Kelly's Tigers | Yugoslav “Tiger” movie props

[@MikeKnell2884]

Tigers in the Kelly's Heroes are some of the best "conversions" I've seen. Even with all the details that are out of place for Tigers, inherent to the T-34s used as the base, they were more than enough convincing for me. The whole production level for that movie is top notch with great action scenes.

[@MrKersey]

Those T-34/Tigers still looked better than the one in "Saving Pvt.Ryan"

[@gerardoramoncesarreynaldo9469]

When it was first released, I was already in high school and had seen what the Tiger 1 looked like. Needless to say, I was impressed when these conversions appeared in that movie. The producers really made the effort to come up with a near-real version.

[@Panzergraf]

Absolutely, and especially when compared to many other war movies at the time (like Patton and Battle of the Bulge), that just painted Wehrmacht markings on an M47 or something and called it a Tiger.

[@stewartmillen7708]

"The Battle of the Bulge" movie should have used the same prop specialists...what, using Chaffees as Shermans, and (I believe) M47s as King Tigers? Awful.

[@wolfehoffmann2697]

@@stewartmillen7708 Yes, but Battle of the Bulge was made at a time when Chaffees and Pattons were available in large numbers on the cheap for making movies. The only running German armour left from the war was in active Syrian military service. There are so many more things wrong with that movie other than the tanks. The list is a mile long, at least, and the tanks are near the bottom of the list.

[@christineshotton824]

I am very pleased at the positive things said about the attempts to mock up Tigers for the cinema. Because if there's one thing we don't need, it's no negative waves, Moriarty.

[@carbo73]

Great! I LOVE Kelly's Heroes. I've even been in Vizinada, the Istrian village representing "Clermont", the French village with the Tigers and the gold. It's quite intact, and fun to walk through the same streets that Kelly, Oddball, Big Joe and the rest!

[@mario.-_-.]

Every year there is a special WW2 event inspired by the movie.

[@carbo73]

@@mario.-_-. yes, I've seen some videos. But when we visited Croatia, I have to search and identify the village only from the footage and looking for pictures of most of the villages in Istria, mostly for the bell tower, which was clearly of Venetian style, so it was most probably Istria.

[@SuperErikRoss]

That sounds like fun !!!!

[@Ulani101]

The Kelly's Heroes Tigers were pretty convincing, as long as the cameras were kept focused high on the superstructures, and the guns weren't fired. The running gear was a dead giveaway, however, along with the lack of recoil on the main armaments. Full marks for the engineers who created them.

[@MrSteve420b]

So was the diesel exhaust smoke 😀

[@RichardDCook]

The dead giveaway to a T-34 conversion is always the turret being too far forward. Did any conversions move the turret back? That would have been extremely expensive.

[@dallesamllhals9161]

@@RichardDCook Wheels!

[@dallesamllhals9161]

YUP! But the night attack looks GREAT!

[@genericpersonx333]

In fairness to Oddball and crew, the number of tanks in 1943-44 which didn't have thinner armor on the rear could be counted on one hand!

[@jlvfr]

The correct thing to say, I think, would be "it was a little less thick in the rear"... which still made it better than most tanks!

[@MichalKaczorowski]

Rear armor of Tiger was only 20mm thinner than front armor but in point blank range even 50mm gun would penetrate it ;)

[@lisandro2485]

​@@MichalKaczorowski thats a myth too, if You see at the rear of a Tiger or Panther you see it's angled. Even at point blank You gonna need a high velocity proyectile in order to penetrate.

[@rogersmith7396]

Fury shows them going for the rear. I think a 76 mm Sherman had to be within 500 yards to penetrate a Tigers front. Not a place where you want to be.

[@rogersmith7396]

There was the story of a Greyhound taking out a Tiger with multiple shots from the rear.

[@johnkelley9877]

Kelly's Heroes is one of my favorite movies because of the story and the vehicles, especially the Tiger. Thanks for sharing this and the information about Yugoslavian military movies.

[@robertmorton38]

I thought that the effort made to put together a number of ersatz-Tigers for these films certainly raised the bar as far as making a war movie look a bit more authentic. With "Kelly's Heroes", the zimmerit finish on the sides of the hull and turret was the icing on the cake. I first saw this movie when I was thirteen years old...I have it on DVD. I occasionally watch it and I can recite the lines work-for-word. I am in my sixties now. I still love it.

[@michaellynes3540]

The T-34-85 mockup of the Tiger tank in “Kelly’s Heroes” and “Saving Private Ryan” looks like the Porsche Tiger.

[@vukacimovic9196]

My grandfather actually was one of the pilots who represented the planes in užička republika

[@stquitxxiv4830]

svaka mu cast

[@AbsolutelyStupidGoofball]

BABE WAKE UP!!!!! NEW TANK ENCYCLCOPEDIA VIDEO DROPPED!!!!

[@andrewphillips8341]

"Can't convince Bovington to loan you theirs?" Caller: "Oh common guys, please! I be careful"

[@flitsertheo]

I assume the Bovington Tiger wasn't in running condition around 1970 as its original engine had been cut to pieces for display. It only got back to running condition in 2003 after a new engine had been installed.

[@buckstarchaser2376]

10:05 I haven't previously seen something that suggestive outside of a cartoon.

[@MrNeil-qs5fo]

Bovington Tiger is being retired very soon due to cracks in its frame so will only end up being a static display! Hopefully it get a few more movie appearances .

[@zamecksaryja]

"Hanz! Ze Tiger ist KAPUT!!"

[@ThreeOaks79]

​@@zamecksaryja a konigstige from der furrersondesug😂

[@judgedeath3]

I doubt it, bovington tank museum was displeased with the strain and the things they required it to do that pushed parts too hard and said they would never let it do this again.

[@dirkmahlberg9612]

The Australian Armour & Artillery Museum work on a Tiger 1. Here on You Tube

[@truereaper4572]

Where have you heard this from? I looked it up and haven't been able to find anything about it.

[@tasman006]

Kellys Heroes was one of my favourite war movies growing up. One of the main reasons was the tanks. But the main reason was the historical accuracy over other Hollywood war movies. Maybe you could also do a vid on them.

[@lyndoncmp5751]

Although never could work out what Tigers were doing in the Lorraine near Nancy. There were none anywhere near the Lorraine.

[@fazole]

@@lyndoncmp5751 Not "officially" but they were protecting tons of gold in the story, so it is plausible.

[@lyndoncmp5751]

@@fazole Hehe, well no because all the Tigers were sent to Normandy and the few that escaped Normandy headed towards the Belgian border, not the Lorraine. The Tigers in the Lorraine in Kelly's Heroes were so far out of the way 😁.

[@richardarcher7177]

@@lyndoncmp5751 TBH it was probably easier to mock up a Tiger on a T-34/85 hull than try and recreate a Panther or Panzer IV - besides in the 1960s the Tiger had the reputation, heck it still does - just watch Fury. The presence of the three Tigers in the village adds to the odds against the gang and makes their achievement all the greater. In all honesty if they were escorting the lorries carrying the gold from the bank they'd more likely assign Sd.Kfz 234s as escort - faster on the roads the trucks would be using anc carried a 7.5cm main gun making them a lethal proposition even for Oddballs Shermans but doesn't have the same impact as a Tiger in the public consciousness.

[@lyndoncmp5751]

@@richardarcher7177 Haha yes I totally get the reason why they chose Tigers. Just pointing out it wouldn't have happened. Then again nor would riding off in a truck full of gold. How on earth would they have gotten away with that 😂 I love the film though.

[@joeharris3878]

When I saw Kelly's Heroes in 1970 , I was amazed to see an actual tiger tank. After seeing so many ww2 movies and tv using postwar us army medium and heavy tanks painted Grey with a black crosses for German tanks In every show, it was certainly surprising. It wasn't until the world wide web and youtube that I found out about the Yugoslavic movie and learned. I always thought they were 1940s tiger tanks.

[@gajtrifkovic5299]

13:13 This scene is a dramatization of a real event that took place on 13 June 1943 near the village of Ocrkavlje (16 km W Foča), Bosnia and Herzegovina. Heavy Weapons Company of the 2nd Proletarian Brigade (Yugoslav Partisans) acted against orders to bury or destroy all cannon and saved one 37 mm AT gun and 5 shells. When a column of "Panzergruppe Sterr" appeared from the direction of Foča, the gunners waited until the tanks stopped at a destroyed bridge and then opened fire. According to the message sent by German Major Poche to HQ of 118th Jaeger Division, one tank was rendered immobile by enemy fire, while the other was put out of commission due to engine damage.

[@atanasijesimic4651]

cool tidbit

[@okiljognjen]

"Kelly's Heroes" my all time favourite war movie !!! since i was a kid until today, and soundtrack song , epic :)

[@jlvfr]

"Kelly's" has better tank fight scenes than Fury...

[@davvvvo]

14:55 i seem to recall that Clint said they received unmodified T-34-85's.

[@staticaleel5068]

Honestly the fact all these convincing tiger mock ups from Kelly’s heroes and saving private Ryan being T-34’s just amazes me. The prop work that went to tricking me into thinking a T-34 is a proper tiger is nothing short of impressive. 100 times better than Patton did it.

[@LeveretteJamesClifford1955]

I saw Kelly's Heros when it came out in 1970 and using my memory from when I was a young boy building a 1/76 scale Tiger, I thought the ones in the movie were real! And when I became a serious 1/35 armor builder and knew the difference, I compared the ones made for Saving Private Ryan and the ones from Kelly's Heros and found the Kelly's Heroes much more solid and scary looking. By the way, in Fury, while the real Tiger was used, a partial wooden mock up was made for the scene where Fury shoots holes in the Tiger's rear. That was much better than doing fantastic digital imaging. That wooden mock up was purchased by Australians for their tank museum and great effort was made to turn it into an almost perfect wooden replica, to sit by their real Tiger. And, a number of Russian tank enthusiasts who were also mechanics, made an all aluminum Tiger that was drivable for the Movie The White Tank (White Tiger?) but before it could be brought to film, it developed problems and could not be used. Not to be deterred, the builders made repairs and solved the problems and they applied zimmerit and made it appear completely real even to someone stating next to it, unless they tapped it. The the sound gave it away!

[@Bayan1905]

The Tiger mock ups were sure better than the repainted American tanks in Patton and Battle of the Bulge.

[@nickmitsialis]

the irony being that Spain HAD actual German armor (Pz mk IVs, Stgs, halftracks) in their army but got rid of it just before those films were made because they got US tanks to replace them. This was before there were 'collectors' willing to buy and restore authentic historical vehicles.

[@nickmitsialis]

And the best 'looking' mock up job I ever saw in a movie was the M41 Walker Bulldog. In the movie, "Is Paris Burning", they were made up to look like Panther tanks. They looked pretty good but they were so fast and 'springy' that it was obvious they were considerably lighter (23 tons) than the Panther (45 ++ tons)

[@juliusdream2683]

They had to do what they had to do. Good job.

[@garfieldsmith332]

Give the Yugoslavian producers credit for doing a great job making the T-34s resemble Tiger Is. When I saw the film I thought they were real Tigers as I new the basic shape of the tank. I did not know about the suspension until later and realized they were mockups. Better than using American tanks in the "Bulge" movie or trying to pass of a Sherman painted grey and with a Swastika as a Panther.

[@vracarac2120]

The Kastle keep (1969) is also filmed in Yugoslavia with same tank "Tiger" prop.

[@codebasher1]

Being the best movie of all time, it was a sheer joy to see the superb beautiful effort put into making these Tigers. Even as a child at the time it was wonderful to finally see a WW2 movie that had German tanks that actually looked like German tanks as it was so rare..

[@dependablepaul]

Nice presentation! Thank you. I worked as part of the tank crews on Courage Under Fire. We used surplus Australian Centurion Tanks with a lot of welded steel plate to make our Abrams tanks. They looked pretty good, most visible difference was the Centurion has one less road wheel. The tanks were later used on the film Mars Attacks. Another interesting fact is when Denzel Washington is talking to Matt Damon at the base swimming pool is that the tanks in the background shot are painted full size profiles of the Abrams made out of plywood with a man standing on a ladder behind the plywood so his upper torso looks like he is standing in the commander's hatch. Those scenes were filmed outside of Austin Texas and it was cheaper and easier to make the profile fake plywood tanks than to transport the modified Centurions from El Paso where we filmed the battle scenes.

[@blackplatypus6755]

I remember a magazine article in the 80's here in Australia that some millionaire bought about 80 ex army centurions that were to be scrapped and was selling them for about AUD$8,000 each, - I can still see the picture of rows of them in my head on his property - I remember I wish I had $8000 - I also Iremember hearing that a few of those centurions ended up in the hands of movie makers., I wonder if they are the same Centurions?

[@dependablepaul]

@@blackplatypus6755 can't remember the name of the Australian company that sold the tanks to Fox 2000 but they bought 13 and the owner of the company along with two of his employees came with the tanks to teach us how to run and maintain them for the full length of the production. Their aim was to keep at least 9 up and running until filming was over. We only had two crap out due to blown clutches.

[@blackplatypus6755]

@@dependablepaul It must be the from the same group of centurions - must've been fun to work with tanks without having to be in the military, at the same time, also thanks alot on the info about the fake tanks on mars attacks,.

[@matthewcuratolo3719]

Wow man, so many positive waves! Maybe we can’t lose! You’re on!

[@Stefan-xu5nd]

Thanks for covering our country yet again!

[@sunrayuk]

I always liked the American Halftracks which were done up to look like German halftracks you see them a couple of times in kellys heroes but only in the back ground

[@rumblehat4357]

They did that nonsense in Rat Patrol. Ugh.

[@garycamp3389]

Kelly's Heros is my favorite movie of all time!!! I am avid historian.. those 2 tigers were really close. Nice job they did.😮😮😮

[@sirdarklust]

That was interesting. I always thought the Yugoslav and Soviet Tiger mock-us were "good enough" to not make me laugh and keep things "real," unlike the German Pershings in the terrible Battle of the Bulge. Yeah, nothing like Pershings vs. Chaffees in the Belgian desert... Take care.

[@bv2623]

They were not Pershings but Pattons if I recall correctly. But yeah, being Belgian myself, I was wondering were this Ardennes desert was when I watched Battle of the Bulge for the first time... though there is a small piece of "desert" in Belgium. It's close to the Dutch border and is called "lommelse Sahara" ;)

[@rogersmith7396]

I recently rewatched Battle of the Bulge. It was not as bad as I remembered. Shaw and Sevalis were kind of crazy.

[@sirdarklust]

@@rogersmith7396 Yes, Shaw, his sidekick, Savales were good. However, the movie is overall just too absurd.

[@rogersmith7396]

@@sirdarklust Well its actually pretty true to the events and to small unit combat. Charlie Bronson is in it. Probably makes more sense then Patton.

[@nicktrueman224]

Yeah those were a eyrsore to anyone familiar to German armour. I thought Kelly's Heroes did a great job during a period in which most movies didn't even try to make a realistic tiger amongst other vehicles.

[@andreimorar5249]

Great video! I'd love to see more videos of this kind covering what other counties of the former Eastern Bloc did in order to create their own German tank props for war films (like in Poland, Romania, the USSR etc). Each of them seemed to have come with their own...soldutions în addressing the issue

[@TellySavalas-or5hf]

And in "The night of the generals" (1967) this conversion tank was also present.

[@robertmorton38]

If you look closely, the mocked-up Tiger tanks are actually put together on the hull of the British Comet tank... Just sayin'.

[@sebbonxxsebbon6824]

I say Hollywood should manufacture some Tiger tanks for movies.

[@jollyjohnthepirate3168]

Always with the negative waves Moriarty. Always with the negative waves this early in the morning.

[@rumblehat4357]

“Why don’t you say something positive once in a while?” “Crap.”

[@CarbonatedLithium]

I've seen Kelly's Heroes a number of times, and I'm pretty sure I remember Oddball saying that they put some piping on the barrel in order for the Germans to think that they are sporting a much higher caliber gun. So, that 'explains' the Sherman having a bigger gun than usual in the movie.

[@rogersmith7396]

He was trying to make them think it was a 90 mm or 3 inch which would appear on Pershing. The 76 was considered very good as the TDs had them and in fact the 75 mm was'nt bad. It had a higher explosive round than the 76. Of course the 17 pounder could take care of any other tank.

[@sergeantmarcusstackerM1903]

Ironic Germans often targeted allied tanks with the big guns more often than not

[@gordoncordon9779]

Thank you for saying JNA instead of YPA, also nice how you did some pronunciations correctly

[@louismendoza-y9l]

It was always fun to see this vismod Tigers in a movie.

[@josephwolosz2522]

Kelly's Heroes was probably the best Tiger with the exception of Saving Private Ryan. You can tell with the Turret placement and shape. Plus the Wheels and tracks look different. But still effective effects. Knock it off with them negative waves!

[@Graham-ce2yk]

Thank's for covering this, Kelly's Heroes has long been a family favorite and I've found rememberances of the film all over the internet and the gaming community... Will we see this as a full article?

[@AnthonyGenualdi]

My all time favorite movie. Thanks for sharing.

[@davidnicholas7516]

I can remember being a kid and hearing about "Kelly's Heroes" when it came out. It was pretty much standard at the time that if they told you the tank was a Tiger, it'd be a Sherman with a German cross painted on the side of it. This was the case in "The Big Red One" for example. However, when I saw "Kelly's Heroes" it did look a lot more like a Tiger than in previous movies. The position of the turret looked wrong to me: it's too far forward proportionally to the rest of the tank. On the Tiger the turret sits essentially in the middle of the hull; with both the T-34/76 and the T-34/85, the turret is further forward on the hull, which is longer relative to the width of the vehicle. Anyway some years later a friend told me that if you looked closely at the suspension you could tell it was a T-34/85 with a lot of stuff built onto it: the Tiger's suspension was very unusual, being only used on it and the Panther. Everyone else took a look at the design and said, "Typical Germans. Slightly more efficient, but way more moving parts and hell to fix."

[@RichardDCook]

Yes the turret location is the big giveaway. Did anyone ever go to the expense of moving a T34 turret back? If it's even possible.

[@JamesLaserpimpWalsh]

They looked alright from head on. It was quite easy to tell from the side tho. Cheers.

[@johnelliott7375]

Quite clever and the budget comparison to others is adequate but small. Great video and good afternoon and day to you all,God bless.

[@davidmccann9811]

I always enjoyed seeing the M-47's portraying King Tigers in the 1960s 'Battle of the Bulge' movie.

[@stevew6138]

I must admit, when Kelly's came out, I was a young teen and the "Tiger's" fooled me.

[@milosvojinovic5710]

Hey Hey Hey! Big mistake at the end of video! In Kelly's heroes, Donald at the beginning of introduction with Clint Eastwood is saying that his tanks are "modified" to resemble 76mm, but they are in general ordinary 75mm guns. He says that his crew did it in order to make Germans fear them more. So at least, here, we have justification for having Sherman with old turet and 76mm gun

[@VIC-20]

Clint, is the correct spelling

[@milosvojinovic5710]

​@@VIC-20 yes. That's right. I will correct it..

[@Condottiere1978]

Excellent documentary, l was waiting for this one for ages

[@waynescarpaci5332]

Going from memory I think the 'Tigers' used in Kelly's Heroes were conversions of US M107/M110 SP artillery piece chassis'.

[@RichFoster-zk3jo]

The amount of detail on the commander's cupola and hatch (early production version) of the Kelly's Heroes "Tigers" is astounding. Compare them to photos of the real thing and videos of "Tiger 131" in The Tank Museum. I wonder why they went to so much effort.

[@dasboot5903]

A two Polish "TIGER" mock-up tanks, they were adopted from T-34/85 soviet era tanks, for the purpose of filming Polish TV series called: "KOLUMBOWIE" at the part #4 called: "Oto dziś" [Here it's today] @16:16, which was based on the author Roman Bratny famous book: "KOLUMBOWIE - rocznik 20-ty". kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGnbpJmJbd-HhdU The story itself it was all about the Polish Underground National Army (Armia Krajowa = AK) fighting with German Wehrmacht in the ruins of Warsaw, during the Warsaw's Uprising in the summer of the 1944. Filmed was made during the summer of 1970. It was part number 4. Those "TIGERS" were attacking Polish barricade, pushing in a front of their armour the large group of civilians .... to provoke Polish fighters to give up their fight and position of their stronghold !! Those scenes were filmed in Warsaw in the Old Praga District, on the Mala Street. During the brakes in filming .... I was jumping on the painted plywood, which was put on the top of the real armour of T-34 tanks.

[@Magpul_Germany]

Would love to see the Merkava and Namer variants on Tank Encyclopedia!!!

[@diegodicastelletto]

in Saving Private Rayn the Tigers are the same models used in Kelly's Heroes

[@robertgraves2321]

"When we go into battle, we like to play music, very loud! It kind of calms us down...."

[@guykurtz422]

gotta luv a plywood tank !

[@paulwee1924dus]

Aah I also spotted this converted T-34/85 in the war movie "The Uprising" from 2001. And I saw T-34s without Tiger make-up in "The night of the fox" (1990) and "Force 10 from Navarone (1978).

[@TellySavalas-or5hf]

Oh yes! George Peppard played Standartenfuehrer Vogel in "The night of the fox"

[@RichardDCook]

Nowadays with CGI they could use any tank, painted a solid colour with reference dots at critical points, and CGI any tank they wanted over it.

[@nanab256]

15:35 like they said in the movie-this is fake barrel only make it looks like firefly

[@aleksazunjic9672]

Germans actually did use StuG III and even Pzkw IV in Yugoslavia, but later in the war (1944) . Some of them were captured and pressed into Yugoslav service after the war, but only for the short time (early 1950s) . Yugoslav partisans did have various anti-tank guns, m0stly captured Italian 47mm, German 3.7 and 5.0 cm. but there were also Soviet 45mm, British 6pdr etc ... Allied guns came mostly from 1944 onwards when partisans gradually transformed into regular army .

[@robertfogelberg7538]

Nice video and niece tank Spielberg did the same in save private Ryab seam a bit shorter than a real tigre

[@dondemers7439]

I love the video !!! I actually made a 1/35th scale kitbashed model of the Kelly's Heroes Tiger-34.

[@rogersmith7396]

They fooled me in Kellys. The other movies not so much.

[@kenmazoch8499]

until the t-54/55 mock-ups from saving private ryan and other recent films, the yugoslav ones from kelly's heroes were the best. and kudos for mentioning that at close range, the 76mm sherman could take out a tiger.

[@SuperErikRoss]

Yea definitely raised the bar

[@slobodanmitic1354]

Most part of the video is about yugoslav partisan movie Neretva, however many "viewers" talk only about the Kelly's Heroes part. I love the movie, but did you even watch the video at all, or just commenting about the title screen?

[@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044]

One scraps the one's not destroyed at the end of WW2 only to find decades later that there aren't any availabile to go into action on a film set

[@rogersmith7396]

And are worth millions to collectors. 50,000 Shermans, 60,000 T 34s.

[@massafelipe8063]

I hear "Neretva march" I click like.

[@kodama44]

considering when it was built, and the budget they had, this is the best T34 Tiger ever made. Those who shot this movie seem to have really cared to make it look good ; not only the feature of the tank itself, but also how to shoot them(angles, composition etc.etc.). (Actually they had 3 Tigers, I remember) Private Ryan Tiger had to be better considering the date of production… or am I too asking?)

[@Strelo]

One of the Shermans used in Kelly's Heroes still exists and is standing in front of one of the museums in Novi Sad. I don't know what the fate of the other Shermans is, but I've seem a couple Shermans around the country. Don't know if those were the exact ones used in the movie, though.

[@dragankostic9253]

Na poligonu na Manjaci nekada kasarna Dobrnja kod Banja Luke tamo je bilo groblje starih Sermana, Patona i kamioni Jems, sluzili su kao mete za gadjanje a zatim rezani u staro gvozdje.... zalosno, mada su ih imali pojedine kasarne kao eksponte....

[@eltenda]

Very interesting video and subject!

[@leeroyloke8415]

Tankova Brigada (1955) - "Tank Brigade" Czechoslovak film: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZeUm4BnrZ2Eprc Considering the time this film was made and the fact it's a Czechoslovak film, I think the German vehicles and tanks shown in the film could be authentic WW2 German vehicles, including the Panzer IVs and assault guns.

[@bobkohl6779]

Just look at the road wheels, always the tell tale

[@lyndoncmp5751]

I love Kelly's Heroes. It's my absolute favourite war film, but I always wondered what Tigers were doing in the Lorraine. None were ever there. Even those very few Tigers that escaped Normandy were far to the north, nearer to the Belgian border. North of Reims, near Saint Quentin and Marle. Also the 'Leibstandarte' (ie Schwere SS Panzer Abteilung 101) Tigers in France never had red turret numerals on the 1st Kompanie tanks and none had the old style dustbin like commanders cupola and Feifel air pre cleaners. Well just saying. Good effort in Kelly's Heroes regardless 👍

[@CarbonatedLithium]

The SS man in the movie was from the 1SS as shown by the Key symbol on the Tiger. We can only imagine that they were on special assignment to guard the gold. Of course, the incident never happened, so it's easy to pretend that Tigers were in Lorraine for the purposes of thwarting Oddball and company!

[@lyndoncmp5751]

@@CarbonatedLithium Well, as I said, the Leibstandarte (1st SS) Tiger company personnel in spring 1944 and some even before, (Kelly's Heroes takes place early September) were reformed into Schwere SS Panzer Abteilung 101. 1st SS lost its organic Tiger company in 1944 and instead an independent Tiger battalion, SS101, was formed out of its personnel such as the well known Michael Wittmann etc. It was technically under SS Panzerkorps command and no longer organic to 1st SS, although it kept it's Leibstandarte 'key' symbol. All the SS101 Tigers were sent to Normandy. They were all lost in Normandy or on the retreat soon afterwards so I can't even "imagine" a scenario where three SS101 01 Tigers were in the Lorraine. Love the movie though. It's still very enjoyable. 👍

[@darkovidic6885]

Similar tigers were shown in the Soviet film series Liberation

[@SamuraiAkechi]

Cool. How about other SocBloc Tigers, like from Liberation, Czterej Pancerni i Pies, Night of the Generals?

[@davey7452]

Another movie with T34/Tigers is a Night of the generals staring Peter O tool in 1967 scene involving destruction of a Warsaw.

[@Willysmb44]

When I was a kid, I remember some adults at a hobby shop getting into a heated argument over if those tanks in Kelly's Heroes were original German Mark VIs or not

[@ihatecabbage7270]

I mean, the T-34 did a great job and started the trend of using cheap surplus as replicas for movie prop. Even a tank enthusiast knows the limitation, of having highly accurate mockups, is a appreciation of efforts to make it look like the real thing or the very least tried, compared to the "I don't care' attitude and straight up using Pershing tanks as German tanks without any changes, a simple slap of the German cross, YEAH GOOD ENOUGH!!!

[@flitsertheo]

The irony is that all the effort to change a T-34 into a Tiger wasn't actually necessary. The Germans used captured Russian vehicles including the T-34 in areas where these would not be mistaken for enemy tanks such as Yugoslavia. All they needed to do for the movies was repaint these T-34s in German camo colours (not grey), add numbers and Balkenkreuze and maybe as a final touch a text indicating which unit captured this "Beutefahrzeug".

[@davidbrennan660]

The JNA had a lot of German military equipment to destroy.

[@PeoplecallmeLucifer]

well yes, they didn't have parts to repair it so ... let's use it for one last show

[@agrameroldoctane_66]

No, almost nothing. Except helmets and small arms.

[@aleksazunjic9672]

Very few things were actually German. Some FlaK guns, helmets and that is about it. Rifles were Yugoslav made licensed Mausers, as were MG-42s (Zastava M53).

[@jeffleach2668]

I’m really happy that they’re at least making an effort to have German tanks look like German tanks. Still haven’t gotten over the movie makers using Patton tanks for the German tanks in a movie about Patton the man with George C. Scott. I think that was the one. My friend, who I spent hours and hours building model tanks together as kids, actually did his thesis in college on that movie and this issue. I guess it scarred us.😂. He said his professor didn’t really get it.😔. In our late 50’ he said he was happy that Saving Private Ryan used real German Tigers unlike the old days. Had to break it to him that if you looked closely that the wheels weren’t right for a real Tiger. On a positive note I told him to watch Fury if he wanted to get a look at the only running Tiger left in the world in a movie…….at that moment. Hopefully there will be more someday…….

[@cpl.yuminagumo6754]

Will there be more videos like these? 👀

[@plasmadrone3123]

YEEESS!! :D :D Please more of movie prop vehicles, even the one that are not converted :D :D P.S.: 08:56 - 09:18 I don't think it's "Kelly's Heroes". What is the title of that movie? O__O

[@atanasijesimic4651]

Sutjetska ( 1973 )

[@garyneilson1833]

I think the tiger mockup from Saving Private Ryan is still on display at IWM Duxford land warfare hall

[@raymondyee2008]

Damn interesting.

[@akizeta]

Diegetically, Oddball's Shermans actually used a short-barrelled gun; Oddball put a length of pipe on the guns so that they'd look like the long-barrelled weapons. Exegetically, I have no idea which Shermans were used in filming the movie.

[@rogersmith7396]

Oddballs tank was a 76 mm. The others were 75mm.

[@akizeta]

@@rogersmith7396 Is that so? It's been a while since I saw the film last; I only recalled the extensions.

[@rogersmith7396]

@@akizeta He wanted them to think he had the 90 mm of the Jackson or Pershing.

[@marcelgalban9088]

very good video coongratulations

[@billevans7936]

Would take 200 trucks haul all that gold...but still....its a movie

[@LeveretteJamesClifford1955]

A more believable fake Tiger has been made by someone in the USA. They figured out a way to take the whole hull and turn it around so that there is more space up front allowing for the driver and radio operator's hatches to be in the right place, then they also replaced the tension drive wheels with a sprockets. I suppose this also necessitated new tracks and they are certainly not the tracks from the Russian tanks. Of course, that I am writing is based on some authoritative-sounding post on a forum, but I have seen a video of the tank rolling over the countryside in Kentucky as well as it being in the movie Come Out Fighting. It is possibly more accurate to say that this was made from the ground up, as I have seen a video about a fake Panzer 4 that was made from ground up to be rented to movie companies. It was also made easy to break into half for easy transportation.

[@oliverpetroski4205]

The Shermans from the "Kelly's Heroes" are now in a museum in Serbia, painted with hippie colours.

[@havareriksen1004]

in all fairness, using T-34s painted gray and with german Balkenkreuz in movies to act like german tanks isn't that far fetched. The Wehrmacht did indeed use many captured tanks, and they used a german modification of the T-34, named T-34 747(r). They were used all across on the Eastern front it seems the germans used primeraly light tanks in the role of fighting partisans.

[@notmenotme614]

99% of movie watchers are not tank fans or hobbyists. Therefore every tank looks the same to them. They wouldn’t know the difference between a M47 Patton and a Tiger Ausf.B. Or that the panzer VI Tiger Ausf. E had overlapping and interleaved road wheels. So there’s no need for the film producers to make the tanks look historically accurate if most movie watchers wouldn’t know or even care.

[@karlbraun5382]

Yes "such positive waves" The best war film by far.....except obviously having no real Tigers at hand the film had to make do with a mock up. another line I loved was referring to the Tiger tank in Yank hands "its a piece of junk....leaking fuel everywhere"

[@FurryCruz]

The Chaffes I think it is in Patton makes me ill everytime I see that movie. The T34/76 was captured and used by the Germans but with history we can follow exactly where they was used.

[@youtrubadur]

The funny thing is that historical films are not reconstructions of a period of history but the imagination of that period, so why would tanks be their own "original replica"?

[@zamecksaryja]

The reason as to why the tiger tank is not on hire, the parts are discontinued. If it breaks... It's... "Hanz, ze Tiger ist KAPUT".

[@dustyak79]

I've always wondered where the Mosin sniper rifle came from in Kelly's Heroes. Its probably something the Yugoslavians had on hand but then again they had Plenty of home grown and surplus Mauser based snipers during the filming. might re watch it to see what else i can pick u on.

[@rogersmith7396]

I've always assumed it was a regulation 1903 Springfield.

[@dustyak79]

@@rogersmith7396 Its been awhile since I've seen that scene but looked it up again its a a Mosin M91/30. Now I wonder how they got the M1 carbine and Garand maybe rented them from Greece the Thompson I believe was a lend lease item during the war but not those.

[@petimaj]

@@dustyak79 They could have been left overs from military mission during the war or from military aid after like Pattons, Jacksons, GMCs, Jeeps, T-33s, F.84, F86s.. Some Thompsons were in fact bought before ww2 but in small numbers for Chetnic special forces of Yugoslav royal army (not the same Chetnics as during the war). General Novljan, the commander of Slovenian NOV (Partisan) IXth Corps was actually presented with M1 by US mission to the Corps...

[@ssekir75]

​@@dustyak79 Thompson was in Yugoslavian Army until 1974. Came to Yugoslavia in 1951 during MDAP, i forgot precise number. Yugoslavia also had Browning.30, M2 .50, and tons of other American weapons.

[@dustyak79]

@@petimaj lend lease records only shows 7 m1 carbines given to the Russians. Anything given Shortly After the war still would of been considered lend lease. Can’t remember what number if any Garands got sent that way. Left overs from the war? Yugoslavia did obviously get tanks and other vehicles but I hadn’t seen a listing of either of the m1 rifles

[@polishcosmonaut6324]

4:44 thats true

[@ALPINA527]

I have seen and touched TIGER 131 @ Bovingdon tank museum a couple of years before they restored the running gear and made a Frankenstein maybach engine out of numerous spare parts.

[@SabastianMoran]

August 12, 2024 - As a big fan of the film "Kelly's Heroes" ( I have several copies of the film on DVD and on thumb drive), and as an avid Military history student. I have to admit that I am embarrassed by the fact that I believed the "Tiger" tanks were the originals in the film, and not mock ups. I have a number of books with great tank illustrations and photos. I owe a gentleman who posted on a forum that the tanks were mockups, and I contradicted him saying they were obviously real Tigers. He never replied and he probably rightly put me down as being "uninformed" and possibly an idiot. Apologies to him wherever he is.😊