Key injury updates & the Crusaders return to winning form | The Breakdown, March 31, 2024

The Breakdown crew tackle all of the news and results from Round 6 of DHL Super Rugby Pacific!
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[@kainoizking]

Cam was absolutely going to be the ABs starting halfback Jeff, what have you been smoking? “He was in the conversation” bro he WAS the conversation. What other halfback has literally anybody even been talking about this year?

[@thedappercook]

its media speak.

[@markthompson7817]

Sadly Christie does do it all across the park but nothing he does is outstanding. To be an AB you need to be outstanding at least at something. He creates no doubt in the oppositions mind. Great players create doubt, that pause to consider is the moment in which test matches are won or lost. Think, if you were the opposition and could select the ABs half back you would select Christie every time because you would know what was coming and could prepare for it. Great teams create doubt in the oppositions mind in every position.

[@nielvanderwalt1965]

This is the worst most diplomatic rugby nonsense show on earth. Atearoa rugby pod with james parson and bryn hall is WAAAAY better

[@KernowekTim]

100% correct.

[@TiG3R_NZ]

Don't know what you were watching, go to @17:17 "I think he was the form 9 in super rugby"

[@Endeavour02]

What do people see in Christie? I just don’t get it he’s was lucky to be in the ABs ahead of Weber

[@naph67]

as a Hurricanes fan, I can't stand him but since he has gone to the Blues he has been a solid halfback. Not amazing but pretty solid all-round game albeit behind a solid pack. There is no way he should have been picked ahead of Weber but I dunno, selectors seem to hate Weber.

[@michaelmoynihan9591]

He is the best of a bad lot.?😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@toddcham]

My jaw dropped when they are picking him as the starting test 9 lol. He's had some nightmares out there

[@networkn]

@@toddcham Same. Absolutely ridiculous.

[@KernowekTim]

Agreed.

[@pixelpotato4874]

Roigard was the No 1 Halfback in NZ before he got injured...clear as daylight.

[@toddcham]

I'm absolutely blown away about how they talked up Christie... He's had some stand out shockers. Passing, average at best. Shanks kicks. Knocks the ball on at the base of the ruck constantly. Defensively got his ankles broken and then out paced by a 7.

[@markthompson7817]

I agree. Christy does not play well when his pack is not on top. He plays well when he is well protected.

[@izakvanrooyen9209]

He also disappears in big games...

[@Nuhealth771]

Big time. Roigard is clearly the no 9 with probably falau fakatava of the bench

[@goonbosstv5349]

Don't forget he weighs about 40kg dripping wet.

[@MrK1ngi]

Hotham has always been this good. He showed this when he got his chances last year. He offers way more than both other crusader 9's put together. Hes still green but he has a huge future ahead. I still wish Fozzie played Roigard in the WC semi and Final....

[@Marius_vanderLubbe]

Goldie doesn't want to recognize Roigard as number one pick.

[@tuttyusbuttyus]

TJP is better and more experienced than F. Christie. Not saying Christie is bad or anything, but for the same reasons that JK was glad about having BB, I feel the same about TJP, especially because they played together for so long.

[@yE6sniping]

100%, TJ will be the starting 9 for the abs if he stays healthy now that Roigard is likely out. I dunno why so many people sleep on him, he’s much better than Finlay.

[@networkn]

TJP shouldn't be near the conversation. You could raise a child to adulthood with how long he takes to clear a ruck, and his pass is slow and often inaccurate. He has other qualities, but the primary job of a halfback is the clear the ball from the ruck and get the ball to your first receiver accurately and quickly. He isn't that guy.

[@yE6sniping]

@@networkn you don’t watch rugby

[@networkn]

@@yE6sniping I've watched every super rugby game involving a NZ team for 5 years minimum, and every minute of every single match of the last 4 RWCs. I've watched a lot of TJP. He has the slowest pass of any tier one international team in the last 8 years.

[@TropicalRainMan]

​@@networknwow you must feel special 😂

[@rubendutoit586]

Christie is not even close to being good enough to be the starting All Blacks 9

[@markthompson7817]

JK is right select ABs from any team in super rugby, this includes Japan and maybe in the future the USA. Why is he right. It was something that Foster, (he who I am not fan of) said. He said that the danger of selecting ABs from overseas is that they will be lost to regular competition and so water down the standard of regular play. In JKs model they are not lost just not being paid by NRU. In fact thought about that way we can have more ABs on better pay all the time. The would of course have to be strong caveats around player eligibility. This to me is a win win.

[@glenndouglas.T]

Hasnt JK always said "Beauden Barret is our best 15 and we need stop having players in duel positions"...?

[@stealthpakfa]

Take nothing John Kirwan says seriously.

[@goonbosstv5349]

Only dude on this show worth listening to AT ALL is Mils.

[@jelairefitzgerald2280]

On eligibility for All Blacks. Rule #1: Let the coach select! The coach should have first and final say. If you’re not the coach you have no say. Period. The coach lives with it. ‼️💯

[@RubyDoobieScoo]

There's very little I agree with the NZRU over but our eligibility rules are something I definitely agree with, if we started picking players in France we'll be picking all of them from there, Super Rugby and professional Rugby in NZ would die overnight, I'm not staying up until 3am to watch Ruben Love play a club game in Toulon, we'll be robbed of live sport, and the pathways to professional Rugby will shrivel up with only a few standout high school players getting contracts and within a decade we'd be lucky to beat Georgia.

[@goonbosstv5349]

Then we need to figure out how to pay players comparable salaries. I don't disagree with your statement in full, but as long as we pay peanuts, we will lose top talent - and more importantly - top potential, overseas where they can earn their worth.

[@RubyDoobieScoo]

@@goonbosstv5349 As it stands the incentive for staying is national selection. Another thing people don't realise is that after things like the retirement fund are factored in there isn't much of a difference, the difference is their yearly salary but they don't end up better or worse off. The only way to increase salaries is to increase the viewership by attracting overseas audiences, there's nothing internally they can do, we don't have a bunch of french billionaires trying to launder money.

[@markrutherford6010]

Cortez Ratima reminds me of Aaron Smith. He is outstanding halfback.Give this young guy some game time. He will not let you down.

[@nepiahemopo1702]

He's nothing like Smith. Cam is an extra forward. Demonstrates Dan Coles qualities.

[@markrutherford6010]

@@nepiahemopo1702 Cam is best there no doubt about that.Unfortunately he is injured. Cortez use to rate higher than Cam in the Waikato system.That is why Cam left and went to Counties.

[@takeiteasyyyyy]

I am not sure why Christie is in the discussion for starting # 9. Roigard was the #1 half. Next in the packing order would be Fakatava then TJP.

[@waynerobati6940]

Good on ya, Goldie! Totally agreed with you about Crusaders! Those young saders forwards certainly came to the fore against the Chiefs! They will be hard to beat going forward! Halfback caused lots of problems for the Chief's. Cheers

[@W_Misumzi]

JK is getting carried away with his Christie hogwash

[@JohnBooysen-fg6dv]

Love Kristie Stanaway♥️ All the best for you and the lil one♥️

[@catiepai29]

Clear as day, Roigard was the No.1 half back ! Fingers crossed he is not out for too long, I wish him a speedy recovery. I'm all for bringing TJ back in, and I'd give christie another chance, but how is Cortez Ratima not talked about more ?!

[@W_Misumzi]

Can we please take off the blinkers as far as Christie is concerned...OMG!!!

[@karltaylor2857]

Nelson. I answered it as soon as you asked it. I have been to the ground and there is a plaque there stating such. The ground is the home of the first rugby game in New Zealand between Nelson College played the Nelson Football Club. FinzUp!

[@MarkWhippy]

40:00 Serevi played many games for Fiji at 15's, he played 1 game in the 03 world cup when he got injured maybe thats what Mils meant. He was a better 15's player than people realize.

[@awblax1]

Charles Munro brought rugby to NZ. One of the houses in Nelson College is named after him. There are plaques and many tributes to him at the school.

[@pilifruean1324]

Please Razor don't listen to these guys, the overseas players already had their chance and they lost the Cup,its time to develop the fresh guys for the next cup,everyone deserves a chance.

[@nepiahemopo1702]

Yeah, get rid of Savea for a start. Right?

[@kidd2hoi524]

TJ Perenara getting slept on. TJ single handedly came on that Crusaders game. Upped the pace and we come back to beat Crusaders. He done that with the ABs against Scotland. Seems these lot suck crusaders eggs too much lol

[@Rugby-union-fan]

Somehow i dont think Razor would share goldies view on the halfbacks as for the eligibility rule i will just say if we could've selected anyone in 2019 we would've had many of the 2015 rwc winning side in the team that went overseas like Carter

[@goldenchild19]

31:27 Mils options is the best

[@davidpeters3857]

Excellent content

[@markimrie3616]

While SA have won a WC by allowing OS players to be eligible. Don't forget we lost a player for most of the final and still came a close second. I don't think locally based selection is the reason we lost.

[@izakvanrooyen9209]

Folau Fakatava have also been consistently good in a struggling Highlanders...he also turnover balls, is tactically good with clever kicks, sniping around the edges and almost always score a try... Way better than Christie...really sorry for Roigard🙏

[@goonbosstv5349]

A healthy Fakatava is a bad man.

[@mitakon21]

Great show, enjoy it tons, thnks😊

[@firefonua7696]

We lost the world cup last year because we missed kicks! We lost by 1 point with a player less! Why would we pick from overseas players?

[@goonbosstv5349]

Because they're better?

[@Rugby-union-fan]

Its a hard one if we couldve done that in 2019 we couldve selected a lot of the 2015 world cup winning side like Carter etc who went overseas.

[@nepiahemopo1702]

​@@goonbosstv5349Please, this is a subject for grown ups.

[@als897]

You only have to look at the WALLABIES and what the GITEAU Law did for them. They would select their players who left for overseas, and turn their backs on the ones who stayed loyal to Australia only to watch these European/Japanese bound players come back and take the spot they worked hard for, so what happened, they've all flocked to the NRL and not only that, but the WALLABIES had almost 80% of their Jnr WALLABIES the past 6 years have al signed NRL deals in both NRL development, Jnr Comps and NRL. With the NRL eyeing to have a second NZ NRL team, NZRU opening to the idea of overseas players will give way to the second NZ NRL team based in WELLINGTON. The SPRINGBOKS sacrificed a winning percentage as they went into the 2013 RWC with a 50% winning record not winning any trophies. This is where NZ will end up. The NRL are already raiding out Schools Rugby talents which includes our females as well as the NRL plan to expand the NRLW.

[@peefnow]

I love this show, living in Brissy Australia i miss a lot of rugby but you guys are always keeping me in the loop and making me love Rugby again. Thank you ❤

[@Mike-sh2cb]

Sad to hear not much rugby news in Brisbane. Second largest generator of rugby players in oz, not just intl players. Oz rugby needs some serious reinvention or investment it seems.

[@peefnow]

@@Mike-sh2cb So true about talent here. So many young great talent here but besides the Reds there is no other avenue for real growth hence why a lot of kids end up going to League cause they have better grass roots avenues.

[@nepiahemopo1702]

​@@peefnowNZ aswell, so I here. Rugby is different, players, rightfully go, where the $ is.

[@kurosakiichigo9545]

The real struggle for scrumhalf would be not much exp for starter since I believe TJ is at his best from the bench. As for flyhalf they really need to be consistently put Barrett at 10 for him to be comfortable there. Jordan is the starter 15 for me.

[@fossilmatic]

Over the course of six titles Razor never played it safe and relied on fielding players returning as first picks. He kept backing his feeder system at the Crusaders and blooded new talent. He has way more credit up his sleeve with the NZ public in terms of losing in the early part of the RWC cycle than Foster ever had. He’ll pick the players that fit the game plan he has to play against the Northern Hemisphere in tests, regardless of reputation,past experience or contract status. This idea of picking the best player in their position doesn’t automatically make a coherent team, hence the debacle the Blues have been for ten years. He’ll have a gameplan and it will produce new greats, not rely on old ones.

[@nepiahemopo1702]

Really? This guy deserved the right to be an AB coach. His tenue will be, and should be no any different from any other former AB coach.

[@rodwellchigome7567]

We as South Africans are very fortunate with the larger population and ailing governance. We have just far too many very good players that all our professional teams can't cater to. Very lucky that they can go overseas and earn penny and still play for the Boks. NZ just aren't as fortunate, but definitely something has to give. As Ardie says, change is the law, and he's completely correct, but I fully understand the other side of the argument. But ultimately, the kiwi audience will wane if their best players aren't in Super Rugby.

[@katatonickiwi8310]

Spot on. As much as I hate to agree with JK, he's right, if you start picking players from overseas there will be no incentive for players to stay and work their asses off for the Black jersey when they can just put in the same work overseas for 2 or 3 times the money. The ABs wont be as strong imho, if the coaches and union have no control over their players. You won't have players being rested for ABs from northern clubs for a start.

[@khankake9576]

Remember that we're the only country with a population less than 20 million that has won the World cup. We punch well above our weight.

[@michaelmoynihan9591]

​@@khankake9576only countries mate.tonga fiji samoa and not forgetting the poached aussie,s mate😂😂😂😂😂.

[@michaelmoynihan9591]

​@@khankake9576 only countries mate.tonga fiji samoa and not forgetting poached aussie, s?😂😂😂😂😂

[@yE6sniping]

Mate we have a ton of depth in NZ 😂

[@TheMachoManRandySavage]

It works for South Africa because their economy and their currency isn't very strong so it makes sense for them to earn overseas to offset their currency issues

[@camwells9726]

New Zealand players don’t earn much in nz either , much more money to be earned overseas, the lure of the black jersey is what keeps them there

[@J0sh351]

Saw England head coach at Auckland airport week or so ago

[@stevenbissett]

Unfortunate you.

[@mitakon21]

Crusaders No. 2 on the weekend was lethal, next All Black hooker, under Razor, by the '27 WC in Auss, out of South Africa.

[@briankelly7897]

Codie Taylor may have some years still left in Super rugby,George Bell continues to develop following his U-20 stint with the Baby Blacks, definitely on Razor's radar for 2027.

[@Marius_vanderLubbe]

T.J Perenara is turning himself into a reality show - with no reality involved.

[@stevenbissett]

I'm still trying to figure out your surname.

[@Marius_vanderLubbe]

@@stevenbissett How do you think you'll get on?

[@stevenbissett]

@@Marius_vanderLubbe Hard to tell. I think I may be dealing with a weetbix Kiwi.

[@Marius_vanderLubbe]

@@stevenbissett That's not all you're finding it hard to deal with, stevo. Have some more rice bubbles.

[@3rdBestMJ]

Richard Judd is New Zealand's second best halfback, I am serious. Very similar style to roigard, big ball runner

[@aidanleander5340]

Finlay is probably the worst of the bunch you guys mentioned

[@dylanmuller9492]

Hi guys I'm a huge fan of The Breakdown. Will it be possible to get me on the show? 😁

[@goonbosstv5349]

These guys forget Fakatava was the gem of the NPC before he did his knee.

[@user-uh2vz7yc7x]

Wilson doesn’t even wanna talk about the Lost of Highlanders 😅

[@DavidLimofLimReport]

Actually makes sense now that Kimberlee Downs moved to Sky from TVNZ.

[@KernowekTim]

If TJP is playing well enough then of course he's in contention. Hopefully Roigard returns, properly, healed. He's the future at 9 for NZ. Roigard gives reassurance that Smith will not be unduly missed. Similar thing with us an Jack, now that Jonny has taken his leave. Roigard is 'scary' good and he's still so young; he'll mature into a legendary 9, in time; please God 🏴‍☠☘🤟.

[@allanattwood3428]

Last thing we need is Barret back, now we need the player showing form not experience these old guys are not the answer

[@shake7691]

What about Bernie Fraser?

[@deano8052]

New Zealand has 5 teams. I hear a loooong conversation about the Crusaders and not that much about the rest. The Crusaders are great but please spread out your review evenly.

[@ianrhodes9289]

Best players should play for abs full.stop.easy simple sensible

[@mikescudder4621]

Very *cute* of the Crusaders to send a letter and jersey to adopt Wilson. PR that money can't buy.

[@bravedavid]

Kirsty is the legend the other three?????

[@MarkWhippy]

I think its rather convenient Savea is talking about changing the eligibility rules now that he's playing overseas, was he saying that last year? Looks like the Hurricanes are doing ok without him.

[@center__mass]

time stamos would be great so and can skip the other comp that no-one cares about thanks

[@burrowssj]

Are we really using SA as an example in the debate for overseas eligibility , are you joking me right now. They struggled immensely in the RWC, and the RC. Sure they managed to pull off the win at the RWC, but lets be real here, they won because of a red card and poor decision making from abs captaincy. They on paper should have lost that game. They hardly looked convincing, and could barely score tries against quality opposition. And Foster in all his wisdom chose to rest roigard for the final. Using them as an example is a joke, ABs were the better team and have been for a 2yrs, IMO - we're about to see a massive decline in SA rugby. These decisions take 10-20 years to see results. They're still coasting at this stage. There local comp is struggling just like NPC, we should hold on to our values a little longer before chasing after other nations glory. Imo the only reason we have our success is because of such a fierce competition at home, it's upto SR an RNZ to continue maintaining that fierce competition, and I think the next logical step is Japan and Argentina and somehow getting at least 1 SA team back into the comp.

[@filixt9]

Hurricanes Vs FijianDrua SemiFinal 2024!

[@kylelouer4323]

Does JK need to get constantly refer to dmac as a standoff?

[@markthompson7817]

He is making a point about the way he played not just the number on his back.

[@ifgfqageneration6939]

JK is having post traumatic stress disorder from the brain fart idea of Benji marshall at first five for the Blues. He didn't even recognise that the skill sets are vastly different. His ego doesn't allow him to accept his screw up.

[@kylelouer4323]

@@markthompson7817 he’s beating the point into the ground. We ALL know how dmac plays and it’s vastly different from other half backs. The point is, every word out of jk’s mouth is, both ridiculous and pushing the public to want union to be like league. It’s annoying mate

[@peternicolaides7679]

Why would Japanese teams join a competition losing money??

[@Marius_vanderLubbe]

Rhys Patchell - what an absolute joke of a signing. Why can't they bring up a kid from down there.

[@otagogold2236]

There is no one else

[@Marius_vanderLubbe]

@@otagogold2236 That is entirely the problem.

[@johnhessey2534]

Dear God robt put Caneron in the black shirt -most Cabterbury people were happy when he left

[@dimetilldeath]

11:23 Whats the point in showing statistics of games when Mckenzie has only missed two games this year? Ofcourse the Cheifs are going to have better stats with Mckenzie when you've simply just tallied up the numbers. Josh Jacomb wasn't the reason why they last in Christchurch anyhow. They just didn't have a back up plan to the Crusaders defence and once again gave up the pill to many times. Same ole story. Also Goldie talking about the Cheifs missing Brad Webber. Bro webber wasn't even starting last year for the Chiefs. Half back is the last of the Cheifs worries. Theyve got two of the best half backs in the country in ratima and row. Do some research before blabbering

[@zaheerlarey1294]

Omw! JK can only talk about Blues players. It's so frustrating listening to him. The sad part of it is that he gets to talk to coaches and selectors and express his views.

[@user-rn9co7jc4t]

Look ARDIE SAVEA is right Listen to your captain It’s a stupid rule and it should be scrapped and is based on old and traditional mindset. Let the players go out and earn their money and put them in a better headspace to play for their country NZ doesn’t have the money to keep their best players within Super Rugby and you have seen how the stupid eligibility rule had negative impact on the Springboks from 2016-2018 and how it continues to impact the Wallabies. An All Black team picked from the current SRP teams looks near pathetic compared to past teams

[@brendonkivell9887]

So they spent nearly a quarter of the show talking about a side that is 1-5 for the season who beat a side without their best player and barely any time on the team that is undefeated, on top of the table and only really got a mention because one of their players got injured.... maybe remove your lips from the Crusaders arses for once and talk about someone else aye panel?!

[@kainoizking]

This is standard bro any Hurricanes fan knows this. They never want to talk about them. They just absolutely smoked the Highlanders and they spent more time talking about the Highlanders than they did the Canes. Hurricanes scrum has been dominating, lineout is very good even without any AB locks or loose forwards, our loose forwards are dominant in the carry as well as our front rowers, defence has been lights out across the park thanks in large part to players like Billy Proctor who never gets mentioned despite being very similar to the great Conrad Smith, our outside backs are best in the comp right now… but still these guys are clueless.

[@brendonkivell9887]

@@kainoizking Exactly. If this was the crusader or even the blues starting the season undefeated, they would be all over it. That's fine, we canes fans see something special is building this year.

[@ianrhodes9289]

Yes simple dont have a rulebest players play so simple

[@matthewcullislive633]

If I was a Super Rugby player listening to these guys talk about how it's wrong to want to earn a better salary for a profession that has a limited lifespan, I'd be on the next plane tomorrow. That mentality will cripple the future of Southern hemisphere rugby because the northern hemisphere have proven that they're happy to keep picking foreign born players. The world is changing and you have to move with it.

[@goldenchild19]

Drop Christie and pick Ratima.

[@khankake9576]

Ratima has no experience at International level. He will be massively exposed.

[@goldenchild19]

@@khankake9576 only one way to find out

[@DavidLimofLimReport]

Imagine Kirstie giving birth live on air.

[@DanSeabright]

i'd give both my legs to play just 1 test for the all blacks, afterwards lol,

[@markthompson7817]

Can we celebrate and have awards for players with GB heritage?

[@aircongosney]

Ex all blacks should be allowed to come back after a couple years service. Its not ardies fault hes been this good for so long. Why cant he get paid and be available for the all blacks - which is win win as far as i can see for player and fans? Is this a professional game or not? Sick of these selfish old dummies and their corporate double standard nonsense.

[@NZTrumpFan]

Get rid of JK and replace him with Uggy

[@markthompson7817]

JK has a big picture view of things. Not necessarily correct but we need to be more open minded to new ideas. (Oh that’s right it is just what Razor said, we need to be more open minded.)

[@rizzmain2232]

Christie aint even good look at his numbers to current other 9s .

[@heinrichswanepoel6566]

Nice to rugby league doing well in nz . Now let me go watch some real rugby union . Enjoy league new Zealand

[@Rugby-union-fan]

Dont worry with Razor at the helm its over for everyone 😂just like the Kiwis did to the Kangaroos the last game is what the All Blacks are gonna be doing to the world 😁

[@Marius_vanderLubbe]

Is Kirstie with child - and if so is beaver the father: discuss.

[@khankake9576]

No. I am

[@Marius_vanderLubbe]

@@khankake9576 Furnish yourself a good lawyer. nobody should listen to that voice for any extended period.

[@andymut1]

So sad the AB's have grown up admiring in rugby is becoming so political... let talent play - Ardie - Eligibility Rules

[@foxyfoxyyumyum8511]

Tin of coco,coat hanger

[@mitakon21]

International eligibility is an All Black must...Razor is fully in support of it.."keep an open mind" is his discrete and diplomatic way of not upsetting the NZ purests.

[@mitakon21]

You guys are in the dark ages, come out of the archaic mindset. You must select international players, it's a professional, global game, you can't change that reality, NZ must adapt - you're to caught up in the past, projecting your myopic views of the past...be a NZlnd laggard at your own peril! Soccer/football thrives off the international player system representing clubs across the world, outside of their home nations or teams.