Khorne is Kinda Lame (Hear me Out)

[@TheBoneZone40k]

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[@patrickiamonfire965]

So have you played Soulstorm? If so which faction? I chose guardsmen.

[@Horus-Lupercal]

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[@Psyker_Unredactus]

I wouldn't call Khorne "lame." I would call him predictable. He is a blunt, brash, brass, angry hammer.

[@Sara3346]

The line between predictable and dull is a timeline measured in years, it has been ,I think, crossed.

[@JpGGG98]

Good ol melee

[@phnexOice]

There’s just not much that can be done with him and his followers honestly.

[@KCUFyoufordoxingme]

"Uninspiring and dull." That is a real dictionary definition of LAME.

[@Hallow_the_fur]

And honestly I kinda like it, Just the simplicity of it No grand plans within plans No guts spilling out and using diseases to weakin the enemy No crazy colors and sounds vibrating the enemy apart from afar Just pure strength and rage

[@thewerdna]

SKARBRAND DISLIKES BEING CALLED LAME! SKARBRAND IS A VERY INTERESTING INDIVIDUAL, WITH MANY HOBBIES AND A WEALTH OF LIFE EXPERIENCES!

[@MrAlucard0848]

Also SKARBRAND makes a kickass apple pie and is looked forward to at the company picnic

[@KomboAndy]

Hobbies like getting the belt from his father?

[@reallybig4868]

Haha classic

[@demonwind5030]

Alright there, Mr. Torgue.

[@InVinoVeratas]

I love TTS's take on Skarbrand's sense of honour and about how he didn't want to killsteal the two headed turkey.

[@picklefathernurgle2719]

I think you're thinking about Khorne too deeply. Khorne hates offensive magic because he views it as cheap, but he's cool with magic in utilitarian senses. He wants you to cut a dude in half with the power of your own musculature, not do it with a windblade from 10 feet away. But doing so with a magic blade that's on fire? That's just badass. Especially since Khorne isn't gonna bless you with fire resistance. That blade will cook, cauterize and blind you whilst you hold it as much as it will your enemy. Better kill the enemy quickly if you wanna keep that hand. Khorne does stuff like this a lot, too. The fleshhounds and giant metal rhino mounts he gives his favorites aren't mind controlled to be obedient. You want a daemonic hunting dog or a living tank to ride into battle, you better be a bad enough dude to beat the sh!t out of it every time it gets a little uppity. He wants martial prowess demonstrated in the most basic and brutal manner possible. If a Khornate guy learned magic but only ever used it to summon weapons to murder people and demonic reinforcements to fight in melee and slaughter people, he'd be down with that sorcerer so long that was the only kind of magic he used. In 40K its a bit easier to see Khorne's stance on magic. He has a sect of psykers that serve him that he's totally cool with. They summon demons, which just gives him more troops, but the major thing they do is project psychic screams into their enemy's mind in a duel of pure willpower where the loser's head explodes. Khorne is cool with some magic, but only so long as it isn't an instant kill/win.

[@yoshimitsuzk]

100 true

[@michaelblevins1651]

This is legitimately the best way one can put bro simply likes magic that can Be used to further Violent martial skills not “Magic wind gust”

[@picklefathernurgle2719]

@@michaelblevins1651 I think the "abilities" they give him in Total Warhammer 3 were a bit of a bad move, making a lot of the fantasy-focused newcomers a bit confused. Summoning fireballs and giant weapons to smash your enemies from hundreds of feet away isn't what Khorne's about. It would have been a lot better to give him abilities that focus on crowd-control and melee DPS. Making enemies berserk, slowing down cowards running from battle and a bunch of other cool, thematic abilities would have been better to show how Khorne can and does tolerates magic that facilitates melee combat.

[@Waffle-Habit]

This one comment nullifies the whole video lol

[@LordNeltharion]

@@picklefathernurgle2719 I haven't gotten the chance to play Total Warhammer 3 yet but from what little I do know about Khorne with him being my favorite is I think it would've been better to make them the Defacto Buffing "Magic" out of the 4, give em spells that makes both them and their enemies go berserk having it to where your units just get a buff to melee speed and damage and toughness but while buffing the enemies to a slightly less degree while having the enemy attack itself in their blind rage while Khorne units don't get that debuff due to being loyal to well Khorne. Make it so you can make your khorne units physically stronger and maybe lean into the firey weapons aspect but not "I'm gonna summon a giant axe that's hundreds of feet big to smash my enemies from all the way over here" and more of Summoning the Arsenal of Hell to carve up your enemies with. I think you made a great explanation into the type of "Magic" Khorne is okay with since all of the chaos gods have some kind of magic to some degree since they ARE made of magic.

[@fGlassmanN]

>Why Khorne Bad >“upon recommendation by PancreasNoWork“ Checks out

[@Eleven217]

Yup

[@EliteSlayer946]

I mean, he was just recommended the gotrek and Felix books, that's all. This is strictly his opinion. And besides that, Khornes honor code is bullshit he breaks on a regular basis.

[@fGlassmanN]

@@EliteSlayer946 I'm not seriously insinuating that there is any conspiracy between them, I just thought it funny to point out this synchronicity

[@EliteSlayer946]

@@fGlassmanN Fair enough

[@rivkab3525]

I'm kinda new to all of this. What's the connection here?

[@hd9y1jdjad]

World Eaters Warpsmith shaking and sweating when asked whether he used magic to bind a demon to the gang's Rhino "n...no!"

[@hd9y1jdjad]

This informal video format was great btw do more.

[@Jumezland]

Warpsmith: I used...uh... Blood lots of blood and...uh...SKULLS, and was... really angry? Definitely no magic though magic is...gross Worldeater Captain: *squints in suspicion*

[@master-of-frogs5415]

I love khorne for the pure “fuck it we ball” energy he radiates, and I wish khorne had that sort of feel to his psyker stuff, like, Gore Mages were a thing in the setting; khorne psykers can exist

[@sablebubble4630]

And they exist in AoS - Slaughterpriests can make the enemy to give up to the uncontrollable rage or make their blood literally boil.

[@Weberkooks]

Greenskins are so much more "fuck it we ball." and they aren't edgelords about it

[@morgant.dulaman8733]

@@Weberkooks Neither are True Khornates. It's just that Khorne's boys are like football players (the American version) while Gork and Morks Boyz are more like Football (the European Version) hooligans. Both are enjoying some good old fashion violence and laughing it up. One group just has more rules about it.

[@theodorehodbor5080]

Khorne is in a difficult position story-wise because his main beat is inherently more difficult to write interesting and compelling stories for on average. Shit like Tzeentch and Slaanesh inherently lend themselves to interesting political plots and storybeats while Khorne followers will almost always do what you expect of them: beating someone to death. That isn't to say it's *impossible* to write a good story for them but it's another hurdle they need to pass or else just become the faceless murderhobos meant to be the antagonist of those "Space Marine Battles" books.

[@Zahaqiel]

The trick is to have vegan Khorne cultists. Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, so beet juice - objectively the blood of a beet - is good too. Look, you expect Khornates to deliver a good beeting, you just never see it happen in the novels.

[@thorveim1174]

early stages Khorne can still leave room for deception until is too late for chaos to be easily stopped... take a certain Azariah Kyras...

[@morgant.dulaman8733]

I left my own reasons for why I like Khorne elsewhere, but I'll say this: I think an interesting way to give Khorne that extra depth is actually the opposite of having them be more plot-focused than Tzeentch or Slaanesh, but by melding aspects of the old lore and have what Khorne does to you depend on how you interact with him: if you go to him for a quick and easy edge in battle by making you and/or your warriors stronger and more aggressive, he'll do it...but he'll make it clear that entering into a pact with him on such terms will encourage him to exacerbate those aspects in you and your troops until you become the maniacs we're used to. Further, its usually not just a one-time thing, but you have to make that choice over and over again, losing more and more of the desire to try anything else as the corruption becomes more pronounced. If, however, you hold to a warrior's honor system of keeping your word with allies and enemies alike regarding when and how to fight, channeling the aggression through practiced precision, and as far as you can, keeping a somewhat noble or at least reasonable goal (protect your loved ones, avenging those victimized by raiders, killing Erebus not just for vengeance but because he's evil and it's the right thing to do) then he'll let you keep your sanity, albeit as a darkly honorable warrior. I like that idea for Chaos in general, actually: an understanding that Chaos will naturally *want* to grow and take you to ever-deeper extremes and the various Chaos deities and their shards have their own agendas, but you can make choices that effect how you turn out. If you role with Tzeentch, he'll backstab you from time to time, but generally you only get burned bad if you get so attached to your plans that having them changed causes you to rage at him. If you can laugh it off or role with it, he'll still role with you. Slaanesh wants to take your excesses to new levels, but you keep your aspirations, works, and indulgences balanced with an ideal of steadily pursuing perfection as an ideal, not giving in to overindulgence or hubris. And Nurgle...I'm not going to lie, I know the least about Nurgle and his appeal, so I'm not sure how to balance that one out. Any ideas?

[@Sorain1]

@@morgant.dulaman8733 Nurgle's whole thing is "I always win eventually." So Nurgle is patient, especially if your willing to make bargains like "As long as I infect X new people with Y disease every Z time period, Y doesn't negatively effect me." Mostly because Nurgle knows you'll screw up eventually and he gets his due. Khorne deserves more 'Blood Pact' style exploration instead of all berserkers all the time. If your not familiar with these antagonists from the Gaunt's Ghosts books, they're Chaos Guardsmen who maintain strict martial discipline, keep using tactics and are an absolute nightmare to deal with. (The things they do when they occupy a place are appropriately the stuff of nightmares.)

[@morgant.dulaman8733]

@@Sorain1 Now *that* sounds good in a very bad way.

[@setsunatenma9467]

3:21 no. Khorne hates haxed and more ranged magic since he views it as cheap. Direct amplification and physical stuff he has no problem with

[@iiiiiiiiiicecream]

Hey Arthur, I hear where you're coming from. It has always seemed like kind of a goofy thing to me. Like you're an entirely etheric being, made from emotions, and you don't like magic? Anyway, like a lot of Warhammer, it largely depends on how you justify it to yourself. The way I think of it is that Khorne doesn't like power that can come through being a freakin' nerd. If you can get it from books, he doesn't like it. But if you can bench-press 500 kilos of skulls that you've personally claimed, then he's more than happy to give you magical powers. It's not so much the magic he hates, it's the NERDS

[@Jallorn]

My thoughts precisely

[@jimbomcbob7849]

Similar thoughts here. Khorne doesn't mind giving you magical help if you're a frail bitch as long as you've tried to geniunely represent Khornes wrath. If you go to Khorne for free power without beating enough people in the ring, he's going to tell you to kick rocks (in his own angry paraplegic way)

[@j.jbinks9669]

I've always seen it as he hates sorcery as opposed to just magic. The casting of spells from behind your allies, the cursing of an otherwise capable opponent because you'd lose otherwise, that kind of thing.

[@iiiiiiiiiicecream]

@@j.jbinks9669 oh yeah, I like that one. Throwing a fireball from the rear? Coward! Summoning fire to your hand and smashing it into someone's face personally? Based and Khorne-pilled.

[@thorveim1174]

and in that same regard, khorne would have no qualm with technology and science turned to the purpose of war. Khorne doesnt mind nukes, because thats a product of purely mortal efforts rather than stealing the power of the gods themselves and having it do all the work for you.

[@StarshadowMelody]

With regards to the giant sword, I guess one possible answer is that Khorne just physically throws the thing like Zeus hurling a lightning bolt. With anyone else, I might not buy that, but with Khorne? Nah, it tracks.

[@n.3352]

Khorne isn't lame any more than he's blunt, with Khorne you get what you see, there's hardly any 4D chess trickery switcheroo like with most other gods. He's all no BS, no blablabla, just violence, blood for the blood god. There's a lot of people who like this, believe it or not. I mean we're in the same universe as Slaanesh for Big E's sake.

[@ayyitsrith]

They do kinda write off worshippers of Khorne as one-dimensional when in the case of worshipping a god of war, should be tactically sound. And along with that is the saying "Khorne doesn't care from where the blood flows"; it could also make his followers a bit more nihilistic, maybe? Like either you kill the enemy and offer them as tribute, or die and offer yourself instead. As for the magic when "Khorne says no" thing, you got me there. Seems similar to the case of Dwarves in Fantasy in which the only magic they trust is that which is bound to steel. So maybe the the enslavement of wizards to craft runes is allowed. You're not personally asking for the higher powers that way, but it's all mental gymnastics that make the Nails bite.

[@aidan-h3p]

I would love to see a story where a Khornate cult starts an uprising against the oppressive and tyrannical planetary governor, only to see the PDF they're fighting begin to paint their armour red and weld on spikes. Khorne was blessing both sides all along, because he never really cared. He was never the savior of the oppressed or the weapon of despots, he is war, and all will bend to his will eventually. All war feeds Khorne in the end, so unless you bind your ideals to his, there is no righteous conflict. The ends and the means are always him. You can either die a killer for the sake of killing, or live a liar and a hypocrite. That's just one of my ideas for some Khornate depth.

[@dean_l33]

Kharn is proof that Khorn does not care where the bloods come from, I mean for god sake his title is the betrayer. He'd rather you stab the brothers that have fought and bled beside you in the back than go a day without bloodshed

[@sheevpalpatine2128]

What if I just cut myself a little shaving 🤔??

[@ayyitsrith]

@@sheevpalpatine2128 A little treat for the Blood God

[@Frosty4427]

The thing is, there are Khornste psykers. The Blood Pact have psykers known as gore mages. Khorne may not like psykers, but if one wanted to kill in his name, they totally can.

[@Serbinderbintine]

Khorne is the most basic chaos god due to being in a setting based on eternal war.

[@Sara3346]

You think he'd be more interesting in another kind of setting?

[@christopherschlegel6412]

I think he'd be slightly more interesting in a setting with more diplomacy as well. When the settings are all "there is only war" it's hard to see what's special about turning the war dial up to 11 from 10. If factions could reason with each other a lot more, then having khorne be the faction that will not be reasoned with will stand out.

[@hauntorthegiraffebiscuit]

⁠@@christopherschlegel6412 I would argue this is why Khorne works better in Fantasy/Age of Sigmar, as not only are people willing to talk with each other and think about diplomacy but often work together against common enemies or help recover.

[@aidan-h3p]

I think Khornes hatred of magic is kinda strange, considering the nature of what he is. I would like to see khornes followers using magic and ranged weapons, but only if they can convince Khorne that it aint some pansy-ass shit. Imagine some hulking world eaters, naked to the waist, benching massive shells into a demolisher cannon or a Khornate wizard incinerating her foes with a lighting bolt generated by the vibrations of her abs. Imagine khornate cultists performing arcane, occult rituals to bind a demon by summoning it into a magical wrestling ring and chokeslamming it until is gives in while reciting the magic words. Or refusing to recharge their lasgun power packs, instead only scavenging them from their slain enemies and creating a refreshing balance between range and melee. You have to earn the right to fire that gun. Very Khorne. Imagine a Khorne spell that teleports enemies closer to you so you can punch them. Khorne should appreciate all forms of warfare, so long as they require excessive muscle mass and unnecessary violence, and the same goes for magic.

[@informationknower917]

I love this idea so much

[@Hallow_the_fur]

I love the idea of "Teleports you closer"

[@wernerfuhry]

100% this

[@sovietunion7643]

"chokeslamming a khorne demon into submission" is the funniest mental image in my head ever. all i can imagine is valkia the bloody summoning kabunda or some shit and just absoutely beating the shit out of the demon until it submits and goes along with her warplan.

[@Wanderer-nw2so]

Or better yet with korne's guns and artillery you have to literally punch the rounds to make them fire.

[@maksymilianbalewski2832]

The problem with Khorne is that all the interesting story around him and his followers is designated towards things that lead to the fall of the invidual and practically nothing that comes after.Khorn cultists are interesting because they are often the most tragic with something dramatic happening to them causic their rage and desire for revenge but it all pracitcally always leads to one end point Skulls for the skull throne etc. and once that happens all the build up that lead to this moment just kinda becomes irrelevant when there are so many things which still could be done two examples: World Eaters that are happy about joining Khorne finding him a better leader than a father who never cared for them or Emperor who droped Angron on the legion and peaced out.Angron finally broke the legion with nails but after joining Khorne they became a tool which serves them to connect better to their god.Story about that would finally help to unshackle WE stories from woe is me Angron sucks tax on their major stories that aren't about Kharn.Another example is the idea that Khorne next to Tzeentch is the god who leaves you with most agency as opposed to I'm depressed in a good way I must spread his gifts Nurgle and time to become a vessel for every vice known to man Slaanesh. How about a story about an addict who can't trust himself because he is a slave to his desires but wants to change, the inner conflict fueling his rage untill Khorne gifts him with nothing but anger from his perspective he can finally be free and true to himself, he could even see himself as finally pure and go harder on Khorne worship and philosophy that goes deeper than more skulls=good

[@darklink9922]

This is why I feel like Khorne falls a bit flat in 40k for the most part for me. It's that they kinda tied him to the World Eaters and I find that it's harder to relate to SM than to regular ppl feeling powerless and trying to find any way of regaining control in their lives. Khorne feels like a way for a weaker person to overcome their weakness and get lost in that pursuit but SM are already peak humans who already had to overcome challenges to become SM. Though not to say that good stories can't be told just that it's harder for me personally to get invested.

[@maksymilianbalewski2832]

WE do have quite a human trauma of trying to find their identity after it was hijacked by Angron,his trauma and the trauma that he gave them but their problem is mostly that since this is a setting not a story GW doesn't want them to actually move from it as it is seen as core to their characterization and while the Red Angel book is very good it means there really is no way to do something for them story wise

[@sercravenmohead3631]

That’s what happens to any follower of Chaos in general is that they lose individuality to whatever their vices might be, Slaanesh is the personification of addiction, you become what you’re addicted to like how Gollum in Lord of the Rings is addicted to the one ring and covets and desires it above all else. Nurgle is a resignation of self giving yourself over to stagnant decay and letting yourself die (metaphorically). Tzeentch is a resignation of fate and illusion of free choice, whilst technically we all are in this illusion his followers are just instruments of change rather than self determination. Khorne is the out of control emotions which leads to hatred and anger, without temperament you lash out in perpetual violence. All of these gods overrides your individuality and sense of self.

[@Streygenmoment]

I think an interesting lasting effect of a Khornate Invasion is to have the land corrupted in a similar way to Doom Eternal, in which there are spiked tentacles bursting from the ground, skulls and blood endlessly rain from the sky, and organs and muscles grow from buildings and statues to twist and contort them into mindless murder machines

[@saltylemon4436]

What about rivers of lava? Or is that too on the nose for hell maybe rivers of boiling blood?

[@DemigodoftheSea]

@@saltylemon4436 Por que no las dos?

[@Weberkooks]

That's totally not magical bro, warp being made out of pure warp energy, not magical

[@Sorain1]

"What do you mean the ground is cursed?" "There was a Khornite ritual here many centuries ago. While the direct effects are gone, a lingering curse remains." "What threat does it pose?" "Blood does not clot, and thus wounds do not heal while upon this ground." "That does not seem like a great threat." "Cut yourself shaving and you can bleed out. Worse, in theory enough blood shed at once may have very negative effects, so fights must either be as bloodless as possible or moved outside the effect." "Are you telling us to _not_ kill the heretics?" "Capture them now, executions where it won't open a hole to the Warp please." "What were they even doing here?" "Blood doesn't clot, this makes preserving it easier." "Nobility, of course."

[@goni2493]

$20 say that he keeps getting his ahh stomped by Khorne Players.

[@myonlyfriendtheend4958]

this video is kinda khornie

[@rankcascade9627]

HAHAHAHA

[@SentoLegion]

Khorne appearing in real space for 2 seconds and cleaving a World in half. Summoning a murder spell to turn even the most holy sisters of battle, against each other. Idk. Seems kinda badass.

[@patrickiamonfire965]

I Think hear Pancreashaswork shouting “YES A LIKE MINDED INDIVIDUAL”.

[@constantinepeterson6874]

Khorne blessed me with a perfect multi tap technique to skip ads. It's not magic, it's a skill.

[@Frostknight231]

The what?

[@JoelTheKven]

Khorne is my #1 "if I had to serve one of them". Tzneetch is cool but randomly mutates people into chaos spawn, so no thanks.

[@2guys1cliplol]

Yeah khorne is the most straightforward of the gods nurgle being 2nd.

[@Dap1ssmonk]

@@2guys1cliplolI don’t think Nurgle is straight forward, he gives you diseases then sells you the panacea to make the pain of them go away, he’s the god of gaslighting and love bombing. Khorne either likes the cut of your jib or he doesn’t, there’s very little inbetween.

[@knavenformed9436]

Dunno, relative immunity and immortality from Nurgle seems pretty cool. Also you get puppies of all sizes

[@cooldude6527]

To be fair when I think of demons I think of the ones that belong to khorne first. They definitely fill the spot of generic demons and I admire that they do it well. I would also like to submit my twenty-fourth request for a Red Scorpions video. hugs and kisses, cool dude

[@kingleech16]

If he does the Night Scorpions first, please don’t hit him with a stick…

[@supsup335]

I also loved the khorn we got in ttsd: the old Interpretation: the bloodgod, embodiment of slaughter, but also of justice, honor and fair play. It is that honest simplicity i always apprechiated. The guy who will never cheat, will always keep his word, and you get what you ask for, no strings attached that you didn't know about.

[@sovietunion7643]

this is kinda the view of khorne i take, and i prefer it the most because it gives more credence to the "chaos gods are forces of nature you can't really destroy" ideal warhammer fantasy has going on. i really prefer it because just killing the chaos gods isn't really an option when similar gods will just replace them since the winds of sentient thought have the same things in common.

[@derekburge5294]

HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO HEAR YOU OVER THE ROAR OF THE CHAINAXE AND THE TICKING IN MY BRAIN?

[@BoneistJ]

Khorne uses magic, which he hates, to stay even angrier, thusly fueling his anger powers.

[@johngoedicke9439]

Blood for the blood god! Skulls for the Skull throne!

[@kimarous]

I'm that weirdo screaming from the back "Khorne doesn't give a fuck about honor! He only wants you to run into head-lopping range!"

[@DewayneMcClure-bm2pj]

Well you're right, the honor is an aspect that comes from the followers more. He really is just a mass murderer. There's a reason Night Lords used to be the Khornate legion

[@wernerfuhry]

@@DewayneMcClure-bm2pj Night Lords used to be the Khornate Legion? Wait what?

[@DewayneMcClure-bm2pj]

@@wernerfuhry In Rogue Trader before the lore was more settled in second edition. Alpha Legion was the other Tzeentch legion alongside Thousand Sons and Iron Warriors were the other Slaanesh legion outside of Emperor's Children

[@wernerfuhry]

@@DewayneMcClure-bm2pj ah yeah that makes sense. Should have guessed RT

[@hudsondunn8385]

@@DewayneMcClure-bm2pj Wait then who was the other burgle legion.

[@shwackedgaming4186]

I can’t believe you didn’t mention the best khorne character GITGUD! The dude at that one tournament who shadow boxed and screamed BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!! AND FUCKING WON

[@mfreed40k]

GW wrote themselves into a corner. In the original slaves to darkness books they had ranged weapons and encouraged their use because it added to the tally. The whole insane-o shout monster wasn't how khorne was presented.

[@IRCannonFodder]

I would love to see more characters reflecting the Honourable Combat form Khorne can reflect. Not completely drinking the kool-aid or nails in the head. A warrior focused on being the strongest and deadliest and not being named Kharn.

[@wernerfuhry]

I would love this so much. Honestly, with every god. Show the apparently existing "other side" of the coin... But sadly, this wont happen, because this wouldn't be grim dark (aka grim derp) enough for GW. Very, very often, nuances and GW don't fit well.

[@VeraVemaVena]

Problem there is that all the rage that Khorne's followers have. It's difficult to be honourable when you're so angry you want to rip everything to shreds Though perhaps there could be a follower who learns to control it. Tempered rage is still rage, just focused so it can be used advantageously

[@BaranZenon]

There is that warband of World Eaters that still wear white and blue and more about being honorable warriors and actually to fight the influence of the nail. Also there at least two, which is know about, fan stories about World Eaters marines who's nails in their brain for some reason stop working, for a moment, like in that one where marine in the middle of battle woke up and saw what is going on and what he has become, just for the next moment nail kicking back in, or permanently, like with Son of a Woodsman from "The Doll" short story. Khorne was far more cool when he actually cared about honor and quality of the sacrifices. Like if some Champion of his tried to please him by slaughtering the harmless and not worthy enemies he would send his hounds after him.

[@Frosty4427]

For me, Khorne is the true face of 40k. He and the Orks are both the winners of the setting. He has exactly what he wants at all times.

[@TheRedMan77]

The most well-known war cry in the whole setting is "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!"

[@taelorpickel2830]

Khorne, Orks, may-be Nurgle, and the Tyranids are the winners of the setting in all technicality.

[@lennyganado3975]

@@taelorpickel2830 *the old ones being mad chill and jaking off in the 8th dimension* for sure man yeaaahh..

[@SparrowNoire]

I always wished that Khorne exhibited more preference for whence the blood flows. I.E. the slaughter of powerful warriors killing each other in bloody carnage pleasing him much more than the wanton slaughter of beings too weak to fight back. Khorne beserkers being the one chaos-corrupted champion to intentionally run past citizens in search of foes that could provide worthy skulls would make me like khorne a lot more. It'd be a BIG change/revision, since he quite litterally DOESN'T care whence the blood flows, but I think it would bring a bit of depth to an otherwise one-dimensional force of chaos.

[@malachimccann4612]

I do enjoy taking things and putting a twist on things like with Khorne i have a guy for my Slaves to Darkness guy who's a Khornate Warlord, cursed with a perpetual tally in his head, that will only get reduced when something dies to his actions and will always return once its been met with a larger number and its constant presence is driving him insane and that has lead him to do what ever it takes to have a moment of peace, forgoing any sense of "honourable" tactics to get a job done if necessary.

[@omegamansparkybubbles9159]

Khorne is kinda lame when they are all mindless hypocrite berserkers, but you also have devotees to him like the Blood Pact, who are so unreasonably cool and embody the more martial aspect of Khorne as a war god rather than just raw rage like normal Khornates

[@wahbegan]

(eyes fill with blood from pure apoplectic rage as i scream gibberish at you) no, actually you bring up some good points and i desperately need you to make that Slaanesh video because i want so badly to write my own video essay about why Slaanesh and Slaaneshi shit bothers me but uhhhhhhhh A i can't, B nobody cares about my opinions and C, it would be age-restricted and demonetized so fast so

[@RealAugustusAutumn]

I don't think the problem is that Khorne is hypocritical for not using warp powers, I just think it's the communities impression of him not using more powers that is the problem. Khorne being a god of martial prowess kind of precludes his followers using things that can easily kill an enemy, and this includes using magic as a crutch

[@Preach202]

I fully agree with pedantic argument, Khorne should either just admit he can have a little magic as a treat or stop using magic. But I actually kinda like that they aren't a major threat after the battle. It makes them feel more like an embodiment of the bad kind of anger. Its just a flare that doesnt care who its lashing out at. It exists to sate itself not to cause real change. It kinda represents the destructive cycle of not being able to deal with your anger in a healthy way. Khorne in his current state cannot manage real change only surving to set back others and scratch the itch of constant rage. That being said the lore could make the more destructive to suit that. Maybe they can burn or blow up more worlds so they cant be recovered.

[@thescotsman2071]

Honestly if they leaned into the "only powers we can use come directly from Khorne" idea more it could've worked better and it would make sense, warp magic and sorcery comes mostly for the 2 gods Khorne hates most so he'd probably want his followers to only have power through him (which they would pay for through blood and skulls) but instead the lore writers just decided that magic is just flat out not allowed and then purposefully bending and breaking that rule for some reason.

[@spartastic4]

So on a side note ablut Slaanesh, which you may or may not already have in that video, I really do think people focus on the "Pleasure" aspect of Slaanesh too much. Like the Emperor's Children are basically just Dark Eldar Space Marines and they do more than drugs, sex, and rock n' roll.

[@Gorbz]

Khorne hates magic but uses summons and spells, for the same reason Sisters of Battle can use powers of faith in psychic null zones - because GW says so.

[@RB-xc9wg]

I think Khorne very much suffers from retcons. He used to have the whole honor and gad of war and strategy as part of his aspects in older depictions, but in basically all books since HH he has become a very simplistic kill everything type (which he alwas was, but he lost the more distinct parts). These older parts, that arent part of the current state of the lore still get repeated by some, so he is a somewhat contradicting character. Also the hates magic is less about hating the spells/power itself, but rather the aspect of not being able to take the skulls/ spill the blood "in person".

[@excell211]

9:10, I always wondered why Khorne doesn't avoid people dy1ng. If everyone d1es, there is no slaughter, without slaughter, no khorne. The "magic" of khorne would be cool if it was more a "passive magic" that you invoke based on your will/rage/belief/zealotry etc. But I think this would end up being just like Orks, "if you are angry enough you can repel bullets", "if you believe enough in khorne you can be imune to sorcery", so on and so forth.

[@CousinJesse1]

The irony is the reason you think they are lame is the same reason I think they are awesome. Khorne is simple. We like fighting. We like to be angry. We like to use our muscles. Simple is clear, direct, easy to understand, non-complicated, refreshing. Being convoluted and multilayered is lame. Being the “dark and mysterious” kid at school dressing like Neo from The Matrix in the leather trench coat and samurai sword (Tzeentch) is lame.

[@richardch.4356]

One the main reason why Khorne is my favorite plus he's the only God that doesn't lie nor trick you very straightforward

[@an-average-box]

​@@richardch.4356he is the God of honor afterall

[@lennyganado3975]

For real. Khorne enjoyment is reserved for the chads who can relate. bitter nerds will resent for “reasons”

[@Hellacious-Blue-Liquid]

I think the nuance is missing. For a great example, Wrath from Fullmetal Alchemist! He was a talented politician, an extremely well cultured man, who had absolute and total focus bent on destroying what he hated. But he was never a frothing beserker, he was in control of himself, and that is what made him so scary

[@wernerfuhry]

Absolutely 100% this. Nuance is missing, because nuance and grim dark (aka grim derp) don't go together, according (mostly of the time) to GW. Which is dumb.

[@Dap1ssmonk]

@@wernerfuhrythe setting started out that way, and some people love it for that. Frankly 90% of the time GW tries to write nuance you get the all over the place emperor hating mishmash that is the Horus heresy books. I miss when it was grim derp, when every piece of fluff was written like the author had just got kicked in the unmentionables and had to vent his rage through over the top edge. Give me that back instead of “nuance” which very often has the same energy as “well aghually slannesh is more than just r34 and happy chemical lol”.

[@wernerfuhry]

@@Dap1ssmonk 100% with you. Grim Derp > Grim Dark always.

[@Dap1ssmonk]

@@wernerfuhry give me back my funny hats! the chaos dwarfs were 50% hat by height and i miss it.

[@matijasostojic4288]

@@Dap1ssmonk While I do kinda agree with your take, I would rather take "um akchualies" and even be that guy any day than for Slaanesh to just be "The sex god". There was this fanfic (And the example I am about too bring up can probably be found in any 40k book with Slaanesh stuff in it but I don't really read/listen to them that much) that I read which was about a marine. It was a small part of the fanfic but there was a moment where the marine was thinking about joining chaos. The marine liked painting, so when a Demon of Slaanesh talked to him in a dream, they had offered him an entire world to make their canvas. To express the literall millenia of bottled in artistic emotions. This is so much cooler to me than "Oh yeah join me if you want drugs and sex". Though I am very much a fan of the story and setting of 40k rather than the grimderpness of it all.

[@DetectiveLance]

Arthur, I hear and understand your frustration...but yo man, is that Marvel VS Capcom (1) character select music I hear in the background of your GamerSupps promo!? Nice!

[@robrib2682]

No, the clerics of Korne work for his view on magic. Because priests in the setting indocterate themselves into making a reliable, predictable and *limited* use spell. Its shown as he hates magic like how Prussian officers during WW1 hated snipers, they don't hate firearms, they just hate the seemingly cheap tricks that lack honor and might get it done (its the coward move so its at best ignored and at worst a mark against you, which Karne takes personal offense to). Then add in that melee combat and honor duels between masters of melee feed him and snipers don't and its a case of a faction that knows they need to use something, but stop where they need to use it (Kinda like how Korne views using starships, their needed but your not gonna see a Korne warband try to destroy an imperial battlefleet and leave because thats what they want to fight with or on. They are gonna hurt the battlefleet so it needs to retreat to drydock so they can do plantary invasions (because what self-respecting chaos marine values their honors above getting out of the war alive because they remembered to take out the AA guns on planet?)

[@fitness]

Number 8 don’t tell a Christian that prayers and magic are the same thing. Number 8a if a sorcerer can bench three plates without arching his back; he’s probably a priest of Khorne.

[@anguswaterhouse9255]

Bro is trying to redeem himself in the eyes of the insulinless goblin

[@CowboySkeetbop]

I’m not hearing you out… I literally cant, the screaming won’t stop. The butchers nails are screaming, they want me to sell you jars of honey.

[@LordTzeentch]

I play very narratively. I play Orks, so my Orks are just full on green tide, hundreds of bodies on the table ready to just pile in to punching Spacemarines. Once I played against Khorne one of the first things I said to him when he revealed his army was “you’ve got quite a lot of guns for a melee army” and he responded with “……………well what can you do?” This is not a Khorne response.

[@daylightwall5300]

“Can’t hear you over the roar of my chainaxe and the hammering of the nails!” - some World Eater in a rare moment of clarity

[@viggoblavarg856]

For me it boils down to khorne being kind of a shitty war god. Gork and mork are more compelling as war gods because yeah, krumping someone with your muscles is da bestest, but having someone pelt your opponent with potshots before you get to them is just good practice. I think if you just made khorne more tactical it would solve a lot of problems. Like, yes your melee dudes are the strongest you just gotta make sure it’s an even fight. Have a wizard cast ‘stop that’ on the enemy artillery so your good boys can get in and perform skull extraction surgery uninterrupted.

[@tyrantofcans465]

I like the idea that Khorne isn't just the god of Blood and Murder, but also Parenthood and Industry. "Hell hath no fury like a mother scorned." is one of the ideas that I love seeing in Khornate characters, mothers and fathers who saw their child die in their arms (usually to another chaos god) turning to Khorne and Khorne being like "That is fucked up man. Here, go kill people, let off steam". He's also supposed be the guy who likes it when you use your own talent (not other's) to kill things. If you're a damn good blacksmith, making guns, Khorne wants you to make guns for yourself so you can kill things. Khorne doesn't hate magic, he hates cheating. The sweat of your brow, own muscle is what he wants you to use. Not summoning twenty bloodthirsters to do the job for you, or using your magic hands to fry people's heads in the backlines, or using your demon dickery to turn someone into a pile of flesh with no comeback. Khorne is more a God of Struggle.

[@FigthAGAINSTSCOIALISM]

I find Khorne just gets used as a generic chaos entity. Seems most books you can guess it's a Khorne daemon.

[@jaanikaapa6925]

Khorne done well: Kurgan in Highlander, Conan, Sabretooth (comics), Bane (comics), Max Payne (game) and the Ragna Rock level, John Wick, original God of War games...

[@zachm5485]

Khorne has been flanderized as the big rage monster in modern warhammer, when earlier 40k and fantasy had him as a god of war, with hordes of berserkers being an aspect of the collective definition of “war.” But as Skarbrand and the world eaters, the berserkers side of the collective, became the face of Khorne, that’s what he became known for. The best way to fix it is to have more stories focused on Khornate forces that aren’t the barbarian hordes we’re used to. Something more like the Blood Pact, a proper military force that, while includes berserkers in their ranks, also fights with riflemen, snipers, artillery, even psykers (they’re called blood mages and all of their spells involve a blood sacrifice). Some ideas I have: A knight (40k or fantasy/AOS doesn’t matter which) has to balance their oath to protect a person or settlement while also serving the blood god’s desire for more blood, knowing that breaking their oath to kill the person and failing to satisfy the blood lust will both bring Khorne’s judgement. An engineer is designing a new weapon that will kill more efficiently to honor Khorne. A sniper or assassin who is mocked by their frontline comrades for fighting in an dishonorable way and having a low kill count, but are favored by Khorne because their actions starts and wins wars.

[@jyrkikokkola8547]

The best interpretation of a khornate culture imo is found in Dan Abnetts work, especially the sanguinary worlds (featured mostly in Gaunts Ghosts series). Especially with the Blood Pact, they are a martial force dedicated to (mainly) Khorne, but are not just blood lusting berserkers, but an actually competent and strategic military entity. And the culture they come from is even more interesting: they are depicted as having actual human like qualities, like kinship and affection for your family members or your squad. They also employ sorcerers in supporting roles called gore mages, whose style of magic/sorcery is very on brand with Khorne (read: very hemophilic).

[@sukmykrok3388]

If I ever get into KZbin content creation, I'd hound pot companies for a sponsorship.

[@Haloister]

So I'm reminded of a Black Crusade game I GM'ed a while back. For those of you who don't know it's a TTRPG where you play as Chaos. In this game there was a planet that the PCs went to that was held by Khornate forces in the midst of fighting off an Ork Waaagh. Within the ranks of the Khornate forces I put several different interpretations of worship to Khorne to try and keep it from feeling like a Planet of Hats. There was the archetypical khornate berzerker who was the greatest fighter sure, but he would often fuck up missions because he couldn't see the forest for the trees once the fighting started, there was the horrible rage monster that had to be locked away to keep him from actively killing anything he could get his hands on, there was another who was almost a zen monk who through worship to Khorne would let the tides of rage wash over him to he could achieve a state where his mind was freed from such things and he could be this absolutely perfect meat blender of motion all the better to blood let for Khorne, and finally a Blood Pact-esque career soldier who was careful and methodical consistently thinking of the best ways to fight his enemies with a calm and cool head so that their efforts could actually amount to something who was usually seen as a bit of a coward despite never fleeing battle. All in all it was a great place and I often look back on that game fondly.

[@NateJones10]

Khorne doesn't hate magic, he hates sorcery. Khorne is magic, his weapons and armors granted to his followers are magic. His daemons are magic. He doesn't use sorcery or the intellectual pursuit of learning it. His priests don't cast spells, they kill in battle and build faith to Khorne and then Khorne blesses them with his gifts.

[@nathanielhurley3960]

As a tyranids player, Khorne is best on the cob with a little butter.

[@decondanieth3822]

im reminded of a video baldermort did, i dont remember which it was but he started it off by narrorating a story about a knight fighting the forces of khorne, only to end up dying and waking up in khorne's realm. I found it way more interesting because the khornate forces werent just raving lunatics, but instead it was more about being a war god; kinda like nurlge is scary because he might send hordes of bloated beasts but those of khornate origin are terrifying because they are actual warriors-organized, skilled, and relentless as their goal is the battle itself. 40k could def use something more in that direction, at least as a parallel route to the standard frothing barbarian. kind of like how tzeentch touched individuals mild be sorcerers and or they may be manipulators or the like, khorne could have this other route on the table too

[@Olodus]

Dude, you hit the nail on the head so hard in all of these Chaos God videos. I get that Khorne would not "like" sorcery as it makes sense that it would prefer people who get things done by their own strength rather than by "spells". But yes, you 100% correct that it is stupid that Khorne would "hate" magic. I think rather Khorne would think people should be blessed by magic because of their strength and because of their victories in previous trials. Khorne should be for gaining favors by merit and hard work and would not like someone getting to the top by being "smart". Khorne prefers blessing someone with strength to go and get shit done rather than giving them the ability to cast a fireball that solves the issue without you having to get your hands dirty. Anger to make you go something, not intellectual analysis of what actually should be done. And to your second point - YES have Khorne followers be more interesting. Have have more types of them. Have Khorne followers that doesn't need to be red... Make Khorne chaos space marines that are a black knight chapter or something (totally different from the Fallen). They could take some of the honor-ideals that Khorne has but also still have the love of battle and bloodshed. Or go the "consumed by revenge" route as a lasting impact Khorne can have on societies. How about societies being in perpetual wars because of honor and revenge and blood-oaths. That kind of horror happens in real life. That should be Khorne. And how are there no Blood Angel fallen to Khorne. Or are there? I don't know that much lore so I might have missed something. Let me know.

[@vicentetemes5793]

The way I like writing Khornate "divine effects", as it were, is that Khorne actually doesn't mind magic so long as you're actually still fighting honorably. Zapping a defenseless civilian with a fireball she has zero chance to defend herself from is cringe (whereas stabbing her with your supersoldier glutes is perfectly fine; Khorne's philosophy is internally consistent in that he is an asshole). But zapping another wizard with a fireball? Perfectly fine. Casting teleportation so you and the boys can get to the next battlefield as quickly as possible? Very clever. Summoning daemons so you have something to fight, or invoking an evil sigil that will drive everyone in a 5 mile radius into a murder-frenzy so they will all start killing, or just invoking a big ol crate of demonically infused bullets, that's all fine because the end result is a fight that is, on some level, fair. And yes, I do think as the god of war an violence who doesn't care from where the blood flows, Khorne should be absolutely fine with fighting at range so long as the enemy being fought against also had similar capacities. Less firing at random people from atop a bell tower, more MGS3's The End.

[@fishpop]

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[@myself2noone]

Funnily enough, our boy Ciaphas Cain already pointed this out. Saying that if you're dealing with a Chaos cult Khorne is the best option due to them not liking ranged weapons and general enthusiasm for death, meaning they burn out quickly.

[@Goose-Man1]

They have done khorn and the world eaters dirty.

[@jonatanstefansson1847]

You are right and you should say it. Fundamentally the followers of chaos are murderous vindictive psychos but the three other gods have an 'and' appended there, murderous vindictive psychos with zombies, biowarfare and poison, murderous vindictive psychos and Machiavellian wizards, murderous vindictive psychos and thrill-seeking addictions and narcissism. Khorne just has the double serving, and gets flattened into one note. Personally I think the melee focus is actually worse for the flavour and lore than the anti-magic. A god of war that kneecaps his own armies into the dumbest tactics possible is worse than a highly stupid hypocrisy, and I think it has had worse knock on effects on the lore written. I have a huge World Eaters army actually, but I just go by the rogue trader era, where they still saw the value in using heavy weapons.

[@zaneaustin3021]

I’m really interested to know why you have such a big World Eaters army, even though you don’t like their lore. Is there something about World Eaters/ Khorne that is appealing to you? Something that is rarely seen in the lore?

[@jonatanstefansson1847]

@@zaneaustin3021 I didn't actually pick the legion, it is originally my father's army. It was started during rogue trader, and I'm pretty sure the lore shifted under it, since they specifically state the World Eaters ALL became berzerkers in the 2nd ed codex, but have devastator/havoc squads in Slaves to Darkness. Mixed armies with elements of different chaos gods were very viable and allowed from 2nd to 5th ed, have they all died now? What I like about Khorne, especially for chaos marines, is that he fundamentally is the war god, and thus should be the most important presence in a dedicated wargame, and be the first pick of god for fallen space marines, who are more than full time professional soldiers. My father's ideal chaos marine was Jes Goodwin's original Khorne 'zerker from 1990, if you've seen him, with the bolter and chainsword. And he liked them because they were mixed-role! he envisioned chaos marines to be armed a lot like tactical marines but also equipped with swords, essentially able to perform as tactical or assault as needed. Which obviously requires soldiers who can actually listen to orders. So the short answer is, I like my World Eaters army to behave like an organization that could last and maintain itself in the long war, where I can't actually imagine the World Eaters as written by GW NOT exterminating themselves long before M.33. A violent, barbarian warrior cult, yes, but one which can actually understand it's role and function as a spec ops force fighting a strategic guerilla war against an opponent with a thousand times their territory and human capital.

[@clearlypellucid]

I actually think they should do a lore reconfiguration of the warp and the things in it in general. Honestly, Slaanesh is the only one that I feel is truly consistent. She's hedonism. That's it. Very focused. But hedonism in all its forms; serial killers are hedonists, nymphos are hedonists, drug addicts are hedonists, some people get pleasure out of manipulating people, etc. If you're only doing what you're doing because or primarily because it feels good, you're feeding Slaanesh. That makes sense. And the more you worship, the farther you sink into more and more extreme depravity, since eventually you become dulled to the pleasure of the drug you're doing and need a stronger one. Then a stronger one. Then a stronger one. Once the corruption takes hold, it's very hard to halt that slide and you begin your descent into becoming a mindless slave of Slaanesh. But why is Nurgle decay AND growth? Aren't those opposites? And how exactly do you begin your "descent" into the depths of...growth and decay? Also, how is "growth and decay" a manifestation of the urges and behavior of sentient things, which is how powerful warp entities come about? It doesn't make any sense. So how do you feed Nurgle? By...growing and decaying? Isn't that kind of outside of your control most of the time? And if he's "growth," why are ALL of his minions horrible diseased monsters? Shouldn't there be some perfectly healthy giants or something? If I wanted to do a reconfiguration of Nurgle that kept his theming, I'd have him become the manifestation of sloth and inaction. His minions are diseased because they can't be bothered to take care of themselves. Every time you put off until tomorrow something you should do today, you would be feeding Nurgle. Massive, slow-moving bureaucracies feed him. And these entities accelerate their own fall just as Slaanesh worshippers do; you let the cancer fester, and that cancer weakens you to more diseases, which weakens you to more and more. Eventually you end up a putrid bag of filth and disease, and forever bound to Nurgle. Tzeench also needs to pick a lane. What do knowledge and trickery have to do with each other? And do sentient things really have some kind of strong urge to trick people? Just switch him over to the manifestation of delusion. Those who believe they can master or control everything are delusional, after all, and it's easy to trick and take advantage of the deluded. "If you follow me I'll teach you the secrets of everything. Yes I betrayed my last follower, but YOU'RE different! You're SPECIAL! My last follower failed to meet my expectations, but surely YOU will. You're BETTER than he was!" Khorne is at least consistent, but I do think they should move from "mindless wrath" to "wrath in all its forms." Grudge-holding should be a huge aspect of his followers. People who stew in their anger and work from the shadows to destroy those who wronged them are just as consumed by wrath as the mindless berserker is.

[@zaneaustin3021]

The chaos gods are usually paradoxical in nature. Even though Nurgle is the chaos god of entropy, his power and form fluctuates constantly. He’s either a massive pus-filled balloon that is stronger than Khorne himself, or an emaciated husk of skin and bones that barely hangs onto existence. When his power wanes, life begins to explode in his absence. Like maggots festering in a corpse, it spreads to every nook and cranny to the point where it can barely sustain itself. Of course, more life means more death. And so Nurgle comes to collect his toll, spreading death and disease while feeding on the despair and anguish he creates. To foster growth is to ensure an inevitable decay. You cannot mourn that which never existed. You cannot reap what you do not sow. Tzeentch is the chaos god representing mankind’s ambitions. Knowledge and trickery are extremely important tools for ambition. The more *you* know (knowledge), and the less *they* know (trickery), the better.

[@Ixan89]

I also started reading Gotrek and Felix based partially on Pancreas no work praising the duo. Quite enjoyed the Bloodthirster being a more measured almost romantic corrupter without falling too far into my preconceived notions of how Slanesh demons would do it. I think something I got but didn't expect coming out of Gotrek and Felix from book one is Beastmen get a lot of character as a faction. Really like the interplay that the Khorne woman had with the Beastman herd, and that one beastman that basically said to Felix "we won't fall for your 'trap' and we arn't stupid enough to want this smoke."

[@sams3533]

Just wanted to say: one of the more interesting lead ins for a Khorne corrupted character is found in Storm of Iron. A guardsman is basically captured by a Khorne-serving Iron Warrior and her rage is recognized and is chosen by Khorne to replace the Iron Warrior and their champion. Their motivation and how they came to rage at everything, including specifically The Emperor was really interesting to read.

[@feralwarden4873]

I actually ignore that rule and instead I often see it as Khorne only gives magic to those he finds especially pathetic. Essentially, he demands physical strength and discipline to be enough to get people on his side and have his work done and the more blessed you are by Khorne the less he truly likes you. Like a dad having to deal with his 45 year old NEET son that will clearly never get married when he really wants to hang with his other son who makes 60k a year and lives in his own home with his wife and kids.

[@petesmith9073]

I fucking love eating glue and crayons so Khorne is GOAT

[@theemissary1313]

I don't think Khorne hates magic per se, but dishonourable or cowardly use of it. I don't think an entity inherently 'made' of magic can actually hate it. It's like an argument between World Eaters (can't remember which book it was in, maybe that dude Abaddon adopted) over which is best for a warrior and why there are so few ranged support units in their legion. Think of it as what would most likely be seen in a duel - pistols and sabres or two rappers making dis tracks? It's more to do with GW creative direction and decisions of late. Looking at you erda and amar astarte...

[@richardch.4356]

Honestly i wouldn't call khorne lame is actually one of my favorites just the thrill of battle

[@barlotardy]

It's related to my biggest complaint about the World Eaters (as they've been written, at least), namely HOW ARE THERE ANY HERESY-ERA WORLD EATERS LEFT IN THE CURRENT TIME. Even factoring in warp-related time fuckery, they don't exactly have an operations model that's conducive to anything besides self-extinction. (And this is coming from a guy who loves the XII legion!)

[@Dokari-l9m]

1. Not all world eaters are lunatics. They have ways to temper their rage. 2. The modern day “world eaters “ are space marines that were kidnapped and forced to take the nails 3. Khorne’s gifts make them too hard to kill.

[@samhiltz1107]

Khorne SHOULD be the simplest of the Chaos Gods. He SHOULD be "We fight with hand and tooth and sword and spear and axe until one of us lives." They SHOULD be melee predominantly - but you should be able to convince Khorne that some ranged weapons, or some ranged tactics, are honorable. Given Khorne followers varying degrees of anti-magic/psyker abilities, until the Kharne's and Angron's are effectively immune. Make the fight a simple one, but brutally hard. And when Khorne is beaten, it's over. Simple. Straightforward. Beserkers are all dead. Demons banished, never to retun to a field they fell on. The war is over. Life goes on. But there needs to be a taint. A reason why following Khorne isn't safe, why for whatever positives there is, the negatives far outweigh them. For the rest of their lives, survivor's are more aggressive. More reckless. No passive, only aggressive. Percussive maintenance, for machines and people who aren't getting the picture. Challenge the Commissar to a fist fight when the Commissar even hints at you being a coward. When that Astartes orders you to go over the wall, you turn back and shoot him if he's too slow in following. It's only a baby titan, you've got a power sword, it's really not fair for the titan. (And far darker examples are easy to come up with) The beserkers are, gone, but you remain. You were strong. Worthy. You faced the greatest test one coukd ever face, and you won. That street urchin deserved worse than to be kicked in the face. So weak and sniveling, thinking he (she? It? Does it matter?) was worthy of approaching you, begging for food. Coward. You were weak too - lenient. The Superintendent who tried to protect it, throwing words at you? Weak. Weak, pitiful cowards... not worthy. Not worthy at all. Put them to the test. Put them ALL to the test.

[@jeremy1860]

My only real gripe with the deity is that he never seems to have as much going for him as the others do. He's very much a "what you see is what you get" kind of god 🤔

[@KnightlyNerd]

IIRC the anti magic thing came from Conan the barbarian and his distaste for sorcery and his branding being muscles and axes. Personally, I think it’d be pretty cool to have more ranged weapons in the form of throwing weapons - things like grenade tomahawks, chain javelins/harpoons or demonic hunting boomerangs. Throwing weapons require strength and people (apes included) throw things when pissed off so it all checks out.

[@Abhirgawande]

We need a Mr Bones and Pancreasnowork Collab!

[@Error898789]

I think Khorne has a similar problem as 40k Orks, where they can be made into some of the best pieces of psychological horror in the setting (I don't need to remind you of Uzas' arc), but if a writer needs a faceless horde of goons to threaten their hero mcBigPants with minimal baggage they can just call them Khorne corrupted and clock out.

[@arnaudmathieu480]

Yes, I get what you mean. I love the aspect of the World Eaters but their brainlessness is a big problem in the 40k writting. A good exemple of a more nuanced force is the Blood Pact wich is more a cult/army dedicated to martial efficency

[@LegoM12]

I think many people just look at the warp and say “yep that’s magic” but the fact that sorcerers can draw power from it doesn’t mean that it’s just a sorcerer thing. It’s not like raw magical power, it’s literally like a sea of souls, which in my eyes makes the worshipping of khorne as a non “magical” being completely valid. The warp isn’t arcane in itself, but rather sorcerers turn it arcane when they use it (meaning spells), but if a priest uses their connection via faith and worship it turns more “divine” (like incantations). That’s just how i saw it anyways.

[@bengonzalez5215]

One problem is that most khorne stories arent written from their perspective

[@fishqueen1702]

I mean I like Khorn because of the simplicity. While the others have some sort of bad to them imo. Slaanesh does stupid shit all the time, Tzeentch gives off Alpha Legion vibes I.e. “even tho I lost I MEANT to lose because that was my plan the entire time”, and Nurgle is cool, but grosses me out (which is def a me thing that that is a con). Khorne tho? He is blunt. You ask him “can I break him in half?” And Khorne goes “FULL SEND!” Now I may be biased I’m not I’m only going off of 40K and not Sigmar, but I just like the stereotypical demon instead of the weird shit.

[@moderndavinci6599]

My biggest problem with Khorne comes from the wider idea of Chaos God rivals. Why the hell is his rival Slaanesh? Thematically, and mechanically / gameplay wise, it is just weird. There is justification for it yes- but it isn't very strong. Tzeentch is a way better "direct" rival. Blue vs red. Physical / Melee vs Ranged / Magic. Brutality vs Cunning. Genius Insanity vs Animalistic Ferocity. They even are rivals, just not to the same extent slaanesh and he is, which is... silly. Nurgle is Tzeentchs anathema. Which is weird, as Nurgle features a bunch of "change." Entropic decay IS CHANGE. He is all about the circle of life, which is CONSTANT CHANGE. Mr. "Tzeentchs greatest rival" uses A BUNCH OF MAGIC. Slaanesh and a Nurgle would make way more sense. Their gameplay reinforces this. Unarmored and fast, Slaanesh, versus heavily armored and slow, Nurgle. Deadening of pain / sensation, Nurgle, versus heightening of sensation, Slaanesh. Way more sense. Nurgle vs Slaanesh, Khorne vs Tzeentch. Why GW, why?

[@InVinoVeratas]

Let's be real, Khorne just hates Nerds 🤓

[@Wekraptor]

God-Eaters Son is a great AoS book about a more nuanced look at Khorne followers. The channel Dawnstir did a great analysis of it.

[@SachikaRomanova]

The "Lord Of Murder" stuff has gone by the wayside over the decades, getting pushed off to how the Dark Elves worship Khorne in WFB, and then totally left behind with the move to Age Of Sigmar. At the same time in 40k, Khornate murder cults fell out of fashion in the fluff when the Inquisition got fleshed out more and suddenly all the murder cults aren't Khorne-flavoured any more. All that was left was "Blood For The Blood God" style frothing at the mouth. Valkiya The Bloody was a good attempt at more depth, but even then...

[@weaverreaver4448]

honestly, your problem isn't with khorne. It's with GW not letting khorne and his followers live up to their potential. Khorne is supposedly about honor just as much as he is rage and murder. Why doesn't he ever bless people who are just honorable to a fault? You could even have them fall to khorne out of necessity. Not because it helps them kill, but because in a twisted way- khorne might be the only option for them to stick to their values and fight for what they believe in. Imagine a righteous character so honorbound that, despite not being AS murderous, is blessed by khorne. Imagine someone viewing themselves as 'good' receiving the blessing from someone they view as a source of evil? That could be interesting, and could shake their faith in themselves enough to lead them to a darker path. As you said, Khorne has the potential to have the most interesting characters- but doesn't because of being held back in a sense of narrative. Why does khorne ONLY go for murder hobos if he's supposedly more than just the 'kill everything' guy. He shouldn't, because he is more than just a blood obsessed weirdo. He should be the patron god of ALL warriors, not just the savage psychopaths. If GW realized what a goldmine of interesting character and development they were sitting on- I bet they'd be slamming their faces on the desk. Everyone loved the Lich king from WOW back when WOW wasn't hated, and it was because the lich king was a cool interesting character that had a story behind him. I think the lich king and his story is cool and I barely even know anything else about WOW (if you don't know what I'm talking about, essentially it's a similar story beat as what I described earlier. A righteous man falling to evil out of what he views as necessary, as well a cursed sword). TLDR: You don't dislike Khorne, you hate bad writing done cosnsitently. Which is GW's fault. Khorne could be way better, and if he was given his due you'd have probably some of the best characters in fiction being Warhammer characters.

[@ChristianEphraimson]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE WEAKLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@gammothdraws]

The most interesting thing about Khorne corrupted characters, is their fall! Once they have hit rock bottom, they are just boring and blunt, but as they are falling? That's where the interesting stuff happens, which is sad, because, as far as I'm aware, in 40k there are no more important characters who are currently falling, just all of those who have already fallen

[@Dumbozo_II]

If the khorn demons need range, why not give them giant heavy bows? Like, hand-held balistas

[@arionofotherworld]

I think Khorne is the most deceptive of the 4 chaos gods, he has no honour and no actual hatred of magic, it's a mask to trick honorable people into his service.

[@neobushidaro]

Rose tinted goggles..... Rose tinted goggles?!? 1) they are glasses 2) BLOOOD COLORed!!!! You missed the opportunity to call them BLOOD colored.... You shame us all

[@wolflordgio6320]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!!!!!!!

[@martincampbell4211]

1000% agree I love the idea of Khorne but hate the execution. If we got a well spoken, level headed, warlord, swordsmaster who lived for the adrenaline rush of a worthy one on one and only ever dropped his cold facade for glee in worthy combat I would jump on board. Think Augus from Asuras wrath but more serious. He doesn't fight FOR anyone he fights because he loves to fight! The Khorne worship would be an excuse and a ladder to greater power and confrontations. Feeding into you're but about magic and psychic. It should just straight up be a tool they use to dispatch dishonorable or cowardly opponents. No sense in waisting your blood on such foes.

[@sussy_bed_stain]

I mean Lheorvine is pretty cool, cool Guy with a great sense of humor and he can control himself without getting lost to the nails