KewCast Episode 29: JOOLA 3S Paddle Details and Impressions

[@huddy025]

Best paddle information in the game, thank you

[@Pickleballetc]

Great job on the database, John! I love all the detail and legibility.

[@Connor_Dempsey]

Looking at paddle trends is definitely interesting. Good timing, I was wondering what all the most successful pros are using.

[@aaronmorgan8864]

You may have mentioned this, but is it possible there are more Joolas medaling because of the sheer amount of players using the brand over Selkirk or any other brand?

[@JaxxCrash]

What weight perimiters would you recommend on widebody paddles especially to make it a good balance between singles and doubles. Monarch All Court is specifically what im referencing. Would love any comments on help cause im trying alot of different ways but cant feel what makes sense at least yet

[@800over]

I don't give Joola ANY credit for admitting that their paddles break down more quickly. They knowingly made paddles that wouldn't last as long and apparently were difficult to deal with warranty wise. Some people went through pades in weeks. That isn't reasonable. Shame on Joola or amy manufacturer that build paddles on the edge of failure.

[@jburton1419]

Just got a Joola Colin Johns 3s. No grit on the paddle. No ball dust. Is this defective?

[@zachcarmichael699]

John, you should try the drop serve with the Ripple. It's really effective with my Ripple R1.14, especially from the corner. I've actually managed to ace some opponents with it haha.

[@ericmandell7895]

With golf clubs, sweet spot moves toward where you add the lead tape. I imagine it' s the same for PB paddles.

[@davidosswald4622]

I like the breakdown of medals by paddle brand, but you need to also add the breakdown of paddle brands for the entire field. My guess is that Paddletek would end up looking better than Joola if you compare the % of field (probably quite low) with the % of medals (I am gussying much higher). I do realize that Anna Leigh and Christian are 2 of the probably few Paddletek players and are driving the medal counts.

[@jaystir]

Oh Yeah!!!!

[@HDBnB1]

Would love to see a segment about the new proton series 4 and if the $300 prove tag is justifiable

[@SchittsFrozn]

My Plantar Fasciitis got real bad but putting the Move GameDay Pro insoles in both my court shoes and regular shoes has really helped. I also wear ankle compression sleeves when I play and they make a huge difference as well. Now I can play everyday without worry. For those with P.F. that wear sandals a lot, you have to get some with an arch (Oofos sandals are the best IMO) as regular flat sandals will never allow the P.F. to heal. Hope this helps!

[@EddieK-PB]

Love the Game Day Pro! My favorite that I've found, so far.

[@kevolutionpb]

also use the MGDP! for recovery slides I would recommend hoka ora 3 they have better support and stability than the oofos

[@YoungRainMaker]

I just want to say as someone who is in the 3.5-4 range and plays about 3 times a week, I expect my paddles to last for about a year with decent performance. Replacing my paddle every 3 months seems a bit excessive to me!

[@hruntingson]

Compressed the core like a “spring like material”?

[@EricRogstad]

The claim at 30:39 that the set of players who play with a paddle for a year or more is a "small subset" seems suspicious to me. I would guess that there are more casual players who rarely upgrade their paddles than hardcore players who are playing many times per week and are very sensitive to changes in paddle performance.

[@harryhoople1684]

Good information filled podcast. Looking at the paddle database the difference between the highest power paddle's serve speed as compared to the average paddle is only about 10% (Gearbox Elongated 61.3, Azul 55.9). That probably translates into a slight advantage during a match. What we don't have is the serve speed of a corrupted paddle. 20% faster? 30% faster?

[@kimleith1378]

Great pod as always. Just got my NEXUS ProStar. Banking on the foam injected cells will keep any collapsing or deforming from happening. Adhesion to the PP is another concern. Wouldn't "break in" change the "muted" feel" as time goes on?

[@kennethknight9033]

you have talked a few times about the ripple. however i don't see where you can buy one.

[@Ternary5]

I think how many pros are using the joola paddles year over year is enough of a stat. The medals is a bit of a red herring. If more players are using that paddle, then more will medal with it. But would it not be more interesting to see how many pros are choosing the joolas who are not contracted with Joola. I.e. given the option, the pro would pick the paddle that they feel gives them the best chance to win. Would love to see how many have hopped over to Joola.

[@Lifespot-ep7vr]

I thk they are the best paddles, but don't last maybe 4 mo. with core crush/breakdown. They suit top pro's best who probably don't have to pay for them..

[@ArianaWilson-]

Thanks for your database. It helped me a lot in choosing a paddle.

[@mcnillerandsons7906]

I play Gearbox Power Pro as a primary and often fall back to my BnB Shogun. That one is significantly easier to control.

[@ImAHusband809]

jon, if you go to a tournmament what 3 paddles do you take with you?

[@lmrtnzjr2]

Where is that MacBook case from if you don’t mind me asking John?

[@HardyHarz]

In television, the 100th episode is traditionally a musical - get after it boys!!

[@EddieK-PB]

🤣

[@kabnis2022]

Do currently manufactured Joola Gen 2s still have these compressed cores?

[@johnkewpickleball]

Good question - I didn't ask him that specifically

[@86309]

So I just bought the ShapeShifter based on you guys loving it, and now you switch to the Ripple..I cant afford to watch your Videos! LOL. So have you officially put down the shapeshifter? Additionally, and most important, is I absolutely love all the tech data analysis on mods, it really helps, and I so appreciate the attention to detail, and not glossing over things. Critical thinking and analysis taking place then backed up by lots of play testing and your subjective opinions (both of you) added in. Great stuff!

[@setrazy]

Safe move! You'll like your shapeshifter haha. Chris just mentioned their ripples have broken in and become uncontrollable / far too hot. Was excited for the ripples, but very skeptical now

[@86309]

@@setrazy Watched that today. Agreed, safer is probably better for my game. But the power.....so enticing...hahaha

[@markwenstrom3778]

You’ll love the Shapeshifter. I’ve been playing it for a few months thanks to John’s review and have no regrets. It’s a balanced paddle in terms of control and put away power.

[@kabob21]

@@setrazy That’s an exaggeration. They just said it was getting hotter than they liked as it broke in but John here is stating that’s not happening with theirs. I play with Ronbus Pulsar FX R1 and its quality and play characteristics are excellent. They’re a pretty trustworthy brand

[@EddieK-PB]

Still in the bag! Used it last night at league. It was quite windy, so I used my Ripple hitting into the wind and the Shapeshifter with the wind at my back.

[@troymhamner]

When are we getting a review for the Reload?

[@romanhernz3839]

What is the difference between the R1 and R2 Ronbus? thank you in advance for your answered

[@johnkewpickleball]

R1 is an elongated shape, 16.5 x 7.5 inches, and R2 is a standard shape, 16 x 8 inches

[@romanhernz3839]

Thank you John appreciated!

[@kabob21]

@@johnkewpickleball The R1 is an elongated aero curve shape according to Ronbus but comparing it to my Joola Hyperion C2 it’s identical in shape, dimensions and handle length. Under the grip the pallets are identical as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re made at the same factory.

[@Lifespot-ep7vr]

I heard the pod about the R2 being too much power and increases with play. yikes..

[@ender133]

I am very offensive with my drop serve and ace 4.5s with regularity. 100% for it

[@khpickleball]

Do you have any videos of your serve? Would love to see it. Sounds awesome.

[@BrentNguyen]

@Johnkew Pickleball Do you guys prefer the R1 or R2 ripple?

[@EddieK-PB]

R2 for me. Better twist weight numbers = better sweetspot.

[@Nauptwellness]

@@EddieK-PB Have you noticed any changes with the R2 getting any hotter? Harder to control since you started using it?

[@MichaelCarnagua]

The Radar Charts are such a great comparison tool! Great addition to the database!

[@bearoverlandandoutdoors]

Wooot!

[@CohenAcademy]

Something to note, I don’t think the Joola Mod is allowed in PPA pro main draw. Only for amateurs and pro qualifier.

[@kabob21]

You talking about the Mod TA-15? That’s still fully USAP approved

[@CohenAcademy]

@@kabob21 yes but the PPA isn’t allowing it in pro. I was just there in Atlanta. I’m sure it’s fine in APP just not PPA pro main draw.

[@kabob21]

@@CohenAcademy What’s your source? Haven’t seen this being reported anywhere else or by PPA directly.

[@CohenAcademy]

Don’t have to believe me. Thats just what I was told and what I saw.

[@jimg6178]

What are your thoughts on TRT and pickleball? Is it helpful? Does it help recovery?

[@mr.mr.3301]

I’d like to see a new j2k and j2ti played side by side and then compare how they both changed over time. I’d be curious how they change and which is more durable.

[@kabob21]

Define “durable”. The J2Ti is still impregnated with epoxy resin and has a perl ply texture face meaning the ball contacts resin not the underlying carbon fiber/titanium weave

[@robbyneugent3777]

Will there be a full review for the Joola 3s?

[@Lifespot-ep7vr]

no need, it's a dialed down gen 3/Ta-15, that can only be used in PPA/MLP events or rec. play

[@randalljames857]

Do I need a desktop to access your website database… Doesn’t work on my iPhone… Or would iPad display properly…Love your channel and reviews….. Thanks

[@johnkewpickleball]

It should work on mobile devices, too. It was running slow the other day; maybe give it another try

[@randalljames857]

Tried everything… All that information you have and database pretty much useless… Hopefully someday you find a usable format…. All my friends say same thing… A serious waste of time!

[@Houjixful]

So if property value goes down then so does the taxes?

[@ShanePsaltis]

Love your videos but your chart is so confusing , also mic is way to sensitive , hear too much

[@TCW1977]

Are you finding you still prefer the R2?

[@johnkewpickleball]

Not yet, I'm still loving it

[@davecovington6461]

Best paddle info/analysis channel going. Also, I like the misc. pickleball info that you share. Thanks for all the hard work. BTW, if your wall ever gets to full, I would be happy to take a few of the paddles off your hands. You are welcome.

[@TheRealPapaBearChris]

If they are trying to deweaponize the serve and think that the drop serve is the solution, they are wrong. The amount of spin that you can induce on a drop serve is huge. Also, taller players will get higher bounces due to dropping from a greater height, thus have a greater angle of attack compared to a shorter person doing the same.

[@vito3845]

Using KT tape and oofos really helps with plantar, I swear by both

[@bart1476]

Problem with Lifetime is the fees. They have a good product but $180 a month is expensive.

[@markcrapeau4748]

Great pod by the KewCast team! I have a few questions if you can answer. First, when a paddle like the Joola's or other foam paddles become hotter, is it the foam or the honecomb core that is causing the change. I had always thought it was the foam before today when we learned that this was common practice for some time to put pressure on the core when making the paddles. Second, would an X-Ray image show if a paddle's core is corrupted? I recall Chris cutting a Gen 2 open and it was crushed from the factory near where the foam is but I didn't know if you would see that in the image. Thanks.

[@polkadotshillor]

What padel is best for spin and less than £100

[@honsolodinks]

Vatic Pro Prism

[@DogBehaviorSolutions]

@@honsolodinksprobably not priced the same way in UK the in the US.

[@Nix27.]

Probably the Monarch jelly bean. Or prism flash

[@kabob21]

@@honsolodinks That is not a particular spin-friendly paddle. It’s good for control w a very soft face

[@RoscoeT-f1u]

I find it surprising that Joola admitted that the Gen 3 paddles intentionally used polypropylene cores that were compressed, from say for example, 17 mm to 16 mm. So not only was the foam that causes the "trampoline" effect a "compressible material" that may violate 2.E.1, but so is the entire core. Don't you think this admission gives USAP the upperhand in the Joola lawsuit?

[@wd122]

I agree that the hand SPEED score is not intuitive! A higher speed score should mean more speed. The other metrics are intuitive in that they are associated with weights, so more force needed. It should at least be renamed to something more intuitive (speed resistance, etc)

[@robbyneugent3777]

Can you tell me whether to upgrade to the 3S or keep my SixZero Ruby? Based on your database the spin is slightly lower but has significantly more power

[@cardinals5516]

Another great episode! I'm looking forward to your review of the Hurricane Pro.

[@ThiccBoi23]

The paddles used for medals comparison has too many variables to say a paddle is what caused the advantage, unless you control for those variables

[@vanillaghetto]

Right, the lack of logic in the presentation of this data (in a vacuum), puts everything else into suspicion.

[@jdstuckey43]

I don’t understand how it’s always about Dekels serve. He does not win. If he was unstoppable or something I would understand it but clearly it’s not that big of a deal.

[@rogerlight9076]

Please add the slice cap to the Hurricane Pro for your review. I hit with it and it felt too light for my taste, but I am drawn to the spin numbers. I think a set up with the slice cap and six grams of perimeter weighting would be super valuable to get the metrics on.

[@snedew4336]

😊

[@johnny.torres]

Pros and Cons of Ripple R2 vs AB Scorpeus 14?

[@johnmarvincruz]

@Johnkew Pickleball please do the in depth review for the J2Ti ! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@brucesmith7473]

Paddle cost to much to buy every 3-4 months

[@barden82]

All of these serve rules are ridiculous. They need to nerf paddles and maybe introduce drop only serve, although I personally hate drop serves.

[@dkipu266]

Drop serves can be wicked.. The teacher i learned PB from thought drop serves would eventually be the norm, so she told me to learn and work with that.. You can rip at a drop serve with full power as you hit upward imparting large amounts of top spin on the ball. Same with corkscrew serves from a drop, I think pro’s will quickly demonstrate some awesome serves from the drop if they make the change.

[@mooremathewj]

I like your radar charts…using charts are great to visualize content and provide context. IMO the bar charts are too busy and confusing. Bar charts are probably not the best to visualize paddle data.

[@mcnillerandsons7906]

Are you doing a proton series 4 review?

[@robertharless3304]

Alva skates

[@bart1476]

Ridiculous these people complain about pickleball courts being close. If you live on a golf course you are going to get balls in your yard. Most pickleball courts are in parks. Heck if you live on a park expect some noise. It won't work making paddles quieter. People can play with older model paddles that make noise.

[@cberns4]

The difference with pickleball is it’s played a lot at night, when people are home and hope to have a more quiet time. I enjoy pickleball and play a lot but have you been near a house or inside a house that has 3+ crowded pickleball courts near it? It is insane noise. It’s incredibly annoying. And I am a pickleball fan. I’ve been at golf course homes, lived in one, you barely hear anything. I can’t compare parks

[@bart1476]

@cberns4 Parks have noise. If you live near a park expect noise. Kids make a lot of noise. You going to ban kids from parks. NO, so expect some noise near a park or live elsewhere.

[@vanillaghetto]

The HOA turned the tennis court behind my townhouse into two pickleball courts. Yes, from sunup to sundown my ears are assaulted by loud noise. And, it's not just the balls and paddles making loud noise, it's the people on the courts, too. Even, sleeping in earplugs every night I am woken up at 7am all the time. Believe me, 1000x louder and noisier than a tennis court.

[@bart1476]

Well if you live on a golf course you are are going to get golf balls in your yard. You live on a park people are going to make noise. If you don't enjoy sound move!!

[@Jadrianson]

Honolulu Pickleball Company is quickly dropping ranks in my book. You guys are dead on that the paddles have no consistent theme. Why name your company Honolulu Pickleball when you are going to make everything medieval themed...? And then you slap a bible verse on the top? As a non-christian, I really don't appreciate that touch and it comes off as selfish and shortsighted. And then to top all this off, when asked about how titanium isn't actually titanium in their paddles, he lied to cover his ass and said everyone in the industry refers to PET as titanium...no they don't, you just don't want to admit fault and look stupid. I was high on this company to begin with and the more I learn and consider, the less I like.

[@Houjixful]

Titanium is what they called it in tennis. This isn’t some new discovery

[@Jadrianson]

@@Houjixful This is not true lol Titanium used in tennis racquets has been actual titanium, which was mostly replaced with graphite these days because it's still light and more durable. They never called PET titanium in tennis because IT'S NOT TITANIUM AT ALL. And even if they did, that would be a boldface lie to customers, regardless of if "that's what the industry calls it."

[@iceberglounge]

29:25, you get it wrong then talk over John as he's explaining it...