Before the Dodgers | Lost LA | Season 1, Episode 2 | KCET

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@lindawoody8501
@lindawoody8501 3 жыл бұрын
My late great grand aunt Ruth was one of those last few residents at Chavez Ravine. She was a renter and good friends with the owner with whom she had lived. Both were very elderly women. My great grand aunt was the lady who shook her cane for the newspaper camera in a famous photo that has been circulated for several years. She was never the same after she had to move out and lived unhappily for several months in temporary motel housing before finding a new place for her remaining years. So, I say: Always remember Chavez Ravine, the neighborhood that was.
@dislikesquare8749
@dislikesquare8749 2 жыл бұрын
Truly sad.
@RonPaulgirls
@RonPaulgirls Жыл бұрын
WE NEED TO MASS DEPORT MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS FROM CALIFORNIA TO MAKE IT GREAT AGAIN.........AND NOT LOOK LIKE TJ.
@margiearaujo6680
@margiearaujo6680 Жыл бұрын
It is a shame that the residents of Chavez Ravine were never given anything for their land by the La city council, till this day they have never been 😢given a marker to remember the residents
@higher_pwr8178
@higher_pwr8178 Жыл бұрын
The city paid residents 10k. Those who refused to leave turned down the eminent domain payment were issuedunlawful detainers.
@arttrujillo7949
@arttrujillo7949 Жыл бұрын
​@@higher_pwr8178Kind of like the Indians. Told what to do or else.
@misacruzader
@misacruzader 6 ай бұрын
I would honestly and truly like to see a movie about this Los Angeles history. So few stories of Chicanos are told and I think this is a testament to our legacy.
@HustlePaul
@HustlePaul 4 жыл бұрын
I grew up on sunset blvd and marion . born in 1990 and had no idea of the history ..Thank you for this show. Sucks they dont teach you this in school.
@Bellathebear777
@Bellathebear777 2 жыл бұрын
They don't even teach math anymore. Wokeism is the new Commiefornia indoctrination under newscum puglosi shifty & waters. Russian hoax anyone. Criminals are running & ruining Calif. & These United States. They sold y'all out for CCP profits....
@RonPaulgirls
@RonPaulgirls Жыл бұрын
THEY SPREAD ALL KINDS OF WOKE GARBAGE NOW, WHICH I'M SURE YOU'D SUCK UP BECAUSE YOU'RE CRAZY
@southsidecompton9668
@southsidecompton9668 2 ай бұрын
It was either Dodgers Stadium or Housing projects you chose?
@marksustayta1537
@marksustayta1537 5 жыл бұрын
My grandfather and all his brothers hated the Dodgers for this. When my grandfather came back from Europe after the occupation of Germany, he was unable to find his family. He later signed up to become a Drill Instructor in the Army, this is when he seen my Great-uncle, his brother, who joined the Army and told him where they had moved in the San Fernando Valley.
@cynnnavarro3458
@cynnnavarro3458 4 жыл бұрын
That must have been real painful my heart goes out to your familia ✊🏽💙
@dislikesquare8749
@dislikesquare8749 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry but your grandfather and his brothers hated the wrong people. The Dodgers had NOTHING to do with the eviction of the Chavez ravine community. ZERO. Blaming the Dodgers for the demise of Chavez Ravine as a residential community is a completely FALSE NARRATIVE. Dodger Stadium DID NOT "displace" ANYONE but came along long after everyone was evicted to make way for a large planned community that never happened. The Dodgers simply picked up the pieces of an earlier mess which began as a massive project to improve what LA County considered to be a number of "blighted" communities that included Chavez Ravine. What happened to the residents of Chavez Ravine was a tragedy, but the Dodgers had nothing to do with it. If a driver hits and severely injures or kills a pedestrian and then sells the "accident car" to someone else, we don't blame the new owner/driver of the car for the injuries caused by the car's previous owner. This is the case with the Dodgers; they bought the land in Chavez Ravine AFTER all of the failed political, legal & business wrangling that displaced a community.
@realityhurts8697
@realityhurts8697 5 жыл бұрын
My father born in 1948 grew up in Chavez ravine before Dodger stadium
@gregfisher
@gregfisher 5 жыл бұрын
I grew up in Los Angeles in the late 1940's-50's and I remember watching them build Dodger Stadium. It displaced quite a few families...but not nearly as many as the construction of the Harbor Freeway.
@xjew4ux
@xjew4ux 5 жыл бұрын
Gregory Fisher and the lax fwy
@sredson
@sredson 5 жыл бұрын
So can you tell me how the air back then smelled? I know It's completely off-topic, but how did you guys live with all the lead exhaust fumes during that era?
@lawrence-yx1ew
@lawrence-yx1ew 3 жыл бұрын
@@sredson my father tells me there were days where it hurt to breathe. Do everyone just staying inside
@benjaminlibertarianscorpio
@benjaminlibertarianscorpio 3 жыл бұрын
All freeways interestingly lead to Anaheim and Disneyland I reckon Disney displaced more people
@benjaminlibertarianscorpio
@benjaminlibertarianscorpio 3 жыл бұрын
And also excludedBlacks and LatinX and also gay people
@tonymedina8125
@tonymedina8125 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting history there. Bet many people living in Los Angeles don't know about this.
@luiscarrillo8178
@luiscarrillo8178 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I bet, most people in LA aren't born here they come from elsewhere looking for the American dream
@jamesrivera4947
@jamesrivera4947 Жыл бұрын
T, there are people who don't know that California and parts of several other states were once Mexican territory 😏
@danram247
@danram247 3 ай бұрын
I know right? Hence the Spanish names of cities and state...​@@jamesrivera4947
@johnnyt4538
@johnnyt4538 2 ай бұрын
My grandparents on bth sides lived around the corner from the police academy I was a kid remember playing there when most of the houses were already gone just the cement porches were left and some of the homeless people use to go to the porches at night singing and drinking next to a fire. I was there when they dragged the lady out of her home then ran a bulldozer through it some guy shouting now you don’t have a home. Man that stayed in me my head my whole life I was 4-5 years old God bless all those people. But that’s America. Oh yea my dad was born in his home there in 1928. On Gabriel.
@garryfield5319
@garryfield5319 8 жыл бұрын
i have to say that this is one of the best films i have ever seen.both great and sad at the same time..good post.
@rc19531
@rc19531 8 жыл бұрын
The episode "Dan Hostage " on the 1950s series Highway Patrol was filmed here. The diner shown was located at the corner of Effie Street and Raposa Street right in the middle of the ill-fated Chavez Ravine area. This area is now under the parking lot of Dodger Stadium. The episode was aired on May 4, 1959.
@joemackey1950
@joemackey1950 6 жыл бұрын
HP has been a favourite show of mine. Thanks for the info. I only wish more locations were credited for a then and now look using Google Earth.
@charlesflinnill978
@charlesflinnill978 5 жыл бұрын
I remember that show. Broderick Crawford as Lt. Dan Mathews. Thx for that info, I'll have to check it on the "tube".
@charlesflinnill978
@charlesflinnill978 5 жыл бұрын
@@joemackey1950 : That would be cool.
@bleedblue2695
@bleedblue2695 5 жыл бұрын
Woah
@DrLumpyDMus
@DrLumpyDMus 5 жыл бұрын
Broderick Crawford was convicted of DWI and his driver's lic was suspended during part of the run of the Highway Patrol series. They had to film that period of the series inside Griffith Park because he couldn't legally drive on regular streets. They filmed a lot of the "non DWI episodes" in what was then rural Thousand Oaks. Thanks - Lumpy
@jinjitsu4350
@jinjitsu4350 7 жыл бұрын
One of the oldest hospital next to dodger stadium is Barlow. It was built in 1902 and still in business today.
@dislikesquare8749
@dislikesquare8749 Жыл бұрын
You've done your homework. It was abandoned as a hospital and repurposed not long after it was built.
@ronaldvrooman9695
@ronaldvrooman9695 5 күн бұрын
It's the Barlow Respiratory Hospital; a lot of tuberculosis and pneumonia patients have gone there. But, for decades, it was in sort of a bad place because of the L.A. smog.
@Russell-x8w
@Russell-x8w 6 ай бұрын
My friend's father was an man named Jose. He was born in 1929 and was raised in Chavez Ravine. Jose told me how he and his family were forced out and had to move to Lincoln Heights. Strangely, he was a big Dodger's fan, but some of his family refused to ever go to the stadium. Jose is gone now and I regret not asking him more questions about his neighborhood, etc. We did talk about Chavez Ravine, but I have so many unanswered questions for him that I will never be able to ask, nor know the answers.
@loualcaraz6497
@loualcaraz6497 5 жыл бұрын
If you were born in the 50's in LA and are Mexican-American, you knew somebody who was displaced. The stories were horrific.
@southsidecompton9668
@southsidecompton9668 2 ай бұрын
Can't blame the Dodgers, blame LA they were going to build housing projects.
@marthavillafana1002
@marthavillafana1002 2 ай бұрын
¡Gracias!
@PBSSoCal
@PBSSoCal 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for supporting public media!
@danielmorse6597
@danielmorse6597 7 жыл бұрын
Good show! A former SoCal resident I was always amazed by the place. It's amazing, if somewhat, dark history.
@Adartse310
@Adartse310 2 жыл бұрын
Great doc, heavy content.
@ZhangtheGreat
@ZhangtheGreat 7 жыл бұрын
Even some fans today don't realize how important Fernando Valenzuela was for the Dodgers. It was his presence and performances that helped heal many of the wounds left from the forced evictions at Chavez Ravine in order to build Dodger Stadium.
@Lawomenshoops
@Lawomenshoops 5 жыл бұрын
Sandy Koufax did NOT throw the first pitch at dodger stadium. The starting pitcher for the LA dodgers on April 10, 1962 was Johnny Podres!!
@johndough23
@johndough23 5 жыл бұрын
KCET has a Racist Caucasian bias.
@sweetmapleleafs
@sweetmapleleafs 5 жыл бұрын
Sandy Koufax didnt even throw the first no hitter at Dodger Stadium. Bo Belinsky of the Angels beat Koufax to it by 51 days
@robburnquist
@robburnquist 4 жыл бұрын
@@johndough23 seriously. Go to 4:28
@pt8175
@pt8175 4 жыл бұрын
Yep Johnny Podres was the pitcher. At 1 p.m., Kay O’Malley threw out the ceremonial first pitch to catcher John Roseboro. The honor was a “two day early” birthday present from her husband who was the Dodger President Walter O'Malley.
@AnimeBronx
@AnimeBronx 4 жыл бұрын
You’re wrong. They are talking about Opening Day, not exhibition.
@calihustler08
@calihustler08 9 жыл бұрын
thank you KCET
@stevekatz9986
@stevekatz9986 8 жыл бұрын
many hispanics were evicted from their homes to build dodger stadium...for years no hispanics would see the dodgers play...now 90% of the fans at the park are hispanic.......WTF
@elchivato8147
@elchivato8147 8 жыл бұрын
Two words Fernando Valenzuela
@stevekatz9986
@stevekatz9986 8 жыл бұрын
I guess.....also human have a short memory span
@creativekiiier1649
@creativekiiier1649 7 жыл бұрын
humans or mexicans?
@1richnasty
@1richnasty 7 жыл бұрын
Of course it started with Fernando. Not quite 90% of the fans at the stadium are Hispanic but I feel a large amount is because Fernando and it is Los Angeles. Don’t matter what ethnicity goes to the stadium we all have one thing in common. We bleed Dodger Blue.
@markemyshibukawa9254
@markemyshibukawa9254 7 жыл бұрын
Yup! Doyer Dogs!
@austinoldfield5251
@austinoldfield5251 5 жыл бұрын
My great grand mother always hated the dodgers for displacing her and so many other Hispanic people
@charlesflinnill978
@charlesflinnill978 5 жыл бұрын
Figures, Dodgers can do what they want.
@williewill1237
@williewill1237 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking one for the team👍
@furtherdefinitions1
@furtherdefinitions1 5 жыл бұрын
and people in Brooklyn hated their owner J. Walter 'O' Malley for moving them out of Brooklyn. He was never safe on the streets of Brooklyn after that.
@BeerCanDan93
@BeerCanDan93 5 жыл бұрын
Feliks Gailitis I laugh when those babies blame him when he wanted to keep them there he had a great proposal for a beautiful new stadium but some POS I forgot his name refused it no matter what he just wouldn’t budge. He’s your enemy. I forgot his name but watch the ghosts of Flatbush it explains everything
@clvrswine
@clvrswine 5 жыл бұрын
No one cares.
@coconut3626
@coconut3626 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙏
@p2p104
@p2p104 2 жыл бұрын
I am not american, never been to L.A. but these series are work of art documentary.
@ddoperations2768
@ddoperations2768 5 жыл бұрын
La was actually nice back in 1877.
@jamesallen5591
@jamesallen5591 5 жыл бұрын
It was okay. But nothing like 1860, when it really started to go downhill.
@DrunkenSlob
@DrunkenSlob 5 жыл бұрын
D&D Operations it’s nice now I’m sorry you’re broke and find yourself in the shithole but the rest of us get to enjoy the west side
@jamesallen5591
@jamesallen5591 5 жыл бұрын
@@DrunkenSlob Do all jokes fly that high over your head?
@DrunkenSlob
@DrunkenSlob 5 жыл бұрын
James Allen who’s replying to you?
@jamesallen5591
@jamesallen5591 5 жыл бұрын
@@DrunkenSlob I'm posting on the internet. Why don't you have arrested for committing that crime? Moron.
@richardlucero9265
@richardlucero9265 7 жыл бұрын
love watching L.A. history!, there's always something new to learn!;)
@alvarodiaz2979
@alvarodiaz2979 Жыл бұрын
I grew up around Elysian Park, all my life, born and raised in this neighborhood. There’s nothing better than to feeling Los Angeles. There’s something in the land that remains in the heart of a Mexican American, or a Latino living in this neighborhood is like you can here the land telling you it’s past. And hearing the story about Chavez ravine always makes me cry. No wonder nobody wears the dodger uniform better than Chicanos
@jayflo714
@jayflo714 5 жыл бұрын
The battles that occurred between Mexican and US armies in downtown LA over possession of the city was not mentioned and is kind important.
@Kain5th
@Kain5th 3 жыл бұрын
They do in other episodes
@ronlight7013
@ronlight7013 Жыл бұрын
Does anybody know, is Mount Lookout the site of what's generally referred to as a "forty-niner" (pow wow) in the movie The Exiles?
@djscratchnsniff
@djscratchnsniff 10 ай бұрын
thanks for the video
@clarkewi
@clarkewi 7 жыл бұрын
I moved to LA as a kid in 1958, the year the Dodger's and Giants moved west. Was a wonderful place in those days.
@LongieR8er
@LongieR8er 7 жыл бұрын
Still is a wonderful city, honestly !
@clarkewi
@clarkewi 6 жыл бұрын
@@LongieR8er Not like it was in those days, believe me. I was there. LA city public school system was number one. Now its at the bottom.
@dondressel4802
@dondressel4802 5 жыл бұрын
clarkewi all school systems in California are at the bottom They keep throwing money into the school system and it never gets better as my co-worker who was on a school board told me
@nickc247
@nickc247 5 жыл бұрын
@@dondressel4802 Very untrue. You have to find the right areas within the state - big place, you know
@doktorbimmer
@doktorbimmer 8 жыл бұрын
Thank god, I though for a moment this story wasn't going to have a happy ending.
@TimothyForbesXXI
@TimothyForbesXXI 5 жыл бұрын
Chavez Ravine is to Los Angeles like the 98 Acres is to Albany, NY. Sad.
@275Vet-RLTW
@275Vet-RLTW 11 ай бұрын
Only 20 families were left when they started to build dodger stadium? Id always pictured way more based on the historical villification
@ronaldvrooman9695
@ronaldvrooman9695 5 күн бұрын
Most of the residents were forced to leave about 10 years earlier. They were required to move in order to make way for the public housing development which never materialized. The housing project was basically cancelled because of the "Red Scare;" anything with the word "public" attached to it was associated with socialism or communism.
@spinedoc18
@spinedoc18 2 ай бұрын
As a NY-er I've always been focused on the aspect of the beloved Dodgers being ripped out of Brooklyn. Now, I understand the losses on the Los Angeles side. It was a travesty for everyone involved.
@CesarClouds
@CesarClouds Жыл бұрын
13:49 I see camera crews, does anybody know if that footage is available for viewing?
@perroblanco49
@perroblanco49 6 жыл бұрын
many people lost their home when they build the 60 fwy back in 1964.
@realityhurts8697
@realityhurts8697 5 жыл бұрын
Cant forget the century in 80s and 90s
@savagedick3848
@savagedick3848 5 жыл бұрын
D Garland Even till this day with the expansion of the Metro Line. It’s Called progress, makes life easier in the long run.
@krusty6246
@krusty6246 5 жыл бұрын
It’s always screw the lower class over big business
@anthonyelgin8653
@anthonyelgin8653 4 жыл бұрын
I cannot believe Tonka tribes once lived there,I always played with tonka toys,it brought joy but at what costs,cleared my memory of the tribe which I know so little of ,I can only hope their are existing members.honor those who are silenced .
@josecarranza7555
@josecarranza7555 4 жыл бұрын
This is why my family and I are not Dodgers fans, we're Angels fans. Angels were named after the city of Los Angeles and been here in LA market ever since the late 1890's, as a minor league team until 1957. Gene Autry bought back the Angels name for the Los Angeles Angels. Angels are LA's original team.
@southsidecompton9668
@southsidecompton9668 3 жыл бұрын
Fuck the Angels fuck Orange County!
@josecarranza7555
@josecarranza7555 2 жыл бұрын
@@southsidecompton9668 You sound stupid.
@Therealyeezus17
@Therealyeezus17 2 ай бұрын
The should of called dibs on the ravine
@lukepeita7026
@lukepeita7026 4 жыл бұрын
This is so insightful gotta love this stuff
@user-zx8de8op9l
@user-zx8de8op9l Ай бұрын
Well done
@truthserum5202
@truthserum5202 3 жыл бұрын
Dodger Stadium is yet another sad story in Los Angeles where so many grand places and structures were lost to developers eager to make a buck. The city planners were shameful in their greed as they allowed so many beautiful buildings, roads, tunnels and estates to be torn down in the name of 'progress'. Today, LA is a horrible, filthy, smog filled corridor of ugliness. As a child I played in Orange Groves, Walnut Groves and open spaces. There were dirt roads, ranches and such beautiful places to linger. Now, most, if not all of that is gone and what replaced it is a tragic statement of humanity run amuck. And it is not better, but much worse than it once was. I am glad I left there after the first 50 years of my life and will never return.
@mborges2133
@mborges2133 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, thank you for remembering the barrio of Chavez Ravine!
@steelmike1981
@steelmike1981 2 жыл бұрын
The Barrio or a future of hoodlums having another hood to call home. The history sucks, yes, but most hood vatos would have made things worse.
@chadjaeger7626
@chadjaeger7626 5 жыл бұрын
The constant drone of music under the spoken parts of this documentary is distracting and unnecessary.
@dennisrohatyn7782
@dennisrohatyn7782 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent program (and series). Nathan Masters is a premier historian. However, Sandy Koufax did not throw the first pitch at Dodger Stadium. That signal honor went to Johnny Podres, who worked 7.1 innings on opening day (April 10, 1962) before 52,564 paying customers, only to be tagged with the loss as the visiting Cincinnati Reds beat L.A., 6-3. Reds' starter Bob Purkey, who also pitched 7.1, got the win, while Wally Post's 3-run HR in the 7th, the first ever at the new ballpark, was the decisive hit. Koufax pitched the next day (April 11), hurling a complete game, allowing 4 hits while striking out 7 as the Dodgers won, 4-2, before a crowd of 35,296. Jim Gilliam's 2-run HR in the 4th made the difference. Reds' starter Moe Drabowsky took the loss. Thank you again for this outstanding contribution to public television.
@Abigail.Shobi.Israel
@Abigail.Shobi.Israel 5 жыл бұрын
The Tongva people? Where are they now!?
@ubroc
@ubroc 4 жыл бұрын
Displaced by the people who were displaced by the Dodgers.
@asiafaith6736
@asiafaith6736 2 жыл бұрын
Right here !! We are still here !!
@kdm71291
@kdm71291 2 жыл бұрын
So, was the lithograph taken from about where the Elysian Park helipad is....or a little farther towards the stadium...on a hill top that was brought down?
@gerardoaguilar4579
@gerardoaguilar4579 4 жыл бұрын
This so so beautiful... what once was
@leonardothefabulous3490
@leonardothefabulous3490 Жыл бұрын
Great job.
@maryMartinez1813
@maryMartinez1813 8 жыл бұрын
My great grandfather bought the first land in Chavez ravine thats why is called Chavez ravine, then other people came and settled there. My sir name is Chavez and I am Proud of it.
@esvinperez7225
@esvinperez7225 7 жыл бұрын
mary Martinez sad to know what happened to those family members
@maryMartinez1813
@maryMartinez1813 7 жыл бұрын
thanks for your thoughts.
@cinewillp6391
@cinewillp6391 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome that your surname is Chavez, I always take time to cut thru the area and imagine old LA on my way back to Silverlake..
@maryMartinez1813
@maryMartinez1813 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sir.
@hendrixphish420
@hendrixphish420 7 жыл бұрын
surname
@elvaledecolima
@elvaledecolima 8 жыл бұрын
That was messdup for the people living there. They got punked out scammed.
@paintinganimalsonrocks7633
@paintinganimalsonrocks7633 4 жыл бұрын
Just like some people today (trump & other racists) they think of brown and black people as just obsticles in their way to make more money.
@paintinganimalsonrocks7633
@paintinganimalsonrocks7633 4 жыл бұрын
My Grandmother was a Chavez from LA. I wonder if she was from Chavez Revine? Or her Ancestors.
@gamernorcal
@gamernorcal 8 жыл бұрын
think if Dodger stadium was reversed. You would have a great shot of Downtown L.A. viewing from home plate out to the outfield.
@charlesjwin
@charlesjwin 7 жыл бұрын
Gamer Norcal The Dodgers would have had to landscape the topography quite differently.
@LongieR8er
@LongieR8er 7 жыл бұрын
Gamer norcal, the sun would be killer if the stadium was reversed. Also walking out of the top deck seating area and looking towards DTLA is jaw dropping, especially at night.
@kenrhino7904
@kenrhino7904 5 жыл бұрын
But the sun would be in the player's eyes.
@averydavis4050
@averydavis4050 Жыл бұрын
My father took me to a Dodgers game in the early 70’s. I remember some Mexicans seated behind us and they were yelling at the Dodgers that still land. I asked my father what they were talking about. He lean over to me and told that the City stole their land and gave it to that SOB McNally to build this stadium. I was shocked to learn later that we were seated by third base where a elementary was buried.
@OldRustySteele
@OldRustySteele Жыл бұрын
It’s O’Malley. Walter O’Malley. Not McNally.
@HarZoiD
@HarZoiD 2 жыл бұрын
My main gripe, aside from the terrible forced evictions, is that the stadium should have been rotated 180 degrees to face downtown LA. The views would have been stunning.
@ShaneGeeter
@ShaneGeeter 4 күн бұрын
Baseball stadiums are oriented so the sun sets behind the batter. It is too dangerous to batters for the pitch coming out of the sun. So, the batter faces east. That is why lefthanded pitchers are called "southpaws." Rotating the stadium 180 degrees would not be allowed by the major leagues.
@211em
@211em 7 жыл бұрын
kcet please if you are going to do a documentary about the Chavez Ravine are please let the people know about Frank Wilkinson and how he was accused of being a communist so the project intended for the area was stopped and the land stood idle. The first notice for the people to leave was 1950, the project was cancelled in late 1952 and the Dodgers didn’t move in to the park until 1962 so please get it together KCET.
@ag7dragonfly
@ag7dragonfly 5 жыл бұрын
thanks brah can't believe they didn't mention Wilkinson. they trippin.
@ShmuelWeintraub
@ShmuelWeintraub 5 жыл бұрын
It's fair to criticize the program for not including mention of the original housing project that was planned for the (former) residents of Chavez Ravine. However, since the program is about the historic uses of the land the Dodgers would eventually occupy, I guess I can understand why they didn't go into the Wilkinson/public housing angle... the land was never actually used for that project. It remains one of the most scandalous stories in Los Angeles' history. I would urge anyone who hasn't already seen the 30 minute (Bullfrog film?) documentary on the history of Chavez Ravine to watch it. It's fine work.
@ElMello1940
@ElMello1940 2 жыл бұрын
KCET actually did make a documentary about Chavez Ravine that included film and commentary from Frank Wilkinson and how he was accused of being a communist. I saw it on KCET a few nights ago, and I personally believe that Wilkinson was used as a fall boy for when the bottom fell out of the housing project plans.
@dislikesquare8749
@dislikesquare8749 2 жыл бұрын
211em: You are correct. Blaming the Dodgers for the demise of Chavez Ravine as a residential community is a completely FALSE NARRATIVE. Dodger Stadium DID NOT "displace" ANYONE but came along long after everyone was evicted to make way for a large planned community that never happened. The Dodgers simply picked up the pieces of an earlier mess which began as a massive project to improve what LA County considered to be a number of "blighted" communities that included Chavez Ravine. What happened to the residents of Chavez Ravine was a tragedy, but the Dodgers had nothing to do with it. If a driver hits and severely injures or kills a pedestrian and then sells the "accident car" to someone else, we don't blame the new owner/driver of the car for the injuries caused by the car's previous owner. This is the case with the Dodgers; they bought the land in Chavez Ravine AFTER all of the failed political, legal & business wrangling that displaced a community.
@211em
@211em 2 жыл бұрын
@@dislikesquare8749excellent comment.
@yourguidetorights3909
@yourguidetorights3909 Жыл бұрын
You make it sound like the dodgers wiped out Chavez Ravine. The city of Los Angeles did it in 1952. Long before the Dodgers were even in the picture. 😊
@michaellee3903
@michaellee3903 2 ай бұрын
The real villains in this story are the developers and city officials who wanted to drive out the residents. The Dodgers just happened to drop in when the new LA mayor refused to proceed with the public housing project. Can't really blame O'Malley who interestingly enough was screwed over by NYC officials and Robert Moses in trying to build a new stadium in Brooklyn. Irony of ironies.
@aaronwilliams6989
@aaronwilliams6989 3 жыл бұрын
WOOAH! WHAT A HISTORY!
@joevignolor4u949
@joevignolor4u949 5 жыл бұрын
And don't forget that the Dodgers were the heart and soul of another neighborhood back in Brooklyn. That heart and soul was ripped out and moved to Los Angeles. Ebbits Field was demolished and turned into a pubic housing project while the public housing project in LA was never built and Dodger Stadium was built there instead. I guess that money is all that matters in the modern world.
@bradwesley8419
@bradwesley8419 5 жыл бұрын
Money is pretty important, go to the grocery store and see if a poem or tap dance will pay for the groceries next time.
@joevignolor4u949
@joevignolor4u949 5 жыл бұрын
​@@bradwesley8419 Yes money is important. But it isn't everything. Both the Dodgers and Braves abandoned their cities and moved away due to economic conditions and changing demographics. But Tom Yawkey stuck it out and kept the Red Sox in Boston. That's why both the team and Fenway Park are still here today instead of another apartment building.
@bradwesley8419
@bradwesley8419 5 жыл бұрын
Joe Vignolo It’s a free market, last I checked. An owner of a team risks his or her capital into the franchise, there’s no fault trying to make the best deal possible as long as it’s within the legal boundaries
@joevignolor4u949
@joevignolor4u949 5 жыл бұрын
@@bradwesley8419 Well I don't completely agree. There is something to be said for incorporating loyalty to a community and to your fan base and to considering people's feelings and emotions when making decisions. Otherwise it will continue turning into a pretty cold and hard world when everything is just all about money.
@bradwesley8419
@bradwesley8419 5 жыл бұрын
Joe Vignolo As soon as you start working for free or exist in a world where money is irrelevant, I’ll take you seriously
@iamgermane
@iamgermane Жыл бұрын
They did not have pictures of the before? I find that hard to believe.
@thebeerlovinglover9278
@thebeerlovinglover9278 6 жыл бұрын
Beautiful view from the stadium but they really didn't take in consideration how it would impact traffic and residential areas surrounding the stadium.. traffic is horrible when its game day.
@nedludd7622
@nedludd7622 3 жыл бұрын
The stadium was built with private money, which was better than the taxpayer funding used since. However, the land was another thing. In 1949 it was planned to be a public housing area and it was acquired in large by eminent domain. Then a new mayor canceled that project. The city acquired the land at a low price from a federal agency. The Dodgers got the land in exchange for some other land they owned, but I couldn't find details on that. Anyway, effectively eminent domain was used to build a private sports stadium. George W. Bush's group used that tactic to build their baseball stadium. That is how GWB made his fortune, on stolen land.
@charlesdowell4505
@charlesdowell4505 Жыл бұрын
I was a kid then living right off Riverside Dr, I remember the turmoil surrounding land acquisitions and stand offs with residents at the time.
@zacharyoliver5332
@zacharyoliver5332 5 жыл бұрын
Isn't this season 1 e2? You have two different videos labeled as s2e2 .
@saigonoi9558
@saigonoi9558 7 жыл бұрын
my grandma lived up there in the 30s and went to Belmont high
@gme213la2
@gme213la2 5 жыл бұрын
wtf i Belmont high still there
@gme213la2
@gme213la2 5 жыл бұрын
damn!
@AntonioGomez-lk6jm
@AntonioGomez-lk6jm 5 жыл бұрын
Being of Hispanic decent, I didn't know about this, then again I was only 8 yrs old. But I'm surprised that my dad who came from Mexico in the late forties didn't mention this to me. He was a big Dodgers fan, as well as I, as well as my son. But now, after listening to this bit of history, I'm very frustrated to hear of this. I'm all for progress, but not at the expense of human disregard! I remember back in 1974, I along with my wife and my two little girls were out trick or treating, I accidentally parked my car a few inches into this driveway, the gentleman who was waiting for us to return to move my car started to come down on me pretty hard, I apologized, but he had to throw in the race card, by telling us that we should go back where we came from, I then told him we are where we come from and he should go back to school to brush up on his history, because all of California belonged to Mexico at one time. Now this 2019 and we're still being told to go back to where we came from, is this progress??? Physically the land (scape) will change, but not the people, sad...
@Sohowyoubeen
@Sohowyoubeen 5 жыл бұрын
I’m sorry that has happened to you and your family but one thing to look forward to is that the Latino population is the fastest growing demographic in the US. While that may mean more problems in the future it also means progress for our races. This growing demographic will bring more college graduates = more professional in the work field. This also means that the majority (white people) and the ones that believe we should will have accept us into society because they’ll be the minority. This has become the meaning of some protest and the call for harder immigration laws but the fact is immigration has slowed down and the demographic growing is from folks like you that have created a family after years of being here. The results of heavy immigration in the 1970s and 80s is a result of the destruction of governments in the homelands where the U.S had enforced their will and created uneasiness causing immigration. The caravans are a result of the same thing and in a couple of decades we’ll see a boost in the Latino population.
@DrunkenSlob
@DrunkenSlob 5 жыл бұрын
Erik Lopez when you become the majority make sure you don’t become hypocrites and start discriminating against the new minority as some kind of revenge for the past. Keep moving foward and don’t punish innocent people for the sins of their ancestors
@clvrswine
@clvrswine 5 жыл бұрын
No one from this area cared. They were happy to attain the American Dream. Stop using 3 question marks, which is not English, and start being appreciative. My grandparents worked hard, moved as was necessary, and did very well. Never once mentioned race. Only losers mention race. DO go back. Do it. You are the trash that failed because you thought someone held you back. You are the very reason for your own failure.
@Sohowyoubeen
@Sohowyoubeen 5 жыл бұрын
@@clvrswine that's not true. The systems that are lined up for our families have failed the latino community. You can't possibly tell me that if our two very races that most prominent in california have had equal oppurtunity. The latino population before this century wasn't know to have college students. But the latino population has been rising in all states so it makes sense that white donald trump supporters are afraid.
@Justsayin-p5g
@Justsayin-p5g 5 жыл бұрын
The whole this was Mexico 's land first is BS. I wish Mexican/American people would simply be honest with them selves. Mexico has and still doesn't give a crap about it's own people. They treated their own people, like the whites treated the blacks in the US. You should be ashamed of the Mexican flag instead of flying it. If it's about pride, then fly a Azteca flag.
@bobareebop
@bobareebop 7 ай бұрын
Nice to see D.J. (Don" Waldie featured in this doc. I have his book about the history of Lakewood, CA, "Holy Land".
@marytrout6131
@marytrout6131 7 жыл бұрын
I never knew the story of how Dodger Stadium came to be . It is sad what is scarificed in the name of progress . Thank you KCET for the best programming, more people could learn from from you station .
@fliprod5958
@fliprod5958 3 жыл бұрын
They weren't displaced because of the Dodgers. The city had planned to build new housing and that deal fell through.
@dislikesquare8749
@dislikesquare8749 2 жыл бұрын
You are correct; the idea that a Mexican barrio community was destroyed by the Dodgers IS A COMPLETE LIE. Dodger Stadium DID NOT "displace" ANYONE but came along long after everyone was evicted to make way for a large planned community that never happened. The Dodgers simply picked up the pieces of an earlier mess which began as a massive project to improve what LA County considered to be a number of "blighted" communities that included Chavez Ravine. What happened to the residents of Chavez Ravine was a tragedy, but the Dodgers had nothing to do with it. If a driver hits and severely injures or kills a pedestrian then sells the "accident car" to someone else, we don't blame the new owner/driver of the car for the injuries caused by the car's previous owner. This is the case with the Dodgers; they bought the land in Chavez Ravine AFTER all of the failed political, legal & business wrangling that displaced a community.
@WildeG2020
@WildeG2020 Жыл бұрын
@@dislikesquare8749 Interesting how convenient that the city's plan of project housing (mind you not even houses) deal fell through to be sold to Dodger's owner.
@deedeekong7161
@deedeekong7161 Жыл бұрын
@@dislikesquare8749 you and @fliprod5958 are naive if you don't think that was all orchestrated
@dislikesquare8749
@dislikesquare8749 Жыл бұрын
@@deedeekong7161 DO YOUR HOMEWORK and consult the LA Times microfilm searching "Chavez Ravine" starting in the 1920s. The FACTS prove that the Dodgers had nothing to do with the demise of Chavez Ravine as a residential neighborhood. The area was long considered problematic and the City of Los Angeles attempted many interventions including the building of a TB hospital which was never used and later proposed for a jail, and an international marketplace, all of which failed, as did a massive planned residential community which the residents of Chavez Ravine were either bought out or evicted to build. However, this plan also failed and it was not until the dust of that debacle failed that the Dodgers negotiated to buy the land. GET IT STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL: THE IDEA THAT THE DODGERS DISPLACED CHAVEZ RAVINE RESIDENTS IS A LIE AND COMPLETELY FALSE NARRATIVE.
@locotx215
@locotx215 7 жыл бұрын
If you want to know why Fernandomaina happened. That's why. The poor short fat shy Mexican kid who grew up to be Fernando Valenzuela symbolically came back to "reclaim" and own Chavez Ravine for Mexicans again. His success on that very soil is extremely symbolic for all generations of local Mexicans.
@MrSpolaR
@MrSpolaR 5 жыл бұрын
Loco Tx you realize native Americans were there before Mexicans right...
@savagedick3848
@savagedick3848 5 жыл бұрын
and now Dodger Stadium is unsafe
@brentguy3117
@brentguy3117 5 жыл бұрын
Can you still get a hot dog there or is it all tacos now? And how do all these illegals afford to go to a game? Welfare? Drugs?
@johnnyt4538
@johnnyt4538 27 күн бұрын
Where’s episode one
@TIMOWHITEBUFFALO
@TIMOWHITEBUFFALO 3 жыл бұрын
But did they pay the home owners a fair pay for kicking them out...????!!!!!! I doubt it...!!!!
@ritasanchez651
@ritasanchez651 3 ай бұрын
I love PBS ❤
@Philip-ck5if
@Philip-ck5if 2 ай бұрын
LIBERAL NEWS NETWORK, FAKE NEWS. LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER.
@raymondalverez5999
@raymondalverez5999 Жыл бұрын
I was born and raised EAST of EAST Los Angeles (AZUSA/IRWINDALE) CALIFORNIA. So much for my NATIVE American/JAPANESE Roots. Chumas-Tong-va, With JAPANESE Heritage. Sweet memories 😢
@patrickstevens7786
@patrickstevens7786 4 жыл бұрын
I love Elysian Park!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Mickcotton
@Mickcotton 5 жыл бұрын
So Sad 😞
@kikeruiz539
@kikeruiz539 3 жыл бұрын
Hope we get a movie to show what happened
@richardvasquez8911
@richardvasquez8911 5 жыл бұрын
Surely this was a sad day 4 Chavez ravine neighborhood and the other neighborhoods dodger stadium should have been put at Murano Beach
@xaviermiddlefinger2506
@xaviermiddlefinger2506 6 жыл бұрын
The picture at 10:20 that's elephant hill in the city of pomona/diamond bar ca look up elephant hill in pomona ca
@mtnbkr51
@mtnbkr51 8 жыл бұрын
Time will continue to erase the past. Today Dodger Stadium exists. The future will continue to unfold. What we know of the past, is that change is constant. Some day the stadium itself will no longer be. 😭
@sebastianaraque354
@sebastianaraque354 7 жыл бұрын
Pat Robinson that is so true
@ChristopherGamer208
@ChristopherGamer208 6 жыл бұрын
I don't even wanna think about that. That's like killing history damn I hate it when something historical goes away
@danielrios8570
@danielrios8570 6 жыл бұрын
Si
@steliokontos1180
@steliokontos1180 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Things change and the world moves on...at least most of us do.
@Casatoman
@Casatoman 3 жыл бұрын
I bleed dodger blue but after watching this it's hard to look at the team the same.
@oeao2841
@oeao2841 Жыл бұрын
The Kings are the only original LA team 👑 🏒
@gordybishop2375
@gordybishop2375 5 жыл бұрын
Can you guys please place the tittle of the show, lol n this case Lost LA in the titles of the videoed you post?
@theuniversegalaxynba
@theuniversegalaxynba 2 ай бұрын
At the cartoon at the end they didn't show the people being forced out by the police then.
@elmascavidal1797
@elmascavidal1797 5 жыл бұрын
They displaced all those Mexicans... they did them dirty 🤦🏻‍♂️💭💭💭
@ot505
@ot505 5 жыл бұрын
Bishop, La Loma, and Palo Verde were the names of the neighborhoods not Chavez Ravine!!!
@arthurherrera9880
@arthurherrera9880 5 жыл бұрын
solano elementry school
@nickfraijo7874
@nickfraijo7874 5 жыл бұрын
The area was called Chavez Ravine, not the neighborhoods.
@goalsoffurry5733
@goalsoffurry5733 5 жыл бұрын
The Area wasn't called this or that. The Area belonged to the Tongva tribe. Then it became Bishop, Palo Verde and La Loma by the mission people and then Chavez Revine. The End.
@rickpaton7538
@rickpaton7538 5 жыл бұрын
Shades of Robert Moses. In his era as well. I wonder if the city consulted with him.
@fingersfan1843
@fingersfan1843 3 жыл бұрын
My family and I lived in the LA area from 1958 to 1973. We attended dozens of Dodger games. I never knew the story of the forced evictions of the inhabitants of the area that became Dodger Stadium !
@chonazteca
@chonazteca 2 ай бұрын
Money first
@rsenior7140
@rsenior7140 2 ай бұрын
Ironic that the dodgers have so many Mexican fans; if they only knew!
@FutureMixTV
@FutureMixTV 9 жыл бұрын
Excellent! Thank you!
@gregdahlen4375
@gregdahlen4375 2 ай бұрын
well sometimes individuals do have to sacrifice for the greater good. my family lost a house my parents loved in '66 for the Glendale Freeway. but they just went on, the city needed the freeway. however, i'd imagine people were forced out in a rough way at Chavez Ravine and possibly not compensated fairly, if so those parts are wrong
@danram247
@danram247 3 ай бұрын
9:52 Wow imagine if you can see the ocean from there today? All that smog what a shame...
@gme213la2
@gme213la2 5 жыл бұрын
damn inmagine now a days it would be a huge part of LA like east LA or south gate didn't know the complete story sad what maney does.
@stevestiffler9120
@stevestiffler9120 3 жыл бұрын
I heard they bulldozed a massive ancient pyramid with underground Caverns which is now Elysian park and dodger stadium.
@Hiphopismybestfriend803
@Hiphopismybestfriend803 5 жыл бұрын
I always wondered why they called it chavez ravine now i know it sucks all those families had to leave
@flipflopsguy8868
@flipflopsguy8868 4 жыл бұрын
THEY DIDN'T GO FAR IF YOU TAKE THE TIME TO OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE FOR YOURSELF !
@aaronwilliams6989
@aaronwilliams6989 3 жыл бұрын
@@flipflopsguy8868 They still got forced out, though.
@williammize8270
@williammize8270 3 жыл бұрын
Younger generation don't care about past that's screwed up parent need to teach their children about their legacy their past is the future
@jefftheparodyguy5166
@jefftheparodyguy5166 3 ай бұрын
Always looks so weird when they show the aerial view of the stadium and you see this entire valley of concrete parking lot. It’s a beautiful stadium but it would NEVER get approved in this location nowadays
@enriquet2562
@enriquet2562 3 жыл бұрын
Chicano/ Mexican American history 🇺🇸🇲🇽
@24kobe242424
@24kobe242424 2 ай бұрын
My City, Our History, LA will always be a part of me. I love LA, love the Dodgers.
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