Warframe: The Battle Pass Killer?

[@Finallin]

Do YOU think nightwave was a good idea?

[@joeybobbson2622]

Yes, but it kinda sucks not having the occasional alert for a free slot, reactor or even some bonus Nitain. Ik you can grind to the end for more, but it's a much greater commitment required now.

[@terryhenderson3424]

Yes

[@lezanoloserio7944]

It's a free Battle pass with no premium only reward.

[@rustybucket164]

Nightwave is a godsend for new players. Getting free forma, slots, arcane, random mods, is great for new players.

[@hardluckmk.52]

Nw doesn’t always give me incentives to play the game, but it does give me things to do when i’m at the top and just want to play the game, for those not like me it basically just rewards you playing the game most of the time and provides challenges to earn more faster, NW as it is now with the permanent weekly challenges is peak 👍

[@windboit994]

the fact that DE has given us so much content over the years without us having to spend a single dime, it comes to show how much they love and respect the community, I don't think any other game can achieve the loyalty warframe players have for the game

[@Finallin]

Warframe does have an exceptionally loyal community, and that's one of the things that makes it so unique. I feel like the community isn't just loyal to the game though, they care so much about keeping it welcoming and kind. Which is a rarity among gaming communities nowadays.

[@terryhenderson3424]

No Man's Sky is another one that's does the same for it's community

[@RichardmpayiTnway]

We are definitely spending but not because we have to but want to.

[@cantremember6794]

The only game iv played for 10 years and spent clise to 600 and still plan to keep going

[@DrDemolition]

now only if they give us good inventory/relic/market management like alecaframe, that'd be great

[@hypecod-v8t]

warframe don't need you pay for play, they know that if you play more, the more likely you pay for something, which is healthy for players, bc they spend for fun, not for power creep

[@ptbro3334]

This is absolutely correct. Havent paid for anything in the game, but after 3 years of enjoyment, I became a common customer ,buying their sales on steam and prime passes,as well as regal aya. And I'm absolutely satisfied with their stuff

[@The_man_in_the_waIl]

I have spent nearly a thousand dollars on Warframe since I started playing (around 100 dollars every year) but it doesn’t feel like I’m paying for content, it feels like I’m supporting the game I love.

[@jpmorgan6146]

I’m literally such a cheap gamer now. Hopped on warframe and was spending more money than any other game just because of how they built the game. Like why not

[@magnolia8886]

This the only game I feel satisfied spending money on afterwards unlike in other games I’m like “I cant believe I bought this shit”

[@Nobreza0804]

You see, sometimes it almost feels unfair playing SO MUCH without spending a dime, right after finishing New War, I was COMPLETELY flabbergasted and my login reward was a 75% Discount, I DIDN'T need platinum, I do enough trades to have a decent platinum income BY JUST PLAYING THE GAME yet I still wanted to use it, I felt like I was tipping someone right after those outdoor piano performances, it just felt right ESPECIALLY after playing Jade Shadows right away

[@commandersmith2327]

I've got PTSD form Glass Maker. Hearing "There's Glass Resonance in your area" for the thousandth time WHEN I'M JUST TRYING TO FISH ON DEIMOS!

[@Finallin]

Lol! I can't imagine how annoying that got after a while though...

[@commandersmith2327]

@@Finallin Real quick considering the Heart of Deimos update came out whilst Glass Maker was going on meaning you had to kill INFESTED by hitting weak points... Weak point that are immune to AOE... Like the AOE from Voidrigs 4th... Making Voidrig near useless in its debut Content Update... ThReReS gLaSs ReSoNaNcE iN yOuR aReA!

[@4g3nt06]

You just reawakened a core memory

[@hartantoanggoro]

@@commandersmith2327 before the glass is the wolf pack, you killed his pack, you got a bonk from the big bad wolf.

[@nickrobinson5715]

​@@commandersmith2327it wasn't weak points, there was just a couple destructable crystals on random parts of their body to unlock their health bar

[@Relf_G]

I'm kinda okay with Nightwave not having a story element. I don't like having missed all the story bits when I was on a hiatus.

[@LivingMrIn]

Pretty sure once it ended you could view the story cutscenes even if you never reached the checkpoints, i do miss the stories though.

[@snorpus]

^^ yeah you can view all the previous stories

[@U.Inferno]

When Nightwave came out, it replaced normal daily missions, so rather having objective and rewards detached from the player's personal progression, it tries to integrate more thoroughly. So, rather than having a daily mission on Europa while a player is developing their Sedna star chart, you get to overlay their daily mission on top of their personal quests as an extension. So, having a story I think defeats that purpose. You don't need to grind out a nightwave story on top of Chains of Harrow. You can just do normal ass objectives

[@Khyon521]

I never even thought of Nightwave being a battle pass until you said it in the beginning of the video. I like the fact that not only is it free, but it has overflow points that are used to get very niche resources in the game

[@bradleyjenkins2271]

The legendary story of a guy, once bought 200 rerolls in a row to get a specific Kubrow color (back in the day you had to roll for them for platinum) Digital Extreme were shocked, went full 180, removing the rolling mechanic and refunded the guy all his money It’s a true showcase of good they are with the community, they did this on their own, no one complained, they just thought it wasn’t the best for us

[@Gamer3427]

They're an example of one of the few times a company understands how much monetization is "enough", rather than being greedy and trying to make as much profit as possible.

[@pinobluevogel6458]

The easiest solution is the one I believe they have implemented, which is selling all the colors in game and then allowing you to recolor your Kubrow.

[@skygrasper_47]

I missed that aspect of Nightwave. It was crazy how they weaved in a sort of mission progression and story into a battle pass (and it's all free!), but I completely understand why they stopped it. The cutscenes, scripted sequences and boss fight mechanics do take a lot of effort. I do hop that they would try to bring it back every once in a while.

[@Darca1n]

Same, I do hope they'll do reruns of the themed ones now and then, but for the most part it's just been reruns of rewards.

[@kashjw8390]

Imagine a technocyte themed nightwave with a boss mission

[@nickrobinson5715]

I don't even think it needs some crazy intricate boss fights. Just some lore that isn't elaborated much on without deep diving through the codex.

[@ArcaneAzmadi]

I think they dropped it for the same reason they phased out timed events like Operations- because they created content that would be missed forever by any players who joined the game after the events had ended. Even I ended up missing some of those early operations when I took a hiatus from the game- I missed Slingstone and Gradivus Dilemma (and to this day, I've never been able to get my hands on a Brakk).

[@nickrobinson5715]

@ArcaneAzmadi yeah, they could just make the cutscenes reviewable. Brakk is still availible from doing invasions and getting hunted by gustrag 3. Much like when can still get the vitrica by doing the boss purchased from nightwave. It's not like they vaulted the obtainable content.

[@MigrantTheGreat]

Nighwave replaced OG Warframes 'Alert System' because these were the main ways to 100% get Nitain Extract(still the rarest resource in the game) Plus the 2 Eclipse (Yes the actual phenomena) that have happened in my life, the devs have put at "Alert Mission" that rewarded us the augment mod 'Eclipse' which was unique for a warframe.

[@jacobosaldarriaga4820]

I also was not playing WF when the Series were in effect, so knowing that aspect was lost is saddening. However, the Nightwave is such a rewarding battlepass that is easily accessible to all players and so it continues to be, one of the best features ever added, it's just straight up free constant stuff.

[@kenamefin]

Expanding on the Glassmaker series; You mentioned it was 8 months of the same series which yes, made it very stale and and invoked an audible: “ugh.” Every time the glass resonance appeared, it also could very easily brick a mission for a few reasons: It could make certain units completely invulnerable even when shooting their new weak point that should be letting you damage it. So things like capture missions if you got really unlucky could force you to restart. Survival missions could die because too many enemies are unkillable. And while I initially loved the novelty it made the content I enjoyed most, endurance content like multi-hour survivals and disruptions, almost unplayable. Other than that, great video! Love the effort you put into it and it’s honestly really well put together.

[@Theguyoverthere603]

HOLD’ UP, GLASS RESONANCE IN YOUR AREA 👁️👄👁️

[@Finallin]

I heard about that in another comment, must've been annoying lol

[@Theguyoverthere603]

Honestly, the boss fight in that series was fire lore-wise. My biggest problem was for a while, glassed enemies would bug out and become invulnerable, making Defense missions impossible to finish. There’s a funny clip of players punting an unkillable glass enemy across the map and over a cliff just to end the mission lmao

[@hazenoxprime]

😂 no I'm going to a new zone

[@darkbooger]

Leave me alone! Gaaahh! Aaaaaaggh!

[@the_infinexos]

​@@Finallin it was pretty annoying yes

[@chanax3815]

The best thing is that a lot of night wave content isn't locked behind FOMO and every loot will come back

[@TheFlyingslug]

But every time I take an extended break, I end up missing a Night wave Season that has all of the things I don't have yet 😢

[@Finallin]

Happens to me with incarnon weeks lol

[@tobiasrex8052]

You say that but I've been waiting for certain armors from previous nightwaves to come back (some unique shoulder pauldrons, Saturn six armor) but as far as I'm aware they haven't

[@aricohen5960]

Saturn Six hasn't been featured again since Intermission 2. 5 years ago.

[@tobiasrex8052]

@aricohen5960 so my question is will the previous nigtwave stuff ever return

[@Zero-rq5uh]

It's always sad to know that they won't do extra stories, but it's one of the best battle passes out there, with very good rewards in general, I wish more games had such a free system.

[@Finallin]

Games could even keep their free and paid style models, but just make the free ones more rewarding like bro 😭

[@ElKITENAUT]

It would be nice if they repeated them, i just starter playing 2 weeks before arlo's finished, so it would be nice to experience that and the wolf's

[@hartantoanggoro]

Maybe because of different directions, so much new content that the old got wasted even though it's good.

[@mherrj]

Deep rock galactic is the only other game i can think of that has a free battle pass

[@Valtremors]

Haven't played for a while but I remember devs promising that people could manually switch to different seasons too. So getting cosmetics from old seasons would be much easier.

[@domaxltv]

Man what happened to unlocking cosmetics (which DRG puts into their battlepasses primarily) by just playing the game and being good at it?

[@AerineTear]

guild wars 2 have free battle pass too, if you have the latest expansion with better version too because there's no level, you'll get currency after finishing the weekly/daily mission and you can just buy the item you want the right away with that currency and the cosmetics item is not expired from the battle pass after the season is ended

[@Allnatural-10b]

Helldivers 2 could also technically count with the warbond but it does have lot of grinding for Super Credits that you'll probably buy the warbonds

[@thegrouchization]

Halo: The Master Chief Collection's "Battle Pass" is also free, which makes sense given that adding a paid system like that to what is effectively a re-release bundle would be extremely scummy. I'd actually say its system is a bit _better_ than Warframe's, since you can choose which series to put your reward points into, rather than have a given reward track be lost forever once its season/volume ends.

[@SenseofNoneYT]

It's such a great way to earn resources like Orokin Catalysts/Reactors, Nitian Extracts, and even Kuva if you wanted. Some of the challenges are pretty passive too. I was personally playing when Nightwave first started. Honestly, didn't realize how long ago that was. Either way, I personally don't mind that the story/lore part of Nightwave got removed. It is a shame for sure. But if it takes away from the development of the main quests and updates, then I'm happy to live with the Nightwave Volumes. Glassmaker was interesting by introducing another living Orokin. Emissary was cool in a dark and creepy way. But Wolf of Saturn Six was my favorite lore-wise. A bunch Grineer escaping prison, led by this absolute unit of a Grineer wielding a big hammer. The Wolf just sounded and looked badass. He still appears in Kahl missions because The Wolf seems to have been abducted by The Sentients. But to this day, I am still hoping that Kahl finally gets to free The Wolf so he can join his rebel group. I feel like Kahl and The Wolf would really get along.

[@dancingimmortal448]

deep rock galactic has a completely free battle pass, you can even do the old passes freely or just open the in mission chests that can spawn to find the skins from olderer the battle pass.

[@verios44]

This is my only feature add I want for nightwave. Ability to go back to past volumes and finish what you missed. Like for vol 7? Im at 30+27 in level. I would appreciate being able to open vol 1, 2, etc and run that content.

[@aidanwalker8142]

@@verios44 exactly, it would also let newer players experience the stories of the first three if they missed them

[@heverdiaz4630]

Fun fact night wave is paying homage to the radio lady from the warriors movie

[@helhexen9099]

WAAAAARFRAME'S! COME OUT TO PLAAAAAYY!

[@Phantom3616G]

When I started playing warframe I was amazed that by the free items and cosmetics it gives to its players no other game would run the extra mile to give the players what they want and I would say this game is one of the most fun I ever had for a F2P experience

[@DreadNought0255]

The main idea for Nightwave was to give players some kind of a carrot to chase after. Humans have a thing for checklists, apparently. This was a big piece of feedback they got from newer players who has just completed Vor's Prize for example and didn't have a sherpa giving suggestions. And old vets who had done everything also were saying that there was nothing to go for in the game. So basically it was a way for DE to put in a Bounty system from the whole game. Every long term MMO player ever knows that feeling or moment where you log into a game, look around your inventory, journal or whatever and have no idea what they are supposed to do. Like going to the fridge for a snack and despite there being stuff in there, thinking you have nothing to eat. Nightwave's primary objective was to help with that. The narrative concept for Nightwave series was awersome. To paraphrase Steve Sinclair (then creative director of WF) the idea was to tell "Stories from the System", campfire tales. Things that are happening out there outside of our involvement, where WE are the side characters or at most basically janitors, fixing and moping up a mess someone else had made. Our involvement with the first two series was, basically just running into convicts or cultists and dealing with them because they just happened to get in our way. The third one did set us up as more of the protagonist again and while understandable for the story they wanted to tell, the whole concept kind of lost the original plot then. We did get two new boss fights out of them though. I still hope DE comes back to the very OG concept again but seriously limiting our direct involvement. Basically having it so we just run into some random enemies or things and we don't have any real way to affect the story unfolding in the system. We got bigger things to do and the system isn't helpless without the Tenno. Narmer cults, Sentient nests, political drama in the Grineer high society and council, Nef and his grifts. All these things might be happening right now in the system and we, who are out here jumping realities in some eldritch plan to defeat a god just aren't needed or even wanted to fix this. Any storytelling can come from Nora (if they can get the voice actor again) and with those static dioramas DE likes doing.

[@Arnmets1]

Deep Rock Galactic has a system similar to this with its performance pass (That’s their name for it) being completely free and making it to where you can’t spend money on those cosmetics, you gotta play for it. But recently they added a feature that lets you go back to previous seasons and play through them incase you’re new or weren’t able to get everything. I think warframe should have a similar system to this since Nora’s volumes don’t change the game much and is just a task on the back of your mind.

[@635574]

I have played a bit of NFS no limits and their events become permanent replayable too, but their system fails due to balance, the absolute horseshit RNGesus reliance combined with time limit make each of them nigh incompletable so the game is DOA for f2p because of that. You have a maxed car but can't unlock it. Warframe already has catchup for tasks and the old items also return in the shop or main track as well. Adding replayable seasons would also increase the code to be maintained as we know shit always breaks somewhere.

[@DrakeWurrum]

I would love for all 3 series to be reconfigured into standalone side-quests. They were fun little stories to play through, but they didn't need to drip-feed it over time.

[@kazen16]

What I love about the night wave is the fact DE specifically said it's anti fomo because you can catch up even on the last week... Everything is doable, they know wf players got a lot of checklist stuff to do and almost all NW stuffs you end up doing w/o much effort.

[@ForgieDusker]

i remember when Nightwave was first introduced, i was finally starting to reach the end of the star chart and really beginning my MR grind. most of my time was spent on Hydron, even before i realized things like the mote amp even existed... so whenever the Wolf showed up there in his pre-nerf glory, i was stuck either spending 40 minutes whittling him down with my operator's base void beam, getting lucky enough that my team had what it took to merk him, or being the last person to leave because everyone else thought it was a waste of time. i miss those days. i, too, lament the loss of such an in-depth game world exploration narrative device, but i'm also not going to complain that it meant we probably got New War sooner. the game feels in a very healthy place right now, in no smal part due to Rebecca's superb leadership. hopefully that perceived health means, someday, we might get another micro expansion. though i'd take more reworks and tuneups over NW series any day. Banshee feels more like an air siren can that's lost it's squeak than a mythical creature known for bringing sonic doom, and two of Atlas' abilities are functionally entirely useless as anything more than a free subsume slot.

[@raikohzx4323]

I was initially upset after starting this past September that things like the Protokol weapon skins were Nightwave-exclusive, but they put those back into the game as Hex syndicate goodies to get with standing, so hey, it all works out.

[@akiraxtreme]

The crazy part is that I get regularly dismissed by newer and lower ranked players when I tell them how helpful doing the Nightwave can be in the beginning. Dude, I'm a LR4 and MR30 player giving solid advice instead of a handout on plat/mods/prime parts/etc. why not do this and get much needed weapon and frame slots? It takes little to no time to clear the entire week in 2-3 hours. It's guaranteed catalyst and reactors for a game with well over 750 items to level up and play. They always give out at least 3 regular forma per Nightwave season on top of the other types of forma. Sunday is usually the best time to get the elite weekly done (reset night). That's when most of the veterans are racing to get those done if you need to be carried through and you aren't geared up enough. Never do the sortie on Sunday until the reset because one recurring weekly is 30 eximus units or the elite weekly of 100 and there's a chance one of the sortie missions is all eximus units. Also, 2 challenges can be either complete a sortie or 3 for the elite weekly.

[@hartantoanggoro]

Nora Night is heavily inspired by the DJ lady from The Warriors. You all know it boppers, it's the night of the warriors.

[@Finallin]

I think I remember reading that on the wiki, I visited the wikipedia page for it and checked out a clip of the original!

[@hartantoanggoro]

@Finallin even the model and the way of speaking is heavily reminiscent of the DJ, too bad Nora never tell a story after the face reveal. At least she dishes out some hard cold line when we beat The Glassmaker.

[@RealSpaceChild]

remember when started Warframe and saw Nora Night first time I was like that looks and sounds like DJ from The Warriors.

[@Bec-Son]

one wish I would like for Nora's nightwave is the inclusion of mini stories that just appear whenever youre near the nightwave radio. like just her expanding on whats going on in game, like maybe a rumor about lore or expansion on certain characters we havent had the pleasure of ever seeing again

[@agentmaryland1239]

The biggest problem with Battle Passes that Halo: Infinite and Warframe have both managed to avoid (what with Halo: Infinite allowing you to buy Battle Passes you might have missed and letting you work on them literally whenever and for however long you want to, and Warframe making theirs free), is the issue of ownership. You pay whatever up front and despite paying money to access it, you can still lose it all if you can't find the time to grind for it. With most games, even, once it's gone, it's gone. It's never coming back, and even if it does, you'll likely have to pay twice as much or more to access/obtain it. If you pay money to 'access' a Battle Pass, the Battle Pass should never fade away. It should ALWAYS be there once you buy it. If you can't do that, then do what Warframe does; make it free and rotate the items back around after a bit. It's the same crap I am fuming about 'product' ownership when it comes to games, where they want to go digital so they can control how much of the game you can access before yanking it if they stop working on it. The idea of owning only a license KEY when you have likely paid upwards to $60-70, only for the devs to turn around and say "YOINK! We don't want you having access to this anymore. We're taking your money and running." is disgraceful. That'd be like someone paying $45k for a car in FULL and the dealership taking it back because you only bought an access key that they are now revoking.

[@darshans6321]

Honestly I was absolutely shocked when I learnt that it was a free battle pass cuz even paid games have multiple tiers of battle pass

[@szyefan]

0:21 deep rock galactic, in fact it allows to grind previous battlepasses any time im glad to see some user friendly stuff in games

[@albertobiskys]

Guild wars 2 has a 100% free pseudo battlepass, which replaced their former dailies system and it's great. You earn points from objectives (daily, weekly and seasonal) and choose the rewards you want (which refresh with each season), you can also get old cosmetic rewards at any point (though they cost a bit more points than when they were current). You can also choose which type of content you get objectives for (Like pve, pvp...), plus there are special seasonal objectives which tie to current content and events. And the daily objectives are very easy to do and very often overlap in a way that you can work towards 2 or more at the same time.

[@BladeBloodTear]

I like these retrospectives you're giving especially as a new player. Warframe is such a crazy rabbithole of a game that it is interesting to see how a newer player sees some of these moments like the old nightwave series. It's funny too because iirc Nightwave became a thing because DE Steve wanted to make a nemesis system just like in the Shadows or Mordor series, but then realized he couldn't due to the patent Warner bros made on the idea. So it ended up being reworked into the Lich system for the actual boss hunting and the story aspects of the Liches was put into the Nightwave series. Each idea was broken down into each of the series. Series 1 was for chasing down the lich followers and gathering info, Series 2 was for the "truly unique mechanics" each Lich would have, and Series 3 was the detective mode of finding clues to lead up to finding your lich. I still wish we could have seen it fleshed out. Loved the devstreams of DE Steve talking about it back in the day.

[@Finallin]

I enjoy making them! I'm actually a relatively new player when you factor in how long warframe has been around for, so I learn every time I make one of these videos!

[@soulbite4897]

One thing to add to the fact that the series were a resource drain was that it was a resource drain that would be played through and then after that be removed and the work put towards it largely lost.

[@chrisprescott3815]

Very informational and really enjoyed your video layout and progression!

[@Finallin]

Appreciate that! Glad you liked the format!

[@BaeBunni]

As someone that did play during the series. The Series definitely were fun in the beginning and due to the fact it happened during the pandemic and trying to juggle bigger content updates they dragged on way to long and it was honestly a relief that glassmaker ended because I had to take an extended break because of it. From my perspective I think a lot of us miss the initial feeling the series had and basically blocked out the negatives because I'm sure plenty of us ended up dropping warframe for a while till the series ended and an intermission started. I even ended up missing some of the early volumes because glassmaker had me to burned out and only played new war then dropped it again and eventually becoming a daily player again when Zariman was out. overall though the Volumes are a good edition but at the expense of making more content islands because Nitain extract has pretty close to the same drop rate as mods except you need multiplies for crafting, especially for aura forma that need 10.

[@Finallin]

It seems like both the community and DE was burnt out because of series. If they could find a way to regularly incorporate them between content updates again, I think that would be really healthy overall.

[@DwWarWolf]

This was my issue with it. I was just not in a Warframe mode for Glassmaker. I dont like being forced to olay a game when im not feeling it. But the feeling of missing out on all the exclusive gear was equally as bad. Destiny 2 is the absolute worst of this because a full yeaes content, that you even have to pay for, is stripped and stolen away. While yes Warfram's bp is free FOMO sucks period regardless if its monetization based, it's all FOMO. Even though you do have to pay for them I believe Halo Infinite and Helldivers 2 (tba on Marvel Rivals because its up in the air if BP are only indefinite if you bought them when they are released) have actually the best BPs in gaming. I got into Warframe before Nightwave was a thing and so i was able to play though and acquire 99% of the stuff going back to the launch of the game. Stuff like primes had ways around there limited release schedule and isn't something that i have a problem with especially because they've only improved it over the years. But the idea if i was a new player in the 4th nightwave season all i would think is how bad it feels to not be able to engage with the previous 3 seasons. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth even though I lost $0 though it all. You can get all old gear from past seasons in Destiny eventually but you'll never get to engage with the content released (not even counting the actual bp stuff im Destiny seasons) unless you play ever year and sometimes you just dont want to play a game. It drives burnout. I fully believe every single bp should be available to all players, new and old, in every gane they are in.

[@notLura]

Guild Wars 2 has a completely free battlepass since last year, no levels or tiers too just choose your reward

[@nicolinrucker5181]

Series did another thing... they added strong pressure to KEEP playing in order to actually have the story.

[@Finallin]

Double edged sword, but i see what you mean!

[@nicolinrucker5181]

@@Finallin I mostly mean the negative part tbh. I kinda hated feeling I HAD to play the game. If you HAVE to play the game it becomes a chore and then it stops being fun because it's an obligation instead of something you do for fun. Current Nightwave is way better that way, because while there's good rewards, nothing but the mods are not acquirable another way and the mods will come back so like... the Obligation^TM isn't there. Which means I've actually played MORE Warframe since series STOPPED than I did when Series were a thing outside of Series 1, because like... games being obligation makes them take up the same headspace as like, homework. And I can enjoy a class but homework is still something to get out of the way so I can do other stuff or to get done so it's done and I don't have to worry about it. And that just... sucks all the fun out Warframe. Which is sad for me, because I enjoy the core Warframe loop enough that sometimes I will log on, and just, go to the clan dojo and bounce around the entry hall, just have fun with the pure movement system with no pressures.

[@KillerSarcasm284U]

While you were talking about Nightwave, i was all listening to the music you were playing, I love that song!

[@MegaGrassman]

Hold up, Dreamers... Glass resonance in your area

[@jpmorgan6146]

Didn’t even realize with you. Good to see your quality of videos isn’t limited to weapon reviews. Phenomenally done these past few weeks since I’ve found the channel cheers to you

[@Finallin]

Much appreciated! I'm glad you're enjoying it!

[@Arcanidge]

Let's not even mention the eased costs of building a necramech now vs before. It's so easy for new players to get great things than can carry to the end, they juuuust need to recognize it (learn/research)

[@oriondezagrats4228]

For my money, they could've just done one 2- or 3-month unique Series at the beginning of each year, then split the rest of the time between 2-3 Nora's Mix volumes. Honestly it's not like you can't make 1-2 new enemy models, probably with some reused assets adjusted for freshness, and then either make them have to be sought out instead of just randomly invading, and a bunch of issues would be solved. It feels a little like the Leverian problem. We stopped getting it before we could even get a third of the way through all current warframes, though at least they gave _that_ its own little story. In the end, though, Nightwave is a massive improvement over the alternative: Alerts, and having an application on your phone that'll alarm you when a potato, vauban part, nitain, aura, or warframe helm dropped.

[@Flainxps]

0:18 Battle for neighborville (no seriously)

[@kingaxolotl262]

Explain please

[@laneleach]

Only complaint I have with night wave is that we can't go back to past selections. We can go to past investigations, but not past item passes.

[@Atraira]

as someone who loves warframe but doesn't play it that often, I am SO glad they got rid of series. they seem like such a massive FOMO kick in the teeth to anyone who doesn't happen to be playing at the time. i really don't see how anyone could think that a continued allowcation of massive amounts of resources to limited one-off content would be a good idea.

[@thelastprothean2437]

Before Nora, they gave you cosmetics, catalysts, etc. through alerts. Now you have to wait and wait until you get it from Nora. It's much worse, Nora.

[@6zwbob]

alerts lasted for an hour and you had to wait and wait for it to happen and hope you had the game open or an app tracking it and be able to get to a computer in time. nora is much better a whole week to get the rotating stock and stuff like vaub is permeant, unlike the grind of waiting to get the parts from alerts

[@Senban9]

I started playing WF the same week as night wave started. Wolf Fugitives were an absolute menace, they did not care at all about my MR and their ability to bullet sponge every shot I could carry combined with their ability to apply heat procs that could kill me on the first tick was not fun game design. They would show up in most missions, the wolf was even dumber in terms of bullet sponging but much easier to run away from if you didn't have a buch of high MR team mates.

[@SmallishPoppy6]

Nightwave was definitely a nice addition. I remember hating how limiting the “alert” system was as the alerts only lasted an hour and it was a PAIN to get niatan extract. Yes I miss the stories and gee I think that was the last time when I was excited for tomorrow for that game. Until 1999 dropped it kinda rekindled that hype again, however it’s somewhat dying again as eventually you do run out of daily options, I think…. I’ve also had the old stories confuse new players too but that usually ends up with me telling them what happened. Though I was a little MR5 when the wolf was brought in, killed me every time. Now I’m LR3 it doesn’t matter anymore but still. The wolf has burnt into me the sense of RUN!

[@IcyLucario]

Well, "killer" implies other companies are actively looking for some new solution that isn't intentionally exploitive. However, it was still limited time events and FOMO sucks. Glassmaker was cool. I like the little detective mode and... [spoiler ahead, not for the story but for something that gets shown.] ...Seeing Nora's face was surprisingly hype. "Now sing, you bastard."

[@Kazuhira2249]

its simple its easy to rank up, stays long enough to be done passively BUT you can also just rush through it if its going away soo, the only issue with it is that sometimes they take a while for the next acts or intermissions but thats fine imo as the game has regular content updates and nightwave battlepass isnt the main content of the game

[@cloakey1036]

0:18 although it isn't free to play, Deep Rock Galactic. But you can grab it for pretty cheap when it goes on sale.

[@dreamscape8988]

I love the quality of your videos!

[@Finallin]

I appreciate that!

[@CYI3ERPUNK]

nightwave was absolutely a positive upgrade to the previous alert system , also DRG is awesome , ROCK AND STONE

[@Lucas-ro6sz]

Great video! Also with 1999 we essentially got a second free mini battlepass with the calendar system. The devs really do care about the community and it shows. I think warframe has the fairest monetization system in all of gaming and I am happy I started playing this game 5 years ago ❤

[@Finallin]

Thanks for the info!

[@gonzalom-f1113]

i left warframe when all this timed resources started feeling like homework. I miss the time when you could return back to warframe and grind until you had all and any item you wanted. every time I came back felt like i would fall back and never have all the items in the game. even if i come back today there is a lot in the game that is time gated and it makes me feel like i will always be less then some players who get to play more then me. I played for 4 years and i became a dad through this time. I played this game to forget about the normal like and at some point I was chasing the time gated items more than playing the parts of the game i wanted. I know you don't need a lot of this items to played end game but sure makes you feel good having them.

[@Giffsen]

" and it makes me feel like i will always be less then some players who get to play more then me." Warframe was always about playing at your own pace tbh, no one is competing to be the "best" or anything, reason why they tried to do PvP a couple times and it always flops. And no, they never made old stuff totally obsolete (Unless we count Kuva/Tenet weapons, which are improved versions of the base ones and incarnons, which can be purchased if you don't want to grind the circtuit. I understand your overall point, but picking Warframe of all games for this argument is kinda wrong.

[@Foxtrot10195]

I wish the wolf would spawn like the stalker and the grustrag/ zanuka. Would be nice to have a new "hunter" hunting for us. Seeing as he literally does exactly that. And he also has a beacon. So I still don't understand why DE didn't make that a thing, yet gave him his own beacon to spawn in.

[@oldtimegames96]

There is no motive for the Wolf to spawn. Like, what would be the trigger event? G3 and zanuka has their trigger set on invasions, stalker on bosses. Where do you set a trigger for Wolf without creating some new enemy class?

[@stunytsuR]

I've been with warframe since day one and took a break for a couple of years. I finally came back and am loving it

[@Archy871]

Did you complete the New War Part 3 yet? Nightwave and its host Nora Knight actually play a massive part in the explanation of whats going on post bad ending. Giving the drifter his name and following his progress against the Archons.

[@Sandro_de_Vega]

I'm sad too that there is no story anymore. But i understand it. DE for many years now try to avoid FOMO. And series were fomo generator in purest form. Now when someone ask "what is this nightwave" you have to say something like "its a battle pass, years ago there were stories, but they ended and now you can just look summary of them". Every type of operation that had unique rewards were later change into less story driven activity, and rewards were push somewhere. Great example is Ignis wraith. First it was reward for 10% best clans in some old as dinosaurs operation/event. Bc of this limits people who could buy those BP just give it for free or small fee for everyone who asked. But many years later it was given to baroo shop. And they were mad. And more mad when DE removed posibility of selling this BP. To avoid scaming people. AND EVEN MOAR MADE when DE give this BP to any clan that reach lvl 10. Other expamles? I took part in operation orphix. And i grind Cedo(multiple) and Lavos. Later it was thrown into hallowen store. And later it was given to i believe Father on deimos and i think those BP cannot be selled anymore. Also glassmaker thing can be obtained every week from Nora and you can get his weapon without participating in his years ago ended series. So DE tries to remove content that is one thing only. And turn it into "everyone can get it by themselves, even if its slightly grindy".

[@Perseverance-redefined]

If only half of the challenges weren't such a PAIN😩😫

[@fppritpfrdritp3678]

the master chief collections Battle pass system is also FIRE

[@BloodKitten_]

season 2 started with friendly follower of arlos spawn in order to revive the player and fight for a short duration, those guys are not really in game other then codex or simulacrum, but all that effort for side content was not really worth it. with wolf, people were a bit upset it could come in any grineer mission and just be a damage spong alongside the 3 convicts spawning to keep him invunrable so it made chill games into a slog, same with random enemies that might catch you not ready or enemies that are invunrable unless you shoot hard to see at the time glass spots. some content stuck around, like the infested boss fight with a lantern, but the wolf is a mixed bag for players, on one hands, you want the wolf for the melee weapon chance, on the other, people would hate you for spawning it because its that much of a pain to deal with its damage limit, i wish the fight to kill the weakend version would stay on as a node and give players with wolf becons a refunt using the current nightwave credits.

[@Iron_Cutlass]

I really, really do miss the old Series system. While I understand why it had to leave, being that it slowed down other areas of the game, I loved the idea of things happening in the WF universe that alongside the main stories, it also felt like there was just more personality with Nightwave compared to now. I do hope DE eventually decides to revisit this idea or getting a specific team to handle Nightwave separately from the main-game content.

[@SuperHexer123]

So I've been around for all the nightwaves, and I will preface I loved the story aspect of the original and would love to see them back, however I feel in some cases people are looking at them with rose tinted glasses. During the Series, there would usually be side stuff happening and because of that the community would always be hit with "series fatigue". It was always cool and hype when a new series started, but after the story was fully wrapped up, and we were still MONTHS into it you would see "can this just END please" posts everywhere. Part of the problem was it would sidetrack missions in pugs where one player might be done and not have to worry about the side objectives, but someone else may need to complete it for standing so they end up forcing the mission out longer potentially. Also there was the Wolf.....oh lord the wolf, he was (and still is) a pain when he would spawn in a mission. So much so if you look at his page on the wiki you can see constant nerfs to just how tanky he is. Back in the day you could extend a mission up to 10+ minutes on JUST trying to take him out. Nowadays hes a bit more manageable, but some people still like to throw him out as a troll in SP missions, because the modifiers make him insane lol. All in all, it just led people to getting tired of the side stuff, whereas the current nightwaves don't really intrude on missions in a way that can hamper progress or other people. People mainly just get tired of a long nightwave now once you stop getting rewards and you've been getting nothing but creds lol. Granted while it would be nice to see Story nightwaves return, I think DE would have to slightly alter them to help on the whole fatigue issue. Glassmaker was definitely one of my favorites as it started as a pure mystery and was played as a whodunnit, until we got the reveal of a whole new orokin and Nora lore. I actually still have a pile of cred from every single nightwave since Wolf that kinda act as a lil trophies.

[@piterrospl9512]

Extra small thing I love about NW is how accessible it is, especially to new players. Battle passes are usually very grindy and the further you are, the better loot you get (and more currency). In Warframe, NW instead frontloads the currency - giving you 150 from the first level, which is like 3 normal rewards. Not only does it allow you to get good stuff right from the get-go, but for new players especially, it allows them to get Vauban and a reactor, which is amazing. The only thing missing from NW is story, but honestly, I'd rather they make amazing permanent content than temporary content that ends when NW season ends. Events used to be fun, but unfortunately new players can't enjoy them anymore as much. So I'm very happy with NW as it is.

[@TheSleepyGoblin]

Great video, very well formulated and entertaining.

[@Finallin]

Much appreciated!

[@84m30]

It’s a shame the Nightwave story went away. I know realistically this allows them to make more consistent big updates like we’ve had over the last 3-4 years, but the smaller scale side stories that Nightwave told we’re always fun

[@optimal_adrenal6569]

I do miss these. I was only able to play glassmaker and I loved it. I joined during it, and I remember power leveling my mastery like no tomorrow just to be able to use Vitrica. Still use it to this day. But I think for the team, the need to build these stories takes away their ability to go full throttle on expansions like New War and 1999, which were both stellar. I’m ok with this change, even though I do wish we could have our cake and eat it too.

[@hakai1014]

The decision to not add a “paid” battle pass is a historic moment from a free game that doesn’t feel like its forcing you to pay.

[@drep8840]

oneshoting the wolf with ash and a hammer was so funny bonk crunch ded (he was scalling off the old steelpath so very hard to kill )

[@jakubkotowicz638]

To be fair i think i understand why they removed series, on top of manpower issues, DE showed time and time again they are not fond of limited time content, and efectivly they want to keep evertything for everyone so people playing the game don't feel forced to play due to Fomo and new players don't feel like they missed too much by joining late, the game is over 10 year yet you can still acess everything to some extend, so while it was interesting concept i think i preffer it that way with Volumes

[@spikethewolf9869]

I have seen two games do a completely free battle pass, one being Warframe and the other being Gears 5 which released September 10th 2019. Gears 5 had a similar structure for its battle pass, it's called the Tour of Duty. It's entirely FREE, you get four daily challenges that are extremely simple, two of the challenges can be done in any game mode in the game, one that is exclusive to multiplayer and the fourth challenge can only be done in the PVE modes like Horde and Escape mode. Each tier would need a certain amount of stars to rank up to the next and they increase how many stars per tier, the challenges would give you a range of two starts up to four stars depending on the "difficulty" of the challenge. Since now Gears 5 is currently in maintenence mode, the game has permanent double xp but they call it boost, the boost doubles the stars you gain from the challenges so you can complete the Tour of Duty's faster forever. The difference is that you can spend money if you really want, you can buy Iron and use the iron to reroll your challenges, you get one free reroll daily then after that it's 10, 20, 30, 40, and then 50. It stays at 50 until the daily reset, but you can also earn iron from the Tour of Duty with varying amounts but the minimum a tier can give you is 50 iron, later in the TOD you'll get higher amounts so you could save up iron from a previous Tour of Duty and then use that iron on the challenges for the next Tour of Duty. I really really REALLY hope that the next Gears game (Gears of War: E Day) keeps the same battle pass system they had for Gears 5.

[@phantomspider89]

Deep Rock Galactic: i’m standing right here

[@slimeblue4873]

I do kind of wish we'd get a return of Nightwave Series'. I feel like there's a lot of potential for story telling by letting players do mini missions based on things like the Rhino Prime Codex entry.

[@trexalaxion8485]

My best and at the same time worst memory from the Wolf of Saturn series was encountering a fully jacked up wolf while leveling up our weakest frames/weapons on hydron. The amount of movement and kiting we as a squad had to do while being assaulted by grineer AND keeping the objective alive was very stressful but also oddly satisfying. It was a challenge for sure but taking down Wolf was a real achievement as well.

[@wolfgang6442]

Me personally when first started doing nightwave i was pretty lost for it was still around the time of the glassmaker series where we had to look around for clues and all that shit whixh then de removed and its now a way to earn rewards, cosmetics, amd resources that wouldnt be found in the regular star chart like nitain extract and buy it up wit the nightwave credits you get from doing said challenges and ranking yourself up through the rewards also spend said credits before it ends for they're no longer usable once a new season starts but aye i been completed the curent nightwave which is stalker themed

[@SSoul0]

Me learning today that Nora's Nightwave is a battlepass...

[@julio1759]

Warframe and Deep Rock Galactic *aggressive high five*

[@ZxosGamer]

A vet. here, when it first came out, Wolfie was good (you hear Wolf's howl = locked-in); but as time goes on, it's getting 1. repetitive 2. FOMO hard due to the rewards being tied to specific NW, meaning that when it's gone, IT'S GONE FOREVER (they're mostly cosmetics but still) = it had become chores rather than side contents (Also no _RECOVERED_ at the time) 3. Quality dropped after the Glass Maker (I still remembered how much PAIN it had cost me to find THE GOD DAMN CLUES ON CETUS CRIME SCENE)

[@shotgun6X]

Nightwave (The Glassmaker) might very well have been what kept me going in those early years. I would have never had a way to get a free Warframe slot otherwise. Also it's how I got Vauban, my second frame and still one of my favorites to this day

[@_Sky_Rox_]

I really miss the series from NW. Wolf of Saturn Six was so fun and I was excited for every story update. Seeing him in Khal's missions was a pleasent suprise. Wolf work same as Stalker, Zanuka and G3 but he was far more tanky, had crazier damage and was also pretty aggresive, the threat finally felt real after one shoting Stalker for 100th time. You're playing through your regular mission when you suddenly hear that howl and you just know you're in a serious danger. Other 2 were also fun and unique in their own ways, but Wolf still remains my favorite. I'm still hoping one day DE decides to bring back series in NW and one of them continues the story of Wolf

[@MB-sq7yn]

I also miss the actual stories from early Nightwave, Glassmaker was a bit tedious sure but man the Emissary was really interesting, and the cult is something I've always wanted to see make a larger return beyond one boss fight.

[@TarynBeeswax]

Nightwave is kinda like a battlepass, only it'll take you about two months at the slowest to complete it and you can spend the rest of the year just getting tokens for a shop, as opposed to other battlepasses I've seen where you're expected to grind out day after day after day to just maybe get half of the items by the time the battlepass ends. *COUGH dauntless fortnite apex rocket league COUGH*

[@sheepersouls9898]

The wolf season was pretty great I miss the good old screams of terror from the wolf of saturn six showing up before punching me through a wall

[@dogbone10]

To answer the question at the start, Deep Rock Galactic. You can't put money into the pass at all, and you can go back to old passes to finish them up if you wanted to 100% the game.

[@MorklebBlack]

I really enjoyed the content in the old Nora stories, but I completely understand why they cut it in favor of other things. Now, with 1999, there's another weekly battle pass thing that allows you to get some items that are usually plat only. Lots to do.

[@denisvezijak9219]

Nightwave replaced Alerts. And added new content (story) Per day you could get 3x per day Nitain in Alerts which was frustrating.

[@blorkflorkernorp9773]

The Nightwave assignments keep me going and doing stuff when I'm between major quests and don't really know what to do next.

[@_castro]

3:42 i still remember, i was still a novice player during the Wolf's pass - got whooped by him! Recently, as i came back to the game, i bought the wolf beacon with Nora...but he didn't spawn. I still wait to get my revenge ahahaha (i got to win against him during a Kahl mission, but my Tenno still seeks revenge..)

[@TagUrIt740]

He always showed up when u had rank 0 weapons lol

[@BuenDude]

The thing is that people often forget is that DE isn't this super big studio with tons of money. They're a medium sized team running one of (if not the most) fair free to play game.

[@seafighter4]

While the nightwave seasons were cool, they were essentially a way to drip feed story. It certainly didn't leave such a big impact as the main story quests did, neither on me, nor the community at large. So, while I sympathize with the pain when looking at all the dropped systems that no longer see recurring development, Nightwave seasons are on the bottom of my list. That said, I really think DE needs to put systems in place to let players experience temporary story steps. Over the years, DE has added many time-limited events with story attached to them, even before Nightwave came out. All those events are lost to time.

[@ryugichan]

warframe now has 2 free battle passes Nightwave and 1999 calendar !

[@darkmagnet2866]

keep- it up brother ur contend will olny grow from here i like ur layout

[@Finallin]

Appreciate the support!

[@tyberiousTem]

Uh. I have been playing warframe for a while and I didn’t even know it had a battle pass

[@FulfillMyWill]

Still remember The Wolf of Saturn Six ruining my defense sessions when I was Low MR (started playing March 2019). There was no realistic way for the new player to kill him and the defense wave won't be counted as completed while the wolf is still alive.

[@Opoliner]

As someone that played from before the second dream until the new war, the nightwave was looked at as negative a bit. The first iteration pretty much made you grind everyday to complete it. Then they made it better over time. Also the story for them wasn't that great because you had to wait weeks at times for new updates. I'm glad they removed it and made it better.

[@livingalife8879]

No lies detected Warframe devs have done it again! Really love the community and system they have to make money (and it works)

[@voldtitan1284]

0:44 2019!? Holy shit can't believe its been that long

[@johndxdxd]

Given you have reviewed the history of primed chamber and nightwave, I would recommend reviewing the (short) history of Dizzying Rounds. It was available only twice in warframes history, the first being in Nightwave series 3 Glassmaker and then it reappeared all the way after in Noras mix part 6 (around ~3 years+). Between January 2021 which is when Glassmaker ended and May 2024 (right before mix 6 came out) the price of that mod rose extremely high and I remember seeing trading chat offers of 100 to 120 platinum for this specific mod. Then it came out with the new nightwave mix and the price dropped again to around 15 to 20 platinum (as of december 2024)