"Kick" Is Poisoning Society | Asmongold Reacts

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[@maxkbec4201]

why ban the platform, when it allows the judge to have all possible evidence of a crime committed live and recorded lol

[@sdbzfan1]

right

[@Justdont693]

No leg work needed

[@selc978]

what judge?

[@Azmania3000]

​@@selc978 judge, jury and executioner. I am Dredd

[@jextra1313]

Exactly, the police need to be notified and handle it. Having video evidence makes their job way easier. If they actually committed a crime, they'll get banned irl (prison)

[@Sixeye_]

Funny how Stake is owned by Australians, but you can't use Stake in Australia. Online gambling is banned in Australia.

[@aldoorn]

I actually work in a bar across the road from the kick office in Melbourne. Programmers come in all the time and from what I gather they have bit of a rockstar job with great money and crazy benifits like trips overseas etc

[@ripandtear]

Have to wash the guilt of profiting from gambling addicts that lost everything somehow @@aldoorn

[@FullmentalAlcoomist]

yea coz the casinos dont want it to be legal and stealing its customers

[@alexdream9342]

same with china and tiktok

[@ripandtear]

@@alexdream9342 do you live under a rock, they have their own that bans all sexual content, basically a superior version

[@new-bp6ix]

We need to realize that they commit these acts in real life, not online. On Kick, all they do is share proof of their crimes. Now, the police simply need to collect these videos as evidence.

[@tatuvarvemaa5314]

But do they though? It's been proven pretty inadequate at actually getting these people prosecuted or even caught. And even if it does the streamer usually doesn't care and just relishes the attention and only grows in popularity. This doesn't change the fact that kick is actively promoting this behavior and profiting on it, showing other people that they can do this stuff and get away with it. Kick isn't innocent or in any way absolved from this because the police force is failing on that front either.

[@IncognitoActivado]

Totally true.

[@new-bp6ix]

@@tatuvarvemaa5314 Let me ask you one question. If someone is driving a car recklessly, whose mistake is it? Is it the company that manufactured the car or the person driving the car? Keep in mind, the car company does not care. Now, also ask yourself why you follow traffic laws. Did the company tell you they would stop your car if you violated any laws?

[@tatuvarvemaa5314]

@@new-bp6ix Thats not a good comparison to make, nor does it counter any of my arguments. There's a difference between a service you subscribe to and a product that you bought and own. That comparison does not work because Kick is a streaming service and a car is something that is yours and the car company has no autonomy to influence your driving. Kick does have that influence over what is posted on THEIR service and platform and they do use it. They still have a responsibility with their service BECAUSE they have the power to regulate it. What they should do is report illegal activity to the police (save and send a copy of the illegal act done on stream to the authorities), ban the person and that will be all. Because again, that's the ONLY thing these streamers care about is attention and getting banned is the only real way of taking it away from them. And what on earth was the attempt with Traffic laws there? It's in the name, LAWS. If the product encouraged people to break the laws you bet it would get pulled off the market asap, but Kick is somehow different for doing that exact thing? And companies don't care, which is why we are forced to make laws against them (remember the coal mines?), if anything that statement supports my argument even more.

[@user-cb4qd5fc1x]

​@@new-bp6ixlet me ask you one thing if a tree falls in a forest does it make a noise? 😮

[@ProdigalBeard]

Two things can be true: kick needs to crack down on ILLEGAL acts on stream, AND, kick doesn't need to over censor people having an opinion

[@yurkafrankvel966]

Thats kinda of impossible imo, kick should just be straight up deleted...

[@kylesawkon4074]

@@yurkafrankvel966I mean there’s no cartel beheading videos so idk what’s the big deal

[@japhalpha]

@@yurkafrankvel966it’s so funny people actually record their crimes nowadays. It’s insane, but I rather enjoy it. Let them display their crimes, let them feel comfortable sharing them, it’ll be easier for the rest of us to recognize them

[@dillyduncs]

@@kylesawkon4074 You're right, nothing less than someone being beheaded constitutes a crime. Just out of interest, have you been beheaded at some point in your life?

[@user-tq7cq7pf3m]

@@yurkafrankvel966 twitch sucks, seethe

[@woxoho]

Companies know that people are stupid, and they take advantage of it.

[@Vsg45]

the top 10% make this way. the best consumer is an uneducated easily to manipulate consumer.

[@bhec7715]

Yes, every time I comment on anything I’m reminded how stupid I am. It’s like, they got me 😭

[@mikhail5002]

such is human nature

[@johnconcentrius]

They literally have professional scientists and psychologists working together to find exactly what makes us addicted/respond to things. It's up to us to be aware and make better decisions for ourselves.

[@Cuwop2]

Capitalism. Dont wanna be taken advantage of? USE 1% OF BRAIN TO THINK and u will be able to see it coming... Its not people are stupid they refuse to think at all

[@DFalco-nz5tl]

Genuinely confused. The government decided that certain things are crimes. Kick allows people to stream crimes. I fully do not understand how you go from streaming crimes to free speech. The point of free speech is to avoid infringing on the rights of citizens. Committing a crime is the highest level of infringing in citizens rights. What the fuck are we even talking about?

[@IncognitoActivado]

No, it is the society to which these people belong that gave them fame; not the platform.

[@xplorethings]

It's the same with other things though, e.g. online prostitution, which is a crime in many countries too. Free speech is providing the platform for citizens to do whatever they do with it, as long as they do not USE it to commit a crime. Streaming a crime is not the same thing.

[@daniellacomb917]

No, the point of free speech is to be able to publicly critisize the government without fear of reprecussion. You can call the president a loser and they cant do anything about it. Try that in China or even Canada lol.

[@rainyriderr1112]

I can't remember the specific law but it's a long the lines that kick isn't committing the crime. Much like thousands of crimes are broadcast on Twitter and Facebook, but they aren't the ones committing it. This has been argued about Google for decades, should distributors be responsible for the content on their site

[@rozathorn]

What he's saying is, there is a dangerous line between monitoring crime and control. He wants the government to govern the internet and step up.

[@00ABBITT00]

It’s not just kick. It’s twitch, it’s TikTok, it’s twitter, it’s streamers, it’s “influencers”, it’s social media.

[@Generallygeneral]

People that are not terminally online doesn’t even know what kick is

[@idadru]

This

[@schweizer3301]

The terminally online arent a small number

[@Forsakenruler]

@@schweizer3301but there are mentally ill number

[@nine9nine9]

It's literally a top 200 us website, that's more than critically online people

[@lucasljs1545]

These people don't know what twitch is either.

[@Square_One]

Sometimes Asmon just already has his mind made up going into whatever he's reacting to and then stops critically thinking about the subject.

[@pierregatto3389]

There got to be some backbones in any of us He very often sounds like free speech absolutist, a position he is perfectly fine to hold, and in this case, he got no particular reason to deviate from that

[@bobzozz]

This is such a painful watch. This video is a good example of how simple his world view is.

[@lawlietriver8869]

@@bobzozz Do you ever post this kind of sentiment on topics where you agree with him? If not, that is a good example of how simple your world view is.

[@TheThreatActor]

​@@bobzozzits better than being a condescending pseudo-intellectual who thinks his thoughts are complex

[@ahmedifhaam7266]

@@lawlietriver8869 usually the bad things are complex

[@DBuilds]

Nope. Commiting a crime and then posting it. The platform should both ban them and report it to the police.

[@zypang1447]

He's gotta defend Train.

[@veganbadass_]

Exactly

[@TechGuru666]

none of those things were crimes -- most of it is just rude or annoying behaviour

[@NathanielWise-ks1ph]

well arnt you a tyrant.

[@DBuilds]

@@NathanielWise-ks1ph lol I don't think you know the meaning of tyrant.

[@vualthunterx3611]

Gold...I hate to tell you this but CRIME isn't free speech it's CRIME and even if it is "YOU ARE FREE TO SWING YOUR FISTS ANYWHERE YOU WANT, BUT YOUR RIGHTS END AT THE TIP OF MY NOSE"

[@Yutani_Crayven]

But you see, you can't deplatform crime because Asmongold and I quote "doesn't want billionaires to dictate morality".

[@vualthunterx3611]

​@@Yutani_Crayvennever said deplatform I was just stating Crime is crime not freedom of speech and Even if it IS "your freedom ends when it takes someone else's freedoms away" I never said you could deplatform crime I agree with everything else in the video except that ONE opinion and the Platform can at least take some charge of criminal activate being shown on their platform is all

[@kc12394]

@@vualthunterx3611 I think they're actually agreeing with you.

[@1x1nDone]

I don't care, they should be allowed to stream just about any crime they want without any consequences from Kick. They should get arrested for said crime, sure, but not banned. The only time they should be banned off of a platform is when Kick themselves would be committing a crime by allowing it. IE hosting or displaying CP.

[@danny7694]

Yeh he said this and then said, these people need arrested not banned perse. You might argue this wouldn't happen if they didn't have the platform but there's other platforms that do similair things and have similair rulesets that are probably not being enforced. Put them behind bars is IMO The only solution

[@ChadeGB]

I usually agree with most of what Asmon says, but here he's just wrong, plain and simple. Free speech isn't the right to go commit crimes and stream them online. Kick is just as responsible for this as other sites that provide access to illegal stuff that you can watch. These sites encourage this behaviour by giving people a platform for it, this isn't about the moral aspect of it, it's about these people committing crimes and streaming it for views.

[@nyne2022]

No, it is free-speech to post it. Posting it isn't the violation unless distribution of the content itself is the crime. Just because someone steals something it doesn't make them guilty of murder.

[@attn.]

@@nyne2022 Crimes aren't free speech, you can't post a snuff film or cp then claim the video isn't related to the crime lmao. Free speech isn't sacred, broadcasting services and companies need to be held accountable. Humans are highly affected by their surroundings, you aren't the independent individual you think you are.

[@FullmentalAlcoomist]

​@@attn. and its government's job to decide what is legal or not and if somebody breaks the law then they and only them have the power to hold anyone accountable， as for your examples of cp..its only bad because its against the law written and enforced by the GOVT，if its not then cp is prefectly okay legally right？ and the law is the only thing people should follow and not morals

[@ohiograssman1564]

There’s a reason why you can’t threaten someone’s life or falsely declare a fire in a public building, or incite a riot with your speech…

[@Superintendent_ChaImers]

@@ohiograssman1564 Free speech does not protect you against the consequences of said free speech.

[@LocalSh1t]

i think theirs huges difference between freedom of speech and committing a crime.

[@tyruswillier7358]

their is, asmon just wanted to twist the issue up to fit his narrative of only the government is trustworthy to punish people now.

[@TheMrFellaTV]

@@AmyZonkers You still did a crime and what the crime itselfs is like for example CP it still makes it illegal sees this brain rot

[@TechnoMinarchist]

​@@AmyZonkersIn many cases the video itself is also a crime.

[@themidnightaristocrat]

That's what the police are for. Cry to them.

[@Temperans]

Freedom of speech only matters when the government gets involved. Also not all speech is protected speech.

[@kenkessler301]

I think clearly any illegal activity should be a permanent ban

[@liambradshaw9428]

Why ?

[@ahmedifhaam7266]

@@liambradshaw9428 Why not? I'll wait.

[@lasjames7516]

The internet is international. Try not to hurt your brain figuring that out

[@kenkessler301]

@@lasjames7516 Laws are enforced based on where an individual lives. Bans would be the same. Try to think more than one sentence ahead

[@kkandola9072]

⁠@@lasjames7516​​⁠ if your brain cells worked , you’d understand that it doesn’t matter. It’s a private company. They can set local restrictions.

[@I2dios8]

The police should definitely step up and take these cases of livestreamed crimes more seriously, but insinuating that Kick has no obligation to ban or at least discipline bad parties on their site is insane to me.

[@FulkNerraIII]

The amount of brain dead takes I've read on here is wild. People screaming free speech and Kick aren't police as if that's a valid response. Yes, absolutely kick should ban people committing crimes and posting it. What the hell does that have to do with free speech? What's next, we have a serial killer posting clips of dead bodies? I can't believe people are so naive. That's not even getting into the argument that Kick is promoting this type of behavior, and that's why kids are doing it. What kind of society do we want to live in? Do people really think police have resources and time to go after every kick kid committing crimes. I worked in law enforcement and surprise they don't. How about instead of saying oh let the police handle it after a crime is committed, Kick doesn't incentivize committing crimes.

[@txmits507]

You can't have a platform where you're incentivisied to break the law. You can say it's law enforcement problem. But if the platform rewards illegal behavior, it's the platforms problem too. One sentence he's saying it's freedom of speech to rob people on stream and the next he's saying under age material is a crime so it's okay to be banned. They're both crimes. The oxygen level in his room is kinda low today.

[@ValdeezyGG]

Asmongold: " I don't want random billionaires dictating what free speech is." When responding that Kick should be banning these people. This isn't free speech, they are committing actual crimes on the platform and Kick just turns a blind eye to it. Agreed that Kick shouldn't dictate free speech sure, but this isn't free speech and is going beyond that where they are letting stuff like this proliferate on their site.

[@cosmicelectron]

If you make your platform a public square, it's not your fault or responsibility if someone commits a crime on it, it's the police's job to police criminals not yours, it's only your responsibility when you take on the role of moderation onto yourself

[@peanutbutterdijonnaise]

Another clueless take by asmon

[@sdbzfan1]

the problem is people do want some level of enforcement from those in power, they simply don't want it to interfere with how they want to live their life the issue is that balance has been disturbed in recent years and in a very obvious way so things like Kick and Rumble get made to counter that and unfortunately like anything, the pendulum swings to meet the same level of problems, too much freedom to counter too much restraint people want to be naturally be in the middle

[@guyyates4038]

No your saying you want the platform to remove videos of crimes, why? The police should arrest the people and they should go to jail, why exactly should the videos be removed? Genuinely I want you to justify whitewashing a platform, if there is peer reviewed replicatable studies showing that letting these videos exist makes things worse then they should be illegal to post, which is asmons argument, if its actually bad you should be arrested and if its actually bad for the video to exist it should be illegal to post, I genuinely want you to justify leaving that decision in the hands of billionaires instead of our democratically elected officials

[@user-er1fs3je4x]

@@cosmicelectron they banned zherka, and they have given the others shorter bans. It couldn't be more clear that there is a line, there is moderation, they just allow some illegal things and not others. If they saw the incidents, they spent time giving the streamer a ban, but the length of it is laughable - it is clearly a "we don't think it is that bad" statement.

[@Pandiculate]

"It's not Kicks fault, it's the people that use it." Yeah, sure. The platform that enables and emboldens people isn't the problem. If it weren't for clout and the blatant unenforcement of the rules, I'd have to hard disagree here. If they were banned for breaking the law like on any other platform, nuisance streamers would probably cease to exist- or at the very least we would see a drop-off in these types of streams.

[@KeeperGER]

exactly! AGREE!

[@alexandregama5342]

Ikr. Having braincells sure helps you understand that the fact that kick pays people is part of the reason for the rise in this type of behaviour and they should ban it in order to remove the incentive for streamers to be pedos live

[@aliquidgaming1068]

Time has proven you to be wrong Live leaks, would star, rotten, allgrossthings, these websites have existed for generations before kick. These people existed before live streaming. It isn't the websites fault. It's the people. If the website cracked down, then they will just move to another platform. Look at how gamblers went from twitch to kick. You won't see a drop off in these types of streams and people until the government actually makes it harder for these type of streamers and content creators to even post in the first place. Hell even Reddit and Tumblr had literally child corn on it and nothing was done till the government started to get involved. Time has proven you to be wrong.

[@jextra1313]

There's always going to be a place where people can upload edgy content. Nature of the internet existing. Police need to be notified. A ban fron kick is not the punishment for crime.

[@zackang4731]

There's a very strong parallel to the gun control problem honestly. Like yes, guns don't cause the violent crimes, people do. But guns enable them. But I get Asmon's point. In essence, Kick is a problem, but the solution is not within Kick - it should be with the govt, and the solution should be regulation on all streaming platforms.

[@theonlyLoneWolf_]

You know, I got curious so I went and read Section 1.4 of Kick's TOS that details what people can use their service for and what do you know, they do state clearly in their TOS that you can't use their service to stream activities involving a ton of stuff that most of their streamers stream. So whilst I agree with Asmon that Governments should be more involved in policing criminal activities streamed on platforms like Kick and holding these platforms accountable, I don't agree that Kick is blameless when they're not even enforcing their own TOS. What a joke of a site.

[@50shadesofbeige88]

Society is more powerful than the government. Bring back shame.

[@donjon8382]

People always shout for this until it’s their turn. And EVERYONE gets their turn.

[@raskolnikov6443]

⁠@@donjon8382nah this is just the basic function of a healthy society.

[@insertname950]

​@@donjon8382 There is a difference between criticism and bullying but if you hold an opinion that most people disagree with, guess what, you will meet a lot of people who attack you for it and that is not a bad thing, as the guy below you commented, discourse is part of a healthy society and too many people spend so much time online surrounded by perspectives that already fit their world view that they feel personally attacked when being confronted with a differing opinion

[@drzerogi]

We live in a post-shame society. Either bring back shame or guilt.

[@darthtesla301]

No

[@tBeNz0]

23:40 As the father of an 8 yr old, I do agree with Asmons take here, and almost all platforms have integrated parental controls you can use to create their account with. What Asmon doesn't understand tho (since he doesnt have a kid), is that peer pressure plays a huge part with this stuff. Bc a lot of parents dont monitor their kids, you end up with your kid wanting to play a game with their friends but cant bc its age restricted to 13+ for gun violence for ex, and now your kid feels left out unless you let them play too. If you are strict, then they will find a way around you (like we did when we were younger), so you have to walk a fine line somewhere in between. I tend to allow him to play said game but also explain why said game might not be the best for kids to play. And even tho I dont want too, its easier to navigate what content he comes across when i play along with him. (Nothing is more frustrating than playing Roblox on a mobile phone when you are 39 and hot dogs for fingers lol).

[@return_h3669]

In case you are frustrated to play roblox on phone, the other way is use an xbox/playstation controllers (some games or “experiences” have support). Connect them via bluetooth

[@tBeNz0]

@@return_h3669 lol yeah I didnt even think of that honestly. You prob connect it the same way you do to a PC with bluetooth, by holding down ps button and share button for a few secinds until the light blinks rapidly. It puts the controller into "pc pairing mode" so im sure it works similarly for my android phone too. Thx for the tip.

[@return_h3669]

@@tBeNz0 no problem, take good care for your kid 👍

[@Ilasperr]

"They will just somewhere else." - With that logic, why bother moderating any platform?

[@TechGuru666]

there should be no modernation at all

[@TechGuru666]

@@rodolfo_rlf no its pretty good -- for the most part

[@OnlyTidus]

to pretend they don't exist anymore

[@milllkkkk]

@@TechGuru666 rtrd take

[@wilbing8465]

@@TechGuru666 no, moderation is needed but I agree it should be based on law. When platforms enforce rules that are not law they are acting as a publisher with platform legal benefits. Platforms don’t exist if this the case. Just publishers pretending they are a platform.

[@Skwiib]

“The government is the only thing that’s powerful”. This probably has to be the most disconnected, naive, out of touch statement I’ve ever heard come out of his mouth. It’s honestly almost cute how naive asmon can be with some of his perspectives on the world. Kind of like how he mentions survivorship bias frequently despite being in that exact bias category when talking about nearly any discussion of the average human experience. Sitting there and trying to absolve the platform of any responsibility in moderating shit and arguing morale semantics through some kind of weird absolutist free speech argument is insane. You know who else uses that as a justification for a-moral behaviour? Political extremists. It’s also just naive to sit there and think that large scale social media platforms don’t have the ability to influence and guide the way a society behaves. You’re outright rejecting the idea that people can be influenced, especially those who exist within an impressionable demographic. Like what’s the argument here? It IS their responsibility. The same way any other entity is liable for the behaviour they endorse. You exist within a society that adheres to a framework of ideas. You talk about law but then promote this sort is pseudo anarchy. Like I knew asmon was a pseudo intellect to begin with but Jesus Christ this hurts.

[@KrimsonApoLLo]

Glad people ain't just letting Asmon pop this bullshit off.

[@metropolismonke]

Is this the trailer for Asmongold on Kick 2025?

[@Azmania3000]

He's totally fishing

[@Oaky]

feels like it lol. When Kick gets blocked in the US, he's gonna cry about the laws

[@gamingman5453]

@@Oakytbf he crys about everything

[@ShadowNexis23]

He knows his viewership would tank if he went to Kick, it's just not worth it when he's comfortable on Twitch

[@chigto]

Why is Asmon so set on not putting any blame on Kick? Sure, some are committing crimes, and there is a bigger problem at hand, but the moderation on Kick barely punishes these people, and they'll just keep streaming it on their service. Is that not the main issue?

[@alexandregama5342]

Bro was weeks ago asking for bans when it came to frogan saying cracker and denims putting a reward on someone. And now saying shit like this. Like wtf

[@thatwackycardgame5655]

Would he say the same when people are streaming nude/porn ect; on the platform? Pretty sure he was calling out for Twitch Streamers to be banned during all the Twitch “meta” that was taking place?

[@Glirion__]

Asmons waiting for that 40million Kick deal 🫱🏼‍🫲🏻

[@okariin3834]

​@@alexandregama5342 And did they get banned?

[@kc_jones_gaming]

The fact that local law enforcement agencies can’t/won’t use Kick for undeniable evidence posted on the platform, should really concern you more than the platform. It doesn’t make me feel safe in general. Think about having evidence handed to you and doing nothing with it. That how you want your local police to treat an assault if it happens to you?

[@Darthmaeror]

Eh I disagree. Kick is an enabler for these people to do the things they do. Yes the people are also responsible of course, but kick enables it.

[@rtyzxc]

if a person is enabler for domestic violence, does that make them guilty?

[@user-te2ef2jc6d]

"My wife enabling me by being near me in my house, it's not my fault she had such "moldable" face, your honor" Actually, it would be the funniest law practice, if we go after "crime enablers" first "I can't steal from poor people, rich people enabling me!"

[@Desdress]

not enables it but rewards it. there is a difference between site having recordings of crimes and crimes happening in real time to entertain the audience. many of these things would never happen hadnt it been for kick. kick created environment which propmts people to do crimes. they are directly responsible.

[@gamerdad9051]

I disagree with Asmon. He has more power than any police department. He can influence culture. I'm not saying he has to, but that is the power of culture. If the culture says it is wrong than most people wont even think of doing it. Having the government enforce morality is a stop-gap measure, because the culture is now indifferent to the activity, similar to Asmon's attitude to this activity. The government does not care about morality, it cares about power and giving them the power to wield in the name of morality will be used against you eventually. Also, law enforcement is finite. You can only some many enforcers to cover a degrading system.

[@loocid455]

All forms of gambling are bad, but saying there is no difference between regulated and unregulated gambling is so braindead.

[@ShadeofGaz]

It really is. Like what difference is there you mean you're even less likely to win pshhh 😂😂

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

what's the difference?

[@Nobody-vr5nl]

1 legally cheats u, the other also cheats u. It's the same.

[@superkoopatrooper4879]

Nows a good time to say that if you play counterstrike, they give you skins and crates with every level up and you can just sell them lol. I made way too much just putting all my unopened crates on the market lol. Idk if thats gambling but it's that actually pays you real money to play and be bad at it.

[@tkzsfen]

Gambling is fine. It is the same as claiming that drinking is bad. No, it is not, if it is moderate.

[@angelofmalice0]

Kick is there to send kids to gambling websites, and Twitch is there to send kids to porn websites. Non of it is about gaming or streaming, that’s just secondary.

[@TechGuru666]

no one is sending anyone to any site -- get a life

[@nickzand7597]

Actually a good take. White knights in the comments acting like twitch hasn't become a porn website

[@Uplinkpr0]

Difference is one will ruin your life one will ruin your pants. Not remotely the same effect on society.

[@angelofmalice0]

@@Uplinkpr0yeah, because no one is spending thousands of dollars they don’t have on OF.

[@TechGuru666]

@@Uplinkpr0 you realize gambling is legal in most countries and its also VERY common in your precious video games now

[@Anakox]

One thing is when a platform censors political opinions that it doesn't like or views/actions that it deems immoral, even though none of the above are illegal in any shape or form. Completely different is when people commit crimes and the platform simply ignores it, allowing the criminals to use the money they earn from the platform to fuel their future crimes. In the second case, the platform should be criminally charged as an accomplice or benefactor of the crime.

[@joebravetti3023]

The amount of people that think being banned is more important than having the police be involved is absolutely crazy.

[@ReyRey277]

Why *fixate* on the fact that "Government's fault bc they are not punishing Kick" bc NEVERTHELESS it's still Kick's Job to Ban and Suspend people like these?? It seems like they only care when other Creators bring attention to it. Edit: And in reality that's what Kick wants - Attention. These bad actors are, free attention to the site.

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

well yeah...they're making money like this. why would they stop unless it's something that will get companies pulling their ads out of their platform? right now bad attention is threatening their $$$ so they're trying to do something about it. you guys act like the world runs on morals or something

[@tabkg5802]

Asmongold's stance is on the part where letting kick holders ban anyone would result in the same problems as twitch. Of course he forgot the part where actions and threats of harm aren't free speech but I can see where he's coming from

[@Chopzi11a]

Trusting the government is like trusting a spicy cat to guard your chickens 🐓

[@heyjulzdontmakeitbad]

Yeah kinda weird angle solely pushing it to the Government when the ROOT cause of it is because KICK literally incentivize creators even when they are doing stupid shit like this by drawing more viewers and attention. Just my two-cents tho.

[@rolanddeschain6783]

I feel that the important part people don't really get is that these companies do not have a moral bone in their body, they only think about money. If allowing murder on the platform would generate revenue, they'd do it, and you know there were already websites that glorified the shit out of that in the past. Kicks job is whatever they want it to be, its their platform, and it means they can assign what jobs they do themselves. That is their right to their platform, and if they decide to allow something deliberately, that is part of their job at that point. You can't control a dictator who allows anarchy for personal gain. That is why government is important. Because you can't trust people to not act in their own self interest even it goes against the law. They don't care. So you gotta make em care. If Kick isn't going to budge, your going to have to find someone to force them. This is the case with every other company; if there weren't laws for it, they be doing far worst shit.

[@uh-ooooh]

I personally think there is a clear cut difference between being told that you're not allowed to play a video game vs. telling someone to jump into a lake and potentially kill themselves in the preservation of free speech. The government should obviously do something about these crimes, but I don't think anyone would feel threatened of their free speech of Kick made it so you cannot promote obvious self-harm or harassment.

[@fish2338]

Except for the fact that its a slippery slope. At first yeah its a good idea to ban people for things that everyone agrees is bad but over time and as the people in power change those bans become less and less agreed upon by everyone, just look at twitch for an example of this as it used to be pretty fair in its banning practices, now... well not so much. Where does the line get drawn for what gets counted as "obvious self harm or harassment"? When said rule gets instated it could be used the intended way which is good but eventually that can (and most likely will) become banning people for just saying "kys" or saying anything even slightly negative about a protected group of people (look at twitch for an example of that) Doing nothing is bad but doing something can and always will lead to an abuse of power, pick your poison its either instant or slow acting.

[@berubettonyan]

You missed the point. He is saying the livestream itself is free speech. A crime is still a crime. There is a reason only very specific crimes are illegal to possess evidence of. But in virtually all other cases it is legal to film or in this case stream crimes occurring in public and for good reason. It is stupid that they are streaming themselves committing the crime, but that is on them and if they ever find themselves in court, well they pretty much gave the evidence away for free. He also absolutely a point as well how these private corporations are overstepping their authority, and controlling people under the protection of being a "private company" despite having more people on their platform than most nations have. Its going to be a huge issue in the coming decades, so I can see why he is arguing against companies having this level of power early on.

[@lasjames7516]

Oh well I mean if that's how you feel then I guess we should all listen to you

[@ahmedifhaam7266]

@@fish2338 It's not really a slippery slope. "Oh he hit a car and is running away", "Oh, is that a crime", "Yes", then ban the content. What are you arguing here?

[@ahmedifhaam7266]

@@AmyZonkers what free speech?

[@Jesse-tz6gd]

If I went around offering children 100$ to throw rocks at someone, do I not have some responsibility for the act?

[@TechGuru666]

depends if those kids know its wrong to do so

[@Jesse-tz6gd]

@@TechGuru666 No, my responsibility is not negated depending on the knowledge of the kid.

[@TechGuru666]

@@Jesse-tz6gd its about 50 percent of the responsiblity -- if the kid knows its wrong and does it anyway -- they are responsible for it

[@Jesse-tz6gd]

@@AmyZonkers Sure, kick is just leaving the 100 dollars beneath the pile of rocks. Why do you think the majority of content is just degenerate "pranks"? Its incentivizing this behavior.

[@Jesse-tz6gd]

@@TechGuru666 You clearly didnt comprehend what I first said. Read it a few more times.

[@chipperw69]

The problem is that it gives an incentive to commit crimes so they can get more views and money. Kick should ban people committing crimes 100%

[@anthonytran8850]

Kick not banning this type of content just enables this type of behavior. You’re ignoring the idea of punishing bad behavior for the sake of stopping bad behavior the government should do something but it’s kick’s responsibility as well as they’re the medium allowing this stuff without punishment that helps enable this. Just put up guidelines and work towards being better at adhering to them is the solution rather than not adhering to any moderation. But as someone who did believe in kick I don’t think that’s gonna happen

[@Joji047]

I mean why government doesn't punish them for the crimes that they commiting. Send the evidence and the police to take action, banning them would simply lead to them being back to the internet and not be in prison like the deserve.

[@OriginalCouchPotato]

Pretty stupid to promote crime while waiting for the government to catch up

[@Cuwop2]

Did u watch the vid buddy? What is going to happen when/if kick bans them? They go to another platform WOOW

[@BuraiTributeKing]

@@Cuwop2 Do these standards have to stop at Kick? Other platforms are equally acountable.

[@joel17721]

@@BuraiTributeKing or they just send it to the police directly instead of banning which would make way more sense

[@elunegracee]

If someone commits a crime And Your first thought is “why is He not banned” instead of “why is He not arrested” Then the problem is with you my friend

[@AuroraPhoenyx]

OH HI! That's me on the Kick front page LOL :D

[@talesofreverie]

There's the birb!

[@alizerwarynd7620]

True role model for Vtubers on kick or otherwise.

[@ZerBase]

Hello Aurora :D

[@YaBoiWiggles]

Its the girl from the video!

[@talesofreverie]

Aurora Phoenyx, face of Kick's Vtuber category, is in an Asmon video. So proud of you!

[@Jhutchm4]

The Right Free Speech (in the US) has nothing to do with rich corporations and their owners, but protection from government interference. Private companies have the right to ban you from their platform for whatever they want for the most part, its on society to move on to something else if we don't like their actions.

[@SDT493]

Even though Asmon says to not ban these people. They still in fact do need to get banned off the platform. No clue why he's saying not to ban.

[@paulysmallz8095]

Self interest

[@TechGuru666]

only says you -- there should be NO moderation on the internet

[@TheMrFellaTV]

@@TechGuru666 says litherly only you

[@mikoajpietrych6168]

Why they should be banned?

[@rebelion160]

@@mikoajpietrych6168 For committing Crimes, as not to endorse and sponsor said activities.

[@Blindcontroller]

Man it’s not Kick’s responsibility to handle this. People could find the victims of these crimes and show them the footage then victims can go to the cops with evidence.

[@bamvoiden]

Let's assume that there is some random 3rd world country where a streaming platform is operating and the laws there are basically non-existent. Someone from that country could then basically go around murdering people on the streets and streaming it for financial gain and simultaneously inspire other people to do the same. Now, because there are now laws against it, the streaming platform shouldn't take any action to prevent that? At some point we have to acknowledge that not all opinions and actions are neutral or equally good/bad and that sometimes they produce objectively bad outcomes and will eventually lead to possibly catastrophic results. None of this would be a problem if every human would be a totally rational being, but we all know that's not the case and sometimes we know better and have to take a stand to ensure that we don't completely destroy everything we have achieved.

[@ebonylea5200]

Asmon needed a nap before this one

[@Azmania3000]

Nah he's fishing for a contingency

[@ferret2308]

The internet is poisoning society.

[@llvn11]

It's the opposite, look at what people do in San Francisco, literally walk into stores, loot, break shit and the security guards can't do anything

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

no it hasn't. only 10% of you using the internet 24/7 are poisoning society

[@Cptn.Smoker]

Then people should stay off the internet ? Self accountability is a must

[@bass7100]

So true.

[@bass7100]

​@llvn11 Security guards used to be able to stop looters before the internet let social media destroy their lives for doing their jobs. Same as police.

[@Keyh]

FFS, yeah "legal" doesn't mean "ok", but we "legal" is decided by "the people" not "a person"

[@momentary_]

So Asmon wants the government to tell Kick who to ban instead of Kick deciding. I hope Asmon pays a lot of taxes to help fund that.

[@mikko3]

Or just be like 4 chan and shut up

[@burrokoo]

Why does asmon's brain seem to turn off whenever he's discussing Kick?

[@xcb222]

elaborate

[@alirezazarepour3397]

no he isn't you are not old enough or mature enough to understand

[@anap1680]

​@@xcb222Asmon said something he disagrees with and it's making him angy

[@guyguy2970]

He's hoping to get a contract still lol. It's why his argumentation is so bad

[@Mini_Hayley]

Nah he’s spittin, you’re just delusional.

[@Melon-Lord]

I mean not banning people spreading CP on your platform is in fact kicks fault. Bad take asmond

[@BloodDrenched-y6i]

He never said don’t? What kinda statement is this? Asmon said let the government do it and by affect they ban stuff that’s illegal. He is saying the company shouldn’t make their own rules but follow the government rules.

[@80808O]

@@BloodDrenched-y6i you and asmon have this weird issue where you can't understand what is being said on this topic good god. and no, I don't care enough to try to explain it as you obviously have some sort of mental block and it is a waste of time

[@Hunter34882]

I disagree actually its providing a way for the government to catch them. If the government would do there job.

[@jcaique]

It's a crime. Call the police instead of reporting to a private platform. Getting a pdf file banned from a random website accomplishes nothing. Reminds me of that Roblox predator: People wasted their time trying to get him banned off of Roblox instead of calling the authorities on him. In the end he ended up predating on a minor unrelated to Roblox anyway and was arrested. What was accomplished by trying to get him banned from Roblox? Nothing. While weirdos like you were preoccupied about a freaking video game, he was being a menace irl. Seems like you people think of content moderators as an alternative to the police.

[@Hunter34882]

@@jcaique exactly

[@Akeelian]

I like how Asmons ultimate defense is “what are you doing with your life”, “get your life together” when he can’t do that himself

[@Eternal-Security]

LOL! He's a millionaire and you're malding about his lifestyle. Get a life! LOL

[@matthewf1979]

Hatewatching is a waste of time. He did him a favor.

[@JR-wf5kg]

​@@Eternal-Security I like Asmon, but let's not act like he didn't stumble into his millions. The dude can't even take care of himself.

[@wDoucheCanoe]

I don’t say it often, but this is a real bad take by Asmond lol

[@kc12394]

How is not banning people even when they stream literal criminal activity government's fault and not Kick's? Obviously they should be in jail but banning criminals on your platform is not "dictating what is and isn't free speech". It has nothing to to with free speech dude.

[@Azmania3000]

Your worship. With all due respect. That bullet fell out of the gun

[@dark_winter8238]

He is saying the government should arrest them. If they did it regularly, it would fix the problem. If kick bans them.they will go somewhere else and do the same thing.

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

@@dark_winter8238 don't explain anything. just troll these people. they're writing bs in the comment for attention anyway

[@kc12394]

@@dark_winter8238 Yea, not disagreeing on that part but these 2 things are not mutually exclusive though.

[@kc12394]

@@Dave_of_Mordor Sure buddy. Everyone writing a comment that disagrees with his take is doing it for attention.

[@homelytwo5901]

Bros trying to secure the bag from Kick 😅

[@KusanagiMotoko100]

You're not wrong, asmon probably keeping his options open.

[@kokocaptainqc]

@@KusanagiMotoko100 playing both sides for sure...twitch side by speaking about this and bringing it to attention AND kick's side in the arguments

[@TechnoMinarchist]

Does he know that a lot of people are not going to follow him over there if he went there because of stuff like this?

[@KusanagiMotoko100]

@@kokocaptainqc it's smart cause internet platforms are really volatile but disingenuous because these are not real opinions.

[@attn.]

@@TechnoMinarchist He doesn't need people following him over if kick pays upfront.

[@SpeedRunsIRL]

The main problem is that kick itself is seen as a lawless platform; only the most extreme cases are punished. I believe kick feeds of that

[@Vandassar]

I'm with Asmon on this. Where the fuck are the law enforcement? These people are literally handing a free jail sentence to them on a plate and they do nothing about it.

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

Stuff like this is what makes me think western civilization is already well into it's decline phase.

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

you think the east are doing better? they're having the same issue over there

[@muhammadhuzaifahmohamedsal2697]

@@Dave_of_Mordor no we don't. keep being delusional though. it adds to the flavour of humiliation the West is going through and its delicious 😋😋😋

[@jonjohnson9061]

Everything is

[@RetreatSequel]

​@@Dave_of_Mordor Turtle is either a foreign actor or a troll. I've seen them commenting on politics giving controversial opinions tailored to the comment section.

[@localhobo5362]

they have been saying this since middle age, how Europe is slowely rotting. Same could be said about US. For the past 100 years is been said like million time, how US is about to collapse. Nothing crucial is gonna happen. West is fine, it might be worse now than it used to be 30 years ago, but it's part of the process.

[@Gengarextreme]

I had forgotten Kick existence.

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

it's the greatest platform on earth

[@twitchypaladin8859]

I didn't know it existed, I thought ppl were talking about kik this whole time cause u can stream on there too lmao

[@ridonedo]

then you live under a rock because a lot of situations stem from kick streams

[@ightimmaheadout290]

but but what about the copium from kick viewers that it is going to be a serious contender to twitch

[@ahmedifhaam7266]

@@twitchypaladin8859 same.

[@handicrap]

This same dude was just saying last night , “anyone that says anything slightly negative is getting perma banned”, during his stream of Erdteee . This dude is a joke .

[@tyruswillier7358]

lol no way for real? thats actually hilarious hes becoming a snowflake without even realizing it. its like that one part of elden ring he got stuck on and got so salty he just started banning people.

[@handicrap]

@@tyruswillier7358 makes me sick

[@jrpgnation6375]

He does that every stream. Why are you b?

[@BlackGold-fc7tu]

He flip flops and contradicts himself constantly.

[@saahil0855]

By Asmongold's logic a person could post a video tomorrow on kick saying absolutely horrible sh*t about his family members and threatening them while live broadcasting it with millions of people and it would be absolutely fine because they are practicing "FREE SSPEECH" and kick doesn't have to be accountable for it..!!!!👏👏

[@mikoajpietrych6168]

People do that every day to him on Twitter. And probably other social media. Just not in video format probably. Death threats on the internet are pretty much a standard. So your argument is invalid.

[@saahil0855]

@@mikoajpietrych6168 My argument is not invalid because If any media supports that kinda actions then that media is also at fault for not banning or removing the post completely people get banned on twitter for such actions ever day but not on kick that was the whole point of that video...!!! KICK is not doing anything to limit these people and giving them a platform to in act all these insane stuff...!!!

[@daniellacomb917]

Thats right they could lol. And you dont have to watch it.

[@giogio9247]

Bruh arguments is "i want billionares to allow crimes in their platforms so more people knows they can still have a career online and keep doing it" Asmon is a true genius 🙏🏼😭😭😭

[@michaelh878]

You want companies to enforce laws not the police and courts?

[@griffindean8586]

You sir have a listening comprehension issue.

[@alexandregama5342]

Except when it comes to lefties making jokes about putting a bounty on someone. Then he wants the billionares to enforce rules

[@giogio9247]

@michaelh878 Don't play dumb. Non of these rich kids on Kick are going to jail either way. And that is a problem with all our justice system. But the platform is contantly allowing these behavior and other people know that they can do it and bring more views to themselves. And by that is promoting these behaviors. Is like if i allowed people in my bussines to harrass other people inside my job, and then say "oh no, if the police is doing nothing, is not my fault, i just work here" sounds stpid and out of touch. Asmon is just another millionare saying he doesn't want other billionaires saying what is or not allowed in their business

[@The.flower.club.pmc17]

dont worry you are in the right, dont Lisen to these brainwashed fans that think you cant do both

[@LtNoTaco]

A streamer promoting his “anti-streamer ban” beliefs. No matter the cost.

[@wilbing8465]

I hear a Texan who is pro 1st Amendment. Platforms have extra rights over Publishers. When platforms have rules to enforce that are not based on law then platforms don’t exist just publishers with extra legal benefits claiming to be a platform.

[@melissad8824]

@@wilbing8465 Definitely agree. Asmon is showing his real Texan side on this one. Promoting people who break the actual law should be a crime as well, because Kick is basically acting like an accessory to the crime. But of course a streamer doesn't want to be held back from saying whatever they want on their own streams, because that would require self-control before opening his mouth and just saying whatever flows through his head. I'm usually a fan of Asmon, but not on this one.

[@tek1645]

@@melissad8824 He's definitely showing his Texan side because he's hypocritical on where freedom applies. He says anyone under 18 should be banned from the internet in this video, which is incredibly idiotic but on par with a Texan.

[@Nezzy750]

Dude, committing crimes is not free speech. The part where you start committing a crime against another person you lose your “free speech”. Ppl get banned from business all the time when they commit crimes. Plain and simple, they aren’t banned bc kick enjoys the revenue and views. Just be honest.

[@joevader10]

The problem is Kick allows people to PROFIT from committing these crimes, I think that is the point you are missing.

[@mizzhap3034]

Bad take. Free speech rights only go so far as to not infringe on other’s rights and these people wouldn’t be committing crimes if they weren’t getting paid to do so.

[@bvbftw]

What if enabling people to stream crimes is a crime itself. Then the whole argument would crumble

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

streaming crimes should be protected under freedom of expression

[@TianYuanEX]

What if the government actually did something when they saw explicit video evidence of someone committing a crime?

[@seb1520]

@@Dave_of_Mordor I think there should be 2 lines of of defense when it comes to bad behavior: the soft cap and hard cap. The soft cap are general rules you follow that you may or may not break a few times down the line, but in the end if you want to keep your job as a streamer, you stick with what your job is telling you to do. The hard cap, is breaking the law. This is a clear line that gets crossed all the time on kick.

[@Azmania3000]

In my country, Australia, entrapment is a crime. Not so in the USA though. Batman, however, gives no fucks about jurisdiction. He's the hero we need.

[@alexandregama5342]

@@Dave_of_Mordor bro wants crime to be legal, check him pc.

[@RandomWrongDeletion]

Even if they aren’t streaming it on Kick, it’s still happening every day. The well is poisoned and kicks just shining a light on it, it’s a deeper issue within our culture. Kick is a symptom, not the cause.

[@Buceesfanmaarten]

Truly don't understand why parents give their kids phones, tablets and other forms of internet access. My children are not spending any time unmonitored on the internet until they're 18, simple as that.

[@ngub7351]

Kick is like the worst form of fast food that people keep eating over and over again.

[@Seeric85]

Let 'em. Freedom means taking responibility for yourself. Problem is we're shielding people to much from the consequences of their actions. No bailouts.

[@detvarvalfanda]

If you knowingly allow people to do crime in your property you are you not also responsible if you do not try to stop it?

[@locmari]

The government is responsible for enforcing the law

[@tyruswillier7358]

@@locmari lol stop being obtuse obviously the government enforces the law but i own my house and if i had a guest kidnap someone and murder them in my home while i just do nothing im not just gonna be like well its the governments fault what he was doing was against the law they should have stopped him bruh no i should have stopped him or informed the police and taken whatever action i could not just shift blame like a punk

[@nyne2022]

@@tyruswillier7358 lol stop being obtuse obviously hosting a video isn't the same as allowing a person to use your home for murder.

[@tyruswillier7358]

@@nyne2022 okay i like you now ill admit it lol and im not trying to be obtuse i was trying the whole analogy thing you guys were doing i thought it was a good comparison. its not 1 to 1 but if i owned a video streaming website and i let a guy get murdered on my site do you think im not responsible at all?

[@Dasaru]

@@nyne2022 In the video there is literally a streamer that almost killed a homeless women by drowning. Had the woman drowned, it doesn't matter what the police does because it's too late. She'd already be dead. Kick banning this behavior is a preventative measure. We shouldn't wait for bad things to happen before acting. People cry about slippery slope of innocent streamers getting banned and ignore the slippery slope of criminals popularizing streaming for views. Both slippery slopes are bad, but to get innocent people involved is where I draw the line.

[@Nemesis-1431]

People don’t want Kick banned, people want Kick to do better and stop letting their streamers committing crimes so blatantly on their platform. Ban the streamers and then turn them in to police. Show the rest of the streamers that committing crimes won’t be tolerated. I don’t know why it’s so hard for Asmond to see this. And yes, Twitch and KZbin should do the same.

[@Orville-Tootenbacher]

Just another symptom of how sick our society has become. Social media is pure poison

[@how2digitalowen]

Committing a crime is not free speech. They should 100% ban them for committing crimes.

[@TheHighborn]

No, they should be legally prosecuted. Banning them is inconsequential.

[@alexandregama5342]

@@TheHighborn how is removing their source of income inconsequential??

[@gerihuginn2143]

@@TheHighborn The 2 are not mutually exclusive . Also Kick banning them would have no consequance on what the authorities are doing. By not banning them Kick is rewarding and encouraging this type of behaviour.

[@Soldierguy97]

@@TheHighborn Imo, it should be both. It really is not inconsequential at all... it stops them from doing it again (at least posting it on that platform) and dissuades others from trying the same thing to get popular. Its literally why there is a twitch meta for certain types of female streamers, they don't want to get banned so they skirt the line just enough not to.

[@guyyates4038]

​@Soldierguy97 if it is proven in peer reviewed replicatable and replicated studies that leaving the videos up leads to more people commiting crimes then uploading the videos should be illegal, that's asmons point, if it's actually provably bad then the government should ban it, it shouldn't be up to random billionaires to decide whats ok to post online

[@helmutha5589]

I remember Asmon calling for ban of IamGundam for making fun of somebody's physique. Now private platforms should leave things alone and only government should censor?

[@jrpgnation6375]

Link or didn't happened

[@E.G.I.L.3D]

Cuz that was bullying and bullying is against tos

[@E.G.I.L.3D]

Breaking the law is the jurisdiction of the government. Breaking tos is the jurisdiction of the platform

[@mikko3]

Because by what tos says they should get banned

[@michinwaygook3684]

Why should any of this be removed from the platform? If people are committing crimes, as Asmo said, it is the job of the government to prosecute them. It is not the job of the platform to police its users or its content. I'm sick and tired of the type of censorship I experience on platforms like You Tube. Content providers have to talk in code to not be censored. I fully support a platform that allows anything, sort of like 4Chan, as this is the essence of free speech and free expression.

[@momentary_]

Platforms ban to attract advertisers. It has nothing to do with some billionaire's personal opinion. You're free to make a site that doesn't ban anything. Just don't expect to make much money.

[@michinwaygook3684]

@@momentary_ True but this is why I wish advertisers would get some balls. Most reasonable people understand that a company advertising its product on a site is not responsible for the content other people, who have no association whatsoever with that company, post on that site. I don't think less of a company because they advertise their product on a porn site, IMO only stupid people do that. By way Asmo made the comment about billionaires not me. Try to address the correct person... geesh.

[@momentary_]

@@michinwaygook3684 Fortunately for Kick, the only advertiser that matters is their parent company and Stake couldn't care less about these streamers unless it affects the traffic to their casino.

[@lucasljs1545]

@@momentary_ that's proven false. This is literally 2012 narrative. Why are you pushing confirmed false narrative for technocracts? Guns channel receive no ADs, despite having the most adult target audience and having the most AD effective targets. It is simply censure, saying otherwise is just stupidity.

[@Jordan-cd3ce]

Some moderation is good. Parts of youtube are definitely overmoderrated, but if youtube was more like /b/ I wouldn't use it any more. Imagine opening your youtube home page to be greeted by a dozen loli threads.

[@Cyrielx2]

Hey asmon i'm a dad. I agree and hold the same sentiment; Children should not be allowed on the internet unsupervised, or at all.

[@rhys5958]

Is Johnny Somali still alive and kicking?

[@CalculatorTI89]

It's a shame, right?

[@idadru]

He was getting arrested in Israel last I saw

[@lucasljs1545]

He is obviously receiving US backing to do the shit he does.

[@cymru_am_byth]

His consent argument is crazy, there are limits - Not every person has common sense/knowledge, laws often exist to protect the most vulnerable in society. In this instance she was vulnerable. You can consent to something not knowing the dangers and be exploited by someone who does.

[@mikoajpietrych6168]

Not streaming wouldn't make it any better, though.

[@cymru_am_byth]

@@mikoajpietrych6168 The whole point of why people are doing these crazy things on Kick is because they can gain an audience and earn money from doing so. Without the streaming platform they wouldn't bother in the vast majority of cases.

[@michaelmarsh1723]

It is possible, if difficult at times, to legally prove that someone cannot provide informed consent. Pleeeeeenty of SA cases get prosecutes where someone 'consented' under duress, or while not in their right mind because of drinks/drugs/etc.

[@SkellyHertz]

@@cymru_am_byth which is funny, because if people did this without being incentivized to record themselves they'd be a lot harder to charge.

[@E.G.I.L.3D]

That's the problem of the individual if he's stupid or irrational. Consent is consent. If we were to add any nuance to it legally then anyone who gave consent to something they regretted afterwards could just say they lacked common sense/knowledge.let's apply this logic that not every consent case is the same, then who decides whether the person just didn't know better or intentionally gave consent to pursue legal action afterwards saying that they were exploited?

[@ivanpabon2741]

Remember it’s not a crime unless you get caught.

[@Steponlyone]

I’ve got an idea: platforms should report users who donate / like / promote a stream where an illegal thing is committed. And they should be investigated by the state for being complicit to the crime. That should do it…

[@sharktomgaming4114]

Asmon trying so hard to stay neutral and not burn any bridges.

[@lasjames7516]

you're trying so hard to side-step saying you want private companies and billionaires controlling our speech online

[@jackfisher22]

That's why his takes are decent. He's not one sided just because that's what his platform wants

[@bradleyhahn5521]

What does free speech have to do with punishing those breaking the law? Smashing peoples phones, stealing money and putting people in danger for views isnt free speech.

[@lasjames7516]

@@bradleyhahn5521 ok so arrest them for crimes.... don't cry at Kick for hosting videos...

[@KusanagiMotoko100]

@@lasjames7516 CP is a crime, should Kick just let them upload those kind of videos cause they're not responsible?

[@AndrewH9999]

Used to follow this dude in twitch called Murda, he was a fairly small streamer who would do drag racing streams and he was really in tune with his audience. About a year and a half ago he was approached by Eddie from kick about streaming on his platform. He accepted and now murda gets 30 to 50 views a stream compared to 1000+ on twitch and all he does is stream gambling. He never gambled on twitch. Kick is ruining good people with their manipulation.

[@bobsaget3841]

In an ideal situation kick would have active moderation and would immediately ban anyone streaming illegal things. The govt would have penalties levied against kick if they were complicit in letting people stream illegal activities. Kick would be required to ban and report the illegal activity to the authorities of the state the person is streaming from, and they would only be fined if they did not take that action.

[@CorporateSycophant]

If a poster gets banned, sure, they can go to another platform. The problem is that Kick is popular. If they have to find another platform, which probably isn't nearly as popular, that cuts the poster's incentive to film this garbage.

[@sebastianfaundez6743]

NONONONONONONO IT'S A FUÇKING CRIME, DON'T COMMIT CRIMES LIVE ITS NOT SO DIFFICULT

[@tyruswillier7358]

right got me frustrated too jeez lol

[@mikoajpietrych6168]

Don't commit crimes period, streaming has nothing to do with it and Kick has no obligation to enforce the law.

[@E.G.I.L.3D]

Chill crybaby

[@herbalterrorist420]

@@mikoajpietrych6168 that depends on the “crime”. Some laws are unjustified and we are morally obligated to break them.

[@Coldkill2001]

>Kids are no longer allowed on the internet >Asmongold viewership drops by 80%

[@robosergTV]

he said on social media, making an account

[@jrpgnation6375]

Bad take. He has already shows his demographic. Is most late 20 and 30 years old.

[@Coldkill2001]

@@jrpgnation6375 Wasnt intended to be taken seriously. Also, you can lie about your age online

[@AwfulWeather5684]

I seriously don’t understand why Asmon is defending them. Not holding Kick accountable after they allowed streamers to distribute CP is an abhorrent take…

[@heylookitsbilly8407]

A few commenter's here have said something about one of the founders of kick being a buddy of his. Not sure how true it is so please take that with a grain of salt or whatever

[@clockworkphysicist]

Groups deciding morality can definitely be bad, yeah. Individuals deciding morality is OBJECTIVELY worse.

[@KeeperGER]

Hello Asmon??? Just because you're friend with Trainwreck you shouldn't defend Kick for airing something like that!!! like wtf??

[@tyruswillier7358]

thats the streamer world theyll literally defend anything their streamer friends do

[@Lonaticus]

Amourath too, who streams on Kick nowadays.

[@monirogue1570]

I don't disagree with you often, but on this one I do. I agree these people are committing crimes...and that's why the content should be removed. When someone unalives someone else on Facebook and posts it what happens? It gets taken down, typically faster than too many people can see it. Why? Cuz yes it is gruesome, but also it is a crime, and that footage doesn't disappear it gets saved and handed to authorities. Why shouldn't Kick also remove criminal content? It should. Period. And not removing it is basically advertising the behavior, as well as making it look like it's okay to act that way because there's no signs of punishment that viewers can witness, which could inspire them to...monkey see, monkey do. If the content is still being aired then it can appear that the perpetrators got away with it right? That's why it should be taken down. This isn't just a legal matter it's also a moral one. And whether Kick has a legal obligation or not we all have moral obligation whether we accept that responsibility and take it seriously or not. Kick absolutely needs to shut all the criminal activity on their site down, immediately. They also should work with federal and local enforcement to enable justice being served to the criminals uploading criminal activity on their platform. Don't just remove the content, hand it to the authorities. None of these people are actually anonymous, they can and will be found and punished.

[@TheCrimsonfluf]

It's not a free speech issue. That's 2iq. Let them post whatever video they want. But kick absolutely should not be monetizing these videos. There should be no carrot for posting shit obviously harmful to society. Let them post it, incriminate themselves. That's perfect. We had some biker blow through Colorado going 170mph and post his dashcam to youtube and colorado found the video, used it to extradite the biker to colorado and jailed him. Perfect example.

[@madara360101]

Kick is a form of media and media has an influence in people’s minds and judgement later on we’re gonna have a generation of young adults committing crimes and excuse it as a silly prank or for clout

[@Captain_Hapton]

My sister doesn't allow her kids on the internet and, wouldn't you know it, they actually act like KIDS. They have friends and play together. They're happy.

[@ArkticDark]

Morality is not subjective when you build your philosophy on first principles. Like coercion is bad and wrong, and if someone is doing something that involves coercion, then the act is morally wrong. Violence against another is wrong, self defense is acceptable. Easy, and those things aren't subjective.

[@cecilofs]

Correct! Its concerning you are the only one in the comments that said this. I'm getting annoyed at Asmon's insistence that morality is subjective.

[@maramba32]

Goodluck with this echo chamber

[@krink084]

No one is obligated to build their philosophy around first principles. Morality is a form of your own personal philosophy. It's subjective by definition.

[@anthonymerchant2597]

Definitely disagree with that, and I have seen where that doesn't always apply. If you are in an environment that has that much influence on your perceptions of what is morally right or wrong, there's a much greater chance that the individuals in it will have no real moral compass. Most of all of our beliefs come more from the environment we are in and are exposed to in our lives. There's experiments like the one under Dr Stanley Miligram that showed how we can be conditioned to break our own morals. There's fewer individuals willing to think critically when it conflicts with their beliefs. Everything is subjective when it comes to people as individuals.

[@jrpgnation6375]

Morality is subjective. Morality is an idea and not fact.

[@Fastitocalon69]

Asmon why do you disagree that you shouldn't ban people for these things but then put in a report to get the person who sent you a death threat a ban? Shouldn't the police just handle that?

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

this is a very bad take. one is life threatening to the public, while the other is harmless trolling. the cops should respond to the life threatening one

[@tyruswillier7358]

@@Dave_of_Mordor no you dont know anything he spent the whole video complaning about not wanting rich people to decide who gets banned why did he decide to report him as a rich guy to the people at twitch more rich people to get a ban but oh when its kick only the cops should handle the problem thats just an L for hypocrisy

[@mikko3]

Because twitch has rules that doesnt allow it

[@sethburleigh8967]

i have 3 kids. you know how im so sure they arent doing inappropriate things on the internet? i dont let them on the internet. they will never have a smart phone. even when they are older they will not have unmoderated access to the internet as long as they are under 18.

[@blacsun5592]

Funny how people say kick promotes degenerate behavior but they regularly platform only fans porn stars. Im pretty sure promoting pornography to minors is also a crime …

[@MrTeaIBe]

Asmond "don't drink don't gamble don't do crime" also asmond "oh well its free speech"

[@Soshikix]

Who is asmond?

[@cosmicelectron]

You can tell someone not to do something, while also recognising their right to do so

[@apopheniapareidolia]

​@@cosmicelectronsince when do I have a "right" to stream those actions?

[@cosmicelectron]

@@apopheniapareidolia Freedom of speech allows you to stream those actions.

[@okariin3834]

Freedom of speech not freedom from consequences

[@bombman1599]

honestly a pretty bad take by Asmon.... the fact that Kick isn't doing anything about these blatant crimes shows to other impressionable idiots that its ok to commit crimes on Kick to get famous, I do agree that companies should not decide morality (because the only way they are rich is because they have no morality), but continuing to allow these people to escalate real crimes is just going to encourage more stupid kids to do worse and worse crimes to get famous

[@okariin3834]

Ok, let's assume you convince Kick CEO to ban these people, then another platform appears and people go there, what then? You gonna do the same thing over again till the sun goes out? Or do you just ask the government to regulate and act on this stuff so you kill any future site?

[@alexandregama5342]

yep, that's the problem, but he glossed over the clips of crime to talk "but your okay with them banning criminals, butwhat if they ban you for saying a bad word?" like wtf, when was this about bad words.

[@Franceee___]

I get what Asmon was trying to say, but Kick must have some sorta punishment against people promoting violence, drownings and whatnot. It's not even about morals, more like they gotta take liability asw in case some victims decided to pursue them legally. Doesn't he fail to take into consideration other factors outside of morals?

[@HansWurst-gm2rx]

Well it is all about morals. Written law ist just a subset of morals, that is enforceable by a state.

[@JimmyBeamerBear]

The two guys who crashed were friends. He hit the brakes while driving fast- which his friend was doing as well- and his friend hit his rear end. They drove out of there fast because of idiots who thought it was a random by standard.