Kawasaki KLR 650 vs Honda Africa Twin (From a Guy Who Owns Both)

[@DorkintheRoad]

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[@SwankyCatProductions]

As light as my Tenere 700 feels on the trails, my Gen3 KLR is soooo much easier to move around at slow speeds. Lower bars, lower center of gravity and much easier to get both feet on the ground. Can't beat the power and anti-squat rear on the T7 though!

[@mattbarrois8675]

So my goal is to buy either a t7 or a 22 klr and one of my main riding areas is roughly 230 miles away mostly interstate travel but it has nearly 100 miles of trails 33 miles of single track Now i do have family that live 5 mins from the park but which out of those two bikes would you recommend also I plan to do suspension work and add protection to either so stock for stock isn't necessarily a factor which would you think was the better for that

[@SwankyCatProductions]

@@mattbarrois8675 Either bike could do it. Tenere will be smoother on the road at high speeds and is more fun due to the power and sound. But the KLR in it's stock form is much more comfy, for me anyway. New bars (with more sweep) and a softer seat on the Tenere would even that playing field. Off road the KLR will feel much more friendly and easier to handle. But the Tenere is extremely capable too, just takes a bit more commitment and confidence. Hope that helps!

[@edwardlacika3022]

@Matt Barrois Hi Matt, just saw your post about you considering a T7. I've owned one for two years and put on about 8000 miles. Overall it's one of the best bikes I've owned, but like any bike it has limitations. My experience is that it has the power to go on the freeway, but the aerodynamics are horrible. I can't imagine going 60+ mph for more than about 20 minutes. I am 5'11" and the stock wind screen is unusable. It's virtually vertical and causes very heavy buffeting even at slow speeds. I've tried different helmets, but eventually got rid of the windshield altogether. I ride it like a naked adventure bike. The other striking thing about this bike is that it is so capable on and off road, that I often forget my limits until I am uttering the words "oh shit". At walking speed it feels quite heavy, but get it over 10 mph and it truly feels like a much lighter dual sport or a large dirtbike. The engine power is intoxicating and the torque is magical, the brakes and the suspension are just right without being too aggressive. I get between 210-240 miles per tank depending how I ride. The low fuel light comes on with about 50-60 miles left in the tank until dry. I replaced the seat with Seat Concepts, unbolted any dead weight like the passenger pegs, installed larger footpegs, and got rid of the plastic dhoohicke on the clutch cover because it kept bugging my shin. The stock tires become brutally noisy on pavement after some wear, and the bike is too heavy for deeper sand, and once it starts going over at crawl speed, there are only two choices, power out or lay it down. It's difficult to catch due the high CG that's bulit into the nature if this bike. Nothing else crappy to report. Btw I am an intermediate rider with some expert riding tendencies on a good day. Not sure about your definition of single track, but I don't recommend the T7 for single track unless you are truly an expert rider. It's simply too heavy and the suspension isn't built for it. I hope that info helps, and let me know if I can answer any other questions.

[@mattbarrois8675]

@@edwardlacika3022 thank you that was very informative and honest review of the t7 btw I used to race intermediate A class on both mx and cross country racing my skills are better then most offroad my conditioning would be my only limiting factor

[@mattbarrois8675]

@@SwankyCatProductions thanks man I am heavily leaning toward the klr mainly because I feel like I can dail in the suspension and add the extras for less then I could purchase the t7

[@makerofmanythings8447]

I'm 6'2" and 300 pounds and the Africa twin does not feel really heavy to me but my weight has a lot to do with it. I have dropped my Africa twin two times but I was not moving.. It is not very difficult to get it backup on its stand. And after the fall there was no damage either time. The Africa twin was my 1st bike ever and there was a bit of a learning curve for me.

[@Mo-kl4fb]

I read the end of your comment before the beginning and was like damn he's stupid or something for picking the AT as his first ever bike, but then I read ur 6'2 300 pounds hahaha brother of course it doesn't feel heavy for you to ride or pick up it's only 200-250lbs heavier than you haha

[@lunarluna]

Another factor would be the worry about dropping/breaking an expensive bike vs a cheaper one. I have never ridden any other adventure bikes but the KLR feels pretty solid to me.

[@thedownwardmachine]

What a subtle and insightful review, the confidence factor isn’t something I’ve heard anyone talk about before.

[@DorkintheRoad]

Thank you very much

[@ronny-drz]

These are always the best comparisons for straight-up info when you have personally owned both, thanks for this one, you are always dead honest with the good and the bad. And you are right, you have to feel confident in your bike, great point. Mindset. Cheers! Ronny

[@kevinsterner9490]

Great assessment of both bikes. I agree 100 percent. I went from a 2011 KLR to a 2015 BMW 800 GS to my current 2017 AT in the span of 4 years. I wouldn’t go back since here in AZ I ride long distances on the highways and interstate to get to interesting places. Keep the great videos coming

[@sgt.v7237]

I love your fair unbiased assessment. Keeping it real as well as realistic. Communication skills 2nd to none. 👍

[@Eudamonia-123]

Love my 2022 KLR! I always just avoid hiways and take the road less traveled.

[@kalimarus]

I’ve owned the KLR650, it was my first street bike. It does what the Africa Twin will do the same as a budget car will do what a S Class Mercedes will do. They aren’t great past 75mph. They’re still very heavy on anything other than gravel or mildly chewed up dirt roads. Still terrible in mud or clay. I own an ATAS with electronic suspension and all that gizmo stuff now. I’ve also owned the Versys 650, the Tiger 1050, a Vstrom 650 and a Moto Guzzi Stelvio NTX. So I think I have a good spectrum of ADV bikes as a basis. The Africa Twin is extremely capable for an ADV, amongst the best in the large over 500 lbs category. I personally feel like it’s nearly the same feeling in weight as my Versys 650 which was 75 lbs lighter. The CG is low on the AT and they clearly did a lot of work to get it manageable for how big it is. It’s light years lighter feeling than a MG Stelvio for example. Basically it feels like the Versys 650 or the Vstrom 650 or the Tiger 1050 in weight. KLR is lighter (but barely less than a Versys 650) but it’s still a fat bastard on anything other than a class 4 or less unimproved/dirt road. While the AT is a stellar street bike as well, which the KLR is not. The ATAS is like having a sport tourer and a KLR in one with a flick of the electronic suspension. And I love DCT. Yes the fear of dropping is real, but these bikes are really made to tour gravel and roads that the standard 4x4 goes on, not rock crawling or deep mud holes. Honestly a CRF300 Rally is a better choice than the KLR at this stage. Just as fast on the highway and much lighter for everywhere else. None of these are trails bikes. Sure the Tony Bou’s or Chris Birch’s of the world can make them look like that, but they really are nearly all road touring machines that won’t pound you on bumpy roads and have options for tires for both. They are not single track dirt bikes whatsoever. I have no issues moving the ATAS at 550 lbs around my garage. It feels virtually identical in that respect to my Versys 650. I can also lean it quite a ways over with no issues with leg strength. Obviously with any of these heavy bikes one e they go over past 45-65 degrees it’s going down, KLR included. And once people pack any of them up with 75-100 lbs in crash bars and luggage they’re all very heavy.

[@dallasstephenson2497]

I only ride freeway/interstate when I absolutely have too, either in my cage or on my motorcycles. I find the klr very comfortable on secondary roads for multiple day long rides. Not powerful but I have found it’s more fun riding my under powered klr faster than having to ride one of my more powerful bikes slower. Hard to explain

[@user-gj6lm9zv9s]

Know exactly what you mean

[@osimnod]

The mind game is real. I have a 2003 Aprilia Caponord (500 pounds dry) with a wonderful Rotax V twin that I dread taking off pavement. I also have a 2003 KTM 640 Adventure (350 pounds dry) that I'm much more confident riding on twin track for the same reasons you mention with your KLR. You give an excellent honest assessment for choosing these bikes.

[@ecopeland1321]

I have both . A '22 KLR and a '22 AT . I agree with everything you say about them. My problem is ...I REALLY like both of them. Long street rides -Africa Twin (I will never take it off road) . The KLR is my dual sport bike.

[@manuelsarti9558]

Great video, price and simplicity was the reason I went KLR over Africa Twin!

[@leerognlie1781]

Great review Dork!! I have a KLX 250 since 2018 and have had a blast with it. Even built a simple motovan to haul it around. I've had a Harley(based in Texas) and done many great camping trips and 2 4K tours, one to the east coast, one up through Arizona to Yellowstone. Your point about confidence is spot on, the KLX 250 would get me up most technical steep stuff in the Black Hills of South Dakota, but lack of power stymied me a few times on rocky terrain. Absolutely hated descending tight switchbacks on the KLX. Long story longer, was going with the 2022KLR650 but found a 2016 Africa Twin @ 11K with 9K miles. I want to ride to my destination comfortably, and hoping the lower center of gravity and huge power increase will help on the technical stuff. Again, thanks appreciate the reviews. If you have anything to add please do.

[@edwardlacika3022]

Great comparison. Thanks for the insights. The mental factor is very relatable for me. My T7 is finally starting to feel like a large dual sport after two seasons, and it's 50 pounds lighter than the AT. No bike does it all. Most motorcycle nuts will eventually own at least couple of bikes. I can't wait until my 300L arrives. I owned the 250L so I am very curious how the 300 will feel. Keep up the great work DR. 👍

[@DorkintheRoad]

The two bike ADV/Dual Sport combo is definitely the way to go if you can make it happen.

[@tieoneon1614]

You really have made yourself a nice channel, with great real world bike reviews. Im getting so fed up with these "Vlogger's" who ride around and give opinions on bikes they never seen, rode or owned, especially when they trash a bike based on spec's.

[@mikedahms3600]

My reasoning for selling my 2009 Goldwing and buying a 2020 BMW f759gs are more near yours than not. I was not confident in moving the wing in challenging situations and not at all on gravel. I know any bike can be rides easily by those who can but at 69 yrs old I want to feel confident and ride now. Your point about confidence was key to my current thoughts. I do enjoy your videos. Also little dork seems to be a great person in the making so congrats to her mom, hahaha. 73, Mike

[@JamieBroughton70]

Agree with u 100% i own an 2016 AT after riding a demo 2024 klr650 its the bike for me, riding was so exciting instead of scared of what could happen love my AT on the highway but the klr650 will be great for commuting to and from work. And handled everything i put to it in the Australian high country. Great review 👏 👌

[@davidpoffenbarger3686]

Great video, as always. I own an Africa Twin and get what you mean about how heavy it feels. The difference is I have a lot of off road experience and very comfortable in technical/challenging terrain but I'm just getting started in adventure riding and I haven't really started trying to ride the AT off road yet. I'm not concerned about my skills, just my ability to pick it up as I ride solo a lot. To be honest, I'd really like to trade the AT for a T7 but there just not available in my area. After your description of the KLR, I doubt I'd be happy with it as I do like the quality and power of the AT. I'll likely try to rent a KLR for a day to be sure but I'll likely just have to get used to the heft of the AT. Thanks Mr. Dorkster, appreciate what you do...

[@Warerdog24]

The biggest question is the percentage of off-road to Road you do . For my riding my GS to right choice . I may ride 700 miles to a rally and then ride 2 days of dirt roads and 700miles home. That is Adventure riding to me . I just could not do that on KLR.

[@OneOldManRiding]

Kawasaki and Honda have both made a bike that meets market needs. You just need to decide what your need is. - Frank

[@randalltom9750]

I like the fact that you challenge and confront the controversial…

[@DorkintheRoad]

I just try to be as honest as possible 😁

[@mattl7886]

I just picked up a really nice used KLR 650. Aerodynamically, yes lots of buffeting and noise in helmet. However, my first bike is a beat up 1975 CB750. Very loud exhaust, no wind screen of any sort... The KLR is a refreshing experience, plenty of grunt, has no problem keeping up with traffic on the highway. I'm only 5'8 with my shoes on, tip toeing at stop lights is a bit of a pain, but, I like the height and clearance. I like being eye level with people in SUV's. The KLR has good torque through a good chunk of the rev range. Top gear on the highway, I got up to 90 and it was still pulling for more.

[@makerofmanythings8447]

I love your videos, you're so informative. I have a question, why does my neck and shoulders get sore after riding my Africa twin for a short period of time? Has this happened to you? I'm 6' 2" I have the seat in the lowest position.

[@cledussnow9507]

I agree with the mental thing you're saying. I have an AT, I've rode it through some nasty trails, bounced it off the ground a few times. Then the bike fell over one day on its side stand (musta been a 1 in a million fall because I've yet to read anything similar) with the Honda saddlebags on, completely ripped the rack right off the machine with the bag still attached to it, which is bad because everything is tied together to that rack. After that, I lost all faith in that machine being robust.

[@screddot7074]

I bought a new 2019 AT DCT in March of 2021 for $10599. I think I got the last one. It does seem heavy, but practice makes things better, even if it is only showing you what you shouldn't do. At 5' 9"; I wasn't comfortable with just the balls of my feet, so I put in a lowering link. It is still heavy but at a lower height and feels so much better. About the only real dirt my AT sees is a mile on the dirt road in from of my house. I also have a CRF250L Rally for fun stuff. It's easy to say get the bike that suits you best, that's why I have 5 Honda's in the garage. They each suited me for how I was riding at the time, but things change over time.

[@andrewtreloar7389]

Your pure honesty is appreciated. Well done Sir!

[@mikemcnevin1785]

Excellent review!! I purchased a 2006 KLR650 brand new, spent the winter prepping the bike for my 2007 trip from Denver to Alaska and Inuvik, NWT. 10500+ miles w/out a hiccup. Excellent two lane bike. Miserable interstate bike. Prior to the KLR, I rode a BMW R100GSPD to Alaska twice. Amazing highway/interstate bike. Not so good off road. Too heavy. I've been thinking about a 2017 Africa Twin w/std transmission. A lot more bike, and a lot more $$. I think I'll be keeping my KLR. I have a 2017 Yamaha WR250R, so I don't need a huge adventure bike to play with off-road. Yes, when I switched from the BMW to the KLR, it felt cheap. My PD was dead reliable and incredibly easy to work on. The KLR is the same. Neither bike had/has all the electronic wizardry that the Africa Twins have. Yeah, I have to use a mechanical throttle stop for my cruise control, my right wrist for my traction control, and no fuel injection, but I can diagnose most (when and if they happen) issues w/out a computer should they happen. The AT is an amazing bike. So is the KLR. Thanks again for an excellent comparison. Peace!

[@Mycatz]

Just bought my African Twin adventure Sport SE 2021 Manuel You’re videos where helpful. Ultimately got it because I don’t want a small bike getting blown around on the interstate and I feel like the extra technology will inspire confidence for me. I’m also under the idea of buy nice not twice. Which I realize not everyone has the luxury to do that. Wish it wouldn’t have gotten so cold and raining right after buying it can’t wait to ride it around more in my yard before my test.

[@phillipcurrey6961]

I learned to ride on a KLR 650 and now ride a Goldwing 1800, as my daily. After the Goldwing, all bikes feel light as a feather, my KLR feels like a mountain bike now. With a jet kit, you will get that front tire up a lot easier, my KLR carves off road, however, I'm drooling for the Africa Twin.

[@williamkerner]

REQUEST ADVIDE: Great Video. I have a 2019 Honda AT and I find it more comfortable to ride than my NC700 but I haven't taken it off road yet. I just really started riding it and I have no confidence with even taking it off road because it weighs about 570 with the dct and all the accessories on it. It probably weights about 100 lbs more than the KLR adventure. When I purchased the bike I looked at the KLR's and was not impressed with them for several reasons, their technology seems about 8-10 years behind most bikes. However, now after seeing the latest KLR adventure, and seeing the big difference with the weight I'm thinking to myself "Did I make a mistake?" However, like I said the 2019 KLR was not like the 2023 KLR. I've also spent a small fortune on my AT, with the expensive accessories, I could sell it and get a KLR but I would be taking a financial bath and losing thousands of dollars. I do plan on taking my bike cross country trips and going to Central and South America and I'm kind of bothered by the small side cases for the KLR, they may be great for a small 7 day adventure but for a month I would want bigger cases. Perhaps for such longer trips the AT is the better bike, but off road I would have more confidence with the KLR. I'm frustrated, I respect the AT, but it's a small monster to handle. Perhaps, since I put so much money into it, I should ride it for a year take some off road riding courses to build some confidence? Perhaps I should just sell it, with the thousands of dollars worth of accessories on it, while it still has very few miles on it? Perhaps, my eyes were too big for the AT and I should just admit it, lose thousands, and get a bike that I can have more confidence with? Any advice from you would be very helpful. Thanks, Bill

[@soilsmanadv6673]

I agree with you about how the cost of parts replacement creates anxiety for the regular guy when off road on an expensive bike....especially when it belongs to someone else..Thank you for the content and the opinions!

[@owenlushadv]

I did similar... I am however of a little larger stature so I may of had an advantage with the bug bike. I had never ridden a motorcycle in my life, and after watching some videos such as yours I bought a crf450l. After a year I realized I needed a bike that was more comfortable on the highway due to the distance from where I live to where I want to ride. So I went and bought an Africa Twin Adv Sports... there was a steep learning curve and some nervous moments for sure, but I just kept putting on km’s and went and took an off-road training course! Would highly recommend one of those if your new to either off-road, the big bike off-road, or both like myself lol ... great comparison!!!

[@danwarmke3348]

Thank you for another insightful edit!

[@misterjones7929]

A well articulated comparison of two very attractive bikes - thanks!

[@Mclovingarage]

You are a much better rider than you give yourself credit for. I agree with you 100% on your evaluation of your time with your AT. You rode it well but got in your own head about its weight/height and your abilities on it. The KLR appears to be perfect for you and the things you desire to do on an adventure bike, knowing you have the DRZ in the garage for pure single track fun. The KLR is super capable and a great machine for most everything off road, cheap and easy maintenance, and the smiles per mile are high! Nice review. I also loved my Africa Twin and will miss it for the miles in between the off road sections. But off road it can be a handful and those situations when you get into something sudden and unexpected it could be dangerous if it falls on you or gets out of control. Well thought out review, I appreciate it!

[@michaellloyd7940]

I bought a new Klr 650 2008 it was the first year for the Gen 2. I've owned many different bikes, and I've been riding motorcycles since 1971...yes I'm a old guy, but I still ride motorcycles and hopefully be able to ride in the years to come. I no longer own the klr, but now a Africa Twin which I have owned since 2017, and that's when I purchased the Africa Twin and it was brand new. My thoughts on the klr 650 and the Africa Twin are and this is just my opinion since I have owned both. I bought the klr with out test riding it so my first experience with it was when I was riding it home and it was pretty comfortable, the thing I noticed most was the total lack of power, and as I was riding it home I wondered if I made a bad choice, but as time went on I got familiar with the bike, and the pros and cons. I rode the klr all over place. On road, in town, freeways, off road, gravel roads, mud sand, single track and a couple of BDR`s. The klr is not great on the freeway with it's lack of power especially when loaded with a lot of gear. It was great when not loaded down. As was stated in the video it did not feel solid as the Africa Twin. It got me through all the BDR's slowly and predictable. The klr is a great bike. It will take you anywhere you want to go. It's work horse. The Africa Twin is a hole different breed and it has the power and the comfort to go anywhere with lot of gear and a passenger comfortably. I also took the Africa Twin on a couple of BDR's and it did great...but once I got off road and felt the extra weight it wasn't as pleasant as I hoped it would be. It's heavy! As long as the bike is moving at a pretty good pace it's not bad,but slow down to much and it's a work out unlike the KLR which you can go at a much slower pace. In my opinion the KLR is a good choice for a first time dual sport/Adventure bike. So with that said I haven't found the unicorn yet. As much as I love my Africa Twin it is now time to move on and try something different. I'm going to be putting my Africa Twin up for sale soon and get something a little smaller cc wise. I have a bike on order that should be here soon. So when I get it my new bike because new bike day is awesome, and if dork in the road wants to review it on his channel he may. It's a bike he has not reviewed or maybe hasn't ridden yet? If you are interested?

[@lyubengeorgiev1751]

Great opinion! I am really curious to know what have you chosen as a new bike.

[@michaellloyd7940]

@@lyubengeorgiev1751 thank you for showing interest in my soon to be next bike. I will be sure to let you know what it is as soon as I get it, but for the time being I'm not ready to reveal what kind it is. I thought I'd be getting a call from the dealership this week, but didn't. I called the dealership yesterday to find out the status and eta. I was told the bike hadn't left the plant yet. So I assume it will be a little longer than expected. I just want to make sure I have the bike in hand. These are some crazy times as you well know. I'm anxious to compare this new bike to the KLR and Africa Twin. It should be interesting. I'm so happy with the Africa Twin it's been a exceptional bike other than the weight of it for off road use. It'll be hard letting the Twin go. I enjoy sharing my experiences with different motorcycles. I will definitely let you know about my next bike when it comes in if you are interested. Hopefully the bike will be here sooner than later. Thank you for your interest. 👍

[@michaellloyd7940]

@@lyubengeorgiev1751 if you where still interested in what kind of motorcycle I'm going to be purchasing. I just wanted to make sure the dealership could even get one. They did and it is on its way to the dealership, and hopefully be there next week, but it is on its way. I decided to get a KTM 690 enduro r. So from a KLR 650, to a Africa Twin. Should be interesting comparing the three bikes.

[@MotoTvWoodsFarm]

KLR are pretty unbreakable, not the quickest not the fastest, but miles from anywhere then this the bike to have

[@bluemagoo3116]

I had a KLR, it was great, the best thing about an inexpensive bike is that although it's new, you're not afraid to break it.

[@JoeDplummer_]

Great approach on the way you compare both bikes 👍

[@Ian-ks6nv]

I noticed you mentioning the wind buffeting issue on your new klr. I also own the new 2022 model, owning both the gen 1 & gen 2 in previous years. Try moving the windscreen to the lowest position. It will get rid of the mid helmet wind buffeting issue. I just tried this and went for a 200mi ride yesterday. Fixed the issue

[@markcollins5026]

Man, I have the new KLR, I added a small adjustable wind deflector to the top of the windscreen work's pretty good !

[@markadra6539]

I JUST GOT THE 2017 AFRICAN TWIN AND ITS SO FAR THE BEST DECISION I EVER MADE IM 6FT, WEIGHT AND SIZE OF THE BIKE TO ME IS OKAY

[@noobonpc275]

Awesome video man. I’m in love with my Africa twin. My last bike was a plated 2000 Xr650r. Mine is a 2019 I got for 12,000 OTD, couldn’t go wrong for that price! It’s just a big dirt bike.

[@3Telecasters]

I believe you nailed it. I own a 2007 KLR650 and a 2016 Africa Twin and I love both of them for the reasons you mention. The KLR is my do everything bike and the AT is my street bike because it's to expensive to drop.

[@chadkline4268]

Funny 🤪

[@brianlarsen6242]

I want to pass along kudos for one of the best and insightful reviews of these bikes I have seen. I ride a 2017 AT, came from an old BMW 650GS, and the head thing and weight are real. I have had to abandon my AT, call for help and hike back with buddies the next day after picking it up more times than my body could do. But for the riding I typically do it is just awesome, pavement to gravel to ugly dual track to gravel to pavement to home. The best rider I know rides a KTM 450 and is totally terrified of the weight of my bike would really ruin it for him just as you say. The head game is real. Two additional points worth a mention is how critical it is to check ones ego at the door and right the right bike, the BMW 1250 is really cool but really big and really really expensive, is that the right bike? There is nothing cool about a KLR650 (other than all motos are cool) but as you said you always get there just a a bit slower (as Amanda Zito says get out and do the thing). The last one is a really honest assessment of what you are going to ride. Hard single track is for dirt bikes, just get one and trailer it there for the most fun, tons of pavement miles to get to gravel roads is the realm of the AT or BMW. The KLR is somewhere in between, sure people can do stuff but one has to be realistic on their own capabilities and skills. (seen that guy riding trials on the AT... wow)

[@DorkintheRoad]

I appreciate the kudos and the comment

[@JCrozier1]

Solid conversation about both for sure. Confidence over everything. I'm pretty much done touring on my bandit because of its overall weight. Spring comes along, that thing is looking for a new home.

[@CraigSmith568]

I bought a 16 Africa Twin this past summer and I love it. I don't really ride it off-road more than back roads. It doesn't feel heavy at all on the highway, but the slower you go the heavier it feels. Pushing it in and out of my garage it feels extremely top heavy. I also have a KLX250 and it is so much lighter for off-road riding. The Twin definitely wins on the highway. Main things I dislike are the traction control and ABS don't stay where you set them when you turn the bike off, and I have to try and relearn the dash every time I try to re-set my trip meter or average mileage. It does do well on fuel when driving easy and I usually get over 50 M.P.G. I have sat on a KLR and I must say that is a couch for a seat on that thing.

[@kentcarper7585]

In the next two weeks, I am planning on buying the KLR “Desert Tan”version. I will add crash bars, lights, pegs and a new shifter. I am open to suggestions on modifications.

[@DorkintheRoad]

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[@noelbrown6771]

This is a very helpful episode 👏 lm trying to decide on an ADV for myself and to hear from someone who has ridden and owned a variety of models is hugely beneficial. I'm used to riding lighter dual sports and trail bikes. I'm even worried a KLR will feel too heavy for me LOL. Thanks also to your wife for tolerating your motorcycle habit! Enjoying your work brother.

[@rideoregonfirst]

Many excellent words of wisdom here....I think this was an important comparison because a lot of new dirty riders just assume that the big Adventure Bikes are easy enough to ride off-highway, and many n00bs would only consider a Japanese bike anyway (from fear of maintenance etc). They look at all the videos where the big bikes are ridden hard,.....with an experienced rider on it, and assume they can ride like that too. I mean, how hard can it be, right?

[@6806goats1]

Good info to know. Extremely huge (keyword is huge) fan of the BMW 1250 GSA after test riding it during a Harley Pan America event back in 2020 at Sturgis. The GSA was the first bike I'd ridden standing up so that gives you a reference on how little off-road time I have. Not used to standing up on my 2020 Road Glide Limited. Anywho...I need to figure out best and shortest path to get to where I feel good about running a GSA off-road before I just buy one and stack it up. Thought about the 2022 AT as a good option, maybe it'll be in the mix in the future. When I was riding back in 2020, the KLR came to mind but only recently found out they injected the beast. Now I'm thinking just go ahead with the KLR when I'm ready to go off-road and play with that awhile. Maybe even carry a smaller front sprocket to regear before an event like BDR. Never been to one, but I'd like to try the IDBDR first since it's kinda close. Not close enough that I'd want to ride 300 miles to get to the start of it. Heck, home is like 250 from the closest point. So I'll revisit the KLR and it's cheap enough that I can think of it as a back up bike later on or trade it in/sell it for the GSA. Huge step from A to B but at this point the GSA is my main goal. Smooth power, refined machine, awesome exhaust note. Buying an AT between the 2 steps is possible, we'll see. Need miles along the way. Family is in Vancouver so I get over that way at least once a year. Maybe we can meet up on a future event. Thanks.

[@jasonl489]

Thank you Wonderful review

[@2wheels.are.better.than4]

Love the KLR, I owned a gen 1. I’d buy a used AT for $9k-$10k. Have you tried the DCT? People can make fun of me for loving it but I think it’s a total game changer. Sport mode 2 for street, sport mode 3 for off road.

[@paulherron4289]

People who bash the DCT have either not ridden one or spent 10 minutes on one in drive mode. It is a game changer.

[@2wheels.are.better.than4]

@@paulherron4289 Agreed! Sport modes 2 and 3 are near perfect. Those who love it talk about how great it is around town, and it is, but I think it’s even greater off road. I love being able to remain standing while approaching a hill climb and have the DCT automatically downshift without having to sit down to shift or having to awkwardly shift while standing.

[@maxcactus7]

Which bike can you afford to drop? Which bike are you strong enough to pick up? That's why I stick to my XT250. That said, I used to own/ride a TransAlp and loved it! Just enjoy lighter/cheaper now.

[@rubiwhite3405]

Comparative reviews like these are really useful for people getting into dual sport / adventure motorcycles for the first time. I changed from a sport bike (R1) to an Africa Twin with minimal offroad experience. I admit, I fell in love with the concept and look of the AT but, in hindsight, it is too much bike for someone new to offroad riding. I have very little confidence in the front end when cornering on loose gravel but better tyres might change that. I will say that when I get it wrong and she starts to go over, I just accept that she is too heavy to save, and just step off.

[@brantmcfarland517]

Good comparison. Nailed it.

[@f22at12mm]

Really good points that others miss. Ego makes people buy bikes ahead of commonsense.

[@larrylund1138]

The big Adv. bikes are awesome on some of the flatter desert roads of Ca if you really like to haul ass but when it gets rocky, rain rutted and slippery with hills to climb they are no fun at all. The new KLR 650 really can just about do it all. It's a bit heavy on super rough stuff and could stand a little better suspension but if you take it slow and I recommend dropping the counter shaft sprocket to a 14 tooth if you have to go slow which is do able but you can do that kind of riding and have fun. It is a fun bike to ride just about everywhere. I really like mine a lot.

[@insatiable_mind]

I love my KLR. I’m glad for the decision. I eventually want a smaller dual sport and a road bike of some kind but I think the KLR is my spirit animal 😂

[@SmokinZen]

My T7 felt like a big bike in the beginning now I am beginning to feel more confident on it. With time I hope it will feel even better.

[@lyubengeorgiev1751]

Thanks for your insides about both bikes. However, there are some other limiting factors here in Europe: We don't have anything like the 2022 KLR 650 for sale here. The closest competitor would be a BMW G650GS and I believe that this is not in production anymore. In a matter of fact, I bought gen2 KLR 650 just before Christmas and now it's a hell of a nightmare to register it (still don't know if I can make it). Small friendly remark: you had the 5th generation of the Africa Twin that came into 2016. The first one is from 1988 to 1990 and it is known as XRV 650, si the same cc like the KLR but with V-twin cylinder engine. Fortunatelly I own one, unfortunately...it is under total rebuild for one year now (so I got the KLR as a substitute bike). I really hope that I will be able to finish the rebuild soon and register the KLR, in order to perform side-by-side comparesment. Keep up with the great videos and all the best this year!

[@skyecooleyartwork]

Love to see a comparison of your new KLR and the old XRV 650 Africa Twin (i.e., Pedro Moto). Keep up the dork work!

[@onerider808]

The two bikes are incommensurate (that means like trying to compare the number 13 to the color orange). The KLR is a mule, the Afrika Twin a boat. Still, good episode (as always).

[@AirJarvis]

Fantastic analysis. Just starting out on adventure riding. I have a VStrom 650xt and ride 2 up most of the time with light dirt action. Some great stories being made. Great bike! Dreams of getting my wife riding single and someday getting out into some more aggressive trails. Someday… like the idea of a lighter bike. My VStom is heavy enough, I cringe a bit at the thought of an even heaver bike for trails.

[@leonardomartinez7160]

Excelente video... Greetings from Tecojorita municipio de Terrompo el Chico Jalisco México

[@lincolnjamrog4793]

Pretty good assessment man, I put 25k on a klr and am in between bikes, AT is my next rig, here in MT there is a ton of hiway to get anywhere and the klr was fun on dirt roads but miserable everywhere else. I feel the AT is at least as capable off road as a klr and far superior on the road and that is something I am willing to pay for

[@ziranwolf2696]

Did you try the AT with the Honda LOW seat(not the low position)? I found a low mileage 2019 at a great price but developed some of the same insecurity as you shared about the weight and height. I found the stock seat comfortable, if not a little too spongey, I always felt like I was sliding around, so I immediately used the low position which was better. When I bought the oem low seat, the difference was dramatic. I no longer felt like I was about to drop the bike, but “almost” always maintained a stable position where I could keep the bike from getting away from me. The “low” seat is quite a bit firmer than the stock “pillow”, but I actually like it better. Hopefully this helps a viewer that has developed a love/ hate relationship with his AT, salvage his ride. Cheers

[@jancoetzer9941]

Great video! I totally get the confidence-thing! Very true.

[@jwmoffat]

I hear you on worrying about the weight. Have a FJR1300 and there have been a few places where I worry about its 650+ lbs.

[@DartWinger]

Weight is a good bit of the reason I got rid of the GSA. It was only a matter of time before i dumped that thing in the garage or the porch and almost did a few times. I ended up with the F700GS title in hand. Yea it's less adventurey than the 800/850 but with a few mods it'll do what I ask of it and being a parallel twin - it weighs as much as the new KLR we. Gas tank is under your bum so lower center of gravity too.

[@DartWinger]

Same here, i was thinking always about coming to a stop for 6 years, even with a lower seat.

[@kevinmason3141]

you are our internet buddy, good review, good points.....tks

[@singlespeedman]

I find the AT to be amazing for comfort in long trips. I can do 12 hour days cross country and I’m pretty fresh when I get off the bike.

[@foamysking]

Would love to hear your take between the Africa twin and cb500x

[@jakewilliams7431]

Hey dude I just started watching your videos. I think you got some great content here, totally digging it. I watch it during the down time on my night shifts. Are going to be doing any rider meetups? I am in Tacoma. My pronouns are KLR, Versys, and TW200. Peace!

[@MotoCountdown]

Could you compare KLR 650 and cfmoto 450 mt? I am in dilemma which one to buy.

[@unclebadger597]

KLR makes you less afraid to drop it

[@RaptorPackAdventures]

Very good evaluation of each bike. I have fallen in love with my 2015 KLR 650. I have to admit, my buddy did so many upgrades to it that other friends who have ridden it say it’s more like a motocross bike than a fat slow pig. It’s all good, the KLR is an excellent bike for someone like me who has just ventured off road for the first time at 57 years old. Would love for you to ride my KLR and hear what your opinion is. Happy New Year my friend

[@davidornelas5835]

Had a completely different experience....the Twin put the air flow into my helmet which was awful. Even when your get the buffer element that fit around the trip clamp and tank for the Twin the air noise was awful....headache city after 30min and this was with an aftermarket taller windscreen. Not an issue with the stock Gen 3 KLR. Much, much, much more fun on the KLR 90% of the time. Yes, agree on the freeway at 75-85MPH the Twin is smoother. Maintenance is much, much easier on the KLR. With crash bars....2 hrs to get to the air filter on the twin....3 min on the KLR. The top heaviness on the Twin was awful and I had no desire to ride it offroad. KLR....look forward to riding offroad. Price? I have no issues if the KLR tips over. The Twin....I had nightmares about having that thing fall over and the replacement cost of items as a result. I do miss the DCT but, I feel much more connected with the manual tranny of the KLR and the handling is 100% better.

[@mwl5]

Dork, when you say new rider, do you mean new motorcycle rider or new ADV rider? I've ridden street for 15 years with some bikes being AT size & power. I want to get into ADVing off-pavement and less technical stuff, but I still want a bike that can go 70 comfortably on pavement. AT over KLR, or better yet, Transalp?

[@luedog8385]

Well I haven't rode either, but going from a 500lb cbr600rr to a 850lb Honda vtx1800r was very different. I dropped the vtx1800r so many time on slow tight turns at 1st. But now I can whip that heavy bike around like nothing. Everything just takes practice

[@hvymax]

KLR is the 4 cylinder CJ5 of motorcycles.

[@PatrickSmart603]

Great review!

[@leonardomartinez7160]

Are you going to do the doohickey to your Kawasaki KLR650?

[@raymondreid3958]

Dude, and I know would be just your opinion, but that said out of all the bike you have ridden what is your favorite bike of all?

[@billmcmeekin7909]

I've ridden many bikes, mountain sleds, UTV and ATVs. The coolest thing I absolutely love on my twin has to be es. Electronic suspension makes the bike fit so many terrains and weight changes. Try a new AT, you might be surprised. I do love the apocalypse bike though! Every gen has delivered, and you can never go wrong on a KLR ehh 🇨🇦 :-)

[@tutes0133]

I am rather jealous of the ES and the cruise control if you have it on yours. The only things I feel lacking on my 2018 DCT. Beyond that? Good god I'm in love.

[@billmcmeekin7909]

@@tutes0133 Yes I also have cruise control. I never thought of it being so important on an adventure bike, but you are definitely right on how nice it is. When riding Alberta prairies and chewing up pavement miles, it makes your ride. My bud has a manual clip on cruise device. Says it helps. Might be worth investigating? Happy trails in 2022 everyone, covid free I pray :-)

[@viralsheddingzombie5324]

How do the Triumph Tiger models compare?

[@bigdadgo]

Was your Africa Twin a DCT or manual?

[@snackpacking]

Hey DitR, have you had any cold start issues with your gen3? Lots are reporting that it doesn't want to start in sub 30F temps. I just got mine a few days ago and haven't tested that.

[@DorkintheRoad]

I haven't had any issues but it almost never gets that cold here

[@clarkpitts5393]

A+ review.

[@firsttimerplantingseeds]

I agree about KLR . I now have my KLR for last 2 years and I feel like something wrong with the engine all the time. becuase of noise and vibration. also KLR seat is evil. can't deal with that seat no more then 30min. now I am ready for africa twin.

[@benfox8571]

DIR: "Don't listen to me for financial advice." Lol

[@viralsheddingzombie5324]

Is there any word from Honda about a junior sized Africa Twin, say 700 to 800cc?

[@VelcorHF]

The KLR is also about the only bike out there that is harder to kill and has more parts availability than a Honda.

[@donalddevison7884]

Did you lay the AT down and try to pick it up

[@DorkintheRoad]

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[@patricianell2887]

Hi Dork...do you ride with a neckbrace ?

[@DorkintheRoad]

I don't but probably should on the trails

[@Hookmeister]

With KLR’s getting heavier it seems like the new Transalp would be the better choice.

[@timsatch9198]

Well put

[@abhijitkelkar1313]

excellent one

[@jamesbranigin863]

It all boils down to the rider not so much the bike, but take that from a guy that grew up on CB’s & 2 stroke dirt bikes.