J. Krishnamurti - Saanen 1979 - Public Talk 5 - Are desire and time responsible for fear?

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@christianhitschfeld8295 6 жыл бұрын

This is essential for the one who takes seriously Krishnamurti teachings. If one has really realice the depth of the fact that the observer is nothing more than that which he observes, you can "hold" the self in your hand. Its nature became so clear. Then death of the selfs starts, or the dissolve of the self, with all its images, fears, ansieties, and surely confusion and misery. Its not easy what follows; to renounce to everything that thought has put together, but cames as absolutly necesary and full of dignity, and probably pain but reliefe as well. Actual freedom and liberation starts. The more effort and energy you have had put on building a certain image (as physical aspect, a certain status economic, social, spiritual, knwolodge - expertise, education, or whatever) makes the liberation a bit harder and with more suffering, but there is not turning back on that one. As you actually realize than the whole misery and confusion of ones life cames to an end, step by step. Havent found much about the "process of dissolution" of the self by krishnamurti, but you dont needed actually. Its a process full of beauty, solitude and implies confronting with ones world, cause there are demands and pressure of the context (people that deppends on you, economic, etc), which cames as kind of difficult. All this makes me realize how hard it must been for Krishnamurti to face all this, such an incredible responsability, with people going in their own egoistic way following idiotic and trivial, insignificant things. It actually made me cry deeply. Truth is actually something dangerous, there is no turning back when you realice in the deep levels all of this. But we can reach this state of emptiness, without understanding what is eternal. So, at some point, humanity will reach this point, and a new society might came to be. Theres only the need that a few go all the way so human counciesness can fundamentally change. I hope there are other that had taken Krishnamurti this seriously, cause the "process" is full of beauty, dignity and extraordinary necesary cause we must see that we are entirely responsable of all the violence in the world. An enormus violence.

@Rafasamplerdj 2 жыл бұрын

El yo es el pensamiento que ha conformado una personalidad"la imagen de ti mismo"..memoria,pensamiento=tiempo...es el observador y lo observado que en realidad son lo mismo sin división alguna,es el pensamiento jugando con el tiempo...ver el hecho de que el "yo" no es real sino puro pensamiento el resultado de un programa que cree ser el ordenador..el ordenador es lo inmutable y verdadero,no es ilusorio y no depende del tiempo...psicológicamente es como vivir una "realidad virtual"..es el poder del pensamiento en el que está atrapada la humanidad,sin llegar a ver lo que realmente somos..de ahí el "uno"no hay división entre tú y yo porque realmente el hecho es que no existe..es tu programa y mi programa operando en el filtro de la virtualidad,al no ver el hecho se mantiene,se perpetúa y de ahí el diabólico juego de la división....Para llegar a ello y si se es un buen empapado en Jk,las conversaciones del dr Bohm,Dr.Steinberg y J.k sin filtro y con plena atención...se ve claro que es el "yo"y toda su artificialidad..Creo que esas charlas son fundamentales para verlo y tocarlo de una manera clara.