Odds & Ends 51: Shop Update

[@Rich206L]

Keith, you are correct. New Rochelle, NY is just north of the Bronx which actually borders the entire south end of Westchester County where New Rochelle is in the lower east end of Westchester. The shop is looking great and today's show was super! Cheers, Rich

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks Rich!

[@JohnBare747]

All is right with the world when the new lathe fires right up and sounds good. You never know sometimes a used machine can sound like a bucket of rocks in a cement mixer so glad you got the desirable end of that stick Keith.

[@VintageMachinery]

I looked over the lathe a bit closer today and everything is still looking good. I hope to have some time to start tearing into restoring it over the weekend!

[@jaywest4102]

"Up yonder in my other shop" most men only dream of uttering a sentence like that.

[@vajake1]

I was thinking the same thing! I grew up around men and women that spoke just that way.

[@VintageMachinery]

A man can't have too many "shops"....

[@douglasthompson2740]

Hello Keith, I would suggest reassessing your insulation call. I believe I have heard that open cell will shrink when curing and pull away from your framing members. Might check that out. I do know that if it does get wet it will take forever to dry out so that might not be an advantage as far as leaks. My suggestion for what it is worth is use mineral wool batting and that college kid. It doesn't itch and goes quickly. Better fire rating and sound dampening as well as it dries out if wetted. Critters don't like it either. Cost is much much less than spray foam just a bit above fiberglass batt. Worth looking into. Good luck with a fine looking shop. Doug

[@garyallsebrook3493]

I was surprised to see an oilless compressor in your shop! I had a Craftsman just like it was so loud it could wake up the dead! I added a 60 gal Campbell Hausfied compressor, to my shop, with a refrigerated drier and 3 stage Devilbries filter to mine with a Rapidair distribution system and I'm a happy camper. You can stand next to it and talk on a cell phone while its cycling! Perfect for plasma cutters, media blasting and painting! I also added a digital automatic drain so I never have to purge the water out of it and a digital timer to prevent it from cycling at night and waking the wife or neighbors I even added an automatic oiler for the pneumatic tools. You have a most impressive shop! I enjoy your progress reports!

[@VintageMachinery]

I hate that air compressor. I really want to upgrade it now that I am in the bigger shop, but it will just have to do until I can get the shop farther along and can afford to buy a better one....

[@garyallsebrook3493]

Shop your size you probably need an 80 Gallon. Home Depot sells Husky Which is made by Campbell Hausfeild. I added a Harbor Freight refrigerated drier because I don't have the room in my garage to ruin the lines properly to snag the condensate. An automatic digital drain is a very nice add on to insure your tank won't rot out www.amazon.com/Electronic-Automatic-Tank-Drain-Compressors/dp/B00273WV78/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1465671355&sr=8-6&keywords=automatic+compressor+drain

[@CornishMiner]

Looking forward to progress on the furnace Keith. Maybe you'll be able to have a go at recasting the dial for that lovely old safe? Best wishes from Cornwall, England.

[@VintageMachinery]

I got some work done on the furnace this weekend!

[@LarryDeSilva64]

Well the good thing about the spray on insulation is that it acts as a fire retardent. You have a lot of wood there to protect not to mention all of your machines you need to protect. Thanks for sharing

[@one4stevo]

Shops coming long nicely Keith must admit i really cant wait for the lathe restoration looking forward to seeing how you attack it. I fully restored a 9 inch a couple years ago. and boy was that a big job for me, But one that's very satisfying,

[@VintageMachinery]

I am itching to get started on it!

[@stuvs830]

That shine on the sealed floor looks smarter and smarter. And it's a step I wouldn't of thought of.

[@VintageMachinery]

It sure makes cleanup a lot easier as well!

[@cnc-ua]

And here is a milestone, all the video from a new shop. Congratulations, Keith

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks!

[@johnc4352]

Hi Keith, just a little note on 480 volt electricity. With 240v, you get the 240 when you go from one hot conductor to the other, there is no neutral, if you go from one conductor to ground you only get 120v, so if you come in contact with a single wire or a conductor insulation wears and contacts the machine frame you only get a 120v shock. Unpleasant but not too bad once you are familiar with the sensation. 480 volt is more dangerous, go from one hot conductor to the other and you get the full 480, but now if you go from one conductor to ground you will now get 240 volts. A 240 volt shock, will definitely ruin your day. Also, if you check your line voltage and you read 240 volts it means your power company's transformers are hooked up in a delta configuration, if you read 208 volts it means their transformers are set up in a star or Y configuration, it's really not important to you as the consumer, but it leads to some confusion for shop guys playing with electricity.

[@VintageMachinery]

I am getting 240 volts at the panel.

[@RoelTyros]

Hello Keith, A nice surprise to see the first Odds&Ends in the new shop and the update about the things you did. I can understand that you have to stop for a time to save money for the isolation of the roof. With temperatures at about 90 degrees than it is getting very important to isolate the roof. Talking about the weather, here in the Netherlands it isn't so warm and mostly at about 70 degrees. But maybe you did hear it maybe on world news that we did and still have very bad thunderstorms for about a week. The most water damage has happened in Germany and 8 people died, and about 41 people got injured from lightning. Here in my place we had till now luck and only a few streets flowed over with water but my street not. Our house is on the top of a little hill in the city so all the water flows downside the street. But I really hope that we get some better weather and that those bad thunderstoms go away. But anyway, I'm looking forward to the finishing of the furnace and the first time you fire it up and than how it performs. Also great to hear from you that you gonna make video's when you're going to restore the laid. Nice that you did the first start of it on video and it sounds pretty good to me, not very loud. Again thanks for the nice video and looking forward to the next one ! Many greetings from Roel !

[@VintageMachinery]

Sorry to hear about your storms. Because I work for a German company, I pay more attention to the news coming from over there and I am always corresponding with fellow employees from Germany. We just got news that there is a tropical storm brewing down in the Gulf of Mexico that could cause us some issues over the next few days. We could use some rain, but not flooding and high winds....

[@RoelTyros]

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org I mostly follow also the news out of America because of my youtube friends like you. Bad to hear that maybe in your place you get also very bad weather. Really hope that the storm doesn't hit your place and it only rains a bit also for to cool down I guess.

[@garyc5483]

Glad to see the shop progress. It lives!!! :-) Will look forward to the lathe restoration. regards from the UK

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks Gary!

[@MrPragmaticLee]

Powered louvers in your attic space with positive pressure on the machining side that power cycle with the fan power will serve to exhaust the hot air from both sides but still prevent saw dust from entering the machining side when not in use. Looking forward to the lathe restoration. Oh, I'm thinking you should throw your own Bash in the new shop when it's completed and set up. :-)

[@VintageMachinery]

I am toying with the idea of having some kind of open house this fall. We will have to wait and see how far the shop has come along between now and then.

[@dougbourdo2589]

Sounds like a great relief to the unknown of the lathe Keith. Good for you. I kept imagining you doing one of those jump up heel clicks!! Keep up the good & interesting work. Well Done.

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks Doug!

[@mrfrog3350]

Looks great Keith! Reminds me of my boats(Bust Out Another Thousand). But I guess shop stands for Spend Heavily On Payday. Closed cell is the way to go as far as cost and R-value.The sound absorption will be great too.Keep pluggin' away buddy!

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks!

[@razorworks9942]

Congratulation on your shop progress Keith. I am excited for you, and flipping the switch on the lathe, well... thing sounds awesome! So glad your attending the Bash, maybe I can get some talk time in with you this year! Razor!!

[@VintageMachinery]

Looking forward to it!

[@blmeflmm66]

Oh yeah. Keith, I sent a message to that guy with the craigslist phase converter. It IS 50hp. There wasn't anything to give it scale in the photo, but that "little" pump was a 25 horse pump. Go figure. Thanks for the video. I'm green with envy over your shop. Wow! it's really something special.

[@VintageMachinery]

Thank you!

[@ChrisB257]

Nice job with the framing Keith. The insulation cost is pretty predictable but certainly a necessary venture - well worth it in the end. That lathe sounds sweet... great potential. Your calendar sounds pretty full!

[@VintageMachinery]

Yes, it is expensive, but it is also something that really needs to be done. It will take me a while to save up the cash, but worth every penny once it is done!

[@Blazer02LS]

Keith, on the vent fan, How about running a duct the full length of the shop, connected to exhaust fans at both ends? Cut vents spaced evenly across the length. That would draw the heat/fumes out more evenly. You could also build your welding table and run a duct down to it for extraction.

[@lazaglider]

That sir, is a good idea.

[@kevinhornbuckle]

An advantage would be that he could localize the extraction if he wanted to, by closing the duct louvers except for the area in which he needs extraction.

[@VintageMachinery]

Something to consider!

[@downunderwest2501]

Hi Keith good progress! Just an idea, I have a couple of those round domed extractors that are turned by the wind on the apex of my workshop roof and those work really well pulling out the hot air. We have rain that is sometimes almost falling horizontal driven by the wind and I was worried at first that these things might leak water inside the shop but they have been on the roof three years now and I never had a problem. Here in Tasmania they are relatively cheap, easy to install and cost nothing to run. Might be something to consider? Kind regard

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks - we use those a lot on barns and even to pull heat out of an attic around here. They would help with the heat in the summer but would not be good in the winter.

[@shawnmrfixitlee6478]

Shop is looking sweet Keith , Love that ole lathe man .. Glad it fired up and runs well . Thumbs up !

[@VintageMachinery]

Looking forward to getting it all running like it should!

[@TerryTalton]

From experience I can tell you the water will come through the closed cell foam. I used closed cell on my entire shop and made the mistake of going with an ag-panel metal roof. I've since had a few of the fasteners leak and I can tell where by the water leaking into the shop.

[@VintageMachinery]

That is good to hear - but I hate to hear that you had leaks in your roof...

[@machinesmotorcycles5511]

I sure do like that lathe . I am looking forward to watching you bring it back to life .

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks!

[@mfletch392]

Thanks for the update Keith nice to see the lathe running and all looks and sounds good cant remember if you've given us the specs on the lathe but it looks just the right size for every day use. if I was rich Id be helping you out with the shop as I know its frustrating when you want to get her done as Keith Fenner would say

[@VintageMachinery]

If I were rich, it would already be finished! No worries - it will get done with time!

[@lyntonr6188]

awesome Keith, glad to see the new lathe running nice.

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks - now to tear her down, fix anything needing fixing, and put her all back together!

[@esoomreltna]

Keith, Regarding a second exhaust fan. You may want to consider that if both fans are going that the flow from one may stall or reduce the flow on the other. An aerodynamic argument if you know what I mean. Your shop is beautiful and it has given me lots of ideas for my own (much smaller) place. All the best, Eric

[@VintageMachinery]

Very possible!

[@waynephillips2777]

Everything is looking great! Congratulations on the encouraging lathe start up!

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks!

[@stuvs830]

That beautiful shop is a treat but I long to see that furnace in action.

[@VintageMachinery]

Worked on the furnace today!

[@phildeeds8238]

Put a filter in that opening. That way the sawdust wont get through but the ventilation will still work OK. Phil

[@JunkMikesWorld]

Nice lathe! Have you picked a color for it yet? My big one is smoke grey but some of my other machines are repainted in origonal black. The black looks real nice but man it sucks light out of the room. All the best! Mike

[@VintageMachinery]

Leaning towards "Vista Green". Not sure yet.

[@swarfrat311]

Keith, Thanks for the shop update. You can't beat a Baldor grinder. When I was in direct mail, several machines were powered by 1hp Baldor DC motors. Other machines used straight 240VAC drive motors and a Reeves drive to vary the speed. I can hardly wait until you start work on your lathe. That was build back when "Build in the USA" meant something! Sadly, in most cases, that's not happening any more. Thanks again for the video and stay cool! I am assuming you are installing a drinking fountain or have one of those coolers that you mount the 5 gallon water jug on top of. Have a good one! Dave

[@VintageMachinery]

One day, I hope to have a fountain in the shop. Got to get water in there first. So many things to do - one at a time as money will allow....

[@crunchysuperman]

Thanks for the video - looking forward to the lathe restoration.

[@VintageMachinery]

Thank you - itching to get started!

[@leburnham5864]

Be sure to have the phases wired correctly. On anything with solid state or relay controls, having the wild leg improperly wired can/will cause the control circuitry to fail. I saw it improperly wired on almost every vinyl welder I worked on. That was a "cash cow" for me. RE: No ground" Today is a good day to fry". Also many solid state & relay controls can fail from lack of a ground. Great new shop!

[@VintageMachinery]

I typically wire my three phase cumming off a phase converter so that the center lug in the panel is always the "wild leg" and I always use the red wire on that leg. Makes finding it on the other end of a run much easier.

[@ronicard]

All right! I'm loving the thought of lathe restoration videos!

[@VintageMachinery]

I started digging into the lathe some today - still a long way to go...

[@rotokid4820]

Looking great Keith. You might consider walking some elderly ladies across the street to increase your luck for the phase converter giveaway at the bash.

[@VintageMachinery]

I am signed up. Winning will probably be a miracle. I rarely ever win anything at a raffle or drawing. Now my wife wins this kind of stuff all the time. Perhaps I should get her to sign up....

[@chuckwin100]

I was just wondering about the lathe sitting on the concrete floor...from what I know heavy machines require a very solid base...will the floor that you have made be solid enough?

[@VintageMachinery]

The concrete is rated for a minimum of 10,000 pounds per square inch, so it should support the machines without any problem.

[@chuckhaynes6458]

Your lathe reminds me of the "War Baby" Pratt&Whitney we had at the V&T R.R. where I worked. Very fine machines from that era. Does yours have a taper bar attachment? If the ways are in tolerance you have a really good machine.

[@VintageMachinery]

Yes, it has a taper attachment. I measured the movement of the carriage across the ways, but I want to do it again after restoring as I believe I can adjust some of that out.

[@bcbloc02]

Shop is looking good with some tools in it! Can't wait to see what the new machine is Mike is going to help you move. :-)

[@VintageMachinery]

You will like the new machine! It has a few issues but I am still excited!

[@jasontelschow4053]

Hello Keith, I have a similar lathe that is missing a clutch for the feed. Mine is a pratt and whitney 14" lathe model c m1696. Do you have any ideas do where I could find a clutch assembly?

[@VintageMachinery]

That is probably going to be tough. Search the internet for Pratt and Whitney Lathe Parts - there are several companies out there that stock a bunch of new old stock parts for old machines. They usually want an arm and leg for them, but some are out there....

[@jasontelschow4053]

I have searched and they wanted more than what a brand new lathe might cost. I have considered building the parts myself but have nothing to go on as the old parts were removed. I may just have to be my own feed till I buy a different lathe or come across someone willing to lend me their assembly to copy. Probably a low chance of that. Thank you for responding. I enjoy your videos and appreciate your thoughts.

[@chevy6299]

Woo Hoo Taking Spring out with splash and bring Summer in with a blast.

[@kevCarrico]

looks like you need a better threshold seal on that rear roll-up door?

[@StreuB1]

Great video Keith, shes comin along!! Happy for ya!! The lathe looks good as well!! Stout SOB by the looks of it! :-D

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks Brian - having fun in the shop today!

[@tolydukhovny682]

dear krith, i am very pleased to learn of your progress in the 3-ph wiring, and that your recently obtained lathe turned out to be in great shape. also, i am glad to hear that your furnace is finished. always rooting for you, -toly

[@VintageMachinery]

Well, the furnace is not finished, but I did work on it today - it is really close to firing up now....

[@SpookyDad]

It is cool to see the clutch lever on the carriage. A previous owner had cut the lower rod off my Leblond. The linkage to the clutch is still there but the entire rod assembly has been removed. Your Leblond is missing the pulley cover on the drive belts. I have the cover on mine and if you want, I can take some pictures and dimensions for you.

[@VintageMachinery]

I am going to need to fabricate a new belt cover so I would love to see some pictures!

[@alcova53]

Something else that works good for slow cooling of smaller items is Floor Dry... I had a part that was 6 x 6 x 4 inches in size that was welded up and after 12 hours in Floor Dry it was still warm to the touch when I took it out

[@VintageMachinery]

That is basically a type of clay - a great insulator.

[@thomasutley]

Big milestone with the shop and the lathe. Nice grinder, too.

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks Tom - you should have a similar grinder (or two)....

[@bobhorton4750]

Hi Keith. Glad to see the lathe start up and sound so good.

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks Bob!

[@KnolltopFarms]

Congratulations on the nice start on your lathe! Thanks for the update...Aloha, Chuck

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks Chuck!

[@elsdp-4560]

THANK YOU...for sharing.

[@VintageMachinery]

And THANK YOU for watching!

[@davidwaker7996]

Shops looking great. Looking forward to the lathe resto.

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks David!

[@Shockedbywater]

Unless you are going to be running multiple 3 phase machines at the same time I would not worry about adding capacity to your phase converter. If your concern is NEC compliance and the loading of the unit keep in mind the NEC allows you to only count the equipment that is expected to run at the same time. (NEC 210.60 if you are interested.) I really enjoy your videos and cant tell you how envious I am of your new shop, wow! Your shop would not fit on my property even if we leveled the house. LOL

[@VintageMachinery]

The converter I have will run most of the machinery that I have, but I have some bigger machinery coming that it is not big enough for. Hence the want of more capacity.

[@Shockedbywater]

Understood, just trying to save you some money if you did not need it. Thanks for the replay and thanks for very interesting videos!

[@dinxsy8069]

I've never understood 3 Phase converters, actually never did any research on it had no need. What's the idler Motor purpose?

[@artemiasalina1860]

The purpose of the idler motor is to generate the third phase from the two phases of the source. Basically the idler is being used like a motor/generator set. Two windings in the idler are powered by the source which makes the motor spin, which in turn causes the third winding to act as a generator that has the proper phase relationship to the two source phases. The output is 3 phase electricity (the two source phases plus the generated 3rd phase).

[@dinxsy8069]

ArtemiaSalina I see, makes total sense now. I had always thought the Motor was connected to a Generator but when Keith said Idler my theory went out the window haha. Thanks for it.

[@artemiasalina1860]

Dinxsy You're welcome!

[@VintageMachinery]

I am late to the game, but hopefully you see what is going on. The bottom line is that a phase converter can take single phase as input and convert it to three phase - really handy for us guys who don't have access to three phase for whatever reason.

[@dinxsy8069]

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org Yeah now understand how and why it works, the idler Motor threw me off, ingenious idea.

[@newandoldtech5634]

I wonder if there, out there somewhere, is a lathe that vary the speed depending on where the bit is in correlation to center of chuck. A frequency comverter combined with encoder for bit position mounted on the crosslide, that is calibrated for each setup, could keep cutting speed near constant.

[@VintageMachinery]

Most CNC lathes will do just that.

[@lewiemcneely9143]

I'm with you about having a ground on everything I do, and like you, I' don't have enough hair for a curly perm. And I REALLY like first starts! Thanks Teach! A-PLUS!

[@VintageMachinery]

Not having a ground is just not cool - easy fix in this case...

[@lewiemcneely9143]

10/4 on the fix. My wifes step dad-in-law made up a 220 drop cord out of a cheap 2 wire drop cord. It scared me till the hair stood up but my electriciner buddy said it'd work but it could kill you. I keep it around till I get a 3 OR 4 wire setup for a cord, depending on what I'm doing. 4 preferably but at least 3. Can't try and rig something that has a death wish hanging off of it.

[@jasoncloutier4182]

I like your new shop. can't wait to see all your machinery that you have.

[@VintageMachinery]

Thank you - we are slowly moving in that directino.

[@63256325N]

Thanks for the video Keith, things are coming along. Question: why would one need a grinder that needs 440 to run? Isn't that a bit much?

[@VintageMachinery]

If the rest of the shop wiring was 440 volt, it would be nice to not have to have a transformer for this one machine. Lots of big factories run on 440 volt. And, most three phase motors are dual voltage - they can be wired to run on either 220 or 440 by easily changing a couple of wires in the motor.

[@63256325N]

Thanks for the reply Keith. I just can not get my head around wiring, never could, although I've never had any hands on training. Just talking doesn't do it for me I've got to see it/do it, so it'll sink in.

[@jcs6347]

What model LaBlond is the lathe? and what is the size? Thanks!

[@VintageMachinery]

It is a 12" Heavy Duty lathe.

[@kevinbyrne4538]

Usually when Keith is in the new shop, he's upstaged by Josie the cat, but this time he was upstaged by a mocking bird.

[@EnsignRho]

I presume you know this, but getting a large metal container (like 1/3rd steel drum) and filling it with lime (like they use for baseball diamond lines), you can use that medium to slowly cool down cast iron weldments over 12+ hours. It acts as a powerful insulator and allows cast iron parts to cool down slow enough to not reintroduce cracks or weakness. You can also use nickel rod for welding cast iron, and they have a newer style of rod that's a little more expensive which is a pinched rod with a sand-like material on the inside. Preheat to a dull cherry red, then weld, maintain heat while welding, then post-heat before putting in lime.

[@VintageMachinery]

The old blacksmiths used wood ash for the same thing. I have even used vermiculite - works great!

[@EnsignRho]

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org never knew that. Thanks! :-)

[@vipervette03]

looking forward to seeing the lathe restoration project.

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks!

[@gregg4]

Thumbs up for the furnace! Cannot wait to see that.

[@VintageMachinery]

Been working on it some during evenings this week. I hope to have an update on my progress really soon!

[@c.barr813]

have you considered a vinyl strip door or curtain between the 2 halves? it would be a shame to see all that glorious space in the middle cut in half or the cost of doors big enough to pass a gantry through. you never know.

[@jusb1066]

saloon bar doors! lol

[@timothybarney7257]

I was thinking the same, basically gives you nearly full use of the opening while still closing it off. They're heavy enough that if you only want to ventilate half the shop at any time, they'll block/reduce airflow between the two halves of the building.

[@VintageMachinery]

Yes, I am considering a curtain. Still have not made up my mind and probably won't until I do something....

[@cheeto4493]

You might consider making the wall between the 2 shop areas 2 large doors. Either sliding, or swinging (on wheels or track). And then just have a small walk through between them. You never know when you will need a large opening, or the ability to pull a trailer or such all the way through.

[@VintageMachinery]

I am even considering a curtain - at lest for the short term...

[@MattsMotorz]

That lathe is great! I'm jealous! :]

[@VintageMachinery]

Thank you!

[@arkansas1313]

Good luck with the lathe--great shop, looking nice! ....13

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks!

[@dundasjunctionmodelr.r-jam8267]

Keith you could feed your 220 3 phase to a transformer then you could leave your grinder set at 440 volts

[@VintageMachinery]

Yes, I could, but then I would have to buy a transformer. Much cheaper to change a couple of wires so that it will run on 220 volts. It is a dual voltage motor and can be configured to run on either voltage.

[@dundasjunctionmodelr.r-jam8267]

+Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org hi Keith I was thinking about the current draw , I repair motors for a living, really enjoy your channel , I live Dundas Ontario Canada

[@charlescompton4495]

I am looking forward to the future videos, especially how to go over the lathe. I have a small lathe that I know will need some attention so you and others will be my instructors. See you later, teach! Greg

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks Greg - looking forward to starting on the lathe. Hopefully this weekend!

[@elmarqo_3448]

What does your power company think of your 3ph power converter?

[@VintageMachinery]

To be honest with you, I have not asked them and really don't care. Rotary phase converters are pretty common where I live though - there are tons of farmers who use them to power their center pivot irrigation systems where they do not have access to three phase.

[@jimpritz4169]

Another great video Keith. The lathe sounds like it is in very good condition. Can't wait for the restoration to begin. You are truly blessed to have the means to build and equip such an outstanding shop. Just curious to know if the shop is planned to be used for museum projects, production work, hobby purposes, educational videos, maybe all of the above? Feel free to ignore that question if I am being too nosey. Anyhow, thanks again for another informative video. p.s. where's Josey?

[@VintageMachinery]

I plan to do pretty much everything you mentioned above except for production work. For me, the shop is a place to spend time doing things I enjoy - I don't want to make it a job, so I will probably for the most part stay away from paying jobs (particularly production jobs).

[@VintageMachinery]

Oh, and Josie is still around. Here lately, I have been letting the dogs out to run when I am outside and she stays more or less hid when the dogs are running around.

[@cheeto4493]

Have you considered the blown cellulose insulation with glue? I've seen it here in Oklahoma in some older buildings. Don't know its efficiency versus foam. Sprays kinda like blown insulation, but a gun applies glue as it comes out of the hose. Most sticks, the rest that falls down dries and is reused, re-applied. I believe it has an excellent sound absorption too.

[@stuvs830]

Glue? Is it a fire hazard then?

[@cheeto4493]

Not that I know of. The Fire Marshall allows it to be used exposed or covered in public buildings. I believe it is treated with Borax, the same as blown in Cellulose used in attics as a fire retardant. It's not quite as durable as foam, but if left untouched stays on quite well. The only problem I've ever seen with it was a building that was left shut up that had roof leaks. The high humidity inside caused the sheet metal to sweat and the insulation released from the walls. Like I said, not quite as good as foam in either durability or R-value, but the price might be well worth it. Also, since it doesn't have a hard skin as foam, it does better at sound absorption.

[@VintageMachinery]

I don't know of anybody around here that blows that stuff in.

[@atbglenn]

Keith, looking good my friend. Unfortunately, I don't live near you. Otherwise, I'd be there helping you.

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks Glenn - I wish you were closer as I would not turn down any help!

[@travisshrewsbury7169]

good to see the old lathe going,sounded good, shop really looks great still say its worth a pinkey toe!lol

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks!

[@tom7601]

Did you ever finish the safe dial setup?

[@atbglenn]

I'd like to know as well

[@VintageMachinery]

Got to finish the furnace first. I worked on the furnace today!

[@joetiller1031]

Glad to see the lathe fire up the old girl sounds great, the make shift handle looks like a gear shift lever out of a old mack truck just kidding, I know you will make it right.

[@jusb1066]

be interesting to see him solved the mystery of the feed handle on the proper side and how the mechanism is supposed to work and see it fixed, this is what id love to see him do, i enjoy seeing broken things repaired.

[@VintageMachinery]

Yeah, the "gear shift" has got to go.....

[@infoanorexic]

The lathe sounds great to me. I would have been tempted to run out and scrounge something to put in it, make a chip or two to get familiar with it and try to determine where it needed attention first. That would have been my excuse, anyway. In reality I would have been playing :-)

[@VintageMachinery]

It was tempting, but I decided to just tear into it!

[@mgmoody42]

@ 23:36 why do you have a chain jack?

[@aserta]

I think building a bigger phase converter is the better option, mainly because if you already built one, you know how to do the next one (plus with the internet today, you're an e-mail away from asking experts for some advice) and two because parts can be cheaper than a whole machine.

[@VintageMachinery]

I am leaning in that direction.

[@NekitaNet]

Keith, the echo isn't as bad (or even that bad) as one can have with such a large enclosed space. I'm guessing with more things in the new shop, it will even be better.

[@jusb1066]

yeah new houses are terrible for it, but once you fill it (even new carpeted houses suffer) all the things break up the sound

[@VintageMachinery]

You are probably correct for the most part - but there is a lot of open space up high that won't have anything to block the sound.

[@NekitaNet]

Yes, though they're all at angles. It's not a flat roof that bounces it all right back. To my ears the echo was comparable to some of the larger classrooms I've been in. When the roof is insulated, what will the difference be when you trim that off (what cover plates will you use)? Because if you're using non sound absorbing material you'll in my estimation get (most likely) close to the same echo. B.t.w. I would myself also would want to insulate the roof.

[@jusb1066]

so theres: finishing the furnace, using it to make the safe parts and machining them, fixing and restoring the lathe. Anything else you can do in a spare 5 minutes keith! lol

[@VintageMachinery]

The key is to use as many of those spare 5 minutes as possible. They add up!

[@metalhead491]

Excited about the furnace!

[@VintageMachinery]

Worked on it today!

[@jeffmoss26]

the shop is looking awesome!

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks Jeff!

[@ericcorse]

I like the Le Blond I like how this older lathes seem to run so smoothly.

[@VintageMachinery]

Looking forward to getting it all fixed up.

[@Thunderstixx77]

You have enough room in the new shop for a rock band to practice in there during the week. You can charge them rent and everything... Although, I wouldn't take a check from them...

[@VintageMachinery]

Maybe that is how I can pay for the insulation!

[@emildekoven4872]

Congratulations on the promising condition of the lathe..... You didn't try the various speeds..... Any special reason?

[@VintageMachinery]

No reason - I have since run through all of the speeds and they all work. I also pulled the cover off and everything in the gear case looks to be in good shape.

[@smokiepossum561]

great video have you ever seen the old foot powered lathes almost bout one but was too late

[@VintageMachinery]

I actually have a foot powered wood lathe - it is on display at the museum right now though....

[@RJGMWR]

hi Keith I noticed that u our carriage is similar to mine the lever on the bottom right also changes direction of the feed in the carriage.

[@VintageMachinery]

I was doing some reading in the manual yesterday and saw where the bottom lever reverses things as well. Nice to know!

[@Opinionator52]

So nice & quiet! Cool.... Take care Keith..... :o) O,,,

[@VintageMachinery]

Yeah, much more quite than the Lodge and Shipley at the museum...

[@patriklindahl4991]

Is 3 phase power uncommon in America? I'm asking because I thought it was more common. I have 3 phase power in my little two room apartment, so maybe it is me that is the odd one.

[@cheeto4493]

only common in industrial areas.

[@VintageMachinery]

The grid is three phase, but for whatever reason, we typically do not have three phase in residential areas - only in industrial areas. A lot of times, you may have three phase on the pole or at the road, but it is uncommon to have it in your home.

[@robgerrits4097]

Nice update Keith. thanks.

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks for watching!

[@geoepi321975]

Whats the total cost of the shop ?

[@sharpx777]

awesome lathe, also very quiet

[@VintageMachinery]

Thank you!

[@holyblood1]

thanks for the update, i like it a lot

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks!

[@TheCritterWindow]

I have some new grinding wheels that came from an auction I will look at the sizes and let you know.

[@VintageMachinery]

Thanks!

[@gbowne1]

Well hopefully you'll win the RPC at the bash. ;)

[@VintageMachinery]

I have my name in the hat....

[@200932me]

Have you considered radiant barrier instead of insulation?

[@VintageMachinery]

Yes, but insulation will do a much better job.

[@GermanToolReviews]

So many projects, so little time...

[@VintageMachinery]

Oh so true.... All I need is time and money....

[@robertkutz]

keith nice lathe shop looking good.

[@VintageMachinery]

Thank you!

[@olivier2553]

Phase converter is the most unreasonable thing I ever heard. You should get 3 phases main power and split it when you only need one phase. Going from 3 phases to 1 phase is easy and immediate, going from 1 phase to 3 need some equipment, waste electricity.

[@lewiemcneely9143]

You get a 3-phase out where he is it would cost a PILE of $$$ and have a minimum charge that he could never justify, no matter how much work he did. 3-phase is not made for remote places or small business.

[@Trank00007]

Getting true 240 split phase is not easy (120 and 240 volt). With a 208Y feed 120 volt single phase can be pulled off a single leg to the neutral leg. to get 240 volt a transformer would be needed. There is something known as a 3 phase wild leg configuration(not common anymore) that does allow for 120 and 240 split phase as well as 240 delta 3 phase. The other problem is evenly loading the legs. if the 3 legs are not evenly loaded your power factor will be trashed reducing total efficiency and thus wasting electricity. in the 208Y config it would be possible to balance all 3 legs but would require multiple transformers all producing heat and wasting electricity. As far as the wild leg config i don't believe its possible to balance all 3 legs. Long story short, once efficiency is factored in converting from 3 phase to split phase is not a trivial thing to do. Rotary or solid state phase converters are often more economical and efficient in the long run.

[@VintageMachinery]

I could not agree with you more - assuming that you have three phase to start with. All I have available where I live is single phase, so splitting out single from the three is not an option. What I am left with is that I need to create three phase from single - not the opposite.

[@lewiemcneely9143]

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org Some folks have a hard time realizing that a 3-phase line doesn't run everywhere and you have to have a real demand for it to even pay for it. When the local boulder hole started up it was pulled by a Cat generator (pony motor start, D-9 engine). Finally the co-op pulled a 3-phase line so they could expand. Now the power bill is several k's a month but they process 12 to 1400 tons an hour. Be hard to get enough gensets to run all that. BUT are on a demand setting so they can't start before 9 a.m. Trying to save in these 'prosperos' times.

[@MartinBorn]

From the point of view of an electrician from Germany, the american power delivery system looks kinda funny. Especially the hiccups to get three phase power...

[@VintageMachinery]

Lot of history tied up in the way our electrical system was designed. The problem is that once they started running power to homes to have a light in each room and not much else, we got stuck with a system that was not the best for more power consuming items like we have in homes today. Our electrical delivery system is based on the needs of the 1940's and has never been upgraded. It would cost so much to do so now that I doubt that it ever will be....

[@MrEdwardhartmann]

Did anyone else notice the bolt fly off the lathe and drop on the floor between the lathe and the air compressor at 20:20 on the timeline?

[@VintageMachinery]

Now I am going to have to figure out where that came from.....