itslifebymaggie Quits Medicine | Doctor Dropout Reacts

[@wadeedirfan8137]

I normally don't comment but as a final year med student currently undergoing the ERAS match, I want to say that I am very excited about my future career. What I will say is that I have friends/family who are starting their careers in non-medicine fields and I have noticed that their hours are also very long! My younger siblings often come home around dinner time and many of friends also work on their projects over the weekend. It gave a nice perspective that to really progress in any domain, there is an initial upfront cost to be made. Yes medicine is more intense in that regard, but any field in which you want success requires a lot of hard work and gruelling hours. I made this post as a reminder to myself and other medical students that this field is extremely rewarding and I truly believe the efforts will pay off in the end!

[@kevinjubbalmd]

well said

[@doctorshawn3461]

Most other professions don't have the added stress that if you screw up, someone could die. Been practicing for 10 years and I can tell you it's long hours with high stress. However, it is not all doom and gloom, it is overall a very rewarding profession to be in and would not have changed my decision to be a physician if I had to do it all over again. Best of luck in your future endeavors.

[@kiliellwallace1112]

Bro I’m also starting undergrad so I can go to med school but I’m a emt and your so right this thing called medicine is a true calling and anything worth doing is doing right for yourself and it’s a fuckin grind

[@tab8294]

Exactly very well said bro, I also think same , corporate people in my country works 12hr+ /day , it's not only medicine and as a physician you can always choose to work less

[@Vicente-en2zx]

Really, I don't know the next administration might make it worse in healthcare.

[@ShaunAndersen]

You are absolutely the best person to do a reaction to her quitting!

[@chelseaa101]

agreed

[@treece_rose]

I have a problem with her charging people money for something she's not great at herself, and using the money she is getting from those people to get her "7 figure income". Makes it seem as though now that she has these "pawns" trying to get into medical school, she is able to get out.

[@pathurd9595]

I like what Dr. Jubbal said later in the video. To her it’s not about helping pre-meds it’s about making 7 figures. Pretty gross imo

[@Inkafoxie]

Someone explain to me why people are still buying “courses” in an age of so much information being freely available to us

[@mustang8206]

pre-meds are some of the most anxiety riddled perfectionists out there. If you can convince a few of them that there's some hidden info in their course that will get them into medical school they will jump on it

[@MrPassword4Password]

Too much money, not enough common sense

[@Im0nJupiter]

Tbh it's so easy to know WHAT to do, just hard to do it. I can't imagine paying anyone for anything but PS/secondary writing.

[@CoffeeKatastrophe]

8 to 5 is only bad when you have no volition in your job. Once you do, it becomes part of you and not a shackle

[@kevinjubbalmd]

Exactly. Volition/agency, purpose, challenge

[@smivlibee5936]

She definitely went into this for the money and respectfully if thats what she wants thats fine. Announcing it and throwing it in our faces is a joke and should be scrutinized. Imagine if more and more MD were like her. Medical graduate starts a business without becoming board certified. If you only go to medical school to be an entrepreneur/medfluencer, who’s going to practice medicine? Chatgpt?

[@Vicente-en2zx]

Honestly with the current situation, I am now in the camp of Chatgpt at this point. I didn't like how the healthcare facilities treated my grandma especially with the cooperation even with small things such as bedside care, giving her daily medications while she is in the hospital care (especially when my family and I are not there watching) and lack of cooperation with the RN's and Docs who probably have their own agendas/biases while they were at work. There is a huge dissatisfaction in the healthcare field right now and that's why there is a huge resentment especially towards established institutions against the American Medical Association (AMA) and AHA. Now it culminated to an antivaccer being in control in one of the most important leadership positions in the health industry. It's also shocking how despite the acceptance of diverse students from LGBT, and color nothing has changed. The Healthcare Workers especially leadership really need to look at the mirror at themselves and ask "what did I do wrong"? I am not thinking logically at this point I am expressing my what comes to mind as respectfully as possible.

[@ayeshaahmad9506]

Lmao that makes no sense. How does chatgpt fix any of the problems you're having?? +everything you've mentioned is very region-specific and depends on what hospital you go to.

[@Vicente-en2zx]

@@ayeshaahmad9506 What's your solution then? Cause the one hospital my grandma was in was in a very wealthy place in the US. I could not imagine the conditions being it in rural or international. I know it is pretty toxic arguing in internet comments but I am doing for the thrill of it.

[@HbAz783V]

@@Vicente-en2zx I'm sorry you had that experience and it is something that does need to be improved. However, in general having medical professionals working in conjunction with AI is probably the longer goal/solution. There are obviously human error that occurs with the healthcare field, but the issue currently is the fact that there are more and more administrative roles being created, while the rise in medical professionals is fairly stagnant. This leads to medical institutions wanting physicians and medical professionals to see patients every 20-30 minutes so they can get as much ROI as possible. Issue is patient outcomes go down. Also note that AI has shown bias in the past and if the people who are making it have direct connections to pharmaceutical, medical, and insurance institutions there still could be bias.

[@Vicente-en2zx]

@@HbAz783V All right armchair healthcare public health official what are you proposing then? Could you give a solution. One of my uncles who works at a well-known tech company after witnessing that traumatic solution has that in mind using AI especially with the ineffectiveness of the Health System. I am telling you know the healthcare system (especially Doctors who still leaders of the healthcare system) better do something effectively the next two years or soon it will encourage these tech programmers to make desperate inventions with the intention to save their loved ones even though it might lead to bad consequences akin to something like the Terminator or someone like Dr. Freeze trying to save her wife from brain tumor. They are willing to make risks and gamble with the future and may cause harm to the population. Not sure with doctors who are trained to be risk-averse.

[@Im0nJupiter]

Being a "against all odds" medical student was her shtick, people seemed to enjoy her journey, and that journey is now over on what medical folk would consider a sour note. I never watched her stuff but it seems like her marketing "leverage" was being an inspiring story full of failures, such that she could save you the same pitfalls for just $500. Now that her story (edit: in MEDICINE) is over, the leverage is much reduced, especially as someone who has left her "dream" behind. I doubt people would be inspired enough to buy her stuff now. Between the loss of this potent story for marketing and her reputation now being tarnished by that video, I have doubts that her business will take off like she imagined. If I was her, holding onto the storyline and the consistent income of being a boarded physician would have been wise, and definitely would have been my choice. I wish her luck.

[@Quandale445]

Guys I just got into med school why are we all switching up all of a sudden 😭🙏

[@kevinjubbalmd]

Overwhelming majority of people aren’t quitting. It’s just selection bias you’re seeing on KZbin

[@Quandale445]

@@kevinjubbalmd Yeah true

[@garrisonboehl258]

It is entirely normal for people to quit medicine given that it is such a long and arduous path. It has always been the case, we just see it more cuz of the internet like kevin said.

[@Be1smaht]

ITs a challenging life and you really really have to want it.

[@strawverymilktae1280]

I cant believe this. I'm actually not surprised but also not disappointed. I didn't get the inspiration or passion from her. I shall come back and watch after completing my stats test review though haha

[@YoRHa2B]

her motivations are highly questionable

[@MohamedAhmed-wc3pw]

She can do whatever she wants with her degree

[@orcaprotector]

@@MohamedAhmed-wc3pw Absolutely. Her motivations are still highly questionable

[@dochudson9912]

But she wasted a medical school spot. Someone who is more passionate about medicine could've had that spot and made a great physician. ​@@MohamedAhmed-wc3pw

[@YoRHa2B]

@@MohamedAhmed-wc3pw yeah she technically can but she took a spot of someone that actually wants to be a doctor people that are goin in for the right reasons. Im personally trying to get in medschool right now and would feel awful if my spot was taken by someone that just is in it for the money and is going to quit anyways

[@50aim]

@@YoRHa2B doing something for money is just as valid as any other reason. the reason why medical school is so hard to get admitted to is because there is a shortage of funding for residency programs among other financial considerations. don't let the woo-woo admissions process gaslight you into thinking this isn't how the world actually works. being a physician is a job first and foremost... people do it for money

[@drfifteenmd7561]

Yeah, she was the one who got in on a low GPA and didn’t seem that wanting to be a doctor in the first place.

[@ricegrain6880]

getting in with a low GPA doesn’t mean those students aren’t as cut out to be/want to be physicians. idk if you meant to be condescending way but it definitely came across that way 😅

[@pkilam]

if she doesnt want it ill gladly take her spot

[@cici4630]

Earn the spot, like she did

[@amullerdvm]

You mean by being a DEI applicant lol ​@@cici4630

[@jodythi1]

I watched her videos from when she was applying for schools, etc. and I was really motivated but now I feel like it’s not the same watching her videos since I’m not on the path that she’s currently on.

[@kiliellwallace1112]

Relatability is real

[@nan07878]

I do disagree with you on one point that she has to be top notch in order to be providing courses like she is. I think starting with low stats but still getting into med school resonates with a lot of students who struggle at the start. This issue comes when there doesn't seem to be much of an upswing. I'll say that I'm a pre-med with low stats, but just about anyone In the same position is gunning to become a stellar student and when it came to her as a student it kinda feels like she settled by saying that she didn't really apply herself at the start of med school and didn't seek out research. Her not having high stats to get in isn't the reason she shouldn't be seen at the expert, her stopping her academic climb to be top notch soon after entering in persuit of business is why

[@mangosaidno]

This!!

[@john8890]

I think both are valid reasons

[@mijmij8]

thanks for this video!! we love your in-depth discussions yes money is important but when its the sole reason for going into medicine, it really makes you look superficial. it's even more surprising to say it out loud and imo she shared as much not because she doesnt care what others think, rather because she didn't grasp all the implications of what she was saying, and how bad it makes her look as a person i do have to say she did the right move not to take a residency spot with her solely financial motivations

[@kevinjubbalmd]

i largely agree with your sentiments, but "surprising to say it loud" is something I believe as a society we should be more open to. I love when people are unfiltered. It allows us to have real conversations. And I applaud maggie for her lack of filter

[@mijmij8]

@@kevinjubbalmd definitely, and just to clarify my point, wanting mainly/solely money from medicine doesn't make you a bad person - it just makes you look like a bad one at first glance, as medicine offers such rewarding aspects that making finances the sole driver for this career seems shallow. For instance, fields like finance are entirely built on become rich, but that would not mean everyone working in that field is shallow or has bad intentions - at the end of the day, everyone has different lifestyle aspirations and you need jobs to get there. hoping more aspiring physician/entrepreneurs will speak out on these dilemmas without the fear of getting dragged online

[@djaligater]

Kevin, speaking to your point about virtue signaling and why people go into medicine. I think what MOST people mean is the PRIMARY reason why you went to medical school. I think it’s perfectly fine to want to make money as a physician BUT taking care of patients should be the PRIMARY reason you went to medical school. Just my two cents.

[@kevinjubbalmd]

i like that you're speaking to the gray, the middle, where it's a matter of both and not one or the other, and I don't disagree with you - money should not be the primary driver. That being said, I have seen many commenters on YT/Reddit/etc. who say they don't care at all about the money and would do it for free. That's just nonsense - they wouldn't work a career and put up with the sacrifice for nothing.

[@tatianagonzalez9240]

I think its a balancing act. Personally all I really need is to be able to make enough to pay off students loans and then live and work comfortably without financial stress and an occasional vacation

[@Eudamonic]

That's totally fine. I would NOT want her to be my doctor!

[@s.p.8508]

I don’t understand the mindset of these influencers thinking that because they grew a following now, they will maintain that following and keep growing at the same rate. To me, the medical influencers grow due to them, ya know, doing medicine. If you all of a sudden stop doing that then why would someone who follows you for the medicine continue following you? It’s the same thing with the newer Zach Highley vid. He brought up that he can probably go full time KZbin and build on his following and monetize on it and yadda yadda. Sure people will probably watch a bit more for his productivity, but he’s not doing medicine anymore. Why would people who followed him for the medicine want to continue watching his videos if he is not doing the thing they followed him for anymore? I really think that unless you have a very very solid plan on exactly what you are going to do, and are not counting on your current following to get there, then maybe it will work out. Otherwise I’m not sure how people like this can continue to monetize on a following that probably mostly don’t care about them anymore now that they are out of medicine and in business.

[@jodythi1]

I agree with you, I feel like I can’t watch the vids when they are no longer doing med school.

[@HowIDidIt-u5d]

But doesn’t have enough money to replace the smoke alarm

[@kevinjubbalmd]

Savage

[@john8890]

I guess she didn’t learn how to change a battery in med school

[@mustang8206]

Your point about the car community is spot on. In real life most car guys are great but on the Internet its one of the most divided and critical communities out there. People don't just fight over brands but over which models and over which trims of specific models and it gets so frustrating

[@jojo3luver]

I think I disagree with your stance on she's a C player therefore she can't be qualified to do her thing. I think it'd be a different story if she was hiding her journey and trying to sell to everyone and advertising that she's a rock star student that can help everyone be an A player, but she's instead being authentic to herself and honest about the difficulties she's experienced on her journey to medicine. If you're an Alex Hormozi fan I'm sure you've heard him say that as well. The only thing you can do is to be true and authentic to the experiences you've had and there will be then an audience that relates to her failures and doesn't necessarily want advice from someone who had straight A's their entire life because that's not what their life has been like. So I don't fully agree with your view on that.

[@Amanda.Cooper]

I watched her videos as someone on the nontrad journey myself, I liked her story. The past year or so she hasn't posted much med school stuff on her YT channel just premed things on IG. I just feel like she did so much to get into school-- I think she took 3 gap years an took the MCAT multiple times to end up getting like 10 acceptances. I just wished she at least would try one year of residency. I understand burnout is real, doctors are quitting, and the field of medicine has its many negatives... I just feel like she didn't even try??

[@john8890]

She was very clear that all she cares about is making money.

[@shellyt556]

Oh this quit video came around the same time as zach's. What a contrast!

[@Somalidoc321]

She was just blatantly honest he wasn’t lol. They all leave for more money don’t get it twisted, she’s just not smart enough to wrap it in “ is the juice worth the squeeze”

[@shellyt556]

@Somalidoc321 From the last analysis of zach's video, he does not seem hard up for money though. He may have been worried about status. Not sure.

[@mpm2004]

She had no intention of becoming a doctor and took a seat from someone who wanted to become a doctor.

[@Drift1]

Thanks for covering this!

[@csmd85]

Great breakdown and agree with majority of everyone’s take about her video. Disagree with you on just one thing tho: there will be a market for her with her background of retaking mcat, multiple tries to get in to med school, etc. because the process is not linear for everyone and everyone else is providing content for the straight As, high mcat, first cycle matriculated applicants.

[@Baldwinthefourth-1176]

Love to see it! Makes it less competitive for those who are doing this for the right reasons

[@madeleineisabel1287]

Great video! I always learn so much from you. I think this will be so helpful to so many people being mindful about why they are choosing a specific path. Some sort of balance is vital and so is doing something meaningful because it will be what makes you move forward in a healthy way while making a good impact in the world

[@thefenerbahcesk4156]

I remember seeing this girl on one of Ryan Gray's application episodes. I was rooting for her to get into med school. Glad she found something better though.

[@KenmanG1982]

Outside of psychopathology, I would say that she is an impulsive person

[@stopthatracket]

i agree with pretty much everything you said but i am curious on one aspect in particular. you obviously crushed it in undergrad and med school, but do you worry that as things inevitably become more competitive that what you did will not produce the same results for future applications (say 15 years or so from now). you often hear docs say “i couldn’t have gotten in/matched with todays standards” and i’m curious on how/if you plan on adapting your business long term.

[@kevinjubbalmd]

Great question! 1. We recruit and work with top players from recent years constantly to stay on top of our game and improve our systems 2. You can find my full story in other videos, but strategies that helped me become a top candidate (MCAT, GPA, research, LOR, etc) are the same strategies for students today. The doctors who trained several decades ago saying they couldn't have gotten in today weren't the ones getting 525 MCAT, 3.95 GPA, multiple publications, excellent letters, noteworthy extracurriculars and narrative, and so on. In other words, the middle-of-the-bell-curve candidate from 20 years ago would struggle to matriculate now, but the top 0.1% candidate from the past will still be a top 0.1% candidate today.

[@AGirlCalledNicole]

Let's not pretend like half of us (on our own or by parental influence) didn't go into medicine for the prestige and money. Plenty of medical students/ doctors leave the field for a better quality of life all the time. She's not the only one who's done this lately and yet she's getting flooded with the most hate. She was being honest, most of us are not.

[@kevinjubbalmd]

i applaud her for her honesty, but there's a balance that's lacking, as I explain in the video

[@bluethunder9102]

Prestige? Couldn’t care less. Money? For sure wouldn’t be a doctor for less than 300k per year.

[@garrisonboehl258]

Imo there is a massive difference between going into medicine strictly for money and prestige vs seeing those as secondary or tertiary desires.

[@mustang8206]

@@garrisonboehl258 most pre-meds genuinely want to be take care of patients in my experience but I do know a few of my classmates who are purely doing this for money, prestige, or because it's what their parents did, and they don't know what else to do. It really shows when you hear or see the number of medical and undergrad students who cheat on exams and sabotage students. At my school we have a group of pre meds who will join as many clubs as possible, run for officer positions, and then do absolutely no work in, all so they can list it on their application

[@TalhaFaisal1]

Finally return of the apple watch 😀

[@kevinjubbalmd]

😂 you got that attention to detail

[@Somalidoc321]

But you do the same thing as her? Courses and resources on how to get into medical school? She too will make an impact, I’m sure people who have gotten into medical school after taking her classes are appreciative of her. It’s crazy because she explicitly said what all of y’all left for. However I personally don’t believe in courses and got in without taking them

[@willthomas99]

Damn bro everyone who I used to watch before med school droppin like flies

[@NO1xANIMExFAN]

honestly curious as to why she even decided to go through with 4 years of med school in the first place, when she even said her self that her itch for business was already being taken care of prior to entering med school.

[@john8890]

She just sounds spoiled. This is the same language women use when they divorce their husbands because they want to find themselves only to later realize the dating pool sucks and love isn’t the same as lust. Edit: Wow she’s materialistic

[@ricegrain6880]

where did this comparison even come from 💀

[@yugiohforce1]

Great video and breakdown

[@butterflies.and.sunshine]

Kevin, overall enjoyed your video, but I disagree that she is unable to provide advice to premeds. Frankly, I don’t think that the top percentage of premeds (or people gunning for top medical schools) is her audience. Many students struggle to get into medical school, though, and those folks would relate to her, in addition to finding her credible. Clearly, she has been in the shoes of someone who had to take the MCAT multiple times and presumably improved, so she might not have started off great but seems like she figured it out through experience. Likewise, she succeeded in getting into medical school despite applying multiple times. I’m sure you know better than anyone that that takes a lot of dedication and that she had to have improved her application between application cycles. According to comments on Reddit, she got a scholarship to CU, so I I think her application must have improved significantly between the first time she applied and the time that she got in. So not only does she know what it takes to get into medical school, she knows how people struggle because she experienced that. And I think that that actually makes a strong case for why she can speak to premeds about getting into medical school. Plus, the fact that struggling people can relate to her may matter, because it takes away the shame that they might feel at the struggle that they’re going through. Other than that, I agreed with a lot of what you said. I hope that she is doing okay-I don’t follow her, but I saw a lot of people were “subtweeting” her on TikTok and those videos were getting views. I totally get why her video rubbed people the wrong way and I definitely agree with you points about that!

[@kevinjubbalmd]

i totally see your point on relatability. my counterpoint is that someone who misses the mark one year and reapplies isn't necessarily best helped by someone else who was in their same shoes (like in my tennis coach analogy). even if a student doesn't want to be a top 1% student (or if I didn't want to be a top tennis player), learning from someone who was a top performer can help them understand what are the highest leverage (best bang for your buck) efforts, to help the student achieve their specific goals. regarding her scholarship - many scholarships are given out based on factors other than merit. i don't know what scholarship she received, but if it was based on her background, city she grew up in, intended specialty, ethnicity, parents background, etc. then it may not be related to the strength of her application.

[@bubbybuckets8524]

She’s always rubbed me the wrong way

[@LIVEINPEACE2023]

I’m curious, are doctors taught how to speak without the use of excessive fillers like “like” or does that come in time? 🤔

[@kevinjubbalmd]

No it’s not taught

[@jaylaughlin7920]

Like “like.” 😂

[@Kelly22345]

I feel bad for her now

[@kevinjubbalmd]

she has drive and demonstrated success in entrepreneurship. i think she'll be fine in entrepreneurship, i just don't think she'll find continued success in the medical school admissions space long term. she'll likely pivot to something else. my 2 cents

[@suzimeier9932]

According to her vlog, she had a full ride med school ride

[@kevinjubbalmd]

Is that merit based or not? I have discussed (in other videos) colleagues/friends I know who also received full ride not based on merit

[@indrakamalyadav2921]

Everyone is quiting 😭

[@isiddiqui5162]

haven’t seen many quit, the sunk cost is huge and keep 99% in

[@khoitran8467]

That’s just selection bias. You see a KZbinr quit, you equate that to everyone is quitting. Trust me man, that’s not the reality

[@dremmanuelnwogu]

There appears to be a trend of people hating on doctors who have an active social media presence. It’s like program directors search your name and if you are active on SM, you are sifted off.

[@evanmarshall3487]

Maybe becsuse we have to work with these people and realize they kind of blow

[@chillwavezneuroscience2547]

I am so sorry, but I am not sorry at the same time, but anyone who buys a course from this child, that wasted 4 years, a spot to become a doctor, and just everyone's time she wasted leading up to this epic failure, is in for a big let down. She is making money now, but it is all about the fulfillment and she will not find that in a field that is not rewarding. She was not going to get into any programs and is now misleading folks that buy a course from her. I am surprised she is still sitting still with all the spinning she does.

[@AdvaitV]

He said the Family Medicine doctor can teach spirituality. Mannnn! Hahahahah

[@fabian9164]

I watch her KZbin video and all her saying are her businesses. I stop watching her video right away.

[@oluwaseunfagbamila6946]

i think she should have consulted you before making the video.

[@MartinOlieh]

Kevin your the best

[@mustang8206]

Honestly my initial attraction to medicine was the salary. I've always loved fitness and helping people to get healthier, but the salary was definitely my initial draw. As a kid I didn't even think I would ever make a 100k salary let alone a 250-450k salary like some specialties make. But I just don't think the juice is worth the squeeze for me. I absolutely hate studying and always have, but I thought that if I was studying for something I was passionate about that I would want to it put in the work for it. Instead, I'm halfway through my senior year of college and I'm miserable all the time and always wishing I was doing something else. My family is so proud because they believe I'll be a doctor someday and I don't want to let them, but I also want to be able to come home from school or work and be able to relax and be happy. I love learning about politics and history, I love cars, and the gym and medicine has robbed me of those things. Some say it gets better as attending but a lot of attendings are burnout, depressed, or even suicidal. Maybe it's time for me to move on with my life, there's an entire world out there of different careers and I don't want to be just locked into medicine

[@nadineahmed1249]

I think it is pretty hypocritical for you to say this considering you did the same thing as her

[@kevinjubbalmd]

There are stark differences as outlined in the video. Cheers

[@nicksim9154]

I'm sure he could make more money going the cosmetic BBL plastics shop route if your referring that money was his motivator like hers. I always figured he gave up on the money vs being focused on it when he dropped residency

[@Stereotactic_Shwermaectomy]

Tell me you didn’t watch the video without telling me you didn’t watch the video 😂

[@scottrezajafarian2502]

Competition alert!!!! competition alert!!!!competition alert!!!!

[@invictuous9222]

She seems super manic at the beginning of the video, she was so confident that she wanted to do OB and then the next scene didn’t want to do it

[@Nicole-kq6rc]

as a psych resident, i can tell you that she does not appear manic haha

[@gdaymates431]

That's her personality, lol. She is a chatty girl. What's next? Are you going to call her a hysterical woman?

[@garrisonboehl258]

@@gdaymates431 Respectfully, dont put words in my mouth. I was simply asking somebody who claimed to be a psych resident what their thoughts were on kevin's assumption that she may be hypomanic. I wouldn't be asking if I didn't find the assumption questionable, and was just curious for more info. I think you misunderstood my intentions in asking.

[@uglyz5091]

No nature no valid

[@michaelakintunde7662]

Love your honest and thoughtful take on this subject. Also let’s goo @shaunanderson 😁