2004cyrus]

You got it. That show was created to mimic the today show

[@claudiamoss9363]

She was

[@dianee9289]

Never been a fan of Katie Couric. Even less now.

[@quintxavier]

Everyone knows about the high powered men behaving inappropriately at their workplace. There is no way she did not know and I think she was more focused on her own survival rather than the safety of the other women.

[@Devina210]

Yep, I agree 100%. She was destroying female coworkers in her own way, and Matt was sexually assaulting them

[@kenchambers7137]

Yassss

[@sakinamengle1020]

I was never a fan of Katie Couric. I always thought she was very fake. I was very correct!

[@jamesmedina3271]

She is a phony fake.

[@zzplantlover]

I love that Savannah didn’t take the bait when Katie said “I’ve learned so much and I’m sure you have too”. 👍🏼

[@lornadryden5650]

Savannah tried to cover for Matt too

[@juliesmith9949]

I caught that too. Good for Savannah. Savannah didn’t work with Lauer as long as Katie did

[@brett22bt]

On the contrary, that was a magnificent smackdown by Katie, and all Savannah could do was change the subject to detract from the hypocracy of Savannah's interrogation.

[@dwho432]

@@brett22bt perfectly said

[@brett22bt]

@@dwho432 I Luv how she had a little sip out of her cup after she said it. Like, "Cope That Lady". 😀

[@jsc1970]

There seems to be a-lot of toxicity on the Today Show.

[@susanm9824]

Matt Lauer's behavior could have never been construed as " consensual " in any era, Katie...

[@rvegas81]

Well This kills me because she wrote that book talking about everyobody bad. I was so shocked. I think her and Matt are down at this point.

[@ShowbizPizzaTime2012]

That's why I hate Matt Lauer.

[@pollyannaprinciple5860]

"Kind and generous and considerate" (according to Katie Couric); yet, she didn't notice when he seemed to throw Ann Curry under the bus. Nobody thought it was allegedly disgusting when he was callous toward Ann Curry. These people look the other way and maintain a "friendship" with the powers-that-be until association with that person makes them look bad. Unless Katie plans on putting the money from that book toward the pain and suffering and lost wages of Ann Curry, then that book needs to be recycled.

[@justintime1343]

As if Katie's responsible for Matt's treatment of Ann! Whether or not Matt was "disgustingly" "callous" toward Ann, he was ultimately fired for (allegedly) raping someone - and there's no reason to assume that Katie knew about that. If Ann wants money to assuage her personal "pain & suffering", she can write a book of her own... or perhaps you can set up a GoFundMe account and donate to her yourself.

[@kchild71]

Right! I call BS and people are always saving their own A$$

[@juliesmith9949]

@@justintime1343 Both are good examples of how to be crappy at work. Ann Curry is a sterling human and financially stable. She was treated poorly by NBC

[@justintime1343]

@@juliesmith9949 opines: *"Both are good examples of how to be crappy at work."* "Both" who? Katie & Ann? Matt & Katie? Ann & Matt? Julie Smith continues: *"Ann is a sterling human and financially stable."* Unclear what "financially stable" has to do with being a "sterling human", but if "financially stable" = "sterling human", then Katie, at $100 million net worth, is *TEN TIMES* more "sterling" than Ann, at $10 million net worth.

[@juliesmith9949]

@@justintime1343 Someone made the claim that Ann spoke out because she needed $. If I am mistaken, I stand corrected. No one has accused Ann Curry of an unkindness. In her career choice that’s sterling. Couric’s book has been described as a “ scorched earth “ memoir , so she’s attempting to settle scores. She’s admitted to unprofessional behavior with Ashley Banfield, and others. Matt Lauer was fired. Matt and Katie seem to win the race to the bottom.

[@memeboisvert7907]

I lived through the 90's and it was a different time, but a lech is a lech. She's really frosting over this issue. "No one came to me."

[@juliesmith9949]

They went to Ann Curry, because she has integrity.

[@justice8563]

I call BS, she knew exactly what her pervert friend was doing. She’s no sweetheart either, ask anyone who worked for her or with her.

[@Ras7685]

I agree she know what was going on . They were to close for her not to know .

[@GiovannaAguilar]

💯

[@surlespasdondine]

It's not a woman's job to be a "sweetheart".

[@justice8563]

@@surlespasdondine Couric was perfectly find being called America’s sweetheart and utilized it to the fullest to fill her pockets, so don’t bring that feminism crap to my comment.

[@jsm8149]

Everyone commenting here needs to ask themselves if they have always reported everything they heard rumors about or anything they felt wrong about at work. The reality is that work environments just don’t function that way and that much more the case 15 years ago. I think it is also a little odd to have Guthrie asking these questions of Couric. She enjoyed the same position as Couric, working next to Lauer for years but in a more enlightened era.

[@juliesmith9949]

Ann Curry reported it.

[@juliesmith9949]

Couric worked for 15 years next to Lauer, Guthrie for 5. Guthrie is also a member of the NY Bar . Probably smarter than Couric and Lauer combined.

[@juliesmith9949]

@@poolmilethirty2859 ok . Educated differently

[@fjk77december13]

One callous person can’t call another callous person out. She has no high ground. Trying to save her book. She knew what Matt was like. Everyone did. Both have tremendous egos and are arrogant.

[@kimaltman6919]

@@jgator6694 Exactly my thoughts!

[@kimaltman6919]

Sometimes it’s better to zip your lips on a topic you have no knowledge of. Unless you are a personal acquaintance or ‘friend’, you can only be presumptuous in your insight and that becomes slanderous. Making assumptions based solely off of unfounded ideas and perhaps, personal baggage, is alarming.

[@jgator6694]

@@kimaltman6919 great comment and I agree with you, Kim

[@Sonyag1]

There is no way the rest of the hosts didn't know what was going on. People talk....

[@fitforever22]

BS. She is trying to save her face for not saying anything.

[@meadowgailer5659]

Exactly she knew, and she tried to turn a blind eye how he did Ann Currie dirty.

[@micheal6901]

Becky knew, she's trying to be relevant

[@LC-hd8bp]

The lack of nuance in these comments. The way y'all judge people with such a black/white perspective is so odd. Critical thinking is a good thing, guys.

[@Vejur9000]

Yup.

[@zaram131]

Agree. So tired of everybody thinking they know everything about someone they have no personal relationship with.

[@julieb7785]

Ridiculous that celeb "journalists" feel the need to pen a memoir. Such money grubbers.

[@horseman5212]

But she try to make up something about Denzel Washington Katie Couric is pathetic.🤦🏻🤡

[@cherylb2008]

He was flamboyant and thought he could keep up his perverse behavior. I’m betting that the public never heard the more crude situations he engaged women in. Creep!

[@garyrobertson6778]

Lauer didn't like Ann because she didn't play along with his "other side." Too classy and professional and moral. Meanwhile, Katie giggled on Andy Cohen's show (prior to #metoo and Lauer's firing) that Lauer "smacks my @$$ a alot" when Cohen asked her what her and Lauer's relationship was like off the set.

[@seriousone8030]

Matt's office had a switch (under the desk) that could be used to lock the door remotely. Who installed that switch? He certainly didn't do it himself. And why would he need such a switch? LOTS of people at NBC knew he was doing shady stuff. But he delivered ratings for the network so they looked the other way.

[@bufnyfan1]

this is identical to Bill Cosby during the Cosby Show era (1984-1992)-Cosby would hire female extras with the promise of a role on the show and was in most cases assaulting them--NBC knew this was going on (Cosby's own personal assistant admitted as much) and yet because the Cosby Show was such a "cash cow" for the network they looked the other way

[@seriousone8030]

@@bufnyfan1 Yes. The Cosby Show kept NBC afloat, so the execs didn't dare say a word. The documentary on Cosby gives details regarding how he got away with it for so long.

[@lillylemur167]

Isn’t that was leftist libs do?

[@joshua9073]

Oh the famous button?

[@chiedu90069]

Both Katie and Savannah (and frankly all of them) are liars out to protect their careers. They all knew.

[@kathyfriday3402]

I wont be buying her book

[@timothylampel815]

We don’t care lol

[@katherineschmidt1538]

Why now Katie??? Not a fan of hers! Just selling a book that will end up at the dollar store!!!

[@kirbyd0g]

exactly my thought.

[@nelixsulu6201]

Folks think just because you rub elbows with someone everyday at work, means you know EVERYTHING about them! Why do you think people are shocked when their former coworkers comes to the job and shoots the place up? You just NEVER KNOW about someone

[@tamarakorb]

So true and that's why I feel social anxiety at work x)

[@shaniaday2739]

I feel like there are always signs though. People just brush them off as if those signs don't mean anything. More than likely he was flirty in a playful way and folks were probably like 'Oh that's just Matt'. Not saying that is exact but a lot of times we people just blow off a little temper tantrum or a flirtation personality. Just saying.

[@shaniaday2739]

But you right about you just never known. It's extremely possible that people hide every little small detail about themselves.

[@robinmiller5256]

Just remember Chris watts...did anyone think he would do something like that?

[@maxwellhyllton4999]

Exactly, instead of pointing fingers people should realize that people can be backstabbers like Matt, He stabbed most of the crew in their back by doing this because the crew lost a good friend, co-worker and now people are putting blame on them.

[@Boris82much]

Ruthless, mean, vindictive Katie. Throwing her ex-partner under the bus cause she has a book to sell.

[@carmenwilley8858]

Not so. I am sure selling a book is not going to make her a millionaire. This is HER story and she spent a lot of time on Today Show and I am sure has interesting stories (of other things).

[@Boris82much]

@@carmenwilley8858 I say she's mean and vindictive. My opinion.

[@josephcox736]

@@Boris82much I agree with you.

[@juliesmith9949]

@@Boris82much And Matt Lauer cheating on his wife isn’t ruthless, mean?

[@Boris82much]

@@juliesmith9949 Not sure where you're going with this, but Matt Lauer in my book is a sexual deviant. I just offered what I thought about Couric and her 'holier than thou' attitude.

[@susisiebert6664]

How our hearts should go out to Ann Curry …. Katie Couric knew… you can just tell

[@tonyausten2168]

Imagine Matt watching this? Its a Blue print definition of the coarse saying that involves "throwing" & "Bus" LOL

[@rhyancoleman6462]

We have no relationship. It's officially over.

[@ericanthonylopezofficial]

And on morning show right now Jen Aniston Character (Alex Levy) is writing and book and saying she she knows nothing. I wonder if the players/writers/producers learned via industry talk that Katie was writing a book and they integrated that in. That show nearly predicts the future in there scenarios

[@blackice112]

There are plenty of interview videos of him being a creep to women everyone knew he was in appropriate

[@antonybrown432]

Hey Miss Katie couric my name is Anthony Brown I'm from St Louis Missouri I have nothing but respect for you you always been a beautiful person in spirit and very respectful

[@mrs.o.3671]

Every workplace has the ones who are insecure so they go along and giggle..then we have the ones holding a knife behind their back.

[@danlev9178]

Complete bs. She's just trying to sell her book

[@MichelePernerBlum]

So are you for saying that Dan

[@jujubees711]

Ashton and Mila really need to see this interview. How a good friend and colleague can be with you one way, and have another side to them. I commend Katie (she is a journalist) for seeking the truth. It must be so weird for journalists when they are the news.

[@jessiejoseph1093]

I knew he was icky they day he put his feet on the coffee table, in loafers and no socks, on national tv. I knew then he was feeling himself a bit too much. His sense of entitlement was showing, and so was his lack of propriety. I wonder if we looked back and noted the date of that show we might find it was one of the days he assaulted someone. He reeked of icky that day, I could feel it through the tv screen.

[@tyler6320]

"reeked of icky" 💀💀

[@peacelife]

Most the time they chose who to show the bad sides to. That usually someone who is either lower ranking, subordinate, weaker, no authority, new, no presentation and etc. He is not gonna do that to people like Katie or already famous. People like him like to be in control.

[@fredhugard7444]

Of course he did it in front of Katie....she didn't give a f**k...well not until his behavior starting affecting her bank account...

[@juliesmith9949]

Right on. She didn’t care about the way any subordinates were treated

[@gypsymom0819]

She knew! Everyone knew what was going on they just didn't care. Ann Curry did and look what happened to her.

[@MrScottwurth]

Ah, so powerful when you don't get to hear the other half of the story

[@MichelePernerBlum]

At least Katie and the show addressed it!

[@woo3131]

Was that necessary to say about Matt, Katie???

[@timothylampel815]

I’d say yes

[@woo3131]

@@timothylampel815 It really was not!

[@debrafirestone861]

I don’t understand how she couldn’t know it people always show their true colors

[@stardustring]

She probably liked him too.

[@jeandavis2057]

I remembered Matt threw Ann Curry because she was Asian under the bus so he could be more popular. All of them knew even Al. Katie stop it, you are trying to sell your book now!

[@johnboy32064]

Surprised about all the hate against Katie on these comments. Whatever anyone says, she was a better host than Savannah. Sorry, Savannah. Just my opinion.

[@joniheisenberg6691]

“You know..” So irritating that she cannot speak without saying “you know.”

[@johnnydeano2288]

One would think that a person who made her living expressing her thoughts (more likely her producer’s thoughts) on television would place some value on grammar and diction. If we could dispense with all the “so, ya know, like” and worst of all “right” there might be time on the airwaves to inform us with original ideas and meaningful thoughts. So, ya know, like, am I right? Right!

[@joniheisenberg6691]

@@johnnydeano2288 Thank you for your comment. I have noticed it has become more prevalent. I watch a lot of book tv. It is maddening when the speaker says “um” and “uh” multiple times during a speaking engagement. I am not sure why the individual is unaware.

[@pattiwhite9575]

It is still hard me to understand today too. Matt was so smart and seemed to get on with everyone so well. Was he an actor? Why did he behave that way at work? He must have been in a very low place in his personal life. Screaming on the inside. Shame, he let it consume him. A couple of visits to a counselor may have helped. I do'n't know. He isn't the first and will not be the last male to misbehave.

[@awumbah]

Katie Couric, where is your journalistic integrity? You were lead host or anchor, when Matt Laurer became co-host! Ann Curry, most likely bound by a non-discloser-agreement as well and forced to leave but made it so clear, so visible and still didn’t break her NDA-clause! Someone I am all in awe of! There is a difference between a newsreader and a journalist.

[@MrNeilTV]

Why is she just now talking about this?

[@KO-im6sm]

Matt was smug and entitled. It was obvious to me through his shows. How could they not see it?

[@lornadryden5650]

Savannah was trying to protect Matt herself!!

[@carolbenson6524]

Omg...she knew what he was like, but she like everyone else didnt want to say anything when they were friends.

[@Chris-fx3se]

LIAR!!! There is no way she didn't know the other side of Matt. His wife had been trying to divorce him for years because of this "other side!!!" And Katie was there most of that time.

[@lornadryden5650]

Savanah covered for Matt too

[@theresa.leriaalexander5680]

His power cut him out,dirty money,his wife have the best laugh now.peace out Matt.

[@plutoplatters]

The are "sections" of people that one never knows.

[@blessedblessed4323]

Disappointed. I thought you were better. You and Matt were very closed. Sounds like a book deal motive

[@antonybrown432]

You're always respectful in the city of St Louis carry yourself like a strong woman I respect you so much and it don't matter but I am a black man you always care with yourself a real respect

[@greggriffin6291]

What a backstabber. He lost everything. Why keep throwing him under the bus?

[@juliesmith9949]

He threw Ann Curry under the bus for telling the truth. He gets what he gets.

[@sarahhelmer7902]

He Deserves every bit of it

[@vincentruvo6988]

She's trying to sell a book by making herself look good and those people that are not popular look bad.

[@bellaapple2166]

I thought they weren't going to interview her. And why is her chair so small.

[@kathleenbell48]

CBS decided not to interview her

[@palmbeachasmr]

I miss Katie Couric being on the Today Show.

[@marysullivan3326]

Couric is like Hillary when interviewed at NBC, she wrote her own questions.....

[@ReviewBoard-uy5nv]

Hmm. When we now know Katie Couric actively decimated the careers of younger women, her pretense saying she didn’t know Matt Lauer after so many years is disgusting. She knew.

[@utkarshsrivastava7251]

Savannah actually is stopped by nbc not to react or give her personal thoughs. Katie Couric asked her in the part but Savannah switched to a new question. I feel we'll learn more revelation in Savannah's book after she's goon from today..

[@MsCatwoman13]

She was part of the boys club. And stepped on any on-air female talent when she felt threatened. What a horrible human being. She even treated her nanny like garbage. Nobody is buying her BS! Go away, please. You’re time’s up!

[@LesPaul3399]

yup - GO AWAY KATIE

[@jojopower5256]

This is The Morning show IRL

[@weslielittrell2253]

KATIE Couric Shame on you

[@jameshanley6886]

She will say anything stay relevant her talk show flopped her evening news spot flopped also 🤔

[@VB-hr2nl]

She probably knew and just as long as he wasn't doing it to her she didn't care. She strikes me as that kind of woman.

[@rskl2601]

reckless... she meant violence, oppressive, abusive

[@bluest1524]

"He was kind and generous, but then I heard unsubstantiated rumors, and now I am writing him off publicly. Even though he never behaved that way toward me." Got it.

[@karlc2869]

Hey Katie, you should have called Matt out for humiliating Britney in 2006 and Ann Curry in 2012.

[@user-dg7cz8le7t]

I used to watch her. I can’t believe she said the things she said today so everyone has their opinion now I would never watch anything on TV for a lot of people that I watch on TV anymore and she’s one of them.

[@theresa.leriaalexander5680]

The father of a daughter.

[@Anonymouse428]

Is it just me, or do these two women have the same face?

[@markelijio6012]

Katie Couric is simply one of a kind lady. For me, I Ioved her and now she's back talking with Savannah Guthrie on NBC's long-running news program, "Today" and I'm very proud she's talking about her memoir "Going There" with Savannah for the first time about Matt Lauer's firing and so on.

[@dansanta4611]

She's a bad person. Total liberal!!

[@beautifulone5509]

She knew.

[@awumbah]

My most favourite morning show, NBC’s the today show. I believe not all former hosts have yet felt or tried to make good! Savannah Guthrie tried but was most likely ordered to stop! Her earpiece that made her shut up. A voice from the control room! Katie Couric to this day escaped any responsibility or consequence!

[@whoaitsreesy]

Still here waiting for them to apologize to Ann Curry.

[@maddieharr7211]

How did she not know what Matt was doing??

[@LesPaul3399]

she knew - she is full of crap

[@MM-tx7gi]

Very honest!

[@wordgeezer]

Why did Katie end up with the breaking news about a plane impacting the WTC? Matt was notified while doing an interview and then asked " do we have it ...No we don't ... but we will return etc. Then there were several minutes of advertising and Katie was at the helm with Matt sitting beside her. First witness, Jennifer Oberstein, saw an explosion, but Katie interrupted and asked her what kind of plane it was. Isn't that a leading question?

[@igloozoo3771]

Best Creepy Matt Lauer Compilation - Sexually Awkward Moments - KZbin So she didn't find a coworker pinching her butt a red flag? Really?

[@CinePhil101]

She did her own investigation? Pluuuuease!!

[@traceyg2364]

What a liar. She not only knew, she threw Ann under the bus, and makes sure to repeatedly distance herself from Matt.

[@chrisjones4495]

HAPPY TUESDAY TODAY SHOW! SAVANNAH KATIE!! STAY SAFE FAM 2021

[@jasontodd1334]

You're so full of it Katie, you knew and you ignored it.

[@xtcBEBOP]

OLD NEWS!

[@michellepollas241]

It’s so sad hearing Katie talk like that about Matt when there were on add it looks so good together perfect work team I always wish that they would still be together on air even if it’s not on the today show but they would have their own show together a daytime

[@tonyausten2168]

Katie Couric is an amazing News Anchor. She set the standard. I love her mean-ness...which is really NOT mean-ness--its just confidence and no apology approach. Men do it. What the heck!

[@dajo2824]

She always bring the ladies in her crap that she’s around. “Come in you knew also. You’ve thought about it also. “