Kenne Bll 3.6 vs VMP 2.65

No hype, misinformation, opinions on rotating mass, phony weights or skewed tunes and dyno tests. Just the real data, without all the variables, directly from the Kenne Bell Supercharger Dyno about what really matters in Supercharger Efficiency - Parasitic Loss (engine HP wasted in turning supercharger) and Exit Air Charge Temps. In this case, a whopping 50HP and 55° better. And much more believable data to come from the Kenne Bell Supercharger and Chassis Dynos, Air Flow and Fuel Flow Benches.

[@tomkjr1]

Way to call VMP on their claims. You done well Kenne Bell!

[@Hanibul_Lecktor]

VMP: I fear all we have done is waken a sleeping giant.

[@69BigLou]

Mic drop! Get more vids out there KB!

[@jonS-42]

I have the old school 1.7 liter on my 2v and I had to get parts from kenne bell. They were awesome to deal with and very helpful. Plus they had everything I needed for a blower that they have long since retired. Great company. Just needs to update their website so we can buy online!

[@screamingsvtcobra6220]

Just got my 2.2 back from KB from a complete overhaul and couldn’t be happier with the service i received from you guys . Thanks for everything

[@mmorgan901]

Do you still have the 2.2?

[@Michael-qp3ei]

I know this is an old thread ,I love my 2.2 kb,can I ask how much was the overhaul?

[@MikeWolf-427]

Love it! I really want to see more KB content!

[@willsam6243]

As a KB2.6H owner I'm really interested in the content as well. Seems like theres a lot of negative comments about KB blowers out there referencing that there in efficient due to extreme heat that they generate compared to a 2.3 VMP.

[@christenn32]

@@willsam6243 that's because there are a lot of VMP fanboys out there. Every hotrodder knows KB is a hell of a power adder.

[@mach183]

chris r they been in the game for 30 years and there website is very Informative

[@mikehigby7897]

@@willsam6243 the roots style always has and always be a hotter running, less efficient design. Who wants a blower that gives a bigger bang down low but no efficiency up top? How will that pan out on a high revving ford v8?

[@6ixspeedstang186]

Where’s the supercharger for the 2018 and up mustangs????? Been waiting on y’all for like 3 years now.

[@fbanda20]

KB has been around a long time they know their stuff. All the other guys just been marketing a lot better.

[@P71ScrewHead]

Everybody likes new, they think new means better.. That's not always true..

[@SK8rforalmost27]

Great content! Couldn't have thought of a better way to respond to the competitors video

[@frozenstang3868]

Honestly dont know wtf vmp was thinking, no way KB is going to sit back and let that slide. VMP hurt themselves more than helped.

[@ThaSilentOne420]

Only brand i would look at or consider outside of KB is Whipple

[@Dfour]

VMP getting handled, professionally

[@MegaMma4life]

Ahahahaha vmp blower kicks the shit out of almost everything kb makes the 3.6 makes less power then the 2.65 lmfap your comparing a blower that's 1 liter bigger lmfao Kenny bell so but hurt

[@Dfour]

@@MegaMma4life so this guy with all the dyno and data sheets proving you wrong lied in this video? Lol you're probably a na 2v owner

[@Mr.Beastforpresident]

@@MegaMma4life😂😂😂😂 tell me you don’t own a KB without telling me

[@P71ScrewHead]

@@Dfour Hey man, what's wrong with the 4.6L 2v?? These 2v have made 500rwhp n/a plenty of times..

[@Dfour]

@@P71ScrewHead n/a? Lol show me 1

[@justa5oh136]

Mike as always with the great customer support

[@josephdirte9015]

"Sourced" 😂😂

[@Dana-sb6ik]

Great video! I wish you would show the supercharger dyno being mounted with both and live video of the data. Again, great video and thank you!

[@mbizzle03]

I've been waiting for this... and I was not disappointed

[@brentrichards1200]

I absolutely loved my Kenne Bell Blowzilla on my 99 GT. Now, I'm looking out for a KB for my 19 GT.

[@KeyboardWarrior101st]

Keep up the myth busting. Too many people make videos without anyone actually testing anything.

[@megaboom69]

I'd go with a kenne bell supercharger over a vmp

[@mgerren88]

I have the 2.2L kb on my termi still...do you guys offer any upgrades or different pullies still for this blower...love the feel an immediate torque for these old school smaller blowers..just need more pulley ootions

[@Kb_2v]

Damn!!! Kb for the win

[@stevehall6539]

Now this is good content ! Love it .

[@justa5oh136]

Kb ftw. Baddest supercharger around.

[@anselgrose4834]

How about a 2.8/3.2 KB comparison to the 2.65R VMP?

[@tomcronininc]

Right? Why not go displacement for displacement and boost for boost

[@christenn32]

Because VMP specifically pointed out the 3.6.

[@tomcronininc]

Would sil like to see that comparison

[@mach183]

tomcronininc go on the website

[@02autogt]

Because the KB wouldn't compare, just like the Whipple, size for size....

[@TheKnightWolfen]

I've always liked Kenne Bell... but if we want to see real differences, then somebody should do a real world comparison test. Dyno #'s are just #'s... put em on the track, side by side, equal engine mods with different supercharger and let's see who comes out on top. That's what I'd like to see more than anything else... hype, claims, #'s... all just nonsense. Quarter mile timeslips don't lie!!

[@justinwalker3374]

VMP doesnt even make their own blowers. Their solution to installing their 2.65 on my Cobra and clearing the coolant crossover tube is to beat the tube with a hammer , i dont think so. Way to go KB , put out more videos. I cant wait to get my 2.2 back from its refresh.

[@mikehigby7897]

I have the 2.6 competition series and my only complaint is IAT's from heat soak. The 3/4" coolant inlets really hold back from allowing bigger intercooler pumps like the EMP Stewart, from doing their job.

[@justin.c_svt]

Nice calm way to combat your rivals claims. I bought the 2.65 for my cobra and I am happy with the VMP stuff, but I also enjoy watching the whipple and Kenne Bell stuff as well. I think they all do impressive things. I will listen to each sides explanations. I believe Justin at VMP was mostly upset from KB owners who were bashing the VMP so he made his video in defense. Great video.

[@Mantzen]

I have a 2017 Mustang GT premium on 93 oct 6r80 with the VMP 2.65 Supercharger with dyno jet of 735rwhp 567 lbsfttrq

[@stephanM5]

Now this is the kind of information that I enjoy watching as it dispels the false advertising claims of a competitor with facts instead of hype.

[@darrenmcfeaters6683]

Strange how a company known for making great blowers is getting called out by a company that doesnt make them. At least KB has actual data compared to none that vmp shared.

[@hammerdowngt5004]

I love my KenneBell 3.6 polished but it locked up! Something got in it somehow... it’s been perfect! I have a piston coming apart on #8 cyl. lil pieces of the piston smashed a plug , I replaced and made sure the cylinder was empty. Can was fine and at low rpms it just squealed then locked! I thought it was my engine! Pulled it off and seen where something got in it but don’t know how!! I need a vid on splitting the case open! This was not a KenneBell issue! KB was a perfect beast always! 812 hp

[@CAVERUNLAKE]

Keene Jim Bell has the absolute best customer service I have ever dealt with

[@Nicecardude100]

Kenne Bell is the best twin screw supercharger fact . Look at how long they been around.

[@bubbafinch07]

I love the drama as much as the next guy, but I went to a lot of the Fun Ford races growing up, and watching the Lightning class and Johnny Lightning, as well as all of the other killer classes was a helluva of a fun time. Hearing the Johnny Lightning name brought that back for me. Good times. Outside of Mod Nationals, are there any other Ford races around these days?

[@crodrc51able]

Hooah to proper testing. Hey, they were the choice for the top blower on the GT500 Super Snakes! 🇺🇸👍💪🦅

[@scottross8854]

I have the KB 2.8 LC on my 2015 Mustang GT PP1. What's a realistic horse power, torque rating and boost level?

[@FMP6969]

Awesome video thanks

[@ranware2779]

Why are you guys not on the scene for 18+ mustangs? What's going on with you guys?

[@TheRebelyell666]

I have a stock 14 6.2 do I want the 3.6 or 2.8..what mods do I need for these??

[@rggt6225]

What would happen if vmp would make a 3.6 L blower? VMP 3.6 vs KB 3.6?

[@darrenmcfeaters6683]

When are you going to respond to that 2.8 to 2650 comparison?

[@LearnSomethingHelpful]

Wish your website worked, I was looking for more info

[@CheesusSVT]

Didnt know Kenne Bell had a youtube. Subbed!

[@Nick-1992-SRB]

Big displacement blowers from KB and no supercharger makes a better whine sound under the hood than KB. 💪🏼💪🏼

[@mgrindstaff1]

Just check out my KB powered new edge this things rips ......love KB power nice video

[@markbrouk7857]

I have a 03 terminator with a 2.8lc kenne bell making 750hp 700tq to the tires. Fun car.

[@mmorgan901]

How long have you had it?

[@eddiearchuleta615]

Mike is the man!!!!

[@mikz86ta1]

Is the new F150 kit compatible on a Gen 1 Coyote F150 (2013)?

[@pocajonta46]

Thank you why you don't sell 3.6 for Mustang cobra thank you

[@1slow5.03]

The bigger the blower the less down low power you have but your peek power will be higher the vmps 2650. I personally like s smaller displacement supercharger. .

[@mach183]

Kenne bell multiple Texas mile cars and titles lol 😂

[@medardovega5664]

Interesting facts

[@utahcountypicazospage5412]

It depends were in the rpm you want the power also spinning rotors faster creates heat I would like to see back to back passes 6 from each supercharger and see who still makes power at the end of those six passes it would be more real world that would show who has a better total design including intercooler one glory run means nothing

[@mbarjas]

Dear the head of kennebell the 3.2 supercharger its very nice for f150 5.0 2018+2019 but i have one idea about the air intake on maxico and Middle East very very hot and the place of air intake Side the engine and no cover for the intake and I think its very bad IAT and too much heat the 3.2 btween the whipple new 3.0 and 2.9 for new coyote s you need a biger intercooler for supercharger please i like kb and we need a biger one love kb hope you lisen 💙

[@ztwntyn8]

Hell yeah

[@coyotekelly7143]

Why do I never see anyone running a KB over any TVS? No offense but i never see a street car running a KB these days.

[@jplperformance9073]

I need a KB for my 3800 V6 PLEASE

[@chrism.728]

Would love to see Kenne Bell compare a blower of similar displacement to VMP's Gen 3R or Odin to actually see which blower design is actually more efficient at making power. Of course a 3.6L blower is going to make more power, and it doesn't have to spin as fast.

[@darrenmcfeaters6683]

By design the twin acrew is more efficient to the vmp roots style. Vmp doesn't make the rotor pack eaton does. Magnusen makes the cases. The 3.2 Kenne bell is better and lighter than the 2650 tvs. TVs is limited by size and rpm.

[@chrism.728]

@@darrenmcfeaters6683 By design the twin screw is only more efficient than old 3 lobe Eaton rotor pack. The current Eaton rotor pack that they use is more efficient than a twin screw if comparing by equal or similar displacement. Most consumers are looking for superchargers in the small blower market (3.0L & smaller), which doesn't require a built engine. The Eaton based TVS blower make great power and torque, and more than capable of pushing stock internals well past their limit. No need to go bigger on displacement. Not everyone is looking to build an engine. There's also no proof that the 3.2L KB is more efficient. VMP already proved that the 2.8L KB can't match their 2.65L TVS in efficiency and power. The only way the KB can win this argument is to go up on displacement.

[@NateRider]

World records. Fastest blown cars. Shelby super snake and shelby 1000 equipped. Better looking and sounding. Multiple options for displacements. The list goes on and on. KB is the best 🙌🏼 i got dyno sheets and facts to prove it on my channel. 1050rwhp shelby gt500, something that vmp cant do like KB

[@rfor7471]

Arent you that guy who puts out crank wheel horsepower for click bait... 😂😂😂🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@ElijahWash]

A 2650 TVS made 1250whp on a gt500. Let me see a comparable KB do that.

[@mikeianno]

John lund made 1290 whp on his gt 500. A strong setup but not max effort with a 2650.

[@rfor7471]

@@mikeianno don't try to make sense with these guys. They have no clue and KB feeds them junk information. Guy makes 1050 on a 3.6 and acts like hes a world beater. 2.65 does that in its sleep. The 2.3 was making over 1k hp years ago.

[@darrenmcfeaters6683]

@@rfor7471 wrong. Apparently you didnt watch the video. Says Johnnie lightning car making over 1500whp with 3.6. Wheres the vmp at making that?

[@norvlak160]

Yea I look at VMP differently now

[@tristansmirnow850]

Two of my favorite root style supercharger company's going at it....now I get to see which one Is best for my pick lol with these upcoming comparison testing

[@mikeianno]

Pd blower companies, one is roots, other is screw

[@malloymotorsports780]

are you guys still in business. I keep calling with no answer.

[@Tstaten4]

Talk that shit Kenne Bell!!!

[@mustangmark2606]

Whipple sitting back just eating popcorn

[@chesspiece81]

I wish KB offered more superchargers for GM LS and LT platform.

[@racytech8068]

Waiting for this shutdown to pass so I can send in my 2.8LC.

[@ElijahWash]

RACY TECH why are you sending it in?

[@sweetcheels]

I see a lot of people in the comments dont know the meaning of efficiency.

[@ViperMods_216]

Vmp is like the matco of the blower world nothing but rebranded stuff other companies engineered. But will stand on it like its thier own

[@Morte_Deus]

VMP just got Bitch smacked by a gentleman.

[@zero-fg1012]

Kenne bell blowers all day! The big chrome intake tube is the only thing I've ever thought like why? Someone make a carbon fiber one or PVC even?

[@anthonylaudano9751]

Question how much power can my KENNY BELL 2.8 blower make in my 2010 supersnake

[@lexustech48]

Careful what you wish for KB. Eaton TVS 3100 about gap your product stack while fitting under the stock hood without needing lowering mounts or K-frame spacers.

[@stepside2839]

So far, the testing on the 3.1L TVS has not shown a big enough power boost as anticipated. Hmmm, remains to be seen 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@frozenstang3868]

Honestly i think it was really petty of VMP to put that video out. Not the right way to do business imho.

[@429mas]

again your comparing apples to oranges i think what people really want to know is rotor pack efficiency how does a 6x4 KB screw compressor stack up against 4x4 TVS blower with equal displacement liters until not convinced the KB rotor technology is more efficient

[@smokeum12]

They are just responding to the claims VMP made... they are the ones that compared it to the 3.6

[@mach183]

Did you. Not see the dyno graph ?

[@mikeianno]

The screw stuff isnt close. 2.6 kb would never come close to 1300 whp. I dont even know if 900 whp was ever made with a 2.6 kb. The 2.65 tvs has broken 1300 whp and might break 1400 one day

[@darrenmcfeaters6683]

@@mikeianno that tvs was maxed out at 28psi and that's making all kinds of heat spinning that fast and isnt very efficient.

[@429mas]

@@darrenmcfeaters6683 yeah but that's a size issue not a rotor pack efficiency issue two different things

[@cbrpwr]

Kb vs whipple ?

[@justa5oh136]

cbrpwr both bad ass. Kenne bell more efficient Whipple looks better

[@utahcountypicazospage5412]

I don’t know I think whipple for the win

[@mach183]

Kenne bell hold the record for fastest modular ford ..... multiple Texas mile records as well

[@anthonylaudano9751]

Also SHELBY AMERICAN TOP MOD ON MY SUPER SNAKES IS THE KENNY BELL.SO IF IT WASN'T A GREAT BLOWER SHELBY AMERICAN WOULDN'T PUT IT IN THERE SUPER SNAKES.THE BADDEST BLOWER FOR THE BADDEST MUSCLE CAR EVER.

[@tylerolson5860]

How about KenneBell get their crap together and offer a blower for the 2018+ gen3 Coyote.......Cmon whats the hold up!?

[@moeslide897]

You know all coyote motor bolt pattern are the same right manifold for manifold

[@tylerolson5860]

@@moeslide897 You need to get with the times. KenneBell has an inverted blower prototype but has yet to be released thats why i said 2018 gen3 + blower kit. ALL the gen3 blowers are inverted except the junk roush with the tiny heat exchanger. Whipple = inverted. Edlebrock = inverted. VMP Odin = Inverted see thw trend? KB had their inverted prototype on their facebook but i havnt heard a peep about it in a long time. KB needs to get with the program and release the inverted blower. Whipple has a 3.8 coming soon for the gen3 coyote too.

[@lexustech48]

They cant get that shit to fit under the hood

[@Wilsonandcars]

VMP is not claiming bigger isn’t better. From how I understand it they are saying it takes your 3.6 to out do the 2.65 or to match it. With that said I don’t see a 2.65 making 1500, 1300s yeah but not 1500. So what I gather from VMP is that your rotor design and so on is not as efficient as theirs at the same blower size. Your 2.6 or 3.2 does not perform as well as the 2.65 , but your 3.6 does eventually the bigger size is going to take over. Also they are comparing boost for boost and not rotor rpm vs rotor rpm which they should be doing.

[@ElijahWash]

Wilsonandcars somebody with common sense. A 2.8lc from KB would never make 1300whp even on its best day.

[@mikeianno]

Exactly what does a 2.6 kb make 800 whp. Has one ever hit 900whp. When people say the screw blowers are more efficient i just laugh. If they were so efficient why do you need 3.6, 3.8 or 4+ liter blowers to equal or beat a 2.65 tvs. Short answer tvs rotors are more efficient.

[@darrenmcfeaters6683]

@@mikeianno incorrect. You comments make no sense since you knowledge on superchargers is lacking.

[@darrenmcfeaters6683]

@@ElijahWash so an overspinning tvs is better why does eaton list the rotor pack rpm limit is 18000tpms?

[@darrenmcfeaters6683]

@@ElijahWash why do the fastest cars have kenne bell?

[@djh-zf2hi]

Why don't you compare litre vs litre...

[@Kb_2v]

They’re comparing the same 2 that vmp did. That’s why, you need to look it up this video is in response to vmp claiming they’re 2.65 is more efficient than the kb 3.6.

[@tomcronininc]

@@Kb_2v I would also like to see this

[@crownvictorialifestyle4421]

@@Kb_2v vmp started this by using there 2.65 vs kb 3.6 Vmp throw the first punch

[@bobbyblazeit]

@@crownvictorialifestyle4421 where is vmps video?

[@mikeianno]

Liter to liter would be silly, the tvs would wreck the screw blower. What does a 2.6 kb make, maybe 800 whp. A 2.65 tvs has made over 1300 whp

[@rfor7471]

Wow, I cant wait to see your supercharger dyno perform in the quarter mile! I didnt realize superchargers can run without an engine and platform! You should probably actually use a VMP supercharger to compare. Funny how you dont actually compare a VMP Gen 3r to your 2.8. Also waiting on one of your non 4+ liter blowers to run a 7 in the quarter...

[@calvinmauney5669]

VMP made the inaccurate post about the comparison between the blowers. I love both blowers but vmp just reached 7s. Rebecca Starkey has came close.

[@rfor7471]

Rebecca starkey and others are already in the 7s. There's at least 3 or 4 of them now. Could be more because this was back in November.

[@calvinmauney5669]

@@rfor7471 when rebecca reach 7s? And not hating on Vmp I ran a ported 2.3 for 3years from them and did the job. But Keene Bell and whipple are superior because of size and efficiency

[@rfor7471]

@@calvinmauney5669 back in january. Others were running 7s last November at mod nationals. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHjdaYGomr56ba8

[@mikeianno]

@@calvinmauney5669 they might make more power because of size but they are not as efficient. A 2.6 kb would get wrecked by a 2.65 vmp 3r. Kb and whipple both need considerably more displacement to beat the tvs

[@n2osrt4]

Funny how you just stand there and talk instead of putting a car on the dyno.

[@BULLDOGHOTSHOT1]

So why is it that kenne bells website gives false advertising on the operation of your blowers? Your website says your superchargers spin in the opposite direction of a roots supercharger and compresses the air in-between the rotors... So why is the pulley on the right rotor? Just like the vmp roots blowers? Because they spin the same direction, and operate the same way, just one looks different. I personally don't trust your company or anything you tell the consumer... Zero proof or testing shown to anyone... Dataloging and dynoing on the same motor with comparable blows would be nice... It's show your blows are have less adiabatic efficiency.

[@mikehigby7897]

It's funny when people think an already inferior roots style design with smaller displacement will outperform a superior twin screw design with larger rotors and more displacement. Don't buy into marketing and don't waste you're money on a VMP

[@02autogt]

At the end of the day nothing can match the Eaton rotor design size for size. Nothing against any manufacturer. Each has their place and Whipple seems to have the most reliability issues from what I see online....

[@darrenmcfeaters6683]

Incorrect. Eaton makes good oem quality superchargers. They are limited to 18000rpm according to their website and also shows map compressor showing its efficiency.

[@michaeltoscano4491]

While I enjoy the power of my VMP 2.3 Gen2R, I seriously regret not getting the 2.8 or 3.6LC for my 5.0. I bought into the youtube hype with all the soy boy youtubers getting "free" VMP blowers on their cars and then promoting them. I thought I was going to get great customer service with VMP. Service was terrible in reality. Too many issues. They literally just modify the case and inlet of a Roush and use Eatons rotors. There are no real engineers who design anything for them. I've seen tons of their "upgrade tests" where they increase boost to get their desired results and then don't disclose it. They attribute power gains to greater blower efficiency or whatever other magic when in alot of scenarios, it's simply not the case. If I ever get another blower, itl be a Kenne Bell.

[@mach183]

Vmp just announced they FAILED there 3.1 lol 😂

[@roush0741]

Do similar leader superchargers same boost same day uncut video show all the data of locking timing dinosaurs show that the dinosaur's not being manipulated all-in-one uncut video it might be long but both companies should do this and prove the truth

[@speedfreak9863]

Vmp is misleading, I bought the Gen 2 when it came out for my gt500 with the ported elbow , smallest pulley ,10% over drive and 67mm throttle body plugs a jlt intake and I made 100hp off of what they claimed. I had to get it Dyno tuned at Blow by racing to be able to hit the numbers they claimed with the basic kit none of the extras I got.

[@roush0741]

Yes you're comparing a blower that was 2 generations ago compare your closest leader blower newest version of it to the newest version of VMP The Gen 3r or the odin Don't cut the video show me the timing locked show me the boost on an uncut video on the same day same vehicle under under multiple polls and prove the point I don't want to see graphs on a cut video I want to see true data On a uncut video Locking the timing show me all the dinosaurs settings show me the Dino aint being Missest with And show me the data all-in-one video same core same day Similar coolant temp Time runs With a couple minutes in between back-to-back pools or even just back-to-back Poles and show the data in an uncut video and prove your point old technology versus new technology The weight disturbance in between billet and castThe difference In leadersRun it to the same or PM prove the data out the right way no laws no bullshit may be a long video but it'd be worth it to get the truth cause I feel like the video has flaws when it's cut showing me graphs and just telling me something show me true proof if you think your blower is really better Both companies

[@joshuadunham2715]

Jesus that was difficult to read. Lots of demands from someone who can’t use a period.

[@eddiearchuleta615]

Kb will always destroy vmp power psi lb for lb

[@chrisds302]

Numbers aren’t all that impressive, I prefer seeing said competitors run what ya brung and leave the numbers in the weight room. I’ve seen a lot of vmp cars run door to door with bigger blower kB cars so hp isn’t always king when it comes to winning races it’s all in the combo. With that said I think they are both great blowers.

[@darrenmcfeaters6683]

No tvs cars running low 7s at almost 200 mph like kenne bell cars.

[@MegaMma4life]

Bahahahahahaha Kenny bell upset vmp Odin is a way better rotor