Kevin-NY | Jesus' Resurrection | Talk Heathen 06.16

Talk Heathen 06.16 for April 17, 2022 with Jmike and Kenneth Leonard.
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[@Mansail46]

No way to prove it happened, but, I believe, it because I believe it. This guy is all over the place.

[@rojh9351]

But “it takes more faith to believe atheism”. But “faith is the way to God’s truth” But “atheism isn’t true” Because “it takes more faith to believe atheism…” (Repeat endlessly)

[@JayMaverick]

Welcome to the world of Kevin (NY). He's been called out on his bollocks numerous times and he never listens. Just calls back with a new load of garbage the next week.

[@bubbercakes528]

I’m an atheist but just prior to me switching over from religion I took a bible class and found that Jesus was not the first who was raised from the dead in the bible. I was shocked to realize that according to the bible coming back from death was not a rare thing. Going to bible study to become a good christian was the first step toward atheism for me.

[@ziploc2000]

Good point. There's about a dozen resurrections in the bible, some performed by Jesus, many so trivial they don't even give the resurrectee a name. Of course if Jesus was resurrected it diminishes his supposed sacrifice to just a bad weekend.

[@arthurunknown8972]

Caller just wants to read his script without challenge or thought.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

and on a Relentless drive to avoid answering any and all direct questions...

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

Kevin-NY just wants to talk about the topic he called in about and he sure as shit doesn't have a script. he's clearly on nightquil or something when ever he calls in.

[@MrMattSax]

Although he doesn’t know his script all that well and the script itself is really weak

[@bigred0079]

Without challenge and without thought.......

[@Nobody-y5t5j]

@@bigred0079 Literally all Christians.

[@bradleyson]

This call really does a good job of highlighting how poor the evidence for Jesus’ resurrection is for theists. It really comes down to faith, and we all know faith is an awful reason to believe anything.

[@Gamefan86]

Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens. .. ..

[@pabstep2611]

@@Gamefan86 I guess this is based on Bill Darlison's book. Is that correct?

[@wwlib5390]

bradleysan; well, since none of us alive today were present in 33AD, we have only what God reveals to us through His Word, which we take by faith as we begin to see and hear its message of truth. Some hear/heed that message and others dismiss it, but as believers in Christ's love and promise exercise our faith in Him, the miraculous happens - we are given the evidence, unseen and unacknowledged by the world, that WE need to recognize God's ever-presence in our lives and in the world today. John 3 16 invites you to know and experience God’s love and promise to you personally, while He still can be found.

[@pabstep2611]

@@wwlib5390 Which is just a long version of: "I don't know."

[@bradleyson]

@@wwlib5390 by Faith, you seem to be saying you believe despite the lack of good evidence. And simply take the Bible at its word. Why in the world would you, or anyone do such a thing with such a massive, extraordinary claim? Plenty of books in history have claimed plenty of outrageous things. You seem to be cherry picking this book as true over those others simply because you want to. That’s how people end up believing in false claims. Literally. That’s how we have Hindus, Jews, Muslims, Mormons. And plenty other false ideologies. Same exact methods.

[@nollattacykel]

Poor Kevin, he always sounds half asleep. His arguments are on par with how he sounds.

[@joelinbody9949]

He does sound half-asleep, doesn't he?

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

I think Kevin-NY takes downers or something before he calls in because sometimes he starts the call incredibly energetic and quickly plummet to being tired.

[@Brammy007a]

Kevin has called in many times to various shows. He always sounds like this. I feel sorry for him. He is so brainwashed and deluded and confused.

[@amyv8416]

In order to answer a question, a person has to understand the question.

[@eholden6510]

Kenneth and Jmike are good together. They make a great team.

[@chriskelly3481]

I think JMike gets frustrated and has to dip out periodically.

[@markinmy]

agreed😊

[@maxbell6237]

JMike’s analogy about writing a poem to tell someone their house is on fire is brilliant! If someone doesn’t grasp that concept then they are willingly rejecting reality.

[@gavinelster3168]

Kevin is every evangelical on Twitter. It cracks me up that people of faith try to find facts to back up their faith. If they ever actually found facts that would mean their faith is no longer needed.

[@snooganslestat2030]

I never understand why people think they have proof of the resurrection when they cant prove jesus even existed.

[@dlon4539]

Maybe it's not even an issue for faith based religions. TBH we all at times need or want to believe or hope there's more to this life.

[@rockpadstudios]

He believes Jesus was resurrected because that is what he was brainwashed with from birth. Ask these people what religion they were before they found "the one true religion" and they will always answer (if they answer) with the same response - I was born into the one true religion.

[@Gamefan86]

Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens. .. ..

[@wabbajack2]

​@@Gamefan86(citation needed)

[@TheDeath138]

He sounded like he was trying really hard to not say "The Bible says so."

[@chfr927]

Theists think they have to give these philosophical answers that they can’t articulate or even understand themselves instead of just saying what is literally true for them: someone I trusted when I was young told me that this is true so I believe it. If they could just see and say that, we at least have a real place to start discussing their beliefs.

[@snooganslestat2030]

They either dont or cant be honest with themselves or they know how stupid it sounds. Or all of the above of course!

[@puckerings]

Starts off by saying that "as a theist" he of course believes in the resurrection of Jesus. So he doesn't even know what theist means.

[@whylie1555]

Yup

[@therealsmalk]

18:45 "When trying to discern between what is true and not true, and we are presented with something we've never heard of... we have to at least first treat it as though it is true." WHAT????? 😂😂😂 Has to be one of the wildest statements I've EVER heard on any call show.

[@cps_Zen_Run]

Many have been resurrected. There are several stories about such occurrences and claims in the Fiction section of a library.

[@artistjoh]

Sai Baba’s followers claimed he was resurrected after 3 days and that was in 2011. They claim he healed the sick as well. And even though it was quite recently, there is no evidence for it beyond claims. In the age of mobile phone cameras no one thought to whip one out and start filming. Funny that. However, unlike Jesus, we at least can prove that Sai Baba existed.

[@stevepierce6467]

There are also real events of people presumed dead, awaiting embalming, who stir and "come back to life." Turns out they were not really dead, just comatose.

[@Callimo]

@@stevepierce6467 I mean, yeah. But to recreate this Jesus like resurrection, you would have to have someone who's clinically dead (like no brain activity) for three days come back to life. It's really improbable that something like that would happen in history. I think we could probably find the comatose angle better in the story of Lazarus.

[@stevepierce6467]

@@Callimo Yeah, not just improbable, impossible. My wife from South America tells of several instances where "dead" people revived, because the custom was often to bury within 24 hours without embalming, so coma or catalepsy was the explanation. There are conditions where a person's pulse or breath are essentially imperceptible, leading casual observers, and even medical professionals, to conclude he is dead.

[@annaschofield]

That is why they have what is called a wake prior to the funeral- they are waiting to see if they were just drunk or whatever and wake up

[@jns8393]

Kevin's blind faith was totally exposed with JMike's 'trusted partner' line of questioning.

[@BrokeTheSeal]

Kevin sounds like the perfect candidate for believing Bible stories

[@johnd.shultz7423]

IF there could be a x-tian version of Comic-Con Kevy would be right at home...

[@wynlewis5357]

Yeh, he has proof for a global flood as well.🤣

[@BrokeTheSeal]

@@wynlewis5357 😂

[@mindymild]

Kevin an old favorite Because arguing with him is like arguing with a know it all toddler

[@johnd.shultz7423]

A toddler with ready access to a bong and some O.G. Kush...

[@mindymild]

@@johnd.shultz7423 😂

[@canbest7668]

Amazing the backflips Christians have to do to demonstrate the resurrection occurred: -Metaphors -Its possible because everything is possible (no absolute zero) -Prophecy -Truth tables -Modal logic -You can’t prove it didn’t happen -A face showed up on a tortilla All things they wouldn’t do for anything else. And they _still_ can’t see the problem…

[@gloriaf6971]

Why did these hosts give this caller so much time? It was obvious from the beginning that he has no idea what he is talking about.

[@LuminesBreezer--]

For the sake of others, therefore using him successfully as an example of a theist who isn't there mentally.

[@Nocturnalux]

Because many, many people think just like Kevin.

[@ZenWithKen]

When you work from the answer to the question, this is the shit that happens.

[@timothybrown5999]

If Jesus really did come back from the dead you’d think the gospels would agree on these important details. Yet all of them have different claims, almost like it was a made up part of the story.

[@Gamefan86]

Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens. .. ..

[@Truth-Be-Told-USA]

You would think he actually would do something in over 2000+ years. Nothing at all means nothing happened 2000 years ago

[@DatHombre]

@@Truth-Be-Told-USA I wouldn't be so confident! He's going to be returning real soon and you'll wish you didn't say that!! -every religious person for the past 2000yrs

[@MrMattSax]

Droopy Dog calls in to make a slow, brooding case for…. Something? He’s not really sure

[@johnd.shultz7423]

After he lost his job at Hannah-Barbara cartoons he had to do something..

[@dlon4539]

Theism......that makes me mad

[@ziploc2000]

Kenneth's bit about stuff being a sexual metaphor reminded me of the hypothesis that Bilbo entering the secret tunnel in the Lonely Mountain after much poking around to get it open is a sexual metaphor. Yes, you can find sexual metaphors anywhere, even if the writer didn't intend them as a metaphor.

[@terryriley8963]

Kevin’s thinking ‘I wish these guys would stop asking me difficult questions to explain and prove the stuff I believe, cos it makes my head hurt, and just listen to me and then they would know its all true’.

[@gregoryh9442]

Keep coming back Kevin. Eventually you’ll get it.

[@Mewse1203]

Spider-man says "with Great power comes great responsibility" does that mean Spider-man exists?

[@chrishomes8298]

This is absolutely ridiculous!

[@Solstng]

"There's many places I can go from there" THEN GO TO ONE KEVIN!!! JUST ONE! PICK ONE AND GO TO IT! I'm so sick of the Weasel bullshit from people like this. If you have the answers just fucking say them. If it would "take too long" too bad! Take a long time and fucking say it. They can never just explain anything cuz they know deep down it doesn't make sense.

[@OmnivorousReader]

Oh dear. I kind of like Kevin, he is so earnest in his fuzzy mindedness. I am about %85 convinced he is a real person who REALLY thinks the way he sounds like he thinks. But I still only made it through about 2/3 of this one. It was raining. The sound of the rain made more sense.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

YES! A fine pillow talking x-tian escapist.....

[@Nocturnalux]

I agree he is for real. “Fuzzy mindedness” is a very apt description for Kevin. I suspect he has never been genuinely challenged on his beliefs and thus they became the muddle we now behold. Here’s to hoping he may get better at this.

[@OmnivorousReader]

@@Nocturnalux I do wonder how much actual conversation with real people he has. I think he is getting better at it, his topics are less wild than some his earliest conversations which were all over the place. One does have to give him high points for perseverance and returning.

[@Nocturnalux]

@@OmnivorousReader Indeed, I also wonder if he does interact much with people in real life and he is considerably better now. He also sounds very young. Odds are he has not had much of a chance of honing his thinking skills and then went off on internet rabbit holes. Because from what I recall, he has a lot of very strange ideas that I don’t think he learned in church.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

@@OmnivorousReader perseverance in magical thinking reminds me of the saying" the road to hell is paved with good intentions" i Thank Life Itself im not trapped in a car with him on a cross country trip....

[@robhaskins]

Kevin is exasperating. I couldn't go on after 23 minutes.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

You then saved about 7 valuable minutes of your life time....

[@stevepierce6467]

The powerful difference between believe and know: This leaf is green...I know it is green. vs Look at this leaf...I believe it is green.

[@whylie1555]

This is outstanding. I love this guy. So embarrassing…. To his ancestors

[@barclaybehie7787]

The scariest thing is these people vote.

[@Mewse1203]

"Believe it until you can prove otherwise" That is BS and he knows it. Otherwise he'd believe everything....literallly EVERYTHING.

[@LuminesBreezer--]

He's pointlessly persistent. I'll give him that.

[@richardplinston9488]

The most probable reason that the claim was made that 'Jesus resurrected' (given that he existed) is that he didn't die on the cross. Joesephus relates a story that two of his friends were crucified and he went to authorities and got permission to take them down. One died but the other recovered even though he had been on the cross for several hours. Jesus was only on the cross for several hours before Joseph of Aramathea took him down.

[@Gamefan86]

Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens. .. ..

[@richardplinston9488]

@@Gamefan86 @"Christianity began as sun worship," You are very confused. Yes, Constantine was a believer in Mithras the sun god and converted to Christianity but that was in the fourth century. December 25th was a significant date centuries before Christ for practical reasons and in pagan religions. It was not Jesus's birth date but was taken over by the church, along with other dates, to turn pagan celebrations into christian ones.

[@annaschofield]

Do I get a t-shirt: “I survived the call of Kevin”. My point is what I was trying to say is the core of my point is- well sigh let me finish this please it’s the point of my calling what I’m trying to say is-um laugh if we try to find anything is true-when we try and decipher…. Omg say something!!

[@johnd.shultz7423]

Truly,Kevy Never gets it...and i will buy one of those T-shirts!!!

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

You guys were overly mean to Kevin-ny in this video. it was frustrating. He deserves more respect as such a entertaining and loyal reoccurring caller to the show.

[@nelsonlee7448]

My daddy told me it was the truth, my preacher told me it was the truth, the bible says it is the truth, what more could you want? Obviously there is an invisible man who controls universe. DUH.

[@snooganslestat2030]

The sound is the wind whistling round inside his head.

[@jasontheconner6120]

Is that why chocolate for Easter is brown? To match the color of jesus' wooden cross?

[@phrozenwun]

Kevin - you want to prove the real existence of God, yes? Please define, in reasonable and positive terms using extant attributes what this real God is. Until you define a real god you can not communicate effectively about the belief that you accept.

[@cmack17]

"Kevin" 🤣

[@Sky-ee1bf]

Ha ha, they said Erection!!! 😂

[@freddan6fly]

Is this Kevin Jensen, the dishonest troll in the comment section?

[@EssentialComment]

23:28 Kevin: it is multilayered.... So are Ogre's, Shrek is and Ogre, I believe Shrek is real

[@markmehlhorn2836]

Why can you hang a picture of Jesus with one nail, and it took 3 nails for the cross?

[@albooga]

I imagine they would've had to put the nail in the chest to hold the body weight. A nail through the chest probably doesn't work though for long-term torture. People tend to die pretty quickly with a nail through the chest

[@markmehlhorn2836]

@@albooga Too bad the bible is a tired old worn out book that kids laugh at. Jonah's ride in the whale is a kiddie ride compared to a bad assed Roller Coaster Ride!!

[@gloriaf6971]

That's funny. 😂

[@markmehlhorn2836]

@@gloriaf6971 Sam Kinnison had a joke about using Jesus's Hole-ee holy wholly hands as a whistle- May he R.I.P. 😉

[@johnbarleycorn9683]

I think Kevin has had one too many edibles.

[@beyondu77]

It's such an easy question, and yet Kevin doesn't want to say...I believe it, because of the Bible. You guys let this call go on for far too long. This was a 10-minute call at most.

[@nina1608]

I suspect that Kevin has consumed too much of Jordan Peterson's content, like the Bible is the primary book and it's true because it has so much archetypal impact and because it gives meaning to people and stuff. Peterson really is the ultimate post-modernist, and Kevin is just not eloquent enough to pull this off.

[@Jim-de4dj]

Jesus a Jew supposedly sent by the Jew’s God (himself) to save the Jews as their Messiah as supposedly prophesised in their holy book, (The Bible V 1.0 or the Tanakh) the holy book that is the word of their God and their Law which Jesus supposedly said he came to uphold (but didn’t), Matthew 5:17 -5;19 The Pro Roman Version and change it they did! as can be clearly seen if you bother to read it. Unfortunately, although the Jews were expecting a Messiah Jesus didn’t fit the bill and he wasn’t believed by the Jewish Religious leaders, regardless of the later Roman propaganda (The Jews were obviously ATHEISTIC about Jesus’s status) and they turned him over to the Romans as a troublemaker and he was strung up in accordance with Roman Law as a trouble maker, of course as a God he would have known all this was going to happen and of course how do you KILL an immortal GOD. So, after being crucified and PRETENDING to die he came back to life as any old Roman God would do and as prophesised in the Bible v 2.0 and for some inexplicable reason became the Messiah of the Romans who also for some inexplicable reason absorbed the Jewish god (The one that created the Universe with a Big Abracadabra) into their own pantheon of Gods and slowly over the next few hundred years created a not very convincing history for Jesus, full of melodramatic nonsense about how he preached about being the Son of God and was good at magic tricks and liked to make wine, walk on water, raise the dead Oh and make take away picnic meals for five thousand Jews, from a few scraps of bread and some fish, just like a ROMAN GOD, WHAT’S NOT TO BELIEVE? Virgin birth, magic tricks, dies and comes back to life and resurrects dead mates, cures blind people, hangs about with lepers and gets annoyed with a fruit tree that didn’t bear fruit out of season, then for the next 2000 years make shit up trying to explain why, when the real reason is that the Romans new religious GRIFTS as their OLD ones were no longer believed and exiled back to their supernatural, interdimensional home outside space and time. And Jesus, the itinerant JEWISH PREACHER wandered about the desert for over 20 years with his entourage of twelve TALIBAN Ultra Conservative fanatical Zealots not averse to terrorist threats and actions The real miracle is that there is not one mention in either the Old Jewish Holy book or the New pro Roman Holy book that Jesus was actually going to be the ROMAN EMPIRE’S MESSIAH but that is what they will have you believe, that this Jewish preacher God Man was to become the Chief Roman God Man, on a stick no less, that will help the Romans to continue to persecute the Jews (Gods own chosen people, NOT) for the next two thousand years, and just like many of the pantheon of Roman Gods had characteristics that were stuck onto the Jesus God man on a stick and became a three in one God no less, at a ‘Committee meeting’ chaired by a Pagan Emperor some three hundred years after they strung him up. The best bit is that everyone was to become ATHEISTIC about Jupiter and Co and become the ROMAN God man on a stick follower and call themselves Christians, and now 2000 years later we have over 4000 Sects, Denominations, Orthodoxies Churches and Congregations, slaughtering each other to prove that they are the TRUE CHRISTIANS and follow the ‘I won’t change anything’ lying tree beating asshole Jesus. The ridiculous thing is the Jewish Messiah was to save the Jews from their enemies, the Christian Messiah was to save humanity, but never says who they are to be saved from, and curiously few from outside the Roman Empire had heard of Jesus but did need saving from the Roman Catholic Christian genocidal maniacs.

[@diojiabunai]

Damn. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them think. ...oops.

[@robertdullnig3625]

I hope Kevin had a good 4/20

[@johnd.shultz7423]

This is a year long daily event for kevy apparently...

[@Gamefan86]

It sounds like he had 😂

[@pizzagogo6151]

The fact that he sees an equivalence between of a story of someone helping someone else from another culture ( something which ironically christians don’t have a great record of😮)- on the same level of some sort of supernatural god raising someone from death......err ....the first seems pretty a reasonable ....the second story......???...not so much 😆

[@josephmurphy7522]

Hypothetically speaking, if the claims made by the bible about jesus' message were true, they would be The Most Important Message Humanity Could Ever Receive. If I was sending such a message I would make it as clear and concise as possible, so that it could be easily understood by all.

[@Zero20two]

But, but there are layers! You have to understand there are layers.

[@erniemathews5085]

Kevin,king of credulity, DAF and boring. I won't watch

[@flowingafterglow629]

Dude, just admit that it's based on faith and we can move on.

[@kidd32888]

Because Bible tells me so 🤦

[@MooseIndie]

There's still time for OJ to come back!

[@wynlewis5357]

I think Kevin just wanted to say what he believed in. I also think he had a bit of a shock when trying to use faith vs "Critical Thinking" .. hence, his nervous laugh. Somehow I don't think he will call back.

[@5555grumpy]

Poor, poor Kevin.

[@brucebaker810]

I like both Kenneth and JMike. A lot. And Kevin adopts any stupid idea he hears. It stays in his brain only til it falls out. But multiple times, one host would do a long bit, then the other host. And maybe back again. Before letting Kevin bleat. Ken seems to do it a lot.

[@KerryFreemanMelbourne]

Aaaaaaaaaàaah !

[@Mewse1203]

Man...Kenneth was getting so frustrated.

[@BoschizBasus]

that was a nice demolish of the callers confidence

[@graydear3554]

I like the way Kenneth try's to keep the caller on track.

[@sunshowerpainting1]

Dear Dog, make it stop!

[@porkyboy4226]

If jesus was a lowly carpenter, why wasn't he just buried like normal people. Why the tomb?

[@TheBox225]

This sounded like a waste of time lol

[@chrisbay6672]

@kenneth it’s “nip it in the bud” it’s a gardening term. Not “Nip this in the butt”

[@brucewilliams4152]

Dear kevin, you haven't even established the death, burial and resurrection let alone discussing anything else.

[@lordshell]

You're tapping a dry well here.

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

People get resurrected all the time! Mostly on friday evening, during a Dungeons and Dragons session. It's in the books, so it must be real! Even shows the cost and components needed. Stop believing this nonsense is real already...

[@Gamefan86]

Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens. .. ..

[@breadlowry]

Oh it's that Kevin. I can't listen to this guy anymore.

[@markmiller7317]

THIS IS DARTH DAWKINS. WHAT ARE YOU EXPERIENCING?!?!

[@annaschofield]

Just be honest- because it’s in the Bible and you believe the Bible was written by man but is the word of god- if people knew their religion better this would be much easier- come on Christian’s why do you believe- your god says you should be prepared to answer 🙄 are atheists more knowledgeable?

[@brucewilliams4152]

I'm history we go if we can to.primary sources, more the better. You can not even prove that Jesus existed out side of the bible, let alone the resurrection

[@TheTruthKiwi]

Textbook rationing and reasoning there fellas but it all goes in one of Kevin's ears and out the other because he believes in magic.

[@joelinbody9949]

I like Kevin but he seems dazed when he talks about Christianity. i come away confused by his argument.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

More bong hit religionism which sounds like the speaker is vocalizing Through their bong, weaving unprovable claims strung together with continual statements as" this is how i believe it is" or this is what we know" followed by tiresome avoidence of any direct questions.Its Truly An Easter Miracle that the hosts of this venue continue to allow kevins empty pontifications, as his entertainment "value" has long since passed...

[@PascalRibaux]

~28:00 The Harry Potter example is a good idea but poorly executed. I think that the caller ment that Jesus was preaching good and wise stuff and that this was proof for it to be true. Therefore we should have confronted him with a passage in a known fictional book, that would also be perceived as good and wise instead of just "Hi, Ron!". But i understand that it is hard to quote something like that correctly from the top of your head in a live show..

[@thomaserickson568]

Again the atheists bowl over the caller, they talk a lot more than he does, interrupt him continuously with a ton of profanity.

[@jeff6660]

Kevin seems to be a case of Tangential speech disorder. He needs to seek help immediately.

[@teresadruer4418]

Soooooo....jesus....zombie? Strange how ppl arnt still rising from the dead n we dont all live like the walking dead cast

[@NN-wc7dl]

That's the thing - these guys don't differentiate between facts, symbols, and metaphors. It's all the same to them. What's real and what's made up doesn't matter, so we can choose what suits our feelings and desires best. All discussions are unnecessary.

[@TheMcrico84]

Funny how they cant just answer the question

[@dobrien51]

There is something really wrong with Kevin’s brain.

[@cindyrobinson5028]

Kevin has a huge problem with ‘secrets’ that comes out in all his calls. He thinks that God is hiding things, and if he just looks hard enough he’ll know the ‘truth’. He acts like real life is a game, he’s on a quest, and the programmer of his reality has left the clues for him. He’s looked into anything that he thinks will give him that next clue that he’s happy to follow. Never really thinking about the fact that all the people who die without this secret he’s sure is out there did so without knowing the trust. Millions and millions, all along human history. He can’t see how fucked up that is. And he’s too mentally lazy to actually do any real research. I feel sorry for him.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

I like your position on this and how you,ve descibed kevy's Issues...

[@rebeccahanson6941]

For gods sake man this isn’t Bible study. Metaphors in literature are fun and all and yes valuable but not a path to truth.

[@corkymaschinot2965]

Matt is better at staying on track. These guys not so much.

[@LiddleBuddy-z5o]

Why do you believe your business was successful? Uhhh I believe america exists

[@philipinchina]

A very confused man.

[@Mewse1203]

This was the most circular piece of garbage that was full of word salad gobbledygook I've heard. 'I believe Jesus resurrected because it was symbolism" Like, what?

[@garlandgarrett9806]

Keep on researching guys. And watch them traps.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

The Entire bible is a trap novel...Ive been told Consistantly that the bible is the Infallible word/s of god himself,then how can there be traps? and Why would an infallible communicator create a book so undecipherable as to create endless, different interpretations that create division amoungst its readers and Why as an omniscient( all knowing) being didnt "he" see this confusion (coming) inherent in his supposed "word"that created divisions so severe that not only did x-tians vehemently disagree about "his" word and split off into different sects, but murdered each other over doctrinal differences...

[@garlandgarrett9806]

Not many understood Noah because it wasn't a much strip to go by. But except you'd be like Daniel, Job, or Noah, you would not understand the book. You can thank the catholics for that. Just my opinion. So many contradictions.

[@smochygrice465]

Such a crappy book after all friend, no wonder. Peace.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

Its hard to" understand" a 600 year olde drunk with an 11 foot tall wife,but a comic book mind can find "reality" Anywhere....

[@garlandgarrett9806]

@@johnd.shultz7423 It's been right chopped up, like a lot of others. I think the authors was hallucinating of what it was trying to say. That's what happens when the wrong hands get on it.

[@Gamefan86]

Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens. .. ..

[@blarglemantheskeptic]

@@garlandgarrett9806 👈 speaking of hallucinating... It's a bit rich, you, of all people, accusing others of hallucinating!

[@garlandgarrett9806]

We better man up. Behemoth was not to be worshipped. Even though it was the chief in the ways of God. For this was made for a reason. That we may know what created all. And how far away that we have came from our ancestors. Glory and praise is the creator. Much of these words have been flip flopped and twisted all around Because of Christianity. How many times should they say it will come and it does not. For surely all of us is in perfect.

[@smochygrice465]

Best to leave God in the dark brother, for it brings the worst out of us. Maybe read between the lines as they say. Peace Love Empathy.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

Me Supposeth That You Shouldeth Creatiff Yore Owneth Religin....

[@Gamefan86]

Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens. .. ..

[@Gamefan86]

Behemoth is an elephant, and leviathan is a big alligathor.

[@garlandgarrett9806]

@@Gamefan86 But a lot is ignorant and no not of these things. For they actually have been blinded by it. A old Egyptian curse onto the robbers of the temples. It takes a colorful mind to understand of these things. This is what we need more of. Thinking like human beings and not thinking like animals. For you are complete, but then how are you going to reach them? It must start at the point of creation that all be free. Meditations without words.