Would love to see this with MHD side by side comparison.
@celilturkmen92502 жыл бұрын
I have it on my 535i stage 2+ with catless downpipe and Upgraded intercooler. On the Dyno he have only 337 HP and 402 NM. Could be the Turbo that is not giving more boost.
@Rhinop212 жыл бұрын
@@celilturkmen9250 Or that its an n55 car and in this video its a B58. Compare apples to apples bud
@vollcare40762 жыл бұрын
@@celilturkmen9250 N56 usually has ca 50hp less than B58
@mpowering72402 жыл бұрын
I did and BM3 felt stronger everywhere on latesT OTS maps
@chrisherrera94592 жыл бұрын
BINGO!!!
@TrackandBuild2 жыл бұрын
Stage 1 introduced significant amount of turbo lag on my m240i, which is bad for track use. Stage 2 reduced the turbo lag by quite a lot with a highflow DP. Even without a big bump of peak torque/horsepower over stage 1, the smoothness is absolutely more desired on the track.
@NS416 Жыл бұрын
are u on a OTS? or piggybank?
@mpowering72402 жыл бұрын
Great results. BM3 is the most amazing tuning platform today. OTS maps are solid! But so many other reasons it just obliterates everything in its way. BM3 FTW!
@ganuv Жыл бұрын
That’s because you never had MHD , MHD is more aggressive I had both.
@billsawyer52652 жыл бұрын
Brian.. we hear all over about upgrades and increases in HP. How about and in depth video on the issues you can run into. What are some of the negatives to modding??
@Mike6042 жыл бұрын
They’ve answered this question a gazillion times already
@J2dad53892 жыл бұрын
There's none really if you do everyhing correctly. All of the OTS maps are relatively safe and run within BMW's stock internals just fine. All you have to do is cut your intervals in half or thirds for when you do maintenance oil changes severy 3.5k, spark plugs 25k, etc. thats the only negatives.
@kristoffer38172 жыл бұрын
I have a BMW 430i with the B48 engine. Stage 2 bootmod3 93 Oct with a downpipe, man it rocks!!
@NotSlicc2 жыл бұрын
same, the difference from the weak stock tune is crazy. which downpipe did you go with?
@kristoffer38172 жыл бұрын
@@NotSlicc just a cheap one from RM Motors
@aeronkellan28142 жыл бұрын
Awesome video guys. Would love to see stage 2+ next!
@squirrelpelt Жыл бұрын
For sure like to see that. Would be cool if they would show the stg 2+ ethanol options too. I'm running 340i stg 2+ E50 and it feels stout.
@nofilter20912 жыл бұрын
VERY interesting video. I have an M235i and just bought BM3 with one map that I have not picked yet. I've already installed a Wagner intercooler and a Evolution Racewerks charge pipe. I have a Fabspeed 200 cell catted downpipe on order and have been trying to decide to stick with stage 1 or go to stage 2. I like the torque curve of the stage 1 for the street and this video finally answered the question. I'm sticking with Stage 1. Thanks guys!
@jg_media92 жыл бұрын
I would still go stage 2 f22 fam 👌
@fmstarsnstraps062 жыл бұрын
You should spend the 50$ and get all the tunes
@TimWilliamsHD2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t stage 2 on my m2 and it’s a big difference over stock..got video on my channel too bud
@KINZERS13GTR2 жыл бұрын
Cool . Now .... Stage 2 + Pure turbos ots MHD OTS ... I've heard from plenty of users that the MHD ots out performs the boot mode ots. 🤔🤔
@G42Shady2 жыл бұрын
It does i went from BM3 Pure map to MHD, BM3 ranat 19PSI with full supportingmods MHD does 21.9
@mpowering72402 жыл бұрын
Some run more boost some run more timing. BM3 to me does it better from tuning perspective. On BM3 I have lower intake temps and car just runs stronger and more consistently.
@MatthewWatches Жыл бұрын
To use the stage 2 tune you really need to swap in a HPFP upgrade, the tune is the programming but you can't skimp on the hardware. If you only have the downpipe upgrade stick with stage 1, a HPFP makes a notable difference, at that point flash the stage 2 and you'll really be glad you did.
@aimxdy8680 Жыл бұрын
Stage 2 ans 2+ are different maps. Downpipe is for stage 2, Hpfp is stage 2.5 or 2+, Turbo upgrade is stage 3, tune only is stage 1.
@MuhammedAli-tx7lh Жыл бұрын
And what about just a hpfp and a tune? Do you know if there is a map in bm3 for that? I would prefer to keep my downpipe stock..
@matthewmelson2975 Жыл бұрын
@@MuhammedAli-tx7lh its not advisable to upgrade hpfp without highflow or catless downpipe because of the risk of running rich.
@codskilclanchannel64202 жыл бұрын
Finally, I’ve been waiting for this !
@veritaseverett2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a series on the 2L variant though.
@johnny21562 жыл бұрын
Would be great if you could measure 100-200km/h between the stages
@samsonchan14882 жыл бұрын
Your videos get more and more interesting. Keep it up!
@JT_Motovlog2 жыл бұрын
Now dyno runs with the g20 M340 with the gen 2 B58 please! Awesome video btw! 🙏🏼
@ryanz95132 жыл бұрын
with the addition of the new supra!!
@aeronkellan28142 жыл бұрын
I also bet the car was still learning the tunes which is why every second run had higher numbers than the first. I bet the stage 2 tune will read higher after being on the car for a week or two.
@hoonywise2 жыл бұрын
I think the MPPK map you used was the one included in the BM3 map pack correct? I think that is the old version that mimics N55 MPPK HP. The BMW factory MPP(S)K for B58 with the included exhaust makes closer to stage 1. You should retest with a real MPPSK car.
@HenkeEdge2 жыл бұрын
I have the MPPSK on my 2018 F32 440i Xdrive. The pops and bangs is awsome that it makes. Can you get the MPPSK on later cars in US? Here in Sweden (or the whole EU) some regulations have done so they dont sell it anymore.
@stingyrogerr2 жыл бұрын
My m140i championship edition has MPPSK from stock and it makes 375hp and 580Nm. It matches up to m140’s using bm3 st.1 with decats and air intakes.
@hoonywise2 жыл бұрын
@@HenkeEdge Yes, you can still get MPPSK for 16-18 cars in the US. The pops and bangs are original loud version, opposed to the EU updated version that has been toned down.
@bmwsincekid2 жыл бұрын
THATS WHAT WE WANT THANK YOU SIR!!!
@SR-di1qr Жыл бұрын
I get 375hp 400lb torque on my 2018 440i mppsk. It sounds awesome too
@TimWilliamsHD2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff Kies, was going to do this sort of video on video on my n55 but you’ve got there first, next up b58 Stage2+ please 😆
@kamiloojeda57922 жыл бұрын
You should make the vid
@mmpower_41492 жыл бұрын
This is one a this,my recomendand’’Stage 1 is insane enough for torque.’’
@lamakicker692 жыл бұрын
You should be getting much more HP from the MPPSK, also there’s an S in there because it comes with an exhaust (S-for Sound which is honestly the best sounding exhaust for these cars and has a full muffler bypass so straight piped from the downpipe back when in sport and quite like stock in comfort) unlike the MPPK on the N55. MPPSK usually is about a 35-40 whp increase. I think more runs as the car adjusts would have been better.
@vollcare40762 жыл бұрын
The sport cat already adds ca 15hp and 20Nm with the stock map
@vollcare40762 жыл бұрын
With the MPPSK package (by BMW) you also get: 1. full OEM warranty 2. this amazing MPPSK exhaust system (not available in aftermarket) 3. higher resale value
@TacoEqualsFtw2 жыл бұрын
lol
@erich13082 жыл бұрын
lol
@skylineownzful2 жыл бұрын
Don't know why the keks below are laughing, bit you are 100% right.
@spicychickenkai2 жыл бұрын
Hi Brian, would love to see a dyno run with the stage 1 HPFP or someone looking to increase more power the stage 2 HPFP Dorch. This flash would be the stage 2+. Next video please ;)
@dpohl23512 жыл бұрын
Thank you, thank you, thank you. All questions I had answered.
@WanRidzwan2 жыл бұрын
Please do n20 test. I planning to do stage 2. Now I’m running catless straight pipe.
@noeggarcia192 жыл бұрын
The video we have all be waiting for..
@davec52372 жыл бұрын
Great. Thanks for posting 👍
@mn240s142 жыл бұрын
Got the Kies wifi adaptor just before xmas and just tonight flashed to stage 1 and damn, that is no joke! Probably not the smartest thing I've done since it's January in MN...
@ViiralDzn2 жыл бұрын
interesting figures on stage 1 & 2
@davis73232 жыл бұрын
So what's the point of stage 2, if.stage 1 gives the 'same' power? In reality when tuners tell you , that u need a catless downpipe for stage 2. It's basically the catless downpipe giving the power not the stage 2 tune itself??
@icebruner2 жыл бұрын
Can You Do N55 next
@erich13082 жыл бұрын
Soooo was the stage 2 dyno'ed without the HF downpipe? Then how can "he" go by the dyno results ? Technically he didn't do a stage 2 pull.
@mueedk22 жыл бұрын
Can you do MHD as well??
@mpowering72402 жыл бұрын
BM3 > MHD
@spicychickenkai2 жыл бұрын
Great video Brian, how about also you do a flash xHP transmission to see if the torque limiter increases to support over the stage 2 93 octane bm3. I don't see a very large gain in torque. Factory version can't handle the newer flash stage 2. Would love to see please.
@njs14682 жыл бұрын
I just wanna see a f30 n20 on the dyno 😭😭
@georgesantiago96172 жыл бұрын
Any way you can do this with an n55 engine?
@vijesus2 жыл бұрын
Yeah tune it with bootmod3
@davis73232 жыл бұрын
Yep
@f36_garage712 жыл бұрын
Really surprised how little gain there is from stage 1 to 2! I got 393hp from my 440i with just mppsk, downpipe and AP intake. I'm now running BM3 stage 2, but think I will get it on a dyno to check the increase
@Steveindajeep2 жыл бұрын
You ever dyno the BM Stage 2?
@TheAfterPein2 жыл бұрын
I don't tune in very often, but has this been done for the N55 cars? I'm interested in getting a tune on my 335i, and would like to see the differences in the OTS stages on 93 octane.
@jdms1eeper2 жыл бұрын
My f30 felt the same on stage 1 as it did on stage 2 so I keep it on stage1 93 map.
@rydeordie07 Жыл бұрын
Really? I think Brian should have done a stage 1 Dyno without the DP
@Mattoronto2 жыл бұрын
You gotta do a REAL stage 1 vs stage 2 comparison where you actually change the DP and IC
@alfrede.neuman8611 Жыл бұрын
No need to fool with the intercooler. The B58's use a very efficient air to water set up...unlike the prior N54/N55 engines that used and air to air. The stock intercooler doesn't start to become and issue until around 500hp or so.
@That540iMSport Жыл бұрын
Great video
@marioescobar24182 жыл бұрын
Can you do this with the N55 please
@wingedhussar55282 жыл бұрын
Difference is night and day no question. I just recently loaded BM3 Stage 1 93 octane tune and some fresh spark plugs.. I was quite surprised how the car opened up. My question is what is the stock boost, MPPK boost, and stage 1 93 octane boost when it comes to PSI?
@brandonkalathil96945 ай бұрын
Super curious, what increase in HP did you see after uploading your 93 Oct stage 1?
@notbless2 жыл бұрын
Stage 2 is pointless without upgraded downpipe, those two together is where the REAL money is 🔥💯 great vid
@That540iMSport Жыл бұрын
A Downpipe is pointless without an upgraded turbo
@JKGarageBMW2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see this on N20/N26 cars
@MoneyShooter0072 жыл бұрын
Can you guys do this for the BMW G20 330i?
@MapleSyrup4732 жыл бұрын
Please do one for the B48 engine!!!
@xxwestcoastkillaxx3932 жыл бұрын
I have a 2017 330i F30 with the B48. I have stage 2 from DME tuning it is amazing. I get 327hp compared to 252 that comes stock. I have a cold air intake, full catback exhaust, and various other small things. Also when weather is colder the car performs much better. I get an approximate 30 hp gain when temp is 50-60 degrees
@NotSlicc2 жыл бұрын
@@xxwestcoastkillaxx393 really? my 430 pushed about the same horsepower on stage 1 bm3 with an mst intake and ftp charge pipe and about 80 more on stage 2 with vsrf catted downpipe
@1bgroach2 жыл бұрын
BM3 Stage 2 93 is a significant increase over stage 1 for me. Torque comes on faster and stays longer on my f36 AWD. Can't go wrong with any BM3.
@diegoporres26272 жыл бұрын
Nice vid, ive seen people get 425+hp on stage 2 93 map w catless dp though
@dylan-nguyen2 жыл бұрын
I would recommend getting SnagIt to record the computer screen inside of windows so we don’t get that weird glare look when recording a monitor with a camera
@FernyB584 ай бұрын
So a catless stage 2 340i is maybe right around 420whp? Give or take 5hp
@xBoomBxBliiTz2 жыл бұрын
for proper results stage 1 should be done with stock downpipes and stage 2 with decat downpipes...
@johnungvarsky88752 жыл бұрын
I agree but it’s just not practical to do because of the dyno setup time and the time to swap downpipes. Basically it would turn one day into two days, and the resulting difference would be minimal
@MrM440i9 ай бұрын
Did they use catless or highflow catted downpipe for stage 2 or is it still tested with stock downpipe?
@speedtab2152 жыл бұрын
Why don’t you guys run catless DP?
@AmericanSwagster2 жыл бұрын
Let the 340 cool down for a few hours, and re run stage 2 pls. :)
@notbless2 жыл бұрын
The upgraded downpipe, especially catless, not only adds a good amount of HP when installed but increases when tuned with stage 2. In the low 400 HP range easy. Stage 2 is pointless without upgraded downpipe
@niomiskov42192 жыл бұрын
@@notbless the only thing an upgraded downpipe will have is a decat or high flow cat and that is what they had, but they left the high flow on for stage 1 as well which is why it performed so well
@thejungatron67922 жыл бұрын
N55 please :)
@at920 Жыл бұрын
With all that math? BM3 Stage 1! Thank You,
@zipitysgarage70692 жыл бұрын
Can the stock clutch handle the Stage 1 power numbers and how does X-Drive effect what can be applied to the car? Great video!
@sharoof2 жыл бұрын
Is this an Xdrive or RWD vehicle?
@gruppegee2 жыл бұрын
Do you guys do anything with the Mini Cooper S? It does share the same motor as some BMW models, as it relates to tunes?
@rohitsproduction85569 ай бұрын
Pld do it for the b46/b48 engine aswell for the 330i pls
@tontom48222 жыл бұрын
Great content once again👍 any chance you do the same with the new update 2.2, it feels very aggressive😱
@thunderwolf80522 жыл бұрын
Great Video but you failed to take into consideration the safe parameters established by the less aggressive options. That said, I have a Dinan flash (not piggy back). How would that compare to bootmod? I own a 435i. Would I see a sufficient improvement to ditch Dinan?
@nickg27052 жыл бұрын
yes I had dinan piggyback and flash and bm3 bm3 definitely the way to go.
@That540iMSport10 ай бұрын
I lost power with a Downpipe with stage 2 put stock one back on loaded bm3 stage 1 93/E30 gained over +50hptq Catless
@mortendamgaard19772 жыл бұрын
Hi.. love your videos.. I have a BMW F11 535d. I got it tuned op from 299hk to 396hk. but short time after the head bearing got broken and i had to buy a new motor. I dont know if its because the car got tuned it broke or if it just would happen anyway.. I really want to get it tuned again but i dont know if its a good idea if it is gonna happen again. would the bearing brake anyway or is it because of the tune up? Best greatings from Denmark
@smrf732 жыл бұрын
This should also work for the m240i
@vollcare40762 жыл бұрын
And M140i ;)
@pissywilly2 жыл бұрын
I have a 2018 440i gran coupe and have decided the bootmode stage 1 but to get a similar exhaust note of the mperformance system what is the best bang for buck?
@user-cs6dy4wz6n2 жыл бұрын
MHD on N55 - please!!
@nathandavis5901 Жыл бұрын
How does stage 1 affect fuel efficiency? And can it pass an emissions test?
@Nactate2 жыл бұрын
preciate the video but i thought there would also include stage 2+
@adolfogonzalez13052 жыл бұрын
Does this work on the 2021 G20 M340xi?
@thegrimmer2 жыл бұрын
What's the deal for the first gen non-TU B58? Do the various tunes bring it up to speed with the TU or is it at a permanent handicap?
@moo48182 жыл бұрын
The 500$ tu pump minimum is required for stage 2 plus map
@ALX_Offiziell2 жыл бұрын
Please the Same Test whit the MHD.
@mpowering72402 жыл бұрын
BM3 maps are stronger and runs cooler
@codskilclanchannel64202 жыл бұрын
Is stage 2 less because you weren’t catless maybe??
@user-od3rl5mc2 жыл бұрын
When transmission tune for the hybrid variant? 330e?
@jh.f302 жыл бұрын
Swear I saw a video where Kies made a new adapter that plugs right into the obd port and uses wifi/ Bluetooth so you don't have to use an ethernet cable and will work with both Apple/Android... Now I can't find it or the adopter on there website
@zemontalvao56262 жыл бұрын
My N20 have blow the turbo. Can you make for our engine 328i?
@Snwbrdnfknrx2 жыл бұрын
Can you do this test with a 335i please?
@M3E92V82 жыл бұрын
Would be cool to compare all tuning platforms like mgflasher mhd and bootmod, i think thats the hardest part about tuning your car..
@mpowering72402 жыл бұрын
BM3 > MHD > MG, bar none
@kevinp6454 ай бұрын
Would custom tune worth it over ots ?
@KiesMotorsports4 ай бұрын
Depends on what mods you’re looking to support it with! Reach out to our guys at INFO@KIES.COM for info on what’s best for your specific application!
@RA-zk4gg8 ай бұрын
Can I install bootmod3 on my 2022 m340i? Or I need to unlock computer first?
@SilkStreets2 жыл бұрын
Can you please do this for the N20?!
@D1Calderon2 жыл бұрын
How does this compare to a JB4? Is this a lot different?
@MuhammadKhan-pr3fi2 жыл бұрын
Wonder what’s the stage 1 numbers on the m340i
@obfort4174 Жыл бұрын
is this a regular 340i or the m model?
@angVinhVu2 жыл бұрын
How about bm3 stg1 with after market downpipe?? Please help me answer. Thank you
@erich13082 жыл бұрын
That would be stage 2 for a B58. No intercooler needed.
@xxthehuskycaboosexx2 жыл бұрын
Why dont yall run catless? Doesn’t catless increase power vs catted?
@Down_Zero2 жыл бұрын
3 letters... EPA
@Steveindajeep2 жыл бұрын
Do a head-to-head with the best of BM3 vs MHD
@markburkey63712 жыл бұрын
*MHD
@eddalal58922 жыл бұрын
Will this upgrade void my warranty?
@M2-G87-R2 жыл бұрын
the 93 octane shell is good?
@bilaladi1952 жыл бұрын
can you make a bootmod for the 390 335
@carlsagan30652 жыл бұрын
Is his transmission flashed? Doesn't seem like it.
@S.I.R.O.K.2 жыл бұрын
Can you do the same thing to an M340i?
@trapgodnah90222 жыл бұрын
You should re do this with a supra, gen2 B58 has bigger turbo and slightly better cooling
@trapgodnah90222 жыл бұрын
Also a lsd
@TUGRA-k6d Жыл бұрын
What.is the crank hp difference to the wheel?
@Chris-kk6ri2 жыл бұрын
My only concern is the torque rating of the ZF8HP50 transmission. I think is rated at 500Nm or 369 lbf/ft. So do these tunes potentially risk damaging a very expensive transmission and other drivetrain components? The most BMW will give with MPPSK is 500Nm. Maybe that is for a good reason. What do you guys think?
@skylineownzful2 жыл бұрын
People are constantly driving without problems in the 600-700nm range. I'm following since years the German as well as the American b58 groups.
@alfrede.neuman8611 Жыл бұрын
I think like their horsepower figures, BMW seriously underrates the ZF transmissions torque holding capability as well.
@DJ-lc1en Жыл бұрын
What would e50 tune add?
@ian.gomez_2 жыл бұрын
Let’s see E30!!!!!
@mikeralph35782 жыл бұрын
Do this for race fuel different turbo set ups how much is the mppk 🤣🤣🤣
@Gr33nAv2 жыл бұрын
How much extra WHP/WTQ can I expect in a RWD 340i with a Stage 1 tune vs a stage 1 X-drive 340i?
@johnungvarsky88752 жыл бұрын
There are various formulas used to calculate differences to the wheels of dyno numbers for RWD and AWD. But from a practical standpoint, actually racing 1/4 mile between the two, the XDrive should have better grip and beat the RWD off the line
@2Fourtys2 жыл бұрын
im a little late but ive heard its a 15% decrease from crank for rwds and somewhere near 20% for awds so give yourself maybe 5% more whp