Keep Silent? | Kris Vallotton | Bethel Church

[@edithmunuve7733]

Sir bless your soul, 😥, am still researching into this verse. I will serve the Lord in ministry as His Holy Spirit leads. Thank you for the Light.

[@Live4Him7771]

Often times when this verse is preached on, we are always taught to read it in it's context. However, as Kris does here, preachers often glance over the last few verses. Paul gives us the context of his preaching. He brings it back to the beginning of creation for the same reasoning Jesus brought it back to creation when asked if God permits divorce. They are revealing God's original purpose in his design of man and woman. Both equal and both with equal gifts, but different gifts.

[@dagman85]

The character in question is an eta, and it is at the beginning of verse 36 in 1 Corinthians 14. It is listed as Strong's #2228, and I believe the relevant listing in Strong's is this: "before a sentence contrary to the one just preceding, to indicate that if one be denied or refuted the other must stand" Blessings to you all, in Jesus' name!

[@ladyketurahinwaiting]

Thank you Kris for your in depth, tenacious study of all the languages and cultures involved. Outrageous blessings on you and your family my brother.

[@maximaphily601]

Keturah, shows you are one of those silly women in 2 Tim 3:6 " lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth". This Kris is a false teacher extraordinaire. He manipulated scripture and falsely translated it (obvious he knows nothing of Greek) to support a man made false doctrine that is not Biblical. And the silly women are flocking in their sins and lusts!

[@breath-of-fresh-air]

Max Imaphily, Wow. I just wrote a comment out to this person not realizing this was you Max Imaphily. My goodness. James 3:17,18 But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.18.Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness. Yikes!

[@maximaphily601]

If anyone listens to false teachers in Bethel, they are just those who like their ears tickled. There is so much evidence, proof, and testimony of Bethel and their false doctrine, one does not have to research too hard to find it. Or for a good synopsis, just purchase the great book that came out in 2018 "Defining Deception" which is mostly focused on the practices of Bill Johnson and Bethel. We are not called to be peace makers and submissive to false doctrine, but are commanded by the word of God to call them out and depart from them. Also, Jesus did not come to bring peace to the world, if you know your scriptures. Rather, to divide it. Matthew 10:34-37 " 34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." Christ does not promote hostility and wants us to have peace, but the Gospel divides, and the true Bible believing remnant who have fundamental belief in the validity of the scriptures alone (and not on mystical and personal experiences of elitist wolves in sheep's clothing like Bill Johnson), will face persecution in these ends days, not peace. I guess you don't believe in the literal return of Jesus to set up His 1,000 year kingdom on earth as well? So just throw out the Bible if you follow Bill Johnson and Bethel's man-made Kingdom Now dogma. Do you believe in God's scriptural role of Israel in the future of prophecy? If not, you are listening to a false man-made doctrine, the ears keep getting tickled. I just ask these questions, I don't know what you believe or follow. Bethel have well documented and practiced their false theology for a long time, so anyone who supports them, remember what is said : Matthew chapter 7 "21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’"

[@breath-of-fresh-air]

Max Imaphily, As you have chosen to insult this woman you do not even know, with a verse from 2 Timothy 3:6 because she has given Kris a compliment of gratefulness, I 'd just like to state that God is the true Judge, as he is the only one that truly knows the intention of our hearts. I suggest you take a peek at the beginning of this chapter 3 in 2TImothy . 2Timothy 3:1,2,3 says: But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2.People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient, to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3.without love, unforgiving, slanderous without self control, brutal, not lovers of the good,. I can truly pick out about 7 to 8 things in this above list that truly applies to the way you have behaved here. Please realize that Satan himself used scripture to try to confuse Jesus himself and he twisted it to his liking. Mark 4:5 and 6Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6. "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: " 'He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.' " He had left out the part, " to guard you in all your ways;" And truly if Jesus knew this psalm by heart he would of thought of the next verse psalm 91:13 You will tread upon the lion and the cobra; you will trample the great lion and the serpent. This psalm is truly very beautiful and says so much about Father God; Papa Yahweh and how he will protect those who honor and love him but Satan chose to use it to tempt the LORD Jesus Christ. Go figure, he; Satan, is not even above using scripture himself.

[@maximaphily601]

Exactly June, we are in the very end of the last days, and these false teachers (lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful in their special relationships with God, proud, and worse - having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof), need to be exposed, and anyhow worshiping their false doctrine needs to be warned. The same book you quote from is one of the books Paul wrote to Timothy about to warn of these false teachers, and those who will follow them - the scripture clearly talks of these silly women lead captive. Paul learned that certain men within the church were teaching false doctrines. Their probable position as leaders or elders in the church called for immediate action. Timothy was to command these individuals not only to stop teaching false doctrine but also to put an end to their speculative system of interpretation (= Bethel Church). False doctrines literally means "different doctrines" (compare 6:3), those that diverged from the accepted teaching of the Old Testament, Christ and the apostles (=Bethel church). The scriptures are clear we are to judge these false teachers and those who follow them. I don't have time or the space to teach the sermons you need to hear and don't live in USA. If you want to focus on only love, you have lost the battle already. Satan knows scripture better than any human does, we all now that. And uses false teachers on tap like those at Bethel: 2 COR 11: 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. I think you'd rather be nice to everyone and see them in hell, rather than tell the truth and save them. You are wrong on that point, sorry! I work out my salvation with fear and trembling every day.

[@lancedebets9534]

Thank you! Mind renewing. Life changing

[@nursecward]

Kris... THANK YOU! Yes, this makes much more sense than what I've been taught.

[@andreakaniecki7250]

Thank you Kris!

[@coreyfriend1]

Jesus Himself will be subjected to the Father (1Cor15:28). This in no way diminishes Jesus’ value and worth. Godly subjection doesn’t diminish value...it affirms it.

[@jessehake]

"Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness." - James 3:1

[@johnnilan9139]

True.

[@briellejacobs1045]

Do you know how many other times that word brothers is used? So that means only men should not be unaware of the spiritual gifts, only men should not be children in their thinking, only men can desire earnestly to prophesy, and the grace of Jesus be only with the spirit of men. Think about what you are saying.

[@mysticalglowtv1796]

It doesn't say that. It says you will receive the greater condemnation. As in from people. And how true that is. Every single person in the pulpit is ridiculed by some branch of Christianity.

[@thejohnarnett]

God bless you Kris. You're doing the will of God faithfully. Don't stop going for Jesus! :D

[@recognize-important-stuff]

John Arnett In this point he preached here: He stopped already to go with Jesus.

[@insaners2420]

@@recognize-important-stuff shutup

[@piarossi4555]

Very important perspective! He has done his homework.

[@insaners2420]

@@lizzyumoh get out devil

[@kac0404]

1 Timothy 2:12, in which Paul wrote, “ I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.” In this passage Paul placed a limitation on the involvement of women in positions of authority in the church. Again, notice the context surrounding the passage. This limitation is set in contrast to the functions of men, which included praying in the preceding section (1 Timothy 2:8) and serving in leadership positions in the succeeding section (1 Timothy 3:1-13). Thus, the speaking at issue in this passage is that which is representative, such as in congregational prayer, which is implicitly forbidden by the juxtaposition with instructions for men to pray, and that which is authoritative, which is explicitly forbidden in 1 Timothy 2:12 and evident from the juxtaposition with the male-oriented roles of elders and deacons in the following chapter. Thus, Paul’s instruction for women not to “teach or exercise authority over a man” in 1 Timothy 2 is specifically placing limitations on the involvement of women in positions of congregational representation or authority.

[@marvissmith7811]

To whom do single women and wives of unbelievers ask their questions? Should these two groups not attend church and remain unlearned?

[@letstalkbiblewithshun.s]

After the service ask the pastor but dont shout out questions during the service.

[@breath-of-fresh-air]

@J howe, I am so incredibly grateful you sent me that link. Thank you! I have run across this part in the bible where Jesus talks about the Law: John 10:34,35,36,37 and 38. Jesus answered them, " Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods' (d) 35. If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came---and the Scripture cannot be broken---36. what about the very one whom the Father has set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said I am God's Son'?37.Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does.38.But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."

[@CounselorMom012]

Thank you, Kris. Sigh of relief.

[@michaelransdell9470]

He is lying. He purposely mistranslated Greek to fit his view

[@insaners2420]

@@michaelransdell9470 hey shut up and go

[@breath-of-fresh-air]

@J howe, Psalm 82:6 is the (d) that John 10:34 addresses: Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all son of the Most High.' Thank you, thank you, thank you. This was perfect timing. Praise God. Hallelu Yah.

[@ayeayroncali6977]

You are not a God buddy. There is only one. Humble yourself like John said you need to be less so he is more

[@thejohnarnett]

Hahaha AMEN. us men need to hear what God is saying through women. Thank you Jesus ^^ :D

[@izzyk9-]

3/3 I can't doubt anymore

[@nathanhyland9673]

Don't add or take away from scripture read revelation you're doing both

[@jenniwright4888]

Obviously the angel at Jesus tomb was wrong to tell the women to go and tell...according to some of the comments here...the women were the first to speak the gospel.

[@sarahgamon8627]

yasssss :)

[@jacknarloch9879]

Jenni Wright Hahahaha!!! I’ve never heard that one before. Praise God 😄

[@maximaphily601]

Jenni, the women at the tomb passed on a message of the resurrection of our Lord, they never preached in a church setting to men which is not Biblical. Hope you can see the difference. You can't pick and choose scripture, either it is all correct or throw the entire lot out.

[@jhowe5571]

Yes, Max. Further more, it's difficult to say that what the women reported as having seen to be a complete "gospel" preaching. It was for sure just a report of what they had seen. The resurrection of Jesus is definitely part of the gospel but, there's a little more to it than that, Jenni...

[@johnnilan9139]

Obviously you do not read any bible fo if you did you would have read: Matthew 10:1-15 and Luke 10:1-16. Also, Jesus was the first along with John. So you see you are not taught to read the Bible at bethel. Read and think. Eat the flesh and spit out the bones.

[@papercitydolls]

AWESOME!

[@ChloexIrene]

So good!!

[@michaelransdell9470]

Sounds good but it is absolutely false. He mistranslated Greek to fit his view

[@insaners2420]

@@michaelransdell9470 shut up

[@willelliott8546]

Incorrect theology. I believe it means wives should keep their peace in church to keep things orderly. In principle this could mean that people in the congregation should keep their peace too and any controversy should be sorted out in private later. Women are allowed to speak and teach and can be prophets. There's plenty of examples in scripture. We are all equal under God.

[@telleroftheone]

I know Kris personally, and I think he is mostly right here, but most of the church at the time of 1 Corinthians were Jewish Christians and members of the diaspora, or at least a large plurality. So the "asking their husbands in church" scenario is actually still entirely plausible.

[@genehampden-comrie7599]

This seems highly questionable. I would ask those of you who are satisfied with his answer to not simply accept it because it pleases you and rather search out more information because it strikes me as odd that out of all theologians and scholars who have translated and studied the language he seems to be the only person I find with this understanding of this passage.

[@RenewalCreations]

I am not really into the feminist gospel as a female, nor do I believe the church should be dominated by men. We are equal as people, but we submit and honor one another. I guess it is more a gut thing for me, in terms of when it feels appropriate to speak and when not to...in any situation. And as a men and women we have different roles. As a child, I obeyed my parents, but as an adult, I honor my parents. And in return they honor me, for example in personal convictions, or else it would be controlling.

[@DaihoanXbox]

Also how the heck do you say Paul isn't the author of that one passage about the Law and then assert he wrote about your theology in the rest of the 14 chapters?

[@piafsings]

Can anyone put a link to other teachings like this from Kris Vallotton?

[@maximaphily601]

I hope not, enough going to hell already!

[@denverd7406]

Wrong the “what” in the Greek goes at the beginning of a sentence not the end. Bethel again teaching social gospel and false doctrine.

[@venturesintoglory5353]

Paul is simply instructing the married Corinthian women to ask their husbands questions at home rather than creating disorder by speaking out loud in church. Nothing superspiritual. Just practical instruction. Prophets speak in turn. Tongues and interpretation is done in turn. And the married women are meant to wait till they get home to ask their husbands a question rather than speak out loud to them in church. Can't get more basic than that!

[@jackpullen3820]

Well at least two biggies in scripture are where no man will stand up to the task so what does God do, He sends a woman! Yeah God! Whom the Son sets free is free indeed...Oh and thanks Pastor Kris.

[@IphigeniaBurg]

The Greek word η= "the" for female ή= with the pronunciation means "or"

[@reginaldlamityi7687]

The other "said" dot is an accent. So the former comment is correct.

[@grndhg86d]

Does this mean that this pastor's teaching is correct or incorrect?

[@sfgirl76m32]

@@grndhg86d he is grossly incorrect! He doesn’t know Greek and is twisting scripture to fit his narrative. I would avoid any “pastor” or teaching from bethel.

[@newhorizons-novoshorizonte3102]

This text was not making sense to me. Not because I was for it or against it. It just didn't seem coherent with the rest of I Corinthians. No it does! Glory to the Lord!

[@devonhill7394]

Are woman called to be a Pastor and explain why please. I need verse and chapter from the Bible.

[@greggpykus1811]

Shalom praise YA right on God has me doing a study on this very subject. fyi actually there are 2 Torahas. Moses and the oral tradition. Also there is no punctuation marks in the ancient languages. 1st Cor. 14::34-35 here Paul is quoting what the Corinthians wrote to him. The oral tradition has much to say about women keeping silent. Keep on right on the money. Gregg

[@Duckilling1]

You sure GOD has you doing that study? and FYI that second torah you talk is the Jewish Talmud do you even know what the Talmud says about jesus and Mary and many other things? Blasphemy at its finest

[@Sam45418]

i really cannot find where you got that "n" from??

[@jesusisgod3960]

Sam45418 Corinthians 14:36 Prtcl GRK: θεοῦ ἐξῆλθεν ἢ εἰς ὑμᾶς KJV: from you? or came it unto INT: of God went out or to you

[@nickdelancy2731]

Lol false teaching 101 Paul says it like that because there will be people that don't believe him. He's saying what he's written is directly a commandment from the Lord! Read the whole thing it'll make sense.

[@kac0404]

Christ has specified the role of leadership for the men in the church-elders (1 Tim. 3:1-7), deacons (1 Tim. 3:8-13), preachers and worship leaders (1 Tim. 2:1-12; 4:13-16). Christ has therefore specified a role of submission for the women in the church. While this concept is highly unpopular in today’s culture, it is, nevertheless, His plan. Let us consider what the New Testament teaches in this regard. Women are called to “learn in silence with all submission” (1 Tim. 2:11). This emphasizes a spirit of attentiveness and receptiveness, which a woman of God has toward the male leaders in the church. The woman is not inferior to the man or of less worth or the target of discrimination, any more than Christ is inferior to God (cf. 1 Cor. 11:3). It is a matter of roles that have been assigned.

[@janajaki2940]

„I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a deacon in the church in Cenchrea.“ ‭‭Romans‬ ‭16‬:‭1‬ Phoebe was a woman and a deacon :-)

[@kac0404]

@janajaki2940 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea: Romans 16:1 KJV The Bible specifically says that she was a servant. No where does it say that she's a deacon. A person can serve God in several ways, without being a bishop or a deacon.

[@JesusisKingfrrrrr]

@@kac0404My friend most of the translations refer her as a deacon or deaconess. Plus a deacon is a servant of the Lord and of the church. The only versions that refer to her as servant are KJV and other heavily simplified translations.

[@kac0404]

@JesusisKingfrrrrr In discussion the qualifications for a bishop, Paul mentions the “office of a bishop” and states that, “A bishop then must be blameless …” (I Timothy 3:1-2). Just as a “bishop must be …”, a deacon “likewise must be …”. The word “likewise” connects the two as offices that require specific qualifications for appointment. Therefore, just as the word “bishop” denotes a specific office, so does the word “deacon” sometimes denote a specific office, with qualifications listed below: - reverent, sober - not double-tongued - not given (addicted) to much wine - not greedy for money - holding the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience - first be proven (tested) - blameless - husbands of one wife - ruling their children and their own houses well The scripture also references that deacons’ wives must be: reverent, not slanderers, temperate, and faithful in all things (I Timothy 3:11).

[@DaihoanXbox]

Blindy agreeing with a guy about Greek when he even doesn't know the name for 1 Greek letter is appalling.

[@jesusisgod3960]

Corinthians 14:36 Prtcl GRK: θεοῦ ἐξῆλθεν ἢ εἰς ὑμᾶς KJV: from you? or came it unto INT: of God went out or to you

[@nomsajonah]

Amen and TRUE!

[@Revjonbeadle]

There is nothing more depressing to me than hearing women tell me why they think the Bible rightfully represses them in teaching, leading and pastoring.

[@Revjonbeadle]

Truly, the Greek is clear. Your fear of deception is your deception.

[@Revjonbeadle]

***** I have studied extensively this passage. Women are equal in gifting and anointing. The "head" is Jesus and Paul is quoting from the sayings of those who were seeking to oppress.

[@Revjonbeadle]

"Unnecessary complexity!" is the cry of the fundamentalism over correcting for progressive liberalism's acquiescence to higher criticism to justify whatever they want to justify. I am not doing that.

[@Revjonbeadle]

If you watch the video it is clear in the Greek that Paul is making fun of those who think like you.

[@Revjonbeadle]

Is the fact that women should remain silent in the churches a command in the law? No, you can't find it, which means that Paul is referencing the other sides argument and liberates women by saying that kind of thinking is nonsense.

[@sheilalynn274]

Thank you very much for teaching this. There are certain Scriptures that can be backed up by others that are teaching that women call also keep the high offices in the Body of Christ and are equal to man. Huge difference between the Holy Spirits instruction and teachings of man. God bless you.

[@maximaphily601]

Another candidate for 2 Tim 3:6-7

[@michaelransdell9470]

No there is not a single beds to support a woman being in leadership above a man

[@maximaphily601]

Scripture is clear 100% that women cannot teach men in a church setting. Women have important roles to play in the body of Christ in other ways, and can of course teach other women or children if they are led to teach. If you don't understand this, then read the Bible and the whole counsel of God in context. If you can't get that right, you are little hope of getting more important issues right. Women teaching in churches is a significant sign of being in the last of the end of days. Read 2 Timothy 3 in particular " 6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." This sums it up well. Sill women believing anything they hear, learning continuously in error, so miss the truth.

[@boopsnootandboogie]

@@maximaphily601 you REALLY seem to care about this issue. I wonder why? 🤔

[@allysiadonovan8232]

Head should have been translated to Source, correct?

[@dburnmusic]

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God. Kris has his own agenda & interpretation of the bible which he takes completely out of context & tries to distort the true message. He is bringing false doctrine, and for those of you who don't know, this is a man who believes God is both male & female. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

[@immanueljijib3878]

In cor 11:3 the word man and women are used for husband and wife , you see if you read other translations of bible like esv or the youngs literal translation as the words man-husband and women-wife are written simalarly in koine greek. The context is this as christ is head of church so is man to his wife. Beacause when talking about the relationship between christ and his church its always in context of marrige. Many examples throughout the bible, We are called he bride of christ. The virgins with oil. In 2 cor paul himself clarifies this by saying "husbands love you're wife as christ loved the church and wives be subject to husbands in love". (Note: Not verbatum, from memory) So yeah in a context of marrige.

[@danielkempton9659]

Yeah i must admit, when he said God is male and female, i thought what? Maybe caught up in the moment etc But bethel has a lot of fruit unlike some for eg; Baptists Who will beat people to suicide over a verse in the Bible. Thats NoT love.

[@IzzDragon]

2 Timothy 4:1-4 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[@IzzDragon]

This man is preaching to "itching ears", turning the very word of God into a fable, repent for you will be judged more harshly. 14But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

[@venturesintoglory5353]

"Let your (married) women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak (out loud); but they are to be submissive (to the others in the service), as the law also says, And if they want to learn something, let them ask THEIR OWN HUSBANDS AT HOME (not during the service); for it is shameful for (the married) women to speak (out loud) in church." That is all that Paul is saying!

[@Ann-ig1ss]

Stop (adding) your interpretations to the word of GOD. Revelations 22:18-21 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. 20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. 21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen. 

[@Ann-ig1ss]

God said women are not to preach in church. That is a command of the LORD. Just because you don’t agree with it doesn’t mean it’s not truth. Women are and always have been deceived. (Go read Genesis) they were created to be mama “helpers”. Because we were the ones deceived in the garden, God made it so that we would always seek and have a desire of control over men. The sooner you all figure that out, the sooner you will stop misunderstanding the Holy Word of God.

[@danielkempton9659]

Yeah but if the greeks worshiped women as gods, wouldn't paul say be quiet women ? I understand the eta. Funnily a man who was but is currently repenting his way back to trust, he was teaching this or very similar theme.. Jonathan welton.

[@TRUE-WORSHIPPER952]

excellent.

[@TheologyGuys]

I am sure we could all agree that Jesus loved men as much as He loved women, and it is important to note that what Kris has said over the years in the thousands of sermons he has preached has been to the glory of God. I have listened to him from when I first became a Christian at the age of 19 up to present-day being 27. However, as I have grown over these many years in my walk with God, I have come to trust and understand His word with greater clarity. Kris' sermons have certainly played a significant role in teaching what the scriptures say, but I am surprised to see the following conclusions he came to in this video. Many Christians alike struggle with Pauline verses referring to male authority, but nonetheless, that doesn't make what Paul is saying untrue, especially since he affirmed that his message was not according to man, but through the revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12). Kris' take on the Corinthian passage does not make sense in light of 1 Timothy 2:12-14. I agree that this is yet another troublesome passage for some of us to read, but it is not in the Bible by accident, and if we choose to contextualise the verse accepting all of what Kris has said, in relation to past culture that was different from our own, we could do so, if it were not for verse 14. "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression." Now, I do not state this verse to rile anyone up, but again it is a single verse that changes the entire precedence for this passage. If male authority was contextual to the culture at the time, then why would Paul refer all the way back to The Garden, namely Adam and Eve?

[@mamc2802]

ben straley kris teaches god is both man and woman. And this is 100% lucifarian beliefs... see here: Neither feminine nor masculine, but both at the same time with Lucifer being the masculine aspect and Lilith the feminine. Lucifer is synonymous with Venus, the “Morning Star”. He/she is the torch-bearer, the bringer of fire and therefore the bringer of knowledge;

[@maximaphily601]

A little leaven leavens the whole lump

[@boopsnootandboogie]

Gnosticism was being taught, which teaches that the woman was formed first and that Adam was deceived first. Paul was simply correcting these false teachings. I recommend the book Hidden Voices - it blew my mind how misunderstood these verses are.

[@SecretPlacePsalm91]

Great!!

[@maximaphily601]

Another candidate for 2 Tim 3:6-7

[@GI4JYT]

Sorry Chris, there were Jews in the Corinthian Church.

[@nadinemorcos7028]

The church at Corinth included some Jews (1Cor 7:18-19), but it was largely made up of Gentile converts (1Cor 6:9-11, 1Cor 8:7, 1Cor 12:2).

[@youlearnalot8290]

Your trying to take tradition in a church to say that 1 Timothy 2:12 is invalid. It has nothing to do with the women and men being separated but everything to do with biblical order and how God designed the church amd the family to be. Led by men and supported by a God fearing women. Your manipulating scripture to make it appeal to your audience so they will give you more money. Sad.

[@joshpeterson2451]

Ladies and gentlemen: how not to interpret the Bible. “Paul must’ve been wrong, or this must not be part of the Bible, because it contradicts my preconceived notions!”

[@AnnaJunus-hm8cr]

First off, Paul is not God. Jesus is. And Jesus respected and honored women. The person who was entrusted to raise and teach the Son of God was a woman. Mary's role in Jesus' life didn't end at His birth. It began. And who did Jesus entrust with the most important announcement in the entire history of the world? It wasn't doubting Thomas, or Peter who had denied him three times, or James and John who requested special recognition above all others. It was Mary Magdalene, who was given the instructions to announce the resurrection of the Savior to the highest male authorities in the church. And they didn't believe her. Because culturally they did not respect women. Jesus could have appeared to the men first - but He didn't. He chose a woman. Secondly, the scripture of women keeping silent in the churches has led to incredible destruction and heartache for women and children. Men have used this scripture to oppress women - not just in the church but outside of the church as well. If women were supposed to be a help to men, then why didn't men allow them to help? God gave at least the equal amount of intelligence, creativity, talents, and spirituality to women as He gave to men, and did men use this to create a better world? Nope. Instead they treated women as slaves and objects. They raped them, sent their children to war, created more war, and more war, and more war which women had to fight in both on the field and at the home front. They prevented women from obtaining educations and skills to provide for their families. They forced them into prostitution. They sold women. They married children. They committed all manner of sins against women and girls while using the bible as justification for it. That is the fruit of this "scripture". Third - if women are supposed to be submissive to men, then men are to be submissive to God. When men are not submissive to God, then women need not listen to men since men are not following God. Have men been submissive to God? Nope. Not at all. See above. God does not expect women to follow men to hell. Therefore it is required that women speak up and lead the way to God since men are not doing it. Men have had thousands of years to get this right and they still refuse to. Fourth - John MacArthur's telling Beth Moore to "go home" was completely out of line. He has no jurisdiction over her. He is not her husband, or her pastor, or anyone with authority over her. And "go home" is equal to "shut up." When John gave a sermon answering his position on this, it was filled with venom towards women. Ignoring all the atrocities of men, he reduced women to gossipers, and declared that the worst thing that could happen to a woman is that she goes bald. She can be gang raped, have her home burned down and her children murdered, but as long as she has her hair, then the worst thing hasn't happened. Clearly a man who thinks that women's only concern is her appearance has no business telling women to go home and shut up. He should not be advising women in any way since he doesn't even care to understand them. Fifth - no one is forced to listen to a woman pastor. If you don't like women pastors, then you can go listen to male pastors who hate and disrespect women. You are free to do that. Sixth - this is a control issue. People who are upset about women pastors want to control what other people believe. That has never gone well. Wars have been fought over one group forcing another group to agree with them. Believe what you want to believe, and allow others to do the same. Leave it up to God.

[@pd837]

Anna... Great comment. I totally agree.

[@DavidIstre]

1 Timothy 6:2-4 (NASB95) - 2 Teach and preach these principles. 3 If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, 4 he is conceited and understands nothing... 1 Corinthians 14:37-38 (NASB95) - 37 If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment. 38 But if anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.

[@rickdavis1983]

This is simply a false teaching. We want to be contemporary instead of obedient. Most people don't like it or want to obey what's written. Many will find any interpretation to avoid the truth.

[@aroundtheworld4173]

There's the question of unmarried women, there is a hint given by Paul: Titus 2 (KJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ³ The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; ⁴ That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, ⁵ To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed. That is the area for aged women, teaching young (unmarried) girls. Now, in godly order NO WOMAN leaves her father and mother UNLESS given into marriage. This tells it all, that if such an unmarried woman has any question, she is still under the custody of her parents. That's where she is to ask. The problem we have nowadays is that we take our ungodly modern culture and try to reason it in scriptures. God said it is only a man who leaves his parents, picks a wife for himself not a woman leaving her parents for a job etc. Another way of viewing this is through Jesus' teachings. We are to copy Jesus in everyway a life. Jesus never appointed a woman to be an apostle. This is very significant rather than basing on play of words. The apostles nowhere did they appoint a woman to lead a congregation. Back to Paul: 1 Timothy 2 (KJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¹¹ Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. ¹² But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. >> if we apply the logic given by the preacher, then in the next verses we have this: ¹³ For Adam (THE HUSBAND) was first formed, then Eve (THE WIFE). ¹⁴ And Adam (THE HUSBAND) was not deceived, but the woman(THE WIFE) being deceived was in the transgression. >> You see how illogical it becomes? That a wife was deceived and not a husband!!? No way!! This is surely a general statement to all women, not wives. ¹⁵ Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. The last verse is now pointing to women's God given role, taking care of her home. She is to make sure that children grow up knowing God, because the husband is busy with ministry work. Compare this with Proverbs: “The proverbs of Solomon. A wise son maketh a glad father: but a foolish son is the heaviness of his mother.” - Proverbs 10:1 (KJV) Amen

[@royfredericks2231]

Well said

[@joakimrantanen3401]

I do believe that reading the Bible in context certainly gives women the right to minister and serve God with the gifts he has provided. A surface reading of "women ought to be silent" is fundamentally incompatible with the teaching in the very same letter (women should cover their heads while praying and prophesying), not to speak of the many women who shared in God's labor with Paul. However, this kind of untrue teaching is wrong, whether the reason is ignorance or deceitfulness. It seems that Kris Vallotton doesn't really know greek, and should therefore keep to the most reliable translations and commentaries, instead of "translating" something what he wished the text said! I mean, he did compare a large number of readily available english translations with how many translate man/woman instead of husband/wife, and that was 16/43 translations. How many of those would translate ἢ as "what" or "nonsense"? The answer is 0/43. Didn't he wonder why? And if he found the conjuction of logical disjuction (ἢ ) in the greek verse, did he not find that it occured twice in the same passage? _Or_ (ἢ )has the word of God gone out from you, _or_ (ἢ )has it come to you only? The second time ἢ appeared in the verse, Kris Vallotton seemed to happily translate it as "or", like all other translators, but why then would the first ἢ in the same verse be translated as "what", "nonsense"? It is regrettable that some people have so little faith in the Bible that they are willing to use lies and misinformation to tackle bad theology. Equally regrettable are the christians who are willing to follow this kind of sillyness, even when it is evidently false, because it makes them feel good. Please, have faith in the God who is revealed in the Bible!

[@RickRandRMarketingllc]

In the video above Kris twists Scriptures out of context and questions the very inspiration of the the Scriptures. If you want to view the Scriptures as being fallible and you reduce it to just men's opinion then we aren't of the same faith and I won't waste my time with people who treat the Bible as a book written by mere men. I'd have to first argue this subject before I could even begin to debate what the Scriptures teach, I will assume you accept the Scriptures in there original text were inspired by the holy spirit, correct? Kris claims that he doesn't believe that Paul would have written that phrase; "it is the law" because he says that there is no law that says that, and Paul, a student of the law would know better than to say that. Really? I've written an article where I go through all the Scriptures that show how a wife must submit to her husband and show she isn't to teach in the congregation. There is no Scriptural gymnastics that anyone can do to cloud this subject because it is extremely clear. It even says, just as Sarah submitted herself to Abraham. So how can Kris chose to argue that it should not be rendered wife but woman, only then to argue the whole passage should be dismissed as not making sense when you take the whole book into context (which I suggest you always take Scripture in context). Again, I answered this in the article. In Jesus Christ there is no difference between a Jew and a gentile between a male and a female, all are one (equal) before Jesus Christ. Just as Jesus taught that in heaven there won't be marriages etc... which is why Joel 2 and Acts 2 emphasized the change that took place after Christ, the Spirit was poured out on all flesh and this included sons and daughters. Yes, Miriam did prophecy via the Spirit but that was the exception not the norm. However, after Christ the gifts of the Holy Spirit were poured out on all flesh. In the old testament it was only males and then only special men and priests, prophets and kings and a rare exception that a woman received the anointing of the Spirit. Getting back to Kris who said Paul didn't write that because he knew the law didn't teach that. Teach what? What Paul is saying is that the Bible does teach that women are to be submitted to their husbands and then he qualified it in another place with; "like Sarah submitted to Abraham". And as Gen 3:16 says; "..your desire shall be for your husband, and he will rule over you..." No one interprets that as man shall rule over women, it's a husband shall rule over his wife. And that is what the OT taught. So Kris is absolutely wrong here and it is the beginning of a very dangerous precedent, he just made Scripture subject to mens interpretation and that it really isn't the Word of God that we can all count on. Why is he rejecting the Word of God? Because women today demand that they be treated equal and that they can be pastors too. But this remains contrary to what is taught in both the OT and the NT. And the NT never, let me repeat this, the NT never contradicts the OT! Jer 31 and Joel 2 prophecy what was coming. Notice the sermon on the mount in Matt 5, all the "laws" weren't negated. As Jesus said; "...I didn't come to abolish the law...." and "not one jot nor title shall be done away with until heaven and earth is done away with..." So Jesus didn't do away with the OT but instead He fulfilled it. Let me explain, circumcision was a sign of putting off the flesh. So Paul taught that if you were circumcised in the heart that it mattered not if you were circumcised in the flesh. Notice, Paul wasn't abolishing circumcision but revealing the real meaning of it. In other words, types and shadows all point to the real article. As I explain in the article I wrote, the role of the man is to be the head over the wife, the role of the wife is to bear children. Only today in our perverse society do men want to be equal in our roles and today transmen are wanting to compete with women. The roles given to men and women are radically different. Women can not be a father to their children, not because they aren't spiritually equal before God but because the role of fathering was given to males and not to women. It has nothing to do with equality at all. Husbands don't want to bear children and wives should not want to father their children. In the same way, spiritual father are not females, they are males by divine providence and to change this is to change the Scriptures, just as mothering is only possible by a mother/wife. A father or male can try to mother, perhaps with a little success but that role is given to the mother. No one can argue with this because it is 100% based on the Scriptures and isn't subject to men's opinions nor cultural trends.

[@IphigeniaBurg]

The Greeks did not know the Torah/Jewish laws but they equally, like the Jews did not allow the woman to learn and be educated if you read about ancient Greek ways woman had no rights.

[@maryoneill257]

Women in the Jewish culture are very influential. Even to this day, if the mother is not Jewish then the children are not considered Jewish. In the Hebrew culture there were Women Judges, Women Prophets, and always the woman was the teacher in the house. Women were educated and protected within the culture and within the family. In the Greek Society there were gods who were women. Those that ministered to these female gods were women. So they were held in high regard in religious communities. Women were in business. They were both owner and artisan. It was common to see women business owners in Greek trading cities. Women were also allowed to own property in Greece. So I'm not certain what "rights" you are referring to.

[@IphigeniaBurg]

Mary O'Neill Thank you Mary for your feedback on the Hebrew woman. Either way, today the women are liberated through Christ, thank God.

[@DaihoanXbox]

Another two things that is incoherent is that Paul repeatedly used Old Testment scripture to drive several points so they at least had some knowledge of the Torah. Another thing is how are you going to say imperative when you mean expletive/exclamation. Write a manuscript and read the nonsense you're teaching people. If i were a atheist with basic literary knowledge and a decent ear I would heard 4-5 different inconsistencies and communicative errors.

[@phillycrown3116]

Thanks for clearing that up. Seems as though paul is delivering a clear and serious command but there is actually an invisible sarcastic connotation. Its in the greek, so ya know. Just ignore the sacred text handed down to you in your own language. N

[@phillycrown3116]

***** yeah I am finding more and more zero reasons to use it, or even think about it. Maybe because I actually love the holy spirit? I am reading a chapter in wayne grudems systematic theology book on inerrancy of scripture right now and he makes a point to say hes only talking about the original manuscripts as inerrant scripture. So I have to wonder: did jesus quote from erroneous scripture?

[@butterfly8272]

+Chris Lammons they have NEVER missed anything. In every church there have always been female choruses, female missionaries, female preachers, for example catholic nuns teaching, haven't you heard?

[@mr.johnson460]

No women apostles, priests, disciples, and told to be silent. Wonder what that means?

[@willelliott8546]

There's a good chance that there were pagan women causing distraction based on the culture of Corinth back then.

[@breath-of-fresh-air]

Max Imaphily, I am truly great full to Father God ; our Heavenly Father; Jehovah or as I like to call him, Papa Yahweh, for all the various ways he reaches his children. It is certainly through inspiration. The Bible is inspired writings of God through man; God breathed. I have no problem with rock music or hard rock music or hip hop, if that is truly going to speak in the language that captures the hearts and minds of men, to hear God's word. I loved hearing Jake Hamilton's song in Germany at the first Awakening Europe Conference in July of 2015 That made the fear melt away from my heart that I had carried for awhile. It is true what Bill Johnston says, that it needs to be a culture: 5 a: in my Webster's Dictionary, the integrated pattern of human learning and transmitting knowledge to succeeding generations. It is truly important to talk about the gospel and if it be in song or in story, so be it. "It is done" 1 John 2:5 But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him..

[@maximaphily601]

Once any group starts acting like the world, to increase its numbers and crowds, it has already lost the battle. Comprise a little here, be a little worldly and fleshly there. Diminish the light of the Gospel and lose some of the flavour of the salt. Add a little leaven to this part, surely it cannot hurt for the greater good. Love is our mantra. Let's be inclusive, we can attract the people. Let's not dare just teach doctrine, and call for repentance, conviction, a true change, and the bearing of fruit. No let's just have our feel-good experiences and emotions so we feel good about ourselves and those around us. Let us not offend anyone with truth - that will turn the crowds away. So let's just play loud music and jump up and down like the world does - after all, what is the difference between a "Christian" and the world? If you can't see it immediately, then of course there is none! Rock your way to hell........ The point is completely missed. But we have a vision!

[@jhowe5571]

The subject is worship, isn't it??? The audience is who, exactly??? Who does head-banging music glorify??? Who does it attract and who does it repel??? Is "culture", the intellectual achievements of humans, what we should be a part of, or use to draw people, or as a substitute for the Gospel??? Do you really know the Jesus of the Bible, as portrayed and expounded by the four Gospels??? Acts 17:11, 2 Tim 2:15...

[@breath-of-fresh-air]

@J howe, Ha ,ha ha. There is no end to your ridicule. I challenge you to look at the rap,"No Hate" by Bizzle. Changing a culture through rap. How about Sevin's "Bout Whatever." Know that these are the end times and people are affecting people through a Christ culture. God is so ingenious how he partners with yeilded hearts to affect change. Praise God, Hallelu Yah.

[@jhowe5571]

@@breath-of-fresh-air And Jesus was all about the culture, aye? So much so that He gave a teaching to 5,000+ and they all turned away from Him!!!! They wanted the goodies, bread from Heaven and fish to fill their gullets and were offended by His teaching! What I said about worship is true, many people in the charismatic chaos, worship what they know not, for they desire to satisfy their insatiable desire to "bump" with the music, to be pleasured by "headbanging" and such, without respect for God or His word. I know this is going to come across harsh but, I'd be unloving not to give the truth... What is the one thing that changes a person? What is the aim and the goal? Experience headbanging, self glorifying music??? *IT IS THE GOSPEL THAT HAS THE POWER UNTO SALVATION!* Not, experiences. Worship music is to an audience of one, the Lord and Creator of the Universe. The worship of God by Christians does not have the power of salvation, the Gospel does! Yielded hearts doesn't change the culture by way of acting like the world, God does, by His will and the compassion of His saved, preaching the Gospel. Worship isn't the music but, the heart of the saved, as we learn more of who and what God is, are filled with the desire to give Him praise, thanks and glory, loving Him more and more, while recognizing the immeasurable grace given to us, who do not deserve it. What you see as ridicule is nothing more than compassion for others to know the truth... Substitute or add to the Gospel anything and it ceases to be the true Gospel, with the power unto salvation....

[@breath-of-fresh-air]

@J howe, Psalm16:1Keep me safe O God, for in you I take refuge.2.I said to the LORD, "You are my Lord: apart from you I have no good thing."3.As for the saints who are in the land, they are the glorious ones in whom is all my delight.(b)4.The sorrows of those will increase who run after other gods. I will not pour out their libations of blood or take up their names on my lips.5. LORD, you have assigned me my portion and my cup; you have made my lot secure.6The boundry lines have fallen for me in pleasant places; surely I have a delightful inheritance.7.I will praise the LORD, who counsels me; even at night my heart instructs me.8.I have set the LORD always before me. Because he is at my right hand, I will not be shaken.9. Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices; my body also will rest secure, 10. because you will not abandon me to the grave,(a)nor will you let your Holy One (b) see decay.11. You have made (c) known to me your path of life; you will fill me with joy in your presence, with eternal pleasures at your right hand.

[@rokitman5753]

That scripture is added in the bible,do your research. There is NO law anywhere that says a woman must remain silent. Theres so many verses added to Pauls teaching (for control) by you know who that its mind boggeling and preachers just keep on preaching what they are told.

[@breath-of-fresh-air]

@J howe, In the way that you have questioned me, it sounds very much like you are a judge. Like you are trying to box me into the very ideas that you possess in your mind as righteousness. I will not comply. I would like to bring your attention in Romans 8:9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,and19.You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you.And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.10.But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive becuase of righteousness. 11.And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you. 12.Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation--- but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. 13.For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, 14. Because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.15.For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you receved the Spirit of sonship. (a)And by him we cry ,"Abba"(b) Father."16.The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children.17.Now if we are children, then we are heirs---heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.18.I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19. The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed.

[@greglemon2522]

Unfortunately Kris is attempting to write another gospel. Dangerous territory! Too many other scriptures that support the opposite of Kris's conclusion. I Tim 2:11 - 15 among many others. David Platt has a much more contextual and accurate study on this. See his youtube video entitled, "What about women Paul".

[@jhowe5571]

Kris Vallotton.... I'm sorry sir but, you do not know a lick of Greek. I'm the equivalent to a first year Greek student and can tell you don't even know the Greek alphabet. (That little "n" thingy...) It's pronounced, 'a' (eta) and it's a conjunctive or it can be a disjunctive particle! In this case, 'or' is not at the end of the sentence, it's at the beginning of the next one. It marks a contrast to pose a question. Contrary to his assertion that nobody translates this and there's no perfect translation for it (yet Kris translates it as, "what"), a first year Greek student can and does and the Bible translators do, as well! Yes, the Greek word, γυναίκα means, universally, a woman of any age, whether a virgin, or married, or a widow. However, that doesn't give you license to exchange one meaning over another, just so you can twist it for your justification of what you practice in "church". The context of the whole sentence determines the meaning and in this case, it refers to a wife! It is telling when a preacher bends over backwards to twist the meaning of the scriptures into the exact opposite of what they actually teach, all in an attempt to justify what you practice in church and is clearly in defiance of scripture. There is so much false teaching and practices coming out of Bethel, it's hard to even call it "Christian"...

[@johnnilan9139]

Kris you are not fit to teach Paul’s teaching. You need milk. 1 Cor 3:2, Hebrews 5:12-13, 1 Peter 2:2

[@pappycool]

Any woman that desires or pursues positions of authority over men in church is obviously in a state of active rebellion against God, since in Genesis 3:16 God cursed the woman saying that her desires shall be after her husband and that he shall rule over her! Moreover, in the following verse, Genesis 3:17 God curses Adam explicitly saying that Adam is being punished because he had listened to the voice of his wife!!! Therefore all things presented by this man in the video, are the words of a son of disobedience. He is self deceiving himself at best, deceiving also others but it is also possible that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing. This man is in a state of active rebellion and disobedience towards God Himself and therefore he is not of God but of his father, the devil! Himble yourselves all of you who go against the word of God. Repent and fear God. Or face His wrath. Choice is yours. As for this man, may anyone who teaches falsehood be accursed! Amen!

[@devonhill7394]

Chris Irinoiu God head reflect the household. Household reflects the church. God is a God of order. The, father, the son, the Holy Spirit. All God divine naturebut different in role. Man and woman same in human flesh but different in role In the church everyone is the same but men and woman play different roles. Amen I agree with you

[@marybarnes6397]

forgive them Goddess they no not what they do. Separation of men and women.

[@domf8423]

wow this should get Kris fired at Bethel. He is literally preaching nonsense.

[@aaronjackson5303]

his wife gave him permission to preach this sermon

[@maximaphily601]

Yes, it was Eve that was deceived was it not! That is why women cannot teach men in church. Good pick up!

[@ifyourreadingthisurahugeth2810]

@@maximaphily601 oh really? You know what? Men like you almost made me leave my religion I wasnt put on earth to serve incels :)

[@maximaphily601]

There you have it, out of your mouth - "your religion". It is a very good religion I give it that. Satan just loves religion........... If you want to OBEY and follow Christ, then REPENT and leave this known false religion. You will find Jesus quicker via Islam. You need true conversion, not feel-good experiences. You will never learn this truth of fellowship at this cult.

[@seektruth8333]

Lol!😂

[@diogeneshernandez9752]

It's improper for a women to speak in church. Easy. Stop confusing people.

[@johnnilan9139]

He cannot even read 1 Cor 11:3 correctly, to wit, ". . . and the man is the head of a woman . . ." not "and man is the head of every woman" marriage is the reason for headship a man and a woman. Bethel contains such appalling teaching. 2 Timothy 4:3-4. The seeds sown by false teachers and false prophets sprouts toxic weeds that make many sick. The history of the church is replete with examples that have given us the Jehovah Witnesses, Christian Science, Mormonism, United Apostolic Penticostals, etc., etc. READ YOUR BIBLES ! 1 John 2:27. If the Spirit of God dwells in you. Do not always desire that which is sweet. Rev. 10:9-10

[@breath-of-fresh-air]

John Nilan, 1 John 2:27 actally says: As for you, the anointing you, received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as he taught you remain in him."What an incredible part of the Bible in which great knowledge is revealed! Praise God!Hallelu Yah."

[@jhowe5571]

@@breath-of-fresh-air 1 John 2... 27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. The whole chapter should be read and studied out to gain the full context of this scripture. In part, John is writing about the Gospel they were eye witnesses to and knowing Jesus Christ (the Apostles and others). So, one of the critical points is to know the true Gospel, not a false one. Second, if one is truly a believer, John is saying such a person would show/demonstrate the love of God and obey Jesus' commands. So, what did John hear and see? 1 John chapter one refers to their walk with Jesus, before His death, burial and resurrection. John wrote in his gospel, chapter 20... 9 Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” 30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name. And, 1 John 5... 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. It is in the four Gospels that we have record of what they heard and saw. It is also, where they learned the true Gospel. The Gospel of Jesus and the Bible is one that calls for repentance and to trust (believe) in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins and eternal life. Kris Vallotton has admitted to believing and teaching the word of faith gospel of believing for your best life now, bigger houses, better jobs, health and wealth, in a Facebook article he posted some years back. He has also voiced many a prophecy, "thus said the Lord" type that were man centered and had nothing to do with Israel or Jesus Christ, as true prophets of the Old Testament proclaimed. True prophets preached that you should turn from your evil ways and turn to God, for grace and mercy, as seen in verses 14 and 22 below... Regarding false prophets, Jeremiah 23... 11 “For both prophet and priest are profane; Yes, in My house I have found their wickedness,” says the Lord. 12 “Therefore their way shall be to them like slippery ways; in the darkness they shall be driven on and fall in them; For I will bring disaster on them, the year of their punishment,” says the Lord. 13 “And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria: They prophesied by Baal and caused My people Israel to err. 14 Also I have seen a horrible thing in the prophets of Jerusalem: They commit adultery and walk in lies; They also strengthen the hands of evildoers, so that no one turns back from his wickedness. all of them are like Sodom to Me, and her inhabitants like Gomorrah. And... 6 Thus says the Lord of hosts: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They make you worthless; They speak a vision of their own heart, not from the mouth of the Lord. 17 They continually say to those who despise Me, ‘The Lord has said, “You shall have peace” ’; And to everyone who walks according to the dictates of his own heart, they say, ‘No evil shall come upon you.’ ” 18 For who has stood in the counsel of the Lord, and has perceived and heard His word? Who has marked His word and heard it? 19 Behold, a whirlwind of the Lord has gone forth in fury- A violent whirlwind! It will fall violently on the head of the wicked. 20 The anger of the Lord will not turn back Until He has executed and performed the thoughts of His heart. In the latter days you will understand it perfectly. 21 “I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran. I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. 22 But if they had stood in My counsel, And had caused My people to hear My words, Then they would have turned them from their evil way and from the evil of their doings. 23 “Am I a God near at hand,” says the Lord, “And not a God afar off? 24 Can anyone hide himself in secret places, so I shall not see him?” says the Lord; “Do I not fill heaven and earth?” says the Lord. May the Lord open your eyes to the truth of who and what He is, and the message of the Gospel...

[@michaelransdell9470]

At 3:38 Kris literally lies about what something means in Greek. That is the Greek more meaning or, either. It is translated in every English version I have read as or. It is not the end of a verse but the beginning of the next. He has literally purposely changed scripture. How do people not see this deception from this wolf? He is lying to people.

[@darrylmarchand2249]

This is doctrine of the devil. The bible clear on women not preaching or teaching. And he needs to get him a kjv and stay out that devil version of the bible.

[@christiansabeliever]

Darryl Marchand so the Greek is of the devil?

[@darrylmarchand2249]

@@christiansabeliever oh and yes if the Greek wrote this book.

[@trublmkr-vf4mq]

pure serpent seed!

[@breath-of-fresh-air]

Ha ha ha. That is the first time I have ever heard such balderdash.

[@breath-of-fresh-air]

@trublmkr, Your name truly speaks volumes here.

[@Duckilling1]

Amen