Has Viral killed Corrosive? | Warframe

[@XanKreigor]

Remember when Corrosive was simply the best dmg type because it was the only armor shred we had before Slash procs got buffed?

[@FrogOnAHorse]

Slash procs must've been buffed before I started playing in 2015 then, because they only got nerfed to not ignore shields.

[@Aeririn]

@@FrogOnAHorse wasn't so much a nerf more as specializing. They made it so that slash was to armour as toxin was to shields. It was seen as too over-powered to completely ignore shields with no only toxin but also slash. So they buffed slash to act like toxin to armour instead where it does true dmg ignoring armour dmg red

[@stuff4812]

@@Aeririn slash already ignored armor before that. the only thing that changed with slash is that viral got buffed to the sky. slash was only nerfed to not bypass shields, there was no direct buff to slash

[@-into-the-void-]

​@@Aeririn I also suspect that one of the big reasons why they made this change was because of new players receiving slash procs from nearly every enemy in the game. Taking damage that bypasses your only source of regenerating HP was really annoying without any reliable healing sources, which are few and far between when starting out.

[@thereprehensible435]

Or heat stripping armor. Or viral just outright boosting damage by absurd amounts. ...Yeah, Corrosive went from god-tier proc to shit-tier.

[@arc_whale5017]

"Corrosive is more than a status proc... It's a way of life."

[@NeroWolf42]

an outdated way of life, but a way of life it is

[@alexanderkevwitch5801]

Corrosive gang for life were like volt mains we stay with it cuz its are life choices.

[@TheArcSet]

@@alexanderkevwitch5801 Ah, one of Layzar's disciples I see ;) . Maybe one day he'll read the comments/wiki and stop telling new players that Deimos enemies are immune to viral (though the 4 apex enemies/mechs that were, have now grown to 6).

[@Gamer12666]

​@@TheArcSet true, though many, MANY players still believe they're immune even to this day. To the point that any google search leads to dozens of reddit posts about how Viral is useless because everything is immune and that Corrosive/Heat is the only way to go. Leyzar isn't the only one who's got it wrong since it changed, but most of the community. Pretty sure there's a (most likely outdated by now) video from Kengineer that says the same thing.

[@jaezi5982]

"There is really no reason to use corrosive against the corpus" **Inserts clip using corrosive against the corpus**

[@rah113]

Agreed it doesn't work

[@BigWickEnergy_]

At the level enemies most of you guys play.. modding overall is mostly irrelevant. Let’s be honest here

[@jaezi5982]

@@BigWickEnergy_ True. Idk much tbh, I just play conclave, lunaro and the occasional tricap

[@cooldude7255]

@@rah113 my shedu max modded out begs to differ, corrosive fire damage does still decent to corpus

[@rah113]

@@cooldude7255 na it doesn't but ok

[@HernanC226]

meanwhile gas, magnetic, blast, inpact *crying in a corner

[@mentlegen3887]

Magnetic should be able to nullify enemies! Or at least pull them towards each other. Blast should do an actual explosion in a small area that does damage proportional to the enemies health. But nah, I’m sure DE should just leave these status procs and not do anything interesting with them :(

[@izzuddinmnasir4884]

me slaps [condition overload] mod: You are all hired

[@felix_patriot]

@@mentlegen3887 i would REALLY love to see magnetic pulling enemies together! thats an awesome idea!

[@S0L1nv1ctus]

Magnetic should nullify nullifiers that would be good.

[@nyft3352]

gas is almost as good as toxin as a status specially if you are grouping enemies and using breach surge on your warframe, but be advised, the amount of particles can either blind you or burn your PC so be sure you have low effects settings or you dont have a toaster for a PC if you want to try it. (also, pair with volt's discharge for added particle shitshow).

[@elyeneralv5249]

so this is why saryn deals highest dmg because she uses both corrosive and viral procs on her abilities

[@imhotep9006]

What about Lavos?

[@Megalomaniakaal]

@@imhotep9006 Yes

[@gramfero]

@@imhotep9006 what about chroma 2?

[@ziadgaser2012]

corrosive on her spores + viral on her ult iirc?

[@imhotep9006]

@@ziadgaser2012 Spores are toxine i think.

[@steampunknord]

The irony of Viral proc getting a buff in 2020.

[@marvelleonline]

best comment

[@dog6769]

If only math teachers were so good

[@magic_cfw]

granted, not teaching the math, but definitly good at introducing mathematical ideas. Maybe math teachers should be gamers (i.e. explaining harder math using game contexts, rather than just the worked solution in textbooks)?

[@SamuelAlder]

INDEED! Makes maths interesting

[@dexei3150]

@@magic_cfw Similar how Tierzoo explains biology in the context of the game "outside" and says "clans" or "factions" instead of species!

[@francescoragnoni8042]

Well,KZbinrs get paid depending from how many people like them

[@raids0166]

Learned quite a few things from this excellent video. Now I understand why I struggle with infested demolisher. Well done and keep up the great work !

[@Terrantular]

Also you deal massive damage if you target their shoulders whenever they open to fire projectiles at you.

[@overlordtrazyn861]

ok so.. multiple points. first: jesus christ, thats a voice second: nice work on the video, i know how much work can go into that third: take my like and my follow

[@Squidoinkoo]

Honestly though. As I was listening, I was like "wait, isn't he that caretaker of the Leverian?"

[@contingenc3548]

@@Squidoinkoo *Curiosity [umbral] INTENSIFIES*

[@travislong2176]

I think his dad may be David attenbourough

[@Terrantular]

Halfway through I forgot that I wasn't listening to Kurzgesagt In a Nutshell

[@notDinsss]

I've been binge watching your content for two reasons: 1. A fresh perspective on Warframe (coming back to the grind from almost 2 years of not playing) 2. Well structured content that prefaces the question, lays facts, and answers follow-up questions as the viewer thinks of them Thank you for this type of content. This is a well thought-out approach to practical problems and helps a lot with understanding key concepts. Even the boiled down version at the end, it's like a solid chunk of pure gold after refining everything.

[@Trevurie]

Viral = general purpose Corrosive = specific types.

[@terciofelipeoliveirafrance2228]

Corrosive = grineer

[@uncoveredkhan09gaming38]

@@terciofelipeoliveirafrance2228 if you watched the video you'd know that wasn't true

[@ShinoMachino]

Started Warframe back in 2014 and have been playing on and off for the last several years. Last time I played Warframe for a long period of time, Corrosive was just the go to thing for everything so my knowledge is super outdated LOL. This video and the overview of all the elements video have been such a great help. Really, I've been watching a lot of your videos lately so thank you for making in-depth videos on all these topics. It has helped me out a lot as a returning player.

[@meliodassama9715]

Surprising how viral heat combo isn't even mentioned once in this video. Viral slash is the got to but not all weapons proc slash reliably so heat is a substitute to reduce 50% of armor with a single proc.

[@azuresea7183]

You forgot heat also does tik damage per sec as long as heat proc. Is active.🤨🤔🧐

[@ForestX77]

Well reasons might be is that heat doesn’t bypass armor like slash does and primary weapons do have hunter munitions completely removing the need for high slash and statues if none at all. But wanna be stupid go viral, slash, and heat. It’s just crazy stupid how powerful those 3 are together.

[@superslash7254]

@@ForestX77 Got a 200% primary crit chance invig on trinity. Overall 85% crit chance makes the ignis wraith set up with viral and hunter munitions just stupid. Ofc 250% damage on a kuva nukor secondary is even more comically overpowered.

[@TheTattorack]

Viral Ignis Wraith let's go! :D

[@lucidairity7927]

I love my baza prime I run viral and damage on a rivin I got so I can run viral at all times I get radiation corrosive viral blast all sorts of mixes of the 2 and my viral heat with hunter munitions literally slays say hard it's not even okay at all

[@MagikarpMan]

This is why I like the phage, one of the few weapons that can apply viral, corrosive and heat for insane debuffs

[@yeageri4168]

Got a riven for it if you want 4 free

[@MagikarpMan]

@@yeageri4168 u on PS4?

[@Terrantular]

But muh slash :(

[@Avoncarstien]

There's a few more now as well. For melee you have the Pathocyst, which is surprisingly not bad with how glaives work now, if you've a riven for it; the Plague Zaw's, Pulmonars and Keratinos for viral, and the Caustacyst for corrosive. For secondaries, there's the Kompressa for viral which has innate multishot and decent status to start with, and then the Tysis, and the Catabolyst, which is quite a nasty weapon... (and technically the Stug, but...) And finally, primaries you have the Phage as mentioned, which is a status monster, but also the Synapse, which has exceptionally good critical stats, so can make for a nasty Corrosive/Viral/Munitions build. Also the Hema which I never really loved, but the Proboscis Cernos is positively ludicrous with it's viral explosion and the ability to tick multiple status effects on the tether prior the detonation. Hilariously good weapon, though I kinda wish it had innate viral instead of corrosive, so you could build corrosive to get max impact from the innate armor bypass after building up a bunch of viral on a tough target. Either way, still great. There's a lot of really fun weapons now that can lean into a mix of pretty crazy status effects.

[@feedarman4888]

@@Avoncarstien I’m late to the party but Grendel’s subsumable nourish exists for free viral procs for all weapons (not sure about melee actually) and energy regen.

[@RunicSea]

This is why I love weapons like the synapse and the scourge. Corrosive + Viral = pure destruction.

[@WispGraxx]

this is exactly why i think that the weapons with innate viral are becoming super OP. Since you only really need to proc viral once to be most efficient, by building corrosive and heat on a weapon that has innate viral damage you have godly results against any faction in the game pretty much. Great informative video!

[@yarugatyger1603]

ye but stacking status also gives diminishing returns...there is no reason to it.

[@WispGraxx]

@@yarugatyger1603 that is true but i have been using the komorex recently and its super underrated. The innate viral makes it a hell of a weapon. From testing against 160 level steel path factions, I really saw how big of a difference that innate viral proc does compared to other weapons that would normally deal more damage but they lack this small yet important feature. On the other side i think if u go for a slash build the innate viral wont matter at all

[@FiveN9ne]

Except that the proc ratio will make it very hard to proc viral at all unless you have very high fire rate, attack speed or a forced viral proc. Take the plague zaws for example. With just primed pressure point (or CO) and 2 elemental mods for corrosive you have almost 8x more corrosive damage than viral, which means on each status chance occurrence corrosive is 8x more likely to proc over viral. Even puncture proc will be higher since you have more puncture damage than innate viral.

[@Aeririn]

@@FiveN9ne that's why you use weeping wounds. Easy way to get over 300% status chance. Even if it's 8x more likely proc, if you proc 3+ status per hit then it balances out much more nicely. Especially so if using a CO build

[@FiveN9ne]

@@Aeririn Yea you can't get that much status, idk where you pulled that number from. Weeping wounds is 440% status chance at max combo. Even if your weapon has base 30% status you reach 160% status chance. And most weapons don't have even that much. Procing more status also means you will just proc more of the dominant element, not that it evens out somehow, that's not how probability works.

[@oneticks]

"*armor*" Me who play with abating link trinity: ok guess ill play viral

[@AstrumPrimus]

Viral and Corrosive: *Fight each other to decide who's the best* Meanwhile Gas: *Casually eat the snacks in the corner*

[@fredericoeusebio9770]

Been trying to explain this to a few of clanmates...

[@thomasixdays9523]

The only thing I do on warframe these days is dojo decorating.

[@Immortal_BP]

ikr, i started decorating my orbiter and its been... expensive. the decorations are pricey but small resulting in a nice looking room for a measly 1k plat

[@Sal-db6pw]

Lol

[@cameronmckillop6448]

My clan has this shtick of making creatures out of buddha statues. One seems to pop up every year or so (when they feel the need to log on)

[@g4md0r32]

Anything you enjoy in Warframe is a nice thing to do in it and that is why I love it too

[@KyleSage35]

I'm glad my frost avalanche build with viral/shock amprex still seems to work great after all this time.

[@bandofbrothers5860]

the mathematical approach to this deserves huge tons of appreciation! Brilliant content!!!

[@Lanaestra]

I think the change to heat, giving it some armor strip potential while being more easily stackable with viral, is also a major factor in corrosive falling behind. Plus heat excels in a lot of the situations where viral falls behind, as well.

[@Commandelicious]

I love the smell of armour strip in the morning. Smells like ... victory.

[@riedok8653]

I recently came back to Warframe from a 6-month break this was a nice update to info and confirmed what a few others were telling me, thx for the video.

[@Zickzii]

Thank you so much for putting this together. The damage types and status effects are hard to keep track of but this video makes it easy.

[@evana-h3153]

I combined both corrosive and viral on the phage a long time ago. This video explained to me why I melted kuva liches so easily.

[@SimonSomething]

Very good content my friend! I'm happy there are others like you that figure this stuff out because from just playing the game these things aren't obvious.

[@laszloneumann500]

One of the most useful and well structured videos out of the warframe youtuber community in a big while

[@mikecavazos7098]

Saryn overkills with those spores and viral is deadly. She's is the queen of carnage and I love it!!!

[@negan2714]

I've got over 100 days of play time and have ran at least 100 endurance runs and I've never know the math sides of the elements. I knew X is better for Y but this helps a lot. Thanks for making this.

[@eradicateyou8772]

That cheat sheet at 15:15 is perfect! Thank you for a clear guide n useful sheet ^^

[@oriondezagrats4228]

It's important to note that the relationship between Viral and Corrosive gets even more complicated once you add Heat to the mix. As Heat is straight up one of the most powerful elements, what with being an ever-increasing dot tick as well as stripping 50% of armour over one second following initial application, it benefits massively both from armour getting stripped, as well as the bonus damage multiplier from viral. It innately helps itself with its own armour strip functionality, but Corrosive only makes it more potent, while Heat also makes Corrosive more potent as well. Now, this might not mean a whole lot if a decent portion of your weapon's damage isn't purely corrosive, as is the case with a good deal of your standard loadout, but there's a small number of them. For example, if you're using Excalibur's Chromatic Blade augment and literally all of your damage is Corrosive/Heat, and you're looking at 10 procs of Corrosive status and 1 proc of Heat status, then *97.5%* of ferrite armour has vanished from Corrosive damage calculations. A level 180 Corrupted Heavy Gunner is basically tissue paper at that point, and is honestly likely to be dead long before you even apply all 10 stacks of corrosive. Obviously this is less effective against Alloy armour, but 90% armour stripping ain't too shabby regardless -- while viral/heat will kill bombards faster, corrosive/heat will kill heavy gunners WAY faster, and maybe it's just me but I feel like I see those more often, on top a corrosive/heat-centric Chromatic Blade outright one-or-two-shotting a bunch of ferrite-armoured mooks even at those levels. Some of the funkiest weapons, though, are those that have innate viral or corrosive already. Scourge, for example, is one of those weapons that can have Viral/Corrosive/Heat, one of the most devastating combos in the game for armoured enemies, and is patently hilarious as a result. Bubonico is in a similar camp with its alt-fire having innate viral.

[@BolarolaBoi]

Something else important to consider is the existence of Heat procs. I normally am able to fit three elemental mods onto weapons and by putting Heat on with Viral, it creates a pretty good combo. Heat procs reduce armor on the first stack and each stack deals damage over time, meaning that it acts as somewhat of a mini corrosive proc as well as adding some DoT. Heat procs therefore help Viral weapons get through armor while Viral procs amplify the damage of Heat procs. At this point, most of my weapons use this Viral + Heat combo and it works pretty well.

[@berongkun]

This is absolutely helpful, and is easy to understand! Props to you man.. thanks for making this!

[@matthewdemers7600]

More of these videos would be outstanding dude! This was actually really helpful

[@wuzzle5261]

This is exactly what I needed to see as a player returning after a few years. Very nice.

[@GenesiisDavid]

I'm glad I found your channel, you've made warframe less frustrating for me overall

[@zakurn1086]

Viral has killed the whole damage system. Viral is slag from Borderlands 2, you need it for high levels.

[@HACHmusic]

Oh is that it?! So I really needed is the slag reference to understand 😂. Now I'm good. Thanks for making it easier to understand!

[@silnyye4403]

My guy deserves more subs. Good work.

[@menchTV]

Such a great video, mad props!

[@DiscontentCat]

Thank you so much for this video. I just begun the steel path and was so confused why my corrosive builds felt like they werent doing jack to anyone.

[@TheTruePacmanMG]

I've just come back to WF since about 2018. Looking into my builds I had a lot of corrosive and viral. I think I'm going to lean a bit harder to viral now. Thank you for this video I feel enlightened and vindicated towards my friend who swears that using viral vs. Grineer at any level is a waste of time and stupid lol.

[@darthj_der7447]

Ive run viral and slash for like 3yrs now. Yrs ago corrosive was ALL ppl talked about. But my own tests in simulacrum leaned toward viral/slash everytime. Ive always known its beauty. Nowdays, viral/heat/slash together are insane!

[@heroscout7533]

Thank you for this video. Been running with corrosive mostly but I don't do any high tier enemy fights. Glad to know my 5 forma flux can get stronger!

[@DjTrustNo.1]

when the sentients make their next move... well, that might take some time tho xD

[@paulamblard3836]

15:10 the main use of corrosive is missing : "do you apply status, and kill your ennemis in enough time to benefit of it" : if no, corrosive is better. for star chart grineer, Corrosive is better, to benefit of the bonus to the direct damage, without need status.

[@sourmango4760]

if they die too quickly whats the point of going for corrosive anyways?

[@paulamblard3836]

@@sourmango4760 to inflict mush more direct damage, because corrosive at 0 proc ignore 75% of the ferrit armore. around 5-6 time the damage of viral.

[@Avoncarstien]

Also super true for weapons that have a slower rate of fire, or deal huge bursts of damage, rather than lots of ticking statuses. It's a tricky topic for sure.

[@brianlam5847]

@@Avoncarstien Those weapons have monster slash procs though, look at Nataruk with the solid 1mil slash ticks

[@Avoncarstien]

@@brianlam5847 The point is that Corrosive base damage *ignores* a substantial part of the target's armor on the *initial* hit, and with the Nataruk's wild upfront damage potential and usually a slow rate of fire, you'll get more damage in the amount of time till the enemy's dead with Corrosive, since next to nothing outside of steel path or certain sortie setups is going to live past 2 hits anyway, so you won't really get much out of viral procs + slash ticks. For 2-3+ hour endless runs and steel path, yeah you need to consider an entirely different setup, but in my experience even in steel path missions on the Zaramin, around about level 150, corrosive performs quite well; and I have my Laetum currently set up with corrosive/heat since holy *cow* is the base damage on that thing insane. In any case, this video is super useful for providing the information necessary to understand the game mechanics and allow players to make their own decisions based on what targets they're going after.

[@youknowwho257]

Wait until we got Corrupted Heavy Nox and we gonna have nightmares. For me this Corrupt heavy gunner being the tankiest of all greneers was aways weird af to say the least. It's very skinny and tall, and that's it...

[@soosboons4444]

Unless they have resistance to headshots, they won't be much of a problem tbh. Crack open that helmet and they will drop faster than a heavy gunner.

[@Vincrand]

Corrupted units have the same stats as normal units. So Heavy gunner = Corrupted Heavy Gunner. The difference is in which faction mod does bonus damage. Also Bombards are harder to kill with a corrosive setup than a Heavy Gunner (due to different armor type)

[@FiveN9ne]

@@Vincrand This is not true. Corrupted heavy gunners have higher base hp than all the other heavy gunners 700 vs 300, check in simulacrum before you spawn them. They have same armor but when you consider health their ehp is higher. The tankiest units in the game are manic bombard eximus, but they practically don't exist in regular gameplay so they're irrelevant. People should test builds against bombards/napalms instead of gunners.

[@Vincrand]

@@FiveN9ne I stand corrected. Personally I always do a test run against 12 heavy gunners and 8 bombards at the highest level that is available to me (currently 150). If I die without playing bad, than the build isn't for me. I also use Corpus units, but only for weapons I intend to use only against Corpus.

[@FiveN9ne]

@@Vincrand For Corpus, maybe Cinder Machinists are the strongest ones but also not common, Corpus Tech probably the best choice, but they die so easily the test barely reveals anything

[@wallyhellblazer6905]

as a veteran I always believed that distant observer was the best warframe youtuber, but watching your video, now I think there are only two good warframe youtuber. you earned one more subscriber! love the video and how informative it is.

[@arenssasyl7365]

And the other one?

[@hazeltree7738]

@@arenssasyl7365 Distant Observer and Kengineer

[@RCGJR_]

2,000 hours in and i found this video helpful🤙💪

[@wallyhellblazer6905]

Me too, 4k in game hours and this video teach me 1 or 2 things more

[@metalheadzaki]

i have 3,7k hours in the game and never get how armor scaling on enemies work lmao

[@yokoo8064]

13 hours left till I hit 5k, still taking that cheat sheet with me

[@__8120]

that very pretty rainbow graph alone is worth a like

[@RoninTheCrusader]

As someone that took a break since the release of Fortuna and is recently returning, it definitely helps to know that corrosive is viable in Cambion Drift. My dumb ass heard viral is the meta, and just slapped it on every weapon I had 😂

[@antoniodunbar1643]

My boy you have just gained a subscriber

[@kamalpramsook]

first useful youtuber with a nice explanations. i'll sub to that my guy keep up the good work

[@kfc902]

Yo I was looking for something like this. Thanks

[@scottmiller2188]

Fantastic information as always! The more math in these videos the better.

[@Magbuus]

This was really interesting, great video :D

[@vonrelevanz1963]

Very well explained, I will link this to people who ask me about the meta. Against high level enemies, it's best to bring a crit based melee with condition overload and mainly slash together with a mixture of viral, corrosive, heat and radiation distributed between your companion and your gun, for which I find the new sentinel gun Verglas very helpful, despite it's inconsistent firing. Why radiation? Watch a heavy gunner and a nox with rad procs turning on their allies... General advice for those who struggle with modding: Get a Cedo, alt fire applies a dozen procs of every status in the game at once. Problem solved.

[@zackvyle]

I gotta watch all your vids in order to understand Warframe more. There’s still some things which I can’t kill fast or at all so we’ll time to look through all your vids

[@DragonxFlutter]

On a rewatch, I realized something. You can just use Saryn for both Corrosive (1) and Viral (4), and supplement with Slash-based weaponry; with two instances of Toxin on the side (2 & 3); or you could use Lavos’ gimmick of combining elements on the spot. Plus, you have 3 weapon slots (one for each damage type), and a companion that could be modded to use a Viral Verglas while you run Corrosive+Slash, or a Blast+Corrosive Verglas while you run Viral+Slash. The argument is rendered moot by the simple fact that there are many ways to use both elements at the same time.

[@hammerheadcorvette4]

15:19 We'll hopefully use the operators more when the sentients arrive... Plenty arcanes with heat/electric and other gimmicks to not be left alone.

[@blackmage1276]

Something to note, grineer missions on earth, mars, and uranus all have lancers with ferrite armour

[@thetaomegatheta]

Technicality: asimptotes can intersect with their corresponding graphs

[@thecheshire2334]

Typically I've used viral fire as a method of reducing armor while damaging a target. Curious too see how that compares too viral slash

[@stuff4812]

i mean lots of weapons can do all 3. viral heat and slash

[@judehaylesa]

@@stuff4812 never optimal tho since you usually waits mods slots on useful utility or essential damage mods

[@stuff4812]

this was so long ago now but in all honestly wasted mod slot or not the difference isnt that big when comparing to what your using the weapon against. unless your trying to get away with using a mediocre weapon everything will die very fast regardless

[@Avoncarstien]

@@stuff4812 with the advent of primary and secondary arcanes, basically everything except the new Eximus, Thrax, and Steel Path enemies go down without much effort. I do love the fact that heat procs stack damage indefinitely though, which can make them something of an alternative to slash for weapons like the Nukor or Cycron that have great stats but no way to access slash. Honestly given the way heat works, I'm curious how heat vs slash in terms of damage works out. Heat will inevitably win out at *some* level of procs, given the target has near infinite health and near infinite armor, but heat's stacking vs slash's true damage would be something interesting to plot on various levels of armor.

[@Phantom_35]

nah that hydroid shot at 0:29 was so neat

[@ridwanquick]

I WILL EMBRACE YOU MATHFRAME. *Sad cry reminiscing high school*

[@TheDoomsdayzoner]

Answer is simple: Corrosive is for melee(with a few exceptions like Sylva&Aegis(Prime) ) Viral+Heat for firearms(except some Shotguns and and those Slash+Viral guns) Corrosive is a better damage type, Viral is the best Status type.

[@paulamblard3836]

bad answer.

[@TheDoomsdayzoner]

@@paulamblard3836 boy, go study the damage type table. You are embarrassing yourself.

[@paulamblard3836]

@@TheDoomsdayzoner the weapon type don't change the effect of the status, so say that it depend of the weapon type is stupid.

[@TheDoomsdayzoner]

@@paulamblard3836 you are really not getting it. Stop embarrassing yourself further and go play the game for once. Allow me to explain this to you, my neophite friend: Usually melee weapons do not include more than 2 elemental damage mods in their build, for it's better to include more important mods like Blood Rush and/or Condition Overload. Not to mention the 3-4 obligatory mods and 2-3 weapon-dependant mods. Meanwhile, firearms tend to be build with around 3 elemental mods, for that sweet status and damage type mixing. And then here's the fact, that was already mentioned in the video: Viral sucks as the damage type, but has the best STATUS EFFECT Corrosive(and Fire) are the best damage types(protoshields are pretty much of a joke), and have subnormal status effects. Relying too much on Slash procs won't help you on steel path, unless you are an Ash main. That's the road of the pure Status builds, which are inferior to Crit Builds. And Crit Builds are inferior to Hybrid Builds. And Hybrid builds are the true meta these days. May they use one weapon or two to achieve the maximum damage. Confused? Of course you are. Play the game, experiment, read the wiki, and then you will get what I mean. Peace.

[@FiveN9ne]

@@TheDoomsdayzoner Viral + slash will outdo any corrosive melee on any serious level mission. That's just a mathematical fact. I agree that on guns viral/heat is preferred because of more leeway for modding. Ideally, melee is built for pure slash + using a CO primer. Secondly, viral is not trash as a damage type since it has 75% bonus vs grineer units and corpus flesh units. Many people seem to think you need to strip armor to get the 75% bonus which is incorrect. For example: 100 corrosive damage vs 1000 ferrite armor unit. You ignore 75% of the armor, which means you're fighting vs 250 armor. Then you receive 75% bonus damage, which means you hit 175 damage against 250 armor in the end. 100 viral damage vs 1000 ferrite armor unit. You do not ignore armor, but you still receive the 75% bonus. The end result is 175 viral damage against 1000 armor, which further gets increased with each proc of viral.

[@BR0KENGLASSMAN]

I like using the Phage which can stack Viral, Corrosive and Heat all in one to just mess up any and all factions

[@zarodgaming1844]

I have to say tho, that even if viral is a bit of a joke in its design being a bit OP, I am every day more happy for the changes. Now it feels amazing to use corrosive and magnetic procs even on slow firing guns. a few procs and you are set, instead of having to spam it like crazy -only casualty bsing gas in my opinion

[@EricLinstone]

I mostly use corrosive because it's damage type has so few resistances and it's neutral to most stuff. But this is good to know.

[@sleepywisp]

You should’ve mentioned the combinations of Viral, Heat, & Slash Vs Corrosive, Heat, Slash. I feel since both elemental combos ( Viral & Corrosive ) Can use Heat as a single side element an taking slash & bleed ticks from slash into account. There could’ve been more arguments to be made about which is better with those additional multipliers. Especially with Heat in the mix because it temporarily reduces enemy armor while the burn proc is active. An a point you missed about Viral in this video is that 325% additional damage alongside boosted/enhanced damage with DOT damage types (Damage Over Time) So Heat, Slash, an Toxin damage. Great video nonetheless just wanted to pointed out this interaction the both elements ( Viral & Corrosive ) have with Heat. Along side with Viral having the ability to not only boost Slash but Heat & Toxin as well.

[@Psion_Phoenix]

Good guide. I always use viral + slash everywhere except for the Cambrian Drift or steel path. For them I use Corrosive, Heat and Slash.

[@UmbraAtrox_]

Finally some sane Warframe content. Liked, commented and subscribed

[@Mkgaming252]

Great video man I love it the way you explained you just a new subscriber

[@TheOppiter]

this was very useful and informative for a retunrer to warframe. thanks

[@UNGGodYT]

that is why i put heat with my viral the heat status reduce armor by half and a little CC , but it is wise to always bring a weapon for those situation , if you cant spare any of the main loadout , have an arch gun for it , or use a weapon that can have both viral and corrosive .

[@johnsandberg3074]

Very informative video but i still think yoi should have mentioned that viral is often combined with fire for armor reduction and that increases the gap between corrosive and viral even more and so does corrosive projection.

[@cart0443]

Great video! Keep up the good work👌

[@simonsoupshark8009]

great video as always also seeing somone use hydroid makes me smile (happy hydroid main noises)

[@mikakeskitalo]

5:40 wrong, viral as a damage type only gives the +75% dmg bonus to grineers cloned flesh if you fully strip their armor (aka their healthbar turns to red instead of yellow, which indicates that they have some armor still on them). other than that corrosive as a damage type is better for the majority of grineer units that have ferrite armor, and radiation for the rest that have alloy armor (mostly bosses, bombards etc.)

[@monkeykingss4luffy786]

So in best case scenario corrosive is still the go to rather than viral that has falloff point over time

[@FiveN9ne]

This is not correct. Armor is not something you damage, it's just an obstacle for that damage to reach the health. This means, you always deal 75% bonus viral damage when fighting grineer, but the bonus is reduced by armor first. This is very easy to test, and also illogical if you think about it. If your way was true, all damage types would deal the same damage against armor if they had no bonuses, which isn't the case. If you really want to test, compare viral vs some element that has no damage modifier against armored units. The damage should be the same if your way was true, but it won't be.

[@SandroAerogen]

I think there is one specific stance of the corrosive vs viral dillema you didn't look at: Shotguns. Shotguns can make use of Primed Charged Shell, a very powerful elemental damage mod that can be used for corrosive damage, but not viral. I wonder if viral would still be the better choice in such circumstances?

[@Avoncarstien]

In this case, it's also worth considering Viral is even stronger on rifles, since we have Primed Cryo in that case. It's fascinating how complicated the varied circumstances can be, and ultimately in a game this complicated there will always be edge cases, videos like this lay out the ground rules for how to do the math, and how that applies to most cases. If you've got a more specific case in mind, you know the math, and should be able to figure it out for yourself :)

[@Alberto-wr2sv]

Little tip: Use corrosive in your primary. Use toxin in your secondary. Use viral+slash (or pure slash) in your melee. Use radiation in your arch-gun. Get a panzer infested kitty. Contrats, u have all damage types needed to fight against all factions in any situations.

[@Avoncarstien]

Excellent analysis, even practically a year later.

[@WuWaWizard]

Can you do a video on the following: -best setup for each moa -best amp build for each prism -best Deimos pet setups Just some ideas for some content I'd like to see you do, since you do these types of vids quite well.

[@nostalgicwarframeplayer1231]

Cold take: corrosive procs were already dead when they could no longer 100% armor strip. Without complete armor strip, rather than using status hose weapons to sustain 80% armor strip, it is easier to use armor strip skills incl bastille, shuriken/link augments etc, while freeing mod slots for viral damage (and procs) instead. Good point on the sentient damage types tho, although aside from the bosses, armor strip skills are still better at dealing with sentient armor

[@Silver-sq1rr]

Hi kenginner, would it be possible to made an updated video for the latest changes? I currently have viral heat slash on all my builds but I'd really like to know when corrosive is better. Thanks 🙏

[@someguy1301]

Radiation is OP on the Corinth when you use the grenade there is just enemy’s fighting each other everywhere

[@steezyastro]

Also on Kuva Nukor

[@Terrantular]

@@steezyastro funny, my Kuva Nukor doesn't make enemies fight each other, unless they're doing it in the afterlife.

[@steezyastro]

@@Terrantular what in the mr1 are you taking about?

[@soosboons4444]

meanwhile magnetic is probably a god damn skeleton now lmao

[@amatoyoichi8468]

Magnetic is awfully good against corpus. Make your ignis wraith gas and magnetic damage. And thank the Lord that they actually have more shield than hp

[@Aeririn]

@@amatoyoichi8468 mean why use magnetic when can just use toxin to bypass shields entirely while also doing bonus dmg to health? Toxin has always been kinda ridiclously strong against shields which themselves are extremely weak. So there has never been a reason to use magnetic and probably never will knowing DE

[@SnailSnail-lo4pm]

Well corpus is melted by magnetic. BLAST is a skeleton.

[@treadmill3889]

Short answer : yes

[@datermanator44]

This video is very helpful, thanks!

[@Vegetsu101]

I prefer Corrosive+Crit on melee for daily use, kills enemies faster than Viral and that's what matters the most to me. Also Viral can't kill armored tanky special enemies at all.

[@derpyn00b38]

i think that’s why people use heat with viral for its armor strip

[@erichdegurechaff9515]

Still not the better, Viral will do more damage with crits and Slash procs too, only if you are using a build if pure crit, without status chance. Slash ignores armor and viral buffs slash

[@Vegetsu101]

@@erichdegurechaff9515 Sure. Corrosive crit is not "better" than Viral + Slash, but it is way more consistent. You are actually able to kill everything in the game rather than struggling vs. specific enemies.

[@Vegetsu101]

@@erichdegurechaff9515 Well, Considering that my Corrosive Crit build one-shots pretty much every enemy, especially the infested and corpus (upwards to level 500), I don't think that status procs are that necessary anyways. And if I need viral for anything, I can use a gun to proc it.

[@alpha198delta]

Why nor both? Panzer Vulpaphyla for Viral procs with quills, and both corrosive and slash on a zaw. The number of quills from the Vulp can reliably give 3-6 to a target every 4s with some to other targets.

[@fighter754gd7]

Very intriguing video!

[@Disappointed_Philosoraptor]

Great video. I did learn details abotu a few things i didn't have accurate data on. The whole demolisher thing for example, thank for that^^ However, there are a few things i'd like to point out which i think the video should have or could have mentioned. From the video, it initially seems that even specifically against grineer it all boils down to the inability of corrosive to handle alloy armor after all, as those select few grineer that posess this armor type do prove rather hard to kill with corrosive, as the armor reduction of even 80% at 10 procs becomes irrelevant at some point. You prove to us that viral in conjunction with slash is more effective as although it falls behind against ferrite armor, it can handle them as well as any other enemy "good enough". Since we're talking about combined elements, wouldn't it be only fair to also talk about combinations of corrosive with other elements as well? IF we're talking alloy armor, the main problem would be that you cannot use corrosive in conjuction with a damage type that's good against alloy armor as both corrosive and radiation require electricity as the base element. The only other option is to use cold which has a minor 25% modifier against alloy, but that doesn't really cut it. The again, the story changes on weapons with innate radiation damage, such as for example the staticor or any Kuva weapon with the right progenitor warframe to get radiation. This dynamic also applies to weapons with innate corrosion, on which you can mod radiation for the same all-star combination. Then, another major point would the be the very nature of slash as a DOT. While it's just really anticlimactic to stop shooting an enemy only to see them stand there for a few seconds until the DOT does it's work, time to kill itself as well as ammo efficiency also factor into the decision which element to use. The next major point would be priming the enemies themselves with one of the aforementioned elements. The Panzer Vulpaphyla specifically will proc viral on basically every enemy on the map for the entire mission - even while it's dead (which it won't stay for long as it always revives itself after a minute). If you're running around with that thing in tow then the decision changes: Use Corrosive and ridiation to straght up annihilate anything upfront or proc slash to wait for them to die - again, radiation on one weapon and corrosive on the other, or even both on the same weapon will usually obliterate anything. Last but not least: acolytes. all of them sport ferrite aromor. So far, corrosive seems to be the best element to have on your weapon to kill them, as one of their traits is that they cannot take more than 4 status procs of any status at the same time. as soon as 4 viral and slash are applied, no further procs can be stacked. This renders them virtually immune to any DOTs... so upfront damage it is.

[@jamesraposa942]

what this has taught me is Radiation is still the relevant choice for not giving a ducat

[@Lonzology]

Personally I still use corrosive damage on melees and certain weapons that arent great with slash. I think corrosive is still useful but there are very few enemies now that actually require the use of corrrosive (Deimos enemies, Optio and sum Uranus enemies, sentients)

[@babysquirrel2746]

If Warframe has an exam I will be ready for it.

[@ChristopherSadlowski]

When I first started playing Warframe I found the whole damage weakness system, and the modding system in general, so confusing that I effectively ignored it. I think it was when I was trying to pass the Jupiter Rail and kept failing horribly that I told myself to actually sit down and learn this stuff. Once I modded a weapon that actually did something and sailed through the challenge I stared to really look at the Codex. Now I like this system as it's a game in itself for me. It should be better explained to new players though. I find the various, complex systems in Warframe fun, but for other people it's too much and they probably stop playing.

[@TazBoy2K]

To those wondering here we go: Heat+Viral= easy use on weapons that prioritize slash in IPS and on lower armored target including lower levels, also on melee that use "Shattering Impact". Heat+Corrosive= Best used on targets above a certain armor threshold in terms of levels and targets that have higher armor scaling than health, i personally run the Phantasma and prioritize this combo with 3 dual stats blaze and a 90% heat mod and feel like it's the best shotgun/GUN behind the Cedo (Cedo is a cheat code).

[@Crashapple]

i'd just like to point out while under most circumstances it is most ideal to use slash viral its far there are some missing pieces on information i'd like to add there does exist weapons with innate viral thus need no viral or more specifically panzer kavat which can effectively apply 10x viral procs to the entire map that do push damage in favor of running corrosive or just pure heat alongside the meta slash *or faction damage modding* ...and seriously use panzer if you aren't using smeeta for loot, its the strongest battle companion for so many reasons right now, applying 10x viral procs to every enemy, gives melee combo or sniper combo for hitting both the spore and enemies, gives hunter recovery healing for every spore ticking on the map, can't be permanently killed because panzer and frees up an element to allow different elements to be used also infested in missions outside of deimos CAN have armor, but its not generally an issue since its only under the specific circumstance where they pass through a swarm mutalists cloud of flies though its not generally much of an issue