Romance novelist Nancy Brophy's trial continues | Day 9 morning session

[@bettywhite6672]

I swear. I’m going to put this in a playlist, in order, with time stamps. Not too hard to do. Why can’t the news station do that ?!

[@MrAllysonn]

I agree

[@AnnPorterCourtTherapist]

Does anyone note that Defendant's defense is how could such a lovely wife with a lovely man and a lovely relationship - how could that lovely wife kill her husband? -- it could not be the defendant -- is that a romance story?

[@pumibel1720]

Good call! And like Nancy's books, that defense didn't sell.

[@isabellind1292]

Or a wife who doesn't care if their mortgage payments fall in arrears and they end up on the street when they lose everything but the husband's life insurance because Nancy would not let those payments be late! She wanted to be widowed & wealthy. And I also took note when Nancy talked about having to have reno's made after their house fire. I wonder how their house caught fire. She wouldn't be the first arsonist & murderer to come down the pike.

[@copicgirl8057]

This is the first "complete" trial I have watched now in youtube. I always wonder how it must feel to be in court for the first time because the women you sold a house or weapon to is accused of killing someone. Must be very weird

[@fatnurseslim]

You should go to David Lohr and watch Jodi Arias trial. Is it so good, no sidebars, in order. Just a tip though- defence attorney (male) speaks so slow, I speed him up to 1.5/2 to get through it.

[@benjaminperez1149]

Nancy Cramp loves that you all refer to her as a romance novelist. You forgot to preface that title with FAILED.

[@benjaminperez1149]

@@teebee9232 My mother belonged to the book club in the 1980s. My folks' house was covered with them. My father called them Whorelequin Romances.

[@Ifuckwithtrinkets]

Self-publishing is not failing. Lol.

[@Hifive91]

Nancy Cramp

[@hilhope7507]

Why was Nancy convicted of second degree murder and not first? The whole thing seemed premeditated to me, does anybody know? Thanks!

[@kylestotch700]

Oregon law

[@carolo6430]

The megan Light testimony; i think the défense should have Just let it go and say; no question for this witness your honor. She wasn t such a good witness for the prosecutor ànyway.

[@StellaFl]

" How many of the people practising their shooting are men and how many women?" "How many boxes were there in the storage room?" "How big was it?" "Were the scarves folded?" Is this defense attorney being paid by the question? smh

[@angelwings7930]

She’ll ask “what’s your favorite color”? next. 😂😂😂

[@sleuththewild]

She's maybe trying to stall to delay a later witness for whom she is not prepared. But, I agree, in general, she asks a lot of irrelevant questions.

[@myadhdlife4869]

She knows there is no defense.

[@tourdedogue4952]

Some of the defense questions may seem immaterial but, I usually come away with knowing why they asked that. Asking if scarves were folded vs thrown in, shows somebody in a hurry without regard for the scarf's value. To me, a lot of the defense makes her look more guilty. I'm waiting to hear she rented these 2 units herself, w/o his signature.

[@sleuththewild]

@@tourdedogue4952 I agree the defense is making her look more guilty.

[@tourdedogue4952]

I think we got spoiled by Haldorson's judge. This judge forget's which question was objected to and they have to repeat it. He doesn't once thank the witness's for their testimony and you know, for a lot of them, this has got to have been the most emotional 3 years of their lives, finally telling their story on record. Where's the basic courtesy?

[@GH-oi2jf]

I think this judge is doing an excellent job.

[@daddyboy3546]

Where you from, Minnesota? Judge is professional and respectful enough. It’s a courtroom after all.

[@tourdedogue4952]

@@daddyboy3546 I am from Oregon and a courtroom requires basic courtesy when a witness or jury has been given subpoenas to be there. A thank you from an authority of law is appreciated by people. If you haven't attended a serious crime in a courtroom you would understand.

[@KL-pd7cr]

@@tourdedogue4952 there is a lot you don’t see. I wouldn’t be making judgments like that based on the few hours you do see.

[@daddyboy3546]

@@tourdedogue4952 I’ve been in court in Texas, Georgia and Southern California. There’s polite, fake polite and firm. I’ve not seen disrespect from the court, but I’ve never seen a group hug scene either. Judges often wait until the conclusion and often meet privately to pay respects to the jurors who serve. They often don’t during the trial or otherwise in public out off an abundance of caution to avoid any indication of favor or bias. Just because it’s on TV and streaming doesn’t mean they need to perform to the publics expectation.

[@AlphaMom55]

Omgsh, that lady on the phone with the detective babbles on and on, speaks too quickly, and keeps repeating how bad her memory is and how everything is a blur. The jury is gonna tune her out. She needs to take a deep breath.

[@Hifive91]

She probably has not been in this situation before and she was nervous Abt it

[@AlphaMom55]

@@Hifive91 that’s very likely.

[@grandmasadvice3012]

Nancy can never say her attorneys weren’t doing a great job. I can’t wait for her defence, to see what they come up with. My heart breaks for his son..

[@tourdedogue4952]

Yes. After their testimony, both Mother and Son were sitting in the courtroom, if you noticed. They are very interested in the outcome, of course. Their masks, however, are nutty. Mask mandates in Oregon have been suspended but, even in a scant courtroom, they are requiring full N95's? gmabreak

[@sleuththewild]

Defense said (in opening) their case is based on insurance and law enforcement bias. That's what they've come up with.

[@potr6461]

@@sleuththewild i believe they have certainly been able to make some headway in that defence

[@hoppy6141]

Dreading the defense because those attorneys go on and on about worthless issues.

[@gala_pi]

@@hoppy6141 billing her by the hour ..the more the better for them..

[@goose7574]

54:45 WOW! This woman is truly disgusting!

[@wilsal2485]

Scary

[@candacesalim9659]

Agreed Nancy is insane. How could she say that!

[@debidriscoll8108]

Sounds to me that because this murder is about someone she knew she just wants her 5 minutes of fame.

[@potr6461]

now we can see why hey send the jury out - you can hear the lawyers in sidebar

[@MrAllysonn]

😂

[@starwarsnerd84]

What wa the purpose of that first witness? She added nothing.

[@potr6461]

i suspect the prosecution was attempting to fling a little mud, but the defence did such a good job of forewarning that they were not able to do any of that

[@Kayla-ed2rp]

@Margaret Gorbett I agree. The witness comes across as her testimony being absolute proof she is guilty.

[@tourdedogue4952]

Just making a bit of light humor in a horrible murder, but, continuing with the Portlandia quirks, like proximity of prosecution witnesses to an alleged murderer, bad sound, etc; why in the world is the video screen above and behind the witness who have to stand up and use a pointer. Surely we have a better courtroom in Multnomah County than this during this public sensational 6-wk trial! (Oh, and the Detective with the full head of black hair smoothed back and a beard....well, just noting, he sounds like Michael Madsen in Thelma and Louise.)

[@GH-oi2jf]

That large video screen is positioned for easy viewing by the jury. That’s what matters. The witness also has a small screen for viewing, so it is only when he has to use a pointer that it is a little awkward.

[@sleuththewild]

Isn't this a brand new courtroom? Like spanking brand new? The way it's organized is a mess, plus, there's no provision for technology. Seriously, white paper pads? Presumably, the screen has to be on that wall so the jury can see it. The other problem is that the defense attorney has Nancy sitting on the end of the table staring down witnesses. She should be controlling her!. Even the appearance of intimidation is a bad idea.

[@tourdedogue4952]

@@GH-oi2jf Thank you, hadn't thought of it but it's a lousy and very small courtroom.

[@tourdedogue4952]

@@sleuththewild Yes, why isn't the defendant on the other end of the attorney area! It's Bizarre. Just watching it on screen, it's freaking me out with her glare and her hand holding up her chin, very sternly, staring at every witness.

[@tourdedogue4952]

@@sleuththewild I don't think she's making a very good impression on the jury, she doesn't shed a tear.

[@barbaragrove6097]

She had time to ditch those computers between the murder and her arrest.

[@tourdedogue4952]

Good one. She had 2 storage units. Hiding shit.

[@tourdedogue4952]

Why do you suppose she kept them in the first place. You have evidence on your computer looking up how to change a gun out, why wouldn't you throw it into the Willamette or Columbia? Heavy enough it would sink.

[@sleuththewild]

@@tourdedogue4952 Good point. She might have assumed Google would retain the data.... She also might have assumed all the relevant data was airborne instead of on the hard drive.

[@tourdedogue4952]

@@sleuththewild Surely, as a 'good author of crime/romance novels', she would have research how the authorities can access all records of her computer searches.

[@hoppy6141]

How did Nancy not know about all those cameras that captured the license plate…and having damage and a parking tag that make it equally identifiable? The only thing she did right was leave her phone at home.

[@lindyhawthorne2164]

Ive been watching this case, but on different channels and out of order. Im wondering how she came to be arrested......what evidence was there. Thanks. ? A bit hard to follow it all if I cant watch in order. :-)

[@grandmasadvice3012]

Insurance of over a million dollars & he didn’t want to move & travel the world 🌎. He loved feeding the homeless with his father & that didn’t fit into Nancy’s plans .Justice for the Victims of this senseless murder..

[@sleuththewild]

Start from Day 1, opening arguments. There's a lot of evidence, and it would be very complicated to summarize, but the opening arguments tell you how the case lays out..

[@JenniferHogan-jz5cv]

He’s giving Nick Cage in Raising Arizona with his voice. 😊

[@sherrysegreti4478]

They put on a spread! What’s so big about saying that? Maybe she should of said, no thank you! Culinary school takes care of that!

[@kathyhooker4968]

It just seemed so cold "that's what happens when someone at the school gets murdered". HUH?!

[@sleuththewild]

That witness seemed like kind of a waste of time. They shoulda skipped it. I don't see what she really offered.

[@tourdedogue4952]

I sort of wondered that too. What's wrong with that? When I get nervous or frustrated around a funeral I often make stupid comments. And, food is first that comes to mind, and glad it's taken care of. This witness had nothing of value to add, even the phone call. What was she talking about referring to Dan's father?

[@sleuththewild]

Her wording "putting on a spread" wasn't the evidence. The evidence is: "when there's a murder."

[@judithengle7875]

I think she was just wanting to horn in on something exciting. She also rushed right over to the vigil, even though she doesn’t seem to have connected much with Dan for years.

[@JustMe-px9qy]

The first lady that testified…she’s a nosy busybody. I don’t care for her at all.

[@potr6461]

someone can say they think something is odd - but what if they are odd? who is vouching for the person who is testifying that they are not actually bonkers. When a prosecution resorts to presenting gossip, personal opinions and conjecture from random silly people as evidence - surely surely it is obvious that the cops have not really done the hard yards. It isn't enough to think someone is odd (different to you) and that they have done some things that have not been even asked about (or that the person who is within their rights to not speak to them) and are not explained when that is ALL they have.

[@GH-oi2jf]

The jury has the prerogative of evaluating the credibility of each witness.

[@awright119021]

They are presenting the statements the defendant made to her, not whether she thinks it's odd or not. It's up to the jury to decide if it's odd and if they give it any weight when deliberating.

[@KatJ3st]

That defense lawyer is a real dingbat. Or she 'pretends' to be

[@sherrysegreti4478]

Look like mamma and papa duck! 🤣😂

[@sleuththewild]

What quacks like a duck.....Lotsa ducks here. Quack quack. Baby ducks, too.

[@TexanturnedPeach]

I’m on day 9, I haven’t seen one thing yet that would cause me to vote guilty This case is a prime example of common sense & when detectives run their imagination and get a “feeling”. I could piece together this same case against any one of you. This isn’t a good case. Absolutely no evidence so far. DAY 9. The only thing (so far) I need to hear from her is was that her downtown that am and if so, why. This is

[@sammie2537]

I know for a fact Megan’s neighbors can’t stand her

[@Hifive91]

Do u remember at ur job selling a weapon that was used to kill someone ? I'm sorry but how can u justify selling guns as a job

[@pumibel1720]

How can you justify selling cars and food when people die from car crashes and choking all the time?

[@Hifive91]

@@pumibel1720 its not the same moral issue.

[@pumibel1720]

@@Hifive91 perhaps not, but someone has to be the one to do it, and I think that if we treat gun sellers like they are of poor character, we doom the occupation as a whole. I would rather that conscientious, law-abiding people be the ones to vet buyers and ensure the legality of a transaction. If we act like the job is seedy, then seedy characters will be be drawn to the business.

[@tylercoon1791]

Here's how you justify it: 'Sure, someone could use this gun to commit heinous actions, but it's more likely that someone will use this to prevent those same heinous actions from being done to them'

[@Hifive91]

​@@tylercoon1791well...I see what ur saying. However I don't think this case would be a good example to illustrate your logic.

[@kathyhooker4968]

I wish they'd take those masks off. Espcially the judge. No one is sitting near him.

[@GH-oi2jf]

Why is it any concern of yours?

[@starrlove2060]

Because covid is still here n they can't afford to get sick their jobs and lives are to important to risk that .

[@tourdedogue4952]

Some of those masks look like something out of a Twilight Zone or an SNL skit. Did somebody give them these masks? Specifically the poor mom, brother and family. And, all dressed so nice. It seems like another example of Portlandia.

[@sherrysegreti4478]

@@tourdedogue4952 I said looks like daffy ducks! All of them!😂🤣

[@sleuththewild]

I think you don't understand the role of building air circulation in disseminating virus droplets. Also, that mask design lets you talk easily and doesn't steam up your glasses. I've been using that design for 2 years, so I know. The judge is perfectly clear, as is everyone who's masked.

[@mrmtoad]

That witness was so vague, I don’t think she hunts mushrooms. I think she does mushrooms.

[@EMELSEE1]

Oy vey, with friends like Ms Light - who needs enemies 😱 she was different than what I thought, based on the recording.

[@awright119021]

Sorry, if a friend murders someone, they aren't my friend anymore. I'll spill every detail I know to the police at that point 🤷‍♀️

[@Jan88755]

The dad seemed like he didn’t have a lot of love for his deceased son

[@tomfinley1674]

This female prosecutor (well, I assume she is female, but I am not a biologist) needs to respect the solemnity of the court and the proceeding. Instead, she conducts her examinations as if she is a soccer mom.

[@potr6461]

which prosecutor?

[@GH-oi2jf]

She probably is doing a much better job than you would.

[@kathylynn7705]

Big yawn.