KewCast Episode 27: Testing the Ronbus Ripple

[@El_Guap]

Thank goodness Dong is finally getting some attention for his technology advancements. Smart guy; good guy. Makes a monster paddle. We need to take better care of good people and take them all like Dong. That guy has been innovating for so long and has not gotten enough attention.

[@EddieK-PB]

My guess is he's about to get a LOT of attention!

[@SukieNau-r1t]

​@EddieK-PB have you seen your R2 getting any hotter since you've had it? If so, has the control been consistent?

[@Gwizkid89]

I was about to head to bed… but I need to know about my next paddle 😅

[@xrpl]

Literally same haha

[@huddy025]

Great podcast boys, great information and entertaining

[@ac8704]

Well, I've had an R1.16, R1 Pulsar, Pulsar FX 2... I'm a big fan of Ronbus, have never had any issues, and can't wait for the Ripple to come out :)

[@draingang4lif3]

I got the chance to play with the ripple a couple days ago. It’s good but nothing I’d spend $250 on. Despite being less powerful it think it actually had less control than the Gen 3s and Mod TA-15

[@dipstrothapbgoat]

Also gearbox is 1 year warranty to

[@brentnguyen4931]

It’s gonna cost $250??

[@scooterreviewsstuff]

Man that orange Chorus Shapeshifter is looking good! Really hope i can get my hands on one soon!

[@ClaySandefur]

I'm a 4.5. and switched from vatic prism flash and vatic flash to orange shapeshifter. Definitely more power/pop and still great control on the soft stuff. great paddle.

[@scooterreviewsstuff]

@@ClaySandefur I’ve heard nothing but good things about it!

[@shelbylangston329]

So I bought the hush and it's surprisingly fun to play with. I don't care about sanctioned tournaments so I'm not concerned with only a quiet approval, for now. I'm sure a regular usap approval may come since the owl is now approved. It's just a ton of fun to play with.

[@cardinals5516]

Thanks for another great podcast episode! I like the look of the orange Chorus Shapeshifter.

[@PickleballHangout]

Hey John, please consider adding balance point percentage to your metrics. The 0th percentile comment makes it pretty evident where it stands, but a percentage of overall length would be more specific and make it easier to replicate on different brands of paddles.

[@johnkewpickleball]

Hi, do you mean where the balance point falls on a paddle, converted to a percentage, with 0% being the end of the handle and 100% the tip of the head? E.g., a 16.4-inch paddle (41.6 cm) with a 22.9 cm balance point would have a balance point location percentage of 55%?

[@PickleballHangout]

@@johnkewpickleball Yes, exactly!

[@Bsteiny42]

Great pod, you're killing it! So with the paddle stock placement on the wall...one can assume the Thompson Paddle is next up for review?! Can't wait for this! gogo!

[@zorilla9898]

Ripple only has 6 month warranty where Joola has 1 year... Sorry but I'll pay $30 more for 6 more months warranty.

[@Cheezledzul]

Where do you see 1 year for Joola? Straight from Joolas website. JOOLA warrants the paddles to be free from major defects in workmanship and materials when used for the intended purpose under normal use and conditions for a period of 6 months from the date of receipt on original purchase in the United States and Canada. Aside from that you think there’s really gonna be any “manufacture defects” in 6months that don’t show up in 1 year?

[@bobbydigital7482]

The joola is trash and cheaply made and according to some upaa emails sent out to the pros over the summer the joola gearbox and any other foam paddles are going to be severely nerfed if not banned all together and the ripple doesn’t rely on foam to hit the ball hard

[@codyc640]

Joola customer service is a joke, good luck with that

[@chesterfrantz6209]

got only 3 months on joola gen3 before delam. joola only warrantee bought paddle. I suspect anyone who bangs n plays alot will delam joola same.

[@yasim9435]

Thanks, the Ronbus Riplle R1.14 rated lower in spin RPM than Joola Magnus gen 3 . Do you feel the difference out of the box and over time?

[@psycl0ptic]

Creative Electron should be able to sort out your paddle xray needs. but what you are looking for is equipment xray aka inspection machines or services, not medical xrays.

[@mr.mr.3301]

The problem is with expensive paddles is they wear out as well. I don’t know if they last longer than $100 paddles. I’m not good enough to care so right now my plan is to buy 100-150$ paddles and replace as needed. Beyond $150…. It has to be great and long life.

[@TheCrimson7272]

They absolutely are not worth the money with how long they last. No one should buy a paddle over 150, and honestly that is pushing it. You can get a good paddle, high 1800 rpms and good pop for like 90 bucks.

[@mr.mr.3301]

@@TheCrimson7272 that’s a true statement. I have been really impressed with my back up loaner pedal, which was $59 on Amazon. Hisk

[@carlrodrigues6919]

😅

[@carlrodrigues6919]

You can find good paddles 150 and less .example the Apollo, Monarch series and all the Mark paddles but foam core paddles are coming out 250 and up .when they come down to 150 is when I will upgrade..

[@jdtd2656]

Thanks, I will try that Eddie !!! Yes, I’ve tried both the 1/2 ounce and the “full Slyce “. Repeating my warning to all about all the staples and nails on the Hurricane Pro. Hard to locate . And not fun to remove . Afterwards , my upper handle looks like Swiss Cheese !!

[@pickleballdentist]

Hi John i think I might be able to help you with xraying paddles. A dental cbct might be able to capture everything and we’ll be able to look at it from different 3d angles. Let me know if I can help you!

[@theonlybaldie]

awesome sauce kewster!!

[@groot3371]

Today, I went to the Ronbus website to find out the release date on the new Ripple R1 and R2 paddles. I thought that the website would have something on the September 27th or end of the month release date, but there was nothing. Can you verify with the Ronbus owner when he will be publicly announcing the release date? Thank you.

[@Mr.DJones]

Thank you for your time. The Las Vegas tournament was the most poorly run tournament I've watched in 8 years of watching pickleball. The floor had dozens of dead spots, and players were injured because of its movement. That fence next to the court was another dangerous obstacle, seeing players running into it and falling down. Reffing was a joke because there were no line cameras. IMO, 80% of Bar's serves were illegal. Then after calling several replays, they fault him. But then overturned their call, even though we saw that it was totally illegal; his foot was not touching the ground when he hit the ball. What a joke.

[@honupond]

Regarding xraying paddles, check veterinary clinics. I enjoy your reviews and banter. Keep up the good work!

[@garrisonbennett2693]

Played in Vegas this weekend. The Acrytech surface was rolled on top of some kind of foundations that were put on top of the carpets. Not sure what it was made of, but it was awful. I actually thought the surface itself was pretty good and felt consistent. But the foundations were so bad, causing so many dead spots and dips. But another A+ podcast! Appreciate all your hard work! 💪

[@johnkewpickleball]

Thanks for the clarification. Was the foundation something like plywood?

[@garrisonbennett2693]

@@johnkewpickleball I’ll be honest, I didn’t look too closely at it. But the foundation was raised up off of the carpet a couple of inches, but it almost looked like some kind of metal or hard plastic beams that it sat on top of. Basically like a pallet, but with a single layer of material on top before they rolled the court surface. Again, I didn’t go digging to see what the foundation was, that was just from my glances as I was walking through! The original info I posted was from a conversation I had with someone who works for AT Sports (owner of Acrytech) who explained how it all works, and why there’s a huge misconception about what people are actually upset about!

[@garrisonbennett2693]

@@johnkewpickleball And according to the worker from AT Sports, they have no control over the foundation part, they only provide the surface material. The foundation is determined by the venue.

[@jchappanda]

John and/or Eddie, Is the ripple going to be your primary moving forward over the shape shifter?

[@johnkewpickleball]

For me, hard to say at this point. The Shapeshifter is still my go-to for drilling, etc. And the Ripple plays amazing, but I need to know if there's a break-in period where the paddle gets hotter. I wouldn't want to main something that is too hot

[@jchappanda]

@@johnkewpickleball thanks great to know thanks! If you have any update on the "break in" period before the 27th for the Ripple please let us know! I was planning on purchasing the Shapeshifter, but might hold out for the Ripple release! Likewise, I don't want a paddle that drastically changes over its lifetime.

[@EddieK-PB]

At the moment, I have 4 in my bag -- no primary (who can have just one?!?). Just depends on what's going on. Those are: Ripple (power/pop), Monarch Control (all court, leaning control), Chorus (all court), and the Body Helix X4 (spin/power)

[@douglasmurdoch7247]

@@EddieK-PByou definitely prefer the monarch control to the monarch all court?

[@EddieK-PB]

@@douglasmurdoch7247 they are actually very close in performance, and I’m good with either. For me though, the control has a little more pop, making it feel more lively.

[@davidalbright3486]

Check with a local orthodontist. They have cephalometric radiograph units that might work well. They are calibrated to control for magnification, so you would get fairly standardized images between different paddles, if you use the same machine. They are made to capture skull images, so the image size might work well. I’m sure there is a pickleball playing orthodontist that would love to help you. Worth a shot. Good Luck!

[@johnkewpickleball]

Great idea - I forgot that one of my PB friends is a dentist...

[@JimmySampson-w1f]

Dentist here. Dental X-rays…pan/ceph are going to be too small for what you need. I would check with a veterinarian or chiropractor if you got a connection with either of them. Their units should be large enough.

[@johnkewpickleball]

@@JimmySampson-w1f Perfect - thanks for the clarification!

[@prasiththammasithiboon4194]

A dental pano could work but it would need to be stitched. I’ll try it out when I’m back at work

[@rchoe83]

5:32 noted and applied gentlemen 😊

[@EddieK-PB]

Love it!

[@roberthowell9918]

Just curious if you prefer the 1/2 gram per inch versus 1 gram per inch tugsten tape, and why. Love your breakdown of things, so I'd like to hear your ideas on paddle performance with lead application.

[@monkmelodies-relaxmusic2339]

Yes, every paddle is next big thing. Lol

[@ArianaWilson-]

Great episode. How do you think titanium woven paddles are different from other surfaces? Will titanium be more expensive?

[@johnkewpickleball]

Go check out Pickleball Pursuit's podcast uploaded today - Justin did some great investigative journalism on "titanium" paddles

[@harryhoople1684]

The original Ripple was delisted by USAP on June 3rd because it was too powerful and failed USAP's newly instituted PBCoR test. (pickleball coefficient of restitution) We can assume the new Ripple is toned down and meets USAP's PBCoR performance standards. What's disappointing is that USAP has not released any information or performance standards for the test.

[@Andyofsuh]

R1 where do you recommend for weights? I did it at 7-9 and 5 to 3

[@dbliss1985]

You can get x-rays at a forensic engineering firm. They regularly x-ray products during product defect investigations.

[@Tal13]

I have a J2K. It’s great but the power/pop isn’t as great as the stability and spin is. If I wanted something that’s still easy to control, has spin, but has some more power/pop what would you suggest? Others have suggested the Ruby, Shapeshifter, and the Mark One.

[@carlrodrigues6919]

MONARCH ALL COURT POP AND POWER SPIN AND PRICE..

[@hruntingson]

Probably not cheap, but I’ve seen Adam Savage have guests help do an industrial x-ray/ct scan. It’s pretty amazing as you can view by density and manipulate the view in 3 dimensions.

[@El_Guap]

I’m calling it now, titanium Kevlar will be the next wave. It won’t make a difference at all in performance. FYI, Eddie is my spirit animal. “Eeeeehhh feels like a wide body”

[@KurtMueller]

Will it make a difference in the longevity of a paddle's face? Instead of losing 200 rpm after a month of use, will it only lose 100 rpm?

[@jimwaldemarsen472]

Thanks for the early review on the Ripple. I would have like for you to say something about the R1. You did say it had more power and less pop at the net which I like. What is the effect of weight and what the perimeter weight does to the SW and TW. Great job guys.

[@xxxg00w0pilot-KO]

Definitely would like to see the numbers of a mod 4 setup.

[@scottpriske6793]

For an x-ray, talk to a few local independent chiropractors. Should be able to find something.

[@jfktoo5128]

On a standard paddle, would it make more sense to use the 1/2oz Slyce cap?

[@johnkewpickleball]

Perhaps - if this 1 oz cap ends up being too much, I may try the 0.5 oz.

[@ajones68]

I’ve been testing it for a few weeks. Jesus Christ the r2 is insane. Such fast hands and counters. The pop is insane

[@sully7582]

when does the public get their hands on one?

[@HardyHarz]

Curious if you’ve played with other poppy paddles like the Thrive Azul, how it might compare to something like that or others

[@Dy1pickel]

@@HardyHarzsame thoughts. Is it elongated as well or more hybrid ?

[@EddieK-PB]

@@HardyHarz I would say it's more akin to the Joola Gen3 than Thrive. Different class of paddle IMO.

[@zachcarmichael699]

@@sully7582 John Kew said September 27 in the video

[@gww23]

Other than some slight size difference what is the difference between the R1 and R2 Ripples?

[@kylepickleball]

John, will you be doing a full review of the Ripple?

[@johnkewpickleball]

@@kylepickleball Yes for sure, but not until it’s released

[@kylepickleball]

@@johnkewpickleball thanks, I'm debating ordering the beta b/c things could change with production but all the reviews I'm seeing make this an intriguing paddle. Kinda surprised you seem to prefer the R2 over the R1. I've always gone with R1 but the characteristics you mention make the R2 a better choice for me.

[@samhockett8866]

Try a materials/manufacturing lab instead of medical facility to find x-ray or microCT. Many manufacturing facilities use radiography for quality assurance.

[@jdtd2656]

John, regarding SLYCE CAP, I removed (original) butt cap on a 14mm Pikkl Hurricane. Had to remove a plethora of annoying nails AND staples , like 6 fasteners in total 😮😮. Never been able to properly secure either SLYCE cap or even re-install the original PIKKL cap (in frustration ) using recommended methods without it eventually loosening up (initially ever so slightly then it gets worse over time ) . My Question is what type of glue should I apply to the end of my Hurricane to stop this annoying slippage . (Yes, I’ve also been using plenty of athletic tape which helps but doesn’t fix problem.

[@EddieK-PB]

I use epoxy. but warning- once it’s on there, it’s on for good. Best to try the slyce cap first, even if it’s a little loose, before gluing it down, to see if you like it.

[@caseycudd6275]

I had to wrap with athletic tape on my Azul to finally get it to stop coming loose.

[@mooremathewj]

I’ve used athletic tape to secure, however, after playing several games and sweating the Slyce tends to loosen. It’s enough to be distracting and interfere with any benefits the Slyce yields. I can’t commit to using an epoxy like JB wield to permanently affix the Slyce to the paddle. The B&B Shogun I used a Slyce “S13” and it fits very snug it’s not coming off.

[@romanhernz3839]

John which one you like best the Joolas Scorpious S3 16mm or the Ripple R2 ?

[@johnkewpickleball]

Before break-in, I prefer the Ripple R2. But if the R2 gets much hotter with more play, I'd go with the Scorp 3S.

[@romanhernz3839]

Thanks John appreciated!

[@kimballlloyd1127]

​@johnkewpickleball have you noticed or heard of the r2 or the r1 ripple getting more powerful since this podcast?

[@86309]

will you have a discount code for the Ripple? Im buying a R2 ASAP.

[@JimmySampson-w1f]

How’s the control on the Ripple? Hard for me to consider a 14 since I’m used to 16 (and higher).

[@TheLee64]

Is there any possibility at some future point that there could be a tool whereby a user can select a given paddle, apply their desired attributes “I want >= 7 twist weight, 115 swing weight, and a hand speed index

[@EddieK-PB]

Really interesting idea! Would be complicated based on additional factors of where the additional weight is placed; weight of grip tape; etc. I've been doing it by trial-and-error, but it can be a little time consuming. I bet Kew and Briffidi could figure it out though! LOL

[@kjkeum07]

Have you tried and ask veterinary clinics for their x-ray service?

[@johnkewpickleball]

That is next on my list!

[@ender133]

I'm about 30 hours into my r1 ripple and haven't had break in past maybe 2 hours

[@panamaslim595]

you own one?when will it be launched?

[@zachcarmichael699]

@@panamaslim595 John Kew said the 27th...

[@panamaslim595]

Have you heard about the new Crbn?

[@acurapro1]

Yeah new crbn?

[@jephbrink]

Is the ripple louder than the Joolas or Bantams? I heard someone say they are too loud. Something to be concerned about?

[@iugradmark]

I really appreciate the discussion on cores. Couple of questions. First, is core material really expensive? I don’t understand why companies would not use better materials like Paddletek or Engage seems to do. Second, I thought the explanation for all the early core crushing of Gen 2 paddles was from heat? It sounds like your conversation with Crbn dispels that. So is heat not an issue with thermoforming?

[@johnkewpickleball]

Hi, I'm glad to hear the topic of polypropylene interests someone besides myself, haha. Yes, prices go up with grades of polymer, so that's an area to cut costs. Although I don't know how much polymer costs compared to, say, carbon fiber or Kevlar. But for your second question, yes, heat is still very important for core corruption. It seems that several factors were at play in the early days of thermoforming leading to all the broken cores: too much heat damaging the integrity of the core, low-grade polymer with lower heat tolerance, and thickness variance in the polymer.

[@KO1967]

Question for John. When USAP/PPAA does their deflection test do they lay the paddle on a flat surface or lay it on a frame that only contacts the outer edge of the paddle? My speculation is that they lay the paddle on a flat surface and thus this would explain how the Mod TA/Gearbox can pass the deflection test because it is only deflection of 1 surface with the other surface pressed against a solid object (i.e. it's only testing if the core itself deflects). If the test placed a paddle on the frame that only contacted the outer edges of the paddle then this would better test for deflection of the entire paddle (i.e. everything inside the perimeter of the paddle including a trampoline or tennis string type of deflection). Do you know how the test is performed?

[@johnkewpickleball]

Correct - deflection machines brace the paddle on the underside and then press in from the top. But the brace is small (couple of inches). So it's ineffective for floating cores

[@Nix27.]

Im really excited to try out the ripple. It'll probably be my new main if it doesnt core crush and the durability is good, I.E No spin loss

[@EddieK-PB]

I've only got about 10 hours into it, but so far, so good.

[@Nix27.]

@@EddieK-PB That's good to hear! Can't wait to see what it feels like.

[@gg80108]

The Ripple is not available for purchase!

[@aznflamel3oy]

Curious if you could provide a ranking of plushness vs firm. It seems to be a factor that I would really appreciate when making a decision to try out a paddle but unfortunately not many paddle reviewers has a chart ranking all paddles based off their stiff/plushness. I know it's going to be hard to make that list since it's a very subjective feeling.

[@keithbrittingham3848]

Hey Jon, I am curious which paddle is currently your main. Also how do you have it set up? I keep trying to find a widebody/standard to replace my M2F 16mm but just can’t find something that feels as goood!

[@HardyHarz]

He’s using the shapeshifter with tungsten tape at 4 and 8

[@davehansen1169]

You may want to try the 11six24 Jelly Bean. I moved to this paddle from the M2 Forza. Excellent control, great forgiveness and fiberglass layer gives it much more pop/power than the M2 Forza.

[@mooremathewj]

Really interested in the mod results from the Slyce speed cap on a standard wide body. Any thoughts for a 1 oz cap on a Fat Boy?

[@dw-vu8nl]

Great podcast as always ! FYI I got and played the last 2 days the gen 3s scorpeus Collin Johns . I didn’t feel any difference in terms of power compare to the banned gen 3! And that’s supposedly the less powerful… I have the mod as well and the previous model

[@BlGSac]

We all love to speculate about Ben changing partners. But I think Ben is just happy he gets to play with his older brother.

[@danielchavez5807]

What's the grip circumference on the R2 Ripple? 4.125" or 4.25"? Not many standard shape paddles offer a 4.25" grip circumference anymore... Big hands here so I prefer 4.25" with a single overgrip. If I use a 4.125", I have to put more than one overgrip, but then I lose the bevels.

[@zachcarmichael699]

4.125

[@danielchavez5807]

@@zachcarmichael699 bummer... Thanks though!

[@love2jibe]

Hi John, I know you mentioned the sound, just curious how the ripple feels off the face - plush/soft feeling or stiffer/firmer feel (what paddle would you compare the feeling to) thanks!

[@johnkewpickleball]

It's stiff, but also has a softer feel off the face, similar to a JOOLA Gen-3. So the plushness is a result of dwell time and not a soft face, if that makes sense

[@love2jibe]

@@johnkewpickleball Thanks for the reply!

[@kimleith1378]

Looking forward to the NEXUS ProStar Foam filled core cells and a TI/carbon face. My question about PP is how these foam being used, adheres to the PP. Will it separate over time with impact, temps, etc. With so many companies using foam in the cores, this is yet to be seen. I'm with you John about PP core specs. OM claims to have their core material "specially" made for them.???

[@johnkewpickleball]

Good point about the foam adhesion to polymer. That seems to be the potential Achilles heel of Gen-3 paddles. For the JOOLAs, my theory is that the polymer core becomes corrupted near the interface with the foam due to too much flexion (that's where the trampoline effect is most significant). So that may not be an issue with the Nexus, given that it's just foam-injected polymer cells.

[@kimleith1378]

@@johnkewpickleball Hoping that the face material pressing against the foam filled cells, they will stay in place. Gotta wait and see.

[@ElzDscribe]

The prostar is so sweet, but it is heavy.

[@kimleith1378]

@@ElzDscribe Thanks, I swing with low 9s on all my paddles so it won't be an issue for me. Now it comes down to durability.

[@65atBestPB]

Good job guys fielding my “re-core my paddle please” comment. I liked Eddie’s observation that replace the frame and keep the core would also be in play. I’m not so sure about it being cost prohibitive … probably more of unwarranted profit prohibitive. For an example … assume a paddle company was selling you a $333 paddle that spin was gone in a couple of months. Assume that company was big enough to be advancing the best tech, including the evolution of cores … and let’s say push for plug and play standardization. Why not subscription pricing with that trailblazing company … they will improve cores x times a year (or frames) … and I get the new tech with my subscription. If I pay $666 a year, and get 3 new tech cores a year, didn’t everyone make enough $, and player stays up with tech? I know … troublemaker … I will let myself out. btw … I still think that Slyce buttcap weight anchored to your hand is suspect regarding the balance and pivot point. 😁

[@65atBestPB]

Racquet companies sold me $200 racquets that lasted 5+ years and those companies were profitable. Huh? 🤔

[@65atBestPB]

Some more thoughts on the replaceable core model: At the basic level, you either can replace the paddle parts that wear out, or you have a disposable paddle. Assume the following is based on moving away from disposable paddles. I’ve thought for a while paddles would end up (after rule changes) following either the table tennis model (rubbers) or tennis model (strings). Note … for this post not implying actual rubbers or strings, just guessing we will have table tennis-like blade bases, or tennis racquet-like bases. You could have blade-like bases, and either rubbers OR half cores on each side (think 8 mm current plastic core and carbon/resin surface applied to both sides of blade. My guess is any future core magic would be too limited by the rubbers or half cores, so for this thought experiment lets go with the tennis model (frame/plug and play cores) At this point … in this TLDR rant 😁, maybe some input on the mature tennis racquet/strings market … both costs and what we are used to: - $100-250 racquets, last 5+ years, tech not changing much - I restrung 10ish times a year, brought my own strings to stringer … didn’t play with gut ($30ish stringing x 10 = $300 a year) - could buy any string I wanted, change tensions as needed - I could go to local tennis shop, grab 5 racquets to demo, demo fee deducted from new racquet purchase. You could also have demo racquets shipped to you from online retailer. Not a perfect system, you were demoing with whatever strings and tension were in the racquet, and both strings and tension mattered a lot). But still better the buying a paddle you never hit, or hit for 5 minutes borrowed at the courts. Paddle tech is currently at it’s early stages, changing very fast. Many of us think $250 disposable paddles with short lifespans is unacceptable. How could that change? - just start with cost … my $300 / yr stringing cost should be more than enough profit for a paddle company to keep me in the equivalent of “fresh strings” - there should be a way to demo new paddles, new cores, new tech beyond reviewer’s OMG this is an awesome paddle, although I’m all in on the OMG and loving it 😋 - since tech is changing so fast, perhaps there is actually a subscription model that might use (I’m like Eddie … never go the subscription route … but surely there is an opening here that beats buying a new paddle every x months). Reload is effectively a subscription product … addressing the current disposable paddle nonsense. If one loves their current paddle, reps and weighting to their preferences, and you get to replace the single unit core with the new and better single unit core with similar weight … you just gave me my “fresh new strings”. Rant over … $300 a year is enough for fresh paddle strings … uh … I mean core.

[@folz17]

Just got my r2. How should I weight it?

[@HHHPedigrees]

Why are the Ripple not on sale yet?

[@johnkewpickleball]

The Ripple launch date is 9/23

[@amit212543]

What hat is Eddie wearing/where can I get one?

[@samuraistabber]

Centerline Athletics. Link is in the video description.

[@EddieK-PB]

The shirt is Centerline, but the hat is Under Armour StealthForm Uncrushable. Not cheap at $45 but it is incredible.

[@EddieK-PB]

PS - unless you're talking about the thumbnail... that hat is from Civile - sister company to Centerline.

[@HardyHarz]

Curious how the Ripple compares to one of the other poppy paddles you both liked - The Thrive Azul. Did either of you get to hit at 16mm version of the Ripple?

[@robedwards6926]

Hi, John Long time fan here! Wondering...do you have any plans on reviewing the Nexus Prostar?

[@winstonprather1582]

For x-rays, try and talk your DENTIST into doing it! haha.

[@mlee9049]

Hey John, are the specs up for the Ripple on your site? Good stuff!

[@johnkewpickleball]

Coming soon...

[@mlee9049]

​@johnkewpickleball Cool. What's your guess for the swing weight of the elongated ripple?

[@MartDeer]

Will pickleball become a spin game for the most part in the future. I think to much spin will take fun out of the game in the future,,at least for me. I do a great amount of of spin myself. But my point is I've been playing for 6 years, gotta a great grasp of all the skills,,,and would not like to be beat by a one trick pony,,,yeah that would really suck,,I'd probably go back to Tennis if the future is all about spin. Is there a limit to how much spin a paddle could have potentially to give ones to much of an edge?

[@carlosjgarcia2000]

According to the Ronbus website, the Ripple was delisted in June 2024.

[@zachcarmichael699]

The 16mm was. The 14mm was approved. Pretty sure he's working on a new 16mm too.

[@yasim9435]

Dear John, Could you please add data for the Joola Gen 3 Magnus 16" as your database has only 14" data which shows 2425RPM. Could 16" version of Gen 3 Magnus have ~500RPM lower ratinhg? How ? Don't both 16" and 14" have the same surface andonly difference would be stiffness but could it account for 500RPM difference?

[@lesterma1608]

Try ultra sound instead of X-ray ?

[@Dy1pickel]

What is the length and width of the ripple ? Is it hybrid shape ?

[@johnkewpickleball]

Standard: 16 x 8

[@mr.mr.3301]

I’m new to pickleball. So thermoformed Gen 2 just came out last year? Wow things are moving super fast.

[@HardyHarz]

We’re in the “good rush” era - things will slow down at some point, but right now it’s the Wild West of innovation.

[@mr.mr.3301]

@@HardyHarz it’s exciting for sure. Being new I do wish speed would be limited some way.

[@HardyHarz]

@@mr.mr.3301 Yeah a lot of us are thinking that atm. For the timbering, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em

[@tylerwhite8930]

Are they not going to include the R3 shape? That's disappointing if not.....

[@ElzDscribe]

You have the weighted tape in the wrong place on the Dunamis it should be on the bottom half of the aero holes.

[@douglasmurdoch7247]

Would probably do better on the top half of the aero holes, so that the perimeter weight is directly adjacent to the hitting surface.

[@ElzDscribe]

@@douglasmurdoch7247 it doesn't

[@pickleballnic]

Can you please provide the link to the hat that Eddie is wearing? The shape looks good for wearing glasses. Thx in advance.

[@EddieK-PB]

The one in the video (not the thumbnail) is from Under Armour. It's called the StealthForm Uncrushable. Not cheap at $45, but I wear it 5x more than any other hat. I've yet to find a more comfortable, durable hat.

[@jasonl7102]

For the Slyce speedcap, did you select the Ronbus Nova choice on their website?

[@johnkewpickleball]

Correct

[@JosephTMyers]

Is there anyway to demo the Ripple versions? At 250$ i don't want to throw down without testing--nothing both John and Eddie said in here said anything spec wise to entice that kind of money--Selkirk, Joola already cost 250-300 or more and none of their paddles actually make me want to buy them. Give me more data

[@kabob21]

Wouldn’t bother honestly. I have a Ronbus Pulsar FX R1 and it’s plenty powerful enough w a ton of spin.

[@Syndrome88]

⁠wait till you play ripple

[@scottfrancis13]

@@Syndrome88Ive played it the R1 good paddle but not real controllable like most Gen3s

[@jeansimmons9225]

😮😮

[@jeansimmons9225]

😅

[@PickleballHangout]

Did you try a chiropractor for X-rays?

[@hruntingson]

They or veterinarians might trade scans for ad time.

[@zachcarmichael699]

Chiropractors are quacks; physical therapists are the real deal.

[@hruntingson]

@@zachcarmichael699 yes, so they might be more willing to put paddles through their equipment. 😉

[@PickleballHangout]

@@zachcarmichael699 not the point of my comment... Some chiropractors have x-ray machines and may be more willing to allow him to x-ray paddles...

[@iugradmark]

I think when you take a wide body and add a Slyce, you may want to add your weight much higher. Your normal throat weighting is possibly causing some of your feeling issues.

[@johnkewpickleball]

Yes, that might be my "Mod-3"

[@jdtd2656]

@@johnkewpickleballJohn, you said a Hurricane Pro review is on your radar . I believe my 14 mm Hurricane Pro is very similar in most metrics to the Ripple R2. Look forward to any Slyce cap experiments and perimeter weighting trials that you will do with the Hurricane . I’ve done some experimenting myself in this area and would like to be able to compare conclusions . I agree with a lot of what Eddie said and greatly value the work that you both do !!!!! Keep up the great podcast

[@brianbanks3044]

i don't know the logistics of it but is there a way you can do chapters on the bottom of the screen to give topics for the video???.... Love the info but sometimes time constraints limit viewing and there are some topics that I can skip...thanks John

[@johnkewpickleball]

Hi, there are timestamps in the description

[@crestnut]

Will you have a code for when the ripple is released?

[@TCW1977]

he has 20 dollars off

[@johnkewpickleball]

Yes - JOHNKEW for $20 off

[@light1349]

When can we order that ronbus ripple

[@zachcarmichael699]

September 23

[@jordanmartin324]

Chiropractors do x-rays. I bet you could fine one willing to shoot some paddles for you

[@jasonb4381]

I’m absolutely loving the Ethos Dunamis. Strange that you guys have such a different take on this paddle. I felt Dustin’s review was much closer to what i’m feeling. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5qxlYZtf9qhZ7csi=a7Jrh9ajg-gyvIRI

[@giffy5775]

This is a play out of the Joola hand book. Release your paddle to content creators only and let them gush over it for a month, jack up the price then release it to the public that drank the kool aid. Massive sales then the common folk start to review it and the wave flattens out. Hopefully this one won't get de-listed right after everyone buys it.

[@logical333]

Ask Ronbus to make a hybrid ripple, pls.

[@russellgraves727]

I just checked the Ronbus website And it states that the ripple is not approved. I'm confused, can anyone clear this up for me?

[@farrisfcs39]

That was the 16mm. This is the new approved 14mm

[@Nix27.]

They haven't updated that message for a while. This new 14mm is approved, but it's not on their site anywhere yet.

[@terogan]

Are you friends with a chiropractor? They usually have x-ray machines and my wife’s chiro plays pickleball. Pickleball pursuit just covered the titanium thread issue in their nerd town part of today’s podcast. Said it is PET. 😕

[@johnkewpickleball]

Yes, fantastic detective work from Justin. We were chatting about it yesterday and he was kind enough to send me his sources

[@86309]

Gotta say it up front....Chris and Will, you are slacking on the paddle reviews....J Kew is smoking you! But I still like all you guys....

[@lucasg4170]

I’ll X-ray the paddles

[@johnkewpickleball]

@@lucasg4170 Nice! Email me at [e-mail]

[@ender133]

Still waiting for the ripple pi

[@win7techs]

x-ray try a local veterinarian office??

[@zeruth467]

Swing weight of the R1 Ripple?!

[@EddieK-PB]

I've got the stock R1 coming in at 105.8. The R2 at 103.2.

[@zeruth467]

@@EddieK-PB no wayyyyyy! Twist weight for r1 stock?

[@EddieK-PB]

@@zeruth467 IKR!?! TW of 5.4, but there's a ton of 'room' to add weight to bump up the TW and not impact SW too much.

[@zeruth467]

@@EddieK-PB holy crap, I’m sold

[@HardyHarz]

@@EddieK-PB I’m sold too - how do you think it compares to a paddle like the Azul?

[@foot_fault]

Yikes $250 for the ripple? I'll have to pass- sounds like a fun paddle tho.

[@zachcarmichael699]

It's competing with the $280 Gearbox and $280 Joola, so I think that's fair. Discount codes make it more like $225.

[@foot_fault]

@@zachcarmichael699 I hear ya. It's just not for me, price wise.

[@harryhoople1684]

Xrays were used months ago by USAP. From USAP's legal filing in the Joola lawsuit: "USAP had x-rays taken of these new models. Each x-ray revealed that the paddles are not structurally and functionally identical to the base model. Instead, each paddle contains additional foam around the perimeter that exceeds the single cell of foam present in the Perseus 14mm Mod TA-15 and Perseus 16 mm Mod TA-15"

[@johnkewpickleball]

Interesting - I missed that language in the lawsuit. I thought they cut one open

[@harryhoople1684]

@@johnkewpickleball USAP also did a teardown sometime before April 11th as noted in the Motion to Dismiss. "USAP “conduct[ed] a teardown” of the paddles, which revealed the full extent of foam around the rim and showed a violation of Rule 2.E.6.f, which prohibits springs or spring-like material, flexible membranes or any compressible material that creates a trampoline effect. USAP had communicated these results to Sport Squad on April 11, 2024, BEFORE the public release date." The mention of the xray is contained in the letter sent to Joola on May 30th explaining why the 9 resubmitted paddles also failed. See Exhibit F.

[@sirgenghiskhanh]

Didn't the Ronbus Ripple get banned?

[@ender133]

16 got banned. 14mm is new

[@SirDinksAlot]

The original R1 (16mm) Ripple got delisted. He wen't back to the drawing board and redesigned 14mm versions that have been approved. Visually you can tell the difference.. the delisted paddle will say "Ripple R1" on the face. The new approved version will say "Ripple R1.14" "Ripple R2.14"

[@mikeCavalle]

for x-raying -- call metal casting foundries... seriously

[@lesterma1608]

I’ll stick to the hush, most powerful, most spin less than $200. Hahaha people are afraid! Oh yeah forgot, does not get dirty!