Katy mother outraged after doctor contracted by school district took daughter's pulse during phy...

[@fettersofdromi]

"He's a doctor" "So was Larry Nasser" EXACTLY!

[@kitchg5526]

Boooommm!!! A multimillion dollar lawsuit in the making, now I understood why it took years before Nasser's abuses were addressed

[@cindyaluuuuluuuu8873]

Embarrassed

[@cindyaluuuuluuuu8873]

Embarrassed

[@ds2348]

As a mother of a gymnast when I first heard this report, I thought of larry Nasser

[@carefulconsumer8682]

So why hasn't she reported the doctor the the Texas Medical Board? They will investigate the allegations and from what I read, they are very thorough in these kinds of cases.

[@dreamsofturtles1828]

"Hes been doing it that way for years ". I'll bet he has. They generally do get away with it for years.

[@smfarrie2943]

Yeah how dare he follow his training and look for abnormalities.

[@blanketstarry7725]

@@smfarrie2943 I know, right?! They should immediately fire all the doctors (except for this guy, since he was following his training) since everyone else wasn't following their training and taking pulses in the groin area. Next time I visit my doctor, I am going to insist she touch my groin because I want my checkup done properly and according to her training!

[@smfarrie2943]

@@blanketstarry7725 Carotid-femoral pulse wave velocity (PWV), a measure of arterial stiffness, is determined from the time taken for the arterial pulse to propagate from the carotid to the femoral artery. Stiffening of the aorta and large elastic arteries is a biophysical manifestation of vascular aging with important prognostic implications. It is elevated in conditions such as renal failure, diabetes, and hypertension, and in each of these conditions,.

[@smfarrie2943]

@@blanketstarry7725 yeah becasue clearly this is something he made up to catch a feel and not something found in medical journals.

[@blanketstarry7725]

@@smfarrie2943 I'm agreeing with you, dude. All the other doctors were not measuring for arterial stiffness, and they should be fired for not following their training. It is important to feel the groin area of teen girls in order to allow them to participate in high school sports without the possible complications of renal failure, a common problem with young, athletic girls.

[@TheCristallo83]

In my 40 years of life, and having received physicals in multiple states and several countries, never have I ever had my pulse checked next to my privates.

[@CbrF4i600cc]

You must not be an athlete

[@vsoraya]

@@CbrF4i600cc Maybe, her doctor isn't a pervert.

[@Aeson-np8tr]

These are ROUTINELY done during physical exams [since INFANCY and through adulthood]. What makes a sports physical any different? Who said there was no female nurse or medical assistant present? No one said there was no female nurse or medical assistant present. I seriously wonder if mom would have responded the same if a female doctor, P.A., N.P., etc., checked her son this way OR if a female doctor, P.A., N.P., etc., examined her son without a MALE nurse or medical assistant present (which RARELY occurs; if a male patient asks for same-sex staff, he is usually ostracized and ridiculed)...

[@maryannmarino865]

​@@CbrF4i600ccI am 58 years old and I WAS an athlete. Never once have I had my pulse taken in that manner. I repeat, NEVER have I had my pulse taken in that manner! Always went to my FP for my physicals. Maybe my doc simply was not pervy. Who knows. The point is that I don't think that's normal procedure. IMO.

[@awordindueseason]

@@Aeson-np8tr If this method was truly as routine in physicals as you've asserted then it would not seem as shocking as it does to so many commenters--many of whom are medical professionals and former school athletes, and most of whom have received countless physicals since infancy throughout adulthood. Their actual experience of this method of pulse taking would mitigate their negative response, no? I've certainly never had it done this way in decades of receiving physicals, including in-school high school physicals for athletics. So, I'm also going to go with the reality of my lived experience that its not THAT common. Unfortunately, there is a cultural war currently going on to overtly sexualize school aged children under the guise of "inclusion" and efforts even to rebrand child predators as sympathetic figures called MAPS so I'd prefer that all parents "erred" on the side of being extremely vigilant concerning those given access to their minor children.

[@JustPeaceLoveAndKindness]

I'm a doctor, and I do high school physicals. Never would I ever need to take a groin pulse for any routine exam on otherwise healthy kids. There are numerous other places that are available to conduct this examination such as both wrists, arms, feet, ankles, elbow, and neck. None of those anatomic locations would be considered for most people to be improper or too embarrassing for public contact. There is simply no reason for anyone to routinely go straight there unless it is symptoms directed for a more detailed examination. The fact that the medical establishment came up with some lame excuse regarding an extremely rare condition that this guy could have supposedly screen for in healthy individuals is disappointing for me. It doesn't matter if he's doing this to both sexes. It is an indicator of possibly a deeper problem with this individual that warrants closer examination of his other activities. I do sports physicals as a voluntary contribution to my community outside of my specialty, but this person is a contracted physician and definitely should have known better in sensitive interactions with kids at this phase of their development. Either way, being entrusted to care for patients implies an expectation of high standards. Good job to mom for calling out this behavior!!

[@L-ff5kw]

Thank you, well said

[@dastamararoseyork]

then ur not doing ur job like ur ment too. the guidelines say ur ment to do it and not doing so has its risks. no offence but because u dont even follow the health guidelines urself, why would ppl trust ur word on it? seems all women think men are all creeps even when they are doing the job as its ment to be done. next time read ur own work guidelines before trying to say ur experience is enough to say the man did wrong which he clearly did not. i always wondered why ppl say our healthcare is so bad...now i see why as they dont even follow the guidelines as they are ment too. those are the ppl who need to be fired, the ones not following the guidelines.

[@grumbles]

With all due respect, I also do such physicals, and the guidelines supported by the American Academy of Pediatrics, American Academy of Family Physicians, American Heart Institute, and others include checking for coarctation this way. Many state/district sports physical exam forms have it listed in the exam as well. You may choose not to follow the guideline, or the people who create the form can choose not to add it (many don't follow all the guidelines), but I don't think it is okay to admonish another provider for simply following the established medical guidelines.

[@JustPeaceLoveAndKindness]

With due respect, guidelines are GUIDES to practices in relation to situations that are encountered. They are not absolute unyielding rules. Kind of like correct writing and grammar for communication. Your typing and composition are difficult to read and follow, but not uncommon in these casual internet exchanges. It’s your prerogative to write in this manner in this situation. These guidelines are intended for a “complete” formal physical often performed in a physician’s office. For a cursory examination in a gymnasium with hundreds of kids throughput over several hours, we have to stick to mostly core exams, and defer more detailed assessments to a formal office visit if irregularities are found or guided by history. Moreover, although the guidelines are endorsed by AAFP, etc, but common sense and common practice are that when a detailed examination of socially sensitive regions of the body such are breasts and genitalia, another person (parent or staff) should be in attendance to maintain a healthy sense of professionalism in exam room. Say what you want , but this situation described doesn’t give the appearance of appropriate interactions at a general sports screening physical. It should never bring about this type of reaction from parents or students. My judgment and common sense will never allow me to provoke such a response regardless of whatever guidelines are proclaimed. Those who have appropriate bedside manner know this to be true, and would certainly handle it tactfully if the examination of this nature is warranted.

[@supinelemon]

​@NeverForget1937 if you arent going to do a proper exam- whats the point of doing anything at all? Just a false reassurance?

[@christinataylor3634]

As a nurse (30+ years) who has assisted in literally hundreds of sports and other physical exams, I have never seen femoral pulses routinely checked, male or female. They are only checked in newborns, trauma to the lower extremities, or if there is symptomatic reason. In our practice, hernia checks on the males, adolescent or adult, or any exam requiring removal of clothes, always had a wittness present, even if other family are in attendance or the practitioner is same sex. This to protect the patient and the practitioner.

[@melindaroop1346]

Right???? I was an athlete in school and had a lot of physicals....never had my pulse checked that way. Was also never taught to do it that way when I went through my fitness certification training, or CNA training.

[@Nicholas-ze5vv]

It sounds like a major assumption to say that there wasn't a witness, and there wasn't a symptomatic reason for doing so. I'm not a doctor, but I could foresee a congenital heart murmur, or a symptom like chest discomfort while exercising, valid reasons the doctor would want to check. Those are just examples, I don't actually know if those particular reasons are justifiable.

[@grumbles]

It is in the guidelines for sports physicals for school students, by the American Academy of a pediatrics, American Academy of Family Physicians, American Heart Association, and others. I recently read an article about how many people have NOT been following the cardiac guidance, and the potential risks of doing so. If he properly checked the femoral and radial pulses simultaneously, he did nothing inappropriate. However, I always explain what I'm examining and why beforehand and allow for questions.

[@Crystal5672cats]

@@Nicholas-ze5vvthose are not reasons to check a femoral pulse. The OP is correct.

[@nanarose8537]

Thank you for the clarification. This situation is disgustingly upsetting!

[@wickedtreefarm6914]

How is she the ONLY mother who complained?!?!

[@DB-qf3ss]

It’s Texas… I’m a Texan and I love Texas, but there’s a culture of “don’t complain, just tough it out,” that’s sometimes taken too far.

[@karenwhite4141]

​@@DB-qf3ssI'm from Texad as well. I totally disagree. I don't think the girl was complaining. She was probably surprised and wanted to discuss it with her mother.

[@BTTF-fb7oz]

She may be the only victim

[@Babs27]

​@DB-qf3ss I'm from Texas and I never heard of that. I would think it was the opposite when it comes to our kids. I stood up for my kids.

[@AJXOXO-vz1pn]

The mother is misinformed. Checking a femoral pulse is an established way of assessing for Aortic Coarctation and other cardiovascular diseases that cannot be determined by checking a radial (wrist) or carotid (neck) pulse.

[@billaveda6408]

Get a lawyer. Sue the school district. File a police report. That's the only way to deal with incompetent school administrators.

[@BlackandBlessed100]

Absolutely

[@rosetheis1403]

@@BlackandBlessed100 I agree with you

[@deeder001]

Wow just nobody has even watched the video. The police were called, did an investigation, consulted medical experts and concluded everything the physician did is part of an accepted normal physical exam for sports medicine. No crime was committed. Except the sin of ignorance which sadly we cannot criminalize or we would need 100x more prison cells.

[@barbaranymiel3089]

Why should there be a cap on lawsuits? The police have to pay out millions to lawsuits even if they were in the right.

[@doriancoreyscloset421]

​@barbaranymiel3089 what have the police *EVER* paid?

[@Zephlos]

"How the hell can you be doing something wrong by taking a kids pulse???" *2 seconds later* "I hate humanity"

[@t_cheating8239]

It's all about where it is taken. I doubt you would be ok with a doctor taking a pulse in your groin. Idk where this is ok.

[@Bushdid9eleven]

@@t_cheating8239... No shxt.

[@dennisclarke3340]

@@t_cheating8239 You didn't even read their whole comment. Maroon.

[@jem1009]

That was my reaction too. When I heard groin I was like WTF?! Damn right to be upset! Completely inappropriate.

[@Webu-l4c]

My exact reaction

[@jenniferd264]

I was Sexually Assaulted by a Doctor during a pelvic exam. It was horrific! The RN stood there looking at the ceiling as I fought him off and fell off the table! After I filed formal charges 13 other women came out saying they had the same thing happen! The Navy Hospital just fired him. Not the Nurse who I went after. They were civilian employees and such as Active Duty we couldn’t sue them or the Hospital!

[@jsin7418]

In the future if a man ever forces themselves upon you take your hands and open the palms ✋️ ✋️ and as hard as you can, do a big forward motion clap, landing and making contact with both ears at the sametime👂👂. And I promise you luv, no matter how big and strong said man is, that c*ck sucker will go down instantly as it completely ruptures the attackers equilibrium, leaving him completely disoriented and giving you crucial time to break away and make your escape. Teach this to your female friends and family.

[@trencesmall8704]

I’m very sorry that you had to endure all of that, I truly hope that you find peace, and healing.

[@GamerNxUSN]

I hope you reported to your SAVI and the hospital command SAVI

[@fredricarabina]

I’m so sorry this happened to you. 😢 I am glad you were brave enough to report him so that other patients won’t have to be abused. ❤

[@kris4786]

thats horrible

[@Seschal]

Props to that mom for raising her children in a way that they felt comfortable telling her

[@TheQueenRulesAll]

Yes, keeping kids in the dark and telling them to be seen and not heard is teaching them to be preyed upon or be the predator.

[@kailathefox]

​@@TheQueenRulesAllyup. Happened to me. Didn't realize my abuse and trauma was abnormal as a kid, until I told another child and they looked at me horrified. I didn't speak of it again and repressed it until I was 22. And I did actually tell my mother, she didn't believe me at all though and called me a liar. Lol.

[@queenpinb1252]

Right,

[@G8tr1522]

wow, very underrated comment 👏👏👏

[@grumbles]

Yes, however in this case, if all the doctor did was check the femoral and radial pulse simultaneously, then he followed the guidelines for sports physicals by the American Academy of Pediatrics, American Academy of Family Physicians, American Heart Institute, and others in checking for coarctation of the aorta. It's very easy to look at the sports physical form for many states and see that femoral pulse is listed on the form (for that purpose). What he might be faulted for is maybe not explaining what he was going to do and why. Or maybe he did, idk.

[@t.c.2776]

I'm 73 years old and been in the military, and in the medical system my entire life, several operations, a heart attack a car accident, and was even an EMT and volunteer ER tech... I have NEVER seen a nurse or Doctor take a pulse in the groin... I was never trained to take a pulse there except in some major accident situation, and no one has ever touched my groin to take my pulse in my entire life... He should be investigated and charged.... his patients should be interviewed to see if he's done that to others...

[@deeder001]

That's because in your day EMTs were poorly trained, particularly in the military. That you are not even aware of the difference between field or emergency medicine and a medical examination screening for medical conditions like congenital defects (relevant to sports), is proof enough of how deficient the education and training was back then. The purpose of palpating iliac and femoral pulses via their respective iliac and femoral fossa is even explained fully in the video. It is not "new', it's just new to you. It is done the same for boys and girls, alike.

[@Theideaman]

​@deeder001 It still does not justify the method of taking a pulse. Would you a let a male doctor check the pulse of your little girl in the groin area???

[@deeder001]

@@Theideaman Given I am former medical professional and understand exactly where a physician would be palpating and what they are looking for, why on earth would I not? The "groin area" is not even an actual thing that any two persons can consistently and accurately delineate the boundaries for. i.e. it's entirely subjective and might extend from the neck to the ankles for a Muslim.

[@AJXOXO-vz1pn]

@@deeder001 this is such a badly reported report that people don’t understand that the femoral artery is a perfectly valid region to check the pulse. And in a comprehensive sports physical exam, different from a routine physical exam, classes sing the femoral artery allows for evaluation of cardiovascular diseases such as Coarctation of the Aorta. There are rare cases of athletes dying of undiagnosed cardiovascular disease. Do you want to find out if your child has a rare cardiovascular issue at autopsy or do you want to check during a sports physical exam. The convicted child molester, Dr Larry Nasser, was doing inappropriate physical exams inside children’s vaginal area. This is totally different from assessing a femoral artery. I really hope that the mother she’s though so it will bring public awareness to people about the need for comprehensive evals in sports physicals.

[@Theideaman]

@deeder001 Well, good thing you are a "former medical professional." I would never allow any doctor to check a pulse anywhere near the groin area for me or my family! Since this seems to be a method of checking, it should not be permitted or allowed by ANY licensed medical professional period!!

[@kittylynndale5264]

20 plus years as an EMT and the ONLY time I’ve taken a pulse this way was literally 5 hours away from a hospital, in the middle of nowhere, and only after checking every single other pulse point. And even then it was only to confirm, that the patient was dead. And that was only AFTER I had a medical director instruct me to do so over radio so he could confirm patient was dead and I was allowed to stop CPR.

[@grumbles]

This was poorly presented in the video. He's not just using the femoral pulse to check the pulse. It's specifically checking the femoral and radial pulses simultaneously to look for signs of coarctation of the aorta, which is often missed in young people and presents risks to young athletes. This is in the sports physical guidelines by the American Academy of Family Physicians, American Academy of Pediatrics, American College of Sports Medicine, American Medical Society for Sports Medicine, American Orthopaedic Society for Sports Medicine, American Osteopathic Academy of Sports Medicine, and others

[@לךתזדיין-פ1ת]

@@grumbles This poor doctor! I hope he can sue that old bish for defamation. I would refuse to treat females!

[@jacoreywilliams5924]

I never heard of a doctor taking someone's pulse from their groin area. That's weird af.

[@RedsHitpostMedia]

You do for dogs but for humans there are like 5 other better locations

[@ara..1]

oh wow... my pediatrician, male, did that.

[@DeeSnutts]

Not weird to perverts

[@user-ln7of9gs4s]

2:27 states everyones pulse so checked this way. No one claimed to have been touched or has a problem, I’m not sure why this is news, and why there are so many experts. This is supposed to be a sports physical, let the doctor do their thing. It even says the doctor was observed during the physical and everyone’s was the same. Facts, not feelings.

[@godbluffvdgg]

There are literally VOLUMES filled with medical procedures YOU have never heard of...Come back when you have a PhD...

[@InterwebUser-ps7ju]

This is why we should be in the exam room at all times with our children. In the doctors and at the dentist.

[@ac61900]

You can be in the room when your children are being examined for some reason this mom didn't have the common sense to do it. She made the first mistake

[@karengayles2947]

Parents were in the room with Nasser

[@munguschungus4030]

HIPPA. I assume the mother didn't think anything would have happened and couldn't take time off work for something that was initially unimportant.

[@CN45475]

@@ac61900this was at school.

[@crispyblack8779]

@@munguschungus4030hippa doesn’t regulate whether the parents of a minor can be in the exam room. As their guardian, you are the one that decides who has access to your child’s health information. I’m curious if this is a school policy, if it’s something that this group of doctors requested, or if it was the mom’s choice to not be in the room.

[@chonchan12]

The only time I check the femoral pulse is during cardiac arrest. I’ve been through many physicals and no professional has ever checked my femoral pulse. Also given that the patient was female and the doctor was male, I’m surprised that there was no chaperone because normally you need a same sex chaperone at bedside if you intend to do something intrusive

[@kellharris2491]

Yes especially sense they are kids.

[@britt383348]

I was just thinking this. I thought to myself the only time I have ever really needed to check a femoral was during resuscitation of a patient or after a femoral entry heart cath…in a generally healthy person a radial or carotid would suffice

[@KatieBellino]

Yes, it doesn't seem like a healthy teen having a sports physical needs a pulse checked at the groin.

[@garyjackson3531]

​@@KatieBellinoNotice her twin brother wasn't examined in the same manner.

[@smfarrie2943]

@@garyjackson3531 the doctor says he did.

[@dukeofdelight-tf6xy]

It's called common sense, common decency and respect. It's as simple as that. This mother was absolutely right.

[@profecarrillo6479]

"trust the science"

[@Ayverie4]

It DOESN'T MATTER if this was a normal procedure or not. If the girl felt the need to report it, if she was really traumatized like the mother says, it was done incorrectly. This should NEVER have been done without proper consent. And guess what, a 13 year old cannot consent to an authority like that. If this is a routine procedure, they need a parent present at EVERY appointment to consent as well as the child.

[@Aeson-np8tr]

Parents sign the consent ahead of time... The mother should be comforting her daughter and explaining the procedure instead of traumatizing her. The son was examined by a different doctor [whose gender was not identified]... These are ROUTINELY done during physical exams [since INFANCY and through adulthood] and NO "private parts" are touched (unless the patient is male, but for another reason). What makes a sports physical any different? Who said there was no female nurse or medical assistant present? No one said there was no female nurse or medical assistant present. I seriously wonder if mom would have responded the same if a female doctor, P.A., N.P., etc., checked her son this way OR if a female doctor, P.A., N.P., etc., examined her son without a MALE nurse or medical assistant present (which RARELY occurs; if a male patient asks for same-sex staff, he is usually ostracized and ridiculed)...

[@destinyharper4820]

@@Aeson-np8trso it sounds like you’re defending the doctor for there wrong doing. I highly doubt the consent paper said her groin would be touched for pulse. That’s not the way to do it. If the daughter was uncomfortable then she had the right to no matter how mom feels. And how do you know that the doctor didn’t change it to being both genders being checked like that since he was being watched. Whether it was a male or female doctor they were wrong and should take others feelings into consideration.

[@jturtle5318]

​@@Aeson-np8trno one checks a pulse in the groin. No one. If I couldn't get a radial pulse I'd pull out the stethoscope. Only cardiac and vascular surgeon checks groin pulses.

[@alexiswilliamsinc]

@@destinyharper4820I can’t even reply to this aeson person I’m rolling my eyes so hard. You’re exactly right - the procedure has to stop if the daughter feels unsafe. I don’t care who else is present. Larry Nassar even found ways to assault kids whose parents were there! Honestly, what highly specialized athletics are going on at the school that this invasive practice is the standard when other doctors have already questioned it?

[@Aeson-np8tr]

@@destinyharper4820 SMH - These are ROUTINELY done during physical exams [since INFANCY, and through adulthood] and NO "private parts" are touched (unless the patient is male, but for other reason/s); nothing was viewed or touched below the daughter's mons pubis. Sports physicals are NOT a new phenomenon and are basically the same a routine office exams; if Mom truly did not know what takes place (especially for MALE exams during which his genitals ARE examined) she should have consulted with the children's father [or the athletic director] ahead of signing the consent form. The area checked [for the daughter] is OUTSIDE the area of her swimsuit for crying out loud. People with moderate aortic stenosis may not notice physical problems which is why it goes undiagnosed. What part of checking for undiagnosed conditions do you people not understand? What part of making sure a child is HEALTHY to play do you not get? This is not for people (kids) with diagnosed conditions; undiagnosed heart conditions are why kids can drop on the field [despite not having noted heart abnormalities off the field]. You people are hysterically and perversely "misunderstanding" about where this doctor actually viewed and touched the daughter to access the femoral pulse (which is NOT below the mons pubis, and OUTSIDE the area of her swimsuit) -- the bottom line being that this doctor did NOTHING inappropriate or outside the approved medical industry standards. We don't hear the mom objecting to her son's genitals ACTUALLY being checked/touched during exams. I am not surprised that you did NOT pick up on the the gender discrimination [expressed by the mother]... She had NO problem with (1) her son possibly being examined by a female practitioner, (2) female nurses or M.A.s unnecessarily being present while her SON was thoroughly examined, and (3) the school's FEMALE athletic director subsequently sitting in on and watching/"evaluating" how the doctor-in-question examines teenage male students'/patients' femoral pulses and, explicitly, these pubescent boys' genitalia -- not just hypocritical, but discriminatory as well. It is despicable how flagrant violations of MALE patient modesty/privacy has been "normalized" and accepted. The FEMALE athletic director subsequently sitting in on genital exams of pubescent boys is a flagrant violation of protocols (and I question whether those boys' parents were informed ahead of time and notified that they could REFUSE to have her present while their sons' genitals were examined). This voyeuristic and inappropriate impropriety emphatically violated the BOYS' medical modesty/privacy rights -- without ambiguity. This from a 2012 medical publication regarding Patient Modesty and Privacy Concerns pertaining to sports physicals and genital examinations: "Adolescents in particular deserve utmost sensitivity for genital exams, especially for their first thorough one. While this is recognized for girls, it is RARELY mentioned for boys even though every practitioner must be aware of boys’ embarrassment. Parents will often accede to their daughters wishes for gender preference and will prepare their daughters for what to expect; boys are RARELY accorded the same consideration..." The above was provided last year in response to the continuing prevalence of PUBLIC sports physicals whereby BOYS are still examined out-in-the-open in the presence of female school staff and female student athletes (and the girls, who do NOT undergo genitals examination, are allowed screening). It is HARMFUL to boys' emotional development that such flagrant violations of MALE patient modesty/privacy has been widely "normalized" and sociologically accepted; when boys get older and learn that they were not ethically accorded the same protections as girls, they DO get upset/traumatized.

[@banksiasong]

As a nurse, I only ever witnessed this done in patients with burns or severe diabetes where compromised circulation to the lower extremities was suspected. This is at best malpractice, at worst child abuse. Well done to the daughter who confided in her mother, and to the mother for getting the police involved.

[@augustojoseramonpinochetug5235]

You should familiarize yourself with the legal definition of malpractice, the doc does nothing wrong (until proven otherwise)

[@seth3672]

Doctors are speaking out about the importance of a femoral pulse reading in teen athletes. Dr. Scott Rand, Director of the Primary Care Sports Medicine Fellowship with Houston Methodist says they’re crucial for detecting a rare and potentially deadly condition that causes the aorta to narrow, known as coarctation of the aorta. “The femoral pulse exists right in the crease where the hip and the abdomen meet,” Rand said. “I’m going to feel the pulse in your wrist and I’m going to put my other hand on the pulse in your groin.” You must be a very well read, well trained nurse.

[@Piink94]

​@seth3672 Let's take your argument and run with it for a moment, shall we? In most other procedures that require a doctor going underneath a patients clothing, there must be a nurse present in the room. Do you understand why that is? It is to protect both the doctor and the patient from complications of malpractice or accused malpractice. These teenagers obviously weren't given that and I doubt this was routine for ALL of the students or it probably would have been reported before this. Gynecological exams are normal, too, but you are always provided another person in the room to make sure what the doctor is doing is necessary and ethically correct, and any patient has the right to say no to anything. These children weren't given either of those rights. Hope that cleared up your confusion on what makes this feel gross

[@Jaggededge112]

@@Piink94can you possibly feel a pulse point through pants and underwear? No really I want you to try out on yourself. Look up exactly where to place your fingers and check it.

[@Jaggededge112]

Would you be happy with that type of procedure for a breast exam? Trying to feel for lumps through bra and shirt? Do you prefer your doctors blind or just your children’s physicians?

[@catmejia6109]

Why are parents allowing physicals without being present there themselves? This is beyond disgusting…..good for the mom on speaking out

[@jayjaynella4539]

Main question is why a school is allowing physicals on their premises. That is outside education guidelines.

[@catmejia6109]

@@jayjaynella4539 if you read my statement you’d know it was asked in general, at schools, at docs offices, fly by night clinics etc….parents should never allow their kids to alone during physicals

[@Roobearlilibee]

They do sports physicals at school all the time. That whole pulse thing, yeah that’s creepy. But the physicals, that’s really common.

[@heathercontois4501]

​@@Roobearlilibee You have plenty of time to go to your own PCP for a sports physical. Doing them at schools leaves to much room for the lack of supervision that obviously happened here.

[@lemondew8138]

​@@catmejia6109I don't know if it's like that in every state but in NY state, as a parent, we are not allowed to be in the room for yearly physicals with our child as soon as they turn 14

[@knightu1642]

As a doctor, the only times that I checked femoral pulses were on patients where no other location detected a pulse. Elderly patients that had no carotid, brachial, wrist, ankle or back-of-knee pulses forced us to check femoral, which is at the groin region. Young athletes have incredibly strong pulses behind their knees and ankles so if it was just standard practice, his superiors should have corrected that years ago.

[@stormtellier3804]

the first thing you listed there was one reason why they checked my pulse down there I think it happened a few times when I was a teenager and as well as adult am a Big girl in size don't know if that can contribute to having troubles finding a pulse or not but the difference here was this was an actual female doctor from an actual hospital not a school

[@wickedgame241]

When I saw the title I thought the parent was off her nut by being outraged over someone taking a pulse, but after watching this I get her anger. There’s no reason for this to happen. It’s creepy.

[@user-ln7of9gs4s]

2:27 states everyones pulse so checked this way. No one claimed to have been touched or has a problem, I’m not sure why this is news, and why there are so many experts. This is supposed to be a sports physical, let the doctor do their thing. It even says the doctor was observed during the physical and everyone’s was the same. Facts, not feelings.

[@mlilof84]

Ditto

[@idahardy4052]

@@user-ln7of9gs4s Do you have a young teenage daughter? It’s not ok to reach for the groin under a girl’s shorts to take her pulse.

[@stepht5]

@@user-ln7of9gs4s that Dr may have done everyone’s that way, BUT it is not normal to check there. I have 5 children, and they’ve had many sport physicals and they have NEVER had their pulse checked in their groin.

[@donnatalbot1670]

@@user-ln7of9gs4s You are in error. This woman's son's pulse was not checked in this way. He also has an aorta, yet the other doctor was not doing it. So, it is not routine.

[@KrystleGourjuss]

I don’t blame this mother. I disagree as well! So glad she is speaking out about it.

[@AJXOXO-vz1pn]

Athletes have died during sot from undiagnosed medical issues. How else do you want the doctor to do an initial assessment for less common vascular issues such as Coarctation of Aorta? Would you rather your son receive the diagnosis or heart attack, Aortic rupture, or some other serious cardiovascular disease at autopsy?

[@WanderingRationalist]

@@AJXOXO-vz1pnisn’t there some other pulse point that could be used to check for that?

[@jasonervoes1326]

​@@AJXOXO-vz1pnwhy are you taking this doctors side?

[@Thunderbyrd.]

Yes, of course it is.@@WanderingRationalist

[@Thunderbyrd.]

@@AJXOXO-vz1pn You are misinformed or not informed at all. Checking pulse through the femoral artery on a girl by a male doctor is unacceptable and gross. It should only be checked with the parents agreement, supervision, and with another female health professional present. The ONLY time a femoral pulse should be taken (away from a Dr./ hospital setting) is due to a traumatic injury such as an amputation, open wound with serious bleeding, etc. Otherwise, a pulse should be taken in the least aggressive and least invasive way possible.

[@bearlady5694]

The mother was smart to speak out and report this!

[@JayJay-he9bk]

I don’t think we are getting all of the correct information honestly

[@TruthFiction]

@@JayJay-he9bk If she was so outraged and has several other "victims" why aren't they contacting a lawyer? This screams multi-million dollar payout for school supported sexual harassment and lawyers would be lining up to take the case if it's as reported.

[@ac61900]

She was smart enough to reach out and get some camera time but wasn't smart enough to be in the room. 🤔

[@sheilaabraham4350]

How frustrating to have the school employees act like it’s no big deal when mom confronts them. I don’t even know what to say. I would’ve lost my mind.

[@kerrian4564]

Been a nurse for over 19 years.. never took pulse this way!!

[@ChrisL-oz4lp]

Not for a suspected aortic issue? What was the general consensus on school athlete deaths?

[@kerrian4564]

@@ChrisL-oz4lp I understand however this was a physical, that was not done for the other twin this way.. this is not normal protocol, I have worked in trauma hospitals, clinics.. unless there is a specific reason.. this is not the norm

[@muckyecm3815]

@@kerrian4564The other kid's exam was done by a less thorough doctor. It is normal protocol to check femoral pulses for a sports exam...if you're following the recommendations of things to check, anyway. Source: UptoDate, post-graduate training, medical school, etc etc.

[@iriemo721]

Triage vitals aren’t the same as a physical exam looking for something specific.

[@zt453]

Oh for God's sake, if you're defending this you're the problem, there's no need to waste time explaining it. It is plain old dumb and creepy. There are many ways to check a pulse he's just a pedo in training. If he had concerns why didn't he send the girls to the ER or their pcp?

[@dorfone]

This is beyond sick. What is even more disturbing is that this has been going on for years and nobody, NOBODY said anything until now! Heads need to roll at that school.

[@youtube_username_]

Yes. Years of this - unbelievable. The administrators that are covering for this doctor should also be fired at the very least.

[@ladyd8339]

Yeah, right! Come on man!

[@thecivilizingelement]

​@@youtube_username_No, they should be charged with accessory to child molestation.

[@thecivilizingelement]

Do you approve of what the doctor did?

[@JF-bc1px]

There probably was other complaints but as shown they'll try to sweep it under the rug, and anyone apart of that should be charged as an accessory

[@conehd4379]

Bless this mother! She is taking care of her babies. The districts response is deplorable and I hope the doctor gets what's coming to him.

[@user-ln7of9gs4s]

How can he get what’s coming to him for following the American Heart Institute guidelines, and examining for any signs of a heart condition by checking the femoral pulse, which could save a child’s life? You could simply read at 2:27 or google to verify it yourself. People can’t think for themselves, listen it facts, not your feelings.

[@tguf456]

​​​@@user-ln7of9gs4sI noticed you've been replying to a lot of people who are siding with the mom and not even being accurate about the facts yourself. A spokesperson from a medical clinic in Texas (the Medical Colleagues of Texas) made that statement. It was NOT the Texas Board or other respectable medical entity that made that statement. In fact, and at the time you mentioned (2:27), the newscaster specifically stated that the Texas Board DISAGREED with the Medical Colleagues' statement. It's not hard to see why. If it were true that this was a routine procedure, doctors and nurses outside of this clinic would be getting it done in that area (hence "routine"). But they don't. Just b/c this doctor did it routinely does not mean it was actually an accepted medical practice by the medical field. Additionally, the Medical Colleagues spokesperson stated this procedure was to check for an abnormality. Abnormalities like this have to have a medical justification to go beyond the routine. People can't be checked or tested for everything since there are hundreds of thousands of checks and tests that can be done to check for any number of medical issues. What even merited checking for this congenital defect over possible other medical conditions effecting the heart? Physical exams would get expensive really quick. Furthermore, there would need to be parental/guardian consent, if not prescence, before any private areas of a minor can be examined (unless, under very unusual circumstances, such as if the teenager was of age to be legally separated from parental/guardian care and had the respective legal filing of that ahead of time of this physical). I highly doubt the parents signed off consent on having this check done in the groin area. This mom is 100% in the right. This doctor is another Nasser. Don't forget that Nasser also had others who were on his side--completely allowing him to do what he did--who were in the wrong.

[@Its-Always-Something54]

Most kids are too traumatized to report and suffer a lifetime. Her daughter trusted her mother enough to tell her...Bravo!

[@sherryhannah498]

@conehd4379 they ARE NOT BABIES BABIES DON'T GO TO SCHOOL

[@martingindulis5310]

All thanks to Obama and Biden and their woke agendas.

[@prodigalpriest]

I remember getting physicals in school. No one ever used the femoral artery pulse point to check my heartbeat. I hope that mother gets somewhere with the investigation and whatever lawsuit she wishes to bring.

[@CuriousJenJen]

I went to the doctor in Riverbank California and the doctor touched my kid in the butt he pulled him pant down real fast and touched his butt. I was like why did you do that he said he "couldn't resist." I was so disgusted by him. I called the police department and they said if no one was hurt it was not a crime. I reported it to the medical board and they sent me a letter claiming the doctor did nothing wrong. Then I investigated him and he had moved from Alaska to California. Which I found strange then, in 8/20/2019 a guy matching his exact description beard, blue eyes, and dark hair and black sedan type car tried to abduct a little girl from a bus stop. I always think it was him.

[@JimmyWilsonUSA]

at first i got concerned on how a Parent could get mad at a Doctor checking their child's pulse.... then I watched the news clip and I am MAD TOOOOOO... That is beyond inappropriate and that Dr. is disgusting

[@amandahamel5638]

As a medical student, we were taught this technique. I’ve never seen a doctor do that but have seen them check for swollen lymph nodes and should be done with chaperone present.

[@artchick07]

My doctor did this method for my BROKEN leg. I understand why he was checking my pulse that way after my leg was very swollen and purple. I can't see using this for uninjured person.

[@christinataylor3634]

For newborns, trauma, or symptoms (CPR, claudication, lymphedema, etc.), yes. Otherwise, there is no need for a routine femoral pulse. In my 30+ years of nursing practice, I have not seen this done. And yes, a chaperone needs to be present.

[@Rin_Chawngthu]

A gynaecologist (male) checked for mine when i went because of a clitoral problem

[@user-gg8tl5yt7d]

I'm sure he got away with it because it is "technically a real procedure" to check that way, but it's obviously more than that because the male twin was not checked the same way. only the 13 year old female twin.

[@hellovicki6779]

But different doctors examined the twins. However, it is clearly inappropriate and perhaps an offence what the doctor did. I would do exactly as this mother faced with the same scenario.@@user-gg8tl5yt7d

[@PChazman1]

Post the names of the doctor and the administrators who are allowing him to molest children.

[@westswell2757]

I'm an emergency medical technician. I've known how to take vitals since I was 11 years old. You can get the pulse rate from a modern clinical sphygmomanometer when you take the blood pressure. If you have to feel for a pulse to rule out some circulation issue you can check behind the knee or around the ankle. The groin is way way down that list.😢

[@l7846]

I second every word you say! EMT, SC

[@augustojoseramonpinochetug5235]

The pulse pressure at the popliteal artery is much weaker than it is at the femoral. I’m sure your EMT geniuses know that

[@westswell2757]

@@augustojoseramonpinochetug5235 Communication is key, as is informed consent. Hence why a parent should be present -- and why the practitioner should explain the science. A map of the circulatory system would be helpful also.

[@grisben]

You must be a pretty lousy clinician to rely on the heart rate from an automated blood pressure cuff as that’s not reliable and subject to be highly inaccurate in cardiac dysrhythmias, poor perfusion, and myriad other cardiac abnormalities. You should be checking a pulse manually every time like you were taught and take a manual blood pressure the first time before relying on your automated stuff. That automated cuff has been inaccurate so many times that you probably fudge numbers and make up vitals. Your comment is a testament to your ignorance.

[@Noadvantage246]

@@l7846​​⁠ I looked it up and it seems it is a legitimate practice. Most nurses and people are probably unfamiliar with it because it’s a new-ish test specifically designed for sports physicals. Part of a specific 14 point cardiac check that checks for heart problems. It was established by the American Heart Association and is recommended for youth sports athletes. “In 2014, the American Heart Association introduced comprehensive cardiovascular screening guidelines for young athletes, including 14 critical cardiac elements which includes a femoral pulse reading, a crucial step in checking for coarctation of the aorta”

[@prympammi]

You go MOM!! This is UNCALLED FOR!!

[@Nicholas-ze5vv]

How would you know? Wait until someone qualified dictates what was appropriate. Otherwise, you're potentially just disrespecting and trashing the reputation of a respectable and ethical doctor. Hold your horses, this is a human's dignity and livelihood. Don't jump to conclusions.

[@scholasticbookfair.]

​@@Nicholas-ze5vvI'm sorry but why are you going so hard on this? You're just as unqualified to speak on this. No ethical doctor us routinely checking femoral pulses in children's physicals. As a medical professional literally have never heard of this. You don't knew what you're talking about.

[@Nicholas-ze5vv]

@@scholasticbookfair. Sure, I'm unqualified to judge too. That's why I'm not. I haven't investigated them. Just because you're supposedly in the medical field, doesn't give you any details into this case.

[@scholasticbookfair.]

@@Nicholas-ze5vv There's enough details to make a presumption that the doctor was wrong. Not that hard to comprehend.

[@grumbles]

@scholasticbookfair. What medical professional are you? Perhaps your don't deal with this area, but checking femoral pulses for coarctation of the aorta is supposed to be done in sports physicals. This is according to guidelines from the American Heart Institute, American Academy of Pediatrics, American Academy of Family Physicians, and others.

[@tiffanyking8791]

OMG! 🚩 🚩 Any Dr. who thinks it’s O.K. to do this to children is obviously some kind of pedophile. Anyone would know doing something like that would make any child or adult extremely uncomfortable but he does it anyway. You’re supposed to feel safe & comfortable with a Dr.. oh he def. knows exactly what he’s doing. They have to get rid of him now & there should be a very deep investigation done on not only his career but his entire life as well. 🚩 🚩

[@The_DC_Kid]

FINALLY you found a reason to use your Red Flag emoji, and both before AND after your reply! Everyone is impressed.

[@user-ln7of9gs4s]

How do you think they check for a hernia? 2:27 states everyones pulse so checked this way. No one claimed to have been touched or has a problem, I’m not sure why this is news, and why there are so many experts. This is supposed to be a sports physical, let the doctor do their thing. It even says the doctor was observed during the physical and everyone’s was the same. Facts, not feelings.

[@blak3brutus229]

@@The_DC_Kid facts, this is such an important topic we need picture books and childish images to portray it!

[@garyjackson3531]

​@@The_DC_KidRun along Democrat. The adults are still talking.

[@garyjackson3531]

​@@user-ln7of9gs4sWhy wasn't her twin brother "examined" in the same manner?

[@dubulvr]

Schools will always be where predators linger, they don’t get punished enough. There is no rehabilitation for abusers and predators.

[@blueturtle3623]

Props to the mom for going to bat for her kid. The excuse is easy to believe but absolutely stupid. There are far too many valid places to get a pulse for that one to even be considered. Especially for a child. Also the fact that her son saw a different doctor and had a normal experience proves that this was not normal.

[@Jaggededge112]

So ifyour child only has a pulse point checked at the wrist but not at the femoral artery and they suddenly die out in the football field,cause we know y’all sure don’t give a crap head injuries or broken spines so we know your kids are out there playing now we know it’s barely minimally checked, you wouldn’t sue the school district for trying to keep a kids from participating in a sport that could cause a heart attack. If he were actually touching the genitalia but he isn’t he’s off to the side and up a bit.

[@Nicholas-ze5vv]

Show me your license to say that was unnecessary.

[@blueturtle3623]

@@Nicholas-ze5vv i didn't say it was unnecessary. I said there are a lot of other places to get a pulse. This was a physical, not a medical emergency. Nobody's life was in danger so why was that the doctor's first choice?

[@Nicholas-ze5vv]

@@blueturtle3623 You're literally saying it was unnecessary in other words.

[@blueturtle3623]

@@Nicholas-ze5vv ok well common sense dictates that there are other places to get a pulse, and most people get uncomfortable having strangers touch them near or on their groin, so why would you go for there?

[@dirktravels]

Did he check her temperature anally too, that's an approved method as well. The most disgusting part is how the school and other officials immediately rush to defend this clearly inappropriate practice.

[@rachelgooden9981]

😂 this was golden

[@grumbles]

Except checking the femoral and radial pulses simultaneously to look for coarctation of the aorta is specifically part of the guidelines for doing a sports physical and is part of the physical exam form for many states/districts who follow the guidelines. (Guidelines by the American Academy of Family Physicians, American Academy of Pediatrics, American College of Sports Medicine, American Medical Society for Sports Medicine, American Orthopaedic Society for Sports Medicine, and the American Osteopathic Academy of Sports Medicine.)

[@russellstewart5414]

This is Texas after all so pretty sure it’s standardized practice. That way when you feel up a little girl you can rest assured that you are following the rules set forth by our most knowledgeable leaders

[@janeentumbao8690]

I was thinking that too. I've heard the did that with babies back in the 90's and early 2ks. But now, they do that in the ear. I still remember old school glass and mercury thermometers placed under the tongue.

[@barbiek3987]

@@grumbles well, it seems that this doctor only checked the femoral pulse and not the radial pulse. You need to check both simultaneously to look for that heart condition. A condition, btw, that's usually detected soon after birth when doctors check for it.

[@audraarndt1824]

Never heard of that. There's a reason 99.9% of health care providers don't check a pulse in that area - because it's weird! Not necessary.

[@lawrence1986ify]

Doctors are just human mechanics. With that said, have you ever seen every mechanic that you have gone to diagnose the same way? No, you haven't; they all do it differently. Same with doctors; just because one doesn't mean another dose. its just like house ever seen one with the same design I'm sure there are a few out there but 99.9% of the time they aren't why is that? because designer build them different in the inside I'm sure you can find more than one white out in the hood don't mean the insides are the same

[@WestOfEarth]

@@lawrence1986ify Larry, are you the pedo-doctor? You sure sound like it.

[@loridean177]

​@lawrence1986ify There are better places that wouldn't make the child feel uncomfortable. Being uncomfortable puts stress on the body and raises the pulse.

[@Eme80865]

Correction-If that's the only place the pulse was checked, then yes, that is weird. As a former nurse, I routinely checked femoral pulses on my adult patients. Is that the only place where the pulse was taken? Was he actually taking her pulse there or just checking the quality of the pulse?

[@alphaomega5909]

​@@lawrence1986ifyUuuhhhm, okay. Lets use your "logic" ,comparison of the Auto Mechanic. I take my truck to a mechanic as my OIL LIGHT is on. Is it Logical ,,to check the air pressure in my tires? As his Sttandard Operation process? Or my winshiled wipers are acting up. Does a SKILLED Mechanic go under my truck and check The EXHAUST? Thats how stupid you sound. As to being around children ? Id thimk you were a GROOMER,PEDO if you even if you were a reknowned Pediatrician went to my kids Groin to check their temperature. Youd be lucky to keep a single tooth in your mouth if I found out. 🤬🤬

[@kirkjones9445]

How about we also question why the headline is downplaying it as just taking a pulse?

[@coveredNfavored]

My kid isn’t going to a doc without me at all and for no reason unless an emergency is warranted. When they told the parents about the physical I would have been there or went and got it done myself. Just because it is a school official, doctor or coach, you never trust your child in their care. This is horrible.

[@ThisIsLovelyLaura]

My daughter's physical was done with her doctor and I was in the room the entire time.

[@Shaolin91z]

Lol 😂🤟☺️.

[@theoblongbox4909]

This is extremely victim blaming. People like you are helping the sex offenders by implying that it's the mom's fault for not being "vigilant" enough. Stop it. Focus on the perpetrator, not what the mom should have done or what a perfect parent like you would have done.

[@VelocityZap]

​@theoblongbox4909 What. It's an allegation from a mother who doesn't know any better. Do you support unfounded allegations? If so, then kindly shut up you.

[@garyjackson3531]

​@@Shaolin91zLaughing at sexual assault? You must be a Democrat.

[@Jet.ski.lover.13]

Oh hell no. I’ve been an athlete and had many physicals and never once did a Dr touch my groin area. That mom is gonna own the school once her lawyer is done with them.

[@muckyecm3815]

You had a lot of doctors who didn't do a thorough exam. Good thing you didn't have a problem.

[@kayjay407]

@muckyecm3815 I was thinking that this will probably become routine due to quite a few cases of sudden cardiac arrest. Especially in young athletes. The doctor should've had a female present to prevent any accusations. But what do I know? I'm not a doctor.

[@williambingham3408]

Jet are you male or female? They check for hernias in males all the time by checking the inguinal canal, no reason to do that with a female, they don't have one.

[@onoT-n6c]

If there are to be charges filed, school district officials should be charged as well for knowingly allowing this to go on.

[@carlcushmanhybels8159]

It's to check for life-threatening cardiovascular conditions. Such as killed a boy I used to stand next to in PE.

[@rhenry7369]

@@carlcushmanhybels8159, Dr. Scott Rand, Director of the Primary Care Sports Medicine Fellowship with Houston Methodist says he’s usually able to take the femoral pulse over the clothes. He will also explain what he will be doing ahead of time.

[@BooDotBoo]

Exactly. If they told her it was normal and have kept dismissing her concerns, I bet if any other parent has come to them with this, they tell them the same thing. That school is just as guilty.

[@Visitor2Earth]

This test is ONLY necessary for NEWBORN BABIES...and is common in newborn exams by a pediatrician. As a Dad of 2 boys, I have NEVER seen the pulse checked this way AFTER the newborn phase of life...and my doc was ever so careful to fully explain what was going on and to make darn sure a parent was at the side of my babies when this was done!

[@kaylamouhot9943]

61 years on this earth now and I have never heard of taking a pulse that way!

[@ac61900]

38 years on this Earth and I've been a mom for 16 of them and I've never once allowed anyone to examine any of my kids without me in the room seems like Mom didn't have too much common sense but now she wants to cry because there's a camera

[@minervagarza95]

Disturbing is Katy ISD has no problem with this.

[@alwaysyouramanda]

Maybe if it were their kids while they were at work

[@Kinikia95]

They may think it's weird but won't admit it because they don't want to be blamed.

[@imaginaryfriend8260]

Props to this mother for standing up! I was spread open by a male doctor when i was very young my mom said i shouldnt have remembered but that always hit my ears wrong. I was a child being touched by a grown man there was no consent i was a human being being spread open by the opposite sex all i could do was look at my mom in the eyes and ask her for help with them and the smile she gave me i will never forget it. I dont blame her but i did learn from her. I dont think a male doctor should have done my exam i was not comfortable and i was not expecting that. I still get nervous when talking to male doctors to this day and i hope this girl finds peace we deserve respect at ALL times especially with medical procedures

[@artisticanna5275]

Your mom smiling instead of being angry is disturbing all on it's own

[@imaginaryfriend8260]

@@artisticanna5275 she had a level of trust for the doctor and didnt think i was old enough to comprehend what was going on or feel weird about it trust. Ive wracked through it in my brain she vowed to never take me back to a male doctor after that. Im not sure if its normal what he did he just spread opened my labia and examined for a bit no touching or anything so i could see how she felt it was normal but i was petrified. I will always ask my daughter if shes comfy first

[@imaginaryfriend8260]

@@artisticanna5275 i think it was equally trying to comfort me and also equally she didnt want to say anything either. It taught me a good lesson though just because youre in a proffesional setting does NOT mean you dont have a right to privacy and respect

[@artisticanna5275]

@@imaginaryfriend8260 That's really heartbreaking though! That's basically the textbook version of "this is your fault and I hope you learned something from this". I know you love your mom but your mom failed you big time

[@imaginaryfriend8260]

@@artisticanna5275 i appreciate your concern alot! I used to be SO angry she couldnt live it down but i could really tell it hit her later in my life and if she wouldve known how i felt in that moment she would have stopped it immediately and im confident in that.

[@rockyBalboa6699]

Almost all of my doctors took pulse from my groin area during serious illness !

[@flapjack5600]

Why wasn't a female or the mother requested n the room

[@jjsimps9273]

Because the child is 13 and her mother was not present. The mother thought the child was in proper care with the school district physicians, clearly the child wasn’t. This is why my mother never allowed doctors out of her sight when they were examining me, unless when being asking personal questions

[@mr.mendez9426]

​@jjsimps9273 the doctor was just doing his job.. when men go to doctors... they check everything.. when they check for Hernia , they check you're ball sack. you have to be professional.. it sounds more like the mother and you all are very uneducated.

[@williamfields7287]

Every time I've needed a physical, it's always been my own doctor. Why would the school use their own?

[@Mandy138Cool]

Because sports physicals are much more simplified and can be done in about 10-15 min, including urine testing. They are done on the school campus due to convenience and high attendance for all trying out for school sports. Some protocols have changed in many schools due to the poisoning and injuries of covid 'vaxes' and now require EKGs...

[@deeder001]

Probably because everything that used to be a parental responsibility has been transferred to the education system over the years. Schools now have to teach children the very most basic things that used to be taught in the home. And also, school funding or budgets are like 100x greater than they were 50 years ago. Your school like mine probably did not have the money to provide the sports physicals, among other things, so parents had to be responsible and pay for things themselves.

[@kathyt2108]

Some families can’t afford a physical for their kids. This allows all kids to play sports.

[@smfarrie2943]

@@Mandy138Cool or because the one the parents sent their kids too didn’t do thorough exams and undiagnosed heart conditions went missed. Most kid’s experiencing medical incidents has undiagnosed heart defects. I hear incidents every since I was a kid. And I’m 47 years old. One notable instance a kid had a heart attack while playing baseball. He was revived and received medical care and eventually released to play again. Only for it to happen again and resulted in his death.

[@smfarrie2943]

@@Mandy138Cool whether a sports physical should require EKG has been debated for decades but isn’t always required due to cost.

[@MarieAntoinetteandherlittlesis]

I understand that there might be times where a medical professional might need to deal with people’s groin area for medical reasons. However, in this situation, since we’re talking about a school doctor checking teenagers, I would say that it would be better to avoid it completely. It seems like common sense. Either find another way to do that part of the exam, or if it can’t be avoided and they absolutely need to, contact the parents first, and make sure the parents and student give informed consent as to what’s being done and why BEFOREHAND. It sounds like he just- went for it. This poor teenage girl was probably shocked and disturbed to have a doctor touch part of her groin out of nowhere. Again, the doctor should be looking to avoid these kinds of situations, since he is working with teenaged girls and boys. Just because he’s a doctors doesn’t mean he get unlimited access to your body, no questions asked. It does make you wonder why he didn’t use better judgment, nobody should leave the doctors office feeling like they were violated. That means there very well could be a problem there.

[@darcy5761]

Well put

[@BennyTherat]

The title way underplays what happened.

[@morningsidedriverock]

What the hell is wrong with people?

[@KevinCovington5453]

GOOD FOR HER! Thanks To Those Kids On The Olympic Gymnastics Team And That Creeps Conviction, We Now Have A MORE DILIGENT And Keenly Aware Parents AND CHILDREN TOO! GOOD FOR BOTH OF YOU SPEAKING OUT! - EXCELLENT!

[@JulieBee661]

Oh he knew what he was doing ... trying to use all those medical terms to justify his action, sounds like he had his defense ready to go. Good for the momma hope she gets her justice.

[@muckyecm3815]

Please look up sports physicals and femoral pulse examination and see for yourself whether it's part of the normal exam or not. Hint: it is. But, it sounds like he should explain things better to the kid as he's examining. And he needs a chaperone.

[@SooGinOgden]

@@muckyecm3815 UM NO. Even if that's a procedure its done under distress or as a necessity. Plus they usually talk to parents before something intrusive like that BECAUSE ITS INTRUSIVE. This was absolutely done with an agenda. please don't just throw that out there like that. I've never in my life had my pulse taken like that and i'm 32 years old. This was a girl not an adult. She shouldn't of had to go through that without HER PARENTS THERE.

[@user-gg8tl5yt7d]

​@@muckyecm3815 Does it not seem INCREDIBLY suspicious to you that only the female 13 year old twin "required a femoral pulse check" but not the male 13 year old twin???? it was obviously an excuse to touch her inappropriately.

[@bwenluck9812]

​@@user-gg8tl5yt7d Evidently, the doctor also did it to the twin brother....

[@grumbles]

​@@SooGinOgdenIt is supposed to be done as part of a Sports physical, according to the American Academy of Family Physicians, American Academy of Pediatrics, American College of Sports Medicine, American Medical Society for Sports Medicine, American Orthopaedic Society for Sports Medicine, American Osteopathic Academy of Sports Medicine, and others. The fact that a different doctor didn't follow the guidelines is not a reason to punish this doctor for following it.

[@elainamoor3218]

I am a grown woman 53 years old and I have never had my post taken in my groin area he needs to be removed and have his medical license reneged.

[@michiganmaxedout6248]

Why aren't the student athletes seeing their own doctors for sport physicals? Parents are allowing way too much control of their kids by the schools and the strangers they employ.

[@travgames0113]

Some families can't afford it

[@Kinikia95]

Physical appointment sometime are scheduled months out. They're pretty full around september. One year I didn't make it in time so I took my daughter to a sports physical place. Just to get the paper, and then you go to your regular appointment later.

[@ac61900]

I think the bigger question is why would a mother allow a male to examine her daughter without her being in the room

[@sweethomechicago]

@@ac61900 you think they asked her???!?!? Victim blaming

[@moonman239]

@@Kinikia95 you should see if the pediatrician's hospital has an urgent care center that will do sports physicals. This way they can put the findings into your daughter's medical records.

[@auspiciousexhibionist]

I recall being in high school and they took my pulse in the arm…Who does it in the groin?? Then again they would try to send us back to class if we were “fine”. Plus our school nurses/ doctors were mothers. Never had a male nurse. Do people do background checks anymore? Let alone fire people on the spot? You fire teachers who drink or come to work drunk or high? Should do the same for school nurses who violate other students safety. Get a great lawyer, sue the school, fire the doctor, file a police report of SA

[@smfarrie2943]

This was a physical exam for sports. Not a wellness check by a school nurse before going back to class. The whole point of the femoral check isn’t for a pulse. It’s to test for blockages, blood clots. A lack of a thorough exam is why we have kids dropping from undiagnosed heart and other conditions on the field.

[@bearswithglasses]

​​@@smfarrie2943which should be done by a doctor of the same gender as the under age patient. Always. This is never okay. This is also a non standard way to take a pulse unless the patient is high risk or having a cardiac episode and a life check is necessary. And even in this case, there are better places to take a pulse. There is NO reason to take a femoral pulse unless you are running a central line, which is not the case here. My best friend happens to be a doctor and the response I got was, "There is NO way you can feel a blockage that way. You have got to be ****ing kidding me... that's sexual assault."

[@smfarrie2943]

@@bearswithglasses The whole point of a femoral pulse is to rule out undiagnosed heart conditions and to test coarctation of the aorta. It cannot be done with a normal wrist pulse. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a recommended test by medical organizations. It doesn't matter if they are high-risk or not. An undiagnosed heart condition or blockages would not become evident until they are playing on the field of their sport of choice. A school isn't going to hire two doctors of different genders to do the same job. Schools don't have unlimited funds. That was the whole point of having the nurse in the room to observe such situations.

[@tanyas.9424]

Blah blah and the law is any male doctor examining any female patient should have a female nurse accompanying them. For reasons like that. He is still wrong no matter how you try to flip it. And if he were going to do that type of exame be it male or female you get consent from the parents. Just disgusting

[@smfarrie2943]

@@tanyas.9424 The parents would need to give consent for the exam to take place. The mother has not denied that consent for the exam to take place. And A NURSE WAS IN THE ROOM. He checked her femoral pulse, he didn't give her a pap smear.

[@The2ndFirst]

I was a EMT and a medic in the Army. Though you CAN take a pulse there, nobody is trained to take a pulse there.

[@deeder001]

Nobody did 'take a pulse' there. It was a medical exam that included standard screening for hernia and aortic or ilio-femoral coarctations, palpating for bruit, eddy, and other signs of turbulent or constricted flow. It is just a hysterical uneducated mother who has used the term 'took the pulse'. The media ran with the terms used by the hysterical mother.

[@amyg4115]

I’ve had a groin aortic pulse checked once, just once, and it was in an awake sedation procedure placing a tunneled femoral catheter from one side that stopped working, to the other groin. Massive bleeding and difficulty getting the catheter through narrow constricted veins led to them not be able to feel my pulse in my neck, arm or pulse reader thing (I thought because it’s freezing cold in interventional radiology). They ended up taking a femoral pulse on the right side they just pulled the old line out of, and told me before they did because I was already freaking out and distressed over the struggle they had advancing the guidewire and catheter on the other side. I’ve been in ICU and multiple other surgeries and procedures and never had another manual femoral pulse taken, nor had I ever had an ent or paramedic take one. I have three kids, and 2 in sports. Ne’er once have I allowed any kids under 16 in an exam room alone unless my sons asked me to step out or tagged out with dad, and vice versa with our daughter. They know what is and isn’t ok with doctors as well and they know they gave the right to ask questions or decline being touched in certain areas if they feel uncomfortable with it. That’s led to a few walk outs in gynecologists offices with my daughter until she was ready. Only time I’ve ever seen a femoral pulse during a physical or exam-when they were babies. If that doc felt it was necessary on a minor-he should have called mom back (hell mom should’ve been required to be in there, not kept out) and explained reasoning to both mom and child and still required to get consent or move the hell on, especially being a sports physical through the district with kids! Have we learned nothing from Larry Nasser?

[@greg00m]

School districts around the country never suffer any consequences for these incidents because of "Qualified immunity", which is being pared back for police but not for bureaucrats Pierson v. Ray In Pierson v. Ray (1967)

[@stefanienaranjo4477]

Wth. It should've been a female and even then they shouldnt be touching her in that area. Physicals dont include that. There are plenty of places to check a pulse. Ive never been to any dr or had any physical that checked my pulse in my groin area.

[@Eme80865]

A sports physical involves checking for coarctation of the aorta. And that means checking the femoral pulses. I think the physician should have told her beforehand what he was going to do and why.

[@deeder001]

What "area" do you think is involved? Look up iliac fossa and femoral fossa. This is not the "groin" nor VJ area.

[@Eme80865]

I was a nurse, and we checked the femoral pulses on all our patients.

[@AJXOXO-vz1pn]

This is a specific sports physical. A sports physical can be done with the doctor or nurse checking a wrist (aka radial pulse), but coarctation of the aorta and potentially other lower cardiovascular diseases will not be assessed. There are rare cases of athletes dying of heart attack because of undiagnosed rare diseases such as coarctation of the aorta. Is it better to have the physician check and be sure? Or report him to the authorities and claim that he’s the next Larry Nasser?

[@fargoth391]

@@Eme80865 Turn yourself in.

[@katespina8037]

I’ve made it clear to my kids schools that they are not to touch my kids in any medical capacity without my consent and my presence unless it’s an emergency (like choking or something). No checks or physicals are to be performed. This was after a family member of mine was told to take her shirt and bra off to be checked for scoliosis during one of those health checks they do in PE and when she refused they tried to bully and threaten her into complying. Nope. The schools don’t have a right to my child’s body, and the only doctor they will see is their pedi (with the exceptions of emergencies).

[@sayjay26]

Ummmm, I have a birth defect of my heart where my aortic arch is not normal and have yet to have ANY doctor take my pulse on femoral artery, I'm 57😕😕😕

[@dahisano]

Good. Glad she went to the media

[@teresaames972]

I work in nursing for years including a nursing home where it is difficult to get patients pulse and never have I or any nurse taken a pulse in someones groin. The best place is there neck. If you can't get it in the arm.

[@bossytweed6664]

The carotid artery is not necessarily "best" due to the occlusion of blood flow to the brain and while it is taught to only check one side at a time I'm sure you know how there many frazzled healthcare workers that have in the past and will in the future, check both carotids simultaneouly🙄 As a tele/icu nurse, you are damn sure I have checked a femoral pulse during a code blue. Modesty is an afterthought when trying to save someone's life. I'm not condoning what this physician did but I really don't like that a lot of supposed healthcare workers are in the comments claiming femoral pulses aren't common practice in certain medical situations.

[@teresaames972]

@@bossytweed6664 I was talking about the center lower neck. Just above your collar bones. There is a place you can feel a pulse. First check the wrist then the neck ( middle lower) if nothing take your stethoscope off from around your neck and listen for a heart beat on their chest. You can also check for a pulse in the bend of their arms and behind the knee. The point I was trying to make was , why the hell was this doctor checking the groin on miners. There are so many other places to check.

[@rockym6557]

I'm disappointed in kprc for not naming the doctor for all the concerned parents in the area and surrounding areas

[@vulcan2882]

when I lived in Houston about 10 years ago that same thing happened in another school there, I never did hear what happened afterwards.

[@MissPreciousLove]

Unless formally charged, they won’t. That’s a lawsuit waiting to happen...

[@mr.mendez9426]

He was just doing his job.. if you ever get shot. don't call a doctor.. call a Crackhead.

[@brandonm2144]

...because that would be DUMB and irresponsible journalism.

[@dawnr7798]

A pulse can be taken this way but not under these circumstances - a routine physical. Ridiculous.

[@AMDixon]

I just had my annual, and my doctor did a breast exam per my request (I thought I felt swelling and a possible lump). My doctor made sure there was a female nurse in the room with us the entire time he was near my breast and clearly stated what he would be touching and why. I felt very safe and comfortable with his method and with the nurse in the room. It was all very professional. That has always been my experience, anytime a male doctor has gone anywhere near my chest or groin, they have always had a female nurse in the room. Why was there no female healthcare worker in the room when he was doing these exams. This is not right.

[@OReily08080]

Exactly

[@OReily08080]

Should be witnesses, and the medical professions should inform the patient and guardian if patient is a minor

[@tallgirlsrock2466]

It was someone in the room.

[@smfarrie2943]

There WAS someone in the room. It’s sad people don’t get all the facts and ready to accuse someone. The mother asked EMTs. When the hell do EMTs do sports physicals?

[@jvp76]

My doctors office does it that way so in case the male doctor does something wrong.

[@johhanwindsalor9478]

*Ok... I'm with the mother on this one... unless there is TRAUMATIC INJURY to the entire body, preventing a pulse check of the: carotid, brachial, radial, posterior tibial, or even the dorsalis pedis arteries... there is no reason to take the pulse there!*

[@deeder001]

Except that there is, when performing a medical examination by a physician, screening for things like congenital defects (which is explained in the video). Palpating iliac and femoral pulses are not new, just (evidently) new to you.

[@mr.mendez9426]

you forgot. men have to get there balls checked and cough when we go to doctor.. you are too sensitive over a pulse check.. keep it professional

[@zencat55]

@@mr.mendez9426 I was a respiratory therapist, checking the pulse in the groin just isn't done. Generally, they will do a doppler to check that area and it's done on elderly people. Period. The femoral pulse check can be done lower down on the leg. I did that many times on a critically ill patient when I needed a blood draw for an ABG and couldn't find a good pulse anywhere else. What's interesting to me is that you felt the need to mansplain to the many women here - many of whom are medical professionals, what women should be ok with during a physical when you have never personally experienced a female physical in your life.

[@deeder001]

@@zencat55 Maybe you will feel more at home in Pakistan or Qatar among the customs of Muslims with 4th grade educations who do not permit male doctors to touch females from the clavicle to the knees. We in the USA have a modern standard here of education. It's 2023 not 1423.

[@OrdellRob]

@@deeder001you’re a pedophile

[@cnkis]

Good for her. That's disgusting. So they watched him do it again and again. Just because he did it to lots of kids, doesn't make it okay. It's weird. Yes you can take the pulse there, but it's definitely not necessary. Freak!

[@carlcushmanhybels8159]

Actually, it's to check for several life-threatening conditions, e.g., with aorta, that kill young otherwise very healthy athletes. One killed the boy who stood next to me in H.S. sophomore PE, while on a class run.

[@sweethomechicago]

@@carlcushmanhybels8159 OK so check the femoral artery at the back of the knee. I'm am a physician. What garbage men school did you go to?

[@neilcampbell2222]

For the non-medics, checking the wrist pulse on both sides at the same time and wrist and groin pulse at the same time for radio-radial and radio-femoral delay are both parts of standard cardiovascular examination as taught to medical students. It is one of the tests that is often missed out. But when students perform their clinical examinations for graduationg it would be an essential test. The whole point of an exercise fitness medical should be to look for the rare conditions which might cause sudden death, this is one of them. There is no point looking for things in fit children that aren't going to cause harm. Fitness medicals should be performed to a set standard. But any child being examined should have their parent present as a chaperone.

[@synchronium24]

What do you think about this argument that the rationale for a femoral pulse exam (checking for coarctation) is of dubious medical benefit? (see "No Evidence for Femoral Pulse Evaluation in Normotensive College Athletes During Sports Preparticipation Examinations")

[@neilcampbell2222]

@@synchronium24 My argument would be not to do any examination in children with no known abnormality. If you are going to insist on one then it should be for unexpected potentially fatal conditions. Undiagnosed rhythm disturbance, septal defect, HOCM, coarctation. But they are all rare. A professional athlete maybe needs checking, but not a normal schoolchild.

[@suzybearheart530]

I did sports all through school and never once were the physicals conducted by a school appointed doctor. That alone seems strange. My mom always took me to our family doctor and he never touched my groin.

[@DT-ggh546]

Why in this day & age, are doctors (especially male ones) *still* allowed to examine "female children" alone in their office; & their *NOT* in the presence of their parents/legal guardian(s) during the so-called medical exam....etc!!! 🤔 -THE END ⚠️

[@carlcushmanhybels8159]

There was a nurse attending. See video. And while the doc and/or nurse should have explained what they were going to do and why, it is in Sports Physicals to check for several life-threatening conditions, that kill young otherwise healthy athletes. =Exactly what parents and kids would want docs/nurses to check for, if, and only if they knew ahead what it was for.

[@unsilent369]

Ridiculous. There's no reason for that other than perversion.

[@buzza2077]

Well maybe to the ignorant. There are plenty of reasons. The main reason is concern about blood flow

[@BrianOmegaWolf]

​@@buzza2077isn't that kinda the most common place for blood clots?

[@Eme80865]

The reason was clearly stated in the report. To check for coarctation of the aorta. Checking the femoral pulses is a routine part of assessing the cardiovascular system.

[@deeder001]

It is explained fully in the video. Palpating iliac and femoral pulses to screen for congenital and circulatory defects is actually a thing. Let me take a guess here, you never went to medical school? Shocking.

[@KILLEMALLTWICE]

​@@buzza2077Democrats love touching kids...

[@enji1633]

The pulse should only ever be checked from the side of the neck or the wrist. Checking from other extremities or the groin area is only ever done is specific/rare circumstances, not some physical.

[@mMsbeezer]

I think that I read somewhere that all doctors that are trained in India take pulses that way. I would be interested to know if the doctor is from India. If so he should be told that taking a pulse at that location is not the norm in this country and can be misunderstood as molestation. I would hate to see a good doctor loose his license over something that he thinks is normal, due to his training. If he is not from India, then that’s just plain creepy and he should be investigated.

[@IceLynne]

Yes, it would be interesting to know but any doctor practicing in the US should already be aware of this.

[@jessienicole818]

If he was trained in Indian, I don’t believe his license would carry over. He’d at least have to repeat his residency

[@BooDotBoo]

But even if he is from India, if he's been practicing here for YEARS, he would have been taught here or, at least, he would know the normal procedures here and be doing it that way.

[@idaslapter5987]

interesting.

[@tothelighthouse9843]

Kudos to this mom for standing up for her kids. And it's shocking but not surprising the number of men in the comments justifying this inappropriate touching. Predators are everywhere, including in doctor's offices & the comment section.

[@v.m.8472]

This is a traumatizing event for that student. If the doctor was checking for a congenital narrowing of the artery that could lead to death, then there should have been clear communication both in writing and before the exam. The student’s and parents right to refuse was violated. Exams should be done by physician chosen by the parent, not at the school. This way a clear history would indicate if such a procedure were necessary. This is definitely going to result in a lawsuit for both school and doctor.

[@lisaobrien4898]

This is the best reply, in my opinion.

[@hellovicki6779]

Pretty sure that palpating the groin/femoral artery is not the best practice standard for determining a congenital narrowing. If there were no indications to investigate such a condition, particularly in this context, it is very odd and merely an excuse to try to avoid pending liability for the malfeasance.

[@scb0421]

They can less intrusively check a pedal pulse on top of the foot. If they have a problem detecting one there then it would be appropriate to check a femoral pulse. Not to mention a femoral pulse is harder to find than a pedal pulse.

[@Lmiller201]

Had a DOT physical where the guy was a bit over the top on the hernia test. I had to have my junk out bare and he sat in a chair and rolled right up to me so it was in his face then had me cough. The test can be done by putting two fingers just above the genitals, approximately where this doctor took the pulse. Holding bare genitals has been used in decades. Never have felt so violated. I can’t say anything because if I refuse, I lose my cdl, thus putting my job and license in jeopardy. One drive was snarky with another dr and the doctor asked about his sleeping and if he was tired. He answered with a snarky remark but his sleep was normal for most. The dr used it to restrict his license and he could no longer driver our big trucks. Now, I do have the option to not go back to that doctor but I will have to pay out of pocket for it, but I won’t have someone fondling my junk with it 6” from their face.

[@esmeraldatotoro4646]

my mom never stepped out the examining room when it was time for our yearly check up the only time she stepped out was when we were teenagers and the doctor would request her to leave (after all physical check ups were completed) IN CASE there was anything private I wanted to share without my mom present.

[@raspade3136]

He's been doing it for Years!!! Wtf America... 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@dlbstl]

I like how the athletic director went and observed him taking pulses of kids and they were all the same way, in the groin area. So the athletic director thinks that since boys and girls are treated the same while she's watching that everything is okay? The athletic director also needs to be looked at for being "in" on this or being an idiot. 🧐😡👀 Another question is how does she know that he has been doing it this way for years? Did she observe him years ago, or have parents been complaining for years about this and this is what she was parroting back to them? I hope a full investigation is done into the doctor and into the athletic director and the healthcare provider.

[@BooDotBoo]

Plus, if this was what they do to all the kids, why didn't the girl's brother report this happening to him, as well? So, obviously it isn't happening to everyone, so it's NOT normal procedure. That makes it very suspect.

[@user-gg8tl5yt7d]

​​@@BooDotBoo Yes, and I can't believe anyone is glossing over this. The doctor has obviously been getting away with it for years because all the girls have been told "it's normal". But since this mom has m/f twins the same age doing sports, it became immediately obvious that he is only feeling up the little girls, not doing a "pulse check" on student athletes.

[@effive7817]

​@@user-gg8tl5yt7d1:16 listen carefully when it concerns someone's livelihood. This is a screening specifically for athletes, and there are benefits for pulse checking athlete/would be athletes this way. I dont see a reason to stop, though it would be nice if the doctor explained it better to the girl and mother. Then they could refuse as they wished. Seems like a good case for a consent form policy

[@arthurmorris527]

I'm a nurse and only check femoral pulse in the ER.

[@SammyandMonica]

Wow, I have taken peoples pulse since 1986, thousands and thousands of times as a nurse, and I NEVER, no matter what, took anyones pulse that way. That is straight up molestation!

[@carlcushmanhybels8159]

Sports Physical it has a good, potentially life-saving reason: checks for aortal conditions and other cardiovascular conditions that kill young athletes. I knew one in HS.

[@bburgess5003]

@@carlcushmanhybels8159Then why didn’t he check the twin brothers the same way? Just stop.

[@lisamalcolm6916]

I am 50 years old almost 51…..never in my entire life has a doctor used my groin to check my pulse …or to find out about the heart. I think this mother is doing the best for her children . If this is an actual medical thing that doctors do …I would assume it would be from a consenting adult ….Not a 13 yr old child …..

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

56, and the same. I've seen some EMTs and nurses in comments say that they have rarely ever used this method in all their careers. When they did, it was usually because they couldn't find a pulse anywhere else. They also said, if you want to find an aortic pulse, for a specific condition, it can also be found in the ankles, or back of the knee, esp. because pulse rates are very strong in teenagers.

[@kaysense6136]

This is why I never sign a consent form to use school on site doctors , and I always sign that nurses are never allowed to give my child anything, to always call me !

[@katehache]

I had my CNA and EMT-B. They don't even teach you to take a pulse like that. WHAT WAS THE REASON??

[@alwaysyouramanda]

There is absolutely no reason to touch a kid there..

[@SharonG-ip3ll]

I've had my pulse taken on my neck, wrist and ankle but never in my groin area. This is outrageous and I hope that crazy doctor gets his medical license taken away.

[@user-ln7of9gs4s]

What’s outrageous is your ignorance. It’s a sports physical, under AHA guidelines, the femoral pulse is taken here for signs of a heart condition. You could just google 2:27, they even explained it to you, but you’d rather use feelings then facts.

[@johnjohnson798]

This is sick, just another reason my kids will be homeschooled.

[@FLMegan]

I wasa public school teacher, and I knew if I had kids, they would NEVER attend even the best of public or private - and my twins are in 5th grade and have been homeschooled the entire way. I saw too much to know across the board it's a bad place to be.

[@electrodynamicorb6548]

Great and you can continue to coddle your kids when they become an adult. Teach them to be shut ins and only apply for remote work from home jobs and get there groceries delivered to their door. That way they never have to go outside and deal with other humans. Socializing is a useless skill anyway!

[@johnjohnson798]

@@electrodynamicorb6548 You've obviously never homeschooled anyone, they have homeschooled communities that do sleepovers and meet up on weekends, and community baseball and other games at the local parks are available to everyone who wishes.

[@BooDotBoo]

@@electrodynamicorb6548 You obviously have never been homeschooled or even know how it's done outside of weird cults. Please, educate yourself because public school didn't help you enough, apparently.

[@BooDotBoo]

Same. When I was dating, a couple of guys said that was weird, but with what has been going on in schools, especially lately, a new story about someone molesting kids or shooting them every day, I would need to be with someone who realizes why I don't want them attending school. And homeschooling is so different from how it used to be, too, so you can find homeschools that still make sure the kids are social in safer environments, too.

[@marneo7514]

Family medicine doctors and pediatricians routinely check groin pulses IN BABIES for coarctation of the aorta. In older children you can find it by comparing blood pressure in the arms to blood pressure in the legs, or by listening for a murmur. Checking groin pulses on a teen is malpractice, unless you have a very good reason to be doing so, and even then, ONLY with a parent present and an explanation of what you are doing and why, and preferably with a provider the teen knows and feels safe with.

[@brettmitchell8014]

That mom is awesome

[@nomanejane5766]

That doctor needs to be investigated, sounds similar to the creepy sex pervert Olympic Gymnastics Doctor

[@moulikfalujah]

Wait ! the doctor is fully justified in getting the pulse from her vag ! i mean think about it , if you stick a couple fingers in there you can definitely feel a pulse so i don't see a problem with that at all !!!

[@kristinetorrice7603]

As a mom I would lose my mind if someone touched my child in their groin. That little girl will now wonder if she can trust any doctor who will come near her because of this man’s inappropriate actions. He’s a child predator and needs to be arrested.

[@grumbles]

This is why I always explain what I'm planning to examine and why, and allow for questions/concerns. What he did (if all he did was check femoral pulse) is absolutely not only within guidelines, but recommended in sports physicals by numerous pediatric, sports medicine, and cardiology organizations. That is how you catch coarctation of the aorta.

[@banesbox]

If it’s mandatory for a nurse to be present with a doctor during an exam at the VA hospital, a school district should be mandatory too.

[@greggreg2263]

Very disturbing 😢. where did this doctor go to school the Bill Cosby College of medicine 💊

[@andresmattos7541]

Bill Cosby school of medicine 😂😂😂😂

[@crest4sensation938]

Larry Nasser was a physician, who abused little girls. Bill Cosby does not have a medical license. Larry Nasser School of Sports Medicine is more like it.

[@susiesunshine43]

That's so weird!!!! I have NEVER in my life heard of ANY NURSE OR DOCTOR taking a "groin" pulse!! I'm so glad this momma is stepping up for her baby girl!!!! That doctor should totally be investigated!!!!!

[@sherryhannah498]

@susiesunshine43 the girl is NOT A BABY GIRL SHE'S A TEENAGER HOW DENSE CAN YOU BE????????????????????????????????

[@susiesunshine43]

@@sherryhannah498 hahaha, why are you so mad, and how am I dense!!!! I don't care how "grown" my children are they're STILL gonna be my babies!!! Let me guess, you don't have any children??

[@bethrichardson7335]

I agree with what susiesunshine above said-why are you so mad? I also agree that many parents refer to their kids as their babies, especially when they are in protective mode.

[@susiesunshine43]

@@bethrichardson7335 thank you, Beth, my sisters name is also Beth(sorry, I know there's no relevance, just thought I'd share, lol)! My mom STILL calls me her baby and I'm freaking 38 years old, married with a 4yo!!!!

[@susiesunshine43]

@user-uw3zx4lm9x oh c'mon now, that's just sad!! Smh

[@Victoria-OneLove4AllPeople]

The doctor should be fired ASAP.

[@12B0692]

Pulse in groin area? WTF? I always had school physicals in NY and hernia-cough check was normal part of the sports physical.